Conference vmsnet::hunting$note:hunting

    Nice jesture Rick! Sounds like fun, I may even have a pop with a
    category for the smallest deer.;)
    
    Already spent a week bow hunting to no avail! Came close, but i
    guess it just wasn't meant to be. Turned out to be just a huge tease! 
    
    Tell ya, I've been back to work since Monday, and I've been chomping
    on the bit in here all week. Whats worse, is I probably won't get
    out again til next Sat.
    
    Don't know if I can make it til then!

    This sounds like a great idea to me.
    
    			Happy hunting,
    
    			Ellis (The Rim Man)
    

    
    
    Node:12GAGE::DERIE  "Steve"
    
    Type of deer: buck
    # of points: 4
    weight: 148lbs
    date/time: oct 29, 7:45am
    state/town:  Allenstown, NH
    firearm: T/C Renagade, .50cal, 370grn t/c maxiball over 90grns ffg
    hunting style: tree stand
  
    
    

    
    NODE:KRAPPA::KEYWORTH  "John"
    
    type of deer:   button buck
    weight:         about 75 lbs.
    date/time:      Oct. 15, 4:30pm
    state/town      Fort Ann, N.Y.
    firearm:        T/C Renagade, .54 cal round ball over 90grns fff
    hunting style:  ground stand
    

    Node:  DNEAST::AVERELL_MICH  "MIKE"
    
    Type of deer: Button Buck
    	(two little nubbs just below the skin)
    Weight: approx. 100 lbs.
    October 29, 1988  5:30 pm
    Richmond, Maine
    Firearm: Browning Model 81 BLR .223 cal. 55 grain spitzer
    Style: Sitting on a rock wall overlooking a 3 acre field.

    
    node: TWOBOS::LAFOSSE
    
    TYPE OF DEER: Doe
    WEIGHT: 107 Lbs. dressed
    DATE/TIME: Oct 3rd, 5:10 PM
    STATE/TOWN: S. Woodstock, Vt.
    FIREARM: Golden Eagle Falcon compound, 75#, xx75's, wasp broadheads.
    SHOT PLACEMENT: Front quartering shot, heart/aorta
    HUNT STYLE: Tree stand                            
    
    

    	A request please,,under kind of deer, I'd be interested in the
    following:
    
    type of deer: Muley buck
    Rack: 4 point (Western count)
    
    	Get the idea? 
    
    		Thanks,
    			George
    
    

    Type of Deer: Mule Deer
    Rack Size: Forkhorn
    Weight: 165 lbs. 
    Place Taken: Hoback Jct. Wyoming
    Firearm: Winchester Ranger in 30/06 and Redfield Widefield 2X7
    How Taken: Walking along top of Grayback Ridge, deer came over top
                for last time.
    
    
    
    						Bret from N.H.

    date and time that 270.10 was taken: Sept. 26th @ 6:30pm

    
    SALEM::MANUEL_A
    
    TYPE OF DEER : BUCK.
    # OF POINTS  : 10
    SPREAD       : 19.5"
    WEIGHT       : 212.5
    DATE / TIME  : 11/5/88, 4:20 PM.
    STATE / TOWN : MAINE, PARIS.
    FIREARM      : 700 BDL REM. 7mm REM MAG. 
    HUNTING STYLE : STILL HUNTING. 
    DISTANCE     : 150 YARDS.
    

    Nice deer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    
    Mark.

    DPDMAI::HAMRICK
    
    TYPE: WHITETAIL BUCK
    # POINTS: 6
    SPREAD: 19.0"
    WEIGHT: 176#
    DATE/TIME: OCT 10 / 17:30
    TOWN/STATE: MEDINA, TX.
    FIREARM: BEAR WHITE TAIL II COMPOUND, 68# WITH 125 GR. WASP BROADHEAD
    STYLE: STILL HUNTING THICK CEDAR
    DISTANCE: 17 PACES
    
    Only my third deer with a bow in last 5 years. Can't wait til next
    weekend for rifle season.
    
    Harvey
    

    HUNTER: Mike Gilon, Londonderry N.H.
    Type: Whitetail Doe
    Spread: About five feet flattened in the road.
    Weight: 60 lbs.
    Date/Time: Sept. 18th, 11:00PM 
    Weapon: 1988 Chevy 4WD K2500 P/U, front bumper
    Hunting Style: Cruising at 50 mph down the road
    Where: On the road to Cody Wyoming from Worland Wyoming
    Comments: " Don't worry about your truck Bret, I'll get him!"

    
    RE:15
    
    Sorry Mike, Only Deer taken with traditional hunting methods,
    Bow,Rifle,M/L,Shotgun.
    
    RAP

    
    
    Type of deer    :: Whitetail buck (spikehorn)
    Weight          :: approx. 150 lbs
    Date/Time       :: 10/29/88 9:00 a.m. (opening day for residents)
    State/Town      :: Maine, Knox
    Firearm         :: Rem mod. 740  .308
    Hunting style   :: Tree stand
    Distance        :: 30 yds 
    Quality of meat :: excellent
    

    
    
     Type of deer : Whitetail buck (10 point)
     Weight       : 170 lbs
     Date/Time    : 11/10/88 2:00 pm
     State/Town   : Mason, N.H.
     Firearm      : Rem 742 30.06 180 grain 
     Distance     : 25 Yards (Nice bow shot)
     Hunt Style   : Still Hunting
    
     Going back with the bow for his brother.

    			1st day, 1st Buck....
    
    Type of deer :  Whitetail buck (Spikehorn)
    Weight       :  111 lbs  
    Date/Time	 :  11/12/88 12:45 pm
    State/Town	 :  Fletcher, Vt
    Firearm	 :  Winchester model 70, 180 grain
    Distance	 :  75-100 yds.
    Hunt Style	 :  Still Hunting
    
    	The four hour drag wasn't much fun, but I'll take it... Boy
    it seemed like a 200 pounder by the time I made it to the truck.
    
    Can't wait till next year...
    
    	Happy Hunting,
    	Jeff

    
    Type of deer : Whitetail doe
    Weight       : Approx 100 lbs
    Date/time    : 11/9/88 11:45
    State/Town   : N.H. - Hollis
    Firearm      : Beretta 1200R + slugs
    Distance     : 25 yards
    Hunt Style   : Hoofing back to the Jimmy for a coffee break when
    		   Ms. Deer pops out of the woods and begins running.
    		   IPSC combat shotgun practice made the difference
                   on this one!
    
    		

    
    
    
    TYPE:=WHITETAIL BUTTON BUCK
    WGT := 70LBS.APP.
    DATE:=11-11  7:45AM
    ST./TOWN:=N.H. MASON
    FIREARM:=35REM.336 MARLIN W/SCOPE
    TYPE HUNT:=TREESTAND
    DIST.:=50YDS

    
    type: whitetail buck
    points: 2 (11.5 in. spikes, bad genes)
    weight: ?? 120# maybe
    spread: about this far
    where: Medina, Tex.
    time: 11/12/88 18:10
    range: 270 paces
    weapon: winchester mod. 70 in 25-06 handloaded 100 gr.
    
    

    type of deer   : whitetail buck                                
    # of points    : 8 eastern count
    weight         : 225lbs
    time&date      : 11/8/88 10:30 a.m.
    state/town     : Andover North Surplus,Maine
    firearm        : winchester model 70,30-06,180 grain bullets
    hunting style  : still hunting (prefer tracking)
    distance       : 40 yards            

    type of deer    : whitetail buck
    # of points     : spike
    weight          : 100lbs
    time&date       : 11/14/88 12:45 p.m.
    state/town      : Buels Gore,Vermont
    firearm         : winchester model 70 30-06 180 grain bullets
    hunting style   : still hunting
    distance        : 50 feet 

    re: .23
    
    Nice deer!
    
    How's the back?
    

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    type of deer    : whitetail buck
    # of points     : spike
    weight          : 123lbs
    time&date       : 11/18/88 09:15 a.m.
    state/town      : Princeton, Mass.
    archery         : brown bear compound
    hunting style   : tree stand
    distance        : 15 yds

    YA-HOOO!!!!!!!!!

    
      type of deer :: Buck
    # of points    :: 13
      weight       :: 202
    spread         :: 22 1/8
    time/date      :: 11:05 on the 18th
    town/state     :: Harmony Maine
    rifle          :: Interarms  30-06
    
    
          He walked up on me. Bang your dead!!!!!!!!
    
    
                                      jeff

    Jeff, congrats ! Maybe someday I'll score bigtime like that! I bet
    it took the edge off of all the frustration you had in hunting in
    VT.!

    type of deer ::  whitetail doe
    weight       ::  105 lbs
    time/date    ::  2:45 on the 25th
    town/state   ::  Livingston Manor, NY
    method       ::  still hunting
    distance     ::  75 yds
    weapon       ::  .35 REM  
    
    (still have my buck tag to fill)

                               

    type of deer ::  9 point whitetail buck
    weight       ::  143.5 lbs.
    time/date    ::  1:00pm on Nov. 26th
    town/state   ::  Deerfield, N.H.
    method       ::  still hunting
    distance     ::  40 yds
    weapon       ::  Alpha I .308 bolt action  
    ammo         ::  Hornady 165gr. spire point
    
    MacGregor, eat your heart out! This wasn't a "community" deer!

    TYRE OF DEER:8 POINT BUCK
    WEIGHT: 180 LBS
    DATE/TIME NOV 19th, 9:00 am
    WHERE SHOT: SMITHFEILD MAINE
    CALIBER: 30-06
    

    TYPE OF DEER: WHITETAIL DOE
    WEIGHT: 117 IBS
    DATE AND TIME 11/28/88 12:32 P.M.
    STATE/TOWN: WESTFORD, MASS
    FIREARM: REMINGTON 870 FEDERAL 1OZ SLUG
    DISTANCE: 50YDS
    HUNT STYLE: GROUND STAND
    
    
                                 MIKE MCNULTY
    

    
    
    
    TYPE OF DEER : 5 point whitetail buck
    WEIGHT      : 135 lbs.
    DATE/TIME   : 11/23/88  4:20
    TOWN/STATE  : Leominster, MA
    METHOD      : Bowhunting/rattling/ground blind
    ARTILLERY   : Golden Eagle Falcon Turbo 75 lbs, 2413 xx75's, Wasp's
    SHOT PLACEMENT : Lungs/Liver (1 shot) 100 yd tracking job
    COMMENTS : Deer came crashing in immediately after second rattling
               sequence.

    type of deer:  whitetail buck (spike)
    weight:  120lbs
    date and time:  11/14/88 11:00 a.m.
    town/state: Acton, Mass
    method: bowhunting/stalk
    weapon: PSE MACH-FLITE 4 2114 gamegetter 3-bladed brute
    shot distance: 35yds
    
                                           Rick Weatherbees
                  

    
    BTO::POTTER_H       "RABBIT BLASTER"	
    
    TYPE OF DEER:  WHITETAIL BUCK (SPIKE)
    WEIGHT:        89 LBS.
    TIME/DATE:     NOV. 27   11:00  AM
    STATE/TOWN:    EAST RANDOLPH   VT.
    FIREARM:       30-06   165 GRAIN
    HUNTING STYLE: STILL HUNTING
    DISTANCE:      15 YARDS                     
          !!!!!!!!!!!!LAST DAY!!!!!!!!!!!

    
    
    Type of Deer : Whitetail doe
    Weight       : 105 lbs
    Time/date    : 12:30  Nov. 29
    Town/State   : Sheffield, MA
    Method       : Drive
    Distance     : 20 yds.
    Weapon       : 12 gauge Rem w/ slug
    
    So I missed two bucks....No big deal!
    

    
    
    Type of Deer:	Whitetail Buck
    # of points:	4
    Weight:		125
    Time/Date:		9:10 Dec 5th
    Town/State:		Douglas Mass.
    Method:		Stand
    Distance:		30 Yards
    Weapon:		Baretta model AL-2 12 guage 00 buck
    
    
    

    			
    			this makes three
    
    type:	whitetail buck
    # pts.	5
    wt.		130
    d/t		nov 16. 8:30am
    t/s		peacham,vt
    		30-30 Win.
    dist.	35 ft. from a blind using another bucks urine
    		to bring him in close..
    

    
    NODE LUDWIG::WGREEN
    
    type of deer; doe
    weight	 105
    date/time  dec 3 10 am
    state mass, great Barrington.
    fire arm   12 guage pump.
    type of stand, sitting on the ground

    
    So far the leaders for Largest Rack and weight are two Vermont boys.
    Thou the deer were taken in Maine I hope you all have registerd
    to give them there Green-Mountain-Boys a run for the money.
    
    So far there have been 29 deer registerd in this Digital Deer
    Registration file. There are 69 people listed in the who are you
    note and if this is true and everyone is registerd and all hunt
    deer then only 42% have taken deer to date. If your not listed in
    the who are you note then please do so. 
    
    I'm sure there will be more entries so lets get them in.
    
    Good Luck to All.
    
       Rick.....

    Sheesh...I'd call 42% of possible deer hunters *very* good results.
    I'd venture a guess that it is higher.  For instance, Tom Davis
    took a 135, 5-pointer in NY and he hasn't entered it in here yet.
    
    I hate it when it snows the first day after NH firearms season ends...:^(

    
    Mark.

    I was thinking the same as Mark.  42% is not bad at all!  Im sure
    that there are some out there that have yet to report in.
    
    Jeff

    
    RE:41
    
    I did word that wrong did'nt I. 42% is REAL good vs 69 hunters.
    
    As far as the snow goes.. Can you belive it ! Only in N.H. could
    this happen.
    
    See Ya,
    Rick....

         42% aint to shabby.... Glad to see some deer shot this year.
    I know last year people the kill was off in 2 out of 3 states
    Maine, Vermont, Mass.  
    
    
         Ask Bruce about the sheds he found in N.Y.?????
    
    My 13 pointer is small compared to them. No sh#t guys they are
    huge......
    
              jeff
    

         Okay Jeff we will tell the people about the sheds i found in
    the Adirondacks of New York.
         I found them down near the bottom of the mountain as i was
    coming out of the woods. This is a deer wintering yard in this area.
    There are 11 points on the sheds, but it is a basic 8 pointer with
    three sticker points. the basic 8 point rack scores about 163 B&C
    points, when you subtract the sticker points it brings it down to
    about 152 B&C. Some measurments 5 1/2" bases, 28" main beams,
    main tines 11", 22" inside spread.
         I've been looking for this buck since i found his sheds. The
    season ended this past Sunday and guess what, i believe i found
    were he lives on Sunday. It was across the main road from were the
    sheds were found, on a very step 4000' mountain. I found four rubs
    on trees from 4 to 6 inches in diameter. I hope he doesn't die of
    old age because i will be on this mountain opening day next year.
                                                Bruce

    	Bruce, Did you find the sheds relatively close together??  Reason
    I ask is because I also found one (small but with 4 tines), but
    couldn't find the other.  Do any of you know what the liklihood
    is of a deer to drop them off at the same or relatively close to
    the same time ....????????
    

    
    My group found some trophy sized sheds last weekend, they are
    non-typical, well on side is. The bases are about 6 inches around, the
    typical side has 7 points, (and one other small one) and the
    non-typical side has 13 points. These are the biggest antlers I have
    ever seen.
    
    

         The sheds i found were lying about four feet apart on the end
    of a ledge. There were no trees close that he could of rubbed them
    off on. It looked like he just shook his head and they both fell
    off each side of his head. 
    bruce

    I also found a shed while scouting for the archery
    season. It was 1 shed right, 3 big points. I looked
      for the other one for almost an hour, but nothing.
    I have talked to guys who have found both and they say
    that they were very close together.
    
    
             jeff

    
    	Thanks guys, I'd sure love to find one like the kind some of
    you are speaking of -- or better yet, see the deer and get him!!
    
    - Rob
    

         While snowmobiling last February in the Rangley area we found
    two moose sheds in a moose yard at the base of West Kennebago Mt.
    They were not from the same animal and we could not find either
    of the matching ones. Since there was about 5' of snow the two that
    we did find must of been recent sheds.
    
                                                       Mike

    Can we keep this note for what it was meant for, please.

    
    RE:54
    
               THANK-YOU
    
    RAP...

might as well put mine in..
    
    Al Otenti
    medusa::otenti
    
    type - 10 point buck (taxidermist measured 22 5/8" spread)
    weight - 180 pounds
    time -  9:30 A.M 11/29
    where - Royalston, Ma.
    gun - 12 gauge shotgun - BRI slugs
    style - tree stand
    
    not too bad for my first deer ever!

    NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
    
    NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
    
    
                 I'll have to measure mine again(-:
    
    
    NICE BUCK...................For a Mass deer........
    
    
    
            Congrat's  
    
    
                             jeff

    Buck whitetail
    14 points non typical
    204lbs
    December 6th 10:00AM (HE ALMOST MADE IT)
    Mass.
    12ga slug
    stand

    
    Type of deer: Doe
    Weight	 95
    Date/time  Dec 17 4:10 pm
    City/state near Camden Alabama
    Fire arm   Weatherby 270
    Type of stand, Box

    
    
    Type of deer: Buck (four point, eastern count)
    Weight: 172 lbs 
    Date/time Dec 20 10:05 am
    City/state Philipston MA
    Firearm: Custom 45 smoothbore caplock
    Method : Still hunting
    
    The rack was huge, biggest four point I've ever seen
    only problem was It was my brother-in-laws deer. I'll
    get a few steaks so I decided to let everyone else know.......

    
    
    
    type of deer:: 7 point whitetail buck
    weight      :: 134 lbs.
    time/date   :: 8:05am 12/20/88
    method      :: ground stand
    distance    :: 50 yards
    weapon      :: 56 caliber Thompson Renagade
    ammo        :: round ball 80 grains black powder
    state       :: Mass

    TYPE: Whitetail Buck
    POINTS: 9 point
    SPREAD: 22 1/4 in. inside
    DATE: 31-dec-88 07:30 (last day of season here)
    PLACE: My farm in George West, Tx.
    FIREARM: Marlin 30-30
    STAND: Old down Oak Tree snag
    
    Other pertinent info: This was my son's FIRST deer, I put him in
    one of my most reliable areas and left him. I didn't get to my blind
    before he shot (about 5-6 MIN. UNREAL). Anyway he's hooked on it
    now and REAL PROUD.
    
    Harvey
    

    
    Type of deer: Buck
    Weight	 105
    Date/time  Dec 27 5:00 pm
    City/state near Camden Alabama
    Fire arm   Weatherby 270
    Type of stand, Box

    I envy the fact that you guys in Ala. are still out there deer hunting.
    How many more months, before the season closes? Is there lots of
    hunting pressure still, or do the majority hunt the first month
    or so only?

    There are three weeks to go before deer season closes.  Most of
    the time the majority of the pressure to hunt is in the first several
    weeks, but after that the pseudo-hunters tend to lose a little
    interest.  Actually, I'm very lucky, my father-in-law is in a hunting
    club with 6500+ acres and only 30 members (plus guests), so the 
    competiton is on a more limited scale.
    
    The only problem this hunting season has been the heat!  Hunting
    is not supposed to be done in 70 degree weather sweating to death
    and swatting at mosquitos!  I'm going hunting one more weekend and
    hopefully will close the season with a big buck.  The deer just
    don't seem to be moving as well when its hot.
    
    Regards,	Keith R>

    Type of deer: Doe
    Weight	 98
    Date/time  Jan 21 5:00 pm
    City/state near Camden Alabama
    Fire arm   Weatherby 270
    Type of stand, Box

    Type of deer: Buck
    Weight	 112
    Date/time  Jan 22 4:30 pm
    City/state near Camden Alabama
    Fire arm   Weatherby 270
    Type of stand, Box

    
    As of this date, Jan-31st,89 this note for deer-hunting 1989 is
    closed. I am at this time processing the info to determine the winners
    and will post them along with the prizes very shortly.
    
    Rick..

    Seeing as some of us are already out there hunting Elk, and the
    NH Bow season is 3 weeks away, I figured the time had come to 
    open up the "successful deer hunting note" again.
    
    
    SO CONSIDER THIS THE PLACE TO ADD YOUR 1989 DEER HUNTING TROPHYS!!!
    
    To everyone out there, good luck!!!        
    
    Fra

    Here is a little story to get the season off ground.  Tuseday morning
    Oct. 10, 89 I decided to put a couple hours in the woods before
    work.  The only thing to happen was I found the string across the
    trail I've been watching was broken and a large deer track was on
    the trail.  When I got home that evening I told my wife of the large
    track I had found.  I also told her I figured the deer to weigh
    close to 180 lbs.  Well about an hour later, the phone rings. On
    the other end is loud breathing. It's my hunting partner all excited
    telling me he just hit a big buck with his bow and he needed help
    to track it. Our hunting spot just happens to be across the street
    fromj his house.  A half hour later we were back a the spot he hit
    the deer.  We had less the an hour before it got dark.  Bob not
    knowing exactly where the arrow hit, we decided to take it slow
    not wanting to chase this deer all night.  As it turns out, the
    hit was a perfect one. we found the deer just before dark.  I am
    very proud to say (though it's not my deer) we had a 10 point, 175
    lbs. buck to drag out.
     There were a couple of funny things about this hole ordeal. This
    deer's escape route was along the deer trail I had been watching that
    morning. In fact, he broke the string again on his death run.  The
    other thing was when I got in bed that night. My wife says "How
    did you know how big the deer was" ?
    
    Good Hunting,
    		 Bruce

    
    I'm putting this note in for Dave Ayotte, who has as of 10-16-89
    parted with the company and will be moving out to the Spokane
    Washington area.
    
    TYPE OF DEER: Whitetail Spike
    WEIGHT: 97 lbs
    DATE/TIME: 10/13/89 4:30pm
    CITY/STATE: South Woodstock, VT
    FIREARM: Golden Eagle Hunter 75#, XX75 Camo's, Wasp 4 Blade
    METHOD OF KILL: Stalking, 1st shot hit above spine, 2nd shot from 35
    yards into heart/lung. 30 yard tracking job.
    
    Comments: very windy, warm, sunny, 800 yard uphill drag. Will be
    my last bowhunt with Dave in VT... lots of fond memories...  Fra
    

    Type of Deer:  Mulie Spike
    Weight:        125 lbs.
    Date:          10/15/89  8:00 AM
    Place:	   Okanagon National Forrest, Washington State
    Firearm:       H&K 770 in .308
    Method:        Still hunting through nice area.  Walked up on buck at
                   about 50 yards.  1 broadside shot through ribs.
    
    /brett

    
    TYPE OF DEER: Whitetail Spike
    Weight: 108lbs
    Date: 10/18/89
    Weapon Used: Browning Deluxe Nomad II GLX,Easton XX75/2117, Wasp
    Hunting Method:  Treestand
    Distance of shot: 18 yds
    Distance deer travelled: ~ 200 yards
    Comments:  Found deer dead the next day, quartering away shot which
    	       hit paunch/liver.  VERY little blood sign, all internal.
    

    
    TYPE OF DEER: Mulie doe
    Weight: 100lbs (field dressed)
    Date: 10/21/89
    Weapon Used: Remington 700 BDL, 30-06 150 gr SBT
    Distance of shot: 120 yds
    Distance deer travelled: dropped in it's tracks
    Comments:  Hit her in the lung/spine and she dropped where she stood. 
               Got her 20 minutes out of camp opening morning.
    	       
    

    
    TYPE OF DEER: Whitetail buck
    WEIGHT: 206 lbs.
    POINTS: 9
    DATE/TIME  Oct. 28th, 12:00 noon
    CITY/STATE Litchfield, Maine
    FIREARM:    .308 BLR    180 grain silvertip
    METHOD OF KILL:  Still hunting in the alders, the buck was walking at
                     me. I shot him in the neck at 50 fe.

    Re. 206 lbs.
    
    	That's one fine 9 pointer to be proud of. Congratulations.
    
    	Red

    
    
       Congrats.....  Nice buck....  To bad you filled your tag the
    first day though... AWhat ya gonna do the rest of the season??
    
    
          Again Congratulations...
    
    
                Jeff

    
    
    Type of Deer: Whitetail
    Points: 4
    Date/Time: Oct. 31, 6:05 AM (before work)
    State: N.H.
    Weapon Used: .50 Cal Hawkins
    Method of Kill: Tree stand, 60 ft., 1 shot, dropped in tracks.
    Projectile: 385 gr HP Buffalo Bullet
    
    
    

    
    
    Type of Deer    :: Whitetail buck (spikehorn)
    Weight          :: Approx. 150 lbs.
    Date/Time       :: 10/28/89 at 9:45 a.m. (opening day for residents)
    State/Town      :: Maine, Knox
    Firearm         :: Remington Mod. 740 Cal. .308
    Hunting Style   :: Stand (sitting on blown-down tree, actually)
    Distance        :: Approx. 25 yds
    
    I know this sounds a lot like last years entry. What can I say ?
    

    
    Type of Deer    :: Mule deer buck (spike)
    Weight          :: Approx. 150 lbs.
    Date/Time       :: 11/04/89 at 6:45 a.m. (opening day for residents)
    State/Town      :: Colorado, Poudre Canyon
    Firearm         :: Remington Mod. 700 Cal. .30-06 (Leopold 3x9 scope)
    Ammo            :: Winchester 150 gr. Silver Point
    Hunting Style   :: Stand (sitting on an outcropping of rocks)
    Distance        :: Approx. 200 yds
    
    This was my first buck!

    Type of Deer    :: White Tail 4 Point
    Weight          :: 140 lbs.
    Date/Time       :: 11/12/89 at 8:15 AM
    State/Town      :: NH / Francistown
    Firearm         :: Remington Mod. 7400 Cal. .308 (Burris 1-3/4x5 scope)
    Ammo            :: Winchester 150 gr. Silver Tip
    Hunting Style   :: Tree Stand on my back, heading out???
    Distance        :: Approx. 40 yds

    I had just came out of the tree, packed up my stuff and walked 10 yards.

    
    
    Type of deer    :: White Tail Buck 4 point
    Weight          :: 105 lbs.????????????
    Date/Time       :: 11/08/89   8:20 am
    State/town      :: NH/Concord
    Firearm         :: Moss. 500 D.U. edition 28" vent rib mod choke
    Ammo            :: BRENEKE magnum slugs
    Hunting Style   :: sitting on a bucket on the ground and waiting......
    distance        :: 70 yrds quartering away entered behind last rib
                       removed ribs 6 7 & 8 and broke the spine there
                       then traveled downward breaking the right shoulder
                       blade then came to rest right under the skin on
                       the front of his shoulder.
                         This one dropped right in his tracks.

    type	: Whitetail buck 9 points
    weight	: 172lbs
    time	: 11/11  9:00am
    state/town	: phillipston mass
    firearm     : bow and arrow / ground blind
    
    

    
    
        Type     : whitetail small buck
        weight   : ? 90-100 lbs
        time     : 10/16/89
        state    : good ole Pennsylvania
        weapon   : GOLDEN EAGLE CAM HUNTER
        ammo     : 2216 XX75 32" with SAVORA 4 blade heads
        distance : 17 yrds
        comments : the deer only walked 30 yrds before falling dead,
                   broadhead dropped both lung off the heart they were
                   just lying in the chest cavity.
    
                                                             Lee
    

    
    TYPE: 	8 POINTER
    WEIGHT:     128 LBS       
    TIME/DATE:	7:00 AM 11/14/89
    TOWN/STATE: SO. WOODSTOCK, VERMONT
    WEAPON:     CUSTOM BOLT .270, 130 GRN SPBT HANDLOADS, 3X9 BURRIS
    STYLE:      STILL HUNTING
    COMMENTS:	DEER CAME UP THROUGH THE HARDWOODS SLASHINGS ABOUT 150
                YARDS OUT, 70 YARD SHOT, DROPPED LIKE IT WAS HIT BY 
           	LIGHTENING, SPINE SHOT...  AND WITH A MEASELY .270 8^)
 	
    

    
    TYPE:	12 Point White Tail. (eastern count)
    WEIGHT:	167 LBS ( no heart/liver )
    TIME/DATE:	4:30 PM 11/14/89
    TOWN/STATE:	Southampton, Mass
    		( on U_THINK_I'M_GOING_TO_TELL_YA Mountin )
    WEAPON:	BEAR Bio-Tech 55lbs peak pull speed weels,
    		Easton XX75 2117 fitted with Razorback 5
    STYLE:	Tree Stand
    COMMENTS:	( Complete story in reply 108.14 )
    		(I've hunted deer for over 20 years but this is only
    		 my second season using a bow and is my first bow kill. )
    
    	Steve Drumm
                

    Type of deer: Buck, 8-points
    Weight      : 185 lbs.
    Date/Time   : 11/13 at 3:30 pm
    Where       : Moosehead Lake, Maine
    How		: Still-hunting a scrape line
    What	: Winchester Model 94 in a .30-30; Federal 170 grain
    Misc.       : This buck made all the wrong moves.  He was walking
    with his back to the wind with his nose to the ground.  I thought
    it was my father or Tom Davis, that's how much noise he was making.
    Just as I was ready to whistle to whoever it was, I saw the nose
    and then the rack.  One shot to the neck and he was down like a
    bag of rocks.  Got him back to camp after 10:00 pm.
    
    I'm not too pumped.  ;*)
    
    Mark.

    
    
    Type of deer: Buck, 5-point
    Weight      : 110 lbs.
    Date/Time   : 11/19 at 11:15 am
    Where       : Greenville, NH
    How	 	: Still hunting behind a swamp
    What	: Ruger 44 mag carbine, Speer 240 grain hollow point, 22
    		  grains of 2400 powder, large pistol primer.
    Misc	: The deer dropped two feet off a grass road. So after a
    		  drag of only 200 feet my hunting partner drove my truck
    		  to the deer. Best drag you could get.......
    
    sjn

    
    Type of Deer: Whitetail Buck
    # of points:  5
    Weight:       147 lbs. (no Heart/Liver)
    Date:         11/16/89
    Time:         9:15 a.m. (Canadian)
    Location:     New Brunswick,Canada
    Style:        Ground Stand
    Firearm:      Winchester model 70 XTR Featherweight .270 (Custom Built)
    Ammo:         Federal Premium 130gr. Boattail
    Distance:     120 yards Broadside, hit in 1 inch behind shoulder taking
                  out lungs.
    
    Misc:         First "Full Racked" Buck
    

    Type of Deer: Whitetail buck, 7" spikes
    Weight      : 110 lbs.(no heart/no liver)
    Date/time   : November 17, 1989 - 4:15PM
    Where       : Fort Ann, New York
    How         : Stand Hunting
    What        : Winchester Model 94, 30/30, Remington 170 gr.
    
    Misc.      Yes, it's true. You can train deer. Not only did I get this
               one to come out in exactly the same place and time as the
               one last year but I taught him to run down to the brook
               which was about 40 feet from the paved road before he 
               died. ;^)

    Type of Deer: Whitetail Buck
    # of points : 17 (eastern count)
    Weight      : 197 lbs.
    Date        : 11/13/89
    Time        : 4:30 pm. (Canadian)
    Location    : New Brunswick, Canada.
    Style       : Ground Stand.
    Firearm     : Rem. 700 BDL 7mm Mag.
    Ammo        : Federal Premium 160 GR. Nosler Partition
    Distance    : 120 Yds. broadside.
    
    Misc.       : Rack had 13 main tines and 4 sticker points. Non-Typical.
    
    

    Couldn't stick a 3 pound rock in its mouth, huh?
    
    :*)
    
    Mark.

    Type of Deer:  Whitetail Doe
    Weight      :  115 lbs
    Date        :  11/20/89
    Time        :  7:05 am
    Location    :  Rockland, NY
    Weapon      :  .35 REM
    Method      :  Stand
    Distance    :  80 yds
    Comments    :  Kind of embarrassed about entering this after the
                  last couple of entries! Geez, don't any of you guys
                  shoot does?  Next year it's a buck!
                     

    TYPE:          WHITETAIL
    # OF POINTS:   8
    WEIGHT:        181
    DATE:          11/23
    TIME:          NOON
    LOCATION:      DEAD RIVER   ME.
    FIREARM:       30/06  MODEL 760 REM.
    AMMO:          150 GRN. POINTED SOFTPOINTS
    DISTANCE:      30 YRD.
    
    1 SHOT THROUGH THE NECK 

    Type:	Whitetail Buck (forkhorn)
    Weight:	90 lbs
    Time:	11/25 (shot at 8:00 am, collected him at 2:00 pm)
    Where:	Malden Bridge, New York
    How:	Ground Stand
    What:	Remington 742 30/06, 180 grain corelock
    Distance:	30-35 yards
    Comments:	Same buck I saw the last day of archery.  I had a
    		quartering away running shot. I hit him behind the left
    		front shoulder (up high). The bullet traveled forward and
    		broke the right front leg. He bled very little at first. 
    		Later, I found two of his beds with a lot of blood in them.
    		I left the woods to let him bed down. Caught up to him
    		just before 2. A running shot at 70 yards put him down for
    		keeps. Special thanks to the land owners who were nice
    		enough to let me pursue my wounded deer on their land!
    		It was worth the additional effort. I've now gained
    		permission to hunt their land next year.  

    TYPE:       Whitetail
    # Points:   6
    Date/Time:  Nov.13th 8:00A.M.
    State/Town: Maine,Township C
    Firearm:    Winchester Model 70, 30-06
    Ammo:       180 Grain Remington soft point
    Hunting Style: Tracking
    Distance:   70 yards

    Type:          Whitetail
    # of Points:   5
    Weight:        135lbs.  144lbs.for note 97                               
    Date/Time:     Nov.20th 11:30 A.M.
    State/Town:    Vermont,Bolton
    Firearm:       Winchester Model 70 30-06
    Ammo:          180 Grain Remington Soft Point
    Hunting Style: Tracking
    Distance:      30 Yards laying in it's bed
    
    

    Type:          Whitetail
    # of Points:   8" Spike
    Weight:        110 lbs                               
    Date/Time:     Nov.20th 9:30am
    State/Town:    Springfield, West Virginia
    Firearm:       Remington; Model 7600; .30-06
    Ammo:          165 grain Federal Boattail Softpoint
    Hunting Style: Stand (ground, not tree)
    Distance:      45 Yards as it moved past me (feeding) in heavy cover. 
    Misc:	   Windy as all get out.  Didn't even hear the deer.  Saw a
		   flick of movement, looked over and saw one deer moving behind
		   a tree.  Saw the second one come across the trail.  Second
		   one was a nice doe.  Waited for the other one to move out
		   from behind the tree.  It lifted it's head, I saw the horns,
		   CRACK!  One shot broadside, behind the shoulder, punched both
		   lungs and broke the opposite shoulder.  Ran about 15 yds and
		   dropped.

 	
	Type: Buck of Whitetail

      Weight: 201 Lbs.

     # Point: 8

   Date/Time: Nov. 7th 8:30 AM

  State/Town: MAINE, Township C.

    Firearms: Winchester M. 100 Cal. 308

        Ammo: 165 Gr. Boat Tail Softpoint FEDERAL

    Distance: 70 yards

	misc:  I am an Italian hunter, and this is my first whitetail deer,
	       and my first hunting experience in U.S.A. 
	       I want give a special thanks to my friend Bruce Moultroup,
	       for his help, expecially in draging the deer!!!

    	Welcome to the world of Whitetail Deer hunting. Congratulations
    on you Buck, and also on your visit to the USA.
    
    	Red_Deer_Less_This_Year

    
    
    
    Hey Bruce.   How the Hell do you do it??? Every year you end up
    with a couple of them....  SHEEEEEESHSHSHS....   
    
    
                Jeff_Who_Missed_3_Racks_This_Year....  )-:

    TYPE:          Whitetail
    # Points:      8
    Weight:        153lbs.
    Date\Time:     Dec. 2  11:00A.M.
    State\Town:    New York,Keene
    Firearm:       Winchester Model 70 30-06
    Ammo:          180 Grain Remington soft point
    Hunting Style: Still Hunting
    Distance:      70 Yard running shot
    Misc:          A hunting buddy and i went to New York for one last try
                   before the end of the season. Around 11:00 he shot and
                   a couple of minutes later he fired two signal shots to
                   let me know that he had got one. I eas following two
                   tracks that were heading in his direction so i stayed
                   on the tracks as i headed up in his direction. After
                   just a short distance a deer started running broadside
                   ahead of me. As soon as i got the scope on him i could
                   see horns and shot and down he went but he got back
                   up and stood there all hunped up. [gut shot] My next
                   bullet didn't go off and my three bullet did to put
                   him down again, but he still had his head up very much
                   alive. The rest of the shells in my gun wouldn't go
                   off and the first shot after reloading hurriedly didn't
                   go off, but finally another bullet works and finishes
                   him off. The temperture was -10 degrees when we left 
                   home that morning. After gutting my deer i walked up
                   to where my hunting buddy was and he had a 10 pointer
                   weighting 186. Dragging two deer out together took us
                   until 4:00 to get to the road.    
               on the tracks as i headed up in his direction. After
    just
    let
    
    
    
    

    TYPE:          Whitetail
    # Points:      3	;1 spike, 1 fork
    Weight:        100lbs.
    Date\Time:     Nov 27  08:00 A.M.
    State\Town:    Mass, Hancock 
    Firearm:       Remington 870 3" mag
    Hunting Style: On stand
    

    
    Type of Deer: Whitetail Buck
    # of points:  7 inch Spikes
    Weight:       110lbs
    Date:         29-Nov-89
    Time:         7:10am
    Location:     Ipswich Mass.
    Style:        Ground Stand
    Firearm:      Remington 1100 12ga.
    Ammo:         1oz. Slug
    Distance:     25yds
    
    Rick

    .re. .104
    
    Were you shooting old ammo?  I've never heard of anyone having
    misfire problems like you described.  I think I'd check out the
    ammo or the gun or both.  It would sure be enough to worry me.
    
    

    
     I have seen this problem (ammo not firing) and its been a problem
    with the firing pin. One was  oil/grease freezing up and slowing down
    the pin enough to cause a misfire. The other is a weak or broken
    spring.
    
               Wayne

      My dad has a .308 Savage that he has had for years, and never
    had a problem with it. He missed a buck a couple years ago on a
    day that was below zero wind chill and snow real hard. Put the 
    scope on the deer (bedded down), squezzed the trigger.... nothing.
    Jacked a shell out, squezzed again....nothing. One more shell (the
    deer was still laying there), squezzed and it fired. Missed the 
    deer. All we can figure is that the firing pin froze. By the time
    he got to the third shell, he's not sure he took careful enough
    aim, and ended up grazing the deer's back (lots of hair, no blood).
    He wasn't sure if the gun was going to fire, and he may have flinched
    a little. Usually he's a sure shot.
    
    -Ron-
    

    re:.108
    
    its happened twice with a couple of guys in VT, once with the gun not
    firing cause of the crud freezing and slowing the firing pin, and
    another time cause of the crud causing the pin to stick out and setting
    off the gun when a round was chambered... good case for muzzle control!
    
    Fra

    I never had any problems with the gun or ammo before but i'm going to
    replace the firing pin and spring before next year. The bolt was
    cleaned last winter and they put real light oil on it before they
    reassembled it. I beleive this oil froze just enough to keep the
    firing pin from hitting as hard as it should.

    
    
       3 DEER??????   I'm following Mr. Moultroup Next year..
    
    
                    Congrats Bruce...  Ya deserve it the way you hunt..
    
    
              Jeff.... I'll be back in the spring bruce.. Just in time
    for Softball.......   Jasons's Destroyers
    
    
             

    Type:	   Whitetail
    # Points:	   5
    Weight:	   137 lbs
    Date/Time:	   Dec 2 7:30 AM
    State/Town:    Sandown, N.H.
    Firearm:	   Charles Daly U/O 12 GA.
    Hunting Style: On Stand
    Distance:	   75 Ft Running
    Misc:	   First shot was a clean miss. Second shot broke the left
    	           shoulder and severed the wind pipe. He went down right
    		   right where he was hit. This may be some kind of record
                   because it took me 28 years to get him. I hope the
    	           second one doesn't take as long. But on the other hand I
                   hope I'm still hunting 28 years from now.
    

    Type:          Whitetail
    # Points	   8
    Weight	   127 lbs.
    Date/Time	   Dec. 2  7:00AM
    State/Town	   Albany, N.H.
    Firearm	   Mauser M98  .308 cal.
    Hunting Style: Stand,  sitting on a stump
    Comments: 		I am putting this in for my brother, although
    		   he does not work for DEC, I thought I might add a
    		   couple points of interest. The previous weekend he
    		   had grazed this same deer (how many people actually
    		   have a second chance at the same deer and make good
    		   on it). The reason we knew this is a small, but healed
       		   wound on the same shoulder he shot. It was easy to
    		   tell as a small scab was still present. We figure
    		   that the reason this deer didn't weigh as much as
    		   it looked was it had run itself down from the rut.
    		   There was no fat on this animal. There was a much
    		   bigger deer in this same area, We had both seen it
    		   and I had gotten one shot at it from 400 yards. But
    		   I missed as it was running. This one had 12 points
    		   and more than likely was the 8 pointers father. 2
    		   of the 8 points had about one inch missing. Probably
    		   from a previous fight with another deer. Like I said
    	  	   my brother does not work for DEC so if this is in-
    	 	   appropriate please remove it Mr. Moderator. My brothers
    		   name is Scot.

    NH archery opens this weekend...  PA archery opens the 29th... and i'm
    sure there must be a few already open now.  Soooooo
    
    The SUCCESSFUL DEER HUNTING NOTE is open, took a long time getting
    here.  This is the place for all those 1990 DEER HUNTING TROPHYS.
    
    Looking forward to some great reading, good luck to all!
    
    Fra

    
     Well I guess I will start this off. I got my first archery deer on
    Sept. 23rd about 40 min after the sun came up on opening day. I shot 
    him, field dressed him and drug him back to the truck by 8:22 am....
     I am real happy that I got one, but now what do I do the rest of the
    season 8^(. 
     Tale of the tape; Rocky Mtn. Mule deer, Spike, 130 lbs, 1 arrow and he
    ran about 80 yds.
    
                                      Good luck to everyone !
    
                                                              Mark
    
    P.S. He maybe small, but oh how tender and good !
    
