Conference vmsnet::hunting$note:hunting

    
    Answer?
    
              To comemmerate the Henry Repeating Rifle??????
    
    

    Wow, that didn't take long.  Was it a WAG or did you know the
    answer all along?  Actually, though, it was to comemorate John
    Tyler Henry, the inventor of the Henry Repeating Rifle, but
    you answer is close enough.  By the way, I got this information
    from "The Complete Book of Shotguns and Rifles" by Jack
    O'Connor.
    
    Your turn.
    
    Jerry
         

    Okay, try this one on for size...
    
    What ONE cartridge has accounted for more dead elephants than any
    other?  Hint: Jim Carmichel fans may have a leg-up on this one.
    
    ("now lets see... how long was 600 Nitro Express popular in the great
    white hunter circuit???")
    
    <<< Tim >>>

    
    
    The 375 H&H ?
    
    Rick

    .458 Winchester Magnum. Jim Carmichael's favorite.
    Bret

    
     Either a .303 british or possibly a 7X57 mauser.  Mr Bell used
    both in Africa early in the 1900s.
    
    

    .30-06 Springfield.
    
    /brett

    It's a real shame.. but poachers use machine guns now... I'm not
    sure what caliber.. 350?
    
    Smitty
    

    The .416 RIGBY in a double rifle.
    
    
    ( I believe the .600 NITRO EXPRESS went out of existence in the
      early 50s.)  They were still available in 1948 thru Stoeger.)
    
    Fred

        
    
       My guess would have to be a 4 bore throwing solids.
    
                                                   Mark

    How bout the .416 Rigby?
    
    Fra

    awwww someone beat me to it!!

    I believe the 7x57 was correct. Solids & brain shots
    were Bell's specialty.

    Okay,
    
    1) Has the right answer not been given, hence the long delay in
       signalling the winner?
    
    2) What's the reference for this question?
    
    3) Wasn't SALEM::PAPPALARDO responsible for the next question?
    
    /brett

The long delay was entirely due to my inability to get back on the net.

You were all close... many good candidates out there...

The guess of 458 Win Mag was close as it IS Mr. Carmichal's favorite African
caliber.  However, the reference to a machine gun caliber was pretty close, too.

The answer 7.62mm NATO/308 Win!

JC says that currently, because rag-tag armies of underpaid soldiers in
third-world African countries (redundant description, eh?) are armed with
7.62mm NATO, these guys run around poaching to make up for short salaries.
At the very end of the chapter on African rifles, in The Book of the Rifle
Jim expresses his firm belief that beyond a shadow of a doubt, more poaching
is carried-out with 308/7.62mm than any other, and this one caliber may
ultimately be used to wipe elephants off the face of earth.

    How about this for a trivia question; Before Jack O'Connor settled
    on a .270 for what he called "the best all-around rifle" what was
    his favorite caliber? I hope I didn't step out of line here, but
    I would like to keep this trivia topic going.
    							Bret

    Answer to Bret's question:
    
    7mm Mag.
    
    /brett
    
    P.S. on the elephant question, I thought that my guess (.30-06) was
    pretty close (especially since .308 and .30-06 are .30 calibers).  I
    figured that .30-06 wasn't the *best* cartridge for elephant but I also
    figured that it would be some very common utility cartridge like a
    .30-06 used in military rifles.  Close?
    
    

    how bout .257 roberts
    
    fra

    Fra has it. The .257 Roberts is the correct answer. I guess I didn't
    come up with a hard enough question. But then Fra is such an advocate
    of Jack O. that I kind of new in the back of my mind he would get
    it. Got a good question in mind Fra?
    							Bret

    OK.... Here goes!
    
    Whats the favorite caliber of Alaskan big game outfitters?
    
    

    .300 WBY MAG?

    .338 win mag has it.... boy that didn't take long! 
    
    Fra

    well, while were waiting for a new trivia question, i have another.
    
    What is the added benifit of the extractor claw on the mauser bolt 
    action?
    
    Fra

    Posative feed control so that you cannot double load if the bolt is not
    closed on the first round and the action is cycled.
    
    Carl

    re. .27
    
    There was more to that reply than meets the eye.  Unfortunately,
    I lost my connection while I was writing it.  I'll try again.
    
    What I said was,
    
    Fra,
    
    How about giving us a clue or something?  Is reply .26 right?
    Is it even close?  How about giving us the answer and asking
    another question, or giving us a clue, or SOMETHING!!!  I'd
    kind'a like to see this topic continue.
    
    Jerry

    While we are awaitng Fra's answer, we might as well continue. If
    you guys/gals don't mind I will ask another question. Of the lower
    48 states which one state has a herd of caribou? I hope nobody minds
    me continuing this subject.
    							Bret
    

    
    
    MAINE
    
    Rick

    
    Maine, but I believe it is shrinking quickly?
    
