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Title:The Hunting Notesfile
Notice:Registry #7, For Sale #15, Success #270
Moderator:SALEM::PAPPALARDO
Created:Wed Sep 02 1987
Last Modified:Tue Jun 03 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1561
Total number of notes:17784

914.0. "Hit by a car" by JUPITR::OTENTI () Thu Feb 21 1991 10:07

    
    
    saw a sad sight yesterday on my way home from work..for those
    who know the area..was coming off of the RT. 290 extension 
    towards hudson and i see a state trooper and a few guys standing
    around looking down the slight hill. I glance over and see a deer
    lying down in the grass..I pull over and walk down..the doe had
    been hit by a car and must have broken its back..it had absolutely
    no use of its back legs at all and was trying to drag itself away
    by using its front legs (knees?)..it was such a sorry sight..this
    big animal, trying like hell to pull itself back into the woods.
    It would pull itself up on its front knees and pull its body a
    few feet then collapse in exhaustion..then a few minutes later it
    would try again. The officer said he couldn't shoot it until he
    got permission due to any possible repercussions from animal rights
    people and other such groups..he was pissed!
    
    here was this poor animal lying there obviously it had to be destroyed
    and he had been waiting for nearly an hour to get someones approval..
    someone offered to do the job and the cop said he couldn't let him
    because it wasn't hunting season and the possibilites of problems
    created that way...i ended up leaving...another cop had just shown
    up and they were still waiting for a call.
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914.1It is a shameSALEM::TOWLE_CCorkyThu Feb 21 1991 10:4310
Sickening, but somehow I see it as being typical of that area of Mass.

 I had a similar experience many years ago. Fortunately it happened in NH as 
I was on my way to a target match so I was able to dispatch the deer with a 
30-06.

 If it'd have happened in Mass, I'd have probably ended up going to jail for 
ending the poor creatures misery.

  Corky
914.2FLYSQD::NIEMII'm the NRAThu Feb 21 1991 14:2911
    FLAME ALMOST ON                                                  
    
    Come on now people. Let us not rag on MA because of a dying deer.
    The police were only doing their job. If you want to rag a little
    why not rag on NH. I seem to recall driving down main street N.
    Conway with a deer on the roof of my car and having people throwing
    me the finger and putting their hands over the mouth and pointing
    at the poor butchered deer. Anti hunting -  animal killing
    sentiments are everwhere. Not just MA.............
                   
    SJN
914.3not raggin'JUPITR::OTENTIThu Feb 21 1991 14:548
    
    
     hell..i'm not ragging on the cop..i agree, he was doing his job..its
    just a shame he couldn't have shot the thing right then and there
    instead of having to wait until someone gave him permission to do it.
     its was just a sad sight to see the thing trying to pull itself away
    by its front legs and there wasn't anything we could do to put it out
    of its misery.
914.4WAHOO::LEVESQUENo easy way to be free...Thu Feb 21 1991 15:3814
>Let us not rag on MA because of a dying deer.
>    The police were only doing their job. If you want to rag a little
>    why not rag on NH.

 The "ragging" is on the political climate which makes it impossible to do the 
right thing. It was not the cop's fault for following his orders. It was the
person who gave the orders' fault. And as for "why not rag on NH?" the answer
is quite simple. The people who gave you the finger in NH did so because they
have been ineffective at changing the political climate to the point where one
cannot dispatch a mortally wounded and suffering deer. So they exercised their
right to free speech. BFD. They are the ones with the problem. At least you
can do the right thing in NH...

 The Doctah
914.5Lighten up will ya??SALEM::TOWLE_CCorkyFri Feb 22 1991 13:1910
RE: .2

 Nobodys "ragging on MA". As the Doctah said, it's the political climate that 
is being ragged on. 

 As for having people in N Conway flipping you the bird, I'd be willing to 
bet that 99 % of them are Mass transplants OR yuppie tourists from Mass... 


