Conference vmsnet::hunting$note:hunting

    Wess,
    
    I got it worse than you do!  THANK GOD THAT IN 16 HOURS I WILL BE
    ON MY TREE STAND!!!  Yes, that's right, in Georgia september 21 is
    opening day.  I am going crazy.  Couldn't do a thing today.  Looking
    forward to full draw on a deer tommorrow.  I will put an opening day
    note in notes on Monday or Tuesday.  Good luck to everyone, and Wess,
    believe me, that is going to be 11 LONG days bud!
    
    Bob
    headin out to deer camp!!!!YIPPEEE.....WEEEEEEEEE....HOORAAAAH!!!
    

    re.0 yup. Got up this morning and had an urge to urinate on
    my hocks, paw the ground, and rub my antler on a tree ;-)
    
    Two weeks 'til Vermont opener.
    
    Dana

    Sorry fello stick throwers, but eat your heart out because we've
    already been hunting in Colorado :-)  The season started in August. 
    What a hunt is was too.  We saw bear, bull elk, bucks and lots of does. 
    We hunt mulies you hunt whitetails but it don't matter much.  Because
    there is not anything that quite matches the thrill of comming to full
    draw on an animal that doesn't know you're there.  Releasing on an
    animal is even more intense - who knows, maybe some day I'll bag a
    'mulie'.
    
    dave  (have fun - nothin like being out in the woods) :-) :-) :-)
    

    
    	You bet!  Waking up to these crispy cold mornings doesn't help
    much for the concentration these days.  Less than two weeks now
    till time zero for us Vt hunters.  May all your arrows fly straight
    and true.  Good luck everyone!  We're pumped
    

            Gee, I feel bad for you guys that are still waiting.
    N.H. bowhunters started the 14th of Sept...........
                                            
    

    Just got back yesterday from good ole VT...  Rob, apple trees are
    loaded, he planted corn in a couple of fields and the place is tracked
    up and loaded with sign, their hitting the apples heavy!!!  ohhh baby!!
    
    and we saw 4 (count em, 4) bucks in the pasture behind the camp friday
    night at 6:00 and saturday morning at 8:00... 8 pt, 6 pt, 4 pt, and a
    spike... no does!! which in itself is incredible, but i guess they're
    still bacheloring it!
    
    treestands are all up, new carpeting in the bedroom and I even have
    clean sheets and a new blanket! ;^)
    
    man am I psyched!!  hang on a sec, i gotta check my scrapes!!!
    
    good luck to all!!!
    
    Fra

    Re: Fra, Rob,
    
    		Save some of the Bucks for us less fortunate rifel
    	hunters....
    
    	Re: Fra....Clean sheets.......Oh my, what's this world coming
    				      to ? I bet you even bath and
    				      shave ?
    
    
    	Smile,
    
    	Red

    Well, I'm glad to see that there are a lot of other "ate-up, deer
    crazed" people out there.  Has anyone scored yet that was lucky enough to
    have the season open earlier?  Maybe you had better not tell me, I may
    not be able to handle it.  My wife had to use my grunt tube to call me
    to the table last night.  Just 7 more days!
    
    Wess

    
    	All right Fra, I wish I coulda been there - From the sounds of
    it you'll beat me to note #270 this year!! :')  Now don't be getting
    blood stains on all those clean sheets - 
    
    	Hey Red, Don't worry, if I get a buck with my bow, it'll be a 
    spike - all the 'big fellas' will be saved for you.
    

    Red,
    
    No guarantees... but i'll see what i can do... One of these years your
    gonna wake up and smell the coffee and wonder why you havn't bought 
    a bow ;^)
    
    Fra

	Almost got a nice buck saturday night with my Cutlass Ciera.
 Now I know where he lives. Should be venison on the table come shotgun season...

sjn

    Fra,
    
    	> One of these years your gonna wake up and smell the coffee and
          wonder why you havn't bought a bow ;^
    
    	I've smelt that cup many times, just lacking free time to 
    	get into it. Working 3rd again, murder on the sleep cycle
    	and I'm involved carving ducks/birds.
    	
