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Title:Welcome To The Radio Control Conference
Notice:dir's in 11, who's who in 4, sales in 6, auctions 19
Moderator:VMSSG::FRIEDRICHS
Created:Tue Jan 13 1987
Last Modified:Thu Jun 05 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1706
Total number of notes:27193

970.0. "Scooter II" by --UnknownUser-- () Wed Apr 19 1989 10:50

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970.18a Scooter II just for PhoenixROCK::MINERElectric = No more glow-glopTue Nov 15 1988 22:3123
    Hey Al: 

    FYI - I've ordered a Skooter II (by Flite Line ?) for flying in
    Phoenix at Christmas time.  I figured for $25. I couldn't go wrong
    with an (almost) prebuild plane.  I'll just build and sand the fuse,
    sheet the foam wings, then cover everything and ship it UPS to
    Phoenix.  When I get there, I'll glue on the tail feathers, install
    a radio and engine, and I'll be ready to fly at Pucker Brush
    International Airport with y'all!!

    When I leave, I'll take out the engine and radio and leave the
    Skooter II in AZ for next time!!  (whenever that is...)

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970.10SKOOTAH TOOCURIE::ANKERAnker Berg-SonneFri Mar 31 1989 17:0221
                The Scooter II pylon races at the CRRC are really picking
        up again.   Unfortunately,  there is a severe shortage of Scooter
        II kits from the  manufacturer,  so the CRRC board has decided to
        do the membership a big  favor  and  manufacture a new plane kit,
        called the SKOOTAH TOO, as long  as the shortage is acute.  These
        will be made available to the CRRC membership at cost (materials,
        beer, pizza) which will be close to $20  a  piece.  The first run
        will be 12 kits and be available in just over a week.  About 4 of
        them are still available, so those of you that are  interested in
        pylon racing have an opportunity to get into it.
        
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970.1wing construction suggestionsSA1794::TENEROWICZTWed Apr 19 1989 11:1724
    Dan, First off this is a throw away plane so don'r go overboard.
    
    I find that glueing the leading edge/training edge of before 
    sheeting is a pain. I'd go with the sheeting(epoxied on),trim
    ,block sand the edged and then install the leading/trailing edges.
    Get yourself a piece of pine board 3/4"x3"x18'. Cut a belt piece
    of sanding paper at the seam and lay it out. Glue this paper to
    the piece of pine. What your making is a big sanding block. It will
    help in getting the trimmed edges flat.
    
    What size ebgine are you guys running?
    
    If it's smaller than a .40 then I'd suggest an alternative. Get
    eight pieces of carbon fiber strip .007 x 1/4"x36". Cross laminate
    these in an "X" on the top and bottom of each foam core from leading
    edge to training edge. Then sheet the wing with only leading/trailing
    edge sheeting,centersection and cap strips. 1/16"wing tip caps,3/16"
    trailing edge and 3/8" leading edge stock. Should cut wing weight
    by 25%.Only this allows you to get the wing done using only six
    sheets of 1/16x3x36"balsa. 1/16x3x25 leading edge sheeting,1/16x1.5x25
    trailing edge sheeting. 
    
    
    Tom 
970.2good suggestion, illegal resultCURIE::ANKERAnker Berg-SonneWed Apr 19 1989 15:0721
        Re:< Note 970.1 by SA1794::TENEROWICZT >

        Tom,
        
                Your advice  is  good,  butt  will  result  in an illegal
        Scooter.  The  wing  MUST have a minimum thickness, which is foam
        plus  two  pieces of  sheeting.    We  are  running  a  one-class
        competition and the rules are  based  on  minimum  dimensions and
        weight. (Don't worry about the weight Dan)
        
        
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970.3spinner suggestionsSA1794::TENEROWICZTWed Apr 19 1989 16:4116
    Ya, measuring minimum thickness would ge a little tricky. It would
    depend on where on the wing to measured...
    
    A hint, For Q500 racers (type) frontal is of minimal importance.
    If your allowed to run a spinner get a FAI style spinner. One with
    a blunted round nose section. they actually penetrate the air better
    than pointy spinners for the speeds our planes travel. Also if the
    firewall is 2"square a 1.5-1.75" sipiiner is sufficient to direct
    the air around the fuse and not onto the firewall.
    
    
    Gee this would be a good time for John Chadd to jump in and add
    some helpful hints on designingto go fast.
    
    
    Tom
970.7Yes, use spider mount...ROCK::MINERElectric = No more glow-glopThu Apr 20 1989 21:213
    The ones I've seen usually use the spider mount.

