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Title:The Hunting Notesfile
Notice:Registry #7, For Sale #15, Success #270
Moderator:SALEM::PAPPALARDO
Created:Wed Sep 02 1987
Last Modified:Tue Jun 03 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1561
Total number of notes:17784

414.0. "Composite stocks" by DECWET::HELSEL (Legitimate sporting purpose) Wed Jul 12 1989 17:33

    I was talking to a neighbor of mine the other night and we were
    discussing rifle stocks.  He has gotten rid of all of hios wooden
    stocks and gone completely with composite stocks.  This was a
    real shock to me.  This guy goes on all types of hunts like
    $10,000 hunts to Kenai River area, $8,000 sheep hunts in B.C.
    etc. etc. etc. He has a whole room full of really great mounts,
    some are lifesized.   (I won't tell you how he makes his money.....
    well okay you twisted my arm........he buys old used Digital
    products and re-sells them.  So frinstance he buys a microVAX
    II from somebody for 1500 and sells it to someone else for $3000.
    Last year he bought a core memory from an IBM machine for $1,000
    and sold it 3 days later for $28,000 so yea he can afford these
    dream hunts)
    
    Anyway, this got me to thinking.  I've seen all the ads in all
    the magazines for "fake" stocks buyt has always struck me as so
    untraditional not to have a wood stock.  I figured that no one
    actually ever bought one of these things.  I am a real wood
    stock (not concert) fan.
    
    This guy really tried to convince me that wood is the pits due
    to weight, rate of damaged and so forth.  He offered to sell me
    a 700 BDL composite stock rifle cheap so I could try it (I told the
    leach he ought to give it to me since he's making money off of me
    (and you guys)).
    
    He also claims you need to use stainless steel barrels.
    
    What gives?
    
    Have any of you bought composite stocks and do any of you use them
    regularly?   Any thoughts on this?
    
    Rich Zore would say, "If your gun's to heavy, do a few push ups"
    
    /brett
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414.1One man's opinionGIAMEM::J_AMBERSONWed Jul 12 1989 17:5018
      The big marketing hype in regards to composite stocks is that
    your point of impact won't change when the atmospheric conditions
    change.  Wood supposedly will expand and contract enough with
    temperture and humidity changes to ultimately change your POI.
    Another selling point is the weight factor of composite stocks.
    Durability is a third point.
      On the negative side is the fact that most composite stocks are
    noisy.  They sound like plastic when scraped against a tree.  I
    also think that they are not as aestetically pleasing as wood. 
    A third factor is that a stock that is too light is just as bad as
    one that it too heavy, especially if your shooting a magnum or large
    bore rifle.       
      Until someone shows me that I'm missing game because I have a 
    wooden stock, then I'll stick with what I have.
    
    Jeff
    
     Hey Brett how was the rest of your trip?
414.2noise and recoilDECWET::HELSELLegitimate sporting purposeThu Jul 13 1989 20:357
    Hey, those are good points, Jeff.
    
    I take it no one here owns a composite stock.
    
    /brett
    
    p.s. the rest of the trip was better!
414.3My experience with compositesCADAM::OAKMANMon Jul 24 1989 18:5322
    
     Brett,
     I restocked one of my Rem mod 700s with a Ram Line synthetic stock
    two years ago after a trip to Ungava Bay, Quebec.  It seemed like
    the right move, considering the drenching the rifle withstood in
    Quebec, and the fact that I would be using it that year for elk
    in Montana.  I would echo the thoughts of .1 relative to weight/noise.
    The stock did weigh less than the wood, but not a lot, and different
    wood stocks will vary even within the same calibre family. I have
    two **Identicle** mod 700s in 7mm Rem Mag and they differ in weight
    by a half pound!  I think the wood is much more dense on one than
    the other.  While hunting Elk, the synthetic stock WAS very noisy
    when sneaking through thick cover ( where elk love to hang out )
    and my guide pointed this out to me.  An elk can tolerate a branch
    snapping, they do it all the time, but that plastic screek of a
    stock sliding along a branch will put one into high gear in a hurry!
    
     IMHO, stick with the wood if that's where you're going to be hunting.
    
    
    	-jro
    
414.4Go wood if noise is a concernSKIVT::WENERMon Jul 24 1989 20:2810
    
    
    	Noisy for sure.. I was in the market for a rifle a couple of
    years back and looked into a fiberguard Weatherby.  Just tap it
    with your fingernail and you'll run away too.  Of course I hunt
    in relatively thick cover in Vermont.  I went wood -  Few if any
    shots beyond 100 yds so the accuracy wouldn't be quite as critical.
    
    - Rob
    
414.577/22 notwithstandi?PH4VAX::POINDEXTERSOUTHERN, LIVINGTue Sep 12 1989 02:346
    I've always been the purist for a piece of walnut, but Ruger's new
    77/22's got me curious.  Are most synthetic stocks a fake wood grain
    like one would expect, are they mostly multicolored laminates or
    are there any others that look better than a nylon 66.  I'm ordering
    Ram-lines catalog tomorrow morning. I want a .270 to keep in the
    truck, don't want a shiny stock.
414.6XCUSME::NEWSHAMI'm the NRATue Sep 12 1989 05:4111
    Synthetis stocks come in many varieties from look-alike wood, to
    leaf patterns, to camo patterns etc. etc. etc. Either Gun World
    or Guns magazine did a report on synthetic stocks a couple of
    months ago. If I can dig it up, I'll list the various manufactors
    that were listed.
    
    I've looked at the Ruger 77/22 and the imprinted RUGER logo on
    the stock turns me off. To me it stands out like a bumper sticker.
    
    Red_only_60_days_until_Vermont_Deer_opens
    
414.7SA1794::CHARBONNDIt's a hardship postWed Sep 13 1989 11:378
    One company offers a synthetic that looks just like wood.
    Many are black, some are camo. I think the laminates look
    better than plastic, but they're usually heavier.
    
    The Browning A-Bolt is available in the Stalker - black finish,
    black synthetic stock, or the Stainless stalker, same stock,
    all metal satin stainless steel. Really weatherproof gun, 
    and probably available in .270