    --Bob

    a few years ago Maine got 28 cows from Quebec so as to start a new
    herd. Once separated from the herd they slowly starved themselves
    to death. Maine is not the answer. I think the last native caribou
    was seen on Mt. Katadin in 1911. But I think there is actually 2
    states, but one herd migrates back and forth across the border.
    						Bret
    

    I forgot to add this to .32. All of the cows were impregnated.

    
    
       My EX-Brother-inlaw is a teacher at the U.M. in Orono. He was
    telling me about the Caribou they released. When they first got
    them a few died right off,,, I believe about 7 died.  They released
    6-8 a few years back and then i separated freom the wife and never
    got to talk to him again about the Herd.   Mabey i should call him..
    
    
        Also did any hear about the 2 hunters that were pulled from
    some bay south of Boston Friday Morning?  I guess they were duck
    or goose hunting....  Also they were in Bad shape..
    
    
                 Jeff

    My guess is Idaho.  A few years ago, when I was living in Salt Lake
    City, there was a report that a woodland caribou was sighted near
    the Utah-Idaho border.  I guess,though, that Washington and Montana
    are also candidates.
    
    Jerry

    Idaho is correct. Somewhere in the Selway/Bitteroot wilderness area
    is a herd of woodland caribou. Also I think (I could be wrong here)
    I was told there was a small herd located in the northern part of
    Michigan. I am not sure about this. .35 what is the next question?
    						Bret

    It's about time.  Not bad for a WAG.  OK, my question is a two
    parter, and more related to guns than hunting.  It's also easy.
    
    In how many calibers was the Winchester Model 88 rifle chambered?
    Name them.
    Just for fun, give the years that the Model 88 was in production
    and the years that it was manufactured in each caliber.
    
    Jerry

    MFG 1955-1975 WITH PARTS CLEANUP ASSEMBLED IN 1976.
    CAL .308  1955-END OF PRODUCTION
    CAL .243  1956-END OF PRODUCTION
    CAL .358  1956-1964
    CAL .284  1963-END OF PRODUCTION
    
    
    Regards
    Carl

    See, I told you it was an easy question.  However, I thought
    that the .358 was discontinued in 1962, no 1964.  Oh well,
    your turn.
    
    Jerry
    

    Who manufactured the WALKER COLT pistols??
    
    Carl
    

    	re. .40  Eli Whitney

    Duhhh, Taurus?
    

    .41 is correct. your turn
    
    carl

    
    re.14
    
                Its been a while to think of somthing good.
    
    Since the decade (80's) is over and more and more attention has come
    upon the scoring of "Antlered" game animals let see who may have been
    paying attention to whats happened.
    
    Question: What are the top 3 states (U.S.) in total number of Bucks
    --------- taken with a minimum score within the Boone & Crockett 
              guidelines both Typical(160) & Non-Typical (185) combined?
    
    
                                                           Guy
     

    Montana, Wyoming and uhhhh....uhhhh.....Idaho.
    
    /brett

    Iowa, Ohio and Wyoming? Those would be my guesses.
    					Bret

    
    Based on a listing of 25 states posted in the survey i'll post answers
    to the states replied.
    
                    Iowa      #2
                    Ohio      #4
                    Montana   #15
                    Idaho     #23
                    Wyoming   #22
    
    Well you guys have one (1) of the top three (3) so far.
    
                                                                Guy
    

    Michigan and Minnisota?
    
    Mike

    
    
    Pennsylvania and Alabama?
                             

    
    
    	I agree with someone else, Wisconsin, Minnesota, and Montana
    
    - Rob
    

    
    	- after re-reading Guy's msg (.47)....  I meant to say
    Wisconsin, Minnesota, and Iowa...

    I'll guess Nebraska and Illinois.
    
    Jeff

    Illinois  and  Minesota.
    
    Jim

    
    Arizona and Utah ???

    
    RE.52    Is the winner, He has all 3 but not in the correct order.
    
                  #1   Minnesota       1051     of all time in both catagories
                  #2   Iowa             929
                  #3   Wisconsin        850
                  #4   Ohio             683
                  #5   Michigan         444
                  #6   Indiana          402
                * #7   Nebraska         365
                * #7   Missouri         365
                  #8   Illinois         354
                  #9   Kansas           300
                  #10  Maine            287
                  #11  Georgia          246
                  #12  New York         236
                  #13  Texas            178
                  #14  South Dakota     160
                  #15  Montana          157
                  #16  Oklahoma         100
                  #17  Kentucky          89
                  #18  West Virginia     86
                  #19  Tennessee         72
                  #20  Mississippi       39
                  #21  Washington        38
                  #22  Wyoming           21
                  #23  Idaho             13
                  #24  Colorado          12
    
    All info was taken from a published article without permission from
    the February 1990 edition of North American Whitetail.
    
