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		       Inaugural Meeting of the D.E.C.R.C.M.
	
				      4/26/88
	
	Present:
	
		Dan Snow
		Dan Miner
		Kevin Ladd
		Anker Berg-Sonne
		Ajai Thirumalai
		Jim Cavenagh
		Dave Walter
		Bill Clark
		Ralph Swick
		Kevin Carey
	
		Dan Snow led the entire meeting.
	
		The proposed  bylaws  were  reviewed  in  detail  by  the
	meeting and a few minor changes were agreed on.
	
		After reviewing the  bylaws  the meeting voted on whether
	to preceed with the  formation  of a club.  All in attended voted
	in favor of forming a  club.    The  next course of action was to
	vote on the acceptance of the  bylaws.  The vote was unanimous in
	favor of accepting the bylaws as written  with the changes agreed
	on at the meeting.
	
		The meeting then proceeded to elect a board of directors.
	Prior to the meeting 7 individuals had volunteered themselves  to
	support  the  formation of the club and to accept nomination  for
	the  first  board of directors.  One of these individuals decided
	to decline nomination and Dan Miner was nominated instead.  The 7
	were unanimously elected by the members in attendance.
	
		In  accordance with  the  bylaws  the  elected  BOD  then
	assigned the officers as follows:
	
	Dan Snow		President
	Dan Miner		Vice President
	Anker Berg-Sonne	Secretary
	Kevin Ladd		Treasurer
	Bill Clark		Editor
	Charlie Watt		Director
	Jerry Evers		Director
	
		Since there was no  old business the meeting proceeded to
	new business.
	
		Dues were set by the meeting at $10 annually.
	
		The Secretary committed to register  the  new  club  with
	Emplyee Activities, register with the AMA  and investigate how to
	register the club as a non-profit organization.
	
		Enrollment  in  the  club  will  be  by   filling  out  a
	membership  application and mailing it to the secretary  together
	with a photocopy of your AMA card, if applicable,  and a check in
	the  amount  of  $10  issued  to the DECRCM.  Cash  will  not  be
	accepted.   The  secretary's  mail internal mail address is Anker
	Berg-Sonne, UPO1-3.   Members will receive a membership card that
	clearly identifies the flying  vs.    non-flying  status  of  the
	individual.  Application forms will be made available through the
	RC notes file.
	
		The president will reserve the room for the next meeting,
	sceduled for Tuesday, May 10 at  7:30  PM  in BXB2.  He will also
	contact the Digital real estate office to initiate the search for
	a flying field.  Monthly meetings will be  the  second Tuesday of
	every  month.    
	
		The theme of  the  May  10 meeting will be show-and-tell.
	Bring whatever plane, car  or  any other RC device to the meeting
	and tell other about it.  In addition, we will show Kevin Ladd's
	videotape from the 1/8'th Airforce meet.  I have seen it and some
	of the planes and a lot of the action is spectacular.
	
	Anker Berg-Sonne, Secretary

I make a motion that we start a RC Video program with the club money.

Here's how it will work.

I volunteer to coordinate and manage the program.

The club gives me enough money to purchase some tapes - say 2 or 3.
Paid members of the club will be on my distribution list.
If you want a tape you pay an additional $1.00 after you
have seen it.  The income will be used to purchase more tapes
and as insurance in case we end up losing one.  We will use
goat mail as the distribution medium and all forwarding of tapes
acknowledgment of receipt will be thru me.  So I would send mail
to the next person and make sure that they are prepared to view the
tape and give quick turn around before it departs for them.

We could put the existing fun fly/Phenix tapes in the same category.

Anybody want to second that motion?

P.S.  I don't do meetings.

Bye          --+--
Kay R. Fisher  |
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    My Friends,
        There are a few of us out here, relics of the long gone days
    when flying was adventure, men were men, and airplanes had to fly
    all by themselves without benefit of radio control, pilots or even
    gas engines.  Though few of us survive, we have no club, no association
    or affordable affiliation.  Our models are sometimes even "stattic".
     We are unwanted by IPMS because we frequently do not model myopically
    behind plastic blinders.  When we fly, it is with rubber, CO2 or
    just thirmals for power.  Sometimes we even fly indoors.  Many of
    us build, collect and covet the kits of yesteryear with obsession....We
    can often find that long lost something the R/Cer seeks.... We offer
    something that can draw a few of the younger generation into the
  high  powered arena.... We don't make any noise and appreciate long
    grass .........
    
    ARE WE WELCOMED INTO THE DEC CLUB?
    
    Ramrod 16, over.
    z   

			    DECRCM Meeting May 5, 1988
	
				Secretary's Report
	
		12 members  and one guest were in attendance at the start
	of the meeting. 2 more members joined the meeting later.
	
	Secretary's report:
	
			The  secretary's reports as  printed  in  the  RC
		notes file was accepted.
	
	Treasurer's report:
	
			Kevin reported that he had $10 in the trasury.  I
		immediatly jumped in and reported that I had a whole pile
		of checks sitting in the pipeline.   Kevin's  report  was
		accepted.
	
	Old business:
	
			Dan spoke about the comments and suggestions that
		had been made in  the  RC  notes  file  about  DECRCM, in
		particular the charter, scope and dues.  As Dan sew it we
		had two options:  EITHER to  expand  the DECRCM to have a
		worldwide  charter  and  allow local chapters to  set  up
		local  activities    without    burdoning  the  worldwide
		membership, OR to  make  the DECRCM a strictly local club
		that would pursue strictly local activities.
	
			As a result of the discussion and the uncertainty
		AMA registration of DECRCM has been put on hold.
	
			We  are  currently  looking  at a privately owned
		field close  to  the  Stow facility as a potential flying
		site. (Don't jump up and down, this is OLD business)
	
	New business:
	
			The "Smacked A..  Award" from the last fly-in was
		awarded  to  Sam  Fuller  for  an  aborted  landing  that
		resulted in damaging his Scooter .45.
	
			Electronic  voting  will  take place as  follows:
		The  motion  will  be  forwarded  electronically  to  the
		secretary.    He  will  then  send  it  to   the  current
		membership  my  E-mail  who  can vote by replying to  the
		motion  message  and  including  FOR  or  AGAINST  in the
		message.   Voting  will  close a week after the motion is
		put forward and  the  secretary  will post the results in
		the R/C notes file.
	
			Given that a majority  of  the  membership was at
		the meeting, it was decided  that  motions could be voted
		on directly as long as a  majority  of  the members voted
		either way.
	
			The  motion  was  put forwarded, and seconded  to
		change the by-laws as agreed at the meeting.  The revised
		by-laws will be posted in the RC notes file.   The motion
		was unanimously approved.
	
			A  motion  was  put  forward  to  create  a video
		library to be administered by Kay Fisher.  The motion was
		seconded and unanimously approved.
	
			A motion was  put  forward  to  appoint  a  field
		search  committee  consisting  of   Dan  Snow  and  Anker
		Berg-Sonne.  The motion was  seconded  and  approved with
		one dissenting vote.
	
			Dan Snow then asked the members  whether there is
		any  interest  in  arranging  a  drive-in.   The  general
		sentiment was positive, so Dan will pick a  date  for the
		event.
	
	Show and tell, and video:
	
			In  the  interest  of getting these minutes out I
		didn't have  time to look through the video tape that was
		taken of the show and tell.  So forgive me for not having
		planes and names right.
	
			I showed my Great Planes Super Sportster .60 with
		a Saito .80 four stroke  engine.    The plane was resored
		just  a  few days earlier after  a  crash  caused  by  me
		plugging  the  aileron servo into the charging  jack  and
		then  taking  off.    I  have  resolved always  to  do  a
		pre-flight check of all controls.
	
			Dan Miner  showed  an  almost  completed electric
		plane.  The  plane  has  zero  dihedral and looks like it
		will  be  a  screamer   (as  much  as  electrics  can  be
		screamers).
	
			Dan Snow was next with an  almost  completed  low
		wing sports plane.
	
			Kevin  Carey   then  showed  his  half  completed
		Byron's Glassair II  with a Quadra 40 engine.  This plane
		is huge and will  be  quite  a  sight  when  he  gets  it
		finished.
	
			The last plane was a just completed  glider shown
		by  ?.    The  glider  was beautifully finished  and  had
		spoilers built in.
	
			The  rest of the evening  was  spent  viewing  my
		video  tape  with  the  two  fly-ins  and  various  other
		footage.
	
	Respectfully submitted/Anker

                Check the membership list.  If you should be a member but
        son't see yourself on the list, get in touch with me.

