Conference vmsnet::hunting$note:hunting

    Fra,
    
    I apologize.  The .270 is a great round.
    
    Can I ask that while you are digging up your .270 data that you
    also dig up that .308 data you promised back in 132.  I'd
    be interested in what you are shooting.
    
    Brett.

    Fra,
    
    I went to the cabinet just to double check.... and I couldn't
    find a .270   Are you sure its "deer huntings all time favorite
    caliber?????"   8^)
    
    
    

    .27555905 = 7mm
    
	      = FAVORITE AMMO
    8-)       = close but not .270
    
    Jack	    

    I am thinking about getting a deer rifle. I kind of like the Browning
    BAR in the .270 caliber. What can you tell me about the various
    aspects of owning a gun like this?
    
    I am interested in recoil (how does it compare to a 20 gauge shotgun),
    accuracy, stopping power, and versatility. Also, how much will it
    cost to shoot?
    
    The Doctah

    I think the .270 is probably the best all around cartridge, it can
    take down the biggest elk and is capable of taking chucks out to
    400 yds consistently.
    
    The Browning BAR is the finest auto loader available, but i think
    for this type of gun the .308 would be a much better cartridge.
    just for the simple rason that the cartridge is much shorter and
    less inherent to jam...
    
    there is virtually no recoil, and it is very accurate, but i would
    go with the .308 for the autoloader.
    
    good luck...  fra
    

    Fra,
    Do you know that your load of 48.5 grains of 4064 is .2 grains above
    the maximum?  Ref: Speer reloading manual numbers 10 and 11.  I'm
    in the process of working up a load for the same gun, and bullet.
    I've started at 46 grains and have worked up in half grain increments
    to a max of 48 (for starters).  I'll be shooting this afternoon
    and will use the data as a basis for fine tuning the load at .1
    grain increments.  
    
    Your mention of accuracy with the sierra bullets is well appreciated.
    Try weighing either Hornady or Nosler bullets and you'll quickly
    find out that their quality standards are sub par to Sierra.  Sierra
    advertises .01 tolerance in bullet weight.
    
    Looking forward to "driving some tacks".   Keep you posted.
    
    Dave

    Dave, 
    
    I checked last night, hornady reloading manual (3rd edition) list
    the max load for the 130 grain pill to be 49.8 grains of 4064.
    
    fra
    

    
    
    	For what it's worth, there's an article on loading for the
    	270 in the January, '86 issue of the American hunter.  The
    	article contains a graphic which lists loads for several
    	different bullet weights (110, 130 and 150).  If anyone
    	wants this information but doesn't have access to this
    	particular magazine, let me know in this notes file and I
    	will post it.
    
    	One other thing.  I switched from a 130 gr. bullet to a
    	140 gr. bullet.  Offhand, I can't remember the load (seems
    	like 53.5 gr of 4*** with Speer or Hornady BPSP).  If anyone
    	is interested, I'll look it up and post that also.  It seems
    	to work OK.  I'm trying it as a compromise deer/elk load.
    	I don't shoot enough to be comfortable with changing loads
    	on a regular basis, so I favor using one and only one load
    	(I don't hunt varmints, so I don't need the 110 gr. loads).
    
    	Jerry                                                    

I've been working up some new loads for my .270, and thought I'd
post the results.  I will be hunting Mule Deer and Elk in Western
Colorado, so I decided to move up to the Speer Grand Slam bullet
in 150 gr.  After carefully studying the ballistics charts, I've
come to the conclusion that at long ranges you don't really lose
much, velocity and trajectory wise, with the heavier bullet.  And,
you have more knock-down power with the heavier bullet.  With Elk,
you need all you can get.  Anyway, here's what I've come up with, so
far.

I have two rifles.  One is a Remington 700 BDL which I bought new about
15 years ago.  The only modification I've made to it is to add a recoil
pad and a sling.  I haven't done any accurizing on it at all.  It's
my "old reliable" rifle.

The other rifle is a Savage 110E that I bought used about 2 years ago.
It hasn't been accurized in any way that I can tell.  I use it for a
backup rifle and also let my 16 year old son use it.

With the Remington, I'm getting 1.5" 5-shot groups at 100 yds. with the
following load.  That's about as good as I can shoot, so I think I'll
stick to this load.  By the way, this is the max load recommended in
the Speer Reloading Manual, No. 11.

	Bullet	- Speer 150 gr. Grand Slam
	Powder  - 55.0 gr. IMR 4831
	Muzzle Velocity - 2800+ fps	(according to the manual)

With the Savage, I'm all over the paper with the above load.  So far,
the best I've done with it is about a 3" 5-shot group at 100 yards.
Also, I just don't shoot it as well, and I got this group after firing
2 other 5-shot groups.  I'm going to try it out of a cold barrel before
I decide if I will stay with it.

	Bullet	- Speer 150 gr. Grand Slam
	Powder	- 54.5 gr. IMR 4831
	Muzzle Velocity = app. 2800 fps 	(according to the manual)

As a side note, the test barrel used by the Speer folks for M.V. measurements
was a Remington Model 700 with a 22" barrel, so I think that these
published figures ought to be pretty close for me.

Jerry

Does anyone have any suggestions for light, plinking loads?  I have
quite a few 130 and 140 grain bullets and some IMR 4350 powder.  I'd
like to load these up lightly and use them as fun loads.  You know,
something that will shoot ok but with mild recoil.  

Here's what I have in the way of reloading supplies that I want to
burn up.  I also have plenty of brass.

	IMR 4350 powder
	Hornady 130 gr. spire point bullet
	Hornady 140 gr. spire point boat tail bullets
	Rem. 9.5 and Federal 210 primers (I think this is right.  They
		are the standard large rifle primers).

I also have a little IMR 4831 powder that I've had around for several
years.

Thanks,

Jerry 

    what type of brass are you using, i have a couple of loads that i use
    with hornady bullets...  let me know, and i'll check tonight.
    
    not using the 5350 powder though, i'm using 4064.
    
    fra

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>>    what type of brass are you using, i have a couple of loads that i use
>>    with hornady bullets...  let me know, and i'll check tonight.
    
I've got an assortment of brass.  Some W-W, some R-P, and some other
stuff.  That's part of the reason I want to load it light with not
a whole lot of regard to accuracy.  For my hunting loads, I'm using
all new Winchester-Western brass.

Jerry

    In my 7-08 I use SR4759 for plinking. It's a special powder made 
    for light loads ONLY. 

I've finally settled on a load for my Savage 110.  I'm not getting
the results I really wanted, but I'm running out of time and getting
reasonable results.  With a 5 shot group, I'm getting about 3 within
an inch and the other two about another inch out.  Not great, but
it seems to produce consistently, so I'll go with it.  At least for
this year.  Maybe next year I'll work up something better.

Anyway, here's the load.

	Bullet	- Speer 150 gr. Grand Slam
	Powder  - 52.5 gr. IMR 4831
	Primers - Remington 9 1/2 large rifle primers
	Brass   - All new or once fired Winchester-Western
	Muzzle Velocity - appl 2700+ fps	(according to the manual)

Jerry


P.S.  When you load for 2 different rifles of the same caliber but
	different manufacturers, you really can see some differences.
	I have discovered that I have to seat the 150 grain bullets
	about 1/4 inch deeper for the Savage than I do for the
	Remington.