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Title:The Hunting Notesfile
Notice:Registry #7, For Sale #15, Success #270
Moderator:SALEM::PAPPALARDO
Created:Wed Sep 02 1987
Last Modified:Tue Jun 03 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1561
Total number of notes:17784

350.0. "B.P. rifle vs smooth" by MEDUSA::MILLS () Wed Feb 01 1989 15:46

    With regard to the previous note , what is the reasoning behind
    not allowing a black power rifle to be used for hunting ? I would
    think it would be more accurate , allowing the hunter to hit their
    target making the rifle a safer primitive weapon to use . Why do
    we have to use smooth bores ?
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350.1Good Question..... ?ATEAM::AYOTTEWed Feb 01 1989 16:104
    Good question.  Perhaps they are afraid of the increased range of
    the rifle and perceive this as being more dangerous than lesser
    accuracy.
    -Dave
350.2don't let 'em tell you 'safety'SA1794::CHARBONNDI'm the NRAWed Feb 01 1989 17:324
    re .1 The range is not increased by rifling, rather the *effective*
    range is. Since a less accurate gun is more likely to miss the
    target, and send it's bullet to points unknown, smoothbores are
    *more* dangerous. But try telling the Mass. F&G that. 
350.3Talk to themKRAPPA::KEYWORTHJohn X2784 WFO/C5Wed Feb 01 1989 18:186
    You should tell the fish and game that. There is an open meeting
    on this subject before the F&G board this spring. I'll post it here
    when I find out the date, place and time.
    
    John
    
350.4NEBVAX::PAPPALARDOI'm the NRAWed Feb 01 1989 18:4328
    
    The Primitive Firearms Season::
    
    Primitive seems to be the KEY word here.
    
    The State of Mass as far as I can figure out and this is my opinion,
    Defines a Primitive Gun of one that is difficult or having a greater
    chance of not going off or not as accurate. The reason I belive
    this is the following.
    
               FLINT-LOCK RIFLED BORE IS LEGAL IN MASS.
    
               CAP-LOCK RIFLED BORE IS ILLEGAL IN MASS.
    
               CAP-LOCK SMOOTH-BORE IS LEGAL IN MASS.
    
    So as I see it the Flint has a greater chance of not going off and
    the Cap has a greater chance of not hitting its mark.
    Thou not by much but never the less this is the reason Mass came
    up with for there PRIMITIVE Season. After all isn't it suppose to
    be the challenge of hunting deer with a weapon that you must use
    more of your skills with.
    
    Now theres talk of Mass considering making the Cap-Lock Rifled-Bore
    legal, And to think I just purchased a S.B. Barrel for my renegade.
    
    See Ya,
    Rick
350.5RangeATEAM::AYOTTEThu Feb 02 1989 13:369
    I'd like to know how a 265gr round ball traveling 1100+/- fps at the
    muzzle is going to have the same range (effective or ineffective)
    as a 175gr round ball traveling 2000+/-  fps at the muzzle.  Now
    I don't know the bullet coefficients for these bullets but they
    are probably similar due to the shape being the same.  I will agree
    that the range of the weapon is probably not a concern because they
    do allow flint rifles as stated in another reply.
    
    -Dave
350.6no reasonLUDWIG::BINGMon Feb 06 1989 02:5513
    
    I went to the fishinf expo this past sunday and asked the officer
    from the Masss. div. of Wildlife why the law read smooth bore only,
    he said that there was no reason other than the fact that the two
    bigshots who were in charge were totally against it. He went on
    to say that it was up to us to keep bugging them to change the law.
    also the two people who were in charge no longer are.
                                 walt
    
    
    
    
    
350.7Keep Your Eyes OpenKRAPPA::KEYWORTHJohn X2784 WFO/C5Tue Feb 07 1989 11:5411
    I called the Fisheries and Wildlife Board this morning. They still
    don't have a date for the open meeting but said it will be widely
    published within the next month. 
    
    Also, they said that this meeting was for 6 or 7 issues on Whitetail
    deer hunting, not just for rifled caplocks. 
    
    So everyone keep your eyes open for the published date, time,
    place, and agenda.
    
    John
350.8yes?no?maybe?LUDWIG::BINGLunker hunterMon Jul 17 1989 05:485
    
    I heard that Mass. was going to allow the use of rifled primitive
    arms starting this deer season. Has anyone else heard this? I read
    this in the Herald awhile back.
                                   Walt