    	Good luck in Vermont.
    
    	Red...only 52 more days until Rifle season in Vt.

    
    How ya been Red!
    
    Duck carving is a winter affair when the seasons over... come on!!! try
    it, gauranteed your gonna love it!!!  Rob, talk to that man!
    
    Fra

    
    	Yeah Fra, anyone who loves hunting and the outdoors will find 
    bowhunting one of the most incredible experiences they've ever had.
    I know guys that have gotton deer with their rifles and have yet
    to get one with their bow - and they still claim they prefer
    bowhunting.  A few of the major reasons I enjoy it so much is that
    its generally quiter in the woods with fewer people, the deer aren't
    spooked out of their normal habits, you have to hunt them one-on-one
    (there are usually no freebies), and it's a major challenge.
    
    	I can't count how many times I've been sitting in a stand and
    watched squirrels, chipmunks, and partridges come within just a few
    feet of me.  The closest deer I've had to me while bowhunting was
    probably no further than 10 feet away!  Now that's excitement!!
    If you can keep your blood from boiling over at a time like that,
    you've got nerves of steel! - me, My legs were shaking so bad I 
    was bobbing up and down a foot or more :')

    
    Tell ya Fra, just the thought of getting out there with the bow has
    the adrenalin up.....I have had deer come within 10 to 20 feet and 
    last year missed the BIG one because my %^#$%#%%^ ka nock came off 
    of the arrow when I drew on it.... QUIET...no doubt about it...you
    can hear that crunching at 100 yards....or so it seems...can't get
    here fast enough.
    
    Ron
    

    
    	I just found out that somebody jacked 4 deer just over the ridge
    from where I've been bowhunting for the last several years!!  Kinda
    puts a pin in the balloon if you know what I mean :'(  
    
    I'm getting real tired of hearing about this kind of crap, the only
    saving grace is that they were apparantly caught.
    
    Good luck this weekend to all you Vt. Hunters - let's see some more 
    in note #270
    
    - Rob

    Well boys, i'm really in a bind and i'm hoping someone in here can
    help me out... yesterday morning Ibroke my thumb and really messed up
    the tendons while playing hockey. ;^(  i'm now saddled with a cast and
    no way to draw a bow...  even with a release it's no go!
    
    i'm going to call the VT fish ang game and see whats necessary to hunt
    with a crossbow...  hopefully the fact that i might have to have
    surgery on it will have some bearing. i'll know later today after
    seeing the Orthopedic Surgeon.
    
    Now my question...   anybody have a crossbow or know someone who does
    that would let me borrow it for a few weeks...  i'm scrambling... and 
    don't have the necesary $$$ to go out and buy one for what will be
    essentially 2 weeks use...
    
    keeping my fingers crossed
    
    Fra

    Fra.
    
    		Sorry to hear about the broken thumb. Sure will put
    	a crimp in the Bow season. On a lighter side......Why was you
    	playing a contact sport so close to hunting season ? .........
    
    
    	Smile,
    
    	Red

    Fra,
    
    Check with your doctor about the cast and thumb.  Two years ago my
    brother fractured his leg two weeks before the rifle season in Maine. 
    With the help of the doc, he was able to put on a flexible, waterproof
    cast.  We fitted fis foot with an outer snowmobile boot and some wool
    padding and it worked out fine; although dear brother didn't
    particularly like the day I decided to climb the mountain.  Hell, just
    have the doc set your fingers into a permanent position so you can draw
    the bow.
    
    I've since forbidden my brother the riding of motorcycles within 2
    months of deer season.
    
    Pete
    

    
    	Fra, Vermont F&W office in Waterbury is 244-7331.
    I think all they need is a signed statement from your doctor.
    I only know of one person who has hunted/hunts with a crossbow -
    someone who has M.S. and has to literally "drag" himself into the
    woods every deer season.  He's using his, so I can't help you there.
    BTW, If this person can still get out and do it, I'm sure you'll
    be able to find a way.  This guy regularly gets deer with both bow
    and rifle!!!  A true inspiration to all dedicated sportsmen.
    
