Conference vmsnet::hunting$note:hunting

    
    Having been a young buck myself, I would think that either a Mint
    Julip, 'Jose Curveo or Jack Daniels would be a good scent cover.  This
    is not to imply drinking and then sweating out cover oder.  Use as any
    normal scent, like brute, olde spice. and to cover all bases, chanel #5
    
    Cheers
    Leonard
    
    p.s. after getting home from our outing the  other day found that the
    elevation was two clicks off, did the two clicks.  haven't received the
    new tower caps from tasco yet.   

    I've had good results using plain (non-rut) doe urine. Watched
    three deer walk over my stand-approach trail and never flinch. 

    I bought some Tinks "Red fox P", or is it "Redd Foxx PP".  I broke open
    the wax sealed container, just to get a whiff of it.  GEEZZ!!!  They
    won't smell me for miles, but they'll think that there are a bunch of
    beer drinking foxes hangin out.  Obviously a little goes a long way.
    Well, five more days until bow season.  It is hot as hell, but the
    weatherman says the cool front is to come in Friday, and the season
    starts Saturday.  I am all set.  Nothing else to do, but pray for cool
    weather, and no sight of snakes.  Snakes give me the hee bee gee bees.
    Sounds like a musical group.  Oh well, I use tinks #69 doe in heat when
    it gets later in the season, but for now, I will just try cover scents
    instead of "attracting" scents.
    
    I also bought this weekend a bleat call.  I have a grunt call.  Since
    it is early season, should I just work the bleat?  Work both?  Any
    idea?
    
    bye 4 now
    bob
    

    Read the recent issue of "Deer and Deer Hunting" for an excellent
    article on scents and how a deer's olfactory system works.  Deer have
    the ability to separate individual sources of odor, which means that
    even though a hunter may wear masking scents, deer *will* be able to
    differentiate the mask from human odor.
    
    Fascinating article.
    
    Mark.

    Re: Scents. It seems that we have this discussion every year. My
    	 	belief is that after opening day, there are so many
    		hunters tracking through every ridge/hollow in the
    		wood that the human scent is everywhere. Unless your
    		going into an unhunted/virgin area, the idea of wasting
    		money on scents does not thrill me. Follow your normal
    		basics...Read the wind, stay off of travel trails and
    		don't smoke or eat rude smelling things in the woods.
    
    	Good Hunting to all,
    
    	Red

    
    RED
    
    How are you doing son, haven't heard from you in a long time.  Are you
    going to SC to hunt this year?   
    
    Leonard
    
    

    Leonard,
    
    	Nope, going to hunt Vermont. Working and trying to hang on to my
    	job like the rest of us.
    
    	Red

    
    	Going to Hanksville Red?  I haven't seen your "X days and counting"
    notes in awhile.  Sorry I missed you at the camp over Labor Day
    weekend, I ended up on Lake Ontario looking for Kings!  When are you 
    heading up? 
    
    - Rob

 Hey, Red. Take your wife fishin' willya? She says she used to love going
fishing... :-)

    Rob,
    
    		I'll be heading up on the 22nd. Will miss the first
    few days.
    
    	Re: Levesque
    
    		She'd probably embarres me, she does now at the pistol
    range.
    
    		Rob: To make it official, It's only 65 more days until I
    head to camp.
    
    	Smiles,
    
    	Red

I saw a neat-o toy in Outdoor Life's latest issue.  It looked like an 
medical IV bag with a hard plastic tube hanging down.  The tube had 1 
loop bent into it.  The bag was supposedly sensitive to temperature 
changes, so when you put you favorite brand of doe-p in it, it would 
drop some out on the ground.  

The marketing literature said that it responded to a relative change 
in temperature, so it didn't matter if it went from 0F to 10F or 80F 
to 90F.  They recommended hanging it over live or mock scrapes.  When 
the temperature warmed up, it drips the Doe-P onto the scrape and 
"trains" the buck to be more active during daylight.

Y'all heard of this thang or used it?