    

    
    Whoops, correction to that last reply, I shot my deer on AUGUST 23rd
    not September 23rd. My arrows are fast, but not quite fast enough to
    soot deer into the future. 8^)
    
                                                  Mark
    
    

    
    
    Type of Deer:  Whitetail Spike
    Weight:  ?? - Let you know when I check it in
    Date/Time: 9-Oct-1990 ~ 5:00 pm
    Method:  Treestand
    Shot distance:  12 yards
    Distance travelled:  ~ 60 yds
    weapon:  Browning Deluxe Nomad II GLX, Easton xx75 camo 2117, Wasp 
    	     3- bladed low profile heads.
    
    Comments:  Heart Shot!!  Yeah!!  He couldn't have died quicker with my
    	       .308 ..  Shot on the edge of the hardwoods/softwoods, 1.5
    	       miles back.  I hope my luck continues, I can get used to
    	       this.
    

    Way to go Rob...
    
    	Red

    
    	Thanks Red, The rest of the stats on that spike of 10/9
    
    Weight:  110 lbs
    Town/location:  Williston/Richmond line
    
    - Rob

    
    
    
          GAME: WHITETAIL BUCK 4PT HALF RACK
          DATE: Oct 15 1990
          Place: Pennsylvania
          Weapon: Golden Eagle Camhunter @ 65lbs pull
          Ammo:  Easton GamegetterII 2216 savora SS broadhead
          Distance: 12 yrds
          Distance traveled: 36 yrds
          Weight: 145
    
      this deer was shot in the front shoulder and the arrow came out
    between his hind legs total arrow penetration was 28.5 in.
    
    
                                                  good luck
                                                 >>>-------LEE---->
    

    
    Type of Deer: Whitetail Buck
    # of Points : 5 (eastern count)
    Weight      : 128
    Date        : 10/28/90, Recovered 10/29/90
    Time        : 4:05 p.m.
    Location:   : Chester, N.H.
    Style       : Ground Stand
    Firearm     : T/C New Englander .50 caliber Muzzle Loader
    Ammo:       : 355 grain T/C Maxi Hunter with 96 grains Pyrodex
    Distance    : 35 yards  Left angle Broadside shot
    
    Misc.       : Special Thanks to Guy Pappalardo,Gilles Pelletier,
                  Joe Pappalardo, and Frank Pappalardo for the extra
                  effort in helping find the deer after a nights rain
                  washed away the blood trail.
    

    Type of Deer: Whitetail Doe
    # of points:  0 (obviously)
    Weight      : 125 lbs (guesstimate)
    Date        : 10-27-90
    Time        : 6:15 p.m.
    Location    : Just out of Monticello, Ga. (Jasper Co.)
    Firearm     : Marlin lever action 30/30 w/ 3x9x32 scope
    Hunting style: sitting my big butt on the ground .
    
    Misc:  I heard this deer blowing at 6 p.m., could not see it.  Sat back
    down on my ground spot, leaning against a tree.  At 6:15, just took a
    panoramic view of my area, and there she was, 45 yds behind me in the
    hardwoods.  I lined up a shot in the shooting lane I was to use, she
    stepped into it, and BOOM.  She dropped where I shot her. Shot her in
    the neck.
    
    Bob
    

    Type of Deer : Whitetail
    Sex          : Buck
    # of points  : 4 (Spike with small eye guards)
    Weight       : 130 (field dressed)
    Date         : 10-20-90
    Time         : 11:07 am
    Location     : Monticello, GA.
    Firearm      : Remmington 742/30.06 with 3x9 scope. 
    Ammo         : Federal 170 grain HI-SHOK
    Style        : Stand hunting in my favorite tree stand.
    
    Misc:  I had been sitting in my stand all morning and hadn't seen
    a single deer when this buck appeared on my left. I couldn't tell
    if it was a buck or doe when I saw it.  The deer was coming right
    for me when it turned toward the old logging road that I was hunting
    on.  At this time I could no longer see the deer and I figured that
    unless the deer walked down the road I would never see it again as
    it was so thick on both sides of the road.  I was probably 15 yards
    off the road.  I had two openings on the road that were directly in 
    front of me and I was hoping that the deer would walk down the rd. 
    As I had figured the deer re-appeared in the first opening on the road
    and that is when I saw it was a buck so I raised my rifle and aimed at
    the other opening waiting for him to walk by.  The second opening was 
    not as big as I would have liked, but it was all I had to work with.
    First came the deers head and then his front shoulder passed thru my
    shooting lane.  I dont even remember pulling the trigger, all I heard 
    was a shot and the buck flipping over and landing just inches off the 
    road where he kicked a couple of times before expiring.  
    
    The next weekend I hunted the same stand with my 10 year old son at my
    side and missed a doe running away from me(with my other rifle, 30/30.,
    scope not zeroed in).  I'm taking a break to spend time with the wife
    but will be back in the wood in a week or so hunting 10 to 2 for big
    bucks. (10 to 2 means 10 am to 2 pm for those of you that didnt know)
    
    bye
     
                
    
    

    Jasper County Georgia scores again, eh Earl?  Why didn't you let these
    people know that .123 and .124 were both shot within 300 yds of each
    other?  Oh well, thats Georgia huntin.
    
    bob
    

    
    
    Type of Deer: Buck
    Weight: 185 before dressing
    Date/Time:  25-Oct-90 0930 hours Approx.
    Location; South Carolina, NE area
    Firearm: .444 Marlin
    Shot Placement: ender mid snout,right side, came out middle of neck
                    left.
    Hunt Style: fixed tree stand.
    
    My first buck, 
    
    Cheers
    Leonard
    

    
    Type of Deer: Whitetail Buck
    # of Points : 11 (Eastern Count)
    Weight      : 195
    Date        : 11/08/90
    Time        : 3:15 p.m.
    Location    : South Paris, Maine
    Style       : Ground Stand, Rattling
    Firearm     : Rem 700 BDL 7mm Mag, Marlin 336 .35 Remington
    Distance    : 1st shot 75 yards (7mm), 2nd 35 yards (.35 Rem)
    
    Misc.       : Al was rattling when four Doe's came in within 10 minutes, 
                  one came into 15 yards. A short time later the back came into
                  range at 75 yards and Al shot hitting in the hip area. He
                  called to his nephew Garrick Frost and he saw the deer trying
                  to get up and go. He fired at 35 yards and downed the buck.
                  It then slid down the hill causing a 3 1/2 hour drag. Garrick
                  tagged the buck as he had the fatal shot. The bucks horns
                  had the following measurements. Inside spread 17 1/2",
                  Outside spread 19", and a Tip to Tip of 8 3/4".
    

    Nice buck!
    
    Mark.

                                                   
        Type of Deer: Whitetail Buck
        # of Points : 4
        Weight      : 236 lbs (fully dressed!)
        Date        : 11/10/90
        Time        : 8:45 am
        Location:   : Pittsburg, N.H.
        Style       : Still hunting
        Firearm     : Remington 742 - 30.06
        Distance    : 30 yards  
        Misc	    : Split his heart in two pieces

        Type of Deer: Whitetail Buck
        # of Points : 5
        Weight      : 128 lbs 
        Date        : 11/11/90
        Time        : 6:30 am
        Location:   : Wilton, N.H.
        Style       : Still hunting
        Firearm     : Remington 11-87
	Ammunition  : 440 grain sabot slug
        Distance    : 25 yards  
        Misc	    : demolished his lungs; 1 shot kill

 My first deer!

 The Doctah

                   (Venison this winter!!)
    
    Type: Whitetail buck
    Pts.: 4
    Wt. : app.115-120lbs
    date: 11-10-90
    time: 6:45am
    Town: Mason N.H.
    Style: Home made tree stand (permanent)
    Firearm: Marlin 336c .35 caliber with 2.5 pwr weaver scope
    Dist.: 50 yds
    Misc.: Deer had just finished checking his scrape when I placed the
    first bullet behind his shoulder for a lung shot. He started running
    and I put another one into the same lung a little further back. Deer
    dropped about 25 yds later trying to clear a blowdown.

    
    
    TYPE: WHITETAIL BUCK
    # POINTS: Spikehorn
    WEIGHT: 104 lbs, fully dressed
    DATE/TIME: Nov 10 / 6:50 AM
    TOWN/STATE: Fairfax, VT 
    FIREARM: Rem. Model 7600, .270 - Federal Premiums, 130gr., Redfield 2-7X 
    STYLE: sitting
    DISTANCE: 30 yds.
    
	
    COMMENTS:   As anyone who hunted Sat. knows, it was pouring rain...I didn't
		hear the deer coming, but caught a glimpse as he ran by, I 
	 	spotted some antler and waited for a shot.  He slowed as he
		passed in front of me, when he came into my shooting lane he
		was dropped on the spot with a bullet at the base of the neck,
		just in front of the shoulders.  Back at home in front of the
		woodstove by 9:00 AM.  
    
    
    Kevin
                                       
    

>>        Type of Deer: Whitetail Buck
>>        # of Points : 4
>>        Weight      : 236 lbs (fully dressed!)
  
      Wow, a 236lb 4-pointer?!?!?! I assume that is eastern count???
    Nice buck!
    
    -Ron-

                -< and you thought Vt deer had small racks... >-
    
    >>        Type of Deer: Whitetail Buck
    >>        # of Points : 4
    >>        Weight      : 236 lbs (fully dressed!)
    
          Wow, a 236lb 4-pointer?!?!?! I assume that is eastern count???
        Nice buck!
     
    
    !!  Thanks - The antlers were real thick, with 3 points on one antler
    !!  and one on the other.  Also had a big gash below one eye where
    !!  another buck musta got him while fighting.  Each of the points
    !!  were 2 to 3 inches, so I guess that's 4 points however you count
    !!  'em!  F&G biologist said he's 5 1/2 years old and the biggest
    !!  he'd seen so far this year.
    
    j
    

    Finally scored again...
    
    type:        Whitetail buck
    # of points: spike (2)
    weight:      120lbs fully dressed
    date:        Oct 28 1990
    time:        10:00 AM
    location:    Atkinson & Gilmanton Academy Grant, Northern NH
    style:       still hunting
    firearm:     H&R Springfield Stalker, 58 caliber
    ammo:        roundball (260 grains) over 80 grains of fffG
    distance:    35 yards
    
    misc: He came out of the rasberries about 40 yards from me. I watched
    till I could get a good shot. Placed the bead right on his chest and 
    let 'er go. When the smoke cleared he looked "bewildered" but none the
    worse for wear. As he was walking away I noticed the tail was "dancing
    around". Sure enough, about 10 seconds later I heard the "crash and th-
    rash", and then silence. After loading up again I walked down to where
    I last saw him, and sure enough he was stone dead. It's amazing how
    well these old time rifles with a roundball kill deer...
    
      BTW, this is one "good eating" deer!
    
    Joe  
    

	TYPE:     WHITETAIL DEER
	# POINTS: 6
	WEIGHT:	  125 LBS.
	DATE:     11-10-90
	TIME:	  8:00 AM
	LOCATION: RINDGE, N.H.
	STYLE:    STILL HUNTING
	FIREARM:  REM. 30-06
	DISTANCE: 30 YDS
	COMMENTS: 17th. DEER TAKEN

    
    
    Type of deer    :: Whitetail buck (young one with no antlers but I had
                       an "Any deer permit")
    Weight          :: approx. 100 lbs
    Date/Time       :: 10/27/90 (opening day for residents)
    State/Town      :: Maine/Knox
    Firearm         :: Rem. Mod. 740 cal .308
    Hunting style   :: Sitting on a blown down tree 
    Distance        :: 50 ft and closing (he was running right toward me,
                       I had to shoot him in self-defence.
                       

    
     
     Type:Whitetail (Doe)
     Date:11-9-90
     Time: Hopkiton N.H.
     Weapon 30/30 marlin scope
     Yards  70 
     Comments.  First deer I had seen during the Gun season this year
      droped right there . Shot above the shoulder hit the back bone. 
      Now I can look for the big one with the Bow.
                                                    Good Luck
                                                            <<----Mike--<<<
    

    
    Correction to .127, the actual weight turned out to be 203 lbs. on a
    calibrated scale. So this will allow it to be entered in the Maine 
    Big Buck club for 1990.  
    
                                      AL

    
    My First Deer....Ever...
    
    Type: Whitetail Buck
    Pts : 4
    Wt. : 125 lbs
    Date: 11-9-90
    Time: 4:20 pm
    Town: Carlisle, Ma
    Style: Ground stand
    Firearm: Bow < Browning >
    Dist: 30 yrds
    
    This is my first deer ever...The shot was about 30 yrds, The deer was
    coming up from behind me, a branch snapped, I turned very very slowly
    and there it was.  I turned and shot, the arrow hit a branch and hit
    the deer in the spine and dropped it.  I waited about an hour, now
    knowing where I hit the deer I approched with caution just in case.
    Well I'm glad I did, the deer was still alive, that's when I saw where
    I hit him.  I had to slice the throat to put him down, not my idea of
    fun.  Well after that was over and the deer was dressed out the fun
    past began, the drag out of the woods.  Got to the truck at 10:00pm.
    
    All in all I had a great time and can't wait till next year.  Hope to
    do it again.
    
    Steve
    

    rep:.142
    
    "all in all I had a great time, can't wait till next year..."
    
    Steve, why wait till next year, get back out there and fill your 
    second tag... second one's a charm now, don't have to see bone till
    shotgun opens...  congrats, and good luck for the remainder...
    
    Fra

 
    
    My First Deer....
    
    Type: Whitetail Doe
    Pts : 
    Wt. : 80 lbs
    Date: 11-17-90
    Time: 7:10 AM
    Town: Sturbridge, Ma
    Style: Ground stand, Hemlock cover
    Firearm: Bow, old Bear Whitetail Hunter
    Dist: 3 yards
    
    Three deer came over the rise about 30 yards away headed right at me.
    She dropped 20 feet from the initial hit. 
    
	    
    

    
    Fra
    	Just got the ok from the wife for the 3 days in blackpowder.
    
    Is my second tag good for blackpowder and if so can I still drop a deer
    of either sex.  Never had this opportunity before.
    
    Thanks
    Steve
    

    
    re.145
    
             Steve, to answer your question, "YES" on both counts. Your
    second tag is good in "Primative Firearms" season and you can take
    either sex.
    
                                                       Guy
    

	I got a nice 2 x 2 mule deer buck, 3rd season, 11/7/90.  Came home
	on Thursday (11/8/90), left on Friday (11/9/90) for Kansas opening 
	day of pheasant season.  Got our limit both days.  Came home with
	8 pheasant.

	It was successful from a hunting point of view, but I'm still making
	up to my wife for being gone so long... :-)

	+- Mark

	I wonder if there is a Pamala and Yvonne (P&Y) book?

	Type : Whitetail Doe
	Pts  : 2 that's what I said...2. Has real short spikes about 1/2 inch.
	Wt   : Estimated: 90-105 probably closer to the 90.
	Date : 11/19/90
	Time : 4:58 pm
	Town : Southampton Ma.
	Style: Tree stand
	Arm  : Bear super Kodiak Bio-Tech
	Dist : 8-9 yds.
	

	Note: I had been watching the area for a week now and the does had
been walking past my stand on the trail for several days. I am hunting for
a large buck in the area so I had been letting the does pass in hopes the
buck was right behind. Monday however I had to shoot in self defense! At the
time the does usually came by I could hear them again. This time one of them
came a different route. She came from my right and was heading right at my
tree. When she got to 10 yds I knew what she was up to. She was going to eat
the bark off my tree, let the tree die and the wind blow it over thereby
putting me in grave danger on breaking my neck. She was so close I didn't
let her pass this time.

	When the arrow hit her she barely flinched, just walked away wagging
her tail. She stopped about 17 yards away and hunched her back, I took another
shot but hit the branch that was across her kill area. She just walked on
and bedded under a hemlock about 30 yards away from my stand. I waited a half
hour. got down and went to where she was when I first shot. My arrow was there
laying on the ground. It was covered from point to knock with fatty tissue, and
very light pink blood. As I looked at the arrow I heard her move off a few
bounds so I left the area and planned to go back in the morning. I decided
to leave and come back in the AM because it was full dark by now and I didn't
want to push her, she was leaving next to no blood trail. I found her
the next morning under a mountain laurel bush a few yards from the hemlock she
had first bedded under. She had just died a couple hours earlier. The rig
had hardly started to set in.

	Not the buck but a deer. I'll keep up the hunt for big daddy.

	Steve

    re Steve
    
    Where did you hit her?
    
    Kevin

    type: Whitetail Buck
    pts: 2
    Weight: 111 lbs
    Date:  11/24/90
    Time: ~ 10:00 am
    Town: Averill Vt.
    Style:  Stillhunting
    Weapon:  Weatherby VGL .308// Federal Premium 165 gr. Boat-tail.
    

    Type: Whitetail Buck
    Pts : 2
    Wt. : 96 lbs
    Date: 11-24-90
    Time: 9:10 AM
    Town: Fletcher, Vt
    Style: Still hunting, Hemlock cover
    Firearm: Winchester Model 94 30-30, w/ 170grain load
    Dist: approx 25 yards, running (the deer, not me ;-))
    
    Deer was jumped by hunting partner, came right at me, then veered off.
    Pretty thick cover. Was able to get off a quick shot as it disappeared
    over a clump. Piled-up on the spot. Hit it low in the neck. First deer
    in 3 years (its about time). Was a good year, despite the horrible
    weather. See note 737 (later today) for a full report
	    
    
    

    
    TYPE: Whitetail Buck
    PTS:  8
    Weight: 148 lbs
    Date: 11/21/90
    Time: 11:30 a.m.
    Town: Bolton Vermont
    Style: Stillhunting
    Weapon: 30-06 Winchester 180 grain bullets
    Distance: 250 to 300 yard offhand shot
    I pulled the trigger as the crosshairs moved about a foot over the top
    of his back and i couldn't beleive it when he just fell into a heap. I
    had hit him right in the shoulder. It took me about 10 minutes to get
    to him. 
    
    Bruce

    
    type:Whitetail buck
    pts: 3
    weight: 135
    date: 11/23/90
    time: 8:00am
    town: Colchester VT
    style: sitting on my stand. (behind my house)
    weapon: model 760 rem. gamemaster 30-06, 165gr, Bob R. handloads
   

type : whitetail doe
weight : 120 lbs.
date : 11/20/90
town : Newfield, N.Y.
time : 3:30 PM
hunting style : still-hunting/standing
distance: 60 yards
weapon : Remington 870 Pump 12 Ga., Remington slug (chest shot)

comments : My teen-age nephew got a 200 lb. 10 pointer with an 18" spread
           in Brookfield, N.Y. It was his second buck in 3 years. Was he happy !
           Then, my brother-in-law scored on a doe. So we got to hang 3
           on the pole this year. 

    type: whitetail buck, 3 pts
    weight: 137 lbs
    town:  Houtlton, ME
    date:  11/12/90
    time: 3:30
    style: still hunting
    gun:  35 rem.  200grn
    distance: 40 yds
    shot:  neck, dropped immediately
    
    Jeff Amberson
    

    Type: whitetail buck
    weight: aprox 135 lbs
    rack: 6pts, nice six
    town: Livingston Manor, NY
    date: 11/18/90
    time: 7:30 am
    Hunting style: tree stand with bow
    weapon:  Browning Mag Reflex set at 67 lbs.  Muzzy broadheads
    
    Comments:  First deer with a bow.  Deer went about 150 yds after being
    hit trough the liver.  Deer was trying to court a doe when he met his
    demise.  Bow hunting is a gas!
    
    Jeff Amberson

    Congrats Jeff!  Two bucks in two states within a week!  Now you can
    go back to murdering those poor little geese :-)
    
    Mark,
    

    
    Finally bagged #2
    
    Type:   Whitetail buck
    # Pts:    6
    Weight:   195 dressed
    date:     Nov 23 1990
    time:     7:45 am
    town:     Brownsville Jct.
    state:    Maine
    style:    still hunting
    firearm:  Rem. 742 semi. 30-06
    ammo:     180 gr. round nose
    distance: 60 yrds.
    antler-
    spread:   18" tip - tip

    
    Type:   Whitetail buck
    Weight: 92lbs
    # Pts:  Spike
    Date:   Nov. 30th
    Time:   2:15 P.M.
    Town:   Keene New York
    Hunting Style: Tracking
    Distance: 50 Yards
    Weapon: Winchester 30-06

    	RE: .149 Keven
    
    	Sorry for the long time to reply to your question of, "Where did
    you hit her?" I was on vacation all last week and just read your
    question.
    
    	She was between 8 and 10 yards away and standing quartering to my
    right. I aimed just behind her right shoulder and towards the top of
    the kill area. The arrow hit between the third and forth rid behind the
    shoulder and about 3-4 inches ablove the horz. center line of the kill
    area. The arrow did not hit ether rib and made its' exit right where
    you would think the belly button should be.
    
    	The amazing part was she didn't react except to look around when
    the arrow hit. She simply walked away. I thought I had missed at first.
    As she walked away she hunched her back when she was about 17 yards
    away and that told me I had indeed hit her.
    
    	Steve

    Type of Deer : Whitetail
    Sex          : Doe
    Weight       : 120 I guess
    Date         : 12-01-90  next to last day
    Time         : 9:25
    Location     : Monticello, GA
    Firearm      : Old Betsy (30.06)
    Ammo         : Federal 170 gr. HI-SHOK
    Style        : Ground stand
    
        I located a good buck on 11/15 and have been hunting him ever
    since.  I figured if I hunted where there were does then I would see
    him and hopefully get a shot.  Did I mention that I still have not seen
    this deer?  Well to make a long story short, I had 4 does come in on me
    about 50 yds and after I made sure that the buck wasnt on their trail I
    tried to get a shot and as you can tell it was a good one.  I hit her
    in the front shoulder and she ran 10 yds and droped.  Almost got a shot
    on the other three but they never came into a good shooting lane. 
    
         Maybe I'll get the buck during bonus week after christmas.

                             
     Type:	Whitetail buck
     Weight:	190 lbs dressed
     # Pts	9
     Date:	Nov 12 1990
     Time:	8:40
     Town:	Parlin Pond township
     State:	Maine
     Style:	Still Hunting
     Firearm:	Remington M7400 30.06
     Ammo:	Remington 180 gr pointed soft point
     Distance:  Approx 45 yds
    
    
                             

 Great job!

    TYPE-WHITETAIL
    WGHT-155 DRESSED
    PTS-8
    DATE-12-3
    TIME-10:20
    TOWN-GRAFTON,MASS
    STYLE-TRACKING
    GUN-12GA,SLUG
    DISTANCE-45YDS
    
    

    
    
    SO FAR FOR 1990 FELLOW NOTERS TOOK THE FOLLOWING;;;;;;;;;;;;;
    
    
    DOE   HE/SHE BUCK? BUTTON   SPIKE  3PT  4PT  5PT  6PT  8PT  9PT  11PT
    ---   ------ ----- ------   -----  ---  ---  ---  ---  ---  ---  ----
     6    * 1    **1     1        8     2    6    2    4    2    1    1
    
    * Steve Drum's he/she deer
    
    ** Buck entered no points listed.
    
    Total Bucks = 28
          Doe   =  7   
    Total Deer  = 35
    
    Rick
    
       

                             
     Type:	Mule Deer 
     Weight:	~250 #
     # Pts	15  7x8
     Date:	Oct. 23 1990
     Time:	10:00
     Town:	southwest of Yampa
     State:	CO
     Style:	still hunting
     Firearm:	Ruger M77 7x57
     Ammo:	145 grain psp
     Distance:  200 yards
    
This one was taken by Ernie Velez at CXO3.  Since Ernie is read-only in here
I'll post this for him.  I've been hunting for one of these for a long time
and Erine gets this one the second day of his first deer hunt.  He and Ronnie
Smith joined my regular hunting partners this year for deer/elk at the Flat
Tops.  We had hunters from other camps coming by to get their pictures taken
with the head.  Ernie and Ronnie were hunting the base of the Flat Tops when
this one got spooked past Erine.  One shot to the spine took him out.  

re. Ernie's buck

	Gordon, was the rack non-typical?

	Here's my belated entry:
                             
     Type:	Mule Deer (doe) 
     Weight:	app. 120 #
     # Pts	n/a
     Date:	Oct. 2 1990
     Time:	7:30-8:00
     Town:	Carbondale (or thereabouts)
     State:	CO
     Style:	still hunting
     Firearm:	Savage 7mm Mag.
     Ammo:	150 grain 
     Distance:  100 yards

	

	Clay           

                             
     Type:	Whitetail Deer (doe) 
     Weight:	app. 150 #
     # Pts	n/a
     Date:	14 Dec 1990 (2nd last day of season)
     Time:	8:10 am
     Prov:	Ontario
     Style:	ground blind
     Weapon:	140# crossbow
     Distance:  10 yards

	Shot thru the tenderloins, hit both arteries - 50yds

     Type:	Whitetail Deer 
     Weight:	app. 190 #
     # Pts	4
     Date:	15 Dec 1990 (last day of season)
     Time:	8:00 am
     Prov:	Ontario
     Style:	tree stand
     Weapon:	65# XI Impact+
     Distance:  14 yards

	Shot thru spine, dropped on the spot.

 mark	

    
    	Hey Mark, Congratulations! But.....  Were those approximate dressed
    weights or live weights???  You guys got some big doe's and 4-pointers
    up North  :')  
    
    - Rob

Clay,

re. Ernie's buck

>	Gordon, was the rack non-typical?

Yes it was.  It had 5 large symetrical points per side and the other
3 and 4 points were coming out near the forks and about finger size.

>    	Hey Mark, Congratulations! But.....  Were those approximate dressed
>    weights or live weights???  You guys got some big doe's and 4-pointers
>    up North  :')  


Live weights. I get the stuff back from the butcher tomorrow, but i
suspect they hung both on the same hook, so i may not know the
individual weights. The 4 pointer was a BIG 4 pointer. They were both
2 1/2 yrs old.

 mark

They're big, but not that big up here.

    Well I guess with all the seasons already open around the country it's
    time to revive this note for yet another season of successful hunts and
    their trophy details:
    
    good luck to all!!!
    
    Fra

         What: Doe
         Where: N.H.
         When: 9-28-91 @5:00 pm
         Weapon: Pearson Diamond Bak @70 lbs.
                 Wasp tri-blade 130 grns.
         Comments: My first deer taken with a bow.  What a rush!  The
    deer I shot was small but she is still a trophy to me.  There were
    three in the group and she offered me the best shot. She was facing
    me at a slight angle which exposed her whole right side.  I picked
    out a spot and let it fly.  Those broadheads sure do their job.

    
    	Alright! Congratulations, pretty awesome huh?!   The quality of
    the experience of taking a bow deer is not measured in pounds of meat.
    
    - Rob

            Thanks Rob.  The experience of taking that deer will
    remain with me for the rest of my life.  I'm as proud of that
    deer as I am of the first I took with a rifle, actually maybe
    even more.
    
                Bob    

    Congrats Bob! Nothing beats the thrill of arrowing a deer....not to
    mention how difficult it is! You should enter the details when you get
    a chance. I'm sure the minutes seemed like hours as you anticipated
    actually getting the shot off, not to mention how hard it is to breathe
    quietly when your adrenalin is pumped up to that level.
    
    Barry

 Game taken: Bull Moose

 Weight: 900lbs 

 Rack: 6 points, 4 foot beam

 Method taken: Ford Thunderbird Turbo Coupe

 Where and when: Kingston NH, Rt 111 at the Danville town line, 02-Oct-1991 
 @ 6:05 AM


 Hunter suffered a concussion and whiplash. Thunderbird suffered $3136.28 in
estimated damage.


 Be careful out there, the Moose are everywhere!!!
 

    Corky, was that you?  I read in the paper about the accident.  It
    sounds as if it wasn't the same one sighted in Hampton the prior day.
    
    Hope everything is okay.
    
    BTW, did you get the meat?
    
    Mark.

    Corky,
         Tom and I were talking about your moose incident and I would like
    to know what the laws and bag limit with a Thunderbird are in New
    Hampshire.
         Is a Thunderbird overkill in this instance?
    
    						Fred
    
    						

    
    
    	No joke.  It sounds a lot more scary than the Giant Poodle that got
    my Rabbit a few years ago.
    
    	

RE: <<< Note 270.178 by CARROL::LEFEBVRE "Boycott Columbus Day" >>>


 Yep it was me ,, :-)

 See note 1041.10 for the rest of the answer.

 RE:<<< Note 270.179 by SOLVIT::FWALSH >>>
    
 Regarding bag limits,

 Far as I know there ain't no bag limit when hunting with a car. You can
take as many as you can survive hitting. :-)

 Course after hitting the second one, meat storage and finding an insurance 
carrier could become a problem. :-)

 
>>         Is a Thunderbird overkill in this instance?

 I think so.. Just a tad on the overcaliber side. I'd imagine an Escort or a 
Taurus would be a better caliber. :-)

 
    
    			    						

    
    	Type of Deer:  Whitetail Doe
    	Weight:	  ~ 100/110 lbs (gotta check it in tonight...)
    	Date:  10/13/91
    	Time:  6:00 pm
    	Place: Williston, Vt.
    	method: Treestand
    	shot distance: 9 yards
    	placement:  Lungs	
    	Distance travelled after shot: ~ 80 yds
    	weapon used: Browning Deluse Nomad GLX, Easton xx75/2117, Wasp
    		     Hi-tech XLS broadheads
    	Stand location: Hardwoods
        Weather:  Cloudy turning clear and COLD (~ 25 last night)
    	Comments:  Couldn't ask for a better shot, rear-quartering, took 
    		   out both lungs.  I dragged till 10:30 last night...
    		   I'm glad she wasn't any bigger :')
    
    	- Rob

    
    re .183
    
    Way to go Rob!!!!
    
    Now if only I can get them in that close, saw a nice doe Friday
    evening, took a shot, whacked a branch (that I didn't see) about 10
    yds. if front of her...sent my arrow about 6" over her back.  I had
    this one down, I guessed her distance to the yard, 23 yards.  I won't
    have to worry about that limb anymore, my broadhead did a nice job of
    removing it from the small tree.
    
    Congrats...
    
    Kevin

    Rob,
    
    congrats!!!!   way to go!!!   
    
    Fra

    Rob,
    
    	Congratulations. 1 down, 2 to go ( Rifle, Blackpowder ).
    
    Red

    
    re .186
    
    No, 1 down, 1 to go.  Annual limit of 2.
    
    Kevin

    
      Well, I put it in the Archery notes, so I'll put it here too!
    
      I took a 115 lb doe in Wayne county Pa. last Thursday the 10th of
    Oct during Bow season. I used a Martin Lynx Magnum set at 70 lbs
    with 28 1/2" 2117's and Terminator "Lightning" Broadheads. BTW, this
    is my first deer taken with Bow and Arrow...
    
      I had gotten two shots at a four pointer about an hour before I
    got this deer. Both shots hit branches and were deflected away.
    After that, I sat high on a ridge with large trees on both sides, and
    the wind was coming right in my face as I looked downhill. The thermals
    were working just perfect. After about 45 minutes at this stand, I 
    caught noise coming toward me but to my left. Just then 5 deer popped
    into view about 30 yards below me. I drew the bow, then turned to my
    left, and to my surprise, they didn't see me (I was in "Trebarks").
    By this time 4 deer were directly to my left, and the spike buck that
    was running with them was still below me/to my left, and now behind a 
    bush. I figured, "I'd better get one of the four to my left while I
    still can", so I leveled on the chest of the biggest of the four and
    let it go. That arrow hit a small branch too (damnit!) and got her in
    the spine just in front of the hindquarters but in back of the chest.
    I took out fully 85% of her hindquarters, and she half dragged/half
    stumbled down the hill. What an explosion of noise too!!! At the shot
    all I heard were hooves going everywhere, leaves being run over,
    branches being broken, and the sight of the doe going down the hill
    with the arrow banging off of trees and brush. I knew the shot wasn't
    "ideal" since it was deflected, yet I could see she wasn't going to
    travel too far, and even from where I shot the blood was extremely
    heavy. I started down the hill about 5 minutes after the shot. Almost
    immediately I heard her get up and go a bit further. I heard her stop,
    and by that time I was where she had stopped the first time. The amount
    of blood on the ground and on the side of a big oak was unbelieveable.
    I got down on my haunches and looked down the hill. I could see her
    looking all around for me, and trying to get up. After about 5 more
    minutes I rustled the leaves in a "footstep" pattern, and saw her try
    to get up, but she was down for good. I then went down the hill and
    put her down for good. Like I mentioned in the Archery file, it wasn't
    the most pleasant thing I've had to do, but it was better than waiting
    the traditional 1/2 hour... Less suffering on her part even though the
    "heart strings" were tugged mighty heavy...
    
      I'm still hooked on Bowhunting. I'm just going to ensure a better hit
    next time. Those damn branches....sheesh...
    
    
    Joe

	Congrats Joe! Way to go! 

	We have probably all been in the position of having made 
	a less than perfect shot - for one reason or another. I 
	know that it is a sh*t feeling, but then again, that is 
	also hunting. You did not loose her, and you were able to 
	finish it off with relatively little suffering for her. 
	If we learn something from our less fortunate experiences 
	then they have served a purpose. Now put the shot behind you, 
	and be happy you were fortunate enough to take your first 
	archery deer.

	Once again, many congratulations!

							- Mike

    
    
       Well I got back from PA yesterday, The week was ok weather was poor,
    rain,cold,windy.
       I had a doe come in monday morning, then I heard a buck grunting so
    I waited and then when he came out into the open I couldnt draw so I
    let him walk right under my stand, then I drew he walked out to 8 yrds
    and stopped, and when I released the doe lunged at the buck ad he
    jumped and the arrow shaved the hair off the does leg. well the buck
    just walked up the hill and then turned and came back towards me, I got
    another arrow out, bow ready he stops behind a crabapple tree, I draw
    and wait I couldnt hold back anylonger, I started letting the bow down
    and as soon as I did he stepped forward, I was half down and I tried to
    redraw from that point, what a mistake as the feeling of muscles
    tearing and excruciating pain up my neck I wasnt able to draw any
    further or let down easy, so I shot the arrow into the ground, the buck
    walks over smells the arrow and then walks away.
    
       2 days of not knowing if I could draw the bow was always on my mind 
    while I stood in my stand, it was a real chore to even get into the
    stand. then Thursday morning I awoke to 26 degree temps clear calm, as
    I walked to my stand I thought about the big buck I missed and with
    only a couple days left I couldnt wait for him to come around again(I
    did see him wed. night though).
    
       As I got comfortable in my stand I dropped some deer formula onto
    the ground and settled back and began the wait, as the warm eastern sun
    came over the hill the chill was starting to soak through my longjohns
    then at 8:20 I heard a bluejay call behind me so I looked off to my
    left and I see a deer walking towards me through the crabapples, I get 
    ready, things racing through my mind can I draw? am I gonna mess my
    shoulder up worse? am I gonna get a shot? I am now ready she's still
    walking towards me, she puts her head down, I try to draw slow no way,
    I think well try to snap the string back, and it worked I knew I
    couldnt hold for long so when she hit 6 yrds and stopped I relesed
    as I watched my XX75 disapear through her front shoulder I let out a
    sigh of relief, she dropped right there then jumped up and took off as
    I watched she entered a little clearing and stopped for a second then
    took off then I heard the brush crash then total silence, I put my head 
    down and said please let it be over. I then threw an arrow to the place
    she was standing and let my bow down and climbed down out of my stand.
    
         I walked over no blood, walked out to where she ran no blood? then
    to the place she stopped then I say it blood all over the leaves. I
    stuck an arrow there and started the long walk out to my truck, as I am
    walking out I run into a flock of 32 turkeys, I watch them dissappear
    over the hill and look up towards the sun as I realise how its warming
    up. I went home got my wife and the camera and headed back to the
    stand.
    
       We start on the trail and I said if that was her falling she isnt
    far, I looked up and there she was! I said a thank you and then I did
    the chores and then I contemplated on how I was gonna get the deer out
    of there, with some help from my wife 2 hours later we were back out at
    the truck.
    
            perticulars:
    
                    whitetail doe  100 lbs
                    bow: goldeneagle cam hunter 62lbs
                    arrow: 32" XX75 brown cammo
                    broadhead: SAVORA 125 gr 4 blade
                    vitals: through front shoulder blade,lung,liver,stomach
                    distance travleled: 41 yrds
                    shot: partialy quartering towards me
                    distance: 6 yrds.
    
    
    
    
                                                       Lee
    

    
         HOWDY HUNTERS 
    
      THE NAME IS GREG GANNON. I HAVE BEEN DEER HUNTING FOR 4 YEARS NOW AND
    KILLED 4 DEER. I JUST DISCOVERED THIS NOTE, IT'S GREAT.
    
              TYPE: MULE DEER 
               SEX:  BUCK
              RACK: 4 BY 3
            WEIGHT: 200
            METHOD: SNEAKIN AND PEAKEN IN THE TIMBER
            WEAPON: REM. 270/130 GR. NOSSLER SOLID BASE
          DISTANCE: 150 YARDS
    
    ONE SHOT THROUGH THE LUNGS. DROPPED HIM LIKE A TERD FROM A TALL PONY    
      
                   
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    

Hello,


	Didn't have time to enter this last week. I was successful in getting
 my first deer ever in Pa. We left Friday night after work and drove all
night arriving Saturday morning. Got in some Z's on Saturday and scouted
around on Sunday. I set my stand up so that I was watching 2 apple trees.
They were just eating apples like crazy. On Monday morning I didn't see
anything. Monday afternoon got back in my stand at about 2:00. Then all of
a sudden there was a deer standing at the edge of the brush line in front
of me betwen the apple trees. I never heard it coming thru the brush. While
it was eating I stood up and grabbed my bow. It was behind a little tree
and I waited for it to make up its mind which apple tree was it going to
go to. Decided to go to my right and started to quarter away. Came to my
opening at 18 yrds. I drew back and aimed the 20 yrd pin a little below
the belly behind the right shoulder and let the arrow go. I couldn't
believe how long it took the arrow to get there. It was like time stood
still. I saw the arrow enter right behind the right shoulder. When the deer
was running back to the left I saw it sticking out of its front chest. Ran
about 25 yrds and dropped in some heavy brush. Waited a half an hour got
out of my stand and went to the heavy brush. I little 80 pound button buck
was down and dead. What a thrill wathing that arrow enter right where I
wanted it. Now that my first one ever is out of the way, I can't wait for
Nov. 4th.

/Ron

With the cool weather Tuesday and Wednesday I decided to take a couple of
vacation days and try my luck.  I arrived early Tuesday morning and carried
my stand back to an area I have previously jumped deer and set it up.  I got
settled down at 6AM.  6:08 I start hearing noises in front and in back of me.
The one behind sounds like a squirel and the one in front is a solitary snap
like weight being placed on a stick on the ground.  A minute later the one
behind me is moving towards me and I now know it's not a squirel.  I watch
over my sholder and then see a deer coming towards me.  Then I see its a buck.
By now he is just behind me over my left sholder and as he goes behind some
pine brows, I decide to remain seated and raise the gun.  When he he steped out,
I droped him in his tracks 15 yards away.  On the down side, sitting and
shooting behind me didn't give me the normal shooting position and the scope
hit me in the nose requiring 4 stiches.

    
    
       This is posted in the archery file too, for the whole story read it
    there,
    
            Type: whitetail buck spike
            place: sodus point NY
            date: 11-02-91 4:30 pm
            distance: 1 yard
            shot placement: between shoulder blades exit through bottom
                            of chest cavity. lung hit
            distance traveled: 60 yards
            equipment: GOLDENEAGLE CAMHUNTER @62 lbs 
                       32" XX75 2216 SAVORA broadhead
    
    
            This was # 11 with the bow, now I gotta go to Avon for a new 
            deer tag so I can hunt for that big buck in corning!
    
                                            Lee
    

 Why didn't ya just poke it with the arrow? 1 yd? Sheesh! Did you use a cover
scent?

    
    
       No cover scent was used, I tried cover up once and had a deer do
    cartwheels trying to get out of the area after she got wind of it,
    after that I dont use any cover scent at all, I just shower, with
    no soap,shampoo or anything, then I air dry off, and when I put on my
    cammies I have a sock filled with baking soda that I pat under my arms,
    at my groin and behind my knees.
       this has always worked for me, and I have had deer so close I could 
    touch them, I did that once and I will never do it again!!!
    
                                                       Lee
    

    
    
    type: whitetail doe
    where: Erroll, NH
    date: 26-oct-1991
    gun: T/C White Mountain Carbine
    bullet: 385 grain buffalo bullet
    time: 11:00 am
    distance: about 40 yards
    
    I got to hunt grouse and rabbit for the rest of the week.  The trouble
    with killing a deer opening day is you see a big deer the second
    day.

    
    type: whitetail buck (6 pts 4+2)
    where: west of Ottawa, Ont
    date: 4-nov-1991
    gun: Browning 308
    bullet: 180g Federal Nosler Parition
    time: 6:60 am (opening day)
    distance: about 15 yards
    weight:    ~200lbs

    This was a head on shot, but he wouldn't turn & finally saw me &
got nervous. The bullit entered (& destroyed) the front shoulder &
continued thru the heart (i did want to eat it) & then into the
stomache (yeach). I probably should have shot him in the head, but am
so used to lung shooting i never thought of it. He turned & ran like
hell after i shot, so i waited 5 minutes and tried to track him. There
was a small tuft of white hair near where i thought i hit him and NOT
a drop of blood anywhere. I started a zig-zag pattern where i last
heard him & found him about 40 yds from where i hit him. I had already
decided to go back to archery if i really missed (today was the 1st
day of the 6 day rifle season).

Also:
    type: calf moose
    where: North of Mattawa, Ont
    date: 18-oct-1991
    gun: Remington 30-06 Pump
    bullet: 180g 
    time: 10:30 am 
    distance: about 50 yards

    type: Bull moose (4 1/2 yr)
    where: North of Algonquin Park, Ont
    date: 21-oct-1991
    gun: Browning 308
    gun: Remington 30-06 Pump
    bullet: 180g 
    time: 8:00 am (opening day for this area)
    distance: about 50 yards

    type: Bull moose (2 1/2 yr)
    where: North of Algonquin Park, Ont
    date: 21-oct-1991
    gun: Remington 30-06 Pump
    bullet: 180g 
    time: 8:00 am (opening day for this area)
    distance: about 50 yards

the weight of all the moose (hanging) was 1200 lbs.

    mark (so far a great season)

    type:  Mule deer (4 pt)
    where: East of Durango, Col
    date:  2-nov-91
    gun:   270 Weatherby
    bullet: 150 grain Weatherby Magnum
    time:  3 pm
    range: 75-100 yds
    
    
    Hunting partner spooked the deer off the ridge and he came running full
    tilt down towards me.  The area was scrub brush, juniper, scrub pine,
    all of it about 6-16 ft tall.  The deer was coming head on and I tried
    a chest shot.  Then he turned 90 degrees and headed through the brush. 
    I shot again and a third time.  This time he stopped and kind of laid
    down and rolled and slid through the snow to the bottom of the draw.
    After checking him out I found the first shot missed the chest and hit
    him in the left knee.  This turned him. The second appeared to be a
    clean miss, but the third went through the heart and it was all over. 
    It took til after dark to drag him to the rig.  I'm getting too old for
    this!!!
                     