    Good luck,   Rob

    
    
    
      Don't know your exact situation but a "Trophy Hunter" release has a
    strap that goes around your wrist and you can draw your bow without
    even holding onto the release.  Very easy to draw even a heavy weight
    bow with this thing.  
    
    
    
    Chuck

    havn't tried yet, as the thumb is still dislocated.... hopefully after
    this mornings surgery and a new cast i should be able to give it a try.
    
    had an appt with the surgeon yesterday, he tried relocating it, but
    there is a piece of cartilege that is broken and the thumb l=keeps
    slipping back out, sooooo, he's gonna install a couple of pins to keep
    it in till the cartilege heals...  
    
    if i can use a release with the new cast, i will give it a try... 
    still trying to work the crossbow deal as a last resort.  called F&W
    yesterday morning, Spoke witha maureen Allen from waterbury... she
    mailed me a dr's consent form to be filled out, then i have to drive to
    waterbury friday and interview with her.  keeping my fingers crossed
    (on my left hand ;^) )
    
    thanks for the input guys...
    
    wish me luck this morning...
    
    Fra

    Good luck Fra...You'll be out there...one way or another, RIGHT...
    and there'll be one less Bambi when your done....
    
    Ron

    
    	Good Luck!  Were you able to locate a crossbow and accessories??
    I had a theory, Fra, that you did this on purpose because you haven't
    been able to get quite close enough to the deers in the last few years
    ....so you'd bust yourself up so you could get a crossbow... and then
    you'd be able to shoot from 60 yards out....  :')
    Seriously, though, I really do wish you the best!     - Rob

    
    Fra,
    
    	Real sorry for your misfortune at this time of year.
    
    	One idea might be to get a pinch shooter.
    	I broke me arm four years ago and had the doctor leave my
    	thumb and the tips of my fingers out so that I could ride a
    	snowmobile.  I had him put on a fiberglass cast; so that 
    	if it got wet it would not fall apart.
    
    	Good luck and I will keep my eyes open for a crossbow.
    
    	I am going to Maine this weekend.  The acorns and beechnuts on
    	my land are not very good but the apples are great, that is
    	everywhere I checked out the apples were very abundent.
    
    	Don

    re. a few back about the Trophy hunter release.  I own one.  I has an
    adjustable strap that should fid around any cast.  You can use any
    finger to release the trigger assembly.  You pull back with your arm
    and wrist, the hand does not come into play.  DO IT!  Imagine being in
    your tree stand when that ultra buck comes walking in not even noticing
    you, you pull your bow back with the trophy hunter...............
    
    
    Smack!!!!!..........first deer of the year.  Or you could stay home and
    look out the window and wish....
    
    bob
    

    duh, geez guyz, pardn da spelln, but c wat deer csun duz 2 yur hed.
    da onle kurekt spelln her r deer.
    
    hmmmmmmmm.
    
    bob
    

    tomorrow, at about this time, I will be in my stand, and, according
    to all scouting and calculations, the deer should be showing up
    right about...now. Excuse me. *TWANG* *WHAP* crashcrashcrash *thud*
    
    YEEEHAWWW!

    
    	Dana,   Good text to sound simulation!  You're not cocky, just
    confident!  - Like me! :')  I've never gotton one early the first
    morning before - I guess there's a first time for everything.
    
    	Was out last night to set up one of my portables - carried my
    shotgun along for the walk just in case I saw a few birds...  Didn't
    see any until I finished trimming a few limbs and climbed down out of 
    the tree.  about 10 yards from the base of the tree was a grouse 
    that flew up... must've been curious as to all the racket I was making.
    I scrambled for the shotgun, but it was too late.  It was a nice big
    fat, juicy one too dammit.
    
    	It's supposed to be warm (high of 70) tomorrow, and Sunday it's 
    supposed to rain with a high of 65-75.  Arggh, this is NOT bowhunting
    weather.  Supposed to cool down by Monday though.  This is Vt forcast.
    
    good luck everyone, I'll be checking note 270 on Monday!
    
