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Title:The Hunting Notesfile
Notice:Registry #7, For Sale #15, Success #270
Moderator:SALEM::PAPPALARDO
Created:Wed Sep 02 1987
Last Modified:Tue Jun 03 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1561
Total number of notes:17784

118.0. "Sporting Clays" by BPOV09::JAMBERSON () Wed Jan 20 1988 18:47

    O.k. guys it's time to put up or shut up!!!  The Second Annual
    DEC Sporting Clays Tournemnet is currently in the planning stages.
    Already we have several interested parties that have shown a desire
    to demonstrate there skill with a scattergun.  The tournement will
    be held most likely at the SCAT preserve in New Ipswich.  For those
    not familiar with Sporting Clays, it doesn't matter whether or not
    your a trap or skeet champion to be able to do well.  A good
    instinctive shooter will do well.  So how about it? is anyone out
    there interested?  Sofar I'm pretty sure we can count on the following
    folks at least:
    
    Bear (Stevie Wonder) Gath
    Mike (Ray Charles) Aho
    Pat (Ole' Deadeye) Perry
    Jeff (I saw a chip) Amberson
    
    
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118.1exVELVET::GATHWed Jan 20 1988 19:0824
    Hey how about some help this year guys.
    
    Last year we had a great time and we decided to team up.
    
    The old dead eye and I saw a (too many ) chips were
    the winners.
    
    Over the years I have heard that there were some pretty good
    shots in these notes files ( here and Firearms ) but so
    far it turns out that most of these guys are paper Lions.
    
    OK I won't pass judgment just yet but this will be your last opertunity
    to redeam ( sp ) yourselves.
    
    It will be a great time and if you have never shot sporting
    clays it will be a great experience.
    
    If you need more information about sporting clays pls. read
    note 623 ( I think) in the firearms note file.
    
    Now I have shot with some of you before and I know you all
    could help me beat old dead eye & I saw ( Too many ) chips.
    
    bear
118.2LILAC::MKPROJREAGAN::ZOREWed Jan 20 1988 20:046
    Well just set the date and time and I'll see if it's ok with the
    boss (wife)!  Best time is on a weekend of course.  Saturday mornings
    the best but anytime really.  If it's Sunday morn I'll even go to
    church the night before so I can make it.
    
    Rich (a real raw beginner with a shotgun)
118.3I'm jealousBRETT::HELSELWed Jan 20 1988 22:0611
    Oh sure, Jeff,
    
    Wait till I move away to have all these fun events.
    
    I hope you have *this* get together in February so
    I can laugh when Bear tells me how y'all got frostbite
    in the 10 degree weather with the -40 wind chill factor.
    
    ;-)
    
    Brett.
118.4I like new gamesSHRBIZ::NELSONDGet out the axe handleThu Jan 21 1988 13:5010
    
    	With a little advance notice, I think I could be persuaded
    to try another one of these silly games.
    
    	Besides,,,, I'm anxious to try the Red Label........
    
    dave
    
    PS Keep us posted on a date,,,, a few of my weekends are already
       spoken for.
118.5Let's do it!DELNI::G_FISHERThu Jan 21 1988 14:1410
    I'll give it a whirl. Just give me alot of advance notice so I can
    work up a good list of excuses.
    
    Let's see...
    
    my gun keeps jammin...
    the sun was in my eyes..
    forgot to put powder in the shell...
    
    hmm....
118.6Add two to the countSHRBIZ::NELSONDGet out the axe handleFri Jan 22 1988 11:489
    
    	I've managed to convince two guys I work with that they
    really should try this, so up the count by two. 
    	Now when are we gonna have at it ??? Sunday mornings (except
    the last Sunday morning of the month) are best for me. But I'm 
    flexible. Lets do it sometime soon. Brett was right about February
    being a boring month, we need something to liven it up a bit.
    
    dave
118.7Big as the broadside of a barn, I hope...PARSEC::DAVISMon Jan 25 1988 17:1415
    So how's this whole thing work anyway???  I'm not one who's generally
    up for organizd shooting, but this sounds like it might be interesting.
    Sounds like it could be a good time.  Is this as opposed to
    "Un-Sporting Clays" or do you guys give them a "sporting" chance.
    Reminds me of the Sports writer back in the sixties (from California,
    where else?) who wrote an unfavorable article about those merciless
    people who go out every weekend and shoot hundreds of Skeets.  He
    didn't feel that was avery humane thing to do at all.  Turns out
    that he actually did think that people where shooting real birds.
    Last I knew he was on the unemployment line but had an interview
    scheduled with Ruppert Murdock.
    