Walter James Cavanagh           AKOV11::CAVANAGH
David J Walter                  HPSTEK::WALTER
Daniel Miner                    RICKS::MINER
Ajai Thirumalai                 HPSRAD::AJAI
Kevin Ladd                      TALLIS::LADD
Daniel Snow                     JACKAL::SNOW
William A. Clark                GIGI::CLARK
Ralph Swick                     DECWRL::"Swick@athena.mit.edu"
Kevin Carey                     HARBOR::KEVIN
Anker Berg-Sonne                MURPHY::ANKER
Kendall Colby                   SALEM::COLBY
Leslie F. Wetherell             mts$"MRO::Leslie Wetherell"
Joel Jaffe                      GERBIL::JAFFE
Jerry Evers                     mts$"PKO::Jerry Evers"
Charles R. Watt                 LEDS::WATT
Kay R. Fisher                   TALLIS::FISHER
Scott C. Cox                    TOWNS::COX
Frank Benson                    MJOVAX::BENSON
Sam Fuller                      CRA::FULLER
Chris Daugherty                 ASD::Daugherty
Rodney I Huff Jr.               ALLPWR::HUFF
John A. Malesky                 AISVAX::JMALESKY
James Kersey                    ALLPWR::KERSEY
Douglas Richard                 ALLPWR::RICHARD
Jimi Ibbett                     SAGE::IBBETT
Tom Percuoco                    MPGS::PERCUOCO
Fred Zayas                      LEDS::ZAYAS
Mike Goody                      TARKIN::GOODY
Steve Peters                    ELWOOD::PETERS
Fran Mzzucotelli                EXPRESS::MAZZUCOTELLI
William Bruckert                HPSRAD::BRUCKERT

        
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        Re:< Note 522.187 by THOTH::SNOW >

        Dan,
        
                For the  event  to  be AMA sanctioned you have to have an
        AMA approved CD.    The  interesting  fact  is that you cannot be
        authorized without having done  it before, a bit of a chicken and
        egg situation.  I don't know who of the members are authorized or
        can easily become authorized.
        
        
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>                For the  event  to  be AMA sanctioned you have to have an
>        AMA approved CD.    The  interesting  fact  is that you cannot be
>        authorized without having done  it before, a bit of a chicken and
>        egg situation.  I don't know who of the members are authorized or
>        can easily become authorized.

Anker - you've been sleeping while reading the notes file.
Tom Tenerowicz is our authorized CD.

Bye          --+--
Kay R. Fisher  |
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    I have a question about the club's fiscal year. I've always
    intended to pay my dues and join up one of these days. But
    since it's now November, if the dues cover a calendar year
    then I want to hold off and join for 1989. If there is another
    period that the dues cover, what is it? How about a policy for
    dues from year to year, discounts for joining late in the year
    (or not), how to renew, etc.

    Thanks,
    Dave

    re: .194, .195, .181

    How about consolidating info about membership into one write-
    locked note, owned and managed by the club secretary. This should
    contain official information such as: 

    - Current Membership form
    - Current dues
    - Address of the secretary
    - current copy of the by-laws (or a pointer to them)
    - next meeting notice
    - current (official) news

    This piggy-backs on Snow-man's idea in .181 about writing an
    introduction to the notes file, and to DECRCM. Information for the
    local chapter(s) should be included either here or in a co-note.

    You see, I'm finally trying to get around to joining both the
    global and local club, but can't figure out how. And I've been
    around reading these notes since almost day 1, so I can imagine
    that a newcomer to this file would be baffled.

    I found the by-laws in note 544, a 1988 application form in 522.3
    and a revised (1988) form in 522.84. What I need is a 1989 form
    for both DECRCM and the Maynard chapter, and I don't remember what
    the dues are (I think $10 for DECRCM and $5 for the local?). Since
    everybody's dues are due by the December meeting, which is in a
    couple weeks, it's time to get crackin' for 1989! So, all you club
    officers and BOD, I've got my checkbook here (finally), a
    photocopy of my 1989 AMA card, and I don't know what to do next! 

    Dave

    Sanctioning....
    
    Eric, If we are to use another clubs facilities sanctioning allows
    and insurance issues to be handled directly with out the Host club
    being involved. If not then each of us would be operating on out
    own insurance.  There is some additional insurance coverage but
    it is minimal. In sanctioning you can taylor the evnt to who you
    want to attend. I expect that this DECRCM event would be listed
    as a "closed club event" in this way we get exposure but only DEC
    employees may attend. I see it as having advantages with no
    disadvantages.
    
    
    Tom

RE: < Note 522.197 by THOTH::SNOW >
    
>    Tom T. can you provide more info on this??
>    
>    Eric,
>    	If I remember correctly from what Tom was telling me, it has
>    something to do with increased or different insurance coverage.
>    
>    Dan

For the specific issues, see note 651.*.

Ron M.    

    Dan,
    
    Way back in .187 you asked for volunteers for the fun fly. I volunteer.
    As long as you don't assign me to Porta-Potty duty.
    
    Dave

About that documentation...

This should be a challenge for all of us who expect to fly anything scale
next summer.  We've all been saving up documentation bits and pieces for
months.

Now is the time to put it all into a folder and bring it to the meeting.
It may indeed change before the first (if any) competition but if you
do it now (this weekend) it will be so much easier to update it in the 
spring.  

Take this as a group challenge.
No excuses about Christmas shopping or travel cause you have 6 evenings.

This means you!
		Kevin - Jug
		Dan - That racing plane (forgot it's name)
		Tom - that twin engine monster.
		Al - you can attend by proxy - copy your MiG 3 stuff and
			 put it in the goat mail - we'd all like to see it.
			 Don't say it won't make it in time - do it tomorrow!
		All you cub owners!

Reading from the AMA rule book - hope I'm in the correct section.

No more than 8 pages (one sided) 8.5x11 including
proof of outline and proof of finish, color and markings.

Bye          --+--
Kay R. Fisher  |
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    Dan If he gets in touch with AMA they can supply him with a list
    of clubs in his area.
    
    Tom

>                             -< T - 6 to Doc Day >-

OK - I spend all of 15 minutes in a conference room yesterday and I have
my documentation package ready.

T - 4 days to the next DECRCM meeting.  Get those scale documentation
packages ready!

Bye          --+--
Kay R. Fisher  |
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    Just a brief note of thanks to whoever was kind enough to send the
    calendar to me! My small daughter loved it -- her only question
    was "how come there's no helicopters in it?" :-)
    
    Frankly I was stunned at the quality and realism of all the aircraft,
    even the "September" one (just kidding, Al). It has also pushed
    me further towards trying to build a good scale copter for next
    year -- current thought is an Apache complete with 4-blade head.
    Can't find a 4-blade 30/60 degree tail rotor anywhere though. Scale
    ammo for the 30mm chain gun may be tricky too...
    
    Again, thank you -- I must try hard to get to BXB2 sometime soon.
    

 ------+------
    (Z[]>=====X  Jimi.
  `--'-`---

	Tonight - don't forget.  Al - you are flying out right?

Bye          --+--
Kay R. Fisher  |
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    **********************************************************************
        	MEETING ANNOUNCEMENT!!!	 MEETING ANNOUNCEMENT!!! 
    **********************************************************************
    
    D.E.C.R.C.M. December meeting- Dec 13th, BXB2, Mystic Harbor Room.

    
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      | |      00	 Adios,      Al
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      |    Z__(O_\_	(The Desert Rat)

    I too enjoyed the meeting last night.  The turnout was great even
    with the sloppy weather.  All of the show and tell items had some
    'creative' features.  If we get all of them together at a fly-in,
    there will be some excitement.  Dave can get photos of the looks
    on our faces as the 'Panic' chases the Balistic Aeromaster straight
    up out of sight.  We could also have a straight up hand launch
    contest.  Both Anker's and Eric's planes should be capable of
    VTO with thrust to weight >>1.  Kay is making excellent progress
    on his pair of BJ's, and Dan has finally found a muffler that
    probably won't fall off his Fox.  I'm looking forward to flying
    my new Sportster and to trying some snow flying with Anker and
    any other brave souls.  See you all next month!
    
    Charlie
    

    I have updated the membership application form to include the
    Greater Maynard Chapter of DECRCM.  (The form is at the end of this
    message.)

    For those of you that may be new, I'll explain the 2 clubs:

      - "DECRCM" is the "global" club that costs $10. to join.  Benefits
        include getting an annual R/C Scale calendar and the opportunity
        to come to all the meetings.  (Actually, you can come to the
        meetings even if you're not a member.)

      - "DECRCM - Greater Maynard Chapter" is a sub-group of the DECRCM
        and costs $5. to join.  It's only purpose is to get chartered as
        an AMA club which will allow us to get a flying and driving
        field in the Maynard, MA area.  The dues for this local chapter
        are to pay for any field maintenance we may need to do if/when
        we get a field.  Absolutely NO funds from the "global" DECRCM
        club will go to help pay for anything required by the local
        chapter.