Scott

    I have heard of it.  I haven't used it though.  I would like to hear
    field test results of that particular product though.  Hey leonard,
    you still got that drip don't you?  Howz it working?
    
    bob
    

    
    I have been giving some thought to pass conversations here and
    experiences/observations when watching deer.  This all has to do with
    scents.  Deer are really curious animals, however unlike humans when
    their curiosity is peaked so is there awareness level(alertness).  It
    appears they become very jumpy, there is a realization that something
    is out of the natural order, but again they are curious and will
    investigate.  They are more likely to bolt at the slightess bit of
    motion or noise that wuold be if they were investigating something that
    is a normal curiosity arouser.  Have witness them investigate human
    urine deposits, come out to sniff smoke, cooking.  Its the fact that it
    is out of the natural setting and the deer are curious, but very alert.
    
    I don't if I told this story before but here it goes.  My son and I are
    in this deer stand which is about 18 feet off the ground, at base. 
    Sitting there straining my eyes into the woods for some time I decided
    to have some coffee.  Quietly asking the son to get the thermos, he
    obliged.  Well with that something was knocked over creating some
    noise.  Well I turned around and started lecturing about the need for
    silence, etc.., this went on for about seven minutes.  Having completed
    the fatherly advice to son on hunting, and after pouring my coffee and
    lighting a cigarette I turned around in the seat and guess what, about
    40 yards away stand a buck and doe out in the open just looking at us. 
    Soaking up every word, sniffing the coffee and cigarette smoke.  The
    rifle was leaning up against the support pole about arms length away,
    so we just ended up looking at them and they at us.  Once they got
    their curiosity satified they simply turned around and walked away.
    
    To further the example, going through a field in the truck, and spot
    deer.  As long as the truck is moving the deer will stand and watch,
    stop the truck and or put an arm out the window and they will bolt. 
    The truck is out of the ordinary, they go on alert and are curious, add
    the movement to that and they bolt.
    
    Well I don't claim this as an absolute but this is what I've observed. 
    As for buck scent Bob, will you be taking yours with with while on
    break after bow hunting.
    
    Leonard
    
    

    You lectured your son on the need to be quiet in the woods, and then
    proceeded to light up while on a stand?
    
    :^)
    
    Mark.

    
                Just when you think you have deer figured out, they 
    go and change their ways.  I know people that have shot deer with
    a smoke in their mouth.  I know people that have shot deer from
    the squat when caught relieving themselves.  I even know a guy that
    shot a buck with a bow after it stood there and watched him nock
    the arrow, drop it off the bow, re-nock the arrow, come to full draw,
    decide he needs to turn on his little light which lights up his
    pins, relax the draw and do so.  Then re-draw the bow and shoot. It
    wasn't a spike either, it was a nice six pointer.  I guess the
    moral to the story is, you can take a lot of what you have read, 
    seen and or heard and figure it's all gonna change when you actually
    get into the woods.  It just don't figure.........;^)
    
                   Bob

    
    At the risk of starting something, I think the point being made or
    attempting to be has been ignored.  This is assuming that I interpet
    your responses (14 & 16) correctly.  
    
    Another starnger than fiction but true, as a hunter sat flicking his
    ashes off the stand he heard a noise below, looking down he spied a
    deer, who was looking at him, gross weight of deer 165 lbs doe.  enough
    said.
    
    
    leonard
    

    
    	Bob said it well in .15!  Although this isn't related to scents,
    I'll tell it anyway since were on the "amazing deer" subject.
    Two years ago, I went out to pound a permanent tree stand in a 
    hot looking spot.  I wasnt' going to take my bow with me, but I
    figured, what the hell, maybe I'd see something on the way in.
    	I pounded my small piece of 2x8 into the crotch of this big
    pine and trimmed some shooting lanes.  Made all kinds of noise 
    (you know what it sounds like pounding a hammer in the woods!).
    It was still early so I figured I'd sit the evening in my new 
    stand... Not more than 15 minutes later this spike came waltzing
    by  - he dressed at 108lbs!

