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                      TOOK IT WITH A .270 NO DOUBT... 8^)

    
    RE.1
    
              5 Shots with a .308, the hunter is also a senior supervisor
    at Thompson Center Arms, Rochester,NH. The weight is unofficial at this
    time, but if is true there will be something published very soon.
    
                                                                Guy
    

    
     Now i wouldn't of shot it.... To small....  (-:
    
       It musta been fun draggin out....
    
    
    
    Jeff

    I just got off the phone with the Fish and Game dept. and I can't
    believe what they told me. Apparantly it will not be recognized
    as a state record because the guy did not gut it out and it is a
    live weight and not a field dressed weight. In N.H. they want the
    sex organs attached to determine sex. This is the second time I
    have heard about someone not gutting out a bear. Stupid if you ask
    me. Plus the guy that shot it is a resident of Colebrook. I would
    think it must have been fun gutting out afterwards. Must have had
    to use mustard gas masks. Anyways the 475 lbs. bear taken last year
    still stands as the official record and the 550 lbs. bear taken
    in the 1960's still stands as the unofficial record, whatever that
    is worth, this is according to the N.H. Fish and Game.
    								Bret

    I have been hunting up in the White Mts. for Black Bear (have been
    for the last 13 years for bear in the same spots). A couple of weeks
    ago my brother shot at a bear in a tree. He was about 50 yards away
    when he seen it climb up a tree. It was very noisy in the woods
    that day, he took a couple of stepps and seen the bear looking for
    noise (at least it seemed that way to him) so he hurried over to
    the tree. Well the bear started to come down the tree when he had
    seen my brother. When Scot got about 30 feet from the tree the bear
    stopped on a limb about 30 feet up and started hissing at him. 
    (This struck me as peculiar, hissing?, heard them grunt before and
    so forth) Well my brother took aim (he aimed for the shoulders)
    and fired. The bear started to fall but on the way down the bear
    reached out and clawed the tree to slow it down before hitting the
    ground. Scot said the bear still fell to the ground fairly fast.
    As soon as it hit the ground it took off running. Hefired 2 more
    shots while it was running but thought he did not hit it. The woods
    were pretty thick up near the top of this mountain. Anyways after
    he had shot at the bear he noticed a cub coming down out of the
    tree, explains the hissing I guess. The cub took off after the mother.
    He could not find no other blood from the sow besides the 2 drops
    at the base of the tree. He soon lost the tracks of the bear after
    tracking it for awhile. This happened early in the morning. He found
    me and we took off  to the last place he had seen his quarry. We
    went back over the tracks and we tracked it up over the top of the
    mountain again and we still could not find anymore blood, not one
    drop. I have talked to some other people and they say bears don't
    bleed real good for awhile, but after tracking her for half a mile
    I would think that something might show up if she was hit real good.
    I think my brother shot a bit high (I used to own the rifle and
    I know it shoots a bit high at 100 yards) plus he said he was a
    little excited. But are bears slow bleeders? We went up last weekend
    again (one week later) and still could not find anything.
    							Bret

    The bear I shot @ 100 yards with a 30-06 bled like a stuck pig.
    There was no blood within the first 5 or so yards but from then
    on there was alot. 
    
    The thick hair on a bear will hold some blood but not enough
    that there would not be a blood trail within 1/2 mile.
    
    Mark

                            -< bears and bleeding >-

	I shot a bear with by bow a few years back and I also noticed
	a very poor blood trail.  The fat deposits under the skin appeared
	to have partially plugged the holes.  That may have been what
	you experienced.  
	
							Jim
	
	PS - I will never shoot another bear with a bow - they're tough!.

    Why not? Because it was tough to track? I'd really like to know,
    I was thinking of trying bowhunting over bait one of these years!

	The first point is that the trailing was extremely dificult.

	The most important point is that they are tough to kill.  I have
	read many stories that say black bears are not hard to kill, but
	most of them are using rifles.  My first shot (88lb bow) struck the 
	bear in the left front shoulder and exited thru the oposite hind
	leg.  The bear took off like a shot.  The blood train was non-
	existant.  I came upon the bear by following the general direction
	the bear had taken.  It was rolling on the gound on the egde of
	a steep hill, so I thought I would shoot again so it would not
	continue to roll down the hill (truck was back up on top).  I
	shot the bear in the rear quarter angling the arrow up into the 
	chest and it exited out the shoulder (other side).  Instead of
	expiring, the bear got up.  It looked around, saw me standing 
	there at 20 feet, and looked me right in the eyes.  I still get 
	tingles when I think about it.  Anyway, I shot the bear a 3rd time
	as it was walking towards me.  The arrow lodged in the brain.