    			Tom "LL" Davis
    

118.8 Sounds goodMPGS::NEALMon Jan 25 1988 17:307
    How do you get there from here......  Sounds like some fun.
    So when does this sporting clays thing take place? Depending upon
    the day, I should be able to show. I think I would like to give
    it shot ahead of time to see if I'll be to embarrased to show up
    for the real thing :-).
    
    Rich
118.9otayTSE::LEFEBVREAt St. Alfonzo's Pancake BreakfastWed Jan 27 1988 11:145
    Depending upon the day and time, I could be persuaded.  Maybe Tom
    Davis will bring his "clay white-tail deer" shaped pigeons.
    
    Mark_who_couldn't_hit_a_bull_in_the_ass_with_a_frying_pan
    
118.10Feb 13th?????BPOV09::JAMBERSONWed Jan 27 1988 12:186
    O.K I'll propose a date.  How about Feb.13?  If we can reach a 
    concensus  on a date we can reserve some time.  Why don't
    the guys who are interested reply and let us know if thats a 
    good date.
    
    Jeff (who shoots like Stevie Wonder)
118.11DELNI::G_FISHERWed Jan 27 1988 13:093
    ok for the 13th
    
    Guy
118.12Four more OK for the 13thSHRBIZ::NELSONDGet out the axe handleWed Jan 27 1988 13:244
    The four I mentioned are OK for the 13th. And most important,
    Momma says its OK  ;-)
    
    dave, roy, dave, paul
118.13MPGS::NEALWed Jan 27 1988 17:054
    I have the date marked on my calendar. I'll be there once I find
    out how to get there. That is if nothing comes up.
    
    Rich
118.14Me too.SMURF::PUSHEEThu Jan 28 1988 12:084
    The 13th looks good for me too.  I have wanted to try this for quite
    a while now.  Weather and momma permitting, I will be there.
    
    Dave Pushee
118.15A few questions...LILAC::MKPROJREAGAN::ZOREThu Jan 28 1988 12:1018
    OK with me pending approval by the BOSS.  
    
    Just a couple of questions for us novices.
    
    I've got a Remington 870 with 26" barrel and Remchoke for full,
    modified and improved cylinder.  What kind of ammo should I bring?
    (I have some #4 buckshot rounds, are these ok?) (just kidding!)
    
    Any other things I should know about before I come there, like where
    the heck is this place?  What kind of clothes should I where?  I
    picture it as being as close to hunting as you can get without actually
    needing a license.  Will we be dodging swamps and fording streams
    or is there a regular course with dry paths to each firing position?
    
    I mean like I really have no idea what I'll run into.  I need help!
    (No comments from the peanut gallery PLEASE! :-)
    
    Rich
118.16directions wantedCASV07::MCNULTYThu Jan 28 1988 12:116
    Jeff,
    
         Any chance of you posting directions of how to get there from
    the 495& rte 3 area? How many boxes of shells do I need? etc, etc.
    
                                                           Mike M
118.17BPOV09::JAMBERSONThu Jan 28 1988 13:4210
    I'm gonna call the place today and make reservations.  I'll get
    the directions when I do.  I've only been there once, so my directions
    won't be that good.  Mayby Bear or one of you other guys could post
    directions??
      As for guns to use.  I'm gonna shoot my 12ga. with improved cylinder
    and modified chokes.  For loads I use a stiff load of 8's.  Most
    shots are inside of 40yds.  Tha majority closer to 25yds.  Wear
    boots as it was kind of muddy when I went.  If anyone from the Marlboro
    or Northboro area wants to ride up with me, let me know.
    Jeff
118.18count me inGCANYN::JOLLYMOREThu Jan 28 1988 15:344
         I'll be there as long as the boss ok's it.
    