    
    
          The one thing I have learnt over the years is always "expect the
    unexpected" when hunting for deer....:')
    
    
    
                                                  Gus
    

     I kinda like the idea of the IV bag for dropping doe scent in a scrape
    but the only problem with that is what if the buck happens to be there
    when that thing decides to let go with a drop and it hits the buck, he
    will then realize whats going on.
    
       if you have a active scrape put some doe P in it for a couple days,
    when the buck hits the scrape after 2 or 3 times, get him to work the
    scrape good, then one day put in deer scent (buck & doe scent) and wait
    for the action to start. when that buck smells the other buck scent he
    will come in looking for a fight!, and he will probably be more worried
    about the other deer invading his teritory than anything else.
    
    
    
                                                               Lee
    

>    when that thing decides to let go with a drop and it hits the buck, he
>    will then realize whats going on.
    
I don't know about that.  The assumption there is that the deer will 
"figure out" what's happened.  That means that deer would have the 
ability to reason or apply some sort of cognitive powers to a problem.
I don't know if wildlife biologists have done intellegence studies or 
not, but I don't think that a whitetail would think anything about it 
unless he scented human scent on it or something else spooked him.  If 
they "thought" anything at all, it'd probably be "how did that doe pee 
in that tree like that???" ;^)

Scott

    
    
      Scott,
    
          I know what you mean about the intellegence studies on deer, but 
    I dont think most people give a deer the respect of smarts they
    deserve, I think most of its because they are so curious.
    
       The thing I was trying to point out is if it does drop on the deer
    he would probably look up and see the bag and being curious he would in
    some way try and stand up to smell the bag, and this would be the time
    they catch the human scent.
       I guess if you put it up high enough so they cant reach it you would
    be alright probably. but I would probably be leary of using this method
    for the reason stated before about the drops hitting the deer, after
    all if a buck notices anything unusual around his scrape he will make
    another scrape in the same vicinity. and leave the tampered scrape
    alone.
    
        Also on the nights I just put doe pee in a scrape I put drops on
    the ground back to my stand to about 10 yrds from the stand, most bucks
    will check a scrape from as far as 60 yrds, if they smell fresh doe pee
    they come into the scrape and then follow the scent to where the doe is
    at, most of the time a doe will urinate in a scrape and then go 40-100
    yrds from the scrape and lay down and wait for the buck to show up.
    
        I have seen bucks act very funny when trailing a doe, and even when
    he is checking his scrape line. 
    
       All I can say is try the bag if you want and hopefully youll have
    good luck with it.
    
                                                       Lee
    

    
    	I've got a question for you guys who have used scents - ever tried 
    soaking a clean rag in doe-in-rut ( I was thinking Tink's 69) lure,
    affixing a string to the rag, and dragging the thing in a circle
    around your stand??  I would think this might work, act kinda like
    a doe in heat leaving a scent trail....  I was also thinking that
    you could then hang the rag in a tree that's a good shot from your
    stand...
    
    	To go along with this, anyone ever tried using high rubber packs
    or hip-boots to get to/from your stand to keep your scent from being
    spread on your way in??  I would think that in order to do the above,
    you'd need some way to keep your own scenT from being deposited, 
    like what Mark mentioned awhile back.
    
    	Just wondering - Rob
    
    
    	Also, what would be the best time (date wise) for rattling
    Northeastern Whitetails?  Fra, you got a deer doing this once didn't
    you?  

    Rob,
    
    I used canisters of tinks 69, a favorable wind, and cold temps. 
    Rattled it in to about 20 yards or so, on the day before thanksgiving.
    
    Good luck this weekend!
    
    Fra

    
    	Thanks Fra, good luck to you also.  I had thought that you'd done
    it later on, but wasn't sure - 

    A FRIEND OF MINE SWEARS BY 'TINKS 69'.I'M JUST LOOKING FOR
    OTHER PROS,CONS AND TIPS ON IT.
     THANKS FOR ANY AND ALL YOUR INPUTS...............
     