    Type:	White-tailed (buttonhorn) buck - 101 lbs.
    Where:	Rye, NH
    Date:	8-November
    Gun:	Remington 870 with slug barrel
    Bullet:	Renneke Mag (2 3/4 inch)
    Time:	4:05 pm
    Range:	20 yards
    
    
    I was trying a new area near my house lot as I got a late start due 
    to resolving some house building issues with the builder earlier that
    morning.  Anyway, I set up about noon along a brook (quiet...no
    babbling :^) ) that had several active trails nearby.  The area I set
    up was downwind from the last trail and offered a good natural ground
    blind.  
    
    I was getting pretty bored by 2:30, but I decided to wait it out as I
    was close to home and figgered my chances were as good there as
    anywhere.  Besides, the leaves were like corn flakes.
    
    About 4:00 I heard footsteps, and I knew they were deer or another
    hunter.  The squirrels were driving me crazy all day, and I had their
    noise patters figured out by then.  Sure enough, a doe moves in my line
    of view which was becoming increasingly dimmer due to the waning light. 
    Hearing footsteps behind the deer, I decided to pass on the doe. 
    Again, another deer moves into view which was slightly larger than the
    doe, so I drew a bead on "her" before they walked downwind of my stand.
    
    She went down like a ton of bricks, but I had to finish her off.  I
    broke her upper back, lower neck.  After rolling her over, I notice she
    was a he, so I look on the top of his head and saw a couple of short
    buttons.    
    
    Not a biggie, but given the amount of time and lack of concentration I
    have these days, I'm damned happy.
    
    Mark.

    type: Mulie doe - she was big one front teeth were worn down
    where: where else- Flattops
    date: Oct 20
    time: ~7:00 am
    gun: remington 700bdl 30-06
    bullet: 165 Nossler partition - mean bullet
    distance: ~150 yards, straight down hill
    one shot kill
    
     Boy it's taken me forever to get this in here. I've been trying to catch
    up on previous notes, since bow season.
    
    Try 165gr Nosslers sometime, if you don't want your deer to go anywhere
    when hit. They sure do the trick, in a heart beat.
    
      Second season was a dry one. At least the first three days. I shot mine
    second day of season and Hagerty shot his third day about 500 yards
    from were I shot mine, ~100 yards good lung hit quartering away. He
    finally built his game carrier this year. Tell you what I won't leave home
    without it sure make the drag allot eaiser. We were home Monday night.
    Tuesday I heard they had about 8" of snow.
    
      Did see something pretty interesting the morning I shot mine.
    I was walking down an old road with a creek bottom and Aspens
    on the right and thick spruce trees on the right.
    Not seeing much in the creek bed, I turn and headed thru the
    spruce tree. This was right when it was light enough to kind-of
    see.
      I got 3/4 the way through the spruce and could see more aspens
    on the other side, but just at the tree line I could see this
    dark colored thing moving around. First thought was it was an
    elk. So I started sneaking around to see how close I could get. Got
    with in thirty yards or so and man this black bear took out like a
    light.
      He had been eating on someones doe and was in the process of
    burying it when I came along. Good thing he was full ! He ate
    one whole hind quarter and all of the loins out of this deer.
    Really only the front two quarters were any good.
      I started walking down the tree line and saw two guys sitting
    and walked up and told them that there was a bear up the hill aways
    eating someones doe, and one of them jumps up and says OH, $hit.
    It was his doe. We all got a laugh at this guys expense.
      Nice looking bear though, about 300lbs, real dark redish brown
    color.

           
TYPE:	WHITETAIL
BUCK:	6 POINTS-130 LBS.
DATE:	11-10-91--9:00 AM
TOWN:	RINDGE, N.H.
RIFLE:	30/06 REM.
HOW:	STILL HUNTING--SNUCK WITHIN 25 YDS OF THE BUCK
	BEFORE I SAW HIM--ONE SHOT THRU THE BACK AS HE RAN.

	 TYPE: Whitetail buck
	WHERE: Parry Sound, Ontario, Canada eh!
	 WHEN: Nov 4th (opening day)
	 TIME: 7:45 (1hr 15min into the season)
	  GUN: British Army 303 enfield
         SHOT: 75 yds
    TRAVELLED: 2yds!  (lung shot)

       WEIGHT: 205lbs (field dressed)
	       9 point 

    
    Hope you don't mind a little story here.
    
Arrived late Saturday to pack stuff into the woods to my friends cabin. 
Strong winds, snowed here and there but nothing staying...Well....Woke up
Sunday to 4" of snow and a mid-winter type blizzard...and it snowed ....
and snowed...AND SNOWED!!! Thought we were toast for opening day. As luck
would have it, we woke at 4:30(am) and the snow had stopped falling. Approx
8" by now. (The real thick heavy stuff!) Anyhow, made it to a rock plateau
for first light overlooking a ravine to the North. The wind was getting up
again so I had my back to the ravine (29F without the windchill). Getting 
a little chilly, I clear a spot in the snow, sat down and cracked open the
thermos. I had rested my rifle against a tree and had cup in hand as I 
glanced over my right shoulder into the ravine to see this HUGE buck. Never
even heard it coming. After what seemed like an eternity I finally figured
out how to put down my coffee, pick up the gun and rotate 180 to take the
shot. Didn't seem like I had enough hands! Anyhow, the rest is history, the
big old buck never new what hit him. The drag of about 2/3 mile through
semi-thick forest and 8" of new thick snow was interesting.

The weather locked in again just as we finished skinning it. More snow...
and snow...right through to thursday. As low as 18 degrees Far. and approx
14" of snow!! What a week! The wildest weather I've ever had for deer 
hunting. Nothing moved for the rest of the week. We still braved the 
weather ourselves but evidently they were all locked up tight and we never
found them. However,...one more for the freezer. .....Just might mount
this one -;)
						/ Andrew /

    
    Type of Deer: Whitetail Buck
    # of Points : 3 (Eastern Count 2+1)
    Weight      : 140
    Date        : 11/09/91
    Time        : 7:30 a.m.
    Location    : South Paris, Maine
    Style       : Ground Stand
    Firearm     : Browning A-Bolt Medallion 300 Win Mag.
    Ammo        : Federal Premium 200 gr. 
    Distance    : 50 yards
    
    
    Off to Canada 11/16/91 for another shot. (Hopefully).........
    

    Neal, congrats on a fine job.  Make sure you send in the application
    for the Biggest Bucks of Maine club.  Wear the patch proudly.
    
    More importantly, you guys should be congratulated on finding that
    buck, especially given the evidence that you may have missed.  There's
    a valuable lesson to be learned here, fellow hunters.  Always assume
    the you hit the deer.  Always.
    
    Mark.

 Yeah, they found somebody else's abandoned deer, don't kid yourself. :-)

    
    First Deer ever!
    
    Type - Button Buck
    weight - 100lbs
    when - November 4'th, 6:25 a.m.
    where - Lancaster, Mass
    weapon - High Country Trophy Hunter, using Thunderhead 125 grn
             Broadheads.
    Distance - 25 yards
    
    Deer was taken from a tree stand and shot in the neck! He traveled
    about 70 yards. I'll be honest I was aiming for the heart, but my heart
    was pounding and my knees felt like jelly, it certainly was an exciting
    moment. 
    
    For the whole story check out the Archery notesfile!
    
    
    Bill 

    
    Type of Deer: Whitetail Buck
    # of points : 8 (Eastern count)
    Weight      : 210
    Date        : 11/17/91
    Time        : 7:25 a.m.
    Location    : Fremont, N.H.
    Style       : Ground Stand
    Firearm     : Remington 1100 12ga
    Ammo        : Remington Slug
    Distance    : 23 yards
    
    This buck has an inside spread of 19inches, each tine is 9.25 inches
    except the brow-tines. The base of the antlers measure 4inches and
    the neck is 26 inches round.
    
    I've been hunting this spot for 11 days and this was the 12th deer I
    seen. I had set up on a scrape line and this buck finally came in.
    I had to watch him make a scrape and lick the branch as he was behind
    some hemlocks. Finally he step out and I droped him in his tracks with
    one shot. The deer never knew I was there or what happen. No tracking,
    no worry's, he just went down like a ton of bricks.
    
    I'm very pleased!!!
    
    Rick
    
    

    
    Type	: Mule Deer
    # of points	: 7
    Date	: Nov. 12
    Time	: 7:35 am
    Location	: North Eastern Wyoming ( Black Hills Area)
    Firearm	: Winchester Model 70 30-06
    Distance	: Approx. 250 yds. 
    
    
    	This is my third buck in three years of deer hunting. I`m very
    happy. Biggest buck yet. Not as many deer as the previous 2 years. Only
    2 out of 7 hunters were successful. The other deer was an 8 pt
    whitetail. A very nice buck. 
    
     	Can`t wait for next season!!! 
    
    
    				Good Luck to all, 
    
    				Jeff b. 
    

    Type of Deer: Whitetail Buck
    # of Points : 8
    Wieght      : 157 lbs. Dressed
    Date        : 11/16/91 
    Time        : 3:20 pm
    Location    : Weston, VT
    Style       : Ground Stand
    Firearm     : Heckler & Koch 91A2
    Ammo        : Federal 7.62 x 51 180 gr Soft Point
    Distance    : 45 yards
    
    I was sitting on a stump over looking two fresh scrapes, when the deer
    appeared I could only see his head and antlers. I went for the head
    shoot but the bullet went low and hit the neck severing the spine. The
    deer dropped in it's tracks dead.

    Buck/Doe: Buck
    # of points: 6
    Lbs.: 175
    When: 6:30pm
    Where: Leicester, intersection of Peter Salem,Rt. 56
    Weapon: 1988 Toyota wagon
    Damage: front legs broken, ribs punctured lungs, died within 10 min. 
          : Front damage, driveable but $1200 damage
    Good news: Not me!!!
    Bad news:  I couldn't keep it!!!
    
    
         My friend came in and told me that a deer was killed just up 
    the street from me.  We got there and a guy hit a 6 pointer head-on.
    The deer was  kicked a little then died.  I was the 2nd guy at the
    sceen.  The guy ahead of me was a hunter and the guy that hit the
    deer already told the guy that he could keep it.  You know me, I 
    would of told everyone that I got it in the woods.  I've hunted 
    almost every day since the beginning of the season and I didn't
    even get a shot yet and this happens.  I can't win!!
    
    BJ

    type:Buck
    # of points: 8
    lbs: 162 field dressed
    when: 8:30am
    where: Oldham co, Ky.
    rifle:  Parker Hale 30-06, 165gn reload
    spread: 16" inside
    
    I stand hunted until 8:00, only seeing 3 does.  I started still hunting
    and spotted a doe about 55 yards coming right at me.  I looked behind
    her and saw this buck.  They immediately went into a thicket and I went
    in after him.  Got a shot and that was that.
    
    Wess

    type: whitetail
    sex:  buck
    # points: 4
    when: 11/18/91
    where: Sullivan County NY
    rifle: Browning A-Bolt, .270 Nosler 150 partition
    shot : 50yds
    distant traveled:  2ft, straight down.
    weight: 130 +-
    
    
     Deer collapsed imediately with the shot.  Hit top of the heart.  Was
    hunting a hardwood ridge that had lots of sign. 
    
    Jeff Amberson

    Finally!!! after 24 Grueling days of hunting...
    
    Type:	Whitetail
    Sex:	Buck
    # Points:	7 (shoulda been an 8, the stiff broke off a brow tine) ;^)
    Age:	2 1/2 years
    Weight:	126 lbs
    When:	11/17/91 (2:00 PM)
    Where:	S. Woodstock VT
    Rifle:	Custom .270 Bolt
    Bullet:	Handloaded Sierra 130 gr. SPBT
    Shot:	25 yards (1 shot chest)
    Distance traveled:	10 yards
    Hunting style: 	Still hunting into my evening stand
    
    Particulars: Deer was making a scrape, hit him low in the chest, bullet
    never hit him in a vital organ, heart/lungs/liver unscathed, musta
    been enough hydrostatic shock to kill it... died within seconds...
    Bolted the gun for a second shot, but never needed to shot again. Deer
    dropped dead in front of me.  Go figure...
    
    Was involved in another kill on opening morning, 128 lb spike, deer was
    hit 5 times before it died... once in the back legs, 2nd shot in the
    jaw, ran by me and I hit it in the chest, knocked it down... got back
    up, I hit it in the back, broke his spine, then the original shooter
    finished him off to put it outa his misery.  Toughest deer i've ever
    seen...
    
    3 of the 7 guys in the camp cashed in by monday... "deer a day, thats
    all we ask"... 128 lb spike, 105 lb 6 pointer, 126 lb 7 pointer
    
    Now I can relax, till next monday...
    
    Godd luck to all,  Fra 

    TYPE: Whitetail Buck
    POINTS: 5
    WEIGHT: 123 lbs
    WHERE SHOT: Richmond Vermont
    DATE:   11/21/91 3:00 P.M.
    RIFLE:  30-06 Winchester Model 70
    HUNTING METHOD: Still hunting
    DISTANCE: 100 yards walking
    
    The deer was skylined on a ridge above me and the bullet went in about
    half way up the rib cage and exited the backbone. He dropped in his
    tracks.
    

    TYPE:    Whitetail Buck
    POINTS:  5
    WEIGHT:  146
    WHERE SHOT: Lake Placid, New York
    DATE:    11/23/91 3:30 P.M.
    RIFLE:   30-06 Winchester Model 70
    HUNTING STYLE: Still Hunting
    
    The deer was running away 100 yards or more below me. I shot and he
    went right into a heap. The bullet hit him right in the back of the
    head, wiping out the skull plate between the horns. This made for hard
    dragging because the horns were very loosely attached to his head.
                               

    type:  Whitetail spike
    where: Orange County, New York
    date:  23-NOV-1991
    time:  8 am
    gun:   Winchester 94
    bullet: Remington 210gr HP .44 magnum
    range: 30 yards
    
    Heavy rain the night befor so I knew they would be feeding in the
    morning. Put my tree stand 30 yards downwind from the moss beds.
    Spotted the buck at 8 am fired one shot and hit the bottom
    part of the heart. Buck took 4 hops and died.

deer: 2X3 whitetail, 5X5 whitetail, 120 lbs. Feral Hog
Date: 19-oct-1991 to 27-oct-1991
place: Aransas National Wildlife Refuge, Texas
Bow:  PSE Fireflight Express 68#,  XX75 2117 @31in,  Terminator 3 
blade 125 g.

	Opening  day this year was 19-oct-1991 for 8 day  season, 
bow only. We set up camp on friday afternoon and everyone was too 
keyed up to be still.  All of us decided to do a litle fishing in 
the  Intercoastal  canal just to kill some time and maybe  settle 
down a little.  But that didn't work because about dark my cousin 
caught  a 29" redfish.  Needless to say we all got keyed  up  all 
over again.

	We finally got to bed about 11:00 and got SOME sleep.  Up 
at  04:00 to get to the hunting area before daylight.  I found an 
almost perfect tree to sit in to do my glassing from.  So here  I 
am  sitting  about 10 feet off the ground waiting  for  daylight. 
When  I can finally see I start glassing the tree line and grassy 
area  for moving bucks.  About 08:00 I see a nice 10 or 12  point 
off about 200 yards just coming out of the trees.  He looks to be 
a real nice buck,  so I put my bow on a small limb next to me and 
get the binoculars up so I can find his bedding spot when he lays 
down  in the grass.  I must have been watching him for  about  10 
min.  and he was showing no signs of bedding down. Suddenly there 
is  a  sense of something close by.  I never remember a  consious 
sound or sight just one of those vague feelings that something is 
different.

	So  I  take  the binoculars down to check  out  the  area 
around  me.  I turned my head very slowly around and checked  out 
the immediate area and I don't see anything.  Just as I am  about 
to  go  back  to  watching the big buck in the grass  I  heard  a 
rustling immediately behind me.  Sooo I sat very still to  listen 
and pinpoint the direction and range of the sound. The next thing 
I  know,  DIRECTLY  below me is a nice 4X4 just strolling  along. 
Since he is only 10 feet away I have to be VERY quiet. I am still 
holding  the  binoculars and the bow is still on  it's  limb.  He 
walks  out  about 10 yards and stops and turns broadside  to  the 
right and looks at me.  Anyone who thinks a deer will not look up 
at you in a tree is WRONG.  I had not moved or made a sound, hell 
I was barely breathing trying to be quiet.

	Here is where I will have to make a testimonial comercial 
for one hunting product I was trying for the first time. That was 
U-V KILLER. I bought one of the kits from walmart for about $8.00 
and it worked great.  In all the years I have been deer hunting I 
have  always had the deer spook when they looked directly at  me, 
no  matter how still I was being.  Here I was 10 yards from  this 
buck with him looking right at me. I figured he has me spotted so 
it  will not make any difference if I move to get my  bow.  Funny 
thing was,  although he was looking right at me he wasn't  SEEING 
me.  But he just continued on off to the right into the scrub oak 
before I could draw.  He NEVER spooked or acted like he could see 
anything out of the ordinary.

	I never had anything else to even think about shooting at 
the rest of that day.


	Next  morning  I was back in the same tree.  At 08:30  up 
strolls  a 2X3 from the direction The previous deer had gone  the 
day before.  This one never looked at me.  He was busy feeding on 
the acorns on the scrub oak. I got into position and came to full 
draw waiting for him to clear the brush for a clean shot. As soon 
as  he stepped out I let fly and hit him in the  lower  chest.  I 
wasn't  even confident that I had hit him because he did jump the 
string.  But  by the way he ran off I felt that I must  have  hit 
him so I decided to eat an apple while I waited.  I waited for 20 
min. and climbed down to get my arrow, I could see it sticking in 
the ground.  When I got there,  I found blood  all over the place.  
I started trailing it and  found  him about  60 yards away in the 
scrub oak,  hit directly in the heart. 

That was the best shot I have ever made with my bow on a deer.

	After  field dressing him I dragged him out to the  truck 
about  1/2 mile away and started out to the ranger check  station 
at the main gate.  He weighed in field dressed at 98  pounds.  No 
BIG deer but still my first buck of any size with a bow. All does 
before now.  I decided to stay out for a while and get some lunch 
so  I wouldn't disturb anyone by driving the 17 miles back to  my 
hunting  area.  When I went back to hunt the afternoon I went  to 
where  my cousin said he had seen some BIG bucks the day  before, 
about  3  miles  further back then I was.  This time  I  took  my 
rattling  horns with me,  because while I was having lunch I  had 
talked  to the wildlife biologist at the refuge headquarters.  He 
told  me  that the deer in this  refuge,  for  some  undiscovered 
reason,  go into rut in early october.  This is 2 months ahead of 
any other deer populations in the whole state.

	Anyway I walk in about 1 mile and find me a likely  look-
ing  tree.  It had several trails under and around it that looked 
good and well traveled. About 30 min. before dusk I see two bucks 
moving in the heavy grass maybe 150 yards away. They appear to be 
moving parallel to my tree so I will not get a shot. I rattle the 
horns  just a little.  This causes the buck in front to stop  and 
look in my direction. One more little rattle and he starts coming 
my direction. He appears to be a fair buck maybe 5X5 but probably 
4X4.  But coming right behind him was the other buck and I  could 
tell  he  had more antlers and body then the front one  had.  But 
they both stopped about 75-80 yards away.  I rattle one more time 
and here they come again.  I put the horns down and get my bow. I 
won't  be able to rattle again with them this close  anyway.  The 
4X4 turns at about 30 yards and starts off down the tree line  to 
my left.  The 5X5 stops and watches the first buck. This puts him 
at an estimated range of 30 yards and broadside to me. I draw and 
fire but he jumps the string and the arrow hits him high. He goes 
sideways  about 10 feet and falls.  I wait the prescribed 20 min. 
that  I always wait and went out to him.  My arrow hit the  spine 
and shattered it.  it then deflected into the top of his  farside 
lung.  Lucky shot. If he had moved a split second faster or I had 
aimed  an  inch higher on his chest,  it would have been a  clean 
miss. 

	Gutting  him and dragging him the mile back to the  truck 
wore me out. It was getting dark so I just sat in the truck for a 
little  while  and tried to calm down from the adrenlin rush  and 
exertion of the drag.  In a few minutes my cousin, Mark, came out 
dragging  his deer.  He had gotten a 6X7 and boy was he wound  up 
and happy.  We loaded his into the truck with mine and headed out 
for the main gate.  My 5X5 weighed 135 lbs field dressed, But the 
monster that Mark had was unbelievable for this brush country. He 
had  a perfect rack 6 points on the deer's right and 7 points  on 
the left.  When we weighed him in the ranger called the biologist 
out  to  verify  this deer because he weighed  168  pounds  field 
dressed.  We  just  don't get deer that size in this  arid  brush 
country.

	Well  here it was the third day of the season and  I  was 
tagged  out.  So  I decided to concentrate on feral hogs for  the 
next  couple  of days.  I had taken a full week off to  hunt  and 
hated to leave early. Anyway back in the tree where I got the 5X5 
the next morning and don't see anything.  No deer or  hogs.  That 
afternoon  I  climb a tree bordering a water hole I had found  on 
the walk in that had plenty of hog signs around it.  I got a shot 
at  a young Boar at about 4 PM.  He was apparently coming  in  to 
cool  off.  I could not believe how easy he went down.  One arrow 
through the chest and he went down on the spot and never moved.

	This turned out to be the most productive bow hunt I have 
ever had.  I say most PRODUCTIVE not BEST,  because in some of my 
fondest memories of hunts,  I never even took a shot. I know some 
of you that have been bow hunting for a while will know what I am 
talking about.

Anyway.... GOOD LUCK TO ALL AND HAVE FUN!!!!!!!!!!
Harvey

    
     Type :     	Whitetail Buck
     # of Points:	9
     Weight:		180 lbs field dressed no heart/liver
     Place:		Jackman Maine
     Date:		11/21 3:30 P.M
     Rifle:		Remington Mod 7400 30.06
     Ammunition:	Remington 180 gr Pointed soft point
     Style:		Sitting on a Stand
     Shot:		20 paces
    
    I first saw this deer on Monday and managed to catch a glimpse of him
    on every day. We lost our snow by Tuesday afternoon so I decided on
    Thursday to wait him out near some of his scrapes. He came out of the
    swamp Thursday about 3:00 and I had him to the truck by 5:30!
    
    
                

    
     Type :     	Whitetail Buck
     # of Points:	7
     Weight:		130 lbs field dressed
     Place:		Florence, N.Y.
     Date:		11/28 3:30 P.M
     Gun:		Remington 12 Ga. Model 870
     Ammunition:	Remington Sluggers, 2 3/4"
     Method:		Stillhunting to Stand
     Distance:		30 Yards
    
    
  Decided to join the family in a short hunt after Thanksgiving dinner.
  Was in the woods 10 minutes, on the way to take a stand on the end of 
  a narrow hardwood ridge on state land. The wind was in my face as I walked.
  I looked up to see the head of a deer that just got up from his bed. He 
  was over a small rise, and his neck and body were not visible at all. I 
  normally wouldn't take a head shot because the target's so small, but I 
  knew he was suspicious of my presence  and I wouldn't get another chance. 
  I couldn't get the shotgun up without him seeing the movement, so I waited
  for him to look away, and then I dropped down out of sight. Then I lifted the
  gun and sighted ahead of me, and slowly stood up, praying he'd still be there.
  He was, and I shot him in the forehead. - Never knew what hit him.

  After the shot, a fat doe walked away from him, and as I dressed him out, I
  heard more shots, and 4 does walked right past me. 

  This deer is absolutely delicious ! Best I've tasted yet.

                

    
    Type of Deer : Whitetail Buck
    # of Points  : 2 Buttons  (Antlerless tag)
    Weight       : 85 lbs.  (Est.)
    Date         : 12/02/91
    Time         : 2:10 p.m.
    Location     : Haverhill, Mass.
    Style        : Sittin on my duff (20 yards from Tree Stand)
    Firearm      : Remington 1100 (Trap) w/Slug Barrel 12 ga.
    Ammo         : Remington 12 ga. Hollow Point Slug
    Distance     : 80 - 90 yards
    
    
                  I was in my tree before shooting time and stayed there
    until about 9:30. We hunt private land and hadn't heard a shot from the
    surrounding area. I decided to still hunt on the other side of the
    ridge and either get a shot or push any deer over the hill to my
    partners. About 500 yards into the stalk I jump a doe that ran up the
    ridge and stopped about 70 yards away. I put the bead on her shoulder
    and let fire. She drop then started to get up. I fired two more times
    but never touched her in all the excitement. While getting though all
    the tangled brush to get to her I saw another deer about 35 yards
    walking away from me which turned out to be the same deer. I brought
    the gun up but put it back down figuring I already had one down. To my
    surprise the deer wasn't there. I found a lot of white hair and a
    little bit of tissue with 3 baseball sized spots of blood. I tracked
    the deer and the blood trail got very spoty immedeiately. Within 30
    yards the last drop was the size of a pin head. Four of us looked for
    that deer and sign in every direction for 3 1/2 hours with no luck of
    the deer or signs of additional blood. I went back to where I had
    hidden my backpack 20 yards behind my tree stand. I sat down, took my
    jacket off to dry out all the sweat and try to cool down before the
    evening hunt. I wasn't there 15 minutes when I heard those squirrels
    making noise in the leaves getting closer. I poked my head out from
    behind the tree and three deer where feeding and spooked. One ran down
    from me about 60 yards and the other two straight away about 45 yards
    in thick brush. I watched these deer for 15 minutes standing 40 yards
    behind my uncle who still wasn't seen them. Finally one broke a branch
    and he got sight of them. In all this time the third deer rejoined them
    somehow out of sight from me. He fired and dropped the doe sending one
    deer straight away from the both of us and the other on a left hand
    angle from but stopping between two trees looking away from me into the
    swamp on a straight line from me. After not getting the deer in the
    A.M. I decided to aim high. I put the bead on the back of the deers
    head and fired. Shooting down hill and at that distance the slug hit it
    right at the base of the tail dropping the deer with a broken back. I'm
    now working on my "Bonus" tag (#2) but they need to have horns.
    
    
                                                            Guy
       
    the 

    
    
    Type of deer : Whitetail Doe (yearling)
    Weight       : 55-60 Lbs.
    Date         : 11/29/91
    Time         : 06:55 a.m.
    Location     : Greensburg, La. (1 hr. north of New Orleans)
    Rifle        : Marlin 30/30 336c
    Ammo         : 170 gr.
    
    
    Hey Guys,
    
    Not anything to write home about, but it was quite a thrill for me,
    it was my first deer. This is only my second season hunting deer
    seriously, and so the story goes....... On Oct. 1, opening day of 
    bow season, I was doing some pre-gun season scouting while bow-
    hunting. I came across a well used trail and started walking it
    and walked right up on two does(I almost stepped on them!!!). So 
    I set my climbing stand up on the trail and hunted it all bow season
    only to get a couple of shots and miss due to inexperience of distance
    judgement( I said I was a rookie ), but they were using the trail 
    very consistantly and I knew they would pass again when gun season
    opened. It did and they did! They showed themselves about 60-70 yards
    away and I picked up the rifle on them 3 times failing to get one in
    the scope (nervous I guess), then they disappeared.BUMMER! About
    30 seconds later thy reappeared about 40 yards away a little to my
    left. This time no problem getting one in the scope. Crosshairs on the 
    shoulder and BOOM! she dropped in her tracks. Like I said , small
    and not a trophy, but I'll remember it like one, and it will certainly
    some good eating! Now I'll be hunting racks only for the remainder of
    the season. Wish me luck and good luck to all in pursuit of the Great
    Elusive North American Whitetail!!!!!
    
         _Bob
    	

            Bob, 
        In my mind any deer taken is a trophy!  Congrats on your
    first!  Good luck the rest of the season..........
    
                Bob_who_has_harvested_his_share_of_skippers

    Guy, with all due respect, was 3.5 hours really sufficient enough
    before giving up on the first deer?  I'm not trying to make any
    judgements, but in the past we've looked for as much as 2 days on a
    wounded deer before giving up.
    
    Serious question...not trying to stir the pot.
    
    Mark.

    
    re.227
    
              The area that the deer was shot is about 3 acres wide and 50
    acres long. It has a main road on one side and a field on the other.
    After many times going back from the first spot of blood, and looking
    under every slash pile, we (4) even tried zig-zagging all the way up 
    and back the entire piece of land and the field. No more blood was
    found only mulitudes of tracks. I went back to examine the "Hit" area
    and for hair. All hair was White and small pieces of flesh (outside
    skin) no bone fragments or any signs of internal parts. The blood was 
    a bright red, no darkeness or foam in any of the trail it left. All of
    the above signs led us to believe it was an under side shot (graze).
    
    
                                                     Guy
    

    
    So far here's what our fellow noters have bagged to date by hunting
    methods.
    
    White-tail                  Mule-Deer            Moose            Boar
    DOE      BUCKS           DOE        BUCKS          3                1   
     6         4 Button       1           1   4x3
               2 spike                    1    7
               1 3pt                      1    4
               1 4pt        ----------------------
               3 5pt          1 doe       3 buck= 4 Muleys
               2 6pt
               2 7pt
               4 8pt
               2 9pt
               1 10pt
    -------------------------------
    6doe      22buck = 28 whitetail
    
             
    
    Total deer(includes Mulely) =  32
    Moose                           3
    Boar                            1
    
    
    

You missed at least one cow Elk (Gordon, you out there?).

Jerry

    Well, I finally got my first buck.  It was the first day of a nine day
    hunting trip that myself and two friends had been planning since early
    June. At 7:00 a.m.  we woke up and got ready to get out to our stands. 
    Yes, I know this is late, but the alarm that was set for 5:00 a.m.
    did'nt go off.  We started on our hike at about 7:45 a.m.. When we
    finally got to the area that we had been scouting since June it was
    about 9:00 a.m. We spread out roughly about 800 yrds. apart. I sat
    quietly like a good little hunter, and there it was at 9:30 a.m. the
    doe that could'nt be shot. The doe was about 100 yrds. away on a small
    knoll.  So after watching the doe dissapear quitely in the direction of
    my friend Greyson, I sat and continued to play the waiting game. Ten
    minutes later I spotted it 9:40 a.m. Mr. Buck is heading right for me.
    He was definitely following the doe, but for some reason he was headed
    toward my stand, and not in the direction the doe exited too.  I was
    obviously not upset by this.  He came to within 35 yrds. of my stand
    and just froze looking right in the direction to where i was.  I was
    crouched down in back of a birch tree that was about 2 1/2 feet in
    diameter.  35 yrds. away was a six point buck steering at this tree in
    front of me.  I slowly moved my head to the right of the tree and
    looked this deer straight in the eye. This is no lie this deer was not
    moving at all, just sitting there looking at me.  Yes, I was nervous as
    hell, but by this time i had calmed my nerves and was ready.  I slowly
    raised my 30-06 to my shoulder put the cross hairs on his neck and
    gently squeezed off a round.  After I shot i looked and the deer, fell
    right in the spot he was standing.  After inspecting the deer I saw
    that the bullet entered at the front of the neck exactly where i placed
    the cross hairs and exited right out the base of the neck in the back.
    Needless to say i was very excited.  I then gave a call to my friend
    Greyson, after about 10 minutes he found me.  Again, I was exhilerated!
    After dressing the deer it took the two of us about 3 hrs. to drag the
    deer to the camp.  That night the main course was Venison, Flank stakes
    from the rear.  This was the best piece of meat I have ever tasted. 
    The deer was probably about 2-3 yrs. old.  
    
    Well, I hope everyone enjoyed this.  Congratulations to everyone else
    who bagged one this year.
    
    Oh yeah, The day I shot the deer was Nov. 23, my mothers B-day.
    
    						Good hunting to all
    
    						Shawn

    Congrats on your first buck.  I am still waiting on mine.  It must
    be a special moment to bag your first buck.  So the buck lost the
    staredown, huh?  Good shootin and good luck next year as well.
    
    bob
    

    
    What state were you hunting?
    

    
    
     TYPE: Whitetail Buck 8 point
    WHERE: Bradford VT
     WHEN: Nov 18th
     TIME: 2:00 pm
      GUN: Winchester 30/30
     SHOT: 10 yards
     TRAV: About 50 yards
    
    WEIGHT: 187 dressed
    
    After sitting patiently for 1 hour after lunch on the second day
    of rifle season in Vermont, where I was overlooking a ridge, suddenly
    3 doe approached within 10 yards of my stand. The Mother Doe never
    allerted, the other deer  proceeded to eat and walk through my area.
    About 10 minutes goes by and I was beginning to get upset because out
    of the three Deer that came by not one was a Buck. Well I forgot to 
    mention I was posted in very thick cover and all of a sudden I hear
    a very slight crackle and notice the biggest rack I ever saw directly
    behind me.
    
    The cover was very thick and he began to eat off the ground, I taught
    he was gone, but he then reappeared. Now my hearth was pounding! I turn
    to look at this awesome animal, but with him being 10 yards infront of
    me, I began to become very nervous and shakey. I then began to turn
    alittle bit more to get the right shot off. And all of a sudden I tried
    to raise my 30 30 winchester for a shot. It felt like a 100 lb bag of
    sand. I worked hard at it and put the scope sights on his shoulder and
    let the trigger go. It was incredible at this point, when he realized
    he was hit he then took his final leep for about 16 feet in the air
    and when he landed he landed on his shoulder. He then began to drop
    but made it about another 50 yards and I let him have it again because
    he was struggling uphill to get way. One more shot finished him off
    and that all folks. Second 8 pointer in two years gotta love it!
    
                           Marco the Italain white tail slayer!!!
    
                           
    
    
      
    

    RE: .233
    
    New Hampshire
    
    Shawn

TYPE:  Whitetail Doe
WHERE: Hunterdon county, NJ
WHEN:  Jan 18th
TIME:  1:00 pm
GUN:   Browning 12 gauge shotgun, using slugs
SHOT:  Running @60 yards
TRAV:  About 75 yards


Well, I was at my parents visiting over the weekend and decided to take
advantage of one of NJ's late season special permit hunts.  NJ has a week
long firearm season (buck only) in December and (I think) 5 days for a firearm
(doe) season.  2 of the days are in Dec and the other 3 are in Jan.  They
are also holding a winter bow season as well right now.

Sat morning I saw nothing.  At 1:00 my father put on a drive to me and pushed
9 does by at 60 yards.  I picked out the largest and took a shot in an opening
that they crossed through.  The deer kept running with the rest but I couldn't
get another shot off because of the brush.  I felt the first shot was good,
but
we only found 3 spots of blood.  My dad went on ahead of me while I tracked
the
deer and he saw it lying dead about 75 yards away.  My shot entered a little
far back than I anticipated.  It hit just in front of the hind quarters.  I'm
not sure what vitals I hit but I'm sure the deer had a quick death.

On a side note, I'm not too crazy about shooting does this late in the season.
It turns out I killed 3 deer with one shot (the doe had twins inside).  The
deer were about 3 1/2 inches long, and were very developed (I could even tell
what sex they were - bucks).  The wildlife manager said most does are bred by
December and carry twins.  They take this data into account when they put
limits
on the number of does to be taken.

/marc

    
    
        Marc,
    
         Did you notice a strong odor to the deer, I got a doe through the
    game commission from crop damage one year in january, and I noticed a
    funny smell while cutting up the meat, and when I cooked a piece of it
    my mom threatened to kick me out of the house because of the smell.
       I had the meat checked and it was fine but the smell came from the 
    the fact that the doe was carrying young., something about the hormone
    imbalance.
    
                                        Lee
    

re .237
> Did you notice a strong odor to the deer

No, I didn't notice anything like that.  I've never heard of anything like it
either, but I guess that your explanation would make sense.  I wonder if at
some point during the pregnancy all does would have that same smelling meat, and
at what point that occurs.

/marc
 

    
    Marc,
    
    You may have killed three deer but the reason for the late season
    hunt is to reduce the herd not just to provide hunters an opportunity
    to kill another deer.
    

I realize that, and agree with the extended hunting seasons for just that 
reason.  And I'm also aware that if I shoot a doe in the late Nov early Dec
timeframe (when a lot of states hold their doe only hunts) that she's probably
pregnant already.  I just don't like seeing 4 inch baby deer inside the one
that I shot.  But don't think that'll make me turn down the oportunity to go
out again tomorrow.

/marc

    re .-1
    
      I know how you feel!  I got a doe about 5 years ago who's udders
    (is that what you call 'em :-) were absolutely full.
    
      It kinda makes you wonder "did I take a youngin's food source away"?
    I figured that in early November they're weaned already, so I didn't
    feel so bad :-)
    
      On a side note, an episode of Wild America showed what the pronghorn
    antelope does in reference to pregnant does. The doe will conceive 7
    to 8 fetuses, but typically they'll only give birth to 1 or 2. What
    happens to the others? They're "aborted" by the female. Marty Stouffer
    in fact found an aborted fetus on the praire. It's really kinda sad to
    see this perfectly shaped hairless antelope that you can fit in the
    palm of your hand...  Oh well, Mother Nature....
    
      Hope you get another one!  (you lucky sonofagun!!! :-)
    
    Joe

    re 270.234
    
    Gee Bill, can you tell me the story again ? Your hunting prowess,
    success and story telling abilities make we want to hear EVERY detail
    all over again. Come on Bill, please re-tell the story - just one more time,
    please ?
    
     ;>)
    
    Don

    
    
    re -.1
    
    
    Don,
    
        See what happens when your a nice guy! The deer was not mine,
    it was shot by Marco Zompetti. You would know if it was mine, I would
    have put in alot more detail!
    
    Next time- Marco uses his own account to enter his sucess stories!
    
    Even better yet- next time it will be my DEER!
    
    Later-
    
    the real  "Wildman"

    Gentleman!!!
    
    It's that time of year again!!!   1992 success stats and stories!!!
    
    I got a feeling that a guy from Colorado will be the first to enter
    a reply this year!! ;^)
    
    Good luck to all!!!
    
    Fra

    TYPE: mule deer, 2pt buck (in sweet velvet)
    WHERE: near Buena Vista Colorado
    WHEN: Sep. 1st
    TIME: 10:45
    GUN: Jennings Forked Lightning compound bow (59 lb draw)
    SHOT: 10 yards away
    TRAV: 84 yards (although he was only 40 yards away as the crow flies)
    
    What an experience...1st a coyote chases a doe right by me (I thought
    that I was going to get run over since they ran by me at a distance of
    only 6 feet).  Then I see a deer...no...no...its a buck!!!  And and
    another deerr....BUCK...TWO BUCKS!!!!  THEY're grazing right towards
    me...THEY are on the trail that I'm on....ohhhh I'm finally going to
    get an animal and its going to be a buck to boot!  Shake shake thump
    thump thump... bucks behind clump of pine trees...nose...ears...kill
    zone...zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzthwak!  bound bound bound  got him ...I got
    him....shake shake shake...goes on for 1/2 hour.  Wow, 10 yard shot. 
    
    Hit both lungs and he dropped in 84 yards (not that I paced it off :-)
    He was only 40 yards from me the way the crow flies when I found him 
    (or rather my hunting buddy found him).  My first gutting experience
    was ok which surprized even me.  The skinning even went ok and I even
    (with experienced help) butchered it myself.  Taking the antlers was
    the only 'gross' part...YEEEEHAAA I DID IT.  WHAT A RUSH. 
    
    Even the kids were excited at seeing him hanging in the garage (I
    thought that a skinned animal would bother them).  The buck was a
    medium to small muley, two point.  I finally get to see and feel antler
    velvet up close.  Wow, do I really have to come back to work :-)  My
    first - plus used a bow to do it - and it was a BUCK too!  Just thinking
    about it makes my feel it all over again.
    
    Well, from Colorado to the rest of you - good luck in '92'.
    
    Dave
    

    re.244, he's no psychic, just a psycho with archery notes!
    
    bob
    

    re.245 But, Dave, did you _enjoy_ yourself? 
    
    ;-) ;-)
    
    Seriously, congratulations. Now get after them elk!

    RE.247
    
    You're beginning to sound like my wife.  My first deer hanging in the 
    garage and she has the nerve to tell me, "thats great Dave and I'm
    excited for you ...  But, I like ELK meat better than venison".  She
    was ribbing me and at the same time serious - her father has harvest a
    lot of animals so shes spoiled.
    
    Although she has offered to go elk hunting with me during rifle
    season!!!
    
    I think I'll take her Elk hunting so she can help me carry it out. 
    Sounds fair to me.
    
    Dave

    this isn't a deer but it was my wife's first successful hunt.
    
    type: Black Bear
    wieght: 139 lbs.
    where: Maine
    when:  9/4 
    time: 7:00 pm
    gun: MOdel 94 Trapper - 44 magnun (hand loads)
    distance shot: 12 yards
    traveled: 30 yards.
    
    comments: This is my wifes first year hunting and was the third time
    		she has been out. This was the second bear she saw. One 
    came in weds. night after dark while she was waiting for me to come
    back and pick her up. I spooked it out when I came in to get her. 
    She shot her bear once and took out both lungs and half the heart.  
    I think she's hooked now. She is going to have it mounted, it has a
    perfect white V in the center of it's chest. 
    
    					gary c 
    

    type: Cow Elk
    wieght: ~550 lbs
    where: Colorado, near Saguache
    when:  9/4 
    time: 7:00 pm
    bow: Golden Eagle Pro Tubo, 78 lbs
    distance shot: 40 yards
    traveled: 65 yards.

	There were three cows grazing along the edge of a clear cut.  A 
few cow calls and they wandered our way.  I shot the lead cow as she quartered
away at 40 yards.  She then ran out into the fresh clear cut and died in the 
middle of of one heck of a tangled mess of limbs and stumps.
	She had not had a calf this year so she was in great shape.