     Bill
    
118.19Room for Four from FitchburgSHRBIZ::NELSONDGet out the axe handleThu Jan 28 1988 16:0416
    
    	If anybody's interested.........
    
    	I'll be going up from Lunenburg. I have an eight passenger wagon
    	and I think four seats are taken, so I have room for 4 more. 
        If you know where the Wallace Civic Center is in Fitchburg 
    	(on the John Fitch Highway across from the Registry), 
    	it would be a good pick-up/meeting point. 
    
    	I need directions from 119 Ashby or maybe I can meet Uncle Mike
        and follow him (??)

    	If I'm not mistaken, each round is 50 targets @ $15. Or is
        there a reduced price for multiple rounds ???? 
    
    dave
118.20exBPOV09::JAMBERSONThu Jan 28 1988 16:0926
    O.k here goes, I've compiled a list of those that indicated they
    would be there on the 13th.  If I left anyone out, yell.
    
    Richard "Bear" Gath
    Mike Aho
    Rich Zore
    Dave Nelson
    Roy ?   friend of Dave N.
    Dave ?        "
    Paul ?        "
    Guy Fisher
    Dave Pushee
    Rich Neal
    Mike McNulty
    Bill Jollymore
    Jeff Amberson
    
    Tom Davis and Mark Lefebvre indicate they were interested but haven't
    responded to the date.  Are there any others who are interested
    on going shooting Feb. 13th?  I'm gonna call today, so I'll need
    a count for reservations.  Figure on two boxes of shells per round,
    plus a few extra's.  I'll get someone to post directions.
    Any questions, just ask.
    Jeff           
    
    
118.21BOMBE::BONINThu Jan 28 1988 16:567
  
         RE: 19
         
         It's $15 for your first 50-shot round and $10 for each
         additional round. 
         
         Doug
118.22Directions, or "you can't get there from here"BPOV09::JAMBERSONThu Jan 28 1988 17:4520
    We're all set.  I made reservations for aprox. 15 people to shoot.
    I told them that we would be there at 9:30.  Directions are as follows:
    
    
    Take rt.124 into New Ipswich, NH.  
    
    In center of town, take a right at the New Ipswich Market.  
    
    Aprox. 1/2 mile up rd take a left (5th rd on left, Temple Rd, theres
    a brick colonial at the road).
                                
    The SkAT club is 1/2 mile up on the right.
    
    If you get lost _call_ , the number is 603-878-1257.  They said
    there use to "finding" lost shooters 8*).
                                             
    I figure on shooting two rounds.  Bring lots of shells and your
    lucky rabbits foot.
    Jeff
      (if rabbits feet are lucky, how come they don't work for the rabbit?)
118.23wheres rte 124CASV02::MCNULTYThu Jan 28 1988 18:204
    Jeff,
    
         where the hell is rte 124 is it of 93?
                                                Mike M
118.24BPOV09::PERRYFri Jan 29 1988 17:0224
    
    Jeff this sounds like a super idea ! I'll be there on the 13th.
    
    I have some questions concerning how things will be organized .
    
    	1) will we be shooting as teams as we did last year ?
    
    	2) if so, how many people on each team ?
    
    	3) how many people will be on each squad ?
         
    	4) how close can each squad follow each other ?
    	
    I know that if it's someone's first time out, they may
    require some instruction on the course etc. which will
    involve some added time. Another consideration may be
    someone arriving at 9:30 and not shooting till 11:30.
    Maybe if squads are put together previous to the shoot,
    the later squads can arrive a little bit later. These are
    just some considerations that I thought may help our shoot
    go a little smoother.
    
    pat.
    
118.25exBPOV09::JAMBERSONFri Jan 29 1988 17:2734
    Good questions, Pat.  Im open to anything that the majority can
    agree upon.  I figure we'll have somewhere between 12 to 16 people
    shooting.  How about I propose a format and you guys decide whether
    or not you like it?  Here goes.
                                                                      
    1) will we be shooting as teams?
    