	Not even elk can withstand that much destruction, I've taken
	4 elk and 11 deer with a bow and have never witnessed anything
	like that bear.  

	If I did do it again, I would shoot one from over bait with me in
	a tree, I would wait longer before persuing the wounded animal, and 
	I would not get so close if it were still alive.


							Jim

    
    Barry,
    
    
    When you do decide to check into Bowing a Blacky over Bait let
    me know and mabey we can hook up....   I still wanta GRIZZLY with
    the bow.... (-:
    
    
                 Jeff

    re .9
    
    	Roger Chang (westfield plant) I have hunted bear with a bow
    and in canada.  This was over bait they have a real bear problem
    up there in Chibougamau which is about 14 hours from here. The owner
    of the camp instructed us just what to do , look for and how to
    get a good quick kill. I dropped a 6 1/2 foot bear at 15 yards from
    a tree stand and it died within 40 yards and within 15 seconds.
    It was quite an experience I saw 20 different bear in a week. When
    the bear dies it lets out a howling sound, when you hear this yu
    know that the bear is dead. I also dropped a bear in mass at 10
    yards with a rifle. I don't know is you have ever had bear meat
    but it great my wife even likes it and beleive me that is saying
    something. 
    		I want to get a brown (grizzly) with a bow also but
    the only place you can do that is in Alaska and its probably costs
    plenty. If you are interested in the Canada bear hunt call or write
    to this address
    				Henry & judi Parceaud
    				Box 291, Chibougamau
    				Quebec Canada G8P 2K7
    				418-748-3363
    
    It cost about $1,000 total but really worth it and Henry and his
    help really make you feel welcome and can't do enough for you. 
    P.S. We also caught 45 norther pike while we were there, oh yes
    Henry has a 90 percent kill record.
    If you need anything else let me know happy hunting. 

Roger,

Did you have any problems bringing the bear back into the US?  
I've wondered if there was anything special you had to do.  It 
does make for an interesting mental picture:  I've got a big bear 
draped across the top of my truck and the border guard asks 
"anything to declare?"  To which I reply "No, why?"

Anyway, was it tough to get him home?

Scott

    Scott
    
    	No the owner of the camp quartered it and we cut it up they
    rest of the way we got three out of possible bears (4 Guys in party)
    the fourth guy didn't want to take shot. But my bear was shot the
    last day (looking for a bigger one) and we didn't get a chance to
    dequarter it. You have to pack it in ice and get it cut up fast
    and frozen quick it like pork and it will go bad real quick. At
    the border they asked if we had anything to declare and we told
    then bear meat, no big thing. One thing though once you register
    your weapon at the border if you use the same gun for another trip
    just bring the same receipt with you and your all set you won't
    have to reregister again. 
    
    	We brought two 96 (quart) coolers with us because we knew we
    would probably get some bear. The owner told us that he has a 90
    percent kill record, it was quite a trip but I don't think I would
    do it again I would rather get one with out bait like I got the
    one in Mass two years before. But I really learned alot about bears
    and I wouldn't even heistate hunting bears with a bow any more after
    dropping that one in Canada with a bow.
                                           
    	The owner is bring down the rugs and skulls in feburary to the
    hunting show here in Springfield Mass. Its cheaper to have it done
    up there, plus his wife cleans out the skull and bleaches it and
    then waxes it for you for nothing. I have a broucher on the Hunting
    trip and Moose trips too if your interested, give me a jingle I
    am at 242-2895.
    Happy hunting
    Roger 

    FWIW, the only bears which cannot be brought into the US
    are Polar Bears (or trophies).
    
    Hi Roger, we worked together about 9 years ago in WFO
    Incoming Inspection.
    
    Dana Charbonneau

>>    FWIW, the only bears which cannot be brought into the US
>>    are Polar Bears (or trophies).
                       ^^^^^^^^^^^
Dana,

Are you saying if I kill a trophy Black bear that it stays in 
Canada, but if I kill a normal-sized one I can bring it home?  
That hardly seems logical.  I can understand the local 
authorities wanting to study a trophy carefuly for diet, age, etc., 
but what purpose would there be in them keeping the bear 
permanently?  I knew you couldn't hunt Polar bears because 
they're on the endangered list, but I can't understand why you 
can't bring a trophy back into the US.

Did I misunderstand what you were saying here?

Scott

    Sorry, that's Polar bear trophies :-) I don't really know
    about bringing *live* ones home !
    
    Mea culpa
    
    dana

RE last 'un

Thanks for explaining it, Dana.  I couldn't get the logic behind it..

Scott  8^)