    - Rob
    

    
    Bowhunting for me this year might be listening to other hunting
    stories.
    
    Another archer may have bitten the dust... At least for this year...
    
    				maybe!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    
    I had a small accident about 2 months ago, splitting logs with one of
    those gas powered splitters.  
    
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    stevevan	0
    
    Kinda crushed my middle finger on my right hand, < my draw hand >
    so pulling back my bow was very painful.  The doc said I might never
    get the full use back.  
    
    Just wondering about using a release.  I hunt MA. NH. & VT.
    
    Whats the verdict on using one in these states...
    
    Hope it's good news.  I'd hate to miss the whole archery season.
    
    Good luck 
    Stevevan
    
    

    Hi Stevevan,
    	Sorry to hear of yet another misfortune!  (Fra, we haven't heard
    from you yet, how'd you make out?)  Releases are legal in Vermont -
    
    - Rob

                   there also legal in new hampshire!!!! 
    
    

    Hey Van,  long time....
    
    Check with Division of F&G or wildlife folks....they sometimes issue
    permits based on handicaps associated with an archers ability to hunt
    as defined by state law.....
    
    Would hate to see you miss the big one......
    
    Ron

    Well, having just gone through this myself, let me tell you what
    to do...
    
    In Vermont, call Maureen Allen in Waterbury Vt, Dept Fish and Wildlife.
    don't have her number on hand, but Rob Wener posted it in an earlier
    reply.  In Vermont it is legel to hunt with a release aid. and based
    on your injury a permit can be applied for, to hunt with a crossbow.
    However, Maureen has to mail it to you, and your doctor has to fill it
    out and you then have to interview with her and have the permit on
    hand.  But seeing as the season has already started you better hurry.
    
    I called Mass also, and they don't want to hear the word "crossbow"...
    so it looks like i'll be outa luck this year. ;^(   I called Westboro
    headquarters, and was told that i could get a permit for a release aid,
    but that was about the best i could do, crossbow permits were very
    rare.
    
    FYI,
    
    Fra
    
    don't have any info on NH...

    
    Fra,
    	Did you get a Vt. Crossbow permit for the season?  If so, were you 
    able to get out ?  I couldn't tell from your note whether you were able
    to for Vt or not.
    	I didn't see a deer all weekend....  but that doesn't bother me,
    weather was pretty lousy.
    
    - Rob

    Rob,
    
    got the application in the mail thursday, drove to waterbury friday,
    got there at 2:30, and met with Maureen Allen, Nice lady!!  she had my
    permit all ready to go, was in and out in 10 minutes... stayed and
    talked to her and 2 wardens for about 1/2 hour...  nice people
    
    jumped a nice spike saturday morning, ran across a pasture, stopped
    about 70 yards out, turned around and started walking back toward me...
    too far out for a shot... musta thought I was a bull that had come too
    close for comfort.  There were 6-8 bulls out browsing in the pasture
    with the buck, he was under an apple tree eating.  stayed outa range
    for close to 10 minutes, then the wind changed directions and he winded
    me snorted and took off in the direction of another guy in the club...
    barked twice to alert him something was coming... he got a shot off but
    missed high.
    
    bulls chased me out the pasture... man, was i nervous.... never realized
    they were there till i was halfway out into the pasture.  they chased
    me all morning... from one area to the next... finally after one close
    call too many I said to hell with it... turns out they were neutered
    and arn't really anything to worry about....   ya right...
    
    saturday evening i stalked within 50 yards of a nice 4 pointer browsing
    in a field, crawled on my belly for 75-80 yards, closes i could get to
    it was about 50 yards...  never came any closer....  was runningouta
    daylight so i took a pop, no dice shot low...
    
    I'll tell ya, do'nt believe everything you hear about crossbows....
    about the only advantage is that you don't have to draw it when the
    deer come in, otherwise their no faster or flatter than a conventional
    bow, and you'll never get off a second shot. unless your completely
    hidden in a blind... the cocking lever is really cumbersome to use with
    one hand disabled... Unless i'm using an older model and they've come
    a long ways since...  i was wishing i had my golden eagle.
    
    it was nadsy though getting so close by stalking... what a thrill.
    got drenched for my efforts.
    
    sunday was a wash!  literally!
    
    how'd everyone else do?
    