    
    STEVE

    
    I lost my hunting partner to 'tinks 69' and a six pointer during muzzle
    loading season. He was up in his tree stand and had two film containers
    with cotton and tinks in it at @30 yards. At 2:30 in the afternoon he
    sees this buck heading for one of the containers. He stopped and
    sniffed it and then looked right at my friend and started to walk away,
    fortunately he turned broad side and that was the end of that. When he
    walked up to the buck, it was wet from head to toe, must have been in
    the swamp and that tinks 69 was too irresitible for that buck to pass
    up.:^) 
                                                                

    Well, i'll tell ya... I was a believer before, and after reading Lee's
    reply here about putting it on his boots and walking in, I went one step
    further and used a drag rag loaded with the stuff...  here's what
    happened:
    
    parked the truck at 5:15, got my things together, pulled out the
    saturated rag and tied it to my boot... the  walked down the hill
    cutting several cross hill runs before arriving at my stand. Mistake
    number 1... should have circled around my stand  or at the least veared
    off for a few yards...
    
    climbed the tree and waited for the sun to come up...  about 6:45 am
    here comes this deer, but it turned up the hill before i got a look at
    him, heard him heading up the hill at an angle which would eventually 
    cross my path in...  sure enough as soon as he reached my track he
    headed down toward me, following in my footsteps "exactly" where i had
    walked with his nose to the ground...  The reason i said exactly is
    because i had misjudged the location of my stand and missed it by 30
    yards or so and had to make an abrupt turn to go around some thick
    hemlock branches...  he followed my route to the tee. Now heres where
    my mistake caught me... i walked directly to my stand and so did he...
    leaving me no choice but a straight down shot at 3-5 yards... I Missed!
    don't ask me how, I can't figure out why...   
    
    
    He was a nice forkhorn, same one I had seen earlier in the season...
    He's leading a charmed life i'll tell ya...  Did he walk down the hill
    on his own... you be the judge... me, i'm using the drag rag from now
    on!!!
    
    Now if I could just learn to shoot!!!! ;^(
    
    Fra

    
    	One quick question.
    
    
    	Are there any state reg's on using 'artificial lures' scents,
    ect...?
    
    	Thanks
    	chuck

    
    re.29
    
     As far as I know I never heard of state regs for using scent.
    
    Now I have a question, Does anyone know were I can pick up some tinks
    69 in or near Hudson Ma.??? I'm taking tomorrow off and know were a
    good size buck lives and would like to try Fra's drag a rag trick! :').
    Thanks in advance.
    
    Gus
                                                   

    
    re.30
    
    	Thanks.  BTW, whereabouts in Hudson do you live??
    
    	As far as buying the lure, try Outdoors & more in Marlboro.  They 
    	are located near Marlboro Seafoods, on the street that runs from
    the Kentucky Fried Chicken towards the Hospital.(I don't know the name)
    	At the light on Lincoln street where Burts is, go towards Hudson,
    it is located on the left.
    
    	Chuck
    

Hello,

	Outdoors and more is on Mechanic st. in Marlboro. To get there from
Hudson. You can take rt 85 into Marlboro, at the set of lights by Navin
Skating rink take a right to go towards Stratus. Instead of going straight to
Stratus take a left. Follow this road all the way to the end, landmark to
look for is Kelleher Field on your left. At the end of the road take a left
onto Mechanic st. Outdoors and more is about 200 yrds on your left.

	A longer but easier way to get there is take 85 to main street
Marlboro. Take a right and go down main st, then bear right at the set
of lights towards Kentucky fried Chicken. This is Mechanic st. Go
straight thru set of lights and Outdoors and more is on your right.

/Ron

    
    
    re.31
    
        I live in Salem N.H. so I'm not familiar with Hudson at all. Our
    group just moved down from Andover Ma. Can you give me an exit # off of 
    495?? Thanks..
    
    Gus

    
    
    
        Thanks, I just read that after I entered my note.
    
        Gus.

    	I got mine at Kmart's in Leominster but I think any of the chain
    would have it.
    