	I still have not seen or heard a bull this year.  This is consistant with many 
other hunter we spoke to.


	Jim Pedersen (With a big grin)

    type: Bull Moose
    wieght: ~600 lbs
    where: Brown's Arm, Newfoundland, Canada ( Area 22 )
    when:  9/15 
    time: 7:15 a.m.
    Rifle: Remington Mod700 7mm Rem. Mag
    Bullet: 175 grain Nosler Partition
    distance shot: 75 yards
    traveled: 0 yards.

	As a casual noter here in Hunting, I can't resist entering this...:-)

 This hunt had been in the planning stages for over a year. I took along my 
father, who is 70 years old, and two close friends, one 72 years old and the
other, 61 years - and recovering from a near fatal auto accident that left him
partially paralyzed and physically challenged.
 I took great pains to point this out to the outfitter in advance, and was
assured that there would be no problems for these men.  As it turned out, that 
was an understatement, since they all took moose, mine being the SMALLEST!
 DAD's = 9 pts, 1000 lbs
 Pete's = 14 points, 850 lbs
 Richard's = 14 points, 900 lbs

 All in all, a totally rewarding experience.  I'll gladly refer people to this
outfitter!!!

 John Oakman

 It sounds like you guys are going to be sick of moose meat for a LONG time. :-)

 Congrats!

    I shot my moose 2 years ago this week.  And I'm STILL eating
    bullwinkle!  (Even had the freezer die once and lost some of it.)
    
    Pete
    

    Type: Bull Elk  6X6
    Weigth: Allot
    Where: Colorado, Flattops Wilderness
    When: Sept 13th
    Gun: 54 cal. TC Black powder
    time: ~7:00 am
    Distance: 80 yard shot
    Traveled: No where
    
    Boy, I've been out of this conference along time. Replies dated back
    to June 9th... 
    
     I tried to find my old 1990 muzzle loading hunt but couldn't.  This
    year went off much better than that year.
    
    We packed into our hunting spot on the 12th of September. Got camp
    setup at around 4-5:00 pm. A strong front started to pass through
    so we made a early night of it and were in the sack before it was
    really even dark.
    
    About 3:00am Sunday morning I was awakened by the bugling of at least
    2 bulls, if not more. Sounded like they were all over. But it was
    still to early to get up and do anything about it. So I pretty much
    just laid there listening until about 5:00.
    Then I got up and woke the guy I was hunting with, John, and we had a
    cup off coffee while listening to bulls bugling off in the distance.
     I guess about 15 minutes to 6:00 we were backed with enough gear
    to last the whole day and started walking back up the trail in the
    direction of the last bugle. 
     About a half mile up the trail I started bugling to see if I could get
    a response. Nothing. Few more yards a bugle, still nothing. Then
    we broke into a meadow that was about 75 yards across, 100 yards
    to the right and 150 yards to the left. I bugled again. We went
    about 3/4 of the way accross the meadow and I bugled again and we
    had turned to watch to were we had come from and the meadow that
    was off to our right. 
    
    I was watching the trail and off the other direction when I heard
    John mumble something to the effect of Oh shit. As I turned my head
    back around, this bull came up through the timber at the end of the
    meadow. His head was up and he had turned and was walking right up
    the middle of the meadow next to the only two tree. Before, we could
    get ready he stopped and was looking pretty much right at us. We had
    "nothing" to hide behind. Seemed like forever he watched us. He would,
    at times, look to the side and then quickly turn his head back toward
    us, trying to catch us moving. I was trying to raise my gun when he'd
    turn but never got it up past my chest.  That was just before there
    was real good shooting light. God, that was Great.  He raised his
    head and ran off to our left to the corner of the meadow.
     I cow called and watched him and he stopped down in the corner of
    the meadow. We both crouched down and stripped all our gear off
    and I was going to sneak up to a little ridge and hoped to get a shot,
    but he wasn't there when I got to the top.
    
     We put all our gear back on and talked about how great that was. Then
    headed up into the trees where he had headed. I let out another bugle
    and 10-20 yards into the trees  we waited awhile and then heard
    some timber crack off to the right. John stayed there and I started
    to work my way up futher. Another 20 yards and I did a few cow calls.
    This time all he did was the chuckle like they do at the end
    of a bugle, but he was close just to my right. After a few more 
    minutes up just ahead of me all I could see were his antlers going down
    and back up. He was no more that 10 yards away. Everthing was behind
    limbs except his antlers. I pulled the gun up and held it there
    waiting for him to take antoher step.
     Then disappointment again. He let out a warning grunt and headed out.
    I knew that sound from other elk encounters and thought for sure
    that was the end our chances for this bull. I left out another
    quick cow call. Nothing but quite. Just ahead of me there was two
    trees with a trail between then, this lead to an opening with dead
    fall and a step hill about thirty yards up.  Cow calling I worked
    my way up to these two trees and went between them. Just as I started
    to clear the first tree... There he was standing at the top of the step
    hill on the edge broad side, looking right at me. Another greate view.
    Shocked I ducked back behind the tree cocking the gun at the same time
    and then leaned back into the opening took aim and ... click. The cap
    didn't even go off. Still standing there aiming I re-cocked the gun
    and aimed dead center and BOOM !! Couldn't see nothing, had to wait
    for the smoke to clear, then here come this bull falling right
    down the hill over dead fall.  The shot hit him right behind the
    front left leg a few inches above center and from the angle of the
    hill, went straight up and broke his back. I took another shot
    to finish him, so it would be quick.
     It took 4 hours to cap, quarter, and load him on the horse. He'll
    be mounted and I get him back in March.
    

    WOW!  What a great story.  Congratulations!
    
    Mark,
    

    Second on the WOW. Way to go.

	Does this file ever liven up in the fall :-). Absolutely "way to go"!
	Congratulations, have you paid your respects to Diana or whoever
	was watching over you? :-)

							- Mike

    
    Amazing!!! And with a smokepole to boot...way to go!!!
    
    Kevin

 Best story in a long while! Great going.

 The Doctah

    Type: Cow Elk  
    Weigth: 500-600
    Where: Colorado, Area 551
    When: Sept 25
    Bow: 80lbs
    time: Evening - just before dark
    Distance: 50 yard shot
    Traveled: 250-300 Yards
    Who:  My Hunting Partner, Dave

	Cow calling bings in cows quicker that bulls, at least for us this year.  

	More good eating this winter.
	Jim

    
    re. 254 Congrats and excellent story.
    
    re. 260 Congrats
    
    
              It's nice to see somewhat primative weapons make their mark.
    
                                                           Guy
    

    re .254 and .260, Congratulations! The only thing that bums me out is I
    just wish it was me. Hopefully this year I will get to add a happy
    reply to this note like you guys have. Actually I hope every
    contributor gets to put in a happy reply this year. Good luck to all.
    			Bret_a_happily_married_man,_she's_happy_I'm_married

    Hell of alot of Elk and Moose meat out there. Maybe I should go into
    the freezer business......
    
    Congrat's to the three of you.
    
    	Red

    Congrats to .254 and .260.  Good to see this file getting entries.
    
    bob "Still trying"
    

    Ditto Guys!!! excellent...  saturday is taking longer to get here now
    that i'm reading all these success stories...  Good luck to all!!!
    
    whatcha doing with the Hydes??? if they're in good shape I'll 
    take em off your hands... ;^)  looking to make another elk rug or 2...
    Gordon, you listening out there?!?!? ;^)
    
    Fra
    

    
    
    TYPE OF DEER   : Whitetail doe 
    WEIGHT         : approx. 80 lbs.
    DATE/TIME      : Oct. 3, 1992, 6:50 am 
    TOWN/STATE     : Fairfax, VT 
    METHOD         : Treestand 
    WEAPON	   : Bear Alaskan 65 lbs, 2217 XX75's, Wasp 3 blade (130 gr.)
    SHOT DISTANCE  : 25 yards
    SHOT PLACEMENT : Liver/Paunch (1 shot) 100 yd tracking job


	My first bow kill.  Deer came in silently (as they most always do)
	and just appeared on a trail feeding on apples.  Watched the deer
	for about 10 minutes, it was all by itself.  Deer moved into an opening
	that gave me the best shot, slightly quartering toward me.  I released
	the arrow and knew immediately I had scored a hit.  Waited 1/2 hour
	in the treestand watching and listening.  Found arrow buried in a
	birch log, bent with stomach/intestine matter on shaft (and white hair),
	along with dark red blood on fletches.  Knew I hit the stomach, thought
	I hit the liver.  Couldn't find any blood in a small sweep of the hit
	area so...didn't want to spook the deer out, I left and came back 
	3 hours later.  Found the blood trail, didn't leave blood for 20 yds.,
	then found where it had bed down (about 50 yds. from treestand)...but 
	the blood trail disappeared.  Found a noticeable trail - overturned 
	leafs etc., and found some hair/blood on the bottom of some saplings.  
	I figured the deer was dragging itself away or another hunter found it
	...after following this for about 60 yds there she lay.  The damn 
	coyotes had dragged her off!!! And only after 3 hours.  They punched a 
	hole through her ribs and chewed 1/2 an ear off.  I tagged the deer
	and called a warden who came by to report the deer and make sure it
	was okay for consumption.  As it turns out I only lost about 5-6 lbs.
	of meat (but on a small deer that's about 20%).  I ended up cutting it
	myself and yielded about 30 lbs. of meat.  Loins absolutely melted in
	my mouth...

	It's not a big one, but I've waited a long time for my first bow kill
	and I feel good about it.  I've already gotten comments about leaving
	it in the woods, because it was 1. small and 2. chewed on.  But I don't
	feel I can be a hypocrite, last year a guy who I respect (use to anyway)
	shot a small deer and left it for the dogs..."because my 20th deer 
	with a bow isn't going to be a fawn...blah blah blah."  Well I can't 
	in good conscience do what he did, and still believe he is unethical.

	As it turns out arrow entered about the 3rd rib in from the stomach,
	passed through the liver and exited the stomach.  What a job those
	broadheads do on tissue...I'm sure it died in minutes - but it was
	tough to tell looking at the sign I had in the impact area.

	Bought my second tag yesterday...

    
    
          Congrats on your first kill with a bow! Too bad about the yotes
    though. 
    
    
    
    Gus

    TYPE:	Whitetail (Button buck)
    WEIGHT:    	70#, not big... but very tasty
    WHERE:      S. Woodstock VT
    WHEN:       5:30 pm Oct 3rd (opening day)
    WEAPON:     "new & improved" Golden Eagle Falcon cam 75# 
    BROADHEAD:	Thunderhead 125's
    ARROWS:	Easton XX75 2413
    DISTANCE:   25-30 yards
    WHERE HIT:	Liver/Lung/Heart rear quartering shot
    DISTANCE TRAVELLED:	20 yards run, plus a 50 yd downhill slide in wet
    			grass.
    
    
    MISC:	Setup in a treestand overlooking a meadow, where we had
    		seen several deer the previous week, including a couple 
    of nice bucks.  On the morning stand I watched the same 2 bucks 
    sparing and grazing for over 1 hour between 10:30 and noon.
    Unfortunately they were some 300 yards away. Left for a sandwich, and
    was back at 1:30, where I was treated to 2 more deer grazing in the
    same meadow for the entire afternoon.  Approx 5:00 4 deer enter my
    meadow about 100 yards to my left. I let them walk past me and drew on
    the lead doe, however somewhere under the branches the lead doe was
    passed by the buck, and when it reached the opening I released. Perfect
    hit, arrow entered back in the ribs and angled forward taking out the
    liver, one lung and the heart, before exiting out the front shoulder.
    needless to say it was a quick kill.  Was psyched, even though it
    turned out to be the wrong deer.  picked up my 2nd archery tag and
    hunted the next day, in the other meadow (setup a 2nd stand) hopeing to
    give that stand a break and take advantage of the early grazers in the
    other meadow... nut'n came in to me, but I watched intently as 4 deer 
    grazed under my first stand, including the 2 bucks. Next week I know 
    where i'll be.
    

    
    	Congrats are in order for you both!!  
    
    	- Rob

	Kevin and Fra,

	Congrads, great job.  I've got 12 more days to go.

    Rob, Fra,
    
    	Congrat's.
    
    	Red

    
    	I think you mean Kevin, don't you Red, he's the lucky hunter, not I
    

    
    Congrats Kevin & Fra !!!!!!!
    
    
                               Guy
    

    thanks guys!
    
    Fra

    Re: Kevin
    
    	Yep, your right Rob. Contrats Kevin.
    
    	Long busy day......
    
    	Red

    
    What Fra said...thanks.
    
    Kevin

    
    
    TYPE OF DEER   : Whitetail doe 
    WEIGHT         : Unknown
    DATE/TIME      : Oct. 3, 1992, 6:30 PM 
    TOWN/STATE     : Colchester, VT 
    METHOD         : Groundstand   between 2 fields.
    WEAPON	   : Bear Whittail II 65 lbs, 2315 XX75's, Wasp 3 blade 
    SHOT DISTANCE  : 35-40 yards
    SHOT PLACEMENT : Front Shoulder (1 shot) 


	Its 3 days later and I still can't believe this happened......

	First evening of the season and I'm sitting behind a stump on a 
	woodline between 2 fields. About 6:30 P.M. I look to my left and
	theres 2 does about 30 yards away. They caught me totally unprepared,
	my bow was on the ground and I was sitting on the ground. I slowly got
	to my knees and picked up the bow. CLANK, the arrow slipped off the
	rest and hit the bow. Instantly I'm in a staring contest with one of
	the deer. After a minute she bolts out of site toward the second field.

	I creep across the woodline to the other side (about 15 yards across)
	and peek into the other field. There they are and they are coming my 
	way!!! As they are approaching, they are moving further into the field
	making my shot longer and longer. Finally one came into a clear spot
	and stopped about 35+ yards away. I put the 30 yard pin on her back
	and the 40 yard pin on her belly and let one loose. The deer immediatly
	bolts across the field and disappears, I thought DAMN I missed her,
	as she was running I could hear her wheezing and thought maybe I hit 
	her after all. I went into the field to look for hair, blood, or my 
	arrow. No hair, No blood, THERES MY ARROW bent to hell and covered
	with blood!!!!!!!  YEE HAW!!! I've hit my first deer with a BOW!!!
	I slowly started looking for blood taking my time so she woould have
	time to go lay down. I found blood about 30 minutes later and 150 yards
	away. First it was small drops, then larger, and larger until there
	were several the size of coffee can covers. I could hear her way up
	ahead wheezing and thought I must have gotten a lung shot and had
	better leave her alone until the A.M. (Its now pitch black). 

	Next morning we pick up the trail and eventually find where she laid
	down and there was huge pool of blood and hair. The blood trail ended
	and for the next 2 hour we kept going in larger circles trying to pick
	trail back up. No Luck!!! Decided to go call the warden for help. On
	the way out (1 mile trip back) I happened to look down and see blood!!
	Some how she had made it several hundred yards away without leaving
	a visible trail (maybe she backtracked for a while). We then followed
	the trail about a half mile until it ended. Several of the blood spots
	were large and we could see where she was crawling. When the trail
	ended for the second time I decide to call it quits for now. On the way
	to the truck (about one mile from where I shot her) I found blood 
	again!!!! 10 yards from there I saw where she laid down and lost more
	blood. My buddy was looking ahead and said "THERE SHE IS" and then
	"DAMN SHES BEEN EATEN!!!!". Sure enough, there was my first bow kill
	half eaten up by coyotes. The hind quarters and half the tendeloins
	were gone!!! I couldn't beleive it!!! I called the warden and he told
	me I had to tag it and that the other half would be OK to eat. I went
	back out and chopped off the bad parts and dragged her back to the
	truck. It must have looked funny as hell to be dragging out half of a
	deer!!! Luckily the warden said I didn't have to bring it to a 
	reporting station and to mail to tag to him.

	I cut up my half deer yesterday and got a fair amount of meat so all
	is not lost. It turns out that my arrow went through the front shoulder
	and exited out through the windpipe. Definatly a fatal shot and she 
	would have died where she layed down if the coyotes didn't chase her
	for a mile. What a way to die......

	I bought my second tag that same day and ended up missing another one
	in the same spot. I mis-judged the distance and shot over her shoulder.

	I'll sit there everynight that i can and hopefully get a whole deer
	this time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! After the season end I'm going coyote
	hunting.

    You guys are "layin' em down"!  Congrats to everyone.  
    
    Wess
    
    P.S. Coyotes suck!

    
    TYPE OF DEER   : Mule Deer Buck  3X3
    WEIGHT         : Unknown
    DATE/TIME      : Oct. 10, 1992 6:45 pm
    TOWN/STATE     : Colorado
    METHOD         : Still Hunting
    WEAPON	   : Rem 700 BDL 25-06  117gr Handloads - Hornaday Interlock
    SHOT DISTANCE  : ~100 Yards Running (Po-go) 
    SHOT PLACEMENT :  Brisket (Rolled him on his back), Followed up with
                      a Neck Shot


	My partner, Dave, shot a big forkie that morning.  We saw 
around 80 deer that opening day, with 11 being bucks.  We each passed up
smaller bucks.  I sure love hunting this state!

    
    	I hit double digits with this deer, this makes 10 total, with 6
    being by bow.... Regardless, this is going to be one fine eating deer!
    and the wife is pretty psyched because she likes it as much if not more
    than me!
    
    
    deer:  Whitetail doe
    weight:    114 lbs
    location: Hanksville, VT - up behind the camp Red Newsham used to stay
    	      at  :')
    date/time of kill: Sunday, Oct. 11th at 5:45pm
    method:  treestand - about 20' up
    shot distance:  11-12 yards
    distance deer ran after the shot:  50 yds
    placement: front quartering, one lung and the heart
    
    
	- there's a full report in the archery notesfile -
    
    good hunting everyone, now to work on that 2nd tag....
    
    - Rob    
    
    

    Rob,
    
    	Excellent. Sounds like fine eating size. Has the new baby
    	taken a liking to venison yet ?
    
    	Sounds like you got it on the other side of the pinicle. Well,
    	that's one less Deer for Brian and his dad. Rumor has it that
    	the leaves are down at camp, down here, their still green...
    
    	Red

    I went out after work yesterday and shot a doe with my bow.  Here are
    the details
    
    Type	Doe
    Weight	Guy at check station didn't weigh, he guessed 120lbs.
    Weapon	PSE compound 60lbs with WASP 3 blade and 2117 arrows
    Distance	25 yards
    Skillet	Hot and ready for some tenderloin
    
    I put the details in archery note 610
    
    Good luck out there!
    Now for a BUCK
    Wess

    TYPE OF ELK	   : 5x4 Bull Elk
    WEIGHT         : a lot (probably 600 lbs.)
    DATE/TIME      : Oct. 14, 11:45 a.m.
    TOWN/STATE     : Colorado - Western slope - near McClure Pass
    METHOD         : Sitting and watching
    WEAPON	   : Winchester Model 70, 7mm Mag, 175 Speer Grand Slam
			hand loads
    SHOT DISTANCE  : 250-300 yds, trotting
    SHOT PLACEMENT : Not sure (see story below)


I was watching a meadow that had paid off for my dad a couple of years
ago.  It was the last day of the season, and I was purposely hunting
close to the road because I knew that I wouldn't have time to pack
one out from a distance.  

I had been watching this meadow for 2 or 3 hours when I heard someone
drive into it.  I then saw a hunter walking down the middle of the
meadow.  I recognized him as one of the guys in the camp next to us,
and whistled and waved to let him know that I was there.  He waved
back and motioned, but I didn't really know what he was getting at.

About a minute later, I heard them.  If you have ever heard elk
running through heavy aspens, then you'll know what I mean.  I
sounded like someone was rolling a Mack truck down the mountain.
Then I saw them, there must have been at least 30 head, and they
were streaming down the mountain side.  It seemed like they were
coming forever.  I was seeing cows and calves, and 2 or 3 spikes
(bulls have to have at least 4 points on one side to be legal).
They were just running out into the meadow and milling around.
I then saw the bull.  I cold tell he had a rack with points, but
he was too far away for me to get a good count of the points (even
through my 9x scope).  Anyway, he ran out into the meadow and stopped.
While I was trying to count points, the guy below shot.  I saw the
bull kick out with his hind legs and start trotting toward the
cows.  I knew that he had been hit, but it didn't appear to be fatal.
I also figured that it must be a legal bull, as the guy who shot
was a lot closer than I was.  I also knew that it was a wounded
animal.  So I shot.

I have a bad habit of closing my left eye (I use my right eye) when
I shoot.  So, I lost sight of the bull when I shot.  I couldn't find
him again, as there were about 20 or 30 cows, calves and spikes milling
around.  Then, they headed back up the way they came.  I couldn't figure
out where the bull had gone.

After they had ran off, I saw the guy below walking, rather hurriedly,
to the area where the bull had been.  Then I saw the bull.  It was on
the ground, still.  They guy walked up to it and shot it again,
and again, and again.  All in all, he shot it three times through the
ribs in an effort to finish it off.

When I got down to the elk, the guy was jumping and hollering and
dancing around like you wouldn't believe.  He was saying something
to the effect that he had finally gotten one and that I had helped.
He offered to split it with me.  As I wasn't sure of what had happened,
I congratulated him on a fine bull, and accepted his offer.  I also
started dressing it out with him (I actually did more of the dressing
than he did).

To make an already long story not quite so long, here's the way I
figure it.  The bull was hit high and back in the stomach.  I figure
that the other guy did this, and that this accounted for the bull
kicking when he shot.  My shot dropped it, as I couldn't find it
after I shot, and that's the only explanation.  I do know that we
both shot once, and that a gut shot won't put one down.  So, I figure
that he hit it first, through the stomach, and that I anchored it.

Anyway, I didn't contest it.  He tagged it.  He just happens to also
live in Colorado Springs, and will give me some of the meat (I have
his phone number).  I really don't know who should rightfully claim
the elk, but it wasn't worth it to me to make a stink about it.  It
would be nice, but I would always know that someone else shot it first.
Also, he had seen the herd from the road, and had been chasing them
for about 3 miles.

Jerry

Jerry,

First of all, congratulations.

Secondly, both of you are to be commended on your courtesy.  And especially you
for your sportsmanship.  It is too bad that more people aren't this cooperative
in the field. 

Kudos.

Mark
    

    
    Type:     Whitetail Doe
    Weight:   110
    Tool used: Proline Point Blank/New Wave set at 70# using 28" 2213's
              with the 75 grain Wasp 3 blade broadhead.
    When:     Oct 5th
    Where:    Wayne County Pennsylvania
    
      Set up my treestand where a swamp and two intersecting deer trails
    were. It was about 100 yards in the woodline from a cow pasture on the
    farm that we had permission for.
    
      Set up at about 1:30 PM, and waited... At about 5:00 PM I'm standing
    up in my stand. Little did I know but that directly behind me were the
    doe that I eventually got, and a smaller one. Well, I turned my head 
    (too quickly as it turned out) to check out the slight noise behind
    me. Immediately the doe blew and the two of them ran about 20 yards
    behinds some bushes. Then they stopped and looked back at me. They were
    about 30-35 yards away. I decided to try a neck shot on the biggest
    doe. As I mentioned in the Archery notesfile, this isn't the type of
    shot that everyone should try, but I felt that I could make it. So,
    I shot, and I saw the arrowstreaking right for where I aimed (her
    neck). It's all a blurr, but I remember the other deer running off
    with that tail held high, and I remember after about a second or two
    seeing the deer I hit thrashing around a bit on the ground. I remember
    thinking "Holy $#!+, I nailed her nervous system somewhere cause she's
    down right where she was hit"!!!  Sure enough, when I finally got
    out of the tree and went over to check her out, I had nailed her
    right where I aimed! 
    
      I love Pennsylvania Archery hunting!
    
    Joe
    

 Helluva shot, Joe! Congrats!

    DATE:	Oct 16, 1992
    TYPE:	Whitetail 4 pointer (perfect forkhorn)
    WEIGHT:	105#
    TOWN:	S. Woodstock, VT
    TIME:	5:00 PM
    WEAPON:   	Golden Eagle Turbo, 75#, XX75 (2413) Thunderhead 125's
    METHOD:  	Stalk
    DISTANCE:   25 yds
    SHOT:	severe rear quartering, femoral/liver/lung, skewered him
    TRAVELLED:  75 yds
    
    Was sitting in my treestand at noontime, and by 3:30 I was soaked, cold
    and shivering... I catch movement across the meadow and low and behold
    the same forkhorn I had seen 2 weeks prior, walks by... at 300 yards
    away I make out antlers and watch it as it walks behind a little knob,
    but never comes out the other side... half hour later I decide to try a
    stalk, as it must be bedded down somewhere on the hillside. besides, it
    was raining and windy as hell, chances are I could get within bow
    range under such ideal stalking conditions.
    
    45 minutes later as i creep across the knob I spot the deer bedded down
    under a pine, minutes later he stands up, stretches and starts walking
    across the hill, totally unaware i was there... I crouch down and
    cruise across the hill 20 more yards to keep the wind in my favor, and
    to cut him off as he slips through some slashings, see him at about 20
    yards in the slashings, and as he reappears, i'm already drawn. he
    turns to walk down the hill and i let the arrow fly. The arrow entered 
    the rear quarter, the classic rear quartering shot, only a little more 
    severe angle.  The deer trotted (all hunched-up) down the hill and over 
    a little knob out of sight into a gully. I waited about 5 minutes at
    the most, due to the misty rain and approaching darkness i didn't want 
    to lose the trail. 
    
    I went over to where the deer was when I shot, and saw good blood sign, 
    but the rain was washing it away quickly, so I immediately walked to 
    where I had last seen the deer heading over the small knob.  Heavy blood 
    sign now, I spotted the deer down not 15 ft away, dead as a fart.
    Knowing the deer was down and it's location, I backtracked to look for 
    the arrow, but couldn't find it (thought it might have gone through), I  
    returned to the deer, flipped it over and spotted the arrow buried to the 
    fletching.  
    
    Turns out the arrow had severed the femoral artery (which was probably 
    the cause for the quick death), and continued on to hit the liver and one 
    lung before lodging in a rib on the other side. Which would explain 
    the hunched back while he was running. dressed him out, admired the
    rack, cleaned up, and started what was one of the worst drags i've had
    the pleasure of enjoying, all up hill at about a 40% grade for what
    seemed like miles but in reality was no more than 2-300 yards.
    
    With both archery tags filled i'm looking forward to the rifle season 
    up there, and hopefully a "Hat Trick" ;^)
    
    good luck to all, Fra
    

    
    Fra...
    
    Congrats man...what a way to fill the second tag.  Looks like you were
    a 'pure' hunter/predator on that stalk.  Things must be getting better
    on that farm you hunt...not so many whimpy spikes you use to 'complain'
    about.  :^)
    
    I wish you could have seen the monster I saw Saturday afternoon, he is
    a beast on hooves.  He must have a 18" spread and long tines, at least
    8.  He may be the same buck I chased around all muzzle season last
    year.  Of course I was in my truck with my good luck charm (my daughter
    Gabrielle - I always see nice bucks when she's with me).  I will be
    concentrating the rest of the season (except tonight, want to give the
    area a days rest).
    
    Way to go...
    
    Kevin
    
    

    
    RE.287
             Congrats Fra. Sounds like one hellva memory that will last
    forever.
    
                                                    Guy
    

Thanks boys...

The memory of this one will not soon be forgotten, that I can assure 
you of...

On any other day, I probably would have screwed it up, but everything 
was just perfect, the wind, rain and fog all worked to my advantage.

Another guy in the camp had a similar occurance, while we were standing 
in back of the camp at noontime, he looked up and saw a deer grazing in 
a field on a hill behind camp, about 400+ yards off... he took a long 
shot and missed  ;^) joshing ya... thru the binoc's we could see the 
rack of a nice 6 pointer.

we talked him into stalking it, came up with a plan and a route for 
the best concealment and wind direction. We watched him through binoc's
for the next 30-45 minutes, as he crawled and ran and snuck and crept to 
within 35-40 yards, of which the last 100 yards or so was totally in the 
open with nothing more than pricker bushes and a barbed wire fence 
between the two.

At one point he was with 25-30 yards  and was fully drawn when he stood up 
behind a bush but couldn't see the deers body cause of a little rise 
between them... so he had to belly crawl to the next bush, he was a little 
farther away now as the deer grazed away from him... he eventually got off 
a shot but missed between the legs...  It was an incredible performance, as 
the rest of us looked on thru 5 pairs of binocs cheering him on, from 400 
yds away! He missed but will have a memory that will last him a lifetime, 
as well as the rest of us!

Fra

    DATE:  10-24-92
    TYPE:  8 POINT BUCK
    WEIGHT: 140# DRESSED
    COUNTY: JASPER COUNTY, GA
    TIME: 9:50 A.M.
    FIREARM: SAVAGE MDL. 110E .270W
    METHOD: TREE STAND (ONLY 8 FT HIGH)
    DISTANCE: 20 YDS
    SHOT: LEFT HIND QUARTER
    TRAVEL: DROPPED IN ITS TRACKS
    
    I was getting to my stand a little bit late in the morning,
    approximately 8:15 a.m.  At 8:30 a doe came within 15 yards of my
    stand, feeding on the winter rye that I had planted.  She never even
    saw me.
    
    At 9:40 a.m. a doe and her fawn had passed by me on the right side of
    my stand, within 20 yds, dissappearing into a pine thicket.  
    
    At 9:50 a.m., a buck had entered my field of view, on the right side
    of my stand.  He had his head down, following the path of the doe and
    her fawn.  All I saw was rack, and was taught by Earl Shaddix to count
    points when its laying on the ground, not when its walking away.  The
    buck turned into a direction of walking away from me, and he had his
    head down.  My only shot was a rear end shot.  So I shot him in the
    rear left quarter.  He dropped right there.  All of a sudden movement 
    caught my eye.  He had a doe traveling with him.  She just stood there
    without flagging.  The buck lifted his head up, and I shot him in the 
    neck to dispatch him.  I don't like to see them suffer.
    
    For the record, this is my fifth year deer hunting, and this is my
    first antlered deer that I harvested.  And to top it off, an 8 pointer.
    I was so pumped, jazzed, etc.  Everytime I watch my hunting video, I
    relive the memory.  Thank God for camcorders.  Doe day is this
    Saturday, and I know which stand I will hunt off of.  There is not
    experience greater than harvesting your first buck.  thank you god.
    
    happy hunting,
    bob
    

Bob,

WOW!!   Congrats!!  and you got it on film to boot!

Good luck for the remainder...

Fra

    
    Congrats on your First Rack, as they say "it all gets easier now"!!!!!
    
    
    
                                                       Guy 

    Congratulations!!!
    
    Hopefully, it will be the first of many more bucks to come.
    
    							George

    Well, this doe day was real productive.  I harvested a good sized
    doe, approximately 120 # lbs dressed, off the same stand I harvested
    my buck on opening day.  The doe came from the same direction, and
    harvest time wad identical to harvest time for the buck a week
    before.  She was traveling with another doe, heading for my winter
    rye.  The shot was placed in it's front left shoulder, ba  passing
    thru the heart and lungs, exiting through the right rib cage.
    That .270 with 130 gr. nosler's really tears them up.  Anyway, she
    ran, stumbled and fell about fifteen yards from impact  zone, and
    passed on.
    
    I shot the smaller of the two does, as the logging road going to my
    stand was MUD, and was a half a mile drag.  I gutted her, and dragged
    her most of the way to camp.  I walked the reamainder of the way
    to camp, to drop off my rifle and daypack, get a beer, and get
    Earl Shaddix Jr., whom was busy processing a deer at camp.  We
    drove part of the way to the deer, and he helped me drag it the
    remainder of the way to the truck.
    
    This sure is my best season so far.  A freezer full of venison,
    two doe tags left, and wh   one buck tag.
    
    Earl asked me, "Are you going to try and fill your tags?"  I replied
    "No, I am going to hunt.  When you get the attitude of trying to fill
    all your tags, that is not the proper hunting concept in my book.  I
    have been fortunate, and hope to continue this streak."
    
    When it comes down to it, hunting succeds      success, is having
    a good, safe time in the woods, and hopefully some venison in the
    freezer by season's end.  I really attribute my hunting success to
    bow hunting.  When you bowhunt, you can pattern the deer, and get
    proper stand placement for gun season.
    
    Enough rampling on now.  Pardon for the typos in this note, my
    pc is a piece of crap, I don't have a backspace key, and I don't
    know how to program the darn thing.
    
    Regards,
    Bob
    Z

    Bob,
    
    Way to go!  I think you are right about "Bowhunting helping you out". 
    I know before I started bowhunting I didn't see half of the deer I do
    now.  
    
    A buck and a doe in the same week, I bet you can't even wear you hat
    now.
    
    Keep up the Good work,
    Wess

    re -2.
    
    Bob why dont you try the Nosler 150 or 160 gr bullets. I have found
    that the heavier bullets, designed for elk, moose class  animals will
    kill the whitetail with minimul damage to the meat.
    A .308 180 gr nosler at 3200 mv will only leave an 2" exit wound on a 
    broadside thru the lungs when hitting a rib on the way in.
    
    regards
    Carl

RE:                     <<< Note 270.297 by KURIUS::LIBS_C >>>
                    -< TRY HEAVIER BULLET FOR LESS DAMAGE >-

>    Bob why dont you try the Nosler 150 or 160 gr bullets. I have found
>    that the heavier bullets, designed for elk, moose class  animals will
>    kill the whitetail with minimul damage to the meat.
>    A .308 180 gr nosler at 3200 mv will only leave an 2" exit wound on a 
>    broadside thru the lungs when hitting a rib on the way in.

	Bob, in general I agree with Carl that you might get less 
	"torn up" deer with the heavier Nosler bullets. The heavier
	Partition bullets also expand very rapidly, they maintain
	more weight in the rear core to allow for better penetration
	which makes them the choice for heavier game. Sofar we have
	not touched on anything which should make the heavier bullets
	less damaging on the meat though. But the heavier bullets
	are sent off at lower velocities, and I believe that is where
	the secret is buried. There is a very direct connection between
	velocity and meat damage. I personally *love* the high intensity
	cartridges like the .300 mags, .270 Win, and the big 7 mm's.
	They kill very well, but they tend to destoy a fair bit of meat - in
	particular if the shots are close ones. Your choice, though
	there is certainly nothing *wrong* with the cartridges.

	My personal opinion for the best option: if one gets to hunt
	in a place where a long shot is not to be expected, use a
	caliber designed for that kind of hunting. A .30-30 or similar
	will kill your deer as dead at 100 yds as a 30-06 will. Or
	you could load down the .270 to slightly lower velocity, or
	you could use the heavier bullets... .02$ FWIW :-)

	Cheers
							- Mike

Another thing to consider is that the 150's were meant to be used with 
larger thicker skinned animals.  You may not get the expansion necessary 
to kill a deer quickly (which implies less tracking and less suffering), 
unless heavy bone was hit.  You could concievably hit a broadside deer 
without hitting bone and get next to no expansion with a 150 gr. Not sure 
what effect a round nose would have under these circumstances, vs the 
more common and preferred spitzer boattails.

For deer sized game, I'd stick with the 130's, if the ranges are close, 
You may want to go with a different cartrige as Mike suggested.  Me I'll 
give what little meat is ruined for a quick kill with little tracking 
involved.

JMHO, Fra

	Fra, I think that your concern about .270 cal 150/160 grs Partitions
	not expanding on thin skinned animals is a good point to
	consider. But I don't actually agree with you. All the
	Partition bullets that I've worked with have been in the
	"heavy-for-the-caliber" range (e.g. .30 cal - 180 and 200
	grs). It has been my experience that the Partitions expand
	very readily - even on light skinned animals at extreme
	range. Note, it is the velocity that determines whether
	a bullet like a Partition expands, not so much what it
	hits. I've had very good expansion right from under the
	skin of the entry point without hitting bone. Nosler
	specifies that Partitions will expand down to about
	1800 fps, that is what you have to worry about. If you
	do happen to hit bone with a Nosler Partition it is almost
	guaranteed to loose its front core completely causing the
	bullet to loose about 40-50 % of its original weight. That
	is the only wart on the Partition's nose as far as I'm 
	concerned.

	There are other cartridges great for deer at close range
	that are certainly no slugs - think of a 7x57, 6.5x55 or
	a .257 Roberts. All of those with the right bullets are
	less likely to mash up your meat but are still a lot
	more versatile than the traditional brush cartridges
	such as the .30-30 or .35 Rem. Yet the latter cartridges 
	will work wonders for you at ranges under 150 yds, and
	that may be all you need?? I would still stay with the
	heavier bullets, but maybe that is just my pet pieve??

	As Fra points out: first ensure you get a clean kill, then
	you can consider what may be more appropriate tools. First
	things first :-)

							- Mike

    Is the expansion a key point?  The shock wave created by the projectile
    damages tissue extensively.  Do we get a bigger "bow wave" with a
    mushroomed projectile.  Does the change in shape yield a greater
    velocity loss (hence more energy imparted)?  Is total energy imparted
    the key?  I.E.  an FMJ .50BMG would certainly have minimal expansion. 
    I've seen range pickups that are reloadable.  But it certainly kills
    any mammal it hits (some APC's as well).  A very small percentage would
    be imparted but a small percentage of a very large number is more than
    sufficient.
    
    My thinking on this has led me to consideration of a large bore bullet
    of considerable mass as the premium choice for extended range shoot. 
    Provided of course the precision is obtainable.
    
    Now if your are "one-gun" ing it, how about the same rifle used with a
    somewhat reduced load, say about half the energy you would get the
    same terminal velocity at 80-100yds as your long ranger banger might
    deliver, ergo the same performance.
    
    So I set about trying to get a rifle that could deliver a 300gr bullet
    at about 2200fps at 300yds (3400ft/lbs).  Then tried to get sub minute
    accuracy.  Both of these acheived, then check expansion at 2200fps. 
    Hard to do and not satified with the results yet.  But the caliber is
    .416 (a 270 expanded to 150%).  One test showed expansion to .870 but
    it blew through my "target" and was buried in sand beyond.  Can't tell
    what expanded the bullet.  
    
    The "woods" load is 2350fps or about 2260 at 100yds (3400ft/lbs).  It
    was real treat when the impact at 100yds was 1.5in high of aim point vs 3.0 
    in for the long range load with the scope set for the longer load.  I
    mark the bullet tips with a felt tip, two black bands for woods, one
    for extended range.  Then expect to carry with a woods load.  Extended
    range would require set up lending to time for change of load.  
    
    In regards to Noslers, both partition and Ballistic tip are supposed to
    be very soft and great expanders.  The T/C contender is really
    effective with these bullets when loaded to its "lower than rifle"
    velocities.  
    
    /bob
    
    Overbore for the game at hand?  Maybe.  But the 300yd solution is very
    interesting. 
                         

This is a good discussion, but maybe you ought to move it to another
note.  This is, after all, the successful deer hunting note.  ;-)

Jerry

    Well, I filled my first deer tag Saturday but I'm not very proud of it. 
    I killed what I thougt was a doe but turned out to be a button head
    buck.  I watched the deer for about five minutes and never could see
    the knots on its head.  Oh well, what can I say.  
    
    Taking this weekend off and will be back in the woods on the 14th. 
    Buck only til the 21st.  Thats the start of my vacation, I'll be headed
    to my trophy club in South GA.
    
    Earl
              

    Same thing happened to me on the 4th of October.  Looked like a medium
    sized doe, awfully big for a button buck.  In fact you cannot see the
    buttons at three feet!  They do not come above fur level.  Well don't
    feel bad (I did too at first), it is your intent that counts.
    
    /bob

    Re. .303
    
    	Earl,
    
    		I guess it's time for bi-focals like I wear.....
    
    		Congrats on the doe I want to be a buck deer.
    
    	Red

Date:  01-Nov-1992.
Time:  07:15.
Caliber:  270, 150 grain spbt, 55 grains 4831.
Shooting distance:  270 yds.
Distance traveled:  15 yds.
Other:  1 shot - heart; mule deer buck - fork horn (12" wide, 14" high); 
dressed weight approx. 130 lbs.

Drove up to area 37 on opening day morning and spent the first day just 
basically scouting.  Had an either sex permit and decided to take the first
decent size animal I found.

Anyway, found a good area late Saturday evening and decided to return early
Sunday morning.  The plan was to hunt high, on the edge of timber and allow
the other hunter to push the deer to me.

When I arrived, there were a number of hunters already in the lower range.  I 
continued up the road until I reached the area that I had spotted the previous
evening.  I then hiked up to the saddle which I had intended to hunt. 

Upon reaching the saddle I had to remove my coat to dry out from the hike.
I had just buttoned back up and started glassing the valley when I saw a fawn
come sneaking around the hill.  I squatted down behind a large rock
and continue to observe.  Next was a doe.  Then a bigger bodied animal 
appeared.  I raised my rifle and could see it was a fair size buck.  I followed
him for about 5 minutes until he came into range.  

I figured the distance to be between 260 - 280 yds.  When he stopped to look at
the opposite hill, I placed the crosshairs about 2/3 up on him and just behind
the shoulder and squeezed.  The buck ran about 15 yds. and collapsed.  I
watched him for another 15 seconds and was sure that he was dead. 

As everyone who hunts the the Rocky Mountains knows, the hard part was just
starting.  I must say though, those rests during the pack-out afforded some very
beautiful views of the Gore range.  To top if all off, it snowed about 90% of
the time I was up in the mountains.  When I left Sunday afternoon there was 
about 14" of snow on the ground.

He is now at the butcher.  Bratwurst, summer sausage, breakfast sausage, jerky, 
steaks, and deer burger will not be far away.

Until next year.

Mark
    

	Congratulations Mark, way to go! Well planned and executed
	and with that element of luck which is so essential to hunting!
	Enjoy your meat supply! :-)

						- Mike

    Heard a rumor that Clay Wade from CXO nailed a muley and an elk in the
    same hunt...Clabroon, we're expectin' a trip report!
    
    Mark.