    Fra
    
    PS, one of the guys in our group (6 of us) shot a 100 lb doe saturday
    night, one shot through the throat, severed arterie (jugular?) and
    severed windpipe....  very quick kill. 35 yard shot. golden eagle hawk
    75 lbs, overdraw.  FWIW

    
    Fra,
    
    Nice to hear that you were able to get the permit.  Now you got me
    wondering about playing hockey...hmmm...seems I have a game tonight.
    
    Anyway I got out Sat. am only, saw 2 deer, one was about 6' from
    me, holding my bow up I couldn't see my pins, too dark.  Oh well it
    was exciting anyway.
    
    Good luck,
    
    Kevin

    
    Thanks guys for the info on my handicap...I'll get in touch with the
    Westboro office and see about the permit....
    
    Hope I get it intime for the Mass opener...Got my eye on this nice 8
    pointer in the backyard.
    
    Thanks Fra for the info on NH. I'll be moving up there the end of
    October.  Just bought a house on 7 acres in Rindge....
    
    
    Good Hunting to all
    Steve
    

    Yeah Fra, that's great news!  You'd be sick if you had to be an
    "armchair bowhunter" for a year.  Hopefully Stevevan won't have to!
    at least you got a decent shot off Fra, I had a 4 point buck make a 
    shambles of me last night - left me hanging in my own tree wondering
    "where did he go, where did he go"  as the old cartoon saying goes...
    and I never got a shot off although he was within 22 yds of me twice
    - in a shooting lane.  He was just doing what they do best - being 
    sneaky!  Oh well... win some, lose some, it was still a blast!
    
    - Rob

    
    Fra, I called the westboro office and they told my to call the Boston
    office and talk to a Jack Buckley.  Jack told me that he will send
    me the application for mechanical releases, it should be at the house
    by the end of the week < I HOPE >.  Then a note from my doctor and
    I'll be all set for all 3 states.....
    
    I went out last nite and tried 4 kinds of releases,  WOW  what a 
    difference a release makes...took me about 10/12 shots to get the
    feel of each release.....
    
    No armchair bowhunting for me.....
    
    Later
    Happy Hunting
    
    Steve
    

    Steve,
    
    do you happen to have the number where I can reach Jack Buckley...??
    
    thanks, in advance... good luck, Fra

    
    Fra, 
    
    	The Boston Office # 617-727-3151....
    
    	Ask for Jack or priscella, they have the info on the application.
    
    	They just you for your name and address so they can get it in the
    	mail.
    
    Steve
    

    
    Steve,
    
    	Sorry to hear about your hand.  I know you can not hit anything
    with 10 figures.  Good luck in your new home.
    
    	I got two shots off this weekend in Maine.  The score is trees 2 
    and me none.  I wanted to shoot myself but my arm was to short to get
    the bow up.
    
        I had a scary thought when I heard on the radio that moose season
    opening day was Monday and I was going to hunt Monday in full Camo.
    
    	Good luck with your new release and hope you score that dream buck.
    
    	Fr Don

    Well, my prime stand was dead all weekend. My buddy saw two on
    Saturday and _six_ on Monday from one of my alternates. I took
    a slow walk/stillhunt out to another old alternate stand, and
    there were two deer right under it! Too far away to see 'til
    they bolted tho'. Come on, Friday!
    
    dana the skunked

    Re: 1039.43
    
    		Fr. Don, it's good to see your still shooting trees...
    
    		SteveVan - Good luck with the new house and good hunting...
    
    		Rob      - Yeh, I hear you, Deer can sometimes make fools
    			   if us...
    
    		I'm getting jelous hearing all these Bow hunting stories.
    I'm gonna have to get me one of them thar stick throwers one of these
    days.
    
