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Title:The Hunting Notesfile
Notice:Registry #7, For Sale #15, Success #270
Moderator:SALEM::PAPPALARDO
Created:Wed Sep 02 1987
Last Modified:Tue Jun 03 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1561
Total number of notes:17784

329.0. "News stories about hunting." by LILAC::MKPROJ (REAGAN::ZORE I'm the NRA) Thu Jan 05 1989 16:17

Thursday's Boston globe (Jan 5, 1989) has a Sorts Section cover story on
duck hunting in Boston Harbor.  The story is about the conflict between
local residents who are anti-hunting and the duck hunters who hunt there. I
don't have time to enter the essentials here, perhaps someone else will. 
In the mean time, if you can get a copy of the Globe (newsstand or library)
it *is* an interesting story. 

I have set this note up so that various news stories about hunting can be 
entered here.

Rich
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329.1behind a badge, gives you the right?VLNVAX::DMICHAELSONThu Jan 05 1989 18:456
    I read the story this morning. And as the saying goes "believe none
    of what you hear and half of what you read" , the part of about
    the police officer drawing his weapon and aiming it at the hunters
    is scary.  There are a lot of a**holes out there, in the field and
    in blue uniforms! 
    
329.2Ted Nugent's got his act together....TARKIN::AHOThe Capt'n...Fri Apr 14 1989 15:2489
    	This may prove interesting to all you folks out there...
    --------------------------------------------------------------
    
From a recent exchange of letter between Teresa L. Gibbs of the People for
the Ethical Treatment of Animals, in Washington, and Ted Nugent, the rock
star.

					      November 15, 1988

Dear Mr. Nugent,

  We have received several letter from our members and your fans about a
recent article in Star magazine describing your hunt and slaughter of a
black bear.

As you point out in the article, there is no ethical difference between
killing a bear and killing a cow, pig, or chicken.  I would like to point
out that killing any animal for reasons of taste, sport, or luxury is wrong.
I am hopeful that, upon reflection, you will be eager to switch to a more
humane, healthy pastime such as hunting down and collecting wild vegetables
and fruits, hiking, or taking photographs of animals, such as bears, in
their natural habitats.

Hunting is an extremely cruel and senseless form of "recreation."  The
stress that it causes animals - the noise, the fear, and the constant chase
- is nothing less than a form of psychological torture.  Those animals who
are hunted but escape suffer from stress-related disabilities that reduce
there ability to eat properly and store the fat and energy needed to survive
the winter.  The death of animal is also devastating to his or her family,
particularly when young are involved.

Although the flesh of a dead bear does not contain high levels of hormones,
antibiotics, and pesticides that are found in the flesh of factory farm
animals, all meat does contain unhealthy levels of fat and cholesterol,
which are responsible for most cases of cancer, heart disease, hardening of
the arteries, strokes, arthritis, muscular dystrophy, and myriad other
life-threatening human illnesses.  Studies of vegetarian societies and sects
have concluded that a meatless diet not only promotes a longer life but
enhances the quality of life.  Since meat is not only unnecessary for our
survival but a major health risk as well, we cannot justify the slaughter of
animals simply for reasons of taste or sport.

I am enclosing some information that I hope you find interesting.  If you
have any questions or concerns, please don't hesitate to contatct us.
Meanwhile, I thank you for your time and consideration.

				 Sincerely,
				 Teresa L. Gibbs



				 December 2, 1988
Dear Teresa,

I don't know how often you leave beautiful downtown D.C., but you obviously
rarely leave the pavement.  I've spent a lifetime out-of-doors with real
wildlife, and it disturbs me whenever someone makes a detrimental judgement
based on a make-believe emotional belief.

Killing animals is not wrong.  It is certainly part of the real world.  God
does it.  Mother Nature does it.  Animals do it.  And man does it.  An ounce
of common sense would show you the importance of death in the wild.  But you
obviously don't really care about the animals or you would know firsthand
the damage your fantasy would cause.  Try going snowshoeing in an area with
deer after a severe winter, and tell me how you like the mass, slow,
lingering death as an alternative to a national harvest.  You are a cruel
bunch of liars.