    SEX: Doe
    WEIGHT: 91 lbs.
    DATE/TIME: 11/4/92 @ 2:00 pm
    STATE/TOWN: Mass - New Salem (Quabbin - Prescott Peninsula)
    FIREARM: Baretta 1200/12 gauge Remington slugs
    HUNTING STYLE: sitting on the ground
    DISTANCE: 25 yards
    
    SEX: BUCK
    # OF POINTS: 9 eastern count (5x4)
    WEIGHT: 146 lbs. dressed
    DATE/TIME: 11/5/92 @ 9:00 am
    STATE/TOWN: Mass - New Salem (Quabbin - Prescott Peninsula)
    FIREARM: Baretta 1200/12 gauge Federal slugs
    HUNTING STYLE: sitting in a deadfall 4 feet off the ground
    DISTANCE: 60 yards
    
    1st day: I was sitting on a hill top, had been there for about 4 hours,
    fog started to roll in and couldn't see more than 35 yards. Off to my
    right side walks a doe, she stops behind a tree, when she stepped out
    I fired, she didn't go down so shot #2, she started to get up shot #3
    I finished her off with a 4th shot (I will not let an animal suffer
    long)
    All the hits were on her left side behind the shoulder. A nice easy
    drag all down hill about 500 yards.
    
    2nd day: I got in the woods at 7:30, it was as crowded as the first
    day,
    picked out a place on the top of the rigde, almost same spot as day
    before, sat there about 1/2 hour and decided to move to where I could
    see the opposite side of the ridge, took a stand in a deadfall. An
    hour goes by and I could see him walking the bottom of the ridge
    out about 200 yards heading as though I had set up for him. Just as
    I was about to pull the trigger he stopped behind a tree, all I could
    see was his muzzle, he took half a step and I pulled, down he went.
    I waited gun ready, he was making no effort to even try and get up.
    I start the climb down trying not to take the gun off him slipping
    and sliding all the way to the bottom. When I reached him I could
    see where the shot hit, he must have put his head down as I pulled
    the trigger because the slug went in dead center at the base of his 
    neck, dead within a couple of minutes. Out comes the camera.
    The fun part was the drag up to the top of the ridge.
    
    This was the quickest season I've ever had, also that was my
    1st buck.
    
    have a safe season - Kevin Butler

    
    	True Mark.  Report to follow.....
    
    Clay

    Sex: Buck
    Points: 7
    Weight: 133 lbs.
    Date/Time: 11/7/92 @ 10:00 am
    State/Town: Mass - Brimfield
    Bow: Browning Xcellerator III, 55 lbs.    
    Arrow: Easton 2117
    Broadhead: Razor Back 4
    Hunting Style: standing on the ground
    Distance: 20 yards
    
    Good luck to everyone.
    Frank Fontaine
    

    
    Sex: Buck
    Points: 2 (Buttons 1 1/2")
    Weight: 70-80 lbs.
    Date/Time: 10/31/92 @ 4:50 p.m. (EST)
    Town/State: Fremont, N.H.
    Gun: T/C .45 Cherokee Black Powder
    Ammo: 70 grains FFG, 255 grain T/C Maxi-Hunter
    Hunting Style: Ground Stand
    Distance: 35 yards
    
    
                       I was in a hemlock swamp and the deer was trying to
    get to a grass swamp. At about 4:20 I heard him walking behind me.
    About 15 minutes later at 60 yards he took off blowing through the
    woods. After a few minutes I here him coming back towards me. He is now
    just about back to where he started out and blows another 4 or 5 times
    at me. The wind is in my favor through this whole ordeal but he is just
    out of sight. Finally he comes out of the trees and starts for my
    direction. It seemed like all day for him to travel 30 yards but I
    waited for my best shot and down he went. After many years of hunting
    with the "Smoke Pole" I finally nailed one.
    
                                                                Guy
     

Congrats boys... Guy, I'm still waiting myself for that first deer with a 
smoker...  He's gonna be tasty...

Fra

Date:  03-Nov-1992.
Time:  07:30
Caliber:  7mm Rem. Mag, 150 gr.
Shooting distance:  300 yds
Distance traveled:  5 yds
Dressed weight approx. 100 lbs. (muley button buck)

Date:  04-Nov-1992.
Time:  10:00
Caliber:  7mm Rem. Mag, 150 gr.
Shooting distance:  20 yds
Distance traveled:  300 yds
Dressed weight  241 lbs. (elk - yearling bull w/ antlers not even out
			  of the fur yet)

10-30
=====

	Travelled to area 43.  It was drizzling rain when we arrived. 
	Squared the backpack away and got the camper ready to "live in".
	Sharpened my knives. Grilled some deer tenderloin for dinner and 
	hit the rack.

10-31
=====

	Woke up to knee deep snow.  The plan was to hunt a bowl at
	the top of the mountain.  At the NW edge of the bowl was a
	saddle that led to dark timber.  The elk I've seen up there
	tend to use that saddle to escape into the dark timber.

	Made it half way up the mountain to an old campsite of ours.
	The snow was crotch deep now.  To hell with this!  Headed
	back down and hunted a meadow.  The snow never let up all day
	and no animals were moving except a mouse which peeked out for
	just a second.  

11-01
=====

	Woke up to app. another 8 inches of snow.  We hunted down low
	on the mountain.  I managed to cross 2 sets of deer tracks
	that were made the night before.

	The evening hunt was uneventful as well.  Still snowing and
	the animals were not moving.  Right at sunset, the skies cleared.
	When we went to bed, the stars and moon were out.  We had renewed
	hope.......

11-02
=====

	The hope we had quickly disappeared when I stepped out the camper
	door to yet another foot of snow on the ground (plus it was still
	coming down hard).  I told the guys that I was pulling my rig out
	while I still could (questionable).  I have an F250HD truck with
	the extended cab and a cabover camper.  The snow was about an inch
	below my headlights.  I chained up the front, put her in 4 low,
	and made my way 100 yards to the road.  The other guys followed
	suit.  Luckily, two of the guys (brothers) had relatives in a
	nearby town.  We've always had an open invitation to stay with
	them so we took them up on their offer.

	I got the camper squared away again and headed out for the evening
	hunt with the only guy in our party who felt like going out.

	We saw a nice area we wanted to try but couldn't figure out if
	the saddle we wanted to hike to was private property or not.
	We ran into a local down the road who was trailering some horses.
	We asked him about it.  He wasn't sure of where we were talking
	about so on his way out, he followed us to the area in question.
	He kinda grinned and said that it was private.....but he owned it.
	He was gracious enough to let us on his property.  He told us that
	once through the saddle, it was public land again.

	We climbed up to the saddle.  There was alot of sign.  It got
	late so we headed back to the truck.

11-03
=====

	Went back up to the saddle in the morning.  We decided to hunt
	to the left because of the numerous game trails.

	We walked across the face of the hillside.  About every 50 yards
	we would come to a clearing which allowed us a good view across
	the draw.  At about the 3rd such clearing, we spotted movement.
	There were 5 does making their way through the trees.  By shear
	luck I happened to be in the best position to take a shot.  I
	sat down and got into position for a good hold.  The last deer
	was making it's way through an opening.  I put the crosshairs
	on her right front shoulder and pulled the trigger....down she went!

	I had to finish her with a followup when we got close to her.
	I turned her over and she turned out to be a button buck.

	It was a fairly easy drag out.

	Went back out that evening to scout for elk.  Saw alot of deer
	on private property.  Nothing else.

11-04
=====

	Two other guys and myself decided to head back to the mountain
	where we had originally camped.  We glassed the surrounding
	mountains for elk.  We chose to go back down to the bottom of 
	the pass and forge the river to get to some public land on the
	other side.  We met up with a fellow who got a cow elk at the
	base of the hill we were getting ready to climb.  He pointed out
	a stand of quakies where he last saw a herd.

	We headed up the mountain.  I felt that we were getting too far
	to the south on the way up.  I mentioned this but the other two
	guys didn't seem interested.  We finally made it close to the top
	of the mountain to an area that overlooked a nice transition area.
	After about 15 minutes of watching, I told my partners that I was
	going to head up a little and then cut back to the north to the
	stand of quakies that we were told held elk.

	I was just about to crest the scrub oak laden knoll when I saw
	what I thought was a big brown butt.  I didn't have my glasses
	on because they were fogging in the 15 degree weather.  I froze
	and kept my eye on what I thought was the rear end of an elk.
	Sure enough, a tail twitched!  

	The next exercise was to determine whether or not this was a 
	cow or a bull (I held a cow tag).  My view was obstructed but
	the elk finally lifted it's head up high enough for me to see
	that there was not a set of antlers on top.  I pulled my rifle
	up <CLUNK> and my binoculars tapped my scope.  I immediatley
	crouched down.  The wind was in my favor so I wasn't worried
	about it getting wind of me.  I waited about 30 seconds and 
	lifted my head up again.  Her ears were up and pointed my
	direction.  I waited until they relaxed.  I chose my alley
	through the brush/trees.  I put the crosshairs on her chest
	and fired.  After I recovered from the recoil there was no elk
	to be seen and I couldn't hear any pounding of hooves.  

	I walked on up over the top to the spot I thought she was standing.
	I saw another cow go down the other side.  I looked around and could
	not find any hair or blood.  I couldn't believe I had missed.  Not
	from 20 yards!  I went back to the spot I shot from and marked where
	she was again.  I got back to that spot and looked around.  Nothing.
	I made a few circles around the bed the elk had made.  Nothing.  I
	went back to the bed and started following the tracks out of it.
	I made it about 50 yards and found blood!  It was like somebody turned
	on a valve.  It was heavy and deep red.  I spotted 2 cow elk down
	below me.  Then, to the left, I spotted her.  There was quite a bit of
	blood on the snow below where she stood.  They bolted and I walked a
	few steps when I noticed movement to my right.  The rest of the herd
	was about 100 yards up the hill from me (a 6X6 bull, a 4X4 bull, a 3X
	3 bull, a spike bull, and 10-11 cows).  That 6X6 was impressive.

	I decided not to push her by tracking.  I headed back to find my
	partners.  I made it to the top of a knoll where I had been able
	to see them.  They were gone.  I made it back to the blood trail.
	This all took about 1 hour.  I tracked for about 200 yards and found
	her lying down unable to get up.  I finished her with another shot.

	I rolled her over to find out that, again, I shot a young male.
	
	I took my time dressing the elk hoping my partners would find me
	and help me drag it out.  No such luck.  I emptied my chamber,
	slung my rifle across my back, and started dragging it out.

	It was somewhere between 1/2 and 3/4 of a mile to the bottom of
	the hill.  The first half of that was a combination of flat, then
	up, then down (repeat).  I was very happy to finally reach the
	portion that was all downhill.  This elk was on the small side
	but somehow it didn't seem small when I was pulling it across
	the flat and uphill parts!
	    
	Vail Pass, on the way home, was an ice rink.

	This is the best year I've ever had.  It was also my first elk
	which made it especially sweet.  I sure do wish I had a bull
	tag though.  That 6X6 would look nice mounted.  Hell, I'd still
	be dragging him out right now!

Clay

    
    re.314
    
          Hey Clay,
    
                     Congrats on your adventure that filled the freezer.
    Hopefully one of these days I'll make it out West.
    
    
                                                            Guy

	Good story, Clay! Congrats on a successful hunt!

	Was any explanation to the DOW required (because of the
	confusion about cows and young bulls - and how difficult
	they are to tell apart in the field)??

							- Mike

	Congrads Clay.  Third season was, as usual, hip deep in snow.

	RE: -1
	Hi Mike,  the reg is:  Cow (Antlerless) elk, any elk without
	antlers or with antlers less than 5 inches in length.  The doe deer
	reg reads similar.

    
    	Thanks guys.  
    
    	The doe deer reg reads identical to elk (ie the < 5" requirement).
    
    Clay

    Type of Deer:  Mulie doe
    Weight:        125 lbs.
    Date:          10/19/92  6:00 PM
    Place:	   Unit 26
    Firearm:       .300 Win mag, 190 grain SBT
    Distance:      30 feet running, ran about another 10 feet.  Took out
	           heart, lungs, and left shoulder


The guys in my camp took two other does, one right after mine and one the 
next day.  Both with my rifles, .300 and .270.  We saw lots of cow elk, but 
no legal bulls to shoot.  I let a 3x3 buck walk, as I did not want to
pack it from where I saw it.  BTW, my tag was either sex.

This deer is the best tasteing I've had in a very long time.

    TYPE:  WHITETAIL
    BUCK:  8" SPIKE HORN
    DATE:  NOV.11,92--1 PM.
    TOWN:  RINDGE, N.H.
    RIFLE: 30/06 REM.
    HOW:   STILL HUNTING--I still hunted to within 30yds before i saw
    	   him making a scrape under a pine tree.*!#@* 1 mile drag to truck

Way to go Al!!!

congrats to all you guys... Fra

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                                 -< 19th Deer >-

    Sex: Doe
    Weight: ~60lbs.
    Date/Time: 11/11 @ 4:30 p.m. (EST)
    Town/State: Milford, N.H.
    Gun: Knight Modern Muzzleloader T-5 Woodsman
    Ammo: 80 grains FFG, 300 grain Modern
    Hunting Style: Tree Stand
    Distance: 10 yds
    
My first deer.  This is my first year hunting with a gun (hunted portion of 
the bow season last year).  The deer came down the path about 10' next to my 
stand as I has hoped (first evening in this particular spot).  At first I
decided it was too small, and let her walk by.  During bow season I'd seen
a number of quality deer that would have been a cinch with the gun, but during
the muzzleloader season prior to general, I had only kicked up a couple and
hadn't a chance for a shot.  So, when the deer was about 10yds out I decided
this would be the one for me, thanked God and pulled the trigger.  When the 
smoke cleared the deer was down.  One shot thru heart/lungs put her down
in her tracks.  I'll be in the same tree with the bow this saturday.

    congrats on your first deer.  how was gutting your first deer?
    
    bob
    

    Not too bad.  Sorta like a big fish 8^),  It would have been nice to
    have a coach nearby, or at least having seen someone dress a deer in
    person.  Would have been even nicer to have had a little more daylight
    for my first time, it was downright dark by the time I was through. 
    All I had was a mini-maglight so that wasn't much help.  
    
    It didn't go too smoothly, because I really had to rush to use what
    light I  had, but I got the job done.   I had watched a video that
    covered field dressing, so I had some idea of what to expect, but the
    video wasn't too  great.  I also had a set of those disposable field
    dressing gloves, they worked well.
    
    Thanks,
    
    -donmac

    You want some real fun, try gutting a moose!  I wished I had a
    disposable *body* glove!
    
    Pete

    Congrats on your first with a smoke pole Donmac! May the deer gods
    grant you many more!
    
    
    Gus

    Sex:  Bull elk
    Weight: ?
    Date/Time:  11/8 @10:00 am
    Town/State:  A few miles South of Meacham, Or.
    Gun:  270 Weatherby
    Ammo: 165 grain Weatherby Mag
    Distance:  250 - 300 yds
    
    Four of us were hunting the tops out of three large canyons, hoping to
    get something moving.  Or, better yet, someone down in the canyon would
    run something out.  It had been raining and windy all day Saturday and
    this turned into snow overnight, so the weather was lousy and
    visibility very spotty.  You could see in between the clouds as they
    blew by and the snow was still falling.
    
    I has just  crossed this draw when I saw a movement up at the top.  Two
    cows and two calves were running flat out from my right to left.  I
    knelt down and scoped them to be sure, but nothing.  I was just getting
    up when, from the same place, came about 6 more.  I was ready then. 
    The third one back was a spike.  At that distance I wanted to make sure
    he was clear of the cows, so I waited a little, but the timber line was
    getting closer.  When I felt I had a clear shot I touched one off.  The
    spike stopped and whirled.  Then the d@##$mn clouds rolled in and I
    couldn't see him.  When it cleared he was still moving around and not
    heading for the protection of the trees.  The cows were also milling
    around and I was having a tough time getting another shot.  Finally, I
    could see clear and fired again.  This time the cows took off, but the
    bull seemed more confused.  Now I only had one animal to contend with,
    but the weather was worsening - snow, clouds and wind were making it
    tough.  Anyway, I was able to get two more shots before he went out of
    sight from where I was.
    
    I walked up to where I thought he was and with a little tracking and
    luck, I found him.  He had one shot through the lungs and a graze along
    his knee.  I think the first shot was a lung shot and the rest were
    misses.  He definitly was confused after the first one and when they
    are lined out like that I don't believe he would have turned without
    being hit.  
    
    Anyway,  he was close enough to a skid trail I could get my 4wd near him
    and with help, we got him into the back.  The meat was in great shape
    and it cooled out for 5 days before we got it home.  It should taste
    great.
    
    
    Ken   

	Good story, Ken! Congrats!

						- Mike

    Geez Earl, input your reply from Saturday's hunt, would you?!
    
    Bob
    

    sex:buck
    pts:8
    wt :135 dressed
    dis:50 yds
    trv:35 yds
    grn:180
    cal:30.06
      
    
    Went to trophy club in South Ga this weekend.  Got on my stand at 6:35
    and settled in for a busy day.  I was hunting parallel to  a logging 
    road with pines to my right, across the road, and hardwoods to my left. 
    This area is pretty open and well traveled by the does. (Find the does 
    and you will find the bucks).  
    
    7:15-Saw my first deer in the pines at about 100 yds.  Big bodied 
    deer-unidentified.
    7:45-saw 2 does cross the road behind me into the pines.
    8:10-heard a scraping noise over my left shoulder.  Turned and saw a
    sapling oak whipping like a fly rod.  Stood up in the stand to get a
    better look and saw a small 8 pt trying to rip the tree up by the
    roots.  He moved in the direction of the road and I got him in my scope
    many times but decided he wasnt big enough.  He finally stepped in the
    road and stopped, looked both directions before continuing across.
    9:10-2 does approached, parallel to the road, in the pines, from my
    back, and traveled past my stand about 50 yds.  They stepped into the
    road and looked for traffic bebore crossing.
    9.25-I was watching the hardwoods when I turned and looked across the
    road into the pines. There he was.  A nice 8 pt with a tall rack.  Not
    very wide but tall with long g1 tines.  He was traveling the same trail
    that the 2 does took.  He stopped a few times to look around but only
    for a second.  I was trying to judge wether or not he was big enough to
    shoot.  Let me tell you it is hard to judge when they are moving thru
    the woods.  Finally he came to the road and started to cross.  When he
    stepped into the road I was ready and decided to take him.  Pulled the
    trigger and he bowed his back and tucked his tail as he went out of my
    sight.  I sat down and looked to my left to see (next line please)
    9:30-a six pt urinating in a scrape.  I could not believe this.  I was
    covered up with deer.
    9:47-To my left I heard rustling of leaves and bushes.  I thought 'is
    that 6pt still there.'  Stood up to take a look and saw atlers moving
    back and forth.  Put my binocs up to see and there was my 8pt lying on
    the ground kicking.  Couldn't get off another shot to terminate so I
    let him expire himself.
    10:10-Was about to come down from my portable when I saw a deer in
    front of me step into the road from the same trail that the prevouis
    does and 8pt had traveled.  It turned out to be not 1,2,3 but 5 does. 
    They messed around on the road and in the pines, working there way out
    of sight for what seemed hours.  Out of sight now, I prepared for my
    decent when I looked up to see the 5 does coming back.  Had to sit down
    for 20 min for them to pass.
    
    Busy morning.
    
    After draging, dressing, and a trip to the freezer, my brother-in-law,
    Bob Harris and myself started talking.  Lamar (inlaw) told me that I
    had taken a nice buck. It was my largest rake to-date.  But it was not
    the big boys we are looking for so next morning I'm back on the stand
    to try and get the big one.
    
    6:40-on the stand.
    --- 
    ---
    ---
    9:50-nothing. Wait, what is that?  Its a doe, a deer, a female deer.
    No, its 2 does to my left.
    10:05-spike to my right
    10:15-3 pt to my right
    
    Then from down the road comes Lamar in the truck.  Hunting is over. 
    Before leaving the area we checked the scrape in the pines and it had
    been cleaned the night before.  I'll be back this weekend.  On vacation
    all next week to.  FULL RUT IS HERE.
    
    Total deer seen: 17-5 bucks, 11 does, 1 uk.
    
    Earl

    Let me be the FIRST to congratulate you, AGAIN!  Personally speaking,
    It was a fine animal you harvested.  A good sized deer with a beautiful
    tall, heavy mass rack.  I saw nothing that weekend.  but I hunted on
    the ground, and not on a stand.
    
    Hey guys, somebody send that photo album down here in Georgia with some
    empty pages in it.
    
    How many buck tags you got left Earl?  Got to be real selective for the
    rest of the season, eh?
    
    bob
    

    Date of kill: 11/16/92
    Type: 3 pointer
    Time: 7:45am
    Where: Delaware County, NY
    Weapon: 12 Gauge Winchester
    Weight: 128 lbs. 1 1/2 old
    
          I was watching 4 does on top of a ridge. I was in "The Griz"
    ladder stand. A shot went off down below when I heard a branch break.
    He was about 20 yards from me. He never saw me. I shot him and he ran
    about 30 yards and I put one more in him. He dropped from the second
    shot. Quick clean kill. He was full of grass and corn. Should be tasty.
    
    Barry 

    Kill Date:11-14-92
    Type: 8pt.buck
    weight: app.170 lbs.(according to butcher who claims he has never been
                         more than 5 lbs.off on deer weights)
    time:2:45pm
    where:Mason N.H.
    weapon: 336c Marlin .35 cal. /w 2.5 pwr Weaver
    Interesting note: Butcher found piece of an old bullet in his rear
    thigh bone. There was massive new bone growth around the bullet.
    
    Just leaving my afternoon stand to go for my evening stand and along
    comes this buck around the corner of steep ridge that I had just taken 
    the afternoon to watch from. He stopped about 50 yds.away in thick
    brush and started to get nervous. I let him walk a few more feet into a 
    small opening before placing a shot behind his right shoulder.He
    hunched up immediately but took off like a shot. Put another shot into
    the base of his neck as he was running and he dropped about 25 yds.
    further. 

    Keith,
    
    Congratulations!  Sounds like a nice sized deer.  They sure are tough
    to withstand bullets and broadheads!  Keep up the good work.
    
    Wess

        TYPE:  WHITETAIL
        BUCK:  8pt
    	WEIGHT: 146lb dressed
        DATE:  11/15/92 - 11:45 AM.
        TOWN:  Sunapee, N.H.
        RIFLE: 44 Mag
    
    	My first deer! I was on stand, kind of napping...ya know, and I
        heard somthing coming. I finally saw it was a deer but couldn't
    	get the scope on it. So very kindly it came out into the open 
        and I could see the rack without using the scope. Then to be 
        even nicer he turned sideways so I could get a good neck shot.
    	Shot about 30 yards.
       
        Come to find out he must have been pushed out of the swamp below
        the ridge I was on by a other hunter. I happen to be sitting on 
        its escape route.
    
    	Looking forward to next season. 
    
    	-John	
    

    type:    whitetail
    points:  7
    weight:  196 lbs.
    date:    11/09/92
    place:   Hobbstown,Maine
    time:    9:45 a.m.
    distance:100 yards
    gun:     Winchester 30-06 180 grain bullets
    method:  tracking in crusty snow                                                  
    
    Rob Wener, me and two other guys rented a cabin in the Jackman area of
    Maine for a week. We arrived on sunday and did some scouting of the log
    roads in the area we wanted to hunt so we could find the area the next 
    morning. We were 17 miles in on this log road right near were we wanted
    to hunt the following morning when Rob spotted a track crossing the
    road. It was a fresh buck track. Rob didn't want to follow it the next
    morning because he said it would be to old by then. So i said i would
    follow it hoping it would lead me to other fresher tracks. Rob dropped
    me off at the track the next morning and parked just down the road. I
    followed the track half way up into a clear cut from the road where it
    turned right and went into the woods. Within ten feet inside the woods
    he made a scrape. He headed up hill making scrapes as he went. Shortly
    he intercepted another track that was coming back down his track. It
    looked like the same deer that i was tracking only fresher. So i
    switched to the fresher track and followed it back downhill. Within ten
    minutes i came to it's bed. He had walked out of the bed and i knew i
    was getting close. He is headed straight towards the log road. I jumped
    him on the edge of a small swamp and he ran back across the big clear
    cut that he had walked up through earlier. I hadn't seen him yet but i
    was looking all around as i tracked him across the clear cut. Half way
    across i saw him running in head high brush. I only had time for one
    quick shot before he went into a ravine and i missed. He headed back
    into the woods on the other side of the clear cut and hit Robs tracks 
    where he had started following a buck. He followed robs tracks right 
    through a couple of scraps and then cut back down hill again. We 
    followed him for a couple of hours as he walked parallel to the road.
    During this time he was making rubs and scraps and went thru two more
    clear cuts. Just after he went thru the second clear cut he destroyed
    a small spruce tree leaving all the limbs in a pile at the base of the
    tree. Just past this he entered a small hardwood strip of woods. I
    couldn't beleive it when i looked up through the hardwoods and he was 
    feeding about 100 yards away. I couldn't beleive that he was that dumb
    that i had to look to make sure he had horns and was the same deer.
    When i had confirmed his horns i was laying down in his tracks and he
    was facing directly away from me. It looked like he was going to
    disappear from sight if he moved so i decided to take a rear end shot.
    At my shot it blew him sideways and it looked like he had fallen. But
    he was up again quickly and running right down his back trail right at
    me. Laying down i couldn't get a bead on him as he was coming so when
    he got real close i jumped up and he spotted me and darted behind a
    small knoll out of sight. I ran to the top of the knoll and missed him
    running thru the brush. Then it was a dead run down his tracks back to
    the edge of the last clear cut we had come thru. He had stopped on the
    edge and he took off running when i came into sight. I was shooting
    down hill from the knoll and hit him right between the sholder blades
    breaking his spinal cord. He did a somersalt landing on his head. The
    first shot had broken one hip and gone up through the stomach. A half
    hour drag to the road and then another half hour walk back up the road
    to the truck and the Maine hunting season was over.
    
    
    made a scrape

    TYPE:    whitetail
    points:  7
    weight   154 lbs.
    date:    11/14/92
    place:   Richmond,Vermont
    time:    6:50 a.m.
    distance:50 yards
    method:  still hunting
    gun:     Winchester 30-06 180 bullets
    
    Headed into the woods right behind my house on opening day just at 
    daylight. Saw a deer run onto a ridge and run up it at a distance.
    Watched just movement going up the ridge and then i didn't see it go
    thru a opening and figured it went over the back side of the ridge.
    So i circled around the bottom of the ridge to the back side and
    he comes sneaking down the back right in front of me. It was a very
    easy 50 yard shot broad side. This ruined Vermonts season real fast.
    So now i will have to hunt New York and Vermonts muzzleloader seasons.
    Good luck to everybody. You probably wont be hearing to much more from
    us Vermonters because the plant is closing and it looks like we will
    be done about January 15th.

    
    
    type:   Whitetail buck
    points: 4
    weight: 118 lbs.
    date:   11/27/92
    time:   12:45 pm
    place:  Hanksville, Vermont
    distance: 40 yards
    shot placement: spine, angled down into chest cavity taking out
    liver and right lung.
    distance travelled: 3 feet,blew him over backwards and didn't twitch.
    method: stillhunting a strip cut
    weapon: Weatherby VGL .308, 165 grain Federal premium boat-tail bullets
    
     

    Type: whitetail buck
    points: 9
    weight: 180 lbs
    date: 11/18/92
    time: 3:45 PM
    area: ~6 miles west of Ashland, Maine
    distance: ~50 yds
    shot placement: front chest
    method: sitting in a swamp
    firearm: Marlin model 1895 .45-70 Govt w/405 gr. jacketed flat points
    distance travelled: 2 feet backwards
    
     Had put on several miles during the day looking for decent and recent
    sign, and was having no luck. Saw one scrape about a day old in an area
    close to the swamp, but not enough to get me excited.
     At about 2:45, I had travelled back to a tote road crossing to where
    I almost cashed it in for the day and went back to the truck to rest
    my aching legs. At the last minute, I decided to go on down the tote 
    road for about a half mile and cut into the swamp and wait for legal
    hours to finish. I cut into the swamp for about 50 yards and sat. 
    (Last year, I had one blow at me in this same area, but never got a 
    look at it).
     Unfortunately, the place was overpopulated with red squirrels, and
    there were noises and leaves rustling all over the place. After sitting
    for about half an hour, I noticed a bit of movement from my right side
    and turned my head to see what it was. The buck and I noticed each
    other at the same time and we both froze. Through the trees, I could
    make out his face, chest, and one leg. After a short staring contest,
    he lowered his head (to presumably get a better look at me) and I could
    see a potrion of his rack. It seems funny, but the same series of
    questions buzzed through my head like out of a textbook: 1) is it a
    deer? 2) is it a buck? 3) do you have a good shot? 4) backround safe?
    5) why aren't you shooting?
     He was facing me directly head on, and I put the bullet right into the
    middle of his chest. Impact knocked him backwards onto his butt, and he
    laid over on his side dead. Looking back at the shot in my mind, I
    still have no recollection of hearing the shot go off, feeling the
    recoil, or hearing the impact. I do, however clearly remember seeing
    the impact in the chest, and seeing him get pushed backwards off his
    feet.
     He was quite dead when I got to him. I started dressing him out, and
    when I rolled him over to scoop out the innards, I noticed something
    out of the usual in the heap. I reached over and picked up my bullet...
    mushroomed just as nice as could be, and only missing a couple small
    pieces of the jacket. It had travelled through the heart, taken out a
    small section of intestinse (sp?) and stopped at about the kidney area.
    (I later weighed the bullet, and found it had retained 390 of the
    original 405 grains).
     Of course by this time it was pretty dark in the swamp, and as I was
    trying to clean out more of the goodies from the cavity, I cut a muscle
    in the pelvis area, and his right leg twitched like crazy. Naturally,
    my immediate reaction was to cut my thumb, and move out of the way,
    having the doo-doo scared out of me. Interestingly enough, for the next
    30 seconds or so, when I touched that particular area, I would get a
    noticeable twitch, either in the whole leg, or that particular muscle
    group. Once I convinced myself that a field dressed deer wasn't going
    to jump up and trash me with his antlers, I got to dragging him back to
    the tote road. Back on the road, it was a little lighter, and I then
    dragged him all but about 30 yards to the area where we had parked the
    truck. It was so dark by this time, that I was afraid that the next
    time I laid my rifle down, I wouldn't be able to find it. Left him
    wearing my hat and hoofed it about half mile to the truck where my
    father was waiting. There had been loads of coyote sign around, and I
    figured that my hat would leave enough of my scent behind to keep them
    off the buck for a little while. Drove to the end of the road and hauled 
    him the rest of the way out.
     Two years ago I had taken another 9 pointer out of the same general
    area, and he weighed in at 165 lbs. On the way back, I stopped by one
    of the courtesy check stations and gave them a tooth, along with all
    the particulars. Supposedly, I get a post card back after a while and
    they'll tell me how old the big boy is.
     So I guess the moral of the story is: even when your legs  are ready
    to give out, go have a seat in a swamp.
    
    Bob
                                           

	  Well, this may well be the hunting story of the year.  Its a 
    	little long.... sorry.

	  It was the last day of a very frustrating season.  The weather 
	had been bad (rain, no snow, not our favorite conditions) and we
	had not seen the numbers of deer that we had expected to see.  I
	was hunting with my usual partners: my Dad and my brother-in-law.
	We have hunted together for 9 years, and during that time we had
	never gone a season without at least one of us getting a deer.

	  Dad and I met at the end of a ridge at 3:15pm.  I decided to drop
	off the front (south-west) edge of the ridge and push thru some
	Pines and Oaks, and come out on the edge of a pond around dark.  It
	was going to be a long walk back to the truck, but what the heck.
	Dad was going to drop off the North side of the ridge and push thru
	an area that they had been doing some logging over the past few years.
	Legal shooting hours ended right around 4:30, but being overcast, it 
	was going to be too dark to see a little before then.

	  I got back to the truck at 5:00pm (I had to walk around the pond
	on a path in the dark), fully expecting to be the last one out of 
	the woods.  To my surprise, Dad wasn't back yet, but my brother-in-
	law was.  We were getting a little worried by 5:15, and Jay (brother-
	in-law) thought he'd heard someone hollering up on the ridge.  About
	5:30 or so, we definetly heard hollering and a shot from up on the
	ridge.  Now the conditions were really muddy and sloppy where Dad
	was, due to the logging, warm weather, and rain.  All we could think
	of was that he was hurt or something (neither of us had heard a shot
	between 3:30 and the one around 5:30).  I fired a "direction"
	shot (to guide him or let him know we were there).  I heard him
    	holler in response to my shot.... thought I heard him say "I'm up
    	on the ridge" but that was all I could make out.  Dad's hearing is 
    	going on him, so he wasn't hearing my yells.
    
	  Finally we decided we had to go back up after him.  We went to a 
	house that was just down the road a ways and explained the situation.
	They gave us some big flashlights and a first aid kit, and we headed
	up the ridge.  About 1/4 mile in, I fired another shot, and Dad re-
	sponded with one of his own.  We headed in that direction.  A little
	ways farther on, I hollered (hoping he's be able to hear me).  This
	time he responded.  I hollered for him to keep talking and we headed
	in his direction.

	  When we got to him he said, "boy am I glad to see you guys".  There
	beside him was a deer.  Yep, he wasn't hurt, he was dragging a deer!!
	Phew!!  It was a real nice one too... a beautiful, heavy racked 8
	pointer.  We estimated the weight to be 190lbs.  Anyways, Jay and I
	dragged it out the rest of the way.  We arrived back at the truck a
	little after 7:00pm.  *REAL* dark.  Tough drag.

	  Of course we wanted to hear the deer story, and Dad kinda chuckled.
	After we split up at 3:30, he posted on the edge of the ridge until
	around 4:00pm.  Then he dropped down off the ridge a ways and picked
	up a logging "road" (accessable only with a skidder).  At around 4:10
	he was walking along the road when all of the sudden a deer lifted
	its head up beside the road.  It was a buck!!  Dad pulled the gun up
	and snapped off the safety.  But something wasn't right.... the deer
	didn't get up and run.  It stayed right there, just shaking its head
	back and forth, kinda struggling.  Dad watched it for a little while,
	trying to figure out what the hell was going on.  It must be wounded,
	right??  So Dad dispatched it (from 30 feet away) with a single shot 
	to the back of the neck.

	  After looking at the area, here's what he detirmined happened.  The
	deer came charging down the ridge, hit the logging road, and tried to
	make a hard right.  He slipped, hit the mud, fell on its side, and 
	slid off the side of the road, down an embankment, right into a fall-
	en tree.  And couldn't get back up!!  It was stuck!!  Not wounded, 
	just stuck!!  It was a 4 foot drop-off with a fallen tree up against 
	it, and the deer could not get out.  We have no idea how long the 
	deer was there, but from the sounds of it, it probably would have 
	died there.  His feet were all tangled in the branches, and it just 
	could not get out.  Never in my life have I heard of such a thing.  
	Pretty humorous!!  This will be a deer story that will be told and 
	joked about for years.  Dad says he'll tell everybody that it was 
	a running shot at 150yds and he dropped it with a single shot to the
	back of the neck, but we know differently.

	  I know this isn't my success story, but I had to share it.  I got
	skunked for the second straight year.  Saw a buck yesterday, but 
	was too quick to get a shot at.  Too bad I saw a sure footed deer. 
	;-)......

	  Here are the stats:

    type:   Whitetail buck
    points: 8 (good, heavy rack. Very symetrical)
    weight: 175 lbs.
    date:   11/29/92
    time:   4:10 pm
    place:  Fletcher, Vermont
    distance: 30 feet
    shot placement: back of the neck, high
    distance travelled: 0
    weapon: .308 Savage.
    

    .342 and .343, great stories, congrats on both harvests.
    
    bob
    
    

    I guess I will put this one in here, even though he wasn't a big one.
    
    what:	6 pointer  
    where:	Ohio
    when:	yesterday
    why:	I was trigger happy
    
    I was invited to hunt last week here in Ohio, so I broke down and
    bought a license and took a vacation day for yesterday.  I had never
    hunted the farm and only had 1 day to do so.  I arrived before light
    and made my way to a site I liked from an airial photo.
    
    It was an either sex season, and I had 3 does within easy slug range.  
    I waited for something else.  About 09:30 I looked over and saw a 6 
    pointer with a 14" spread walking right at me.  I thought, I want something
    bigger.  He kept walking toward me and I decided since I only had 1 day to 
    hunt I had better go ahead and take him.  At 8 yards he turned and I shot
    him behind the shoulder.  He turned to run down a deep valley and I
    popped him again breaking his back.  I'm glad I did because I only had
    to drag him about 3 feet.
    
    When I got home my wife said "Ok, now you are finished"!  I told her I
    still had a deer tag left for Ky and she demanded I was done deer
    hunting.  My 3 year old son then stepped up and said "Dad, you can go
    deer hunting whenever you want, because I said."  My wife looked at me
    and we busted up.  I guess the nerf bow I bought him is starting to pay
    off.
    
    Good luck
    Wess
    

    
    Whitetail Buck
    7" spike
    120 lbs
    Rutland,MA
    8 a.m. opening day
    Remington model 11 12 gauge, 1oz Remington Sluggers
    
    I hit the deer with two of 3 shots. First hit the right front leg
    even with his chest(Too low but did sever the artery) . The second 
    hit too far back and and nicked his intestines. Where the 3rd one went
    I have no idea. At times I was on my hands and knees looking for blood
    then there would be blood everywhere then it would disappear again.  
    I jumped him at one point and another hunter shot him, the slug went
    in the left rear ham and tore right through his guts. What a mess. Now
    I know why the guy did'nt argue with me about whose deer it was. Anyway
    I had about a 1 mile drag back to the car. Never made it. Left the deer
     in the woods and went for help. My buddy had a 4wd and we drove up the
    high tension line to within 100 yards of the deer. My buddy then
    dragged it out for me, what a guy. I'm not happy with the 2 shots I
    made, I had time to get the gun up and took my time to aim. I'm not
    sure what happened, maybe one or both slugs were slightly deflected
    by a branch? It was a 35-40 yard shot. At least he didn't run off
    and die somewhere where I would'nt have found him. Funny thing was
    his right rear leg was busted, he must have broke it while running
    through the woods. I also still have my doe tag for the Quab this
    fri/sat and there're forecasting snow. I hope to have another hanging
    this weekend.
    
    Walt

    Congrats Ralllppphh, I mean Walt :')....Way to go.... Now for that
    venison that you promised me ....

    Gus                         

    
    Sure Gus I'll give you some of the meat that got contaminated ;')
    Really Gus it was a mess gutting that deer, they smell bad as it is
    but that slug tore up his insides real bad. And yes I yakked, the only
    good thing was that nobody was around to laugh at me. I washed him out 
    as soon as I could so hopefully the meat will be o.k. I plan on cutting
    him up tommorow morning so I'll be sure to call you and tell you how
    good he tastes.
    
    Walt
    

    I sure wish I could have been there to help you gut him out! I would
    have laughed me a## off:').. I helped my friend with his gut shot deer
    one time but the smell didn't really bother me that much. Must have been 
    all the excitement that did it to ya...Now, if I can only see them six
    deer again this weekend while bow hunting, and if they can only come
    within range, and if I can draw on them with out seeing me ......,then
    maybe I'll be able to enter a successful reply:')... 

    Gus 

    
    
    TYPE OF DEER   : 1 PT. BUCK 
    WEIGHT         : 108 LBS.
    DATE/TIME      : Nov. 28, 1992, 7:30 AM 
    TOWN/STATE     : Colchester, VT 
    METHOD         : Groundstand  
    WEAPON	   : Winchester Model 100 .308 Semi-Auto
    SHOT DISTANCE  : 35-40 yards
    SHOT PLACEMENT : Front Shoulder/Heart (1 shot) 



	What began as a terrible season had a good ending. I'll review
the terrible part first.

	Week before season 80% of land gets posted and owner won't give
permission except to his buddies.

	Day before season a huge buck gets killed by a car on the interstate
right near my treestand. The week before I had observed 4 fresh ground scrapes
within 40 yards of the treestand. Decided to change my approach and hust another
section of the woods.

	Day 1 - Sitting in the hardwoods next to the newly posted land. Observe
mister 8 pointer strolling up the meadow on the posted land without a care in 
the world. It took alot of willpower not to pull the trigger. the deer was shot
5 days later and weighed 197 lbs!

	Day 4 - Dropped an 8 or 10 pointer in a goldenrod field and the S.O.B.
crawls away and is never seen again. Was snowing like crazy and covering up the
blood as quick as I could find it. Man are deer tough and sneaky!! I looked for
11 hours and never found him. Someone shoots a 4 ptr in the same section of 
woods later that day. 

	Day 14 - My partner has 7 deer come out behind his treestand. The
problem is - He's not in it but sleeping on the ground under it. They spook
before he can see if there are any bucks. 

        Now for the Success!!!

	Day 15 - Next to last day of rifle season. Stand behind a waist high
rock about 200 yards from friends treestand. 7:15 A.M. a coyote whips by and
I can't get a shot off. 2 minutes later a deer strolls out of the pines about
30 yards away and has a several minute staring contest with me. I can't find
horns and she eventually stomps and snorts and runs away. 2-3 minutes later
a deer comes back from where the doe just ran. It stops about 35-40 yards
away with its head behind a tree and some branches. I spend the next 5 minutes
looking through the scope and thinking my arm was going to fall off from
holding up the gun for so long. I slowly lower my arm against my chest to rest
it a little. I raise it back up and the scope is fogged!! Meanwhile the deer
is still staring at me. As the fog clears, I slowly lean to the right and 
see what I think is a horn. I decide that it is a horn and put the crosshairs
on opening in the branches in the front shoulder area. I shoot and the deer
does a reverse somersault and then runs like crazy into the pines. I run up
and see lots of blood!!! I holler to my friend and begin tracking immediatly.
I didn't want to loose this one. The tracking job was easy due to lots of blood
everywhere and I found him about 100 yards into the pines. He was already dead
and I finally had my first buck of my life and my second deer of the year!!!
  
	The shot broke the front shoulder bone, went through a rib, through
the top of the heart and out through the other shoulder. I don't know how that
sucker ran a hundred yards.


	I'm back in the woods tomorrow with my bow. Gotta get a buck since I
didn't apply for a doe permit. A 8 pointer was spotted in my area on Tuesday.

