Conference vmsnet::hunting$note:hunting

    
    I drilled and tapped my shotguns, but I had access to a bridgeport.
    I've heard nothing but good things about the B Square mounts, and
    my understanding is it uses the hardware currently on the gun.
    
    good luck,  Fra

     The B-Square mounts work real well.  They utilize the reciever pins
    for attaching to your gun so that you don't have to drill and tap
    the receiver.  
     When you get down to choosing a scope, don't make the mistake of
    getting too much magnification.  I'd recomend something along the
    lines of a 1.5 to 5 or a 2 to 7 variable.  Or better yet an Aimpoint
    or Propoint.
    
    Jeff  

    I shoot a REM. 870 with a B-Square type mount (can't remember the
    mfgr.) which uses the the trigger group pin holes to attach to the
    receiver.  I use an Aimpoint 1000 for the heavy brush here in the
    midwest.  If I think I'll be hunting in a more wide open area I
    have the option of installing a telescopic attachment to the front
    of the Aimpoint.  I use a 24" Hastings rifled slug barrel.  This
    combo will drop BRI slugs into a 2-3" group consistently at 50 yds.,
    and even has the potential to be effective out to 100 yds.  The
    nice thing about the Aimpoint scope (with no telescopic att) is
    that I keep both eyes open as I start my swing and there is no parallax
    error, so I can throw the gun up very quickly and be on target without
    a lot of fussing around, adjusting my sightline, like I would have
    to do with a conventional scope.                 

       On my Ithica Mod 37 light weight I installed a Weaver scope mount
    which has a unique side mount base and slotted scope mount that
    i find very useful. Between hunting birds and deer in Ma. the seasons
    are almost back to back. With this assembly i can interchange 
    barrels and remove the scope then turn around and reinstall the
    scope. I always retouque the scope's mounting hardware to same stress
    and "Zero" on a bench rest. All slugs are usually in a five inch
    diameter of the "X" at 60 yd. With some fine tuneing I'm hitting
    3 inch circle at 70 yd and 5 inch at 100. note: at 100 yd the line
    of sight, at the cross hairs, is raised three inches because of
    bullet trajectory. Remington slugs are my perfered loads.               
      The weaver scope is .5 to 4.5 variable and works for me.
      Anyway, hope this helps,.....Ken       Good subject^>>>>>
    
       

    I had my Browning BPS drilled & tapped and it works well.
    The B-Square mount for the 12 ga. doesn't fit the 20 - I
    know, I tried. 
    
    Anybody thinking B-Square should check to see if the
    mount in question fits their non-12 gage gun.
    
    

    I shoot a left handed Remington 870. I have tried using a scope for
    several years now and always end up taking the scope off in the middle
    of the season. Once my scopes cross-hairs came loose (can't remember
    the brand name scope). Last year about 5 minutes before I shot my doe I
    decided it was too dark to see anything through the scope and this year
    I miss shooting at a 9 pointer because I had too much trouble finding
    him in the scope while he was bounding. I shot another doe this year
    (half hour after missing the buck) with no scope. 
    
    I've thought about quick points but I am concerned about the size of the 
    dot at a distance. I like the idea of magnification if for no other
    reason just to verify buck vs. doe.
    

    re .6 What power scope are you using ? Try a 1 1/2 - 4x scope
    on your shotgun. As the light fades, you can adjust the scope 
    to whetever gives you the best illumination. For walking/jump-
    shooting 1 1/2 power is almost as fast as open sights (some
    say faster.)
    
    I use a 1.5-6 power Bushnell Lite-site on both my rifle and
    shotgun - versatile and quick. The red dot isn't as bright
    as the Aimpoint type, mainly for early/late hours or dark
    pine stands. 
    
    For practice, try some clay birds with the scope at lowest power
    and *both eyes open*. And cheer up - that 9-pointer will be
    a twelve next year :=)
    
    Dana

    One more thing, don't scrimp on the price of a scope for
    your twelve gage. Those guns put out much more recoil
    than you think. ( I saw where someone calculated it at
    over 40 ft-lbs. A 30-06 puts out 20 ! )
    
    

    RE .6
    	<.........I decided it was too dark to see anything through
    my scope.>
    
    	I think, as .7 insinuates, you're not using the *right* scope.
    I use a 1.5 X 4 variable Scopechief (Bushnel).  On 1.5 power I get
    far better visibility early and late in the day.  No question in
    my mind I get another 15 - 20 minutes in the evening.
    