    YOU MUST BE A MEMBER OF THE DECRCM TO JOIN THE LOCAL MAYNARD CHAPTER.

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               Digital Equipment Corporation Radio Control Modelers
                                 D. E. C. R. C. M.
                         (and the Greater Maynard Chapter)
________________________________________________________________________________


		    	1989 APPLICATION FOR MEMBERSHIP
				PLEASE PRINT


	   	o Make all checks payable to D.E.C.R.C.M.
		o Bring a completed form to a club meeting or mail form 
	  	  to the Club Secretary.

	NAME___________________________AMA NO.______________D.O.B._________

	STREET_______________________________________

	TOWN__________________STATE_____ZIP________PHONE____________________

    	DTN______________E-MAIL ADDRESS_______________________BADGE#________

	INTERNAL MAIL ADDRESS_________________________


        I am applying for membership in:
                __ D.E.C.R.C.M.                                 $10.
                __ D.E.C.R.C.M. Greater Maynard Chapter         $ 5.
                                                        Total  ________
        (NOTE: You must also join D.E.C.R.C.M. if you wish
               to join the Greater Maynard Chapter.)

	Please check all that apply:
		__ I am a NEW MEMBER
		__ I hold a CURRENT AMA LICENSE (attach copy)
		__ I am interested in active club participation.

	My interests in RC include:
		__Gliders	__Power Trainers, Sport planes	__Electrics
		__Pattern	__Scale/ Semi Scale		__1/4 Scale
		__Racing	__Cars and Boats
                __Helicopters

	__ I would like to participate in __contests __fun-flys
	__ other specify____________________________________________
	__ I would help in such events.

________________________________________________________________________________

	Secretary notes:	
	Payment forwarded to Treasurer__
	Membership Card Issued_______
	Club List______________			

        Re:< Note 522.213 by LEDS::WATT >

        Charlie,
        
                What's this  "see  you  next  month" business.  How about
        next Friday, next weekend?  I plan to go out as soon and as often
        as I can.
        
                I wholeheartedly agree that  this  was  a  great meeting.
        Eric and his Panic were a blast.  I can't wait to see it.  I know
        that the Aeromaster will look like a slug next to it.
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I was also very impressed with the hardware at last nights meeting.
Makes me want to speed up my own workshop activities.

About DECRCM benefits - there is one more that Dan forgot to mention
in addition to the Calendars - The DECRCM Video club.  We presently
have 3 volumes of RC Video Magazine plus "Striking Back" plus last
night Dave Hughes donated the "How to build and fly a radio controlled
airplane" (PT40) tape and it is already out on loan.

So for your $10 you get a 6 dollar video, you can view $30 videos for
$1.00 donations, and - AND  AAANNNDDD

You can make other suggestions in this notes file of other ways that
the club can be of benefit to a world wide community.

What do we have to do to get that Desert Rat to join - raffle off a MiG?

Bye          --+--
Kay R. Fisher  |
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< Note 522.214 by ROCK::MINER "Electric = No more glow-glop" >
                  -< 1989 DECRCM Membership Application Form >-


    How about putting a copy of the form in base note 1? Pity the
    poor new (or even veteran) noter who is forced to find this
    form buried in note 522.214. Don't suggest SEARCH, or even
    DIRECTORY/TITLE, this notes file is far too big already for
    those to work effectively. It's time to leave useful pointers
    around in easy-to-find places.

    Dave (Now-That-I'm-Finally-A-Real-Member-I-Can-Complain-More) Hughes

    Boy you guys make me a little jealous. Did Jeff Friedrichs make
    it to the meeting? It'd to bad that I didn't get the Beech Twins
    plans done until monday. I have sent Jeff a copy in today Interplant
    mail. It would have been great if you guys could have looked over
    the plan and commented. You may find something missed.  I only wish
    that my own club's meeting were as good as last nights DECRCM &
    GMCDECRCM sounds. Keep up the good work.
    
    
    Tom

    Nope, I can't make tuesday night meetings since it is the night
    I am on ambulance duty...  I end up missing both DECRCM and SNHRCC
    meetings (which are both on the 2nd tuesday!)
    
    cheers,
    jeff
    

    good ideas.  i'd like to see eric demo his vacuum bag
    fiberglassing technique.  i noticed in the latest MA
    someone is advertising a "kit" to do this.
    
    whatcha think eric?
    
    kevin

    Great idea Eric!  Even with the small number of local members that
    actually can attend the meetings, we have had more good discussion
    and videos than at my other club.  All of the creative energy of
    the DEC noters is just fantastic.  Let's get a list of ideas for
    meeting entertainment together and plan ahead for the next few winter
    meetings.  We'll need a bigger room if we continue to have interesting
    meetings.
    
    Charlie
    

Since the bowling alley burnt last week, I will be attending the meeting 
tomorrow night (DEC league used to bowl on Tues. nights).

SHOW AND TELL:
		I will be bringing at least 4 car bodies showing an
		interesting application of murals developed by my cousin
		for lexan.  A couple of the bodies are still in development
		and one has been "through the mill" and will show the
		durability of the applications.

REQUEST:
		I have not renewed my membership as yet but will be looking
		for direction from the club for non-flying members.  Most of 
		the issues have been raised in the past but there is no clear
		direction as yet.  I ask that other non-flying members (or those
		considering membership) to attend so a future direction may
		be established.

Ron (grounded) M.

    Last night's DECRCM meeting was, at least for me, worth the two
    hours of driving and the ten dollars for the membership dues.  
    Charlie Watt's demo of covering was the highlight. (This beginner
    had never seen an iron touch a covering material.)

    But I did have a problem with the meeting.  Most of the attendees were
    also members of the Maynard sub-group.  The temptation to have a joint
    meeting of the umbrella group and the sub-group is probably
    irresistible, but it is unacceptable.  After a long drive to a meeting
    that I thought was a DECRCM meeting (note  522.221), I sat through an
    hour and fifteen minutes of discussion about a local flying site issue.
    I won't do it again.  I understand the importance of the discussion,
    but it is local, not global. 
    
    So I have a procedural suggestion.  The meeting started at 7,
    convenient for the local people but a bit early for some others. If
    there were a local meeting at 7 with a global meeting at 7:30, maybe we
    could more nearly satisfy everyone.  It would require discipline and
    cooperation in running the meeting.  For those rare occasions when a
    last minute matter might necessitate an intrusion into the global
    portion, an Email note to all DECRCM members should be required.
    Unannounced intrusions should be subject to a point of order veto,
    although social pressure would temper that in practice. 

    I agree with this suggestion.  We need to have both meetings the
    same night and the local members are also global members, but we
    could and should have the local meeting first.  The local meeting
    should be limited to 30 minutes from 7:00 to 7:30.  That would allow
    members not interested in the local club to show up at 7:30.  By
    the way, this was the first meeting where we spent more than 10
    minutes on local business due to the flying field discussion.
    I don't think that this will be the norm.
    
    Charlie
    

    Did anyone make a video of Charlies demonstration ????
    
    Mike
    

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                Eric Henderson  videotaped the actual covering.  Eric and
        I both taped his presentation about how to cover.
        
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    Well if either of you would consider making a copy I would love
    one since this has kept me from touching my half built cavalier.
    I would send you a blank or I could make the copy. Any way I could
    get one would be great. I would even reemberse the price of a tape,
    if that easier. I hate to be a bother, but.
    
    Thanx Mike

    I have thought for a while that perhaps we were attempting
    to be too broad by trying to cover all aspects of RC in one
    group. In my opinion, the common areas of interest between
    RC cars, planes, and boats are much smaller than the areas
    of uniqueness. I think it's reasonable for a car owner to not
    be very interested in how to Monokote a wing, or for a flyer
    to not be very interested in how to set up the front end of
    a car. Most attempts to be all things for all people wind
    up being nothing for anybody.

    DECUS comes to mind as a possible model for us. Although I'm
    not very familiar with DECUS, I know that it is a general, large
    group of DEC users, but it also has a number of SIGs (Special
    Interest Groups) for people with particular interests. Most of
    the activity is in the SIGs.

    So let me throw out a straw horse suggestion: Let DECRCM
    be a global club covering all the areas of RC modelling, but
    it should be comprised of a number of SIGs for planes, cars,
    etc. Even among planes, there are different special interests:
    Gliders, sport, pattern, electric, scale, etc. although I don't
    suggest we divide down that finely yet.

    The current "local chapter" of DECRCM is primarily a flying
    group. Well, let it be that. We should also set up a local
    chapter for cars, that can seek out sites, set up competitions,
    etc. All it takes is a few people with a common interest within
    the broad realm of RC and we can have a SIG.