      How about everyone pick a partner?  or we can draw names from
    a hat?   If we shoot as teams it tends to make it more fun.  
    
    
    2) How many on a team?
    
        Two
    
    
    3) How many on a squad?
    
        Four, anymore and it tends to get crowded.
    
    4) How close can one squad follow another?
    
        Don't know, but I'll find out.
   
     We can also shoot for individual honors.  Remember this only for
    bragging rights.  The only mandatory rule is that everyone enjoys
    themselves and that no one takes it too seriously.
    Once we have squads set up, I'll post starting times so that those
    who are not on the first squads can take there time getting there.
    Let me know your ideas and what yo think of the proposed "rules".
    If you like the idea of picking partners, reply with who you would
    like to shoot with.
    Jeff
    
118.26BPOV09::PERRYFri Jan 29 1988 17:415
    
    I'll shoot with anyone who won't laugh !!!!!!!!!
    
    pat.
    
118.27exBPOV09::JAMBERSONMon Feb 01 1988 13:5511
    Another thought on how we should do this:
    
    How about we forget the teams and shoot as individuals?  That way
    those who are coming alone won't have to worry about finding a partner.
    Im gonna try and set up the squads so that each squad has someone
    on it who has shot the course before.  That way they can explain
    things as you go through the course.  It sounds like we can have
    a squad on each station through out the course, so things should
    move pretty quickly.  There shouldn't be alot of waiting etc...
    
    Jeff                                           
118.28ALL IN FAVORSHRBIZ::NELSONDGet out the axe handleMon Feb 01 1988 15:3710
    
    
    re: .27
        		AYE
    
    	Sounds good to me. 
    
    dave

    PS Guy, how are those excuses coming along?  Can I borrow a couple?
118.29SquadsBPOV09::JAMBERSONMon Feb 01 1988 15:5716
    O.k.  here are the proposed squads.
    
        Squad 1                   Squad 2                Squad 3
        -------                   -------                -------
    
      Richard Bear Gath          Mike Aho               Jeff Amberson
      Pat Perry                  Dave Nelson            Rich Zore 
      Bill Jollymore             Roy ?                  Dave Pushee
      Guy Fisher                 Dave ?                 Mike McNulty
                                 Paul ?
                                       
    The guys at the top of each list have shot the course at least once
    before, so hopefully will be semi-familiar with the way things run.
    If I missed anyone, let me know.
                                    
    Jeff
118.30Looking GOOD!!SHOOTR::AHOUncle MikeMon Feb 01 1988 17:0610
    
    
        Sounds good to me Jeff..... Can't WAIT!!!   I hope the weather
    cooperates!!
    
    
                Looking forward to some new aquaintences...
    
    
                                   ~Mike~
118.31A few suggestions and hints...SHOOTR::AHOUncle MikeMon Feb 08 1988 16:0936
    
    
       Here's a few "Hints" for the Shoot on Saturday:
    
           1) Shooting Glasses are STRONGLY recommended
    	   2) Hearing protections is also STRONGLY recommended
    	   3) Bring something to carry shells in (gym bag, shell bag,etc)
    		(This is in ADDITION to a vest or coat, as you will
    be walking around a course that is approx. 3/4 mile in length and
    50 + shells in a vest can be AWFUL cumbersome.)
    	   4) Since it may be Cold, bring warm enough clothes, gloves,etc.
    	   5) Guns WILL be carried open and unloaded from station to
    		station.
    	   6) Bring extra shells as you may get broken birds, etc. and
    		you will be able to shoot the "pair" or bird over again.
    		(2 "Rounds" = 100 shells). I'd bring at least 125.
    	   7) Reminder: You will be shooting "Low Gun" (as in hunting).
    	   8) The "Trap person" will explain the station you will
    		shoot at and the shooting order is "Alternating".
    