    Now its SKIVT::WENER (re.52) turn to put something in............
                                                       
    
                                                        Guy
    

    Guy,
    
    	Do I understand that these stats are for the period of jan 1980
    thru dec. 1989?
    
    I find it interesting that Pennsylvania was not in them at all.
    
    There are parts of Pa with some really big dear particularly the
    area's near West Virginia and Ohio. 
    
    also where might Vermont or New Hampshire be? I realize the
    total deer kill is down but there are some really nice deer.
    
    Also I wonder how many deer that would qualify are never really
    examined or measured for the points.
    
    Good info.
    Bear

    So I didn't get the question correct, here's one anyway.
    
      Fish and Game personel in MA and other eastern states have noticed
    a "new" breed of geese.  These birds are aprox. 30% larger then
    normal Canadian Geese.  They also tend to stay put in one general
    area all year, rather then migrate.  These are the larger geese
    that you see in local lakes and on golf courses throughout the 
    winter.  Now for the question:
    
    Where did these geese originate and why don't they migrate?
    
    Jeff

    re. the top states for bucks
    
    	I assume you meant white tail bucks.  Do you have any stats
    	for real deer (ie muley's  ;^)  )!
    
    Clay_who_hunts_muley's_in_Colorado

    re .58:
    
    Jeff, that's easy.  They originated in Boston,  Wellsley, Concord,
    etc and they stay in Massachusetts because there's no cultcha anyplace
    else.
    
    /brett
    

    Yea, they send the rejects to Spokane.
    
    Jeff

    Actually the reason they don't get up and fly away from the golf
    courses is they eat all the golf balls and the weight from them
    is too much for them to fly.
    							Bret

    
    re.57
             Bear, I don't know why all states aren't listed, in the
    breakdown the catagories list "Typicals of all Time", over 160 pts.
    in the 80's, over 180 pts.in the 80's, "Non-Typicals of all Time", 
    over 185 pts in the 80's, and over 210 pts. in the 80's. Also they
    do list in the notes that even though B&C score entries start at
    170 Typical and 195 Non-Typical information was taken when it was
    available for 10 points below minimum. 
    
    re.59
            I believe if you check again you will see my info came from
    the North American Whitetail magazine. Now if Whitetails aren't "Real
    Deer" how come I've never seen a regular publication of "Muledeer"!!
    When I go out West my plans are to hunt Elk & Mule Deer and from
    talking with the guide he says that past history hunting with them
    in Montana there success rate was about 99% on shots.
    
                                                              Guy
    
    

    Mule deer, aren't they them deer with the funny looking ears?
    I heard that there so stupid that Stevie Wonder even shot one.
    
    Jeff 8*)

    	I lived in New England for forty years, and was able to wlk up on
    many whitetails, I haven't had that kind of luck on Mulies.
    
    	There are no Mulie publications because we've been trying to keep
    them a secret to avoid getting neck deep in Eastern hunters.  :^)
    
    	George

    
    re: .57 
    
    Bear,
    	As for Vermont, as far as I know there has only been one official
    B&C recording, Taken in Canaan...  There have apparantly been several
    (not sure exact number) found dead for  whatever reason.  The Largest
    Vermont Buck was found in Pittsfield and scored somewhere near 180.
    
    I need to think of a good question....
    
    - Rob
    

    JERRY,
    
    re:.28
    Sorry bout not getting back with the answer... was out for a week on
    vaca, positive fed control was the answer... don't know bout the double
    cycling thing though...
    
    Fra

    Whats the answer to the goose question? I haven't a clue other than
    they are getting domesticated and find good refuge in these places.
    							bret

    Well since no one even attempted a guess, heres the answer.  These
    "super" geese are direct descendants of the live decoys that market
    hunters use to use.  They bred them for size so that they were more
    visable.(same reason we use Magnum decoys).  They also tried to
    breed out the instinct to migrate, so that they wouldn't leave.
    When live decoys were outlawed, alot of these domesticated birds
    were let loose.  They ended up breeding with truely wild geese,
    but maintained there large size.

    Two days later and no one has come up with another question? I'll
    give it another shot. This one is probably too easy. Why in the
    past 20 years or so has the coyote population grown so fast? There
    is one BIG reason for this.
    							Bret

    I'll wager a guess.  There are no longer people trapping and poisoning
    them?  
    
    Jeff

	Has the rabbit population been high the past few years??

	Jim

    because their so adaptable? or because on the way east they mated with
    wolves and have yeilded a larger breed?
    
    gave it a shot.   fra

    Greater deer population?
    
