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Title:The Hunting Notesfile
Notice:Registry #7, For Sale #15, Success #270
Moderator:SALEM::PAPPALARDO
Created:Wed Sep 02 1987
Last Modified:Tue Jun 03 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1561
Total number of notes:17784

83.0. "Bad hit, need answers" by 4141::LAFOSSE () Tue Nov 17 1987 13:31

    I have a question, which i would like some advice/first hand experience
    on....  How long/far will an above average deer (170-200 LB Dressed
    weight) buck travel after being gut shot with a bow?
    
    Reason i'm asking is because a friend hit a beautiful deer yesterday
    afternoon just before dark, found his arrow, it reeked of urine/musk,
    in fact the whole area where the deer was hit stunk.  The deer hit
    the ground got up and crashed off of everything in its path...
    
    I tracked it this morning with another guy we have been hunting
    with and followed the tracks for 500-600 yds before we even came
    across any blood, (not a whole bunch either) a few drop here and
    there... i lost the trail in some hardwoods cause the ground was
    very hard and the tracks were hard to pick up... had to come to
    work anyway...  My real question is should we wait a little longer
    or hound the piss out of the tracks...??? is there a chance that
    the thing might still be up and around.... I did find alot of white
    hair at the point of impact... but other than that i don't have
    much to go on... the blood is almost non existant, and the arrow
    had nothing but some clear liquid on it, no question though that
    the arrow went all the way through...
    
    need advice....  Fra
    
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83.1push him hardGLIVET::HUSTONTue Nov 17 1987 14:0222
    
    Assuming that it was a gut shot I would suggest pushing the deer.
    It had a whole night of not being pushed so it has probably calmed
    down and stiffened up a bit. I would say push the deer until you
    find it, if you jump him and he gets away, then take a break for
    about 45 minutes. When ever he moves he will probably tear open
    anything that may have healed, pushing him should tire him out.
    
    He probably had enough energy last night to go along ways, maybe
    miles.  I would suggest lining at least 3 people up. One on the
    track, the others off to each side.  Have the 2 outside guys just
    look for the deer, the one on the track should concentrate on the
    track.  He may be watching his backtrack, so move as quietly and
    as quickly as you can.  The outside 2 will probably be the ones
    that see him first.
    
    Keep that deer moving.
    
    --Bob
    
    P.S. I have no experience in this matter, this is from memory from
    reading.
83.2ELMO::HOLLENTue Nov 17 1987 14:3422
    
      I would be MOST concerned about not being able to pick up a major
    blood trail. Who knows how long the deer can run over the countryside
    before he succuums. And when he does drop for good I would say it'll
    be from urine poisoning his system. From what you say it sounds
    like the bladder was hit, or the hit caused him to loose control
    of his bladder. 
    
      All in all I couldn't imagine tracking a deer that was able to
    get away after a hit like this, and show practically no blood trail
    for over 600 yards. Like .1 said, if you find the trail, hound it,
    but if it disappears you might want to just try a "scouring" of
    the area. Try to pick up a "delayed" blood trail that could have
    occured maybe 1000 yards after the hit. A deer's body cavity, from
    what I understand, will contain a lot of internal bleeding until
    it becomes impossible for the region to contain the blood. Then
    it'll start to exit from the wound...
    
      Either way, good luck in finding it!
    
    
    Joe
83.3will he still be on the move???4141::LAFOSSETue Nov 17 1987 15:3623
    re:.2
    "MOST concerned"....
    Like I said Joe, there was no blood for over 600 yds... he was dragging
    one of his legs through the snow though, which made the tracking
    process a little easier... as this area is full of deer and the
    tracks are everywhere.. the little snow that is left has really
    helped... but no blood... i can't get over it, but last year Dave
    Ayotte hit his deer in the liver and paunch and there was no blood
    for 300+ yds, however the deer did drop due to the liver being hit...
    
    Iv'e never tracked or been involved in a gut shot trailing job before,
    with the exception of Dave's (but his was hit in a vital organ),
    this one looks like a long tracking job... Anyone know how long
    they can keep moving from this hit.... and will he act normally
    until he expires? meaning should someone take a stand and wit him
    out... this is really pissing me off cause i'm not even the one
    who shot the damn thing and i'm all worried about it!!! And to top
    it off i'm stuck in this place today...
    
    Fra
    
    
    
83.4ZIG ZAGNEBVAX::PAPPALARDOTue Nov 17 1987 16:3937
    Boy,what a mess, as well as a shame.hate to hear of a deer thats
    hit and leaves you wondering.sounds like it was hit in the rear
    leg of which the arrow passed thru the urine tract.if it was hit
    in the leg or the gut it will go for a real good distance.but not
    being pushed when it was shot it could of also layed down,but where?
    is there some type of swamp or heavy greens nearby.depending on
    the area and only you know that and the direction,ask yourself if
    you were a deer where would you go? 600 yds you say,deer tend to
    make a circle,did it start to? did you zig zag.no blood,drop here
    drop there,i tracked a deer this year same stuff drop here drop
    there i mean a drop the size of your baby finger every 30 or so yds.
    to my self i said,when this deer stops and stands still i should
    see a pool of blood,of which i did,after 400 yds,when the deer started
    to move again i was back to a drop here and there.this deer was
    also shot at 4:30 pm and not tracked til the following A.M.. in
    the slash no snow also it rained all that night,which made tracking
    tuff.when i could no longer find  blood cause in the slash no prints
    were left i went back to where the last blood was seen (left my hat
    there)and started to zig zag ,thats how i found the pool of blood,she
    was heading you gussed it, for the swamp.spent two days going back to
    the last blood dozens of times but never found the deer.the color
    of blood was a deep maroon,what was yours? I have to say i tracked
    at least a thousand yds and could no longer find anything.I belive
    that the deer was dead in the swamp somewhere.to bad,like you i
    did not shoot this deer but it still bothers me today to lose such
    a fine animal,a clean miss would of been so much easier to swallow
    keep trying ,don,t give up ,go slow ,try zig zaging its worked more
    than once.if the guy who shot it said it ran to the left try the
    right,a friend of mine shot a deer and when we could no longer find
    the track,he said i saw it running to the left,I found the deer
    to the right 20 yds under a blowdown that we had walked by and around
    many times.
    
     I wish you guys the BEST and let us know.
    
            Rick..
    
83.5Sometimes it's futilBPOV09::LEAHYFri Nov 20 1987 16:477
    My partner hit one in the neck on the last day last year. We chased
    him (4 point) for two days and finally gave up. He was taken the
    following week (opening day) of shotgun in basically the same area
    WITH the damn arrow still in his neck. So, depending on the shot
    it may not drop until it is hit again.
    
    Jack