    
               Example:   
    
             Station 1			Station 2 	Station 3 ETC...
                                                                        
            Shooter A			Shooter B	Shooter C       
    	    Shooter B			Shooter C	Shooter D       
    	    Shooter C			Shooter D	Shooter A       
    	    Shooter D			Shooter A	Shooter B
    	  
    	   9) HAVE FUN and I'll be looking forward to seeing you there..
    
    
    
                                           ~Mike~       
                                                                        
118.32BPOV09::JAMBERSONWed Feb 10 1988 14:0631
    Looks like were all set for this weekend.  Hope that everyone is
    still planning on shooting.  Note 118.20 has the squads, but that
    can be changed if the need arises.  Please let me know if your on
    the list and CAN"T make it.  I want to call SKAT and give them a
    close estimate of how many of us to expect so that they can plan
    on having enough trapboys. Try to be there by 9:15. 
    
    Some things to think about and remember:
    
    ***TREAT YOUR GUN AS IF IT'S ALWAYS LOADED***
    
    Dont point it anything your not prepared to shoot.
    
    Keep the action open and unloaded at all times except when you are
    the individual shooting and are in position (on the "pad").
    
    Open your action and unload the gun BEFORE leaving the pad.
    
    Load the gun once you are on the pad, not before.
    
    Please observe all posted rules, and THINK safety at all times.
    
    Have a good time.
    
    Mike made some great suggestions in .31, it might pay for everyone
    to re-read his note.  If anyone has any questions, just ask.
    
    See you all on Saturday.
    
    Jeff                                                     
    
118.33Just a thoughtGCANYN::JOLLYMOREThu Feb 11 1988 10:2011
    
         Well it looks like there talking a foot plus of snow in SKAT
    course area. If this happens I don,t see how tony will be able to
    clear all his trails, traps and shooting stations by early saturday,
    the storm may not stop till then.
    
        We may want to set up some sort of alternate date or time. A
    lot of us may be pretty tied up digging out on saturday morning
    if this storm turns out as big as they say it will be.
    
    Bill
118.34snowBPOV09::JAMBERSONThu Feb 11 1988 11:388
    Re: snow
      I think mayby we should wait till tommorow and see what the
    latest and greatest forcast is.  I've heard everything from 
    1+ feet of snow --to-- all rain.  If it looks like the snow 
    will end by late Friday night we should be all set.  
                    
    Any ideas out there?
    Jeff
118.35Snow?DECWET::HELSELThu Feb 11 1988 15:178
    I almost felt like I was missing something there for a minute.
    
    I've discovered that I can live without snow quite nicely.  Y'all
    are welcome to come out here and shoot.  
    
    ;-)
    
    Brett.
118.36Think SNOW!!!LILAC::MKPROJREAGAN::ZOREThu Feb 11 1988 19:515
    I don't know about the rest of you but I'm planning on tossing the
    snow shoes into the trunk Friday night.  This just might turn into
    a real Nannook of the North adventure. :-)
    
    Rich
118.37BPOV09::JAMBERSONFri Feb 12 1988 11:015
    Good idea, Rich.
      Mayby we could "pool" all our dogs and get enough tied together to
    pull a sled.  i'll donate two Labs to the effort.
    
    Jeff
118.38Pulling PowerSHRBIZ::NELSONDThe Axe Handle WORKED, now its more like funFri Feb 12 1988 13:469
    
    	I know what you mean.... Sitting here looking out at the 
    snow coming down (we've got about 8 inches already in Lunenburg)
    'alternate modes of transportation' may be in order :-)
    	I've got a 75 lb 'shorthair' to contribute to the team. Ask
    Pat and Guy about his "pulling power" :-) :-). All we have to do
    is release a couple of birds in the direction we wanta go...
    
    dave
118.39SKIVT::RIVERSDOops, pocket fuzz!Fri Feb 12 1988 15:3711
    I would send my 120 lb. Chessie down to you folks but I may need
    him to pull my truck out of a snowdrift this weekend.
    
    Seriously though, if this get together works out, I would like
    to wish you all good luck.  If I was living a little closer I'd
    probably attend.  I shoot sporting clay on a regular basis and
    it is GREAT fun.
    