    /brett

     No known pedator except man, and they have adapted well to
     suburban/urban buildups.
    
    	Red

    .75 has it. Coyotes only predator was the wolf, which has declined
    in population. In turn Coyote populations have exploded, and also
    the habitat loss due to delevopment has compacted animal herds making
    it easier for the coyotes to thrive. Got a good question in mind
    Red?
    							Bret

no no

the real reason is that coyotes are cute (like bambi).

/. Ian .\

    Another reason is that all those nice city folks who move to the
    outskirts of Tucson, Phoenix, El Paso, Las Vegas, Albuquerque, etc, 
    keep feeding them nice fat pet cats and dogs.  8-)
    
    Len
    

    What percent of the top 50 places in the Boone and Crockett
    typical category were taken during the first 5 years of
    the 1980's ?
    
    	Red

    60% ???
    
    Fra

    
    Lower......    About 20%...
    
                Jeff

	Close, but no cigar........
    
    	Keep trying guys.
    
    	Red

    
    
        37 1/2 ???????????????     (-:  (-:
       
          
    
          I can't wait to see this figure.....
    
      
       Jeff

    Jeff,
    
    	Evens only. Re-read the question. Your so high your illegal.
    
    Red

    
    
    
       5%....
    
    
       Jeff

     I'm off until Sunday, so to keep things going, I'll let
     Mr. Stevens go for the next question as his 5 % was close. The
     actual % was 10.
    
     Go for it Jeff..
    
     Red

    Re: .76
    		I heard on PBS last nite that the Maine fish and wildlife
    dept. was considering the reintroductin of "timber wolves" in the
    state.  Hmmmmm!
    
    what_happens_when_I_hunt_a_GSP_bitch_in_heat???  Jack

    1.  What was "AD TOPPERWEIN" noted for?
    
    2.  Back in the mid 60s I used to hunt the Norwich, VT. area 
        a lot. There was a gun shop just off RT 5 run by Billy
        Devoux.  He had, for a few years, hanging on the wall a
        tripple barreled weapon of which I cannot remember the
        name of but it had 2 12 ga. barrels side by side and 
        centered underneath was a .30 caliber "ADOLF EXPRESS".
        This cartridge looked to be about an inch longer than 
        than the '06.  He only had about a dozen cartridges and
        said they were collectors items going about $20 ea.
        The gun had about a $1200.00 tag on it at that time.
    
                    ANYONE SHED ANY LIGHT??

    Ad T. was an exhibition shooter many years ago.

    What you saw was a European 'drilling' - twin shotgun 
    barrels over a rifle barrel. Useful for mixed-bag
    hunting (like deer and pheasants at the same time.)
    
    The '30. Adolph could have been a proprietary cartridge of
    the manufacturer. Sorta like the Weatherby magnums.

    Last night I was reading an issue of the Rifleman from '69 that refered
    to this round in the dopebag. The .30 Adolph was developed by Newton
    for a man named Adolph. Several years later, the cartridge was renamed
    the .30 Newton. The article stated that the ballistics are very similar 
    to the .300 H & H magnum.
    
    
    Carl
    

    Since there has not been much activity here for a couple of days
    I thought I would add another trivia question. What cartridge gave
    Roy Weatherby the idea for the design of his famous Weatherby Magnums?
    							Bret

    
    
    
    	.308 Norma Magnum  ???
    

    300 H&H!
    

    don't forget that the cartridge that gave him the idea already had
    the now famous "double radius" design! So far the survey and ticket
    are both wrong. 
    							Bret

    .300 Win
    
    /brett

    If the .300 Win is the answer, i'll be pi$$ed. 8^)  cause the .300 win
    was based off of the .300 H&H, as were a couple of others...
    
    Fra

    HOW BOUT THE .30 NEWTON??
    
    CARL

    Keep guessing. I will give you guys a hint though, it is not a 30
    caliber round. That should make some people scratch their heads.
    							Bret

            a wild guess .264 mag
    
    
    Bill

    .257 ROBERTS???    IT WAS WORTH A SHOT!
    
    STILL THINK ITS THE .300 H&H.
    
    FRA
    

    Given Weathery's mindset, if it wasn't a .30 caliber round I would
    think it would be something big....like .475 or, whatizit?, .458?
    
    /brett

    How about the .375 H&H Magnum?

    
    
    .51 CALIBER SHARPS BUFFALO CANNON.
    

    	 Lets try this the first Weatherby production cartridge was
    	 .270 Weatherby MAG made from a .300 H&H MAG case but developed
    	 from the .220 Weatherby Rocket, which had its ancetry in the
    	 .220 SWIFT.
    