    As far as meetings, we could plan the evening to have a global
    group to discuss general issues, and then break up into multiple
    SIGs to get specific (which one we have first is arbitrary). As
    with DECUS, if you're interested in more than one SIG you have to
    choose which one you'll attend that nite, or run back and forth
    between them. This would also require a couple extra meeting
    rooms, which shouldn't be hard to accomplish. Perhaps it would
    even inspire a little competition between SIGs to see who can
    attract the biggest audience for the evening's entertainment!
    Let's see, we could have an .049 pylon race in the conference
    room, and a demolition derby, and then...

    Comments?

    Dave Hughes

        Re:< Note 522.233 by LEDS::HUGHES "Dave Hughes (LEDS::HUGHES) NKS1-1/E3 291-7214" >

        Dave,
        
                What you  suggests  makes a lot of sense and is supported
        by the charter of DECRCM.  As long as the global meeting consists
        of  9 people who  fly  and  1  who  drives  cars  the  topic  for
        discussion will be planes, no doubt.
        
                I STRONGLY recommend that the  car buffs get together and
        organize, even if there are only  a few of you.  You will be able
        to  influence  the  umbrella  club and drive  your  own  meetings
        without being bothered by the "airheads".
        
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                I was  another cause of the at times painful meeting last
        night.  Being  the secretary of both DECRCMs and the president of
        CRRC creates the most extreme case of conflict of interest I have
        ever seen.
        
                As the DECRCM board member  I  am  anxious  to see DECRCM
        get the most out of the  situation.  We really need both a 7 days
        a week flying site and a site for weekend fun-flys.
        
                As the CRRC president I have to  protect the interests of
        that club.
        
                I believe the deal that Dan mentioned in an earlier  note
        will  be  acceptable  to  both the CRRC board and membership, and
        will  proceed  working  with CRRC to get it accepted.  Very early
        next week  I  will  have  a response from the CRRC board and very
        shortly after that  we (those of us that are CRRC members) should
        be able to start using  the  new site and we should have the four
        DECRCM) fun-flys scheduled.
        
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    first, great ideas on the decrcm meeting formats.  lets do local
    business first and promise to be done by 7:30 or 8.  and lets help
    the car people help themselves.
    
    second, on the stow site thingy, i propose the site be a decrcm/maynard
    flying field which is closed every weekend.  that way crrc is
    unaffected.  i know this doesnt solve the weekend fun-fly problem.
    
    kevin

    As one of the half dozen or so guys in the UK I don't expect my
    2 cents worth to influence anyone in Maynard but I think that Dave's
    suggestion re: SIG's ia a good one.
    
    Anker,
    
    I would love to have a copy of your tape on the covering demo -
    I would share this with other guys in the UK if they are interested.
    
    If it costs I'll pay - can you assist - what do you want me to do?
                                     
    All,
    
    Keep up the good work - although the impact of DECRCM over here
    is negligible (sp?) I think that even hearing thru' this notesfile
    what you are doing is helpful to all DEC modellers around the world
    
    It is also a matter of some pride to be associated, in even a remote
    way, with such a unique and highly valuable club.
    
    Finished with the soapbox now if someone else wants to say a few
    words.
    
    Happy DECRCMing in 1989.
    
    Brian
     

        Re:< Note 522.237 by HAMPS::WARWICK_B >

                Eric will edit the two tapes and produce a composite tape
        for the DECRCM library.  As long as you are a member you will get
        it, I don't know  what  the  librarian  will  do about non-DECRCM
        distribution.
        
        Anker

  OK, here are my 2 cents worth....

  As a DECRCM member and not a CRRC member I would like to see the new field
be a DECRCM field.  HOWEVER, we are suppose to be promoting the sport of RC
flying, driving, etc...  Does it really make sense to take a great flying 
location (from descriptions) and restrict its use to a handful of people?
Granted we had quite large turnouts at the some of our fun flys, but how many
people would show up on a daily basis?  I think it is much more logical to
have CRRC 'own' the field and maintain it, especially when you consider the 
close proximity to the drop zone and the need of their larger membership.
  

     Jim

    re -.1

    Even though "we" (DECRCM) found the field, we cannot use it
    because CRRC has prior domain over the airspace, since their field
    was in use first and the new field is too close to to avoid radio
    interference. 

    So, the field is not a viable site for DECRCM. In fact, if both
    fields were in use, I wouldn't fly at EITHER place no matter what
    coordination mechanisms they might have to only fly at one place
    at a time, particularly if two clubs are involved. It's just too
    risky that somebody might make a mistake and fly at the wrong
    place at the wrong time. 

    Therfore, it only makes sense to offer it to CRRC, and it is 
    reasonable to ask in return that if they decide to develop it that
    DECRCM be allowed to use it a few times a year for fun flys. 

    Beyond that, I question the need to pursue a full-time field for
    DECRCM. I certainly won't oppose it if any of you folks want to
    makethe effort. If we can get one on DEC property, such as the
    Lancaster site, that's fine. However, I for one don't think it's
    necessary to have a full-time field when all of us who would use
    it already belong to other local clubs that have fields in the
    same vicinity. What we need most is a place for occasional special
    events. In fact, I think we have a pretty good thing going by
    asking the various clubs whose membership includes DECRCM people
    to let us use their fields once a year. That way, we get to visit
    a variety of flying sites, that we might not otherwise see.

    Dave Hughes

Anker said
...
>                As the DECRCM board member  I  am  anxious  to see DECRCM
>        get the most out of the  situation.  We really need both a 7 days
>        a week flying site and a site for weekend fun-flys.

I disagree - and that is the primary reason that I have never joined the
local chapter of DECRCM.  Everybody has a local club with a decent (not
great) flying field.  I think it is in our better interests to use our
resources (more time than money) to support these local flying sites.

A gift (like a new radio to be given at the local clubs next raffle) for
sharing their site for one of our fun flys would be nice.

I would like a place where I could fly at lunch time would be nice and
if DECRCM comes up with one then I could be tempted into joining.

Anker also said
...
>                As the CRRC president I have to  protect the interests of
>        that club.

As well he should.  When Dave Hartwell and Dan Snow discovered a flying
site within 1 mile of CRRC they didn't really discover a flying site at all.

That's like discovering that it is dry under someone else's umbrella.
Eric said something like "it was discovering you like to sleep with your
neighbors wife".

Before Dave and Dan flame me - I am glad you did find the site but now that
you have found it you must graciously give it to CRRC.

Anker also said (can you tell I just did a reply from one of Anker's old notes)
...
>                I believe the deal that Dan mentioned in an earlier  note
>        will  be  acceptable  to  both the CRRC board and membership, and
>        will  proceed  working  with CRRC to get it accepted.  Very early
>        next week  I  will  have  a response from the CRRC board and very
>        shortly after that  we (those of us that are CRRC members) should
>        be able to start using  the  new site and we should have the four
>        DECRCM) fun-flys scheduled.

It is very generous of CRRC to let us DECies use the site 4 weekends a year.
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Now a slight subject change.

About the car business.  The central issue that Ron Miller brought up
as I understand it is that if he joins DECRCM and the greater Maynard
chapter for $10.00 plus $5.00 he is still required to join the AMA
for insurance ($40) in order to drive his RC car on a proposed DEC owned
site.  

There are two problems with this.

1.  Yes the AMA insures him but we all think ROAR and ORCA may both also
	offer him insurance as part of membership for a lower price.  I propose
	that ROAR and ORCA be contacted by determine if this is true.  But to
	put the burden on the proper person - Ron Miller or one of the fellow
	car buff noters will have to take this as an action item.  Ron doesn't
	have time but he in the ONLY car buff in the DECRCM membership.

2.  This only appears to be a problem if and when the local chapter gets
	a field on DEC property.  I think we should all wait till that happens
    before we worry about it.

My suggestion to Ron Miller is to keep attend DECRCM meetings when he can
and if he wants to - champion the issue BUT... DON'T pay dues.  The only
dues money spent on members behalf to date are aircraft related - that
is the initial funding of the Video Library and the Calendar purchase.

This is as it should be.  I further suggest that if Ron wants the board
should consider giving Ron a full refund for his membership fees.

Remember everyone in this notes file is a defacto member of DECRCM to some
extent - you just can't expect to share things that are composed of purchases
from the club treasury.
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New subject again.
Meetings...
I think at the next DECRCM meeting we should format some well formed motions
about the meeting times and format and vote on them.  I think we should
discuss it in the notes file but only those who attend should vote since
only they feel the pain.  Even tho the last meeting was really draggin
I left just as Charley Watt was starting to cover Dan's plane and it was
the first time I have ever gotten home much before midnight from a DECRCM
meeting.  That is ridiculous.