    TYPE OF DEER   : 6 PT. (4&2) BUCK
    WEIGHT         : 106 LBS. DRESSED
    DATE/TIME      : NOV. 30,1992   6:45 AM (est. ~ 10 min. after 1st light)
    LOCATION       : ~ 100 YDS. BEHIND MY HOUSE, MA
    METHOD         : GROUNDSTAND
    WEAPON         : 12 GA. DOUBLE BARREL (BORROWED) - FIREARMS INT'L CORP.
                     (MADE IN SPAIN)
    SHOT DISTANCE  : 25 FEET
    PLACEMENT      : SHOULDER, NO EXIT WOUND
    WEATHER        : CLEAR, 45-50 DEGREES
    
    "Got up, got out a bed, dragged a combed across my head. On my way
    downstairs I had a cup, and lookin' up I thought that I was late.
    Grabbed my coat, and grabbed my hat..."
    
    And my borrowed gun. Headed uphill behind the house to my stand across
    a field. Heard a major blow along the way, so I scanned the area with
    my binocs before heading across the open to my destination - a pine
    grove with a small ravine which borders an apple orchard.
    
    Leaned against a low hanging pine, prepared to wait there for two hours
    before changing locations. Scanned the field,heard 2 shots, heard some 
    leaves, turn head slowly to my left and there he was! Horns, dirt bank
    backdrop behind him, and walking slowly. Let him get as close as my 
    anxiety could tolerate - all the time with a bead drawn on 'em. Fired!
    Dropped him right on the spot, not even a kick. Slug stayed in his
    shoulder. Did the deed then draggeg him downhill on a pine needle
    covered trail back to the house. Had breakfast by 7:15.
    
    After 15 years of trying to get one (I  hunt only 1-2 days/season and
    always on my farm - just don't have the time for more.)
    
    Aside from the weirdo rack, he's sure to be good eating!
    
    PS That night I saw a picture at my local R&G club of a 35 PT. atypical
    buck (225 lbs) taken in VA last week. Another weirdo...but I bet it
    won't taste as sweet!  
    

    TYPE of DEER   : Doe
    WEIGHT         : 105 ( Field Derssed )
    DATE/TIME      : Dec., 5, 1192 09:30
    LOCATION       : Shoulderbone, Ga. ( Hancock Co. )
    FIREARM        : Marlin Carbine ( .44 Mag )
    METHOD         : Ladder stand
    SHOT DISTANCE  : 60 Yards
    DISTANCE TRAVEL: 0 ft.
    WEATHER        : 46 DEGREES, 10 - 15 mph winds
    PLACEMENT      : Back quarter ( broke spine )
    
    
    	I was sitting in Bob Harris's secondary ladder stand in a low/swamp
    area. A spike horn came in from my right and traveled 10 feet in front
    of my stand. I followed his flight but could not get a clear shot. 5
    seconds latter, the Doe came from the same direction running by my
    stand. She was limping ( left front leg broken ). Even with the
    bad leg, she was moving pretty good. At 60 yards I whiseled and
    she stopped immediately ( back side to me ). She would not offer
    a side shot so I plowed one in from the back. It went in the left 
    side and exited. She went straight down but tried to get up again.
    The second shot was placed in her heart/lung area. When I got to
    her, she was in labored breathing. Instead of waiting for a slow
    death, I placed a shot in het neck. The gutting showed that the first
    shot had broken the spine and that the second shot had devastated her
    heart/lung area. Why she was still breathing is behond me. 
    
    	Dragged her through the swamp unto the road and awaited Bob
    Harris's help in getting her to his truck ( thanks again Bob ). She
    is at the meat processor now and I'll be picking up the venison during
    the bonus week we have here in Ga. Price at the processor is $ 35.00
    for all the processing.
    	
        As a side note. The day before one of the members of the club had
    shot a Doe. It seems the round went through her and broke the leg of
    the Doe I shot. I was glad that she went down as she would not have
    lasted long hobbeling on three legs.
    
        Red Newsham in Georgia
    
    
    	
    	

    Congrats Red.  Now you wont need to bum venison from Bob and myself.
    
    Earl (three tags left and 34 days left in the season.)

    
    	Congrats Red!  Now you and Brian will have plenty of venison 
    for Myrtle Beach this winter.  He got one too, as I'm sure you've
    heard.  
    
    - Rob

    Hey Red,
    
    My freezer is FULL!!!  Earl came by last night and dropped off my 
    100 quart icechest full of venison.  You better buy a freezer, or
    talk to Alan about storing your venison.  I have four deer in my
    freezer and we are eating alot of it right now so I can get another
    one during bonus week.
    
    By the way, since that was harvested off of MY secondary stand, I 
    expect some backstrap from you.  Just kidding.
    
    Bob
    

    
    
    TYPE OF DEER   : Whitetail doe 
    DATE/TIME      : Dec. 5, 1:30 pm 
    TOWN/STATE     : Fairfax, VT 
    METHOD         : Tracking 
    WEAPON	   : T/C White Mountain Carbine, .50 caliber, load - 90 grains
		     Pyrodex, 370 grain maxi-ball
    SHOT DISTANCE  : 50 yards
    SHOT PLACEMENT : lung/paunch 


	After tracking a buck that I missed at 9:00 am, a doe popped up over
	a small knoll and began running with the buck.  There was no way I
	was going to get close to them with the conditions being so noisy, so
	after pushing them for close to 3 hours I decided to lay off and sit
	for 45 minutes.  I picked up the track again which lead right up a
	fresh logging road - very quiet.  I had a feeling they wanted to bed
	down because I had jumped them up a couple of times.  So I walked very
	slowly...the tracks split going up into some thick hemlocks, I figured
        they would be laying down...got on what I thought was the bigger track,
	again tough to tell with the conditions.  And a deer stands up in the
	hemlocks 50 yards away, I move away from the deer because there's no
	way I'll get a shot unless I get behind some cover.  When the head is
	behind a tree I pull up a release that 370 grain monster-ball.  When
	the smoke cleared a deer was running right down the bank at me, it was
	a doe, she bounded over the bank out of sight.  I reload and begin
	to figure out what happened.  There was no blood where she was standing,
	and only droplets with stomach matter on the snow after that...feeling
	awful about the shot placement...that's not where I aimed.  Down the
	other side of the hemlock ridge she was on and there's more blood and
	my deer laying about 30 yards up the hill.  One shot to the back of 
	the neck finished her off.

	Now here's that part that surprised me...a 370 grain maxi-ball hitting
	a rib on a well placed shot 3" behind the shoulder, changing direction
	by 45 degrees and exiting in front of her rear leg.  Unbelievable 
	amount of internal bleeding...and an incredibly messy gutting job, her
	insides were totally destroyed.
	
	I feel very fortunate to have taken 2 fine animals with primitive 
	weapons.  Both were firsts - my bow and muzzleloader.  They aren't
	monster bucks, but I don't hunt to impress anyone anyway so that's 
	not a problem.  I'm not done yet, blackpowder season goes through
	Dec. 13th, so I still have an opportunity to take a buck.
        

    DON'T YOU LOVE HUNTING WITH THE OLD MUZZLELOADER!  I'M GLAD SHE DIDN'T
    GO VERY FAR.  THERE ISN'T ANYTHING IN THE WORLD LIKE BEING OUT IN THE
    WOODS WITH THE MUZZLELOADER IN YOUR HAND AND A COOL BREEZE IN YOUR
    FACE.  IT EVEN TAKES YOUR MIND OFF OF THE LAY-OFFS...
    
    CONGRATS,
    WESS_WHO_WILL_BE_OUT_WITH_THE_FLINTLOCK_ON_SATURDAY_SMILING_REAL_BIG

    WHERE: Quabbin 
     WHEN: Nov. 30, 9:30am
      HOW: 12guage slug(s)
     WHAT: 105lb doe
    
    
    	I wanted to move my stand after seeing about 15 hunters walk 50yds
    in front of me by 9:00am. I stillhunt to where John is and we begin to 
    chat quietly about all the shooting.  He thanks me for putting his # on
    the application, even if we didn't get a deer.  Seems the does were
    waiting for him to say that as 3 come cruising over the ridge 100yds
    away.  I was facing downhill when he tells me there's a deer comming.
    I didn't know how far away (or how close) so I crouch down.  The deer
    were about 75yds away when I pick up the first doe in my scope.  It
    goes behind a group of trees, and John fires (my ears are still
    ringing). The deer re-appears and I fire. 
    
    We find the deer 15yds from where we last saw it,,,,,,,with 2 shots in
    it!!!!!!!!!
    
    What a way to go hunting; John shoots and I back him up!!!
    
    John had a clear shot when the doe went behind the trees, and took out
    the does heart. The doe came into my veiw quartering away, and I put my
    slug high in the shoulder.  It's a wonder she made it that far.

	TYPE:    Whitetail
	WEIGHT:  115lbs
	DATE:     12/1   7:30 AM
	TOWN:     Mill River, MA
	GUN:      REM 870
	METHOD:   Sitting 

	
I spent the opening day perched in my tree stand.  I saw two does walk by me at 10yds around 6:15, but it was
before shooting hours.  Those were the only deer I saw all day.  On the second day I decided to spend some
time on the ground and check out some other areas.  I was sitting on a birch tree (eating a pop tart), when I
noticed some movement off to my left.  Sure enough it was a deer moving through the thick cover.  I now had to
decide if I wanted to take a difficult shoot through a thousand trees or hope that it would turn and walk the
trail towards me.  Sure enough, it turned and I could identify that it was a spikehorn.  It was now heading
straight for me.  When he stepped behind a tree I brought my gun up and waited for him to step out.  He took
anouther step and then BOOM!  One shot and he went down.  The shot entered his chest and travelled through the
body and lodged in his hip.

I was only 1/4 mile to the cars (through an open field), so the drag was tooooo easy.  I was out of the woods
by 8:30 and back at the motel by 9:30.  Now that's the way to spend your vacation!

    
    TYPE:      WHITETAIL DOE
    WEIGHT:    110LBS.
    DATE:      Dec. 10th   10:00 pm
    TOWN:      Bolton, Vermont
    GUN:       50 cal. Muzzleloader
    METHOD:    Stillhunting
    DISTANCE:  80 yards

    
    
    okay so now we know how you get them...so what kind of lights do you
    prefer?  300 or 500,000 candle power?  :^)
    
    Way to go.
    
    Kevin

    TYPE:  Whitetail Doe
    Weight:100-110 +-
    Date:  12/14
    Time:  9:30 am
    Where: Potter County, PA.
    How:   Stand (in ALOT of snow! see below)
    Gun:   Browning A-Bolt .270  150gr Nosler
    Range: 70yds +-
    
     Well, I finally scored this year. We drove out to my friend's farm on
    Friday night in the storm.  The normally 7 hour trip took us 13 hours.
    The whole way we were questioning our sanity.  On Saturday morning the
    storm was pretty much over.  This was the last day of buck season so we 
    all went out.  The snow was between two to three feet deep with drifts 
    that were up to five feet.  Unbelievable conditions.  Just getting to a 
    stand was an adventure.  I saw one deer in the morning and two in the 
    afternoon.  I was amazed that they were moving at all.  The snow was
    too deep for us to move and and try and push them. Everyone who went out 
    Saturday saw deer, but no bucks.  Monday was the opening of "Doe-Days".
    This from what people tell me is usually the second busiest day of the 
    season next to opening day.  I had been warned that it would sound like 
    a war zone!  I decided to sit on the back side of a ridge that
    overlooked a nice flat that funneled in between two fields.  On Sunday
    I had seen alot of beds and tracks in the area.  The shooting Monday
    morning was not nearly as "busy" as I expected. I think that the snow kept
    alot of guys who normally get antsie and walk around from doing so. 
    Around 9:30 a skipper and a decent doe came walkin through.  They were
    definitely nervous.  I had picked a good lane to take her in but she
    started to run before she hit it.  I managed to dump her when she hit
    a second opening on the flat.  She was heart shot but she got her final
    revenge by running another 50yds _straight down hill before folding.
    The drag was the worst of my life.  Total distance was mayby 1/4 mile
    to where we were staying, but it was all up hill in 30" of snow. I'm
    suprised they didn't have to drag me out too!  We ended up with three
    does for 4 hunters.  The best part was my buddies 13 yr old son shot
    his first deer.
    
    Jeff

    TYPE:	WHITETAIL DOE
    WEIGHT:	DIDN'T WEIGH, EST. 90LBS
    DATE:	THIS MORNING
    TIME:	08:00 AM
    WHERE:	KY
    GUN:	50CAL FLINTLOCK
    RANGE:	45-50YARDS
    
    
    I SETUP AGAINST A BLOWDOWN AT THE EDGE OF THE FIELD BEFORE DAYLIGHT AND
    GOT THE OLD 50CAL READY.  ABOUT 07:30 A BIG DOE CUTS ACROSS THE FIELD
    ABOUT 30 YARDS FROM ME BUT IT WAS STILL TOO DARK TO SHOOT.  TIME PASSED
    AND I HEARD DEER COMING DOWN THE POINT OF WOODS ACROSS FROM ME.  I KNEW
    WHERE THEY WERE GOING TO COME OUT, SO I SWUNG THE RIFLE INTO POSITION
    (YES, THE RIFLE IS ALMOST AS TALL AS I AM).  A DOE EMERGED ABOUT 50
    YARDS FROM ME AND STARTED FEEDING ON ACORNS.  I DECIDED LAST WEEK TO GO
    AHEAD AND SHOOT A DOE AND GET IT OVER WITH SO I COCKED THE HAMMER BACK
    AND TOOK AIM.  WHEN I PULLED THE TRIGGER I SAW SPARKS BUT NO FLASH OR
    BOOM!  THE DOE LOOKED AT ME AND JUST STOOD THERE.  I COCKED THE HAMMER
    BACK AGAIN, TOOK AIM AND TRIED IT AGAIN.  FLASH, BOOM, AND DOWN FOR
    THE COUNT.  THE ROUNDBALL BROKE HER SPINE.  AT THE SHOT 2 OTHER DOES
    TOOK OFF THAT WERE JUST INSIDE THE WOODS.
    
    I AM PRETTY SURE THAT MOST OF THE POWDER FELL OUT OF THE FLASHPAN WHILE
    I HAD IT LEANED OVER ON MY LEG.  OH WELL, THAT'S WHAT MAKES IT FUN!
    
    WESS

    Hey wess,
    
    did you call in sick today, take a vacation, or tfso'd?
    
    I hope it's not the latter one.
    
    bob
    

    
    
       Well dont ask me how it happened but I applied for and recieved 2 
    tags for doe season in Pa this year.. me excited nahh........
    
    #1
      type: whitetail doe
      weight: little under 170 (weighed on a scale) a darn bog momma
      date:12-14-92
      time:2:00 pm 
      where: parker twp. PA.
      how: see below
      gun: winchester model 70 lght weight 30-06  150 gr silver tip
      travelled: 3.5 feet sideways through the air
      shot distance: 80 yrds kneeling on 1 knee
      drag 1 mile ====4.5 hours the worste to date!!!
    
    #2
     type: whittail doe
     weight: 154 lbs also weighed on a scale
     date: 12-16-92
     time: 7:25 am
     where: parker twp.  PA.
     how:see below
     gun: win. model 70 30-06 15 gr. silver tip
     travelled: a long ways
     shot 150-160 yrds  of hand, she was laying down
     
    
      Well the trip down was unreal, I havent seen that much snow in pa in
    almost 10 years. but monday morning we set till noon and I saw 1 deer,
    so my stepdad asked where I wanted to go for the afternoon so I said to
    the old sawmill cause I want to shoot a deer. he kinda laughed and said
    well now your awfull cocky aintcha, well 2 hours later he was looking
    at the biggest doe he has seen in 50 + years of hunting!
      
        we left the truck and I asked him where he wanted to go, he said
    well right over there looks good, he couldnt go very well in the snow,
    so I start out through the stripmine watching the pines, well I get
    clear out to the end and I catch an ear flickering, drop down to one
    knee, guns ready, wait there are 2 deer there one is smaller so I
    figure a buck and a doe, the wait is on then she takes a step out with
    her head and neck behind a pine tree, darn it I dont want to shoot for
    the front shoulder but I dont have any choice. the winchester roars and 
    I get up off my butt and the other deer is running out through the
    strip mines. 
      I walk down and all I can see is the rear end of the deer I shot and
    it looked 2 feet wide, well it felt like my heart was in my throat
    because I figured an @ss that big had to be a buck, so I grab its hind
    legs and pull it out of the snowbank and its as bald as any doe I ever
    saw! the head on this deer was phenominal almost 15 inches from her
    ears to the tip of her nose, 6.5 inches between her ears and a circum
    of almost 18 inches, and she had no molars, and her front teeth are a
    quarter inch long. then the drag began, the worste ever.
    
      Tuesday I only saw 2 deer, we hunted a different area.
    
     wednessday morning we awoke to drizzels and fog, so I was again asked
    where I wanted to hunt, my answer was the old saw mill cause I want
    another deer.
      Well my step dad dropped me off and I walked out through the strip
    mine looking down over the high walls for deer, then there she was
    bedded down by a pine tree. I shoulder the gun, take aim and the gun
    roars, she jumps up and runs up the hill, I shoot again well there were 
    deer flying outa there all over the place. so I walk out to where they
    went out across the old dump and the snow is crimson red.
      she went down one highwall and out across a flat well when I finally 
    got to the next highwall one deer went straight up over but mine went
    around it, I looked up and there she was going at an angle up the hill
    I had about a split second to shoot and she stumbled at the crack of
    the rifle, but kept going. for the next 4 hours she stayed 1 step ahead
    of me, then I caught her going up the side of a mountain and I was in
    the bottom and I knew if I shot her then there was no way to get her
    out the hill was almost straight up.
      After I got up on top she went out over the ridge and I caught her in
    the open and I leaned off a tree and figured the distance to be about 
    200 yards and touched off the shot just as she turned to run and I saw
    her crumble to the ground. the chase was finally over. the first shot
    went above the lungs and below the spine such a little space but I
    managed to hit it, the second and third shot never touched her from
    what I can tell now till I skin them down to butcher this weekend.
    
     I guess you could call it kinda still hunting but not really it was
    more along the lines of walking them up, I love the challange of seeing
    them before they see me, and I only lost the challang tuesday on the 2
    I saw they had me pegged dead to rights and all I saw was 2 big white 
    flags going through the woods.
    
        My stepdad didnt score he missed one wed evening running, and that 
    deer ought to be counting its blessings cause he doesnt miss very often
    I think this was the first miss in 8 years! he was mad, the deer saw
    him before he saw her, he said well thats what happens when you get
    older.  this was the best hunt I have ever been on, I hated to come
    home. but I am headed back to Pa for christmas so I get to do some
    small game hunting.
    
                                               happy holidays
    
                                                             Lee
    

    
    re .365
    
    > gun: win. model 70 30-06 15 gr. silver tip
    > travelled: a long ways
    
    Gee Lee, use a bigger bullet next time and maybe it won't go so far :-)
    
    --Bob
    

    
    
    re: my last note, sorry for all the typo's, its hard to type when your 
    arms are 6 inches longer than they were a week ago, and when your whole
    body aches. 
    
     re: last- 15 gr bullets are great hard to control but boy are they
    fast ((8* 
    
                                                             Lee
    

    re: .364
    Bob,
    
    I took 1/2 day vacation, glad to see you're still around.
    
    
    
    Lee,
    You sure know how to make someone feel like they shot bambi don't you.
    Way to go on those mammoth does!
    
    Now for some rabbits, quail, grouse, and kissing my wife's butt.
    Wess

    Whitetail doe, 101 pounds field dressed, opening day of Mass. 
    black powder season (yesterday ;-) ) 
    
    My partner and I were in a new area, where we've fished before 
    but had never previously hunted. I had walked a couple miles, 
    trying to push one towards him. I came back to the old road
    we were parked on, uncapped the gun, put it in back of the truck,
    and peeled off a coupel shirts. A few minutes later, I was having
    a cold drink and a cigar, when a deer stepped out in the small field 
    we were parked by. I snuck around the truck, capped the gun, and
    shot as the deer started back towards the woods. I thought I missed,
    but noteced she was staggering, then lay down. Hurried up and
    reloaded, walked up and finished her off. Short drag, and downhill!
    
    This was the third time in the past two years I've been back at
    the truck after a hunt, and had deer come by. I think I'm going to
    stay out of the woods!
    
    Dana

THAT TIME OF YEAR AGAIN BOYS!!!  GOOD LUCK TO ALL!!!

Here's the 1992 statistics broken down... enjoy and get psyched!

total deer:	40
total mulies:	5
total bear:	1
total elk:	5

==========================================
ARCHERY		TOTAL ANIMALS TAKEN:	12	

2 ELK
1 MULIE
5 DOES
2 BUTTON BUCKS
1 4PT
1 7PT

==========================================
MUZZLELOADER:	TOTAL ANIMALS TAKEN:	 6

1 ELK
4 DOES
1 BUTTON BUCK

==========================================
SHOTGUN:	TOTAL ANIMALS TAKEN:	10

4 DOES
2 SPIKES
1 3PT
2 6PT
1 9PT

==========================================
RIFLE		TOTAL ANIMALS TAKEN:	25

1 BEAR
1 MOOSE
3 ELK
4 MULIES
5 DOES
1 BUTTON BUCK
2 SPIKES
1 4PT
2 7PT
4 8PT
1 9PT



GOOD LUCK IN 93!

    type: 	Black Bear  (boar)
    weight:	220 lbs
    date:	9/7/93 (my anniversary)
    time:	5:30 pm
    where:	Dead River,Me
    weapon:	TC contender 45/70, 300 gr. hollow point handloads
    
    comments:	This is the best year ever for me. Spent three evenings on 
    		my bait and saw 14 bear
    
    		1st evening - 
    				Sow ( very large, much bigger than the one
    				     I shot) with two cubs 
    				Sow with cub and a yearling tagging along
    
    		2nd evening -
    				Sow with triplets
    				Boar ( about 150lbs.decided to wait for
    					larger bear)
    		
    		3rd evening -
    				Two bears came in together one about 140lbs
    					the other about 125 lbs. 
    				Boar came in and drove these two off.
    					decided this one was good enough
    					15 yard shot, took out both lungs
    					and top of heart. Bear travelled 
    					70-80 yards after shot. It took 
    					about five seconds for it to run
    					that far and it was over
    
    SURE DID BEAT GOING OUT FOR DINNER FOR OUR ANNIVERSAY, MY WIFE WAS
    ALSO HUNTING, SHE HAS SEEN FOUR BEAR SO FAR. 

    Gary,
    
    Nice job Gary see if you can put Jake on to one this year, I never tried
    Bear meat yet.
    
    
    Mike Gallo DOO 

    Geez, 80 yds in five seconds!  Hopefully that was 80 yds closer to the
    truck, and not away from it.  Congrats.
    
    Bob
    

      Type:  Black Bear
    weight:  205lb (dressed)
    date:    9/16/93
    time:    6:00 pm
    where:   Middleton N.S.
    weapon:  Browning A-Bolt .270  140 grn  Trophy Bonded Bear Claw
    

    type:    whitetail doe
    weight:  80-90lbs (guesstimate, dressed)
    date:    9/24/93
    time:    6:30 pm
    where:   Middleton NH
    weapon:  Martin Lynx XRG, Browning 125gr 3 blade broadhead

    How far did it travel before expiring?  Congrats
    
    Bob
    

    type:    Cow Elk
    weight:  ~600 Lbs
    date:    9/23/93
    time:    8:00 am
    where:   Colorado - Area 49
    weapon:  Golden Eagle - 78 Lbs - Thunderhead 125gr 3 blade broadhead

[EOB]

      First off....congrats, DonMac, nothing like getting your first. I just
    did last year; first deer, first buck, and first bowkill...all at one
    time. But at any rate....I was in the exact same tree Saturday morning.
    
         Type:  Whitetail doe (91 1/2 lbs.) 
        Where:  Barrington, NH
          Bow:  Golden Eagle Trophy Hunter
        Arrow:  Easton XX75, 2216, 32" w/ Thunderhead 125gr. 3-blade  
       Method:  SITTING in my Loc-on treestand, about 20' up
    Travelled:  5-10 yds.
        Yield:  56 lbs. of steaks, roasts, ribs, chops, and burger
         Date:  Saturday, 9-25, about 8:30 am
    
    
      Well, for this being my third year out with the bow, I feel pretty
    good. Tagged out last year and this year. I saw this doe come by
    earlier, out of range, but a half hour or so later, she came in on my
    right. She crossed in front of me about ten yds. out, looked up at me,
    but then continued on. As she stepped behind a tree, I drew and put on
    her as she came out. She looked up at me and stopped, so I adjusted
    slightly for the sharp downward angle and released. Thwack....right
    into shoulder. I didn't realize that I had penetrated all the way to
    spine. She fell right over and started working her front legs and
    dragging herself away. I knocked another arrow and waited for a clear
    shot. Ended up going into the middle of the back, angling into lungs.
    She never moved again. That's two deer in a row out of the same tree.
    (last year and this year) Only about ten yds. apart. I think I may
    just use this tree again. 8-)
    
                                           Good luck folks,
    
                                                           Eric
    
                               { aka:  >>>---------->  Water Moccasin }
    
    

    
    
    Eric,
    
      Well congrats dude, you guys are lucky up there getting an early
    season, I am chomping at the bit in 116.5 hours I will be in old
    reliable waiting for my chance! 
    
         I guess you like the Golden Eagle bow now? I can still see you
    flinging aluminum in my back yard when we first got the bow set up, at
    least now you can wreck your own arrows 8((*
    
       Well anyways congrats again, there arent many people who get two in
    a row in NH with the bow, now you can try with the gun.
    
                                                      Good hunting to all
    
                                                            Lee
    
       The countdown has begun!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    
    

    
    
     Congrats guys on your early harvest. Geeezz Eric, whom am I going to 
    swap stories with on monday mornings now;')?? 
    
    
    Gus_who_had_a_close_incounter_of_the_deer_kind_saturday_night >>------->
    
    

    
    re:    How far did it travel before expiring?  Congrats
   
    I'd say maybe 100yds.
    
    Thanks guys and Eric, congrats to you as well!
    
    -don mac

      Thanks, Don. I was wondering....were you on the ground or up in a
    tree? You didn't give us much of a story.
    
      And Gus, don't worry buddy, I'll still be out there on the weekends,
    except I'll be shooting with a camera instead. As well as scouting for
    muzzleloader and rifle season. So we'll still have plenty to talk about
    on Mondays. Plus there's gotta be some game I can try to take with the
    bow out there. Just have to check what's legal.....grouse, turkey,
    rabbit......something. 
    
                                                        Eric

    re: were you on the ground or up in a tree? You didn't give us much 
        of a story.
    
    yea, i know, sory bout that, busy busy...
    
    I was up in a tree, on the amacker climber I picked up a month or so 
    ago. This was my 2nd time using this stand, works pretty well.  
    
    I saw 3 does the weekend before last as well (while on my ladder stand)
    but couldn't get a shot off.
    
    I hear ya on the "Vermont anyone??" comment, thought crossed my mind as
    well.  But I think I'll be do the wife a favor and get back to work on
    re-finishing the basement...until muzzleloader opens anyway 8^)
    
    -donmac
    

    Well, I took off opening day and arrived in my portable stand about
    1hour before light.  About 10 minutes before I could see good a coyote
    went right under me.  About 7:30, 3 bucks jumped the fence about 50
    yards down from me.  They fed on the acorns for about 10 minutes,
    before they left in a hurry.  
    
    I came back about 2:30 and moved my stand down about 10 yards where
    they had jumped that morning.  The wind was blowing right toward where
    they would come from, so I put the stand up to about 15-18ft.  I took
    all of the necessary precautions, so I just hoped they wouldn't smell 
    me.  About 7:00pm I heard one coming so I stood up slowly and got
    ready.  He jumped the fence right below me and looked straight up.  I
    froze and he proceeded to walk behind me.  I moved around the tree
    drawing my bow at the same time.  About the time I got to full draw he
    popped in an opening and I put it through his lungs.  He took off like
    I had missed.  I got down and looked for a blood trail.  There wasn't
    any.  He had ran across a big pasture, so I headed for a fence row.  I
    snuck up on him where he was bedded, him and another nice buck.  I
    eased within 20 yards and drew my bow.  He was alert and looking for me
    everywhere.  All I could see was about 8 inches of his neck and his
    head.  I put the pin on his neck and sent the arrow on it's way.  It
    hit him right in the neck and he only ran about 10 yards before
    folding.  
    
    Buck, 160-170lbs est.  9pointer with a 17inch spread.   All of his
    tines were decent lengh with one brow tine about 7 inches.
    
    Not bad for opening day, especially for me!
    
    Good luck,
    Wess

    Drove all the way up to western Michigan's U.P.  about 550 miles.  but
    it was worth it.  We had 60 square miles of wilderness to ourselves. 
    That's right not one other archer seen in four days of what forest
    roads are still open.  The U.S. forest service is closing all logging
    trails into the interior. (about time).  I hunt the Paint Springs area
    which feeds about four lakes and is 10mi by 6mi of uninterupted
    wilderness.
    
    I took my 14 year old.  This is his third season with a bow and he is
    rapidly outgrowing the Darton scout.  We shimmed the limbs this year
    and put in the longest draw cam.  Got it up to 217fps with a 335gr
    Beman carbon shaft.  It pulls 44 and shoots 42.  He can hit 2" bulls
    repeatably at 18yds.  So we went for it.  
    
    Day #1:  high winds in the AM. Not a thing spotted.  Very cold, about
    28deg F.  Warms to a roasty 34deg in the afternoon.  We hit the evening
    stands about 3pm ( a little too early but we're pumped).  George gets a
    real chill and ducks back to the car about 4:30.  Warms up and returns
    to the tree about 5pm.  Good thing.  At 5:30 in comes three deer led by
    a massive doe.  This matriarch gets a whiff of George.  The wind is
    still gusting up and very unstable.  They crash off about sixty yards
    and then nose to the air mill around and stomp the ground.  They went
    due east and got out of the scent stream.  So they come back in. 
    George is shaking in his boots, in his stand, and all over.  he has to
    go to part draw just to keep the arrow from rattling on the rest.  He
    was, at one point so frustrated with his body's reaction to the moment,
    he was ready to yell out load.
    
    The matriarch get to 15yrds and then noses the ground.  She is directly
    facing George's tree, but he cannot wait any longer.  He draws and
    fires, driving the light shaft to the fletching, just missing the spine
    on the right about 12" behind the shoulder.  The big doe does a 180 and
    splits in high gear.  We could not find her that night, but put on a
    grid search the next day that located her about 250yd away in the
    densest cover you could imagine.  She tipped my scale at 140Lb field
    dressed, or about 180-190 on the hoof.  A typical big northern
    whitetail in her prime.
    
    /bob
     

    Congrats to both you guys.  Nice doe, Bob.  Wess, you pig!  Got your
    voicemail, only after not seeing a thing this weekend.  Highlight of my
    hunting  was having one blow at me for 10 minutes.
    Oh well, I'll hunt the mountains next weekend.  Good hunting to both
    you successful hunters.
    
    Bob
    

    type:    Pronghorn Antelope Buck
    weight:  ~100 lbs
    horn length:  13.5 inches (both horns)
    date:    10/2/93
    time:    6:00 P.M.
    where:   Colorado - ~60 miles east of Colorado Springs
    weapon:  .270 Winchester - Remington 700 BDL - Tasco 3x9 scope
    load:    55 gr. 4831 - 150 gr. Speer Grand Slam
    distance:  ~200 yds.

First of all, many thanks to Gordon for taking me on my first ever
antelope hunt.  

As I said, this was my first crack at antelope, so I wasn't sure quite
what to expect.  Now I know.  The rule is, if you don't get one in the
first hour of the season, your chances go down astronomically with
each passing hour.  During that first hour, they haven't yet figured out
that you're hunting them, and will stand there at a nice, easy distance
and let you shoot.  After that, it's tough.

I missed a couple early, and then didn't get another makeable shot until
late in the day.  Fortunately, I made that one.

Antelope hunting is neat.  You see them all day long, even the bucks 
(and we did see some nice ones).  The only problem is getting in
range.  If you can consistenly make 500-600 yard shots, then you're
in fat city.  Otherwise, it's tough.  We would spot them half a mile
or so away.  If we were lucky, we could crawl up a rise and get within
a few hundred yards.  More often that not, though, we couldn't get
within 500 yards.

You guys who hunt the heavy cover ought to give this a shot.  It's a
totally different hunting experience, and one you're bound to enjoy.

Jerry

    type:    Pronghorn Antelope Buck
    weight:  ~100 lbs
    horn length:  12 inches, but it did have real nice prongs (if that counts)
    date:    10/2/93
    time:    9:30 AM
    where:   Colorado - ~70 miles east of Colorado Springs
    weapon:  .300 Weatherby Magmun - Weatherby Mark V - Leupold 2.5x8 scope
    load:    77 gr. 4831 - 200 gr. Barnes 'X' 3050 fps
    distance:  ~100 yds.

	I know this is bit much gun for antelope, but this is the first game 
taken with this rifle and I really wanted to get it 'broken in'.

	The shot was through the lungs, perfectly broadside.  The entrance hole 
was .308 and the exist hole was 2.5 inches, after hitting a rib on the far side.
The buck did not fall, but rather trotted about 60 yards before going down.

	I also put my partners buck down at 250 yards with a chest shot while
he was trying catch up to it after his first shot through the hind legs with 
his 7mm mag.  Needless to say, he lost a little meat on his buck.

	We filled 5 of 6 tags in our group the first two days; three of those 
were before 10:00 opening morning.

	Jim Pedersen

    type:    Pronghorn Antelope Buck
    weight:  ~100 lbs
    horn length:  10 1/2 inches
    date:    10/2/93
    time:    7:15 AM
    where:   Colorado - ~60 miles east of Colorado Springs
    weapon:  .270 Win
    load:    150 SPBT
    distance:  ~200 yds, head shot while he was looking at me

 All of 'em are ~100 lbs. You sure you all didn't bag the same 'lope? :-)

Kinda embarassed putting in this one , but hey, the smaller ones are harder
to hit... ;^)

What:	whitetail Button Buck
Weight: 70 lbs
Where:	Woodstock, VT
When: Oct 2nd, 4:20 pm
Method: Hang-on Lite Treestand 20-25' up
Weapon: Golden Eagle Formula 3D 78lbs, Thunderhead 125, xx75 2317 Superlight
Distance: 20 yards
Arrow placement: spine/lungs
Traveled: 10-15 yards


Had this deer come in under my stand at 4:00 all by itself, never saw the 
deers head at any point before shooting. it finally hit an opening where i 
had a decent kill shot.  all I could see of this deer was it's chest/back, as it
had it's nose to the ground going thru the slashings that i had just hunkered 
thru to get to my stand. It was following my Bob Kirshners Trailmaker scent that
I had used on a drag rag.  With the leaves on the trees, visibility was at a 
minimum.  

The deer was a perfect quartering away shot, and the arrow enter high in the ribs
taking out the spine and the lungs before exiting. deer crashed for 10 yards and 
was dead within seconds.

    Don't be embarrassed.  I do know how you feel tho.  I got one of this
    class last year.  But what great venison!  Better than anything you
    ever tasted.  Sort of like venison veal.  Every bit was like
    tenderloin.  If I get a bonus tag for Bay De Noc, I'll think about
    doing that again.  More is not always better.
    
    /bob
    

What:	Whitetail Doe
Weight:	117 lbs
Where:	Woodstock, VT
When:	Oct 3rd, 5:45 PM
Method:	Trax ladder stand
Weapon:	Golden Eagle Formula 3D 78lbs, Thunderhead 125, XX75 2317 Superlight
Distance: 8-10 yards
Arrow Placement:  lungs/liver
Traveled:  30 yards

was sitting in this ladderstand tucked into a hemlock on the edge of a meadow
overlooking a wild appletree growing along the edge of the meadow 15 yards
directly in front of my stand.  It was breezy with intermittent drizzle.  Had 
a doe and her fawn enter the meadow behind the apple tree,  both turned directly 
toward me, and the smaller button buck fed right past my stand, 5 yards to my 
right.  The skipper bypassed the apple tree to feed on the clover and lush 
grasses, while the Doe preferred to feed on apples. 

As soon as the skipper fed past me, I stood up and waited on the Doe to feed into 
the opening on my side of the tree.  As i was waiting, I heard a 3rd deer come up 
thru the woods. I was hoping this would be a buck, but it turned out to be 
another doe.  This one appeared directly between me and the tree feeding in my 
direction.  I had the arrow almost at full draw, when she looked up.  I had to 
hold there for what seemed like an eternity. she put her head down and I 
completed the draw.  It was a front quartering shot, the arrow entered just 
behind the shoulder, taking out both lungs and the liver before exiting.  She
ran about 30 yards back into the woods, stopped, turned her head to look back,
and fell over.  expired within 10 seconds from the time of the hit.

What I find completly astonishing is that these deer know exactly which noises
are possible trouble.  Early on as the first 2 deer were just entering the
meadow and feeding, I tried to turn my body sideways and my boot hit a branch 
that was weaved into the ladder section.  Both deer immedietly turned and peered
for 1-2 minutes in my direction.  A few minutes later a few birds landed in my 
tree, making some noise above me, and they stopped feeding and peered again.
But they didn't bat an eyelash when the 3rd deer came crashing up thru the pine 
branches behind the apple tree.  amazing!

anyways, It was a great weekend... saw alot of deer and a few bucks, looking
good for rifle season.

Good luck to all.

    
    Gee Fra, Two deer in two days, and you are waiting for rifle season,
    let's not get greedy, leave some for the rest of us.
    
    --Bob
    

>>      <<< Note 270.390 by WAHOO::LEVESQUE "who's this kinky so-and-so?" >>>
>>
>> All of 'em are ~100 lbs. You sure you all didn't bag the same 'lope? :-)

Ah shoot, guys.  He's on to us. .;-)

Jerry

P.S.  Why aren't there any uncle-lopes?

    
    
       this is in the archery notes also for the whole story see it there
    
     type:whitetail doe
     where: clarion county pa
     when: 10-09-93
     weapon: goden eagle cam hunter 
     ammo : 32" XX75 tipped with 3 blade savora broadheads
     distance: 17 yrds
     travelled:28 yrds
     hit: both lungs
    
      Arrived at my spot knocked arrow looked at watch 7:02 am, at 7:05 it
    was all over! this deer must have followed me right to the spot, it
    came in the same way I did!!!
    
                                                   Lee
    

    
    
    Type:  Mule Buck - 3 pt
    Where:  Eastern Oregon, Umatilla Co.
    When:  10-3-93
    Weapon: 270 Weatherby
    Distance:  100 yds
    
    My son and I hunted over around the cabin as always.  Not many hunters
    this year due to a bad winter, but we were lucky enough to draw. 
    Didn"t see any on Sat., but Sun AM we spotted about five moving up
    through some young trees.  I thought at least one of them was a buck,
    so we circled around them.  My son went in where we last saw them and I
    just leaned against a tree on the edge of a clearing.  A little later I
    heard his gun go off and I thought he had one down.  About 10 mins.
    went by and over the ridge came a buck and a doe running flat out.  I
    got the buck high on the back.  A little further back and I would have
    made a mess out of his hindquarters.  I guess I didn"t lead him enough,
    but I still didn't ruin much meat. My son shot at a bigger buck, but
    missed.  He's getting tired of running animals to the old man, though!
    
    
    Ken

    White tail Buck
    107 lbs
    Potter County, PA
    Golden Eagle bow, set at 68Lbs
    
      Whole story is in the archery file.  

 Why not crosspost the story for those of us who don't read the archery file?

    How?

you have to use the EXTRACT command in the Archery notes
file to extract the file, then access the hunting notes file 
conference and include the file you created during the 
Archery extract command.  For example:

archery notes> extract "topic.reply" "name of file" <cr>

as an example, to exttract 270.400 the command at the 
conference prompt is:

notes> extract 270.400 successful_hunt.txt


Then, access the hunting notes conference, read note 270.400,
and then create a reply.  When you get to the notes editor
or your own personal editor if you chose to use one, simply
include the file in the edit window.  Using the windows interface, the Include files...
prompt is in the Edit pulldown.  There are corresponding commands
in the command line interface.

If you need help, just send me the file and 
I will post if for you, or give me a call (381-2558).

Hope this helps.

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Note 702.14                1993 OFFICIAL SUCCESS NOTE                   14 of 14
LEDS::AMBERSON                                       43 lines  14-OCT-1993 09:56
                              -< Another PA deer >-
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    Type:  3 pt
    WT    107lb
    Loc   Potter County
    shot(s)  see below
    bow   Golden eagle 
    time  10:am
    Distance travelled   500 yds
                                                 
      This was not what you would call a "classic" bow hunting experience.
    My buddy and I were hunting on his farm in PA.  We had just gotten off 
    our morning stands and I was going to drop him off at the equipment
    barn so he could get the tractor to move some round bales.  We were
    driving by what he calls the 24 acre field when we both spotted a buck 
    feeding in the far corner.  We decided to try to stalk him.  We managed
    to get with in about 35 yds by coming in from the woods side.  Took us
    about 20 minutes to get in position.  I took the shot.  A lousy shot it
    was! I hit him directly in the front leg about two inches below the
    shoulder. The deer turned and trotted (limped) towards where my buddy
    was.  He saw me hit the deer and knew it was a lousy hit.  So he took a
    shot and managed to hit it in the left ham.  The deer bolted.  We sat
    and made our battle plan.  I felt awful for blowing the first shot, but
    was thankful that Dave managed to get the second arrow into it after I
    wounded it.  We sat for about 30 minutes and then started tracking.  We
    didn't go 100 yds when we saw him bedded down.  The blood trail was
    excellent so we knew he was hurting.  I manged to circle up a head of
    him just before he winded Dave. He got up very shakily and
    trotted/wobbled past me at about 25 yds.  I managed to get another
    arrow into him, high in his back.  This time we waited a good 45
    minutes and picked up the trail again.  Again we found him bedded
    down.  This time I got close and put my third arrow through his heart.  
    Not a fun hunt to enter in here. In looking back at the hunt I have mixed 
    feelings.  I feel that we played it out fairly well.  The biggest mistake 
    made was me screwing up the first shot. Once he was wounded, we were 
    obligated to get him.  That meant putting more arrows into him.  Dave 
    was correct in taking the shot he had.   We would have waited longer 
    between the initial shots, but we didn't know how bad he was hurt and 
    we wanted to keep him bleeding.  Once i hit him with third shot we were 
    pretty confident that we would retrieve him. Several lessons on this for me.
    1. Practice, practice, practice,  need more range estimation
    2. Persistance pays off.
    3. Deer are tough!
    