    
    	 Bill 

    keep trying. I will give you another hint. The round was mentioned
    in this particular note before I asked this particular trivia question
    and it is not the 300 H&H, and not a 30 caliber. I also said that
    the round already had the double radius design on the shoulder which
    Weatherby made famous. All of the guesses given have straight
    shoulders. Does everyone give up?
    							Bret

    One more hint, Brett is the closest so far. Look at his headline,
    maybe that might help.
    							Bret

    ok... heres a WAG  
    
    .458 Win Mag!
    
    Fra, who will now concede on this one 8^)

    I already guessed .458.
    
    I think the obvious answer is that Weatherby's biggest round was his
    first round.  I just can't remember what that is off the top of my
    head.  I meant to look it up last night.  His early rounds were
    for african game hunting, ie elephants, right?
    
    Just one question.  What's a double radius shoulder?
    
    /brett

    re. .108
    
    		Weatherbys first commercial round was .270 Weatherby Mag.
                in 1943 followed by .300 Weatherby Mag. 1944.
    
    	Bill 

    A double radius shoulder is rounded, not like a shoulder on a 30/06.
    There are no sharp angles. In reloading manuals (I think Lyman or
    Hornady has it) they show the shoulders as having 2 radius', one
    one the inside of the shell casing and one on the outside. And I
    think the radius is the same for both, not sure on that one. Actually
    I think a .458 would be a straight shoulder, is it not? I don't
    know if I explained it right or not. I am not sure what his first
    round was, but I think it was the .300 Weatherby Magnum. If no one
    has the right answer by 2pm edt I let out my secret.
    							Bret 

    I guess I was wrong on the 300WM.

    I hate to be picky, but it's now 2:12 edt.
    
    2:00 est will be in 48 minutes, though.
    
    :-) 

    Well Bret you were right on the .458 win mag.... its a straight walled
    case, no shoulder whatsoever...  good guess huh! 8^)
    
    Dying to find out what it is... it's driving me crazy here...  I can
    see it now, it's probably something goofy like a .600 Nitro express or
    something!
    
    Fra

    I meant EST!

    Roy Weatherby took the .416 Rigby added a magnum belt and necked
    down to his desired calibers. I don't know the reason behind selecting
    this certain case style. But the .416 Rigby has rounded or double
    radius type shoulders. But Roy did think big as this case will hold
    lots of powder. Does this mean I get to ask another? 
    							Bret

     	Bret what is the basis for your info?
    
     	Catridges of the World 5th ed. states that his first round 270
     	and 300 are all based 300 H&H mag case.
    
    	Bill

    I had read it earlier but don't know where at the moment. He may
    have used the size of the 300 H&H but I do know that the shoulder
    design on his cases came from the .416 Rigby. I will try and dig
    it up tonight. As far as I know there were no other cases like the
    Rigby shoulder except now with the Weatherby. Jim Carmicheal keeps
    popping in my mind, I think from a shooting article from Outdoor
    Life, this being from Weatherby's new .416WM introduced last year
    and it's shoulders (along with the other WM's) coming from the .416
    Rigby.
    							Bret

    re:.116  Agreed!
    
    Bret, your original question stated: "what cartridge gave Roy Weatherby
    the idea for the design of his famous Weatherby magnums?"   No mention
    of "double radius shoulders".
    
    The 300 H&H case has formed the basis for many notable cartridge
    developments, most important amoung them *THE ORIGINAL SERIES OF 
    WEATHERBY MAGNUM CARTRIGES*.  The .270 Wea Mag was actually the
    first case that Roy Weatherby derived from the necked down 300 H&H
    case, it incorporates the Weatherby double radius shoulder.
    
    A little know fact about the .416 Rigby is that it was the father of 
    3 larger weatherby cartridges; .378 Wea Mag, .460 Wea Mag, and the
    latest .416 Wea Mag.  In 1953 Roy, took the .416 Rigby, made a few
    changes to the neck/shoulder, added his trademark to the base and the 
    .378 Wea Mag was born. Both the .460 Wea Mag and .416 Wea Mag were
    based off the new .378 Wea Mag case.
    
    These developments, though based off of the .416 Rigby, came many 
    years after his original series of weatherby mags.
    
    I too am looking forward to hearing, where you got this double radius 
    shoulder info from.
    
    Fra

    Fra,
        I agree with aloty of what you said, but the only case at the
    time that had a "rounded" or "double radius" shoulder was the .416
    Rigby. But I guess I did word the question wrong. What I meant was
    what cartridge gave Roy Weatherby the idea for his double radius
    design. All of his Weatherby Magnum Cartridges have this. Wether
    he incorporated this and others to make one of his designs I don't
    know, but I do remember reading that the .416 Rigby played a very
    big part in the designs of his Wetherby Magnums. I'll do some more
    looking tonight.
    							Bret

    I have not had much luck in locating the article nor have I had
    much time. Whoever is next let the question fly. In the meantime
    I will keep looking.
    							bret

    OK, I figure since I was the closest (dead on actually ;^)...) to the
    correct answer... i'll put in another question till Bret turns up
    anything.
    