I think most of us could come much earlier than 7:00.  I myself get off work
at 5:00 and have to wait around 2 hours waiting for it to start.  So naturally
I'm not to enthusiastic about the idea of running the Local Chapter meeting
first.  People always thin out later in the evening.  If you must have
Roberts rules followed and two meetings I would prefer to start them after
the fun stuff is over.  Course then maybe nobody would stay - so at lease
have a fixed (small) amount of time for everything.  I can't see why you 
even need a half hour to have a Local Chapter meeting when the other night
for 1 hour and 45 minutes you said.

"We found a flying site but it is too close to CRRC"

So I would like the Local Chapter to start the meeting at 6:00 and scheduled
to end at 6:15.  DECRCM to start at 6:15 and end normal business at 6:30.
At 6:30 begin any programs (watching videos, Eric's showing how to vacuum
bag wings, etc.), then general show and tell.

The video Camera was interesting and I guess it is good since other noters
have expressed an interest in it.  But personally I think we at the meeting
could have enjoyed the show and tell better if we could have all gathered
around the speakers during the presentations.  More questions would have
been asked and more touch and feel could have occurred.
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New subject again.
Video library and non DECRCM members.

It has always been my intention not to exclude noters from the DECRCM
video club.  My official policy is as follows:

The distribution list for the videos is composed of DECRCM members.
After a video has been seen by everybody on the list then I will start
sending it out to non members.  In addition to this anytime a member has
possession of a Video I encourage him to show it to as many people as 
practical (soliciting for $1.00 donations of course).  So if you are a
DECRCM member and work in some strange out of the way place like say
Phoenix and you receive the tape - by all means try and schedule a conference
room and send mail to everyone in the plant and watch it at lunch time.
Also if you have some RC friends give them the tape as long as they
will watch it that night and return it to you the next day.  Keep it for
several days if necessary so that the maximum number of people see it in the
minimum time.  Then contact me and I will tell you who gets the tape next.

At out present rate of travel of the Video tapes I think we will get to the
bottom of the membership list in about 5 years.  For that reason I have
started randomizing the lists.  If you request a specific video then I 
move your name up the list so you will probably get it sooner.

If you were a member of DECRCM last year you will remain on the video list
as long as you are a member of DEC and have an e-net address and DEC mail stop.
This is because DECRCM funds started the video library while you were a member
so in effect you have a right to see any videos.

Now about those miscellaneous videos such as the one Eric just did at the DECRCM
meeting and some of the old ones that have been done at fun flys and Phoenix,
and etc.  They are presently only being controlled by the random notes about
them.  If they ever find there way into my hands then I will label them as 
DECRCM property and start distributing them just like the RC video Magazines.
At that time I would like Eric to take an editing pass on them so that
we could show only interesting stuff tho.  I suspect that all of those videos
could easily be combined into one.  Speaking of a video on MonoKote...
Dave Huges donated the video "How to build and fly a Radio Controlled Model
Airplane" which shows the construction of a PT40 to the video library.

It is presently out to Steve McGowan who I have been unable to reach
at mail address @BXO so if anybody knows Steve please have him send me mail
at Tallis::Fisher or call me at DTN 226-6306.  If you want your name moved
up the list for this video (I assume here you are a DECRCM member) just
send me mail.

I wish I could give you an accurate balance of our library funds right now
but my spreadsheet on it is at home on my laptop computer - it's about 60 or
70 bucks and I still am holding out to get to 99 so we can subscribe to RC
Video Magazine.

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New subject again.
If we ever get our district representative at a DECRCM meeting I have two
complaints I would like to tell him to take back to the AMA for me.

1.  This rule about the minimum radius on the nose of an aircraft.
	The AMA is being hypocritical about this.  If they want the rule
	enforced they they should tell their advertisers and not run adds
	for planes that clearly are designed with pointed noses like SIG
	sophisticated ladies.

2.  This voluntary certification of 1991 radios.  If the AMA expects their
	list to mean anything they should tell their advertisers that they
	cannot run ads advertising 1991 CERTIFIED if they have not met the
    same criteria that Airtronics did for the voluntary certification.
	Futaba is advertising 1991 CERTIFIED products in the AMA magazine which
	the AMA says the only Certified vendor is Airtronics.

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Tired of long notes - me too - you should have been at the last DECRCM meeting.

Bye          --+--
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    As long as the great majority of the DECRCM members that regularly
    attend the meetings are interested in FLYING, I would like to see
    the meetings continue to focus on FLYING.  Like Dave said, we can't
    be everything to everyone so let's continue to satisfy the majority
    and let the car interest group form their own SIG.  By the way,
    I enjoy the DECRCM meetings far more than my local club meetings
    and I won't miss one unless I'm really unable to make it.
    
    CHarlie
    

    I also agree with what Charlie said in -.1.

    However, I feel that we should start a SIG for surface folks.  This
    would mean a seperate meeting room for them so they won't have to
    watch someone cover a wing (:-) and the "fly-guys" don't have to
    watch someone change a set of tires.

    I feel the whole concept of SIGs is exactly what we need.  But, all
    of this talk is just talk unless one (or more) of you car and/or
    boat folks speak up and agree it's a good idea.  As far as I can
    remember, only the airplane guys have talked about a SIG for cars. 
    What do the surface people think?  Let's hear ya'!!

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Proposed:
		That DECRCM (global) meeting time be changed from
	7:00 P.M. to 7:30 P.M. on the Second Tuesday of each month,
	commencing with the next meeting, Feb 14th, 1989. This is 
	being proposed to allow the Greater Maynard chapter to hold
	their meetings first.

        Anker

    I'm not sure about having a restricted notes file. That's like
    having club meetings where only members are allowed in the door.
    Clearly, only members should be allowed to vote, but to exclude
    all others would not be productive, in my opinion. 

    I think we have a good thing going and we need to work to preserve
    it through this, the first of many "crises" that will occur.

    The bylaws of (global) DECRCM indicate that the purpose of the
    organization is to enjoy, promote, enhance, further, etc. the
    hobby/sport of Radio Control Modelling. That's a fine purpose.
    Let's not mess with it. 

    On the other hand, a club is composed of members, and the real
    work gets done by members who are interested enough to dedicate
    the time to it. When you're using volunteer labor, it's virtually
    impossible to get somebody to do something they're not interested
    in. It's also a universal constant that the club president gets
    socked with a lot of the work. A good club will guard against
    that, by a joint effort of the president (and other leaders) and
    membership to share the load. 

    The current state of affairs is that the membership of DECRCM is
    predominantly flyers. That's ok. It really is ok. That doesn't
    mean that the club is anti-cars or boats or anything else. What it
    does mean is that most of the activities will be flying
    activities, and that will continue until there are members who are
    very interested in the other activities. For now, the car/boat
    side of DECRCM is less active than the flying side. We should
    avoid convincing ourselves that that's bad, and avoid thinking
    that the flying arm should somehow pick up the pieces and start
    promoting cars. 

    If we allow the club to flow with the interests of the membership,
    it will survive. That doesn't mean majority dominance, either. If we
    have ONE member who is really interested in cars and promoting
    them in DECRCM and is willing to spend the time, that's what it
    takes to get the car stuff going. Either it will attract other
    car buffs, or not, but we shouldn't agonize over it, or try
    to get the flyers to get interested so the car folks won't think
    we're prejudiced. If, over a period of years, the club is always
    exclusively plane enthusiasts, then it might be worth considering
    changing the formal purpose to reflect that.

    Getting personal: My hobby is RC flying. I have a very busy life
    but I have made room in it for this one hobby. If my club wants to
    spend some effort promoting RC cars, that's ok with me, just don't
    expect me to be a major part of it, because I'm in the club as an
    adjunct to my flying hobby and I'm not interested in cars. My
    guess is that most of the other members are like that too, whether
    your hobby is planes, cars, or both, you aren't likely to get
    involved in activities outside your own interests. So, let's not
    force it. If DECRCM organizes a fun fly, I'll try to be there
    because I like flying. I may even try to find time to help out. If
    DECRCM organizes a car race, I might drop by if I have the time,
    but probably not because I have many other priorities in my life
    and don't have time for a new hobby right now. I don't feel guilty
    about that, and neither should you. 

    Dave Hughes

Since I was the primary cause for the ground Vs. Air issues, I will make
a few comments:

	- Dan Snow has clearly stated the issue as being one
	  of setting proper expectations (both for the club(s)
	  and new members.

	- As a NOVICE with cars (not yet into racing or any other
	  "Formal" RC organizations) I expected the club to have
	  a "working knowledge" in the ground area.  I believe that
	  the club also looked to me (since I had an interest in
	  cars) to provide this to the club, NOT understanding that
	  I had no knowledge of ROAR or ORCA.