    Jeff   

    Jeff,
    
    I know you didn't get a good hit, but congratulations are still in
    order.  I know a couple of guys who probably wouldn't have stayed with
    it as long as you did.
    
    I made a good shot on a nice buck one time and he went 400-500 yards. 
    I would have bet $100.00 he wouldn't have gone 50yards.  I pushed him
    too soon though and I didn't find him until the next morning...after
    the coyotes had fed on him all night.  I guess we live and learn.
    
    Wess

    I think the most important thing is, you stuck with it.  I commend you
    on completing the hunt.  Your actions were humane.  I hate it when
    people don't make the effort to retreive there game.
    
    Looks like the bowhunting is over for me for the year.  Next weekend is
    the opener of gun season, and I got to deliver a bunch of firewood this
    weekend.
    
    Good huntin,
    Bob
    

    I'm usually a big reader of this note but decided I'd input my success.
    
    What: 2-pt Muley or 2x2 for the folks in the east ;*)
    Weight: 140 lbs...I've never seen a two pt this big.
    Where: Okanogan Co. Northern Cascades, WA.
    What: 300 Savage
    
    Our modern firearm season just opened this past Saturday.  On sunday I
    was sitting up on this hill when 4 does came by.  My adrenaline was
    really pumping.  They were about 50 yds away and had no idea that I was
    there (First year I tried a scent killer - who knows if that was the
    key).  Well anyway, about 15 minutes after the does disapeared over the
    ridge I heard the buck coming over from the same direction that the
    does had come from.  Once the buck was in the open (about 75 yards) I
    took my shot.  Down he went with a nice hole through his lungs.  
    
    I have to admit this was the best shot I have ever taken at a buck.
    
    The really tough part was the 2 1/2 hours it took to get it down of the
    ridge.
    
    I'm glad were taking horses when we go for the elk.
    
    BTW:  Congrats on everyones successes this year.  We had a hard winter
    kill last year so the hunting really is not as good as it could be.
    
    Steve                                                

    Whitetail Buck
    14 points (non-typical)
    Green scored at 157 points
    neck 25 inches
    Ruger M77 (7mm mag.)
    October 30, 1993
    
    The story:
    
    Earl, his son, and myself were heading down to Monticello for the
    weekend.  It was doe day weekend.  The rain was coming down in buckets
    Friday night.  We got the pop up trailer set up, and got dry.  A drink
    of Crown and Coke set us back for the evening.
         The alarm had gone off at 5:30 a.m. only to be awakened to the
    continuous sound of downpour rain.  Back to sleep.  At about 8 am, the
    rain subsided.  I had the itch to get to my stand.  I got to my stand
    at about 9 am, for I hunt the back of the property.  The logging road
    to the back of the property was a mud bog.  I did a little rattling,
    and nothing happened.
         At 10:00, I rattled again.  I put the rattling bag down.  I heard
    a sound off to my left about 35 yards, in the middle of some real thick
    pine stand.  I caught glimpse of a flickering whitetail.  When I
    spotted the head, I saw MASSIVE Main beam.  Oh my god!  I put the rifle
    up and looked through the scope.  Through the thicket, all I could see
    was main beam, points, and neck.  He was making a rub.  He was complete
    with his rub, and was ready to head off AWAY from me.  I had to take a
    shot through the thicket.
    
    BOOM!  The adrenelin had reached an alltime high.  I was now sweating
    in windy, cold conditions.  My heart was beating like a rabbit.  I did
    not know if I had hit him or not, since I had to shoot a good twenty
    yards into the thicket.  God, the minutes seemed like hours, as I
    waited for the 15 minutes to go by.  I could not take it anymore.  I
    had to go see if my shot was true, or if it had been deflected.  I
    climbed down my stand, and chambered another round.  I walked
    cautiously to the area of my intended target.  At first, my heart sank,
    as I could not see the deer.  My eye caught the fresh rub that had been
    made, and then, there he was.  I got hot all over again.  I worked my
    way through the breyers, and came up to the deer.  He had expired.  My
    hands were shaking like a leaf on a tree.  He had 15 points, of which 
    14 were scorable.  This was truly the biggest buck of my life.  I set
    my rifle down, and said a thank you prayer.  After that, I cried for a
    minute.  Crying of appreciation and excitement.  I was really burning
    up now.  I had to take my thermal shirt off, so now I am just wearing a
    teeshirt.  
         Dragging the deer to the logging road was a real job, as it was
    all breyers and thicket.  The walk back to deer camp, to get the truck,
    took only minutes this time.  Earl, his son, and myself, drove the
    truck down through the mud bog with no problems, and picked up the
    deer.  We took it to the gutting tree and did exactly that.  After a
    cold beer to calm me down, and pictures and video, I put on a damn
    jacket.  IT WAS COLD!.  We loaded the deer onto the back of the truck,
    and headed for the cooler.
        When we got to the cooler, a bunch of hunters started looking at my
    buck, admiring it.  The chills went right through me.  I am always
    admiring someone elses buck, and today was my day.  They green scored
    it at 157 points.  Obviously it is getting mounted.  My wife is happy
    for me, and after watching the video, she is already saying, where are
    we going to hang it.
    
    Man, I got the goose bumps just writing this down. A sidenote.  About a
    week ago, I hung a battery operated Tinks dispenser near a scrape.  I
    also poured a couple of drops on the non active scrape.  Saturday
    morning, the non active scrape was now active.  Sunday morning, a NEW 
    scrape had been made directly under the tinks dispenser.  It even had a
    pile of scat in it.  TINKS works!  Anyway, long enough.  Pictures are
    being developed today.  What a hunting season this is turning out to
    be.  I got one buck tag left, and a 8 day trip this month to Eufala
    coming up.  That is the 2500 acre trophy land.
    
    Good luck everyone.
    
    Bob
    

    Buckmastersupreme!
    
    
    You stud, You dog, you big buck killing machine!
    
    Congrats on the deer!  Few people ever see deer that big, not to
    mention kill one!  I guess I have both feet in my mouth with the "Does
    Bob wear a dress" comment.  My chin is scraped up where my mouth fell
    open and hit the floor when I read you success story!
    
    I think I'm getting sick,
    Wess

    
    Congrats Bob, 
    
    Sounds like a great deer, too bad notes can't do image scans!!! then
    we could all see him.
    
    How much did it weigh??
    
    Bob (who's bummed to be at work, 9 days to go to NH opener and the
    news said 6-10 inches of snow last night where we hunt :-( )
    
    

    Congrats again Bob.
    
    Sat was your day.  I was proud to be a part of it.  Not only did you
    reach a plateau of hunting by taking a trophy of such high caliber but
    you did something not many people do, you bet the teacher.  
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    But the season is not over yet.
    
    
    
    Earl

    Thanks guys.  He weighed about 160-170 lbs., I think.  Pictures will
    be ready to pick up at lunch.  Wess, I am sending you a couple.  Soon
    as the photo album comes back down south, I need to ammend my page.
    
    BTW, the gut pile wasn't even in the woods an hour before it was
    almost completely devoured by the buzzards.  Those things can just
    clean up a mess.
    
    Bob
    

	Bob,

		Congrats on such a fine deer. Make sure you wander by my
	office this afternoon so that I can see the pictures. 

		Sounds like you may have to remodel the livingroom
	and put in a cathedral ceiling just so the rack doesn't
	punch a hole in your current ceiling.

		Way to go,

		Red

    Wow!  Nice deer.  
    
    Jeff

     
    Another Congrats to ya..
    
    Gus

How wide is the spread?

Jerry

    Bob,
    
    I read in the paper where non typical 14 pointer was stolen from Stone
    Mountain animal park.  The deer was named "tippy" and was estimated to
    score 157 green.  It was reported missing on Saturday...the same day
    you shot yours?   The only clue the authorities have was a post-it
    lying on the ground that said "Only 62 days until the end of Deer
    season".  The suspect was described to be 6ft 3in tall with a bottle of
    Crown Royal in one hand, a grunt tube in his mouth and a weird look on
    his face.  One witness even said he thought the suspect was wearing a
    camo dress.....
    
    
    Congrats,
    Wess
    
      

    The inside spread was 14".  The mainbeams were 19.25" each.  I spoke
    with the taxidermist last night.  He said it will be done by Christmas.
    He came out of the woods early when he heard he had the 14 pointer to
    do.  They aged the deer at 3.5 years old.  I can only imagine what that
    deer would look like if it made it to 5.5 years old.  Earl wrote down 
    the measurements when it was being measured, I was in a daze, so I
    don't have all the numbers.  I will get it dry scored in February, at
    the Fisharama.
         As a sidenote, my wife is now showing some interest in going in
    the woods with me while I hunt.  She does not want to hunt (yet).  This
    is great news.  She just wants to watch.  It is great that she shows
    interest.
    
    Bob
    

	What:       Mule Deer Buck
	Points:     Symmetrical 4X4 Plus Matching Brow Tines
	Spread:     28"
	Weight:     ~275
	Weapon:     Weatherby Mark V
	Caliber:    .300 Weatherby Mag
	Load:       200 gr Barnes X Handloads @3050 fps
	Traveled:   60 Yards
	Time:       Nov. 8, Opening Morning of Third Season
	Conditions: Clear, Cold (7 degrees back in town) 10" of Fresh Snow

	It took an hour (twice what we planned) to get to the top of the ridge
we intended to hunt.  It was already 30 minutes into the season and I was 400
yards from where I had wanted to be.  I headed off into the timber to circle a
large meadow and had only traveled several hundred yards when I spotted a small
doe.  I eased up next to a pine tree and used my binoculars to check for other
deer.  I noticed movement off to my right and saw what looked like a Hereford
bull walking behind some scrub oak.  Needless to say my heart and adrenalin
were off to the races. When I got a clear look at his rack in the first rays of
morning light my knees almost gave out.  I could see other deer moving in
timber below him, but I didn't really give much thought to looking them over. 
He was taking forever to work his way up to where I could see him again.  It
took what seemed like hours (~10 minutes) for him to feed up past the oak brush
to where I could get a shot.  I kept expecting the wind change, or another
hunter's shot to spook him or any of the other hundreds of thing that always
seem to go wrong, but this time things went my way.  I choked my first shot
(and I was so calm, NOT) and hit his right leg as he was walking towards me. 
He had no idea where the shot came from and ran towards me another 10 yards
before stopping and turning broadside.  My next shot was straight through both
lungs.  He ran another 50 yards and piled up.  The feeling I had walking up on
this magnificent creature was more than I can describe.  I knelt beside him and
sorted though all of my emotions before getting on with the work that comes
with hunt. 
	He goes to a taxidermist today for a full head mount so I can remember 
a very special mulie hunt. 
	Jim

	
	

    Jim,
    
    Wow!  It sure sounds like a hell of a deer!  Congratulations.
    
    Wess

    Jim,
    
    congrats on a true trophy.
    
    earl

    congrats on such a fine specimen.
    
    bobo
    

    What:     Whitetail Buck
    Points:   6 Nice high rack
    Weight:   157
    Age:      4.5!!!
    Weapon:   Remington 870
    Guage:    12
    WHere:    Prescott Peninsula, Quabbin Resevoir
    When:     11/8
    Time:     7:30
    
      We were lucky enough to draw a permit for the Quabbin hunt this year.
    Because we drew the Prescott peninsula area, we were not allowed to
    scout the area ahead of time.  This is the only time durring the year
    that they allow non-MDC people in the Prescott.  This area is
    beautiful!   We had spent alot of time before hand going over topo maps
    of the area trying to figure out where we wanted to be come first
    light.  We finally settled on an area about 3/4 mile off a road where
    two nice ridges created a choke point.  They opened the gates at 5:00am
    Monday morning.  The hunt administrators were very well organized. 
    They had thought of most everything.  We were one of the first trucks
    in line, so we had no trouble getting to "our spot".  The area we were
    hunting is triangle shaped and is bordered by dirt roads.  We were
    hoping that if we got to "the spot", that everyone else would end up
    pushing deer our way.  We didn't hear many shots till about 7:00, then 
    allhell broke loose.  Shots were ringing out all over the place.  I was 
    watching one area where there was a line of smaller pines that came
    down off one ridge onto a flat.  At 7:30 this buck came sneaking
    through, constantly looking behind him. At 60 yds he got real nervous
    and started to twitch his tail.  At that point I decided to take him as
    I thought he was going to bolt.  First shot hit him between the shoulder 
    blades.  Second shot was insurance.  Took me two hours to drag him out
    and get him to the check out station.  He was the fourth deer checked
    in.  Weighed in at 157.  The biologist said he was 4.5 years old!  Said
    that if the area were not so over browsed that he would have easily
    topped 200.  Got my second tag and went back out.  See next entry 8*)
    
    Jeff

    What:   Whitetail doe
    Weight: 112
    Age:    2.5
    Weapon: Remington 870
    Guage:  12
    Where:  Prescott Peninsula, Quabbin Res.
    When:   11/8
    Time:   2:00pm
    
    
      After checking in my first deer they issued me my second tag. 
    Prescott Peninsula is the only place in the state that you can kill
    two deer in one day legally.  I went back to "the spot" hoping that 
    I might get lucky again.  I was leaning against a stonewall over looking 
    the same band of pines when I heard something behind me. When I turned 
    there was a doe walking less then 20 yds away up the hillside.  Since
    I had been kind of resting (sleeping) my gun was on the ground 
    next to me.  I tired to slowly roll over and pick it up when she caught 
    my movement.  The only thing that saved me was that I was leaning
    against the wall which shielded me from most of her view.  She wasn't
    real sure of herself and just turned and started walking away.  I
    managed to get the gun up and pop her at about 40 yds on a quartering 
    away shot.  The shot entered just in front of the right ham and ended
    up in the left shoulder.  She dropped in her tracks.  
      First day of the hunt at Prescott had a total of 83 deer taken for
    the 350 hunters.  Four hunters managed to take two deer each.  As of 
    yesterday at 2:00pm, around 25 deer had been checked in.  I had a great
    time and would do it again in a heartbeat!
    
    Jeff
    
    Jeff
       

	Jeff,

		Congratulations twice on the Quabbin hunt. Did you
	or any other hunters encounter any ANTI problems when entering
	or exiting ? I'm originally from Mass. and used to hunt in
	the Quabbin area, and know that the ANTI's can be a real bunch
	of a@@&o%$#.

	Red now in Georgia

	Jeff,

	Congrats on the double.

	Jim

    
    
      Jeff,
    
    
       congrats on the double take.
    
                                                 Lee
    

Jeff,

Congrats!!!  I'm heading to hardwick for their first segment...  I too have been
scouring over my topo maps trying to find the best looking funnel or saddle to be
at first light.

How'd your partner do?

glad to hear that it was a success!

Fra

    Jeff,
    
    You have my blood pumping now!  Sounds like a great day.  Those old
    pumpkin' balls do the job.
    
    Wess

    To all,
    
     Thanks for the congrats.  No protestors were seen!  Talked with one
    of the Staties yesterday and he said all was quiet.
    
    Fra, give me a call @841-6002 and I can give you more details.
    
    Jeff
    
      

    Congrats on the double harvest.  We know where the cookout is gonna be.
    Hot damn!  Well, Earl's dad spotted a bigger buck than my 15 pointer
    down in middle Georgia, so I am going Saturday morning, to see if I can
    spot it.
    
    Hoop!  Deer he is!
    
    bb

    Definitely a big congrats to ya , I'm jealous;')...

    Gus

What:   Whitetail doe
Weight: 87
Age:	1.5
Weapon: Browning A-Bolt
Cal:	257 Roberts with 115gr Nosler Partition hand load
Where:	Francistown NH
When:	11/10
Time:	7:15AM

I went in at day break heading for a scrape line I had jumped a few deer at
previous Saturday during muzzle loader season.  I got within 50 yards of my
spot and a deer snorted at me and stomped off.  It was still pretty dark and
I couldn't see the deer.  I decided it was a tad too much activity near where
I wanted to go so I went further in to a place that has a few intersecting
runs with a nice little hill to sit on and watch all around.

About 6:45 I heard a deer off my to my right.  I was listening to this deer make
all kinds of noise then it went quiet.  I then heard something walking straight
in front of me.  At about 75 yards a saw a deer walking on a ridge behind an
old pine log.  All I it stoped there and all I could see was it's back from the
front sholder to the rump.  It was broadside to me and was heading into some
very thick brush so I decided to take the shot.

When I shot the deer bounded off and was circling back around to the right
towards the swamp I first heard the deer in.  I went over to where the deer
was to see if I could find any blood.  All I found was a tuft of fur.  I went
maybe 30 yards back and forth in the direction I watched her take off in and
found nothing.   I then went down to the swamp and started a back and forth
search up the hill.  I finally found her at 8AM about 80 yards up the hill
from where I shot her.  The bullet went in just above the right sholder and
passed clean through.  There must have been massive shock and internal bleeding
but hardly any external bleading.  I backed tracked her from where I found
her and there was only a few drops tappering off to nothing after about 10
yards.

    Good job on finding that deer.  it still amazes me how wome deer will
    leave a great blood trail and others will only bleed internally.  I'd
    bet that the fact you hit her high in the shoulder had alot to do with
    the lack of blood.  
    
    Jeff

this is for another employee.  Barry Santos

Witetail Doe  114 lbs
11-10-93  7:00 AM
.308 Win Browning BAR
70 Yds
Hooksett, NH

Fra

Shot this one opening morning In Vermont.  I got to my stand over looking a nice
hardwood ridge, where I've shot deer in the past.  I got to my stand about 5:45 AM
after jumping 3 deer in the dark while getting out of the truck.  As I was clearing 
the leaves from around the base of the tree, a deer started blowing just over the 
ridge outa sight no more than 50 yards or so away... I pulled out my grunt tube and 
started grunting... he blew back, and i grunted again... this went on for 1/2 an hour
till a fisher cat came scurrying down the hill.  The deer hightailed it out of there.
Never did see what it was...  after the deer left I put on my coat, hat and gloves,
sat down and got ready to wait out the morning stand.  the time was now 6:15.

For those of you who didn't hunt in VT on Saturday, it was really cold, clear and 
there was absolutely no wind to speak of.  Temperature when I left the camp at 5:30
was 24 degrees.  The leaves were like cornflakes and anything moving around could be 
heard well before they were in sight.

At 6:45, i heard a deer coming down the hill behind me and to my right, angling down 
the hill towards me.  I turned around and knelt down facing up the hill using the 
tree as cover and a rest.  at 120 yards out i saw that she was a doe, she was heading
down the hill, crossed in front of me about 50 yards out, and entered into a little 
patch of pines to my right.  She stopped to my immediate right exactly 20 yards out.
I never put the gun down, it was still pointing up hill as I watched her looking over
her shoulder back up the hill. Sure enough here comes another deer, I can hear it 
coming down the hill.  I catch the deer coming down and glass it, about 90 yards out
I see bone, put the crosshairs on his neck and squeeze.  Booom!!! down he goes.  The
doe now runs right out of the pines directly in front of me and heads down thru the 
hardwoods.

I walked up the hill, put another round into his chest to finish him off... I hate to 
see an animal suffer.  The first shot broke his neck.  Finished field dressing him,
and was sitting down having a coffee and sandwich at 7:15.  Quick season!!  I wish the
BTO boys (Kevin R. Rob W. and Dave R.) were here to see this one...

What:		Whitetail 8 pointer (16" inside spread)
Weight/Age:	150 lbs, 2 1/2 years
Where:		S. Woodstock, VT
When:		Nov 13, 6:45 AM
Weapon:		Remington 700 Custom Bolt
Caliber:	What else... :^)  .270 WIN

Who said that VT deer have boney little racks? ;^)

	Gongrats Fra.  Nice Buck.

	Jim

	Congrats Fra.

	Red - Who misses Vermont deer season

    Congrats Fra.
    
    Too bad the season is over so soon.
    
    Red, you got plenty of time to kill a couple of deer.
    
    Earl

    
    Congrats Fra !!!!
    
    
       Sounds like you may have to start looking to rent another freezer
    with tags in N.H. and Mass gun season just around the corner.
    
    
                                                     Guy
    

    
    Another congrats to ya Fra!

    
    
      congrats on the hat trick in vt. ,  now good luck in the NH and Mass
    season.  your notes sure make a person wanna tag along on a vt. hunt.
    
    
                                                    Lee
    

Actually i'm kinda glad I whacked one early... I needed a break... I went out
every morning before work for 12 days straight in mass, and put in 4-5 good days 
in NH.  The last 3 days, i've done nothing else but push deer for the rest of the 
guys.  Was kinda hoping i'd see a coyote or two...  the other guys were seeing them
pretty regular.

Now I can concentrate on NH archery till the MA opener.  Tonight i'm skinning it up
for the butcher.

Good luck to all,  Fra

PS, BTW, theres a woman here looking for a couple of hides so she can send em out to
be tanned... if any of you guys would be so kind as to have your butcher save the hide
for me i'd appreciate it.  Thanks in advance

    Congrats from bob to you FRA.  What does FRA stand for?
    Red, Earl said you got plenty of time to bag your deer.  I agree. 
    However, you got to get in the woods.  You haven't spent that much
    time in the stand.  You got to get in the woods pal!
    Pack your truck, kiss your wife goodbye, and head on down to Hancock
    county for your hunting pleasure.
    
    Bob
    

    
    re .441, saving the hide
    
    What ever you NH guys do, don't throw the hide away!, This year
    there is a "hides for habitat" program going on. Basically you
    donate you hide to one of the collection centers, they then collect
    em all up and sell it, the money is used to help the wildlife habitat.
    so if you were just gonna toss it, check with the butcher maybe he
    donates them, if not, take it and donate it yourself.
    
    --Bob
    

    Guys,
    
    Sounds like you all are knocking them down!  Some nice deer at that.
    Congrats and keep up the good work.
    
    Hey Harris,  
    What county are you guys going too?  That name kind of pegs you doesn't
    it?
    
    Good Luck,
    Wess

    		I thought this was the "success" note?
    
                         

Chuck, if you get a minute... ;^)

and maybe copy over the entrys from the 93 success note into here...  pretty
please... it makes it easier to compile all the deer shot at the end of the 
season if their all listed here...  

Thanks, Fra

What:		Whitetail 9 pointer (17" approx inside spread)
Weight: 	140 lbs approx 
WHere:		New Ipswich, NH
When:		Nov 19, 7:00 AM
Weapon:		Golden Eagle Formula 3D @78lbs, 2317 XX75, Thunderhead 125
Distance: 	30 yds
Kill zone:	heart, broadside

3 does came in this morning angling to my right, buck came in to my left.  He
stopped at 30 yards out. I shot, he ran 40-50 yards and dropped within seconds.
while I was sitting there giving it the 20 minute wait, another buck came in.  At
first I thought it may have been the same deer as he was walking stiff legged...  
This deer had a much nicer rack than the first, but i'm not sure how many points.
looked to be a nice tined 8 pointer, much more mass than the first.  

He wandered outa range as I was watching him, then the 3 does milled around under 
my stand for about a half hour before they walked away.

Fra

    Fra,
    
    Damn!  
    
    Congrats on the numerous kills this year.
    
    I think "Fra" stands for "Kill the sh!t out of them".
    
    Wess

    
    
     Fra,
    
    
        What type of freezer are you using to hold all this venison??
      My god there boy, you seem to have another success story in here
      every other day.  Congrats on the 93 successes. 
    
      Can you use a hunting partner???  Ha ha.  Conrgrats again!!
    
      Lance
    

Wess, i'm still laughing my ass off here...  

Fra

Fra,

	Congrats " AGAIN ". Are you out of permits yet ? Tine ti invest
	in a walk-in cooler ;-)


	Red

    
    
      Congrats Fra,  ya know its nice to see that some people shoot deer
    with a bow an arrow during the gun season! 
    
                                            Lee
    

    
    Fra,
    
           Once again Congrats !!!!!!!!
    
    
           My hats off to you, I'm sure this season will never be forgotten
    and it still isn't over for you!!!!!!!
    
                                                         Guy

It's definately been a memorable one, I can tell you that!!!  

Happy Thanksgiving!!

Fra

    
    Type of deer:      Whitetail Buck
    # of points :      10
    weight:            180
    date:              11/22/93
    time:              7:05 a.m.
    location:          Atkinson, N.H.
    style:             ground-stand
    firearm:           Remingtom-1100 12ga
    Ammo:              the new sabot
    distance:          65 yds
    
    
    All I could see was the entire neck and head...it was now or never...
    one shot to the neck....buck traveled 60 yds........................
    
    Now i can sleep in the mornings!!!!!!!!!!!11
    
    Rick
    
    

You Pappalardo Brothers never cease to amaze me... you always seem to be 
into some nice bucks!! ;^)

Congrats,  how was the drag...

Fra

    
    Type: Whitetail Buck
    Points: 4
    Weight: 125 lbs. Dressed
    Date: 11/20/93
    Time: 4:32 p.m. (Last Day of Season with 15 minutes to spare)
    Weapon: High Country Sniper Bow @78 lbs., Easton XX75 2213 (Full Length),
            Thunderhead 100 grain, Scott Release Aid.
    Hunting Style: Loggy Bayou Tree Stand, @18 feet up, Bleat Call &
                   Grunt Tube
    Shot Distance: 20 Yards
    Travel Distance: 20-30 Yards (Pass Through Shot taking the Heart)
    Location: Haverhill, Mass.
    
            On saturday I harvested my first deer with a bow. At 3:15 while
    sitting in my stand I notice movement about 100 yards in front of me
    moving from left to right. I picked up my binoculars and could see a doe
    feeding. I decided to try and lure her to me with my bleat call. The 
    response was instant. I could see her stop and look in my direction, she
    raised her tail and flipped it side to side a couple of times then
    lowered it half way and then all the way down. I watched her movements
    for about 5 minutes before loosing her in all the trees.
    
            Almost an hour later I noticed movement again in front of me at
    100 yards moving from right to left this time. I pull out my binoculars
    but can't find the deer. I tried the bleat call and the deer moved out 
    from behind a tree.  As I was watching her movement I noticed another
    deer coming towards her this one being a lot lighter in color and very
    reddish. As the second deer got closer to the first she ran away from
    the approaching deer. As I was sitting there trying to figure out what
    was going on I noticed the lighter colored deer was chasing the doe with
    it's nose to the ground and that's when I got a glimpse of an antler.
    This buck chased the doe around the woods in front of me for over 15
    minutes. I tired numerious times to try and lure them up to me with my
    bleat call and grunt tube without any response.
    
           Finally it looked like the doe had enough of the buck and was
    going to cross into the section of woods where my tree stand is located.
    She came to the edge of an old logging road and stopped. I tried to
    entice her across the road with my bleat call but she just stayed there.
    Meanwhile the buck decided to cross so I kept blowing the call and he 
    started to head in my direction. I changed over to the grunt tube and he
    was intent on finding this other buck invading his territory. As he came
    into my 20 yard marker I drew back and held. He was directly facing me
    and I can remember saying to myself, "Now just turn broadside". Well 
    that's exactly what he did. I placed my pin just behind his shoulder and
    touched off the release. I heard the arrow hit and make that hollow
    sound. He spun 180 degrees liked someone had just slapped him on the ass.
    He then started to run down the hill with his tail down. He only got
    about 20 yards before he fell and tried to get up twice but couldn't.
    And that's where he stayed until I got there.
    
    
                                                         Guy

    
    "THIS IS FOR JIM RAINVILLE WHO WORKS HERE IN MKO" HE ASKED ME TO ENTER
    THIS FOR HIM..........RICK
    
    Type:             Whitetail Buck
    # of pts:         6 with 17 inch spread
    weight:           227 dressed
    aged at:          4.5 years
    shot:          270 yards across open field
    time:          4:30PM
    Place:         Peachem, VT
    
    The shot hit the deer directly on the front-shoulder, and he ran about
    15 to 20 yds, hit a tree and piled up. This was the biggest deer
    checked in at the St-Johnbury VT...checking station...as of 8pm
    of the Vermont opener....
    
    Congrats Jim!!!!!
    
    

    Congrats Rick and Guy. Way to go on your first bow kill Guy.
    
    Gus 

I work with Jims sister jane, she was telling me about it this AM...

Fra

    
    
      TYPE: WHITETAIL BUCK
      PTS:  7
      SPREAD: 15 1/2"
      HEIGHT: 12 3/4"
      WEIGHT: 172 LBS
      SHOT: #1 25 YRDS
            #2 35 YRDS
            #3 HIT MAPLE TREE!
      TRAVELED: 70 YRDS
      SHOT WITH: MOSSBURGH SLUGGUN 12 GA  2 3/4" BRENEKE MAG SLUGS
    
      The first day of NY season was yesterday, I awoke at 4 am, and left
    camp, the area I was gonna hunt was 1 hour closer if I left from my
    camp in pa than from homr in ny.
    
      I arrived into the area and was pleasantly suprised to see noone on
    my side of the mountain, I get my hunting atire on and depart down over
    the side of the mountain. after I arrive at my spot I realised I had
    forgot my warm gloves and chew, well I set till 8 am and heard numerous 
    shots but none too close, so I decided to walk back up to the truck
    before the 9:30 rush.
    
      as I walk up the mountain I see that a doe and skipper had walked
    across my tracks in the snow, so I decided that if they were gonna
    cross the upper bench I would set up there, so I got back down to the
    upper bench at 8:30, cleared a spot and stood for about 1/2 hr before 
    my knees said you better set down or you will fall down(I couldnt
    inherite $$ it has to be bad knees) 
    
     So I am setting against a huge beechnut tree, watching up the hill and
    the thick pines to my left, I look off to the right and instinct tells
    me to look to my left as I turn my head I see a massive sized deer
    walking from my left to right then when he gets directly in front of me
    he turns and starts walking towards me.
    
     As he is walking down the hill I pick up the gun and he finally steps
    out into the open at 50 yards and the rack is IMEDIATLY noticable! wow
    hey he's not bad, so he is just strolling down the hill to me so I will
    let him walk as close as he wants too he finally stopped at 25 yards
    and he had his neck straight out.
    
      I was looking through the scope and I couldnt shoot becuse his rack
    was covering the vitals and I said to myself if you drop your head or 
    pick it up and I will let you have it, he dropped his head and the gun
    fired and I see him drop onto his butt with his front feet off the
    ground, and I wanna tell ya when them front feet hit the ground he was 
    up and running at full speed so I pump another shell in and draw a bead 
    and touch off the second shot I see him go sideways straighten out and
    keep running, then I knew I had to hurry my shot because I was gonna be
    skylineing soon, so I shot the third time and I saw a 3" maple tree
    fall over.
    
      He then stopped so I reach in my pocket and pull out the box of
    shells and open it get 1 shell out drop it into the magazine as 
    quietly as possible as I am watching him I see him kinda sway then
    fall over, I said a wuiet thank you and picked up my vest put that on 
    and picked up my back pack and put that on and walked over to where 
    he layed. There was a small amount of excitement as I looked over the 
    rack and size of the deer so I opened the chamber on the gun leaned it
    against a tree and grabbed his horns to turn him around for the feild
    dressing chores and I imediatly realised that this deer definatly out
    weighed me because I couldnt move him up hill at all.
    
     So I tied his head to a tree and then pulled his back legs around so I 
    could field dress him. after the dressing was done I tagged him then
    the work started 3 hours later I was finally at the road, I backed the
    truck up the road, and to think that the hard work was the drag up to
    the road NOT it took me a half hour to get him into the truck! if there 
    was ever a time I wished the truck wasnt so high yesterday was the day.
    
      The wife was pretty happy with it and it didnt take long for the word
    to spread through the little town I live in, there were a bunch of guys
    stopping last night.
    
      There was 8 of us hunting the area down there and we all scored
    before 1 pm and all were bucks!
       ED-spike, chester-spike, steve-spike, john- 5 pt, darrin-7 pt,
       fly- 8pt, jeff 8 pt with a 20" inside spread! now thats a wopper
    
    
                                   now for Pa buck season oooohhhhhyaaaa
    
                                                        Lee
    
    

I'm telling ya... i'm getting antsy sitting here this week and seeing all these
success notes and not being able to get out there. Monday can't get here fast 
enough.

Congrats to ya Lee!!  How manys that now?? 3?

Were gonna have to start calling you Hoover... cause your just cleaning out them 
there woods son... ;^)

Need a PA partner... ;^)

Fra

    	Come on Fra, give me a break. Your hands must be tired from 
    putting your own Successes in the Archery notes. Antsy, please.
    Good luck buddy,
    				
    			Butch

Butchy, never to tired for that... ;^)

Good Luck to all!!!

Fra

    All right Lee!!!!!!!
    Big Bucks and King Salmon, you musta 
    done something right in a previous life   :*)
    
    Gone huntin
    Gaff

    
    Type of deer = buck
    (# of Points)= 4
    Weight       = 123lbs
    Time and date of kill = 0640AM  11/10/93
    State/Town   = Kingston NH
    Firearm used(cal. bullet weight) = Remington 1100 Brenneke 1oz.slug
    Hunting style = ground stand

 Had been on stand less than 1 minute. Still getting settled in when buck 
walked towards me and stopped at about 30 - 40 yards out.

 Nailed him in the neck. Slug broke neck and stopped at junction of shoulder 
and backbone breaking backbone as well.

 Dropped like he was hit by lightning. :-)
    
 

    Guys,
    
    Congrats on all of the deer so far!  I'm headed out Monday and Tuesday
    for "Shotgun Season" in Ohio, hopefully I'll have another to put in
    here.
    
    Lay em' down!
    Wess

    
    re .473
    
    >              <<< Note 270.473 by 40107::TOWLE "Corky" >>>
    >                            -< Small buck >-
    
    Not only does he fix them, but he knows how to shoot things other
    than paper :-)
    
    re Fra and Lee,
    
    Hope you guys have big freezers! If you need some spare cold space, 
    just yell, I promise not to eat it (ya right).
    
    anyway, do ducks count in this note? Second season opened in NH 
    today, got 3, my first limit ever on ducks!
    
    --Bob
    

    9 pointer
    main beams 20 inches
    G1 tines are 10 inches
    G2 tines are 9.75 inches
    inside spread was 14.5 inches
    outside spread was 17 inches
    good mass, real nice tall rack.
    
    The story
    
    I got to deer camp monday afternoon, real tired.  I was in Vegas all
    weekend with no sleep.  I unloaded the truck, and Earl and Lamar came
    in from the woods.  All the scrapes they had seen, had gone dead.  I
    had an idea of where to put my stand, in a bottleneck area of some
    woods, in a hollow, between two cotton fields.  I went down to the
    hollow, and spotted a FRESH scrape.  I put my climber on top of the
    ridge looking down.
    
    Next morning.  Got to my stand at 7 am.  At 9:06, he came down the
    other side of the hollow, and proceeded to go straight to the scrape.
    He sniffed it.  Soon as he started to walk, I shot him at the opening I
    had selected.  He bolted 15 yards and crashed into a pine thicket and
    expired.  The shot was right in the heart.
    
    Well, two heads for the taxidermist, and unless I want to shoot does,
    hunting season is over, as I have filled my two buck tags.  Good
    hunting everyone.
    
    Bob
    

    
>    Well, two heads for the taxidermist, and unless I want to shoot does,
>    hunting season is over, as I have filled my two buck tags.  Good
>    hunting everyone.
    
>    Bob
 

	Bob,

		Congrats again. Time to start finishing off the basement for
	the heads.

	Fra, looks like you have some competition ;-)

	Red   

    Now when I read the notes files on HUNTING and ARCHERY I will believe
    you guys.  Great hunting and congrats to you all.  Nice going Guy
    on your first deer with a bow.  I got my one shot at a fat (not fat
    enough) doe and missed.  
    Keep the excellent hunting stories coming, they are really exciting
    and enjoyable.  
    Red, you could not hit any deer in Vermont when you were here HA HA.
    
    Congrats again to you all,
    I think the food inspectors will check Fra freezers, they think he
    might be running a restaurant!
    Don
    

With one weekend left, if anyone could give me some advice on hunting in the 
Milford NH area that would increase my chances of success (like where are
the damned things hiding!) I would be happy to post a suscess note here :-)

Actually, I've had a very successful season even though I haven't scored.
Just being out and enjoying the woods is success enough for me.

Doug.

 Ditto, Doug. Family committments have kept me out of the woods most of the
season. I can get out on Sunday, but the place where I normally hunt is
barren; there's simply too much heavy cover available and there's no way
to get at them because they are hunkered down well before dawn. And you can't
drive 'em; they're too smart. They won't leave the cover unless you step on 'em.

 All the stupid ones are already dead. :-(

What:	Whitetail Doe
When:	Nov 30, 11:00 AM
Where:	Hardwick, Quabbin
Weapon:	Shotgun Mossberg 500, 12 GA, Slug
Distance:	40 yards Quartering, 
Shot:		1 liver/lungs, ran 20 yards

Monday:

I was picked for the first 2 day segment in Hardwick... got to the gate at 4:00
AM... 3rd in line  gate opened at 5:00.  175 hunters in 3 zones in Hardwick.
Got to my stand at 6:00 AM after a 40 minute walk in.  at 6:30 2 does walked by
in a little gully to my left...  Seeing as the place hadn't been hunted in 50+
years I had already decided to hold out for a nice buck...  about 7:00 AM the 
place opened up... NEVER in all my years of hunting have I heard so many shots.
It was like a war zone...  didn't see another deer till 11:00...  did manage to 
see 7 hunters walking around, one of which walked by me 4 times, I finally yelled 
at him to either sit down or walk around somewhere else... i whistled at him every
time he walked by, and he still came back... i was getting pi$$ed.

My partner dropped a doe at 10:00 AM... I met him at 11:00 and we sat there and 
had lunch. Here's a sampling of what it was like all day:

were sitting there eating lunch on a rock outcropping overlooking about a 300 
yard wide strip between 2 ridges, 5 deer run across to our left, over the ridge,
boom boom boom... 4 deer come racing back past us, and head over the ridge to 
our right... boom boom boom...  3 deer come back and so on till they were all 
shot... this was what it was like all day...  at 11:00 my buddy starts draggin his
deer out, so I headed back to my stand... At 12:30 I hear a snort over the gully
and 2 deer come crashing out in front of me, a doe and a small 4 pointer... Their
heading in my direction and are about 200 yards out... After seeing what the 
morning was like I gave up on taking a decent racked deer.  I have the gun up and
have them scoped just waiting for them to get in range, boom boom boom... A guy 
off to my left in front of me in the pines drops the buck in front of me.  The doe
takes off and heads over the ridge...  yup you guessed it... toast...

saw: 11 deer, shot: nut'n

Number of deer checked monday as of 5:00 67, 10 bucks/60 antlerless  largest 150#
10 pointer, the rest were small spikes, forkies and a 6 pointer.  Of the 67 deer
checked in, 38 of them were taken within a 500 yard circle of where I was sitting
in the morning.

Tuesday:

Headed to a different area Tuesday... less guys, closer towards the MDC boundry.
8:30 AM see a deer crusing by about 200 yards out, boom!! a guy in fron of me
and to my right nails it...  talked to him on him way out... decided to move over
to where he was sitting...  11:30 i'm having lunch, sitting down with a cookie in
my left hand, and the radio in my other, gun is leaning on the tree.  I look to my 
left and there's a doe looking right at me about 20 yards out... never heard her.
thes 2 more deer with her just over a little rise. she's giving me the head down 
to feed quick snap up for a look...  this went on for about 2 minutes I never 
moved except to drop the cookie and very slowly shut off the radio as the squelch
was turned up a little too high.  she finally turned, so I ditched the radio and 
drew on her left handed, but she was just out of sight cause of the little rise, 
I knelt and turned, but they were still not showing any vitals, so I stood up 
slowly and drew on them, but they started to bolt.  One stopped about 40 yards 
out quartering broadside.  nailed her...

While i'm dressing her out I catch movement down the hill and see a deer poking 
along, my binocs are not handy nor is my gun/scope...  There's a guy just down 
the hill from me and this deer's heading on a collision course... boom !!! 

As of 3:00 PM Tuesday 26 deer were checked in.  1 Buck (73 lb 2 1/2 yr old 
forkhorn) 25 antlerless

So ended my Quabbin experience...  You'd have to see the place for yourselves, 
desimated is the only words I could think of to describe the forest.  Every
hemlock look like it had been trimmed to about 7' up with hedge clippers. No 
new growth to be seen anywhere...  just incredible.

Fra

                       MY FIRST BUCK!!!!
    
    place  Plum Island, MA
    date   Nov. 30
    time   7:30 am
    gun    12 guage Rem 1100
    ammo   Federal 1 1/4 oz slug
    deer   4 pt dressed @ 142lbs
    dist   35 yds
    
    	If I had been in the woods on time, I wouldn't have shot this deer.
    I set my alarm for 3:30 PM !!!  Needless to say I was a little late. I
    got up 5:03 and realized I was in deep %&*#. The officers stop letting
    hunters in at 5:45. Good thing I packed the truck the night before, I
    drove in my long johns. Well all the spots I scouted had been taken and 
    I had to park about a mile from where I wanted.  I just got dressed and 
    started walking down the road. It was 5mins to legal shooting so I just 
    entered the woods.  I was very suprised to see a fresh scrape about
    25yds off the road. I thought set up camp about 85 yds from the scrape
    on the other side of a big puddle.
    
    	Legal shooting came and went with no shots, I was thinking they
    must have slaughtered the herd on Monday. By then the urge to go #2
    was keeping me from standing still (I didn't have time before I left
    the house).  Added to the fact that I was in a last minute, panic
    stricken, hurry-up and get in the woods you fool stand, I decided to 
    relieve myself about 50yds behind me.
    
    	I felt sooooooo much better, and as it got brighter I could see the 
    sapplings around me hacked to all hell. Well this isn't as bad a spot
    as I thought. That thought lasted about 15mins. I could only see 50yds
    in some directions, the others 15yds. The grove where I saw the scrape
    was about 25yds away and I could only see 15yds of it. Then I hear a 
    deer bleat.  Its about 100yds behind me. I hear it again, approx the
    same distance, but more north. Then again, but more south this time. I 
    never heard that in the woods before, cool, at least I can say I heard
    a deer. Then I hear something in front of me, not one of those woods
    sounds either, this is something. I see a patch of white in the grove
    where the scrape was. Then I see deer, quartering towards the part of
    the grove I can shoot at. I see  an antler, bring the gun up, off goes 
    the safety, find the deer in scope, position the cross hairs,,,,,,,,,,,
    WABAMMM.
    
