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Title:The Hunting Notesfile
Notice:Registry #7, For Sale #15, Success #270
Moderator:SALEM::PAPPALARDO
Created:Wed Sep 02 1987
Last Modified:Tue Jun 03 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1561
Total number of notes:17784

773.0. "Colorado Residency Requirements" by CSC32::J_HENSON () Tue Sep 25 1990 18:28

Consider this a plea for help from Colorado residents.  I just never
realized what a hassle it is to prove to the state of Colorado that
you really do live here!

First, a little background.  I moved to Colorado in late March.  We
bought a house at that time, so I have closing papers dating back to
then.  I've also saved all of my paycheck stubs, which very clearly
state that my location is CXO03.  I figured that I could give the
folks at the DOW (Dept. of Wildlife) these and a peek at a DEC phone 
book (to prove that CX03 is really in Colorado) to prove my residence.  
Unfortunately, it ain't quite that simple.  Also, I really screwed by 
waiting until June to get my Colorado driver's license.  I was travelling 
a lot during the first couple of months I lived here and just never seemed 
to have the time.

The people at the DOW want to see all of my utility receipts.  Damn, I
forgot to keep 'em.  But that's ok, because all I have to do is ask
the utility company for a summary of my last six months services, and
presto, problem solved!  Except the utility companies won't do it.

So we finally struck an agreement.  All I have to do is 1) Show them
my closing papers, 2) show them my paycheck stubs (I'll probably also
have to prove that cxo3 is in colorado), and 3) Get a letter from the
Digital Credit Union stating that we changed our address.  We even had
a three way conversation with a phone company guy who told the DOW
guy that we have had service for the last six months!  To add insult
to injury, the DOW guy told me that they were making things easier for
me, because they used to require you to live here for a whole year before
you could be a resident.  Also, even after I get my resident license,
I'm still at risk if I don't have all of this proof on me while I'm
hunting.  Great system, huh?  Now, all I have to figure out is how to
get a resident license for my 15 year old son.

So, does anyone have any suggestions for making this a little easier.  I
realize that Colorado must have lots of people faking residency just so
they don't have to pay non-resident fees, but there has to be a better
way.  I would appreciate hearing from anyone else who has had to go
through this.  Also, any ideas about how to prove that my 15 year old
son is a resident?  He doesn't even have a driver's license!

Hanging in there,

Jerry
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773.1WHY ?CSC32::WATERSThe Agony of DeleteTue Sep 25 1990 19:0119
    WHAT ???
    
     Man that sounds like alot of bull $hit.  What license are you getting?
    Why are you going to the DOW ?
    
    Just go down to the Shoot'n Den and get it over the counter. All you
    need is the Hunter Saftey Card. They'll ask you how long you've lived
    here and write it on the license, 6 months is all you need for a
    resident license.
    
     When I got my first Colorado License I was expecting what you went
    through, but all I got was a : You know you have to live here 6 months
    before you can get a resident license ?  
    
    You can get a license after X (1-5) months, if the season you are
    hunting doesn't start until after 6 months.
    
    Mark
    
773.2MADMXX::PELTONENAll the Government We DeserveWed Sep 26 1990 20:1119
    
     re .0
    
     What .1 said......I moved here too late to hunt last year,
     but I got my tags for 1990. All I did was to apply for the
     drawings and nobody ever double-checked how long I'd been
     a resident. However; the hunter safety course is a *must*!!
     And as they told me in the course I took, CO doesn't recognize
     any other state but their own due to the fact that theirs is
     about the only 10-hour classroom course coupled with actual
     shooting. After all this, you get an orange card with a number
     on it. That number must exist on the application or you don't
     get a license.
    
     But, after all these years of wearing out my boots in NH, I'll
     do whatever it takes to get out hunting in this state!! :-)
    
     DAP
    
773.3Hunter safety card oddityCSC32::J_HENSONWed Sep 26 1990 20:3220
I realize that I could probably go someplace else and get my license.
However, the way it was explained to me (by the DOW) was that if I
got checked in the field, I might have some difficulty with the
game warden.  I guess I'm looking at this as insurance.

I find the bit about the hunter safety kind of odd.  My son and I
both got our hunter safety cards in New Mexico several years ago.
When we first moved here, I couldn't find my son's card so I called
the DOW about replacing it.  I really expected a hassle on this one.
To my surprise, the DOW called New Mexico on my behalf (they charged
the call to me) and verified that both me and my son had taken
the course in N.M.  I then just went down to their office and picked
up a Colorado Hunter Safety card for my son.  I also traded them my
N.M. card for a Colorado card.  Also, I know that Colorado recognizes
other state's hunter safety programs (except for California, for some
unknown reason).  How else can they sell so many non-resident licenses?

Curiouser and curiouser.

Jerry
773.4SA1794::CHARBONNDscorn to trade my placeThu Sep 27 1990 11:123
    Would they (CO) accept a Mass. DFW 'Bowhunter Certificate'
    stating that the bearer has completed the course in Bowhunter
    Education ?
773.5They traded evenup on a ~20yr old cardCXCAD::COLECCHIFri Sep 28 1990 16:034
    I got my hunter safety card back around 1963 in PA. The traded me
    even up for a colo card. Maybe things have changed since then.
    