                                - Dan M.
970.8A spider here and there....PTOMV4::MATSCHERZFri Apr 21 1989 02:428
    Dan,
      I used the spider mount on the Windy swamp boat I brought to the
    meeting. It works well and looks nice. The spider mount was the
    reason I bought the K&B engine instead of the Enya.
    
    			Steve M in the Pitts...
    
    PS I am trying to decide on the next plane project. Got any ideas?
970.11Lots of "kits" availableCURIE::ANKERAnker Berg-SonneMon Apr 24 1989 20:1017
        Re:< Note 970.0 by THOTH::SNOW >

                Last time  I  checked the CRRC had 3 "complete" kits, and
        has materials for 12 more.  I also saw that Bill's Hobby Barn has
        two K&B .20 engines  in  stock.    (Charlie - I haven't forgotten
        your second kit).
        
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970.14K&B 20 crankcase leaksPTOMV4::MATSCHERZThu Apr 27 1989 20:4211
    re .13
    
      Dan,
       When I had the Boat at the meeting, I said that with my K&B 20
    they had given me a spare o-ring that went between the mounting
    plate and the crankcase housing. Did you get a spare with your engine
    as well?
       You know, you were the one that told me to put RTV on my
    K&B 20 to ensure I didn't get any leaks!
                                                 
        		Steve M in the Pitts......
970.16Head and cylinderCURIE::ANKERAnker Berg-SonneFri Apr 28 1989 13:3615
        Re:< Note 970.13 by THOTH::SNOW >

                The red  O-ring  goes  between the head and the cylinder.
        There's a recess in the head that it fits into.
        
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970.17K&B O-ringCLOSUS::TAVARESJohn -- Stay low, keep movingFri Apr 28 1989 14:1719
Anker: on my .20 that O-ring is white.  I think the red one goes
at the back of the case when you're using the spider mount -- I
don't recall getting one with my engine.  To come to think of it
you might be right; that could be a spare head ring, since that's
been the place I've had the most trouble. 

Dan, the Sportster takes a lot longer to break in than that!
Mine needed closer to an hour, maybe more before it started
running cool.

BTW -- thanks for all that info on the engine a few weeks back.
I had previously put gasket compound on all joints -- you
remember I commented that it did not seem to stand up to the
alcohol fuel.  I put a couple of tanks through it, even extended
the engine run by filling the tank while it was running and it
behaved itself.  Took quite a while to get the idle and high
speed mixture controls right.  They're very touchy -- K&B
should've used the idle air adjustment like OS does; its a lot
better.    
970.19get a Scooter7983::WALTERThu Apr 26 1990 17:0240
Re: .198 Dave Hughes need for a new .20 size plane...

I don't know if CRRC still has the scooter kits, but if they do, buy one!

I finally flew my scooter this weekend and I couldn't have been more pleased.
I was all prepared for a real handful, what with reports of fast response,
small size (tough to see), and difficult landings, not to mention nose-overs
on takeoff. Instead, what I was confronted with was a beautiful flying airplane!
Takeoffs were straight and true (no tail wheel, just a skid), the plane went
exactly where I wanted it to go, and landings were a snap. It was a real 
pleasant change from the Kadet. However, I will attest to a tendency to nose
over, but I think that's mainly due to my landing gear placement; it needs to
be farther forward.

And as long as I'm on the subject, a comment on the K&B .20 that pulls the 
plane. It's a brand new engine, which I ran slobbering rich for one tank on
the ground. I initially had difficulties with it during breakin keeping fuel
in the inlet hose, and just keeping it running. Not to mention it leaked fuel
from virtually every possible spot. On advice from a CRRC'er, I did the 
following 3 things:

	1. I took apart the engine and used blue RTV on every metal to metal
	   joint. I also noticed that there were voids in the casting inside
	   the carb; poor workmanship.

	2. Instead of having the fuel exit the fuse out the top, I drilled holes
	   in the firewall to give a smaller distance to the carb. It also
	   seemed to stop the fuel from sucking back into the tank problem.

	3. I put a piece of fuel tubing around the needle valve screw to stop
	   airleaks.

The result: the engine ran beautifully! It only gave me one dead stick landing,
and after richening it up a few clicks, ran like a charm. I was amazed!  It's
also quite powerful; the CRRC'er felt it could be very competative for racing as
is.

I'm sold on it.

Dave
970.20make your own Scooter from templatesCURIE::ANKERAnker Berg-SonneFri Apr 27 1990 17:319
        Re:                      <<< Note 929.204 by 7983::WALTER >>>

        Dave,
        
                We don't  have  any kits, but we have some templates that
        allow you to  cut your own.  Its incredibly simple.  In addition,
        we will cut your wing cores for you!
        
        Anker