    	Good hunting to all and my you arrow fly true,
    
    	Red Hraded for Hanksville on the 21st 

    RE: .43
    
       If you hunt in the moose hunting area you must wear one article of
    hunter orange by law.  If you're not in the moose hunting area you have
    nothing to worry about. 8-)
    
    Chuck

    
    Thanks Chuck I was wondering about that.  I am not in a moose area.
    
    Red when are you going to get a real weapon, a bow!  Seeing that you
    are decendent from the vikings maybe an axe.  Rifle hunting is to easy
    HA HA.  Maybe you could get a bow with one of those rambo explosive
    heads, that would give you an edge !
    
    Good luck with the rifle anyway and may it have more than ten points,
    
    Fr Don
    
    
    

    
    
    	I just had a great long note-then hit cntrl Y instead of Z
    
    	Main thrust was-  Is ther a legaly described distance between the 
    	hunter and 'dwellings' that perscribes how close to a house you can 
    	'discharge' a bow?
    
    	I haven't picked one up in years(and I'm not tht old..) but was
    thinking of NEXT season(not this year..I know...) doing some arcery
    hunting close to home.(decent deer herd is loosing 50%  at least  of
    it's range soon to development).
    
    
    
    
    	Well, this year I can have good walks with the kids, and I have 16
    yrs of memories of being a neighbor of a 120 acre recently abandoned
    apple orchard......
    
    

    steve, thanks for the info on the phone number...  called them this
    morning.... 
    
    Just for the record...  In Mass 
    
    NO CROSSBOW PERMITS FOR HANDICAPPED ARCHERS
    
    hopefully i'll have a comfortable cast come November 4th...
    
    Good luck to all!
    
    Fra

    re.49 I believe there is a special hunt staged for paraplegics,
    but always thought this was extended to any disabled bowhunter.
    
    Sometimes this state makes me see red. Buncha morons.

    Does anyone know if there is a group trying to make it legal for
    hand held releases for bowhunting in Massachusetts? Or if it has
    been tried recently and not passed. What has to happen for releases
    to be legalized?
    
    Wishing they were legal!
    George
     

Re:48

Here in godd ol Massachusettes the legal distance for bow hunters is the same
as for ammo shooters. ie: 150ft from road and 500 ft from inhabited dwelling.
Gee, I hope noone has to come back and tell me I have them reveresed as I just
lasst week sat through a bow hunter safety course with my 15 yr old ans the
distances were mentioned. I should ask him since he scored 100% (a liitle
bragging here please excuse)

Safe hunting to all,
Jack

    re.52 Of course, you can shoot closer to a dwelling _with_ the
    owners permission.

    Just got back from yet another adventure... ;^)
    
    what a weekend...  Had that 4 pointer come in to within 15 yards of a
    makeshift groundblind in the middle of the meadow where I stalked up
    to him the previous weekend...  never had the opportunity to draw on
    it, he came in straight away, watched him for 10 minutes (seemed like
    an hour) but he never offered a broadside shot, and never allowed me an
    opportunity to shoot... at 15 yards, he saw something he didn't like
    and started to stomp his front feet....  that was all she wrote, took
    off like a rocket.  It was an interesting display...   and guess what
    Rob/Kevin...  he had a pretty impressive looking rack!!  did i just say
    that? ;^)  oh, BTW i'm back to using my bow... its a bitch to anchor
    but it beats the hell outa that crossbow... however, i was wishing i
    had it friday afternoon, but even then, a front chest shot isn't the 
    best offering for a clean kill...  Saturday noontime, of of the guys
    helped me put in my Hang-On Lite on the edge where the 4 pointer's been
    coming in from.  Toobad I hadn't had help a day earlier. 
    Oh well... always next weekend
    
    Saturday night, had does come in outa range, and all the grunting and
    bleating wouldn't get em any closer.  Sunday night, had 10
    deer come into the upper field, serious need for another stand to make
    use of the different wind directions.  Wind going left to right they come
    into the field from my side (loggy on edge of field) wind going from
    right to left and they came into the other edge...  Live and learn.
    
    You'd think by now you'd have them figured out... ;^)  naw, the next
    night they walk right up the middle!!! where one of the guys has a
    ladder stand, he misses at 18 yards, tough shot between 2 trees.
    