Consider what the club can provide for information, guidance and assistance to
the person who joins the club that just bought an R/C plane with no previous 
background in R/C.  I expected something similar.  When I joined, I was told
that there were OTHER members in the club into cars.  This led to my 
frustrations when I was told to contact ROAR or ORCA to find out what I
needed to use the proposed DEC site (and to check a magazine or RC store
to get information on those organizations).  I am not currently in a
position to devote the necessary time STARTING FROM BELOW GROUND ZERO to
attempt to be the hub for the ground effort.

****THIS IS NOT A FLAME AT THE CLUBS, OFFICERS OR MEMBERSHIP***
ON the contrary, all persons involved in the clubs should be commended for
the continuous effort being put into the club.  

MY OPINIONS:

	- The Charter is VALID as written.

	- The clubs should determine the "level of expertise" and
	  and specific interest of new members (or those expressing an
	  interest in membership) and attempt to ensure proper expectations
	  are set.

	- I support the format of SIGs (the culbs can greatly benefit
	  with this format but do not expect or assume a novice can
	  be the driving force)

I will remain active (though unpaid) and hope to assist the clubs in
events/whatever.
I may not be in this file for some weeks, a sudden serious medical problem
has hit and I will be out of work for an undertimed amount of time (hope
to occationally get in from home, like now...surgery scheduled for next
Friday).

Hope this clarifies some of the frustrations.

Ron (really_grounded) M.

    The Board of Directors (BoD) of the DECRCM and DECRCM-GMC had a
    meeting on January 26, 1989.  After three hours of discussion, the
    BoD arrived at the following two proposals for the membership to
    discuss and vote upon:

I. Digital Equipment Corp. Radio Control Modelers (DECRCM)

    The Board of Directors propose that DECRCM become the RC Notesfile
    club.  In other words, it remains as the official interface to
    Digital Employee Activities and allows us to use DEC facilities such
    as notes and mail for club business.  It is also the umbrella to
    make it easy for any regional Special Interest Groups (SIGs) to
    organize, and the officers of DECRCM will help such efforts wherever
    possible.

    Since the only DECRCM activities currently planned that require
    money are the video library, dues will no longer be charged.  This
    means that anyone who is interested can join, regardless of where
    they live, and get their money's worth!  All activities that are
    related to flying sites, fun-fly, drive-ins, etc. revert to local
    chapters (SIGs) which do local funding and organizing.  The small
    amount of money currently left in the DECRCM treasury will be used
    as the membership votes over time.

    Meetings will be 100% electronic through notes and mail, meaning
    that geographic concerns disappear. This also means that members
    world-wide can be elected officers. The main duties of the officers
    will be to interface with DEC as required, and, if asked, to help
    local chapters organize.  

    As stated in the Digital Employee Activities document, it is
    required that all "official" Digital clubs have elected officers and
    must submit a membership list each year to Employee Activities. 
    Thus, we need to fill out a membership application and elect
    officers even though the dues are $0.00.

    The meetings that have been happening in Boxboro will continue as
    meetings of the DECRCM - Greater Maynard chapter (See proposal II
    following).  All DECRCM members and friends will still be welcome,
    but no DECRCM business will be discussed.

    This proposal was agreed to by the DECRCM Board of Directors on
    January 26, 1989.  It is presented here for discussion by the
    members.  Anker will then call for a vote by mail.  In summary:

    1. DECRCM dues be set at $0, beginning with the 1989 dues. 

    2. All 1989 dues already paid will be returned. 

    3. Requirements for membership are unchanged, except that dues are
       $0.  Any DEC employee or immediate family member of a DEC employee
       who completes the application form will become a member.
   
    4. DECRCM will have no regular "in person" meetings.  Meetings will
       take place through the notes file.  All business will also take
       place through the notes file.  
  
    5. The yearly "meeting" to elect officers will be a Notesfile thread.
       Election will be by electronic mail, and there will be no
       requirement that officers live in a specific geographical region.
   
    6. Money remaining in the treasury after 1989 dues are returned will
       continue to be available for such uses as are approved by the
       members.
   

II. DECRCM - Greater Maynard Fliers  (DECRCM-GMF)

    Second, the Board of Directors of the DECRCM - Greater Maynard
    Chapter propose that this local club change its name to "DECRCM -
    Greater Maynard Fliers".  This clearly indicates that the interest of
    this Special Interest Group (SIG) is for model aircraft only.  Those
    persons interested in non-flying R/C craft are still welcome at the
    meetings, but most (possibly ALL) topics of interest will be focused
    around flying.

    PLEASE NOTE:  We would like to make it VERY clear that we are in no
    way angry or upset at people who are not interested in aircraft nor
    are we attempting to force them out of the club.  On the contrary,
    we hope that those persons will gather together and form a SIG for
    themselves.  We will also go out of our way to assist in helping
    those persons organize their own SIG and events.  Also note that the
    primary purpose of the DECRCM (global) club is to help new SIGs get
    started.

    Anyone who previously joined DECRCM-GMC and now wishes they hadn't
    may request their $5.00 back.

    The dues for the local club will go up to $15.00 per year.  Persons
    already belonging to both clubs may request that their $10 refund
    from DECRCM be applied towards their DECRCM-GMF membership dues.  By
    default, all DECRCM members will get a refund check for $10 unless
    they explicitly tell the treasurer they want this $10 to go towards
    their DECRCM-GMF dues.

    The meetings will be held in the same location and the same dates:
    BXB2 conference room on the second Tuesday of each month.  The
    business portion will be held to a minimum (maybe 5 or 10 minutes)
    as most business will be done at the board meetings and/or through
    electronic mail.

    The remaining time of the meetings will be for all of the "fun
    stuff" such as show and tell, demonstrations, rambling, story
    telling, BS-ing and so on.

    This proposal was agreed to by the DECRCM Board of Directors on
    January 26, 1989.  It is presented here for discussion by the
    members.  Anker will then call for a vote by mail.  In summary:

    1. The name of the club be changed to "DECRCM - Greater Maynard
       Fliers".  (DECRCM-GMF)

    2. DECRCM-GMF dues be increased to $15. beginning with the 1989
       dues.

    3. As before, a person must join DECRCM to become a member of 
       DECRCM-GMF.

    4. There will be regular Board of Directors meetings on a date
       that is mutually agreeable to the members of the BoD.  All
       members are welcome to attend the BoD meetings.  The purpose
       of the BoD meetings is to conduct the club's business so that
       the general meetings need not be bogged down by business.  The
       minutes of the BoD meetings will be posted in the notes file.

    5. Where appropriate, business will be conducted by electronic mail.

                To free  up  the  ballot  for the BoD motion I closed the
        ballot on the previous vote:
        
    1. DECRCM allocate an amount not to exceed $30 for the purchase of 6 blank 
       Video cassettes for the purpose of copying and distributing DECRCM tapes 
       of their meetings, demos, and fly-ins for FY89.

                29 FOR, 1 AGAINST, 1 ABSTAIN
    
    2. Also, We have been trying for several months to get in touch with 
       Diane Wimmer about the $80 we are still holding for Marley. Ankers
       recommendation, and we (Dan and I), concur, is that we donate the
       money to Childrens Hospital, asking DEC for a matching gift. 

                29 FOR, 1 AGAINST, 1 ABSTAIN
        
                Both motions accepted.
        
        Anker

                The vote to restructure DECRCM and DECRCM-GMC is in:
        
		A:
			23 for
			1 abstain
	
			PASSED
	
		B:
			22 for
			1 against
			1 abstain
	
			PASSED
	

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    first, thanks for the compliments on the jug.  this plane we supposed
    to just be a test case, but i keep getting carried away...                                          
    
    the video of tom's p40 snapping in was an incredible piece of camera
    work; the camera was so zoomed in that you could see the up-elevator
    which caused the snap.  it was the classic mistake which EVERY flier
    has to make at least once.  i know i've badly damaged 2 planes that
    very way, an ace t34 and my now rebuilt cap21.  its this having
    been burnt twice that makes me now very cautious when flying slow,
    esp with the elevator.  its no coincidence that this flying feature
    exhibits itself most readily on a scale ship!
    
    so, welcome to scale.  initiation i figure is maybe half-paid!
    kevin

    I guess I'm in the mood to start an argument. So, here goes:

    I don't see any  need for us to proceed with a DECRCM field on DEC
    property. All of us within reasonable distance of Lancaster are
    also members of 1 or more clubs who have fields that are generally
    accessible. If we were to procure a DEC field, it wouldn't be given
    to us in pristeen flying conditions, I imagine. Even if it were
    a level, sodded, mowed lawn, we'd have to build a pit, impound rack,
    and other things, and maintain it. It takes a fair amount of work
    and time to keep a field going. I don't think we have enough people
    to do that, and the people don't have a strong enough need to be
    willing to put in the time.