    Whats the worlds most accurate factory centerfire hunting rifle and
    cartridge?
    
    If your good... Who developed the cartridge?
    
    Fra

    Let me guess.
    
    Remington 700 BDL with a .270 Remington cartridge.
    
    Designed by.......John Browning.
    
    /brett
    

    wise ass!  8^)
    
    oh... and btw it's .270 Winchester...   and another thing! your not
    even close!!!! it was a marlin pump with 1oz slugs 8^)
    
    Fra
    

    Breneke slugs?
    
    Then how about a .25-06 or 6mm in a Browning A-bolt?
    
    Geez, I thought I had it there for a minute.

    How about the 22 Zipper ? I think that's what it was called ?
    
    
    	Red

    How about that Add I saw 9 months or so ago about a new record at
    300 yards. All 5 shots were in the same hole. I don't remember the
    particulars of the add. Actually they had 5 shots in .310 inches
    or something like that.
    
    would it have any thing to do with that. The number above is not
    acurate but the shooting sure was.
    
    Bear

    
    	I have read that the .308 Nato cartridge is the most 
    accurate .30 caliber (alias .308 Winchester). 
    
    	Whatever the rifle is, it's probably a match rifle... with mauser
    action.

    
    re .126
    
    That may be the add that I have seen on the back of several hunting
    magazines.  The add is for Leupold scopes. The guy used a custom built
    rifle and an off the shelf Leupold scope, something like a 39x scope.
    
    Guess holding a 1-2 inch group would not impress this guy.
    
    --Bob

    Heres a couple of hints... it's not a .22 or a .30 caliber
    
    Fra

    I saw a few old timers drilling 6mms through bullseyes without fail
    at 200 yards at my club one day.  I can't imagine that a gun could be
    more accurate....maybe other than a .220 swift, which I don't count as
    a hunting round.
    
    Are you sure it's not a 6mm?
    
    /brett

    
    	It wouldn't be a .25/6mm by any chance.
    
    	Bill

    How about a .50 caliber rifle fired from a browning automatic
    reciolless rifle? my $.02
    							Bret

    ok....  it is a 6mm.... but which one? in what rifle? and who were 
    the wildcaters?
    
    fra
    
    ps... Bret any info yet?

    Ha!
    
    What do you mean which one?  You mean there's more than one?
    
    .25-06    That's the 6 mm, right?
    
    It's got to be a bolt action, so I'll guess Remington BDL because
    it's an OSF standard.
    
    Wildcatters....there'se more than one?  Is that a hint?  
    
    Smith and  Wesson.
    
    I give up.
    
    /brett

    My WAG....
    
    Thompson/Center TCR rifle
       
    T/CU   Wess Ulgade (aka Mr. Wildcat)
    
    
    My first trivia anwser, so please don't laugh too hard if it's
    out in left field....

    
    	6mm PC
    
    

    Well, Bills got the cartridge (close enough) 6mm ppc
    
    re: Brett... 25-06 is a .25 caliber not a 6mm
    
    any guesses on the rifle/wildcatters???
    
    Fra

    How about an explanation of how this cartridge was determined to be
    the most accurate.  I'm not contesting your statement, just curious.
    
    Jerry

	re .137

	How about SAKO?


			~Mike~

    Mikes got the rifle... Its a Sako single-shot Varminter in 6MM PPC
    
    Anyone got the creators of the round just for sh!ts and giggles???
    
    Bill your up with the next question!
    
    As far as info... (American Ammo, E. Matunas)
    
    It is without debate the worlds most accurate cartridge. It has
    established almost every possible benchrest record.  The phenominal
    accuracy of this cartridge makes it no big task to put 10 rounds into
    a group measuring less than 1/4" at 100 yards.  Its accuracy is so
    superior it has almost excluded all others from competition.
    
    Fra

    I don't havethe names of the creators of hand there where two of
    them and I can give them to you later along with the next question
    which has to do with .30 cal.
    
    	Bill

    re .133 Fra, I haveen't much luck or time for that matter. But I
    may still yet as I am in the process of cleaning out my closet,
    but in the meantime I will consider your answer correct and myself
    wr..., wr..., wr..., allright wrong! Just kidding. Haven't a clue
    on the latest question.
    						Bret

    The 6mm PPc was developed bye Dr. Louis Palmisano and Ferris Pindell.
    