    Andy
    

    In regard to a previous statement about not being able to find
    a moving target in a scope, I would like to offer the following
    advice.  I was given this advice by a veteran hunter when I
    was just starting out and it has helped a lot.
    
    To locate moving targets, sight along the top of your scope with
    the naked eye.  Then, just drop your head to look through the
    scope.  After a while, you'll get to where you do this without
    thinking.
    
    Another very important part of using your scope is to have the
    eye relief adjusted properly.  Then when you have to quickly
    bring the scope up, you won't be moving  your head back and forth
    trying  to get a full field of view.
    
    Hope this helps,
    
    Jerry
         

    I'm the author of this note and I want to thank all who replied.
    I installed a Tasco mount on my Remington 1100.  This is the type
    of mount that uses the trigger assy pins, similar to B Square, etc.
    
    I can't say I'm really pleased with the setup.  With the mount
    installed, I cannot use the deer barrel sights at all, and I really
    would like to have that option. For next year, ( there's always next
    year), I'm considering switching to a different gun, and setting it up
    exclusively for deer hunting with drilled/tapped mounts and hopefully
    a see-through type base. 
    
    If anyone has tried this method, let me know.
    
    Thanks,
    
    Ernie  ( who didn't get to try the scope, d**n).
    

    My son had a Marlin 30/30 with a see through mount and I didn't
    like it.  The problem is, as I see it, that the scope is mounted
    too high.  You can't rest your cheek comfortably on the stock and
    see through the scope.  This makes it very difficult for snap
    shots using the scope.  Also, you have to hold your head in an
    awkward position to see through the scope.
    
    I would try to find a detachable mount, rather than the see
    through.  It eliminates the opportunity to quickly decide between
    using the iron sights or the scope, but it also eliminates the
    time lost to choosing between the two.  
    
    For what it's worth,
    
    Jerry                                      

    re. last
    
    	I agree 100% - the see-through mount puts the scope way to high
    to find in a hurry.  There are some mounts which allow the scope
    to be removed with a dime.  I have a friend with one and when it
    gets foggy or real wet, he'll put the scope in his game pouch.
    	Another friend has a tip-off mount which works great.  Just
    a jab at a lever and the scope flops to the left allowing use
    of the gun sights.  A snap back and you have the scope again.
    I know Weaver makes a tip-off and I'm sure others do.
    
    Andy
    
    

    Time to revise this subject. 
    Has anyone had any experience, good or bad, with the shotguns with
    integral scope mounts?
    Both Remington and Mossberg offer such models.  I also note
    that Mossberg has been making their "500 slugster" with
    a drilled/tapped receiver for scope mounts.  Looks like scopes
    for shotguns continue to increase in popularity.  
                                                 

    I have Browning BPS 12g w/ a 28" barrel.  On the unlikely chance that 
    I don't tag a deer during muzzleloader season (8^), I've decided that 
    for General Season (NH) I want to carry a rifled slug gun with a scope.
	
    I'm considering buying a Hastings rifled barrel with cantilever scope 
    mount for the BPS, OR trading in the BPS on a Remington 11-87 Deer 
    Hunter Special Purpose with either a rifled deer barrel, or rifled choke.
    (Probably ~$70 more expensive to trade to the 11-87, + cost of
    replacement 28" bird barrel)
    
    It appears from other topics that a fair amount of noters are using 
    1187's, but it's not clear how many are deer hunting, and if anyone is 
    using a rifled barrel or choke.
    
    I'm curious to any first hand experience with the 11-87 with scope, 
    rifled barrel or rifled choke.  The other night I read an older (3-5 
    years old maybe) Field & Stream slug gun report that rated the 11-87 
    with rifled choke as the top gun.
    
    Any experience with using a rifled Hastings barrel on a BPS?
    
    -donmac
    
    PS: Either way, I'd also want to have or keep a 28" barrel for 
        pheasant, etc...