    JC
773.6SALEM::PAPPALARDOFri Sep 28 1990 16:147
    re.4
    
          Are you asking that a "Bowhunting" certificate be accepted as a
    "Hunters" Safety card?
    
                                                        Guy
    
773.7MADMXX::PELTONENCan't Buy a ThrillFri Sep 28 1990 16:2813
    
    One thing I sorta remember from the course......and it probably
    has much bearing here. If you have a card from a state that
    they consider as being valid; you can get a hunting license but
    not the CO hunter safety card. In other words, you can hunt this
    season but thats it.....whereas my safety card will allow me to
    buy licenses as long as I live.
    
    I'll try to get around to finding the exact info and posting
    it here.
    
    DAP
    
773.8SALEM::PAPPALARDOFri Sep 28 1990 16:3510
    
    Based on what is going on here in N.H., a Hunters safety card will
    cover you for obtaining a license using a firearm. And from what is
    rumored as of next year (91) if you have not held a prior (NH) Archery
    license will need a Bowhunting Education Certificate which is simalar
    to the regular Hunters safety program but is desisgned for obtaining
    an Archery license only.
    
                                                     Guy
    
773.9IMO they should be interchangeableHEFTY::CHARBONNDscorn to trade my placeFri Sep 28 1990 17:309
    re .6 Is there much difference ? I mean, we're all aware of the
    much greater range of a bullet, but otherwise deer hunting
    *always* requires keeping an eye out for safety. You can get
    killed climbing a tree with bow in hand or gun. Etc. The 
    NBEP course I took was a full day covering gear, safety, shot
    placement and deer anatomy, 'getting lost' etc. How much
    difference is there in the courses ?
    
    Dana
773.10Too late? (Or not a resident long enough?)CUJO::BROWNDave BrownWed Oct 03 1990 02:1313
    
    	Hmmm. It looks like my life just became simpler. I was
    contemplating seeing what I could do about getting out this fall, (I
    just moved to Colorado in June) but it would seem I do not yet have a
    valid residency criteria satisfaction. Would this seem to be true?
    
    	Besides, I haven't synced up with anyone around the Denver area
    yet. If anyone thinks I may still have a chance at getting out, please
    let me know.
    
    	Thanks,
    
    	Dave
773.11Go for itDECWET::HELSELLegitimate sporting purposeWed Oct 03 1990 12:173
    You could always buy an out of state tag.
    
    /brett
773.12Six MonthsCSC32::J_HENSONWed Oct 03 1990 12:3815
>>                 <<< Note 773.10 by CUJO::BROWN "Dave Brown" >>>
>>                -< Too late? (Or not a resident long enough?) >-

    
>>    just moved to Colorado in June) but it would seem I do not yet have a
>>    valid residency criteria satisfaction. Would this seem to be true?

    	Dave,

	The law is that you have to be a resident for at least six
	continuous months in order to qualify for residency status
	where your hunting (and probably fishing, too) is concerned.

	Jerry

773.13As expected...CUJO::BROWNDave BrownThu Oct 04 1990 00:4110
    
    
    	re:.12 That's what I thought. Thanks.
    
    	re:.11 Brett, you allways have had a flair for the expensive hunt.
    		That kinda money is outta my leauge. I would do it if I 
    		connected with someone who could pretty well guarantee
    		me success.
    
    	Dave
773.14Maybe out-of-state this year...RIPPLE::CORBETTKETue Apr 30 1991 22:307
    I have a friend who has access to good elk hunting on a private ranch
    in Colorado.  After me running the elk camp for many years, I've
    allowed him to set up everything.  What I'm afraid of is that we have
    missed the window to buy out of state tags for elk.  Can anyone tell me
    the drop dead date for the application, and (God help me) the cost??
    
    Ken
773.15June 3 - $250CSC32::J_HENSONWhat is 2 faced commit?Wed May 01 1991 12:4034
>>                    <<< Note 773.14 by RIPPLE::CORBETTKE >>>
>>                      -< Maybe out-of-state this year... >-

>>    I have a friend who has access to good elk hunting on a private ranch
>>    in Colorado.  After me running the elk camp for many years, I've
>>    allowed him to set up everything.  What I'm afraid of is that we have
>>    missed the window to buy out of state tags for elk.  Can anyone tell me
>>    the drop dead date for the application, and (God help me) the cost??
    
    Ken,

	The deadline for applying for any permits to hunt any restricted
	areas is June 3.  If the area you wish to hunt allows unlimited
	elk permits, then you can buy one right up to the season opener.
	I'm not sure about buying a license after the season opens.

	This year, the non-resident elk license is $250.  For deer, it's
	$150.

	The number and address for the Division of Wildlife Regional
	office in Colorado Springs is:

		Wildlife Division Regional Office
		2126 N. Weber
		Colorado Springs, Co.   80907
		(719)473-2945

	They should be able to help you get applications and provide
	you more specific information.

	I'll double check this and re-post if any of this is wrong,
	but I'm pretty sure it's right.

	Jerry
773.16Thanks...RIPPLE::CORBETTKEWed May 01 1991 17:249
    
    Thanks for your quick response.  I was concerned because most states
    that feel out of state pressure cut off those applications early. 
    Around here they are finally starting a tag drawing to relieve some of
    the pressure that the Rocky Mountain elk herd is feeling.  No effect on the
    Roosevelt elk yet.
    
    Ken