    Andy
    

    Question on those new Tinks battery operated scent dispensers.
    
    Has anyone ever used one?  do they eat up the scent container
    quickly?  Seeing what tinks #69 does, I am sold on the product.  I
    bought a couple of the scent dispensers a couple of weeks ago, and am
    wondering what fellow hunters in the field think of the system?
    
    Should I take them back to Walmart and get my money back? At $15 a
    piece, they're still in the original container.  Or should I keep them
    and use them?
    
    Bob
    >>>>-----------> 43 daze away!
    

    
    
    
      Bob,
    
         $15.00 a piece for scent dispensers? I think that someone was
    pulling your leg to get you to buy something you dont need. I would 
    return them and get some 35mm film containers with cotton balls in them
    and they work just as well.
    
      And if you have a snooping spouse leave one laying around by your
    hunting garments and when the curiosity gets the best of them you wont
    have to worry about the snooping spouse again! ))*8 
    
       My wife still reminds me of that every once in a while!
    
                                                              Lee
    
    

    I used the film containers and the cotton balls last year, mr. buck
    tore the hell out of that area.  My question is, will the scent
    dispenser spread the scent out further, having a larger range?
    
    bob
    

    
    
      Bob, 
    I have no idea, but one thing that bothers me about this is I think you 
    said they are batery operated? do they tick or make any noise at all? 
    the reason I ask is I have had deer push the film containers and if
    these dispensers make a noise the deer may pick the sound up and be
    spooked off.
    
        I cant believe that those dispensers will put out anymore smell
    than a film canister will, and besides you dont want the area smelling
    like a whole bottle of that stuff was dumped out since that would seem
    unnatural., if you ever watch a doe urinate in a scrape, after she
    leaves go over to the scrape and check out the odor, what I mean is you
    should  notice the doe urine is not that strong, compared to the
    marketed kind. 
      It only takes a few drops in the film canisters to do the trick, a 
    deers nose is pretty powerfull.
    
                                                           Lee
    
     

    I agree with Lee on this.  I think alot of guys use the theory that if
    a little is good then alot is great!  Try to keep in mind that you want 
    everything as natural as possible.  If you load the area up with a 
    bucketfull of doe-P then it won't seem right to a buck.  Concentrate on
    limiting your own scent and creating as _natural_ a situation as
    possible.  Too much artificial scent is probably worse then none at
    all.
    
    Jeff

    Bob,
    
    Just off the top of my head, I would imagine that this battery
    operated unit probably passes a small current through the Tinks
    resivoir to warm it up, allowing faster evaporation.
    
    It probably allows the scent to cover more area without being too
    concentrated because of the faster evaporation rate.
    
    my $.02   
    
    Greg

    Using logic, I agree with .41.  What I am looking for is anybody's
    personal experience with the dispenser.  They are relatively new to
    the market, and have not been out that long.  If no one has ever used
    these things before, I guess I will be the first to tell how good or
    bad they are.
    
    bob
    

    The only problem i've had using Tinks, or any bottled liquid scent
    actually, is that they freeze up on cold days...  which, during mass
    archery could be the the whole season depending on how fickle mother
    nature is.
    
    These dispensers that Rich is talking about might prove invaluable on
    sub zero days...  I use the black 35mm canisters exclusively to take
    advantage of solor heating properties to keep the liquid from
    freezing, but on cloudy days or really cold days, all the sun in the
    world isn't going to help.
    
    I'd save em for a "rainy day" and use the 35mm cannisters till the
    tinks freezes... although that may not be a problem down south...
    
    Fra
    
    

    Secret hunting tip  - put your cannister on top of one of those 
    disposable hand-warmers on a crisp, calm morning. See vapor rise.
    See rack buck come sniffing. Shoot buck. 

    Secret hunting tip #2 - be sure to put your doe pee in a different
    pocket of your day pack than your lunch.  For optimal results, be sure
    to seal said cannister of doe pee in a zip lock bag.
    
    :^)
    
    Mark.

RE -1

The mental image is priceless 8^).  good tip....

Scott