    Next question is Holland & Holland is bringing out a new Double Rifle
    based on a cartridge developed by Jim Bell president of Bell Basic 
    Brass And William Feldstein the cartridge will be made by Bell Basic
    Brass. This will be the most powerfull sporting cartridge in the world.
    Now all we need is a name fore the bea?
    
    	Bill
    
    This is not the .30 cal question 

    What nobody has any ideas, how about a guess on the caliber? If nothing 
    bye monday I will enter the answer.
    
    	Bill

    DON'T HAVE THE FAINTEST IDEA....
    
    FRA

     Ok no guesses
    so the answer is     "700 NITRO EXPRESS"
    this is a true .700 caliber the bullet is a solid copper clad steel
    with a soft lead core and the weight is 1,000grs. The case is 3.5"
    and the loaded shell is 4.2" long the charge is 180grs of 4831 powder
    with a MV of 2000fps and ME of 8900fpe.
    
    	Bill

    any NEW questions?

    Okay, noone got the last question so I will ask one.  What was the
    last year that AKC sanctioned field trials were run for cocker
    spaniels in the U.S.?
    	Linda

    How about 1940 ??
    
    	Red

    	Later than 1940.
    		Linda

    Well lets see...Around the 1965 time frame, it had been almost
    a quarter of year since they were used as such. After that time
    the breed started to become a domestic house dog. I'll raise
    my ante to the 1945- 1950 time frame. Close yet Linda ?
    
    Red

    Well Red, now I'll have to go look it up to make sure that I
    have the right answer.
    	Linda

    Got you thinking on that one Linda .......
    
    Red

    Linda,
    
    	Still reasearching the right answer ?
    
    Red

    Did this topic die a slow death ? Where did everyone go ? 
    
    Red

    All right, I'll pose a new question just to get thinks going again.
    
    The question is:  Name the top three states and give their rankings
    in terms of annual whitetail deer harvest (that is, number of deer
    killed) in recent years.  The information on which I am basing my
    conclusions is several years old, and may no longer be valid.
    So, if you think you know, state your source and we'll go from
    there.
    
    Jerry
    
    Hint:  It's not Rhode Island, Mass. and Connecticut.

    
    my source: my head (not to reliable, but maybe I'm close)
    
    1. Texas
    2. Alabama
    3. Michigan or Wisconsin.
    
    Ok, did I get any of them?
    
    --Bob

    My try....
    
    1. Texas
    2. So. Carolina
    3. Alabama
    
    Red

    Lets try
    Michigan
    Wisconsin
    Kansas   ( I know the author is from Kansas )
    
	Did you ever wonder how these stastistics were gathered.
    For instance in Pennsylvania they have a volintary reporting system
    and when I lived there Nobody would report a deer kill.
    I beleive it was against the law not to report it but it effectively
    was volintary. You had to tag adeer and when you got home in some time
    frame you were to report kill to state which I would be surprised
    if 30 % did. 
    
    Here in New England I think kills are more acurately recorded.
    
    In my opinion hunter success rate is a better scale at judgeing
    how good a state is for hunting than the total deer killed.
    
    How could I omit Texas
    
    How about
    Texas
    Michigan
    Kansas ???
    
    Bear
    

    1. Iowa
    2. Ohio
    3. Minnesota
    
    
    
    
    Did I even come close?				bret

    Texas
    Pennsylvania
    Mississippi

    I'll help you out a little.  Texas is number 1 and Michigan is number
    2.  So far, no one's even mentioned the state which is ranked number
    3.  So, let's change the question to what is the third ranked state.
    The answer will probably surprise you, it sure surprised me.
    
    Jerry
    
    P.S.  It's not Kansas, and by the way, I'm escaping here and moving
    to Colorado in 2 weeks.

    hows this???
    
    
    Texas (definately #1)
    Michigan #2
    Georgia #3
    
    These others are right up there too, and depending on when your stats
    were taken all could be relatively close...
    
    #4 Wisconsin
    #5 Alabama
    
    Fra

    Texas
    Michigan
    New York

    How about Florida for #3.
    
    /brett
    

    Since no one has guessed the right state (or guessed at all for the
    last day), I'll give the answer I was looking for.  First of all,
    my source is a 2 or 3 year old edition of Field and Stream, Midwest
    edition.  The part of the magazine where the individual states
    are discussed is where I got the information.  Now for the rest
    of the story.
    
    The answer is:       Missouri
    
     It surprised me, too.
    
    Since nobody got this one, I'll ask another one.  What state ranks
    first in the number of non-resident hunting licenses sold.  Again,
    my source is a bit dated and if someone can prove otherwise, I'll
    back off.
    