You are wrong about stress.  The animal world is designed for stress, man or
no man.  And sorrow to the animal's family?  You really flashed your
pathetic ignorance here.  I've seen hundreds of doe and deer beat hell out
of their fawns for a tidbit of food in the winter.  The concept of family is
ridiculous if you know that boar, bears, and male lions, more often than
not, eat their young.

In regard to the consumption of animal flesh, man does, can and will -
justifiably - utilize animal flesh for food.  Animal products are also
wonderful for clothing and many other uses.

The information you sent was not interesting.  As someone who has seen and
experienced the truth, such nonsense only disgusts me.

Come on, Teresa, get your fat ass out of the office and let me take you
along with my children and friends to the beautiful world of truth and
experience.

				    Sincerely,
				    Ted Nugent

329.3COMET::ALBERTUSI'm the NRA, BSA/OASat Apr 15 1989 15:517

		re: .2/Mrs. Nugent's little boy Teddy.

		I love it!

		AA
329.4CLUSTA::STORMMon Apr 17 1989 18:564
    Wonderful!  
    
    Mark,
    
329.5GONZO...BTO::REMILLARD_KMon Apr 17 1989 19:226
    
    now I know why I have so many of his albums...  :^)
    
    Way to go TED.
    
    Kevin
329.6SA1794::CHARBONNDI'm the NRATue Apr 18 1989 13:286
    About a year ago 'American Handgunner' magazine did an article
    - interview with TN. Good stuff.
    
    But I *still* don't dig his music :-)
    
    Dana
329.7Good exchange.... butATEAM::AYOTTETue Apr 18 1989 15:2015
      Good reading.  Mr. Nugent sure told it like it is.  However, I
    would caution everyone that Mr. Nugent isn't a positive political
    representative of our sport.  And I don't say this cause I don't
    like his music.......... he performed some dreadfully deceptive
    acts to fail his induction physical thereby avoiding the draft back
    around 1970.  From what I can recall, he lived on drugs (no food)
    a month or so before his physical and during the final week he pi**ed
    and sh** his pants.  During this entire time period he didn't wash,
    brush his teeth, or change clothing.  They threw him out.  He did
    this because he didn't like his choices: serving his country, going
    to jail, or leaving his country.  Many would to this day consider
    his actions criminal.  In this day of muckraking and smear I would
    hate to have Mr. Nugents past creap up on all of us.
    
    Dave
329.8Wang Dang Sweet Poontang!WAHOO::LEVESQUETorpedo the dam, full speed asternTue Apr 18 1989 15:325
 I like Teddy's tunes (at least I used to). I also like the way he pulls no 
punches with the lilly livered animal lovers. At least he didn't sound like
a yahoo.

 the Doctah
329.9Not animal loversGENRAL::BOURBEAUTue Apr 18 1989 18:4221
    	Dear Doctah,
    
    		Please don't call these fools animal lovers. I would
    guess that there are more true animal lovers in this conference
    than there are in good old Teresa's whole organization. Hunters
    don't hate animals, they simply have a real world understanding
    of them. The so-called animal-rights groups are generally maudlin,
    emotional people who need a cause, and refuse to hear or under-
    stand facts. They see all animals as little "people", or substitute
    children. As the letter to Ted Nugent shows, they are desperately
    out of touch with reality. The scary thing is that some of our
    learned legislators take these lame-brains seriously. There was
    even a bill in the recent Massachusetts election sponsored by
    these groups, it dealt with farm animals and was totally
    outlandish, yet many people took it seriously. This is because
    the majority of the people don't know much about animals, and so
    believe whatever they read in the paper. 
    	Don't underestimate them, these are the people who will abolish
    your sport; they make the noise, and get the political attention.
    
    	George
329.10you're preaching to the choir... :-)WAHOO::LEVESQUETorpedo the dam, full speed asternWed Apr 19 1989 15:450
329.11Time to defend hunting?DIXIE1::RIDGWAYFor one brief shining momentThu Apr 27 1989 13:387
    Does anyone want to take on an anti?  In the HYDRA::DAVE_BARRY
    notesfile, note 509.5 there is considerable ridicule to what Ted
    Nuget had to say and about hunting in general.  
    
    See ya over there.
    
    Keith R>