    Tough being in 3 places at one time. ;^)
    
    Anyways, still a ball, looking forward to Thursday afternoon, where
    i'll be back in my treestand waiting for another chance. 
    
    Rob, again congrats, you beat me to 270, I owe ya a beer! Genny's? ;^)
    
    Fra
    

    
    	Fra, I'm glad to hear you're back to your old self with the 
    Golden Eagle.  Sounds like lots of excitement!  Just to get you
    pumped up a little bit more, the weather forecast for later this 
    week and weekend is calling for clear, cold weather with highs in 
    the 50's and lows 25-35.  Now that's bowhunting weather!  The deer
    will be moving like crazy.

    clear and cold coming? yeehaawww! I've got all next week to
    hunt Vermont! C'mon, Friday!

    c'mon thursday noon!!! bout time we get some good weather!
    
    may the deer hunting gods watch over us!!!
    
    good luck to all!
    
    Fra

    
    Just received my permit to use a mechanical release for bow hunting...
    
    I picked up a release about a week ago and have been at the range
    almost every nite.... Not a bad group of arrows. 5 - 6 in the bull
    at 20 yrds, 30yrds and 4 - 6 at 40 yrds....
    
    Nice smoooooooth release...
    
    Must say it took me 2 days to get use to the release, a few times I
    would set the release and start to draw then hit the trigger and my
    arrow would fall 2 feet in front of my... Boy was my face RED cause
    there were 5 guys standing there when this happened.
    
    Well good luck to all
    May your arrow hit the mark...
    
    Steve
    
    

    
    	All right Steve, glad to see you won't be an armchair Bowhunter!
    Good luck, and just don't do what you did at the range when you
    see a deer!  The Deer laugh harder!! :')
    
    - Rob

    
    	Fra and Dana, sorry about the weather forecast, I'll have to 
    have a talk with Sharron Myers of channel 3!  It was pretty raunchy
    out - you guys see anything?  I saw two deer in a field on my way
    home from work last evening.
    
    - Rob

      Supposed to be warm (65-70) the rest of the week.... Not real
    good bow hunting weather....
    
    -Ron-

    can't really complain too too much bout the weather, as i'm seeing
    deer, unfortunately when i'm on stand and waiting to make the drop on
    them, nothings coming close enough for a shot..  otherwise, i'm 
    jumping them.  Saw 17 deer this weekend, 3 were bucks, (4 points or 
    better, one 8 pointer)...  of the remaining 14, 9 were known does, 
    and the rest I never got a chance to see headgear.
    
    ah well, possibly one more weekend... wedding friday night...
    
    good luck to all.
    
    Fra
    

    Well, after a full week in Vermont, I'm disappointed. Weather was
    too warm, IMO, lows in the 50's and highs in the 70's. Deer had
    food everywhere and were not concentrating on anything. No buck
    rubbing or scraping whatsodamnedever. Saw two does Tuesday morning,
    they bolted into a swamp. That afternoon they cam back out, but
    caught me waiting for them. i don't think the full moon helped
    either. 
    
    Then today, the day after season, the weather turns brisk.
    waauuuggghhh.

    
    
    re .63
    
    It was a crappy week to hunt deer, a crappy week to hunt anything
    for that matter.  I reverted to do some grouse hunting, saw a small
    buck...reverted to bow hunting saw grouse running everywhere...it 
    never ceases to amaze me how these animals seem to have that 6th sense,
    the sense to determine whether or not you are a danger to them.  I
    don't think they know by the weapons or lack of that we carry, more,
    I would guess, by our body language, how we walk...what we're looking
    at etc.  They are truely amazing, if the anit's only knew the
    dimensions of the wild animals...maybe they'd cut us some slack.
    
    Better luck with the rifle Dana...
    
    Kevin

    funny, I saw grouse marks everywhere, but damn few grouse were
    about. the only one I heard drumming was doing so _at night_ 
    when the moon was at its' brightest. wierd friggin' sound to
    hear at 2 AM ;-)