    I think we've already got a fantastic deal going here: We've got members
    of DECRCM who are also members of a half-dozen or more local clubs, most
    of which are more than happy to let us use their field for occasional
    fly-ins. We could have monthly fly-ins all season and probably not have
    to use the same field more than once or twice. 

    So my question is: Why bother?

    Ok, now - sharpen those arrows... ready... aim...

    
    In Dave's defense I went over the budget for my club the PVRCC and
    ruled out all items specific to club events. In addition I ruled
    out road/parking lot work because it's my assumption that DEC would
    be doing this for you.  Our projected costs then fall into the
    $ 2,700.00 range. The big hitter is grass moving. This item alone
    is $ 1,600.00. And this is planned around "Major" movings once
    every two weeks with the club using it's mover (we own a 72" cut
    reel mover) to move runways every week.
    
    
    Other little items...
    
    Impound			$ 56.00 materials Labor donated
    Grading			$ 1,200.00 
    Grass seed			$ 900.00
    Mover			$ 250.00	GREAT DEAL
     "	Maintanance		$ 350.00 materials,Labor donated
    
    
    That brings these start up costs/maintanance to app. $ 4,400.00
    
    In reality in two years we have spent in excess of $ 9,000.00 on
    gettin the field flyable. Add in our projected budget for this year
    and the total rises to 13K + .
    
    It's not cheap starting up an RC club.
    
    
    
    
    Tom
    

RE: < Note 522.365 by SA1794::TENEROWICZT >

    Tom,

    I don't want to get dragged into a long debate (again) about a field
    that looks like we'll never have anyway.  However, I'd like to say
    that one of the best things we saw about getting a field on DEC
    property was that they (DEC) said they would pay to keep up the
    field.  We may have to do some initial manwork like clearing out
    some bushes and rolling the land, but after that, DEC would maintain
    the field.  Thus, the cost to the club would be minimal.

    (Anker, do I have the facts straight here or am I wrong?)

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        Re:< Note 522.369 by ROCK::MINER "Electric = No more glow-glop" >

        Dan,
        
                There is  no  gaurantee,  but  a strong precedent for DEC
        maitaining recreational facilities on DEC land.
        
                The latest from RISC management is that the lady will not
        get around to it  any  time  soon.    I  will  call  her  and her
        supervisor to get it rolling.    We  have  been  working  through
        corporate real estate and they have  been  extremely helpful, but
        we will start working directly with RISC now.
        
                The CRRC has been given permission to  use  the Drop Zone
        on Patriots day.  At the last board meeting they agreed to invite
        DECRCM and let us hold a fly-in for both  clubs.  I will probably
        get AMA sanctioning at level 2 to protect both clubs. So its on!
        
                As far as the May fly-in, we have been asked  to approach
        the  Orange Airport directly instead of going through Randy King.
        We are working on it.
        
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re:                   <<< Note 522.372 by THOTH::SNOW >>>

    Well, at least you have to admit that I did specifically ask for it!

    Dan, I have no objections to anybody pursuing the effort to get
    a DEC field in Lancaster or anywhere else. My intent was to reaffirm
    whether or not there was a broad base of support or desire to do it.
    You misread me if you think I'm "picking on" those who want to do it.
    I do not object to it at all, I just do not strongly support it.
    
    It's been a long time in the making, and the effort has been larger
    than anticipated. If one or a few folks want to do the legwork to get
    permission to use a DEC site, I have no objections whatsoever. I
    am a little worried that if this gets picked up again and you or
    others do a lot of work and finally succeed in getting us a field,
    that there may be so little actual interest in using it that you'd
    be very disappointed.

    I'm expressing my own opinion that I don't think there's a pressing
    need at the moment, and my further opinion is that there may not be
    many folks come around with rakes and shovels if it comes to that.
    You should understand the general sentiment of the club members, and
    take that into consideration when you decide whether or not you want
    to invest your time in this endeavor. And if you do continue with it,
    I probably will come with rake and shovel if necessary, just because
    I would want to support the club's efforts, and also because I'd
    have something solid to swing at Eric if necessary.

    And, as to Eric's comments, this note has been used as much for the
    "local" club issues, meeting notices, etc, as for "global" club issues.
    If you're just afraid of a good clean fight, then go hide. Or, maybe
    you're trying to start a new one? 

    Dave Hughes

    Well, last night was the first DECRCM meeting since I agreed to become
    secretary.  I will do my best to fill Anker's shoes in this capacity.
    Organization and note taking is not one of my strong points, however.
    
    
    
    BOD Meeting - started promptly at 6:30 with six of the BOD members
    and a couple guests present.
    
    A proposal made was made and seconded to cancel the July and August
    meetings due to 'summer recess'.  This passed with 5 yes, 1 no.
     
    Next, we had a lively discussion of what our role should be in this notes
    file.  To make a long story short, we made several proposal with the
    following results:
    
    1.  Start a new notes file for DECRCM completely controled (moderated)
    by DECRCM.  THis passed with 5 yes, 1 no.  We will use the format that
    Dan Miner has been working with Dan Snow on.  This file will be well
    organized and actively moderated to keep it organized into useful
    topics.  The moderators will move things that are in the wrong places.
    
    
    2.  A proposal was made to Write Lock this file to prevent it's further
    use.  This proposal was defeated.  THe feeling from most was that we
    should not take this upon ourselves since we do not own this file.
    
    
    End of Business at 7:00 Sharp!
    
    
    Fun and Games - Show and Tell:
    
    Kay Fisher - BJ - Lots of new detailing since last time
    
    Dan Miner - The original and the copy - Scooter Kits
    
    Steve and Neil Mcgowan - Their first plane - a very nice PT-40
    
    Ajai - His almost completed Trainer 60 - Great Job so far
    
    Dave Walter - Astro Challenger - comming along nicely
    
    Dan Snow - his 'cute' Skootah II in hot pink - has flown several times
    
    
    After Show and Tell, we viewed the video taken at the Patriot's Day
    fly-in.  What a great day that was!
    
    
    We also had a new DECRCM member present:
    
    Phil Johnson
    HPSTEK::Pjohnson
    
    
    Welcome to DECRCM, Phil
    
    
    
    Well, That's All
    
    	Charlie
    

    I will be sending in my DECRCM application today and hope to get
    active in the ColoSpgs area soon after an over 20 year absence from
    the hobby.  I think a DECRCM notesfile is a good idea, but I sure
    don't want to lose what's in the current RC file.  Thanks to Kay
    Fisher, I have his whole RC1 file and I have been extracting from
    the current file like mad.  I don't think I've ever seen a more
    extensive compendium than the current file.  Literally, hundreds
    of years of combined RC experience and all available at your finger
    tips!  Since I am back in SHR and Nickerson Rd fairly frequently,
    I hope to have the opportunity to meet many of you.
    
    Chuck   (Logo not yet invented)
    

    For the sake of the conference I have set 552.446 through 552.450 to be
    hidden.  I should have done it sooner.   Similar heat last spring did
    severe and lasting damage to the conference and some relationships; I
    don't want to see that damage repeated.  It is not a matter of who
    is right or wrong; it is a matter of conference health.
    
    Twenty years ago, [DEC VP] Larry Portner used to refer to this sort of 
    thing as a "memo war".  God help anyone who participated; Larry vehemently
    wouldn't tolerate it.  Larry believed that dissatisfactions and disputes 
    should be settled face to face, not by paper or by telephone.
    
    I shall probably be flamed for this.  Please do it via MAIL or follow
    Larry's dictum and discuss my errors in person.  I attend DECRCM meetings.

    Alton Ryder, a moderator

>   <<< Note 522.451 by ABACUS::RYDER "perpetually the bewildered beginner" >>>
>                            -< last few set hidden >-
>
>    For the sake of the conference I have set 552.446 through 552.450 to be
>    hidden.  I should have done it sooner.   Similar heat last spring did

Thanks Al - you did the right thing for everyone - especially me.

In note 522.446 I replied to Eric Henderson's note covering the last DECRCM
meeting.  While I'll be the first to admit that I don't do a very good
job of expressing myself in writing in this case it was worse than that.

I started out rambling and them turned on a couple of flames and...

I wish everybody had the ability to read tone of voice into a note
like I believe Anker does.  But even with the correct tone my note had
no real point that was worth bothering anyone with and it upset several
people.

So I would like to apologize to everyone in the notes file for my flames
and especially to the BOD and especially to Eric Henderson and Steve Smith.