    Jerry
    
    Hint:  It's not Kansas

    Penn.
    
    Jeff

    
    
     Wyoming.....
    
                                          Mark

    I'll try this,
    
    Alaska?

    MISSOURI?!?!?!?!?  Wow, they must have had a booming year
    
    1988 they only took 150K deer... thats 150k less than the #5 state for
    1988 
    
    #3 in what? 86-87?
    
    1988 results:
    
    Texas      		480K
    Michigan   		375K
    Georgia    		330K
    Wisconsin		310K
    Alabama    		300K
    New York  		204K
    Pennsylvania	195K
    *Missouri*		150K
    Minnisota		149K
    Louisiana		140K
    
    Jerry, I don't doubt your data.... what a difference a couple of years
    can make though...
    
    Fra

    how bout Idaho?
    
    fra

    .re .170
    
    Fra,
    
    It appears to me that your data may be more reliable than mine.
    It could very well be that I have some misinformation.  Just
    for grins, what is your source?
    
    Jerry

    Montana.
    
    /brett
    

    Jerry, not to worry bout it....this is all for fun anyways...
    
    I got my info from Peterson's Hunting (Oct 89)
    
    Fra

    Missouri might have been a good guess for someone that doesn't already
    have two guesses entered.
    
    /brett
    

    As this question seems to be a stumper, I'll go ahead and give the
    answer and turn to floor over to whomever wants it.  Surely, the
    last two questions have revived some forgotten tidbit for someone.
    
    The answer I'm looking for is Utah.  When I first moved there in
    1983, I remember reading a pamphlet published by the State Tourism
    Commission.  The pamphlet flatly stated that the state of Utah
    sold more non-resident hunting licenses than any other state.  After
    living and hunting there for 4 years, I can believe it.
    
    Utah is about 80% public land, much of it national forest.  There
    are plenty of places to hunt.  In addition, a non-resident license
    and deer tag is only about $120-130.  Couple this with the fact
    that it's the closest state to California with a easily huntable
    Mulie population, and it all adds up.  In fact, I knew one guy
    who grew up in the southwest corner of the state (St. George)
    who flat out hated California hunters just because there were
    so many of them.  Also, Utah attracts a lot of Texas hunters.
    
    One other thing.  You wouldn't believe the madness which precedes
    the opening day of the annual rifle deer season.  It seems like
    everybody in the state hunts.  They don't even call it deer season,
    they call it the "deer hunt".
    
    Now, someone else can take a turn.
    
    Jerry

    I'll bite. What state does NOT sell non-resident Deer permits/licenses
    This one's easy....Just to keep things rolling.
    
    Red

    Hawaii
    
    Kansas??
    
    Rich

    The answer I believe was discussed in this notes file awhile ago.
    
    
    Kansas.
    

    Yeah, the answer is definitely Kansas.  Also, until recently (1 or 2
    years ago), I believe Iowa also did not sell non-resident licenses.
    
    Jerry

	Iowa STILL does not sell non-resident licenses. 
	I makes me so mad I could chew nails..

				Jim

    Re. 179
    
    		Rick,, you were the first right one ( Kansas ). Opps,
    forgot it was discussed before, but what the heck, it keeps the
    topic from becomeing stale/old.
    
    	Your turn Rich.
    
    Red

    For a solution to the problem of license fees in different
    states, and 'resident only' hunting, how about reciprocal 
    fees ? Nonresident pays what *you* would pay in *his*
    state ? You can't hunt there ? Bye, fella.

    ok.... 
    
    just to revive some interest...  
    
    1. When icefishing, how much weight can 36" of ice hold?
    
    2. Whats the only way to tell a male from a female pronghorn antelope?
       besides the sex organs....
    
    3. Name the 4 trophy judgement categories used on elk antlers by the
       Boone & Crocket Club?
    
    
    Fra

    #2  Well, a female can have horns, but they rarely extend past the
    	tips of the ears.  The telltale sign is that the male has a
    	black cheek patch.  What do I win?
    
    Clay

    Clays got the answer to #2...  you win an all expense paid trip to....
    
    fra

    To where Ray?  I've got my suitecase packed!  ;^)
    
    I may be way off base, but, I think two of the categories for
    #3 are "royal" and "monarch".  Maybe I should quit while I'm
    ahead!
    
    Clay

    no more guesses????
    
    i'll give ya till tomorrow...
    
    Fra

    
    Fra,
    
    I'll take a guess at #1, how about 2700 lbs.?
    
    Kevin

    
    answers: 
    
    1. how much weight can 36" of ice hold...  100 tons!
    2. only male antelopes have the black ring like pattern under the jaw.
    3. four tropy judgement categories used on elk...  beam length, spread,
       circumference and symmetry.