    Have a blast (pun intended).
    
    :*)
118.40Good TimeBPOV09::JAMBERSONTue Feb 16 1988 15:4929
    Well, eleven brave souls managed to make it uo to New Ipswich to
    shoot on Saturday.  The conditions were less then ideal (cold and
    the wind was blowing).  We got a bit of a late start, waiting for
    folks to arrive and Tony to plow out the traps.  For those who are
    interested, I posted the scores below.
    
    Name              wobble score      sporting clays score      total
                     (possible 25)          (possible 50)     (possible 75)
                     
    
    Mike A.             19                      23                 42
    Bill J.             10                      27                 37
    Jeff A.             17                      28                 45
    Dave N.              8                       9                 17
    Bear                14                      26                 40
    Alan W.             16                      10                 26
    Roy                  4                       4                 8
    Guy F.              13                      23                 36
    Paul                9                       12                 21
    Dave R.             16                      17                 33
    Dave P.             12                      13                 25
    
    In talking with Tony (the owner), he stated that anyone who shoots
    better then 30% for there first attempt at this should be proud.
     The average score is somewhere arround 20-25%.  Just want to thank
    all those that braved the weather to show up and hope that all had
    a good time.  Anyone ready for a _SPRING_ shoot???
    Jeff
                                                                       
118.41This is a really sad tale...LILAC::MKPROJREAGAN::ZOREWed Feb 17 1988 12:0518
    Well I got the car loaded Friday night during the storm.  Woke up
    Saturday to 15" of frozen snow (it had been 17" on Friday night
    but we had some rain at the very end I guess and it was knocked
    down to 15").  I dug the car out, made sure there was plenty of
    wood in the kitchen for the wife and kids, jumped into the car and
    took off down the drive.  I was scrapping the underside of the car
    all the way down the drive (my drive is a 10th of a mile long) and
    was just about to make it to the straightaway when I spied the 4'
    ridge of snow plowed up by my neighbor at (what turned out to be)
    3AM that morning.  He had started to plow the drive when he came
    home from plowing other places and only made it about 15 yards into
    the drive.  The rain soaked snow stopped him cold and he could go
    no further.  I was faced with a roadblock of solid snow and ice
    4' high.  I contemplated digging it out but that would have taken
    hours.  So I sadly trudged up the hill, shotgun in hand to face
    the list of chores my wife had in hand. :-(
                   
    Rich
118.42No all I gotta do is apply it to partridge!CHRLIE::HUSTONFri Dec 21 1990 19:0538
    
    Well, I finally tried Sporting Clays.  Went to SCaT with a friend 
    who is in town from Alabama.
    
    Anyway, this is a tought sport. Lots tougher than trap/skeet. Tony,
    the owner is great.
    
    We went to the first station, I got 2 out of 6, my friend none. He is
    a skeet shooter (averages about 20/25).  Tony made us an offer we
    could not refuse. We pay for shells/targets and he will give us a 
    free lesson.  Then we can return to the sporting clays.
    
    Tony found several problems with my shooting, everything from gun
    mount to both eyes open.  After spending about 1+ hours on the 
    skeet range with us we returned to teh sporting clays.
    
    The first station I was having trouble pickin up the bird so I missed
    all of them.  Then we moved to a doubles station, both birds coming
    from behind and to the right.  Only once out of about 8 doubles did I 
    miss both. Twice I got both!!!!  I was excited about this.
    
    Then we moved to rabbits, spent alot of time here since my buddy
    was having lots of trouble.  I was hitting about 3 out of 4 of 
    the little round bunnies.  Tony then added a twist. After you shoot
    the rabbit, he launched a bird.  I always hit one, got both several
    times.
    
    Overall, it was great, I highly recommend it, and Tony is a great
    shooting instructor and an all around good guy.
    
    The deal he gave us was great, we fired probably 75 shots at shooting
    clays and maybe 50 more during the lessons, all for what I consider
    a small charge.
    
    Great way to spend a morning.                          
    
    --Bob