Frankly I don't know what was wrong with me.  I was upset with myself
all weekend to the point where I did not feel good and had a splitting 
headache.  Sometimes I amaze myself at my stupidity.  I used to have the
same problem in High School.  I spent more time in the principal's office
and after school then you could ever imagine.

Poor Eric - he works so hard to make DECRCM and the monthly meetings work
and went out of his way to do me a favor and then has to read the kinda crap 
that I write.  Poor Steve - he sent me a mail message pointing out the error 
in my ways and I flamed him.  He did the right thing.

I ask Eric and Steve's forgiveness.  I don't deserve it but at this point
in time I don't know what else to do.

Now acting like George Bush I will attempt to make some minor points 
that are the catalyst that sent off on my tangent but this time in a kinder
gentler manner.

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>   The BOD meeting discussed the following items.
>   
>   1. Advance funding for Kay's video library so that he could buy the R/C 
>   Video Mag and the Kit reviews that they are now offering. He could then 
>   refund the DECRCM coffers as the tapes were loaned out etc.
>   
>   This was voted in.

I did not request this.  The intent here was to save money by purchasing
the kit review tapes at a quantity discount price instead of wasting
money with onesey twosey purchases.  And to get the kit review tapes
to watch at the DECRCM meetings.

Good idea and a generous offer by DECRCM.  I have three reservations
which are all minor and probably not worth mentioning except that I
already did in an inappropriate manor.
   
1.  I would like not to enter deficit spending.  Up till now the books
have been run in the black thanks to a $50 grand from DECRCM to get the
videos started.

2.  In my humble opinion during the DECRCM meeting before last (the one
that supposedly I was responsible for) the video showing was a disaster.
It's probably mostly my fault but the results were that half the group
was watching the video and half was talking thru it.  My view was that
those trying to watch were annoyed at the talkers and the talkers were
annoyed at the video.  Sooooo - I was thinking to myself that "Never
again".  Perhaps I shouldn't think that - with a strong personality
running the meeting (Eric) we probably can have a good viewing.

3.  I didn't think any of the kits reviewed looked interesting to the
general population.  But I have to admit that the last R/C Video Magazine
we watched that had the review of the Petinpole(sp) proved interesting
to me and I had no up front interest.

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>   4. THERE IS A WINTER PHOTO COMPETITION. No rules at all. Just send your 
>   pictures to me (Eric Henderson MRO4-2/G6) with a paragraph. Anything that 
>   was completed since Oct 1st 1989 qualifies.

We need more entries for this to be successful guys!
Who won the last one?

>   At the risk of self praise I felt that this was a good session, even when 
>   the lights automatically switched off on us.

They go off with magic timers - not switches.  When someone told the guard
and asked him to turn the lights back on he said he had to look up the
phone number to call to have the conference room light timer bypassed!
Talk about high tech.
   
>   We took a short break and then Dan Snow and I did the long awaited foam 
>   lecture and cutting demo. We invited people from the audience to try their 
>   hand and I enjoyed the looks on their faces when they saw how well they had 
>   done.

It was excellent - tho the fumes gave me a head ache.

I followed Al Ryder to his pickup also and got 4 foam blocks.

Charley Watt says he like to build on them!

Anyway as per Jeff Friedrich's suggestion I donated $8.00 to the Video
fund ($2.00 per block).  Seems fair to me.

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Steve Smiths Fiesta looked really interesting.  Eric said the thick airfoil
should make it slow even with the Enya .60 up front.  Hope Steve forgives
me - I sure would like to have some stick time on his Fiesta.  Between
slow flying and the checkerboard pattern on the bottom wing it looks fun.
This has an access hatch in the side to install and repair the fuel tank.  
Suggestions were given to make the hatch out of clear plastic to check the 
fuel level. Neet idea.

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    I'm gratified to see the flames delining to embers and am tempted to
    leave sleeping dogs lie.  However, that's what I did the _last_ time we
    went through one of these fiascos so I felt like I needed to lay out just
    how I feel about behavior in the notes_file.  If someone experiences a
    twinge of guilt or anxiety over these words, I'm sorry but that
    probably indicates you need to do some self-examination.  I direct this
    at no particular person(s) and I sincerely hope that all my notes_file
    friends will remain so after making this statement but, enough is too
    much!, I just have to get this off'n my chest.........
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If you'll allow me to editorialize a bit, I sense the notesfile is in trouble
again (a blind man could sense _that_).  And, again, the problem seems to be the
doing of 2-or-3 "personalities" who can't seem to measure the impact of their
writings 'til AFTER the fact.  You can't call the bullet back or apologize for 
all the damage it caused AFTER it's been fired.  

As far as I'm concerned, these poorly advised tirades AND responses to them have
ABSOLUTELY NO PLACE in this file and should be dealt with one-on-one, OFF-LINE,
regardless of the inconvenience doing so might cause any of the antagonists.

It'd be hard for a newcomer to the file to read all this squabbling (again, be-
tween an extremely small minority of the participating noters) and _not_ get a
bad impression of the file and its participants.  One would like to think that
we're all mature adults sharing a common interest but that impression certainly
doesn't come through the notes_file!  And we debate why the _national_ image of
the hobby is what it is...?  I submit that we are a microcosm of that very prob-
lem and, failing to keep our own house in order, we have NO right to criticize
the media or anyone else for our problem!  IT IS OF OUR OWN MAKING!!

This seemingly endless bickering  MUST come to a halt IMMEDIATELY or I'm bailing
out.  I kept quiet and waited for things to level out the last time around and
wondered if I should've said something...you know, the old "If you're not part 
of the solution, you're part of the problem" thing.  Well, this time, I don't
know if I can keep still or not.  2-or-3 people are ruining something I take a
lot of enjoyment participating in and it flat pisses me off!!  If these 2-or-3
peoples' egos are so delicate or their need to "be in charge" so great that they
can't behave in a civil and considerate manner in the file, then I say they have
no business dealing with mature people and should politely and QUIETLY take 
their nonsense elsewhere...I've had a belly-full of this crap and won't miss
the juvenile behavior one iota.  There, I've said it and that's the LAST
I'll say on the matter...now or later.  If the bickering continues public-
ly herein, I'm outa' here!

Adios, amigo,	Al

    You know, I also contribute to the CARBUFFS conference.  If you think
    egos are strong here, you should check out CARBUFFS (where I myself am
    often part of the problem)!  Never the less, in spite of the sometimes
    (heck, OFTEN) over-large personalities, the conference (CARBUFFS) is
    exceptionally well organized and maintained, as compared to RC
    (although, I must say, I don't really have any problem with RC the way
    it is, and short of scrapping this version and starting again, there's
    just no way it could ever be properly organized).  It's the exception,
    not the rule, when a discussion degenrates to the point of name calling.
    
    What's the difference?  Well, there's a few.  First and foremost is the
    time the moderators make for maintaining the organization of the
    conference.  New base notes that discuss or relate to an existing topic
    are moved to the already existing topic.  Discussions that get off the
    subject of the topic they're in are moved to an existing, related topic,
    if one exists.  If the digression merits a topic of it's own, the topic
    is created and the guilty notes are moved there.  If the digression is
    simply a "pissing contest" betweem two or more antagonists, the
    moderators will "lock" the note, often with a message to the effect that
    the note has been locked for some time because of the argument (so the
    few participants end up with everyone else that want's to use the note
    mad at them.  They end up feeling chastized, or at least, when I was the
    cause, I did).  Notes that are offensive, or attacks of a personal
    nature, are set so that they cannot be seen, or are deleted. Moderators
    notify the originator of the note(s) that further commentary along the
    lines of their offending notes should be discontinued.

    There's another difference, and that involves the noters themselves.
    It's not at all uncommon for a conference participant to comment that an
    argument, which he/she isn't involved in at the time, isn't appropriate. 
    There's a note designated for the purpose of offering suggestions about
    the maintanence of the conference, and there's a note called "Soapbox"
    for people to express their personal opinions on a subject, where they
    won't end up cluttering some other useful note with their rhetoric.  If
    you don't like the rhetoric, you can simply hit "Next Unseen" when you
    get to the soapbox topic. The other big difference is the way noters
    react to inflammatory replies.  Most (including me) of the noters can
    sometimes become "lost" in an argument (often referred to as a "Rat
    Hole"), but we're usually able to bring ourselves to our senses when the
    questionable nature of the discussion is brought to light by other
    contributors. There are some (not me, in this case) who unfortunately
    seem to have a chip on their shoulder all the time, and these few are
    fairly well known to the rest of the noters.  Most noters simply choose
    not to direct responses to these "nasty few", prefering to let the
    comments slide, rather than purpetuate a disagreable situation.

    I think we all need to adopt some of this "Noter's Philosophy" in this
    conference, too.  A little cool-headed maturity can go a long, long way.
    We're all supposed to be adults, after all.