 Corky
914.6actually they were rich new yorkersKNGBUD::LAFOSSEFri Feb 22 1991 13:275
    In regards to mass transplants or yuppie tourists from mass...  I
    resent that implication in all manner of things...  I thought we were
    above making ignorant blanket statements such as that.
    
    fra
914.72nd thatROULET::RCONWAYFri Feb 22 1991 13:451
    I 2nd that last message!....and thank you .6
914.8Come on SIMLE out thereOASS::SOBCZYNSKI_LFri Feb 22 1991 15:3513
    
    Are we tunnel visioned that we can't take some kidding, I saw it has
    humorous, well be raised with a last name that ends in ...ski, I
    learned to always find the humor in remarks.  
    
    There was one thing I did notice at Logan.  When I walked into the
    airport with a cased rifle, they gave me cleared berth.  Came into ATL
    and they'd ask me what I was packing. guess its just a slight cultural
    diffences between MA and America.
    
    Cheers
    Leonard
     
914.9No Guts!IRWIN::OUELLETTEMon Feb 25 1991 12:005
 Let me get this straight! The cop was getting someone elses permission!!!
Who's this someone else? A trained expert hired by the State who decides on the 
legal, moral, and political ramifications of doing the right thing? Is he around
to help the police make a split second call when they use their gun for defense
or arrest. Were only talking human lives here, sorry I forgot myself.
914.10"Don't holler at me,"SHRFAC::MASSICOTTEMon Feb 25 1991 15:0811
    
    They operate like used car salesmen.  The one making the sale
    can NEVER ok the final price. He has to take off and see the 
    owner/mgr/chief crook.  This way those around him don't hit too
    hard.
    
    If it happened on a back road with no traffic in sight, you can
    bet the castle there wouldn't be any "permission" needed.  
    BANG!  In the trunk on plastic, and on the table next week.
    
    Fred
914.11I agree!IRWIN::OUELLETTEMon Feb 25 1991 15:481
But why a week to put it on the table?
914.12290 or 290 miles into the woods makes a differenceFSOA::EPETERSENMon Feb 25 1991 18:074
    needs to age a bit maybe??  I agree, anywhere else and it would
    have been a done deal.
    
    Erik
914.13ABO::AROMERO IT IS SICKENINGELMAGO::AROMEROThu Feb 28 1991 16:519
    I have just started to read this conference and it surprises me to
    find out that there is such a dis like for hunter in the Massachuses
    area. I am from Albuquerque N.M and I saw the same situation only
    with an elk, a state trooper pulled over and put him out of his
    misery. I hope we don't get any animal rites people like that over
    here. I don't know about the rest of you guys but if it wasn't for our 
    hunting dollars here in New Mexico I don't think that we would have very
    many deer, elk or other game you name it we have almost everything
    commen to North America except for moose.
914.14probably a local CYA typeSA1794::CHARBONNDYou're hoping the sun won't riseFri Mar 01 1991 10:0312
    re .13 I think this was a local cop, probably never had to deal with
    the situation before. Maybe the chief doesn't particularly encourage
    his officers to take initiative. Maybe the chief has had problems
    with anti-hunters from having put an animal away in a previous
    incident. 
    
    Mass. _is_ an ultra-liberal place, but there are still a lot of
    good 'ol boys and girls who like to hunt and fish, who like guns,
    the outdoors, camping, who understand about life and death in the 
    wild. Who know what the right thing to do is in a situation 
    like this. It's just that the ignorant have a _lot_ of pull in this
    state.
914.15only in the northODIXIE::RHARRISTue Mar 05 1991 19:298
    I understand that the north is full of ignorant narrowminded commie
    pinkos.  Is that true?  I know that down here in Georgia, it's just 
    good ole boys and a couple rednecks.  Don't worry though, the season
    for rednecks and narrow minded ignorant individuals is coming up next
    month.  And guess what, no limit!
    
    Bob
    
914.16A huntin' I did go-oooSHRFAC::MASSICOTTEThu Apr 04 1991 15:084
    
    Well, it's "next month", and where's rharris?  Hidin' downstairs!
    
    Fr.