    	The buck leaps in the air, bounding like someone kicked him in the
    ass, 1 jump ,,2 jumps,,,3 jumps,,,,and he's gone. #%!@&#^(&$?~"   I
    MISSED.  I put another slug in and wait 15mins. After 3 mins I walk to
    where the deer was.  I  don't know how anybody could possibly wait that
    long!!!!!   I follow the path of the slug, expecting to see a broken
    branch, snapped sappling,  something that deflected the shot. All I
    find is blood,,,,everywhere.  I  think I wet myself at that moment!!!
    
    	The buck ran about 65yds before dying. The shot went right where I
    aimed, blew the top half of his heart off on its way through. The
    officers at the check station were thanking me for helping with their
    herd management. I said anytime.
    
    
    jim
    
    

    
    re .482
    
    See, all them books about getting up early, heck with em, go in by
    the seat of your pants and you are all set :-)
    
    re .481
    
    Geez Fra, you just keep rolling along, how big is that freezer anyway?
    
    I thought they were suppose to assign quabin hunters each a zone,
    sounds like you were in a place with no assignments?  Also, just 
    curious, what's the radio for, dial into work or something :-)
    
    --Bob
    

Bob,

I think the reason that I saw so many hunters is because I was on a nice ridge
which was the border between 2 zones, and there was a couple of nice funnels 
there also, with revines and gullys... not to mention that it was in the heart
of the whole hardwick zone.

There were 3 zones with 175 hunters total.  zone A and C had the resorvior for 
their westerly border and were relatively narrow... Zone B was large and was the
easterly border of the other 2.  Hence you had guys coming up the hill from the
entry road which bordered the water for A & C, putting on a morning drive for the 
guys in zone B. Unfortunately everyone had the same idea as me.  There were other 
more remote areas of zone b, which bordered the MDC boundry but everyone must 
have figured they wanted to hunt the heart of the place instead of the outskirts.

You should have seen the cars lined up to hunt the MDC boundry on the public side
... there had to be 100 hunters standing in the road near gate 45 waiting to enter
the fire break hoping the permit hunters would push deer out of the quabbin.

It was definately an experience... Very well run, but I wouldn't pass up the
opportunity for a deer elsewhere just cause I was a permit holder. 

Fra

Type:   Whitetail Buck
Points: 8
Weight: Est. 150+ 
Gun: Winchester 12 gauge model 1300 Slug Hunter, 
Remington Slugger 2 3/4", 1oz

I had two guys walk in on me at 6:30 am they went about 75 yards 
in front of me and sat down. Of course they had to break branches for 
the next 15 minutes so they could have good shooting lanes. Anyway come
7:30 I saw a hawk and a fisher. 8 a.m. rolls around and I hear crunching.
I look around and the first thing I saw were the antlers. I brought up
the gun and couldnt find him in my scope, took three times to find
him. If he had kept walking I dont think I would have got a shot off. But
he stopped broadside at about 40 yards. he was looking away from me
with the wind from him to me. I shot and saw him hunch up then he
was gone. He disappeared so quick and quietly I figured he dropped
in his tracks. When I got to where he was there was very little blood
and no hair. I at first thought it was a poor shot. I was using a 
new gun and not entirely used to it. SO I followed his tracks for
50 yards or so and found more blood then at about 75 yards I found
a piece of lung he coughed up then around 100 yards there he was piled
up under a tree. My shot hit high in the chest so all the bleeding
had been internal. The blood I saw in his tracks had been blood he
was coughing up as he ran so there wasnt much of it. Anyway I managed
to get him to a road and asked a guy with a truck for a ride to my
vehicle, when we got there there were about 10 guys there taking a break
and all asking where I got him. Like I was gonna tell them the truth!
My father and I skinned and butchered him and he does taste real good!

A couple observations on my part:
The rem slugger did a great job. They grouped nice at the range and went
right where i aimed. it left a neat hole going in and a neat hole going
    out. I didn't lose any meat.

Dont give up on a poor blood trail. I almost did and never would have
collected him if i did. Like I said, he mostly bled internally.

Get in your stand before everyone else enters the woods. I was in my stand
at 5:30 am, didnt see another sole till 6:30 and waved them off. If they
got there before me they may have gotten him instead.

never give up. If you have confidence in a stand stay there. I almost
went to my other stand when those two guys showed up but I liked
where i was and was determined to stay.

So I have one more tag to fill and may head out saturday morning. it
depends on if I'm still sore or not 8')

Walt

    Sounds like it was a nice buck.  congrats.
    
    bob
    

    Walt,
    
    Nice job on the tracking. What a feeling when you see blood!!!!!
    congrats.
    
    And who cares if you tell them where, he's not there anymore!!!
    
    jim
    

    Congrats Walt ole buddy ole pal.......Now if I don't get one this year
    I'll never hear the end of it;')

was this on opening day???

town???  or is that too specific a question to ask??? ;^)

Fra

    
    It was 8 a.m. on opening day in MA. I was 20 yards from the stand
    I used last year to shoot a spike so it seems I may be in a productive
    area. I was on/near the Rutland/Barre town line. (Thats all I'll say 8')
   
    I go in this area with a simple game plan. get in before everyone else and
    get in deep enough so they push the deer to you. Patterning deer is
    nice but on opening day in MA everything changes.I only saw two guys
    while I was on my stand but saw 10-12 at noon time where I parked. It
    seems they had been pushing different areas. Who knows maybe they some
    how pushed this deer to me. I forgot to mention that when I got home
    my wife was outside with our 20 month old son who started jumping
    up and down yelling DEER, DEER, DEER, when I pulled up in the drive.
    I think I'm gonna have some competition one day 8')
    
    Gus don't worry as long as you have a freind like me, and a boat to
    take US striper fishing, I'll supply you with some meat. Besides
    your wife asked me not to lay it on to thick. She said something
    about whimpers in the dark or some such.
    
    Walt

	Type of Deer: Buck
	# of Points:  6
	Weight:       122 lbs
	Time and date: 9:30 AM Dec 1
	Town:          Egremont, MA
	Firearm:       Rem. 870 w/ scope
	Hunting Style: Warming a rock


After two very uneventful days of seeing NOTHING in my favorite spot.  I decided 
to move to another town and location that a local had told me about.  One of the 
great things of going into a spot you have never been before is navigating swamps
in the dark!

The morning was going OK, a large flock of turkeys provided scenary and amusement
for about an hour before I heard something coming from my left.  I stood up and
looked to my left and out comes the buck from some pines, looking at me as he
heads my way.  This is when time stands still as he trys to make me move by 
stomping the ground, or looking one way and then another.  About this point I'm
going crazy trying not to move (or shake), waiting for him to move on.  He finally
turns to walk down the ridge and when his head went behind a tree I raised my
gun and waited for his chest to clear the tree.  One shot, through both lungs
with no damage to the front shoulders.  He ran about 50 yds down hit to a nice 
area that became the beginning of a one and half hour drag through the same
swamps that I found on my way in.  But it was worth it!

When I got back to the motel a guy was driving in with a 200 lb 10 pointer.  What
a big deer!

Ray
  

	Type of Deer:  Mule Deer Buck
	# of Points:   9 (4 point western count)
	Weight:        ~200 lbs.
	Time and date: 11:30 a.m. December 18, 1993
	Town:          Ft. Carson, Co.
	Firearm:       Rem. 700 BDL, .270 Winchester, 150 gr. Speer
		       Grand Slams
	Hunting Style: Kind of hard to say


As I was saying in note 1324.67, I was on my way back to my hunting
area when I met another hunter.  We stopped to talk, and he asked
me what I was hunting (he only had an elk permit).  I told him
buck deer, and he told me that he knew where a good 4 point was,
and offered to take me to it.  And, it was in the area I had just
left, so I was allowed to hunt there (there are over 50 units
available for hunting at Ft. Carson, and you can only hunt 5
at a time).

So, I parked my Jeep, grabbed my rifle and ammo, and off we went.
Not 200 yards from where I had parked earlier that morning was a
4 pt. buck, seemingly unconcerned.  I got to about 50 yards of 
him and took a shot.  He ran, but I knew that I had hit him.
It took us about 5 minutes to find him, piled up dead in the
bottom of a small ravine.  My shot had gone right through the
ribs, taking out both lungs.  I don't know how he managed to run
at all, but he did.

So thus ended one of the strangest days of hunting I've ever experienced.
I ended up with a good buck, although it wasn't really the trophy
that I had wanted.  He only had an 18 inch spread, but the
antlers are fairly heavy.  And his horns will look nice hanging
on a wall.  I had really planned to hold out for a big one, so
I'm a bit disappointed with the way things worked out.  On the
other hand, I have a nice buck, and there's not a thing wrong with
that.

Jerry

    congrats on that buck.  What a way to bring in the holidays.  Was it
    rudolph?  How tall was the rack?  Venison on the Christmas table, eh?
    
    Merry Christmas everyone.  
    
    Bob
    

>>       <<< Note 270.493 by ODIXIE::RHARRIS "Bill Clinton=Mama's Boy!" >>>
>>                             -< nice buck! >-

>>    rudolph?  How tall was the rack?  Venison on the Christmas table, eh?
    
The rack is about 17 inches high.  I won't have it back from the
butcher until after New Year's.  I was skinning it in my garage,
and a small neighbor boy did ask if it was a reindeer.  But it
didn't have a shiney nose.

Jerry

    
    
            GOOD LUCK to ALL in the 1994 season ........
    
    
    
                                              Guy

    should be fun. our foursome (my dad, brother, brother-in-law and i)
    have seven tags to fill the second week of november. 5 mulies and 2
    white tail. this is for where i grew up, extreme NW south dakota. LOTS
    of deer around this year.
    
    oh. i've an elk license for the 1st week of november. that's in west
    central CO. tis gonna be a fun hunting season.
    
    gene

    
    Well 1994 Archery season has Begun!!   
    
    
    4X4 Mule Deer Buck 
    17" wide  16"high, Full Velvet
    210 lbs
    Hoyt USA Spectra Fast Flite, 68#'s
    XX75 Superlite CamoHunter 2213  27"
    Rampart Range, Colorado 
    Aug 27th, Opening Morning  7:00am
    
    
    	I have always wanted to fill my tag on opening morning, 
    although I never thought that it would happen this year.  He was not 
    A monster by mule deer standards, but he is the biggest one that I have 
    taken.....So far.   The Whole Story is posted in the Acrhery Note
    752.2.  
    
    
    	Well I still have an Elk tag to fill.....
    
    Good Luck Everybody!!
    
    
    
    						Frank Vega
    
    

    
    
    Sorry that should be note 751.1 
    
    	Sorry about that 
    
    
    							Fv
    

    Good job Frank.
    
    
    Wess

                      -< nothing like sinking an arrow! >-
      
         Type: whitetail doe
         weight: 126
         where : good ole Pennsy
         distance: 5 yrds
         travelled: 28 yrds
    
         EQUIP. Golden Eagle Cam Hunter @62lb 32" 2514 xx75 superlite
    savora broadhead, real tree all purpose camo, loggy cheap seat stand.
    
       I went to camp after work friday, saw probably 60-70 deer on the way
    there, saw the biggest buck I ever saw in the mountains just south of
    kane as he was wanting to cross the road, big deer with massive
    antlers.
    
        Saturday morning I was up and movin around before the alarm went
    off at 5:30, took a shower with scent shield soap, painted up my face
    and departed for the same stand I was in monday. got there at 6:26, got 
    everything situated and sat there waiting for the woods to lighten up.
      at about 6:57 I hear John Conner pull out of conner road with his
    tractor trailer he's heading my way, as I set there listening to him
    run up through the gears I think to myself ok he should just about be
    at the grapevine bend as I hear the air calipers engage and hear him
    grabbin lower gears, ok the deer are on the road heading my way. I
    stood up for about 10 minutes nothing showeed ok they probably jumped
    back up in the field, I set down and at 7:10 I see a deer materialize 
    from the grapevine thicket in front of me an adult doe, I stand up
    she's 50 yrds out.
       As I am watching her I can hear 2 deer walking behind me in the
    thicket but cant see them, this doe in front of me walks up the hill
    and never does offer me a good shot, I heard another deer so I looked
    back to the left and here comes another adult doe walking up the little
    ravine about 18 yrds in front of me she never stopped in a clear
    shooting lane, she got up the hill about 20 yrds out and I thought to 
    myself if you just hook around and walk down that trail your on I will
    be all set.
      she stood there for about 30-45 seconds and then started walking
    towards me, at 10 yards she stopped behind a big tree I ease the bow to 
    full draw, she takes 3 steps but where she stopped there was a small
    wild cherry tree covering her vitals, come on take another step I think
    to myself finally she takes a step, shes at 5 yrds broadside, I double
    check my anchor settle the top pin 1" bellow the upper roll of her
    shoulder blade and the release was just an instinctive reaction.
    
      I watched as 32" of xx75 sank to the nock right where I wanted it, at
    the impact she was knocked flat, she jumped up and tore off, and man
    when I say tore off she didnt know what she was doing, she cleared me
    all kinds of new shooting lanes, after the shot I only counted to 3
    1000 before total silence, I turn around and the other doe is only 20
    yrds away, ok I pull another arrow out knock it hook the arrow holder
    on and start watching her, heck maybe I can get 2 here this morning,
    but she just strolls out along the ridge eatin acorns. so I set back
    down, look at my watch and kinda chuckled that this year my hunt lasted
    exactly 14 minutes longer than last years 2 saturday hunt.
    
       I climbed down walked over to where she was standing, there was
    nothing there, walked over a little ways and found some good blood sign
    said a quiet thank you and snuck back up over the hill and left for the 
    camper. waited for mom and pat to return, they saw 5 but no shots.
    
      We ate and returned to my stand with a weelbarrow at the top of the
    hill and a piece of pipe, after we got to the stand I showed pat where 
    she was standing and said just follow the knocked down trees and the
    last I saw her was when she ran into that double trunked wild cherry
    right there so he walked over there and said heres your arrow, well the
    flecthing half anyways, so mom and I start to walk over to him and he
    looks around the tree and he said here she lays.
    
       Pat lashed her legs together and we roped her to the pipe to cary
    her out of there since I didnt want to field dress her there because 
    of the possibility of screwing up the stand site. we couldnt find the 
    broadhead end of my arrow. about half way up the hill mom said so how
    much you think she weight's, pat said well when we first started out I
    figured about 165-170 on the hoof, about now she's up pretty close to
    200lbs and the way I figure by the time we hit the field she'll be
    closer to 250. but we got her out to the field and then back to camp
    before I field dressed her and washed her out and hung her in the
    garage.
     
    
    

    
                                                        Good luck to all.
    
                                                               Lee
    

Had a chance to see my brother-in-law get a fat little spikehorn in the
NY northern zone muzzleloader hunt last weekend.

           Deer:   Whitetail buck (spikes 8" long)
           Weapon: Thompson/Center Renegade .54 cal., patched round ball
           Distance shot: 40yds
           Distance Travelled: 150 yds
           Date/time:  10/16/94  10 AM
           Weather: bright, sunny, calm, 60 degrees

I lent him my Renegade, and I was using my Hawken .54.  My 12 yr old son and I
had a big doe prancing around at 50 yds, trying to get us to reveal what we
were. Finally, she snorted about 10 times, and ran off. I figured I should move
after all that noise (WRONG). My brother-in-law came and sat right where we
had been, and the spike came right to him. He called me over to help track the 
deer. There was very little blood, a drop here and a drop there. BUT I'm glad we
hung in there, because 150 yds into a thicket, there he lay, stone dead. I
had been very curious to see what damage a .54 round ball would do, with 90
grains of ffg. He had hit the deer in one lung, and through the liver, passing
right through the deer, no problem. The internal bleeding was devastating ,
although you'd never know it, from the scant blood trail. We had been thinking
that it just might have been a flesh wound! Since the buck blasted off after the
shot and never fell down, and took a circuitous route in the thicket with little
blood sign, we thought it had gotten away and would survive.

MORAL :

NEVER, NEVER give up on a blood trail, until you absolutely have found the deer
or have exhausted all means of finding it!

NEXT : NH BP Season on Saturday, Lord willin' !
I sure would like to get my first black powder deer !

    Glad you found the deer.  A buddy of mine in Ky shot a doe on Sunday am
    and it ran off, another came over the hill so he shot it.  He climbed
    down and found a small spot of blood.  He called another friend of mine
    and they found both does, which he tagged ending his season.  They said
    the first doe had a perfect heart shot and she ran 150yards.  The
    second a perfect lung shot and she ran over 125 yards....Like you said
    never give up, even if you're not sure you connected.
    
    
    Wess
    
    P.S. had 14 does and a small 8point within 30 yards.  Lookin' for his
    daddy.

Finally got a deer with the smokepole that I built :

           Deer:   Whitetail button buck 
           Weapon: Thompson/Center Hawken .54 cal., pre-lubed Maxi Ball
           Distance shot: 40yds
           Distance Travelled: 0 yds
           Date/time:  10/23/94  4 PM
           Weather: drizzly, steady warm breeze, 65 degrees

My son and I were set up near a scrape line in Peterborough, NH.
I thought the deer was a doe (legal in NH blackpowder season). Decided to
take it, since I really wanted to get one with my Hawken, and wanted the
venison very much. Touched off the shot, waited for the cloud of smoke to
dissipate, and there he lay - didn't take a step. It Turned out to
be a young buck. This is the most delicious venison I ever tasted, and we got
quite a bit. My son and I enjoyed processing it the way we wanted it.
I guess Andrew's prayers were heard in Church that morning. He wanted more
than anything to be with me when I got one with the smokepole.

       What: Whitetail doe ~164lbs
       time: 6:15 pm 10/19/94
       where: pennsylvania
       distance: 18yrds
       traveled: 0 yrds
       style: treestand
       tools: Golden Eagle Cam Hunter @ 62 lb
              XX75 superlite 2514 32" 4 blade 125 grain savora broadhead
    
    
      after passing up many shots at does from my tree stands since I
    really wanted Roger to score this year, finally on a drizzly wed. night
    I went back to the same tree I got the other doe from, at 6:00 pm I had
    a deer litteraly run up to the stand, when I heard it running I stood
    up and a doe stood right there under me.
    
       as I prepared for a shot, she kept looking back the hollow, not a
    spooky kinda look more curious, so I turned and looked back the hollow
    and here comes the nice 6 pt. ok now we switch attention to mr. buck,
    so I figured that she would trot up the hill and pull him right by me
    but noooooo she runs right back to him, they head up over the hill and
    I can here them running around.
    
      as I am standing there in disgust about passing on the doe for the
    buck, but then I hear the tel tale snap of a branch and turn and look
    back here comes 15 deer! the lead doe was huge! ok thats the one I want
    she steps out into the open area at 18 yrds, there's 6 other deer out
    there with her, ok this should be interesting drawing with this many
    eyeballs out in the open.
     
     I line up the bow very slowly begin to draw, finally the cams roll
    over, at this time I was thinking of spine shot since it was drizzling
    and I really didnt want to take the chance of having the blood trail
    wash out, so finally I decide that a spine shot it is, if I shoot low a
    lung hit would be the result, if I over shoot then it will be a clean
    miss.
    
      So as I settle the pin on the spine,  she has her head down, the
    release of the sting was instinctive, I watched the arrow fly true 
    and at the sound of a LOUD crack she dropped right in her tracks, man
    Im tellin ya it sounded like someone smacked a tree with a 2x4 when
    that arrow hit her. the other deer split. she's now struggling to get
    up I pull another arrow take carefull ain for a heart/lung shot,
    release and she flops the arrow goes right under her! ok now you just
    ruined 2 broadheads and 2 arrows at the tune of about 18.00 now we use
    field points. she kinda lifted her head I drew back settled the pin
    between her ears and released, perfect hit, she's down for good.
    
      I said a quiet thank you, about 3 minutes later here come the other 
    deer back again, I renock another arrow, here comes the 6 pt. again, I
    stood there watching the 6 pt chasing a doe around for about 40 minutes
    the other deer were all walking around looking at the doe on the
    ground, there was a big doe about 8 yards away on the dirt mound in
    front of the stand, uuuurrrp  uuuuuurrrpp, here he comes this is gonna
    worrk out perfect he sees this doe, shes gonna trot up the hill and
    when he walks across the dirt mound I will have a perfect shot.
    
      The stand off begins, he's watching her, she's watching him, all I
    can see of him is the head and horns, bows up,ready, pointed to the
    shooting lane, she bolts! crap! maybe he'll stop to smell where she 
    was standing, I draw here he comes trotting fast pins on shoting lane
    little voice said DONT SHOOT, I relax the draw realizing that I
    probably just saved myself from gut shooting him, with it drizzling out 
    I wanted to make damn sure I made a good solid heart/lung area hit. but
    he is definatly a nice buck, a true trophy for any archer!
    
      The next 3 days I saw 7 different bucks, all within 25 yrds but could
    not get a good clear shot, well except for thursday morning the 10 pt
    that was at the camper came into conner hollow, 12 yrds broadside I
    knew I had a clear shot at the front shoulder but I didnt want to try 
    and drive one through the shoulder blade since the front leg faceing me
    was back which was completely covering any heart shot possibility! he
    turned took a few steps, a branch covering the vitals? he then turned
    and looked right at me!!! and I wast over 20 feet up in the tree!! he
    just walked down the hollow! now for MAJOR LESSON learner! NEVER AGAIN
    will I wear a camo mask!!! after he left I pulled the mask up and
    looked where he stopped the second time CLEAR! this was the first time
    I ever wore a mask while bowhunting and to say the least the last! no 
    matter how chapped my face gets from wearing the makeup I will still
    put it on! I was really POED for wearing that mask. he was coming right 
    into the tinks also. 
    
        Well no to catch up on work then I will put in some notes about the
    week we spent at camp.
    
                                                          Lee
      
    

    Congrats,
    
    That is great that you took your son with you!
    
    
    Wess

    164 lb. doe?  Nice deer!
    
    Mark.

that is HUGE for PA...  wow is right, musta been some drag out... ;^)

Fra

    
      Well I was glad it was only 150 yrds to the road! #1 because I didnt
    field dress her till I got to the road, I didnt want to screw up the 
    stand site. she went probably close to 200 lbs on the hoof. she had a
    real grey face and a tricolored coat, dark brown, black, and little
    summer brown splotches of noticably longer hair.
    
    
                                                         Lee
    
    P.s. I guess waiting paid off this time.
    

    
    Lee, that Doe you took? She escaped from New Hampshire.
    
    Rick
    

                           -< an October hat trick >-                      
                                                                
    
       What: Whitetail spike buck 110 lb
       Time: 6:15 pm  10/27/94
       Where: Marion NY
       distance: 4 yrds 
       traveled: 18 yrds
       hit: lungs/liver/stomach exited in front of right hind leg
       equip: Golden Eagle Cam Hunter@ 62 lb 32" XX75 superlite savora head
       Style kneeling in a corn field
    
    
    
      The previous 2 nights I watched deer walk the ridge above me, so last
    night I figured that there was something tastier up there they liked
    more than what was where I had my stand. so I got to the ridge and
    found a standing field of corn.
    
      as I snuck out the back edge of the field I could see the neighbors
    field hadnt been cut yet either so I figured this spot has gotta be
    good! as I crept to the corner I peeked around the edge of the corn and 
    there's 3 deer 30 yrds away! poof I hit the dirt belly crawl into the 
    corn get up on my knee's knock an arrow.
    
      ZZZZZZOoooooooooooommmmmmmmmmmm 2 deer fly by me at 20 yrds! darn it,
    I set real still, 5 minutes later 2 can hear some walking in the corn
    to my right kinda angling to my back so I bend over and look along the
    ground I can see 8 deer feet walking about 3 rows away.
    
      all of a sudden I hear snap and ever so slowly turn my head and I see
    this deer walking towards me from the woods, slowly I return to a full 
    kneeling position, I watch him close the distance the brush is about 4
    yrds away and there is an irrigation ditch along the brushline. ok when
    he jumps the ditch I'll draw, but no he steps into the ditch with his
    front feet, ok now drop your head to get a drink, his head dissapears
    into the ditch.
       The bow comes to full draw, pins on the mark , release......direct
    hit 32"of aluminum burried and disappeared. one leap, another leap,
    another leap that ended in a sumersault, the woods are now quiet.
    
      I said a quiet thank you and set there for about 10 minutes, mostly
    trying to get the feeling back in my left foot since I almost kissed
    the ground the first time I stood up. I walked over and there was some
    hair where he was standing when I shot, walked over to the first spot
    he jumped from and the leaves were covered with bright red blood. I
    took 3 steps and there he laid beside a fallen tree 18 yrds from the
    shot site.
    
    
    
                                                 Lee
     
                                                                

    Lee Geibell, you musts done something awful good in your past lives!!!!
    I figure you must have one freezer for the salmon and trout, and
    another BIGGER one for the venison :*)   Imagine your electric bill
    if the Moose ever make it over to Pa.!
    
    Congrats
    Gaffer

    
    
      Thanks brian, all I can say is its been a hellava season so far! my
    only regret is that now I am done till thanksgiving week! 3 weeks of
    no deer hunting! man whatta bummer, maybe I will get a license for
    another state? or maybe break out the 'ole '06 and head for the
    northern zone of NY for a buck??????? can you say DIVORCE....
    
     I knew you could, but maybe just spend some time with the wife..naw
    
     its hunting season!!!!!!!!!! 
    
    
                                                           Lee
    

      
         Type: Spike Bull Elk
         weight: ~500 lbs. live weight / ~350 field dressed
         where : Colorado, Buffalo Peaks / Salt Creek area (area 49)
	 when: Monday, Oct. 24, 1994
         distance: 60-70 yards
         travelled: 30-40 yards
	 equipment:  Winchester Model 70, 7 MM Remington Magnum
		     Leupold Vari-X II 3x9 Variable scope, set at 3
	 load: 175 gr. Speer Grand Slam bullet, 60 gr. 4831 (hand load)
    
This was my first time in this area, but I was hunting with Gordon Roberts,
who has hunted this area for the past 3 years.  It's a limited draw area,
and he has done well there in the past.

On Sunday, the 23rd, I saw what I believed to be a fork horn bull, but
couldn't get a good enough look at its head.  I had a clear shot, but
was waiting to make sure it was a bull.  Before I could do that, another
elk came running up beside it and they both took off.  As this was in
heavy timber, I didn't see them after that.

When I got back to camp that night, Gordon told me that he had located
a small 6x6 bull (small for a 6x6, that is).  As he was hunting deer at
the time, he couldn't take it (you'll have to wait for his report to get
the full picture.  I don't want to spoil anything for him).

So, the next morning, I and a couple of others went in after him.  I didn't
see a thing.  There was snow on the ground, and it was still frozen and 
crunchy, which made a silent hunt just about impossible.  As was the
case the previous day, it was in heavy timber.  I came in for lunch,
and went back out about 2 p.m., alone.  This time, I came in from the opposite
direction as I had done that morning.  Also, the day had warmed, and the
snow was much softer and much quieter.

After about an hour of still hunting through the timber, I hadn't seen
squat.  Then, there was a brown thing about 60 or 70 yards in front of
me.  I put my binoculars on it, and realized it was a spike bull, looking
right at me.  It was facing me directly, and was partially hidden by
a pine.  The only shot I had was a small patch on the front of his left
shoulder.

I brought up my rifle, put the crosshair on that spot, and squeezed of
the shot.  SNAP!  I had forgot to chamber a round after unloading when
I came in to camp at noon.  I tried to chamber a round, and managed to
eject it on the ground.  I was then able to get one chambered.  Fortunately,
the bull never moved, and I had the same shot.  This time, the gun
went boom.

The spike took off immediately, but I could tell that it was hurt by the
way it was running.  It ran about 30 or 40 yards, and stopped.  It began
wobbling and struggling to stay up, and then it dropped.  I walked up
to it and finished it with a shot to the neck.

The first bullet had entered the shoulder just where I had aimed.  It
broke the left shoulder, entered the rib cage, pulverized the lungs, and
then exited through the flank on the same side.  It didn't make a big
exit hole, and it was only after I skinned it that I could determine
how the bullet exited.  All things considered, I'm pleased with the
bullet's performance.  It was one of those raking shots that hunting
writers like to caution against, and the bullet was up to the task.

This was my first bull.  I had broke one's back after another hunter
had gutshot it a few years earlier, but this was the first one I
could claim all to myself.  Even though it had small antlers, I am
very proud of it, especially with the way in which I took it.

As for the hunt in general, it was the most successful one I've ever
been on.  There were 5 hunters with 2 bull tags, 2 cow tags, 3 either-sex
deer tags, and 2 buck tags.  The buck tags are only good for the first
three days, and the either-sex tags turn to doe only after the third
day.  We also had a bear tag.  When I left camp on Wednesday, we had
taken 2 bulls, 1 cow, 1 buck and 1 doe.  And the way that things were
going, I'll be surprised if the remaining cow tag hasn't already been
filled.

Jerry

    
    	Type: Doe
    	Wght: 90 lbs. 
    	Where: NH
    	When: Sat. Oct.29 5:00 pm
    	Distance: 25 yds.
    	Travelled: 20 ft.
    	Weapon: 50 cal. TC Hawken 
    
    	
    		Got in the woods about 3:45.  Went back to an area where
    	I had a hang-fire on Thursday (took five caps before the charge
    	went off, my own fault for not properly cleaning out any residule
    	solvent).  Anyway, had been sitting for about 1/2 hour, three does
    	were feeding through an area to my right.  Gave me too much time
    	to think about taking one or not.  The first that offered a clean
    	shot was history.  
    		Should note that I had already blown a chance at a 6-8
    	pointer, plus had the hang-fire at a nice doe.  But, that's all
    	history now and I've got venison in the freezer! 

    Sounds like you guys are having a good time.  A buddy of mine's father
    arrowed a 10pt 210bls field-dressed a couple of days ago in Ky.  He
    rattled him up by sticking a wooden arrow in his bow limbs and shaking
    it around(forgot his antlers).  Makes me want to throw up!
    
    
    
    Wess

    
    What: 8 Point Whitetail
    Weight: 160 dressed
    Where: Brookline N.H
    By what means: 12 Gauge Winchester Pump
    Distance Traveled: Approx 150 yrds.
    
    
    The story:  Sunday Nov. 6th. I entered the woods at 5:00 a.m. Made my
    way to a ridge at approx. 5:20. At 5:25 I had at least 4 deer wandering
    around me (still too dark to see). They wandered around till 5:45 or so
    when one more came my way. It was still kinda dark, but once I was sure
    if was indeed a deer I fired. He was approx. 40 yrds from me at the
    time I shot. I waited approx 40 mins. then went over to where he was
    and picked up on the blood trail.  I followed the blood trail for about
    80 - 100 yrds and lost it. The deer was heading in a NE direction at
    the time I lost the blood trail. I took 3 big loops around the spot I
    lost the blood trail and still nothing. I then started back from the
    beginning and when I came to the spot where I 1st lost the blood, I was
    this time able to pick up one drop of blood which indicated his travel
    direction. 50 yrds more, laying behind a laurel bush up against a tree
    lay my deer.
    
    Good luck everyone.
    Lance
         

Date: Friday, 10/28/94
What: 3 Point Whitetail
Weight: 110 Field Dressed
Where: Francistown NH
By what means: Smoke Pole
Distance Traveled:  80 yards (sorta)

The story:  I took the first week of NH muzzleloading season off to go hunting
and was out every day.  I had heard one snort at me and heard another crash
off through the swap but hadn't seen any.  On Friday evening I decided to try
a different spot in an old pine grove.  I new the deer sometimes crossed it
going to a section of oaks to feed.  About 5:10 PM I heard one coming.  It was
moving at a pace that I new it was a deer.  Too fast for a hunter and too heavy 
for most anything else.  It then steped into a lane in front of me about 50 
yards out.  It was broadside to me and I took a quick shot.  It the bolted and
continued for about 20 yards.  I couldn't see it but could hear it.  It then 
turned and ran directly towards me.  It got to about 7 yards to my right and 
stoped broadside to me and was looking straight ahead.  This all happened so
quick that I didn't even have time to grab my pre-measured powder charge that
was sitting beside me on the ground.  I new if I reached for it the deer would
be gone before I could ever get the lid off.  After about a few seconds, seemed
like an eternaty, the deer took a few more steps and was now a little behind
me.  I picked up the powder and poured it down the barrel when he wasn't looking 
and shook the gun to settle it.  I then picked up a Hornady Great Planes Bullet
and started in the barrel.  At that point I saw the deer stagger and relized I
had hit him.  About the time I got the bullet seated the deer colapsed about 
10 yards away.  I got up and walked over and put a round in his neck to stop the
twitching and leg movements.  My first shot had gone in through the ribs and
lungs and then out the other side without damaging any meat.

    
    Keith...congrats on the 3pt....btw: that twiching and leg movement
    was nerves...if it ever happens again, just stand-by..he was already
    dead.             
    
    110 pounds is good eating...do you like using the hornady's?
    
    Rick
    

    Guys,
    
    Great job on the deer, keep it up!
    
    Wess

Rick,

I knew the dear was in the bag and that it was most likely nerves but I had to 
fire off the round anyway.   I would hate to think the deer might be suffering 
so I shot him just below the skull, in the neck, waisting little if any meat.

As for the Hornady Great Planes Bullet.  I have a 54 Cal Night MK-85 and a
1-3.5 scope  (it was on 1x when I shot the deer).  I use 100 gr FFG with great
results.  I took it to the range the day before the season and fired two rounds
at 100 yards from the bench.  They were 1.5" left and 2" high and touching each 
other.  I can live with that in a muzzleloader.  As for the performance, I have 
gotten 3 deer with this combination in the last 5 years.  When you hit one in 
the chest it goes clear through and makes a good size hole on both sides.  When 
it hits bone it smashes them but doesn't go clear through.

keith

    150LB Muley buck (3pt)
    Cinnabar Basin, Montana
    
    100yd offhand shot; .416Rem Mag
    
    Is this too much gun for deer? I've been asked that before.  But when
    you find someone in your hunting stand on an elk hunt and are returning
    to the ranch on foot, AND a muley buck is foolish enough to step out
    and snort at you a hundred paces away, I guess you can call this a
    target of opportunity and making the best of bad morning.  
    
    I aimed and hit two inches behind the shoulder on a broadside shot. 
    The exit hole was an inch in diameter.  NO meat loss.  The buck took
    two bounds and folded up.  The lungs were liquified.  Sort of shoot and
    field dress and tag in less than ten minutes. 
    

    240lb Muley Buck (4pt)
    Cinnabar Basin, Montana
    
    300yd sitting shoot: (Mike Hohwy) .300win Mag
    
    Mike was hunting elk and not having much luck when this beauty stepped
    out in a park at 7500ft.  Since Mike was at 8000ft this was a 30deg
    downhill shot.  He did not expect his bullet to hit high so he held on
    the nose.  The buck was facing him and only 5yds from timber. He fired
    and the buck dropped like a sack of stones in his tracks.  Mike's
    200gr Bullet had entered the buck's mouth, removed his lower jaw and
    severed the backbone at the back of the skull.  Instant death.  Mike's
    Alaskan professional guide, Joel, was impressed.
     

I posted this in the archery file, but have not received any input on the
closing question.  Possibly someone here in the hunting file can speculate
why the deer went down with a shoulder shot.

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       What: Whitetail buck 8 pt 150 lb
       Time: 6:00am 11/8/94
       Where: Callaway, Missouri
       distance: 12 yrds 
       traveled: 0 yrds
       hit: 1st - shoulder in front of crease
	    2nd - liver from back
	    3rd - heart
       equip: Sky Archery (aka Earl Hoyt) 66" Eagle recurve 54# lb 31" 
	      XX75 2315 woodgrain classic custom crest and fletch 
	      Magnus 125 razor sharp broadheads 
       Style: tree stand - grunting

I had to drive from St. Louis to Kansas City on Digital business today, but 
since I didn't have to be in K.C. until early afternoon, and since my 
hunting area just happens to be stone's throw off I-70 between the 
cities, I thought, "Why not leave a little early (3:00 a.m.) and climb a 
tree for couple of hours before heading on over to K.C."    

I got to my hunting area in the shadow of a neuclear power plant about 
5:00 a.m., saddled up and headed into the woods to my tree. My stand was 
placed in the tree by 5:30 - still pitch black in the Missouri woods 
this time of year.  

By the time I changed shirts, got up into my stand and got situated, it 
was 5:45.  I sat down to rest for a few minutes to let things settle down
while I awaited day-break.  After quieting down, I decided to let the 
deer in the woods know I was there with my grunt call.  "Whoops! Where's 
my grunt tube?" After momentary panic passed, I looked in my fanny pack 
hanging on the tree and found it still nestled away.

Got the grunt tube, got settled down again, and let things quieten down 
until about 5:55 a.m. as the eastern sky just began to show signs of 
brightness.  I pulled out the grunt and gave two quick short grunts... 
waited about 15-20 secs and gave four more grunts slightly louder ... 
waited about 30 secs and gave 3 more loud, more agressive grunts. I 
tucked my grunt tube away ... and wait, did I hear movement?

I slowly stood and listened.  There it was again.  Definitely movement, 
but from what direction? Again, this time definitely behind me.  I 
turned and looked past the tree that I was in.  All I could see were the 
vertical silouhetes of the Oaks and Hickorys and Maples in the early 
morning twilight, but then there was this horizontal silouhete that 
seemed to be out of place, then it moved in my direction about 25 yds 
out.  

As the deer inched closer in nothing more than the early morning 
darkness I could barely make out the form.  However, for a second, just 
a brief second, I saw a glimer off of some head gear that the deer was 
sporting, and I realized it was a buck.  Of what proportions, I had no 
idea.

The deer passed behind my tree at 15 yds and began quartering away from 
me to a spot about twelve yards in front of the tree at which point he 
stopped to sniff the breeze which carried my James Valley Doe in Rut 
Scent.  I could barely make out the deer's silouhette, but I could see 
the front leg and where it met the chest cavity at the crease, and since 
this was a shot that I practiced 100 times before in the darkness, it 
was time to shoot.

Going strictly on instincts, I reached out with my recurve and touched 
the spot I wanted to hit with the arrow, and immetiatly released the 
arrow as I reached the anchor point.  The deer let out a gawd-awful 
grunt, did a 180 in mid-air, and colapsed right in it's tracks! 

I thought to myself, "good grief, I must have gotten a spinal shot."

I looked at my watch, it was 6:00 a.m.

I stood there watching and waiting for what seemed like eons, but was 
probably just about 5 minutes while the buck laid there totally 
motionless.  I thought for sure he was dead.  Then suddenly, he tried to 
get up, but couldn't and collapsed back in the same spot.  Every once in 
awhile there was a little movement, but I thought certainly he would 
expire in a timely manor.  After about 10 minutes, he suddenly sat up and 
raised his head laying down facing away from me with his back toward me. 
It looked as if he was just laying there in a bed. He remained that way,
motionless for so long that I began to wonder if he exipired in that 
position. 

As the morning light crept into the woods, I began to get a better 
perspective of the situation.  It was now about 6:30. I could make out 
all of the details now, and I saw the deer laying there with a brightly 
crested arrow sticking out its side just about 3" in front of the 
crease.  The trouble was, about 29" of the 31" arrow was sticking out, 
so it did not look like there was much penetration at all, and the buck 
was just laying there apparently bedded down.  I began to think that he 
had a superficial wound, and any minute, he would get up and run away.  
Therefore, I decided that I needed to put another arrow in him.

As I prepared my concentration for a second shot, I realized what a 
delima I had - any shot I made was a very low percentage shot because 
all I had to shoot at was his back, and I had a sapling full of leaves 
between me and him to boot.  O.K., I got to take the shot just a couple 
of inches above the backbone, and the arrow should penetrate through the 
ribs down into the vitals area.  I reach out and touch the target area 
with my bow hand and instinctively release when I come to full anchor, 
and ... "damned that tree."  The arrow deflected and went high for a 
clean miss.

I leaned out against my saftey harness as far as I could to do a little 
tree pruning so I could get a better shot off.  Then I retrieved my 
third - and final - broadhead from my bow quiver.  This shot has to 
count.  O.K. concentrate on your target, nock the arrow, ... @$#%! I 
was concentrating so hard on the target that I did not pay attention to 
my arrow and dropped it out of the tree.  Now what?!

Wait! I have one extra broadhead in my fanny pack pouch - I think.  I 
look.  Yes it's there!  I quickly make the change from a field tip to 
the broadhead, nock the arrow - successfully this time - draw, release, 
... thump! The arrow hits the back of the buck just as planned, but a 
couple inches back where it just barely clipped a lung and penetrated 
the liver.  

The buck kicked, tried to get up and colapsed again.

I waited... and waited........  and waited.........

The deer still laid there like he was bedding down.

It was now 6:45 a.m.

I decided I had to put this poor animal out of it's misery, so lowered 
my bow, slowly climbed down out of the tree, retrieved my dropped arrow, 
and began to slowly circle behind and around the deer to get to a better 
vantage point to make a high percentage lethal shot.  

After about 10 mins, I had my vantage point - a clear shot at the 
underside of the deer up through the vitals.  I drew my 4th arrow, 
reached out and touched the crease with my bow hand, and released at 
full anchor.  This time, there was no mistaking.  The arrow burried to 
the fletching through the heart and lungs.  The buck expired in a matter 
of minutes.  It was 7:00 a.m. - one hour since I made the first shot.

Two things stand out in my mind as a result of this experience:

	1. I could never have made the shot at the deer with a compound 
	   sights, peeps, and the rest of the paraphinalia.  The light
	   conditions were too low to even see a sight pin through a 
	   peep with a compound until about 6:20 a.m.  As indicated 
	   earlier, I practiced a lot with my recurve shooting 
	   instinctlively in the dark until I was able to consistently 
	   hit a silouohette deer target in the vitals 3-out-of-4 times.

	2. It was not a pleasant experience watching the deer expire.
	
One question remains:

	Why would a shoulder shot 3" in front of the crease drop a deer
	in it's tracks, and disable it from being able to get back up?

	I noticed that my Magnus broadheads are labeled "Bone Crushers"
	on the package.

I hope next time I do much better.

Merlin
	
    

    
    Merlin,
    
    That's a hell of a story...I felt like I was with you....
    
    Who knows why deer react the way they do...maybe when you butcher the
    deer you'll see why...
    
    Nice job sitting as tight as you did...don't think I could've remained
    on stand that long....
    
    Rick
    

    
    I remember an article I read a couple years back that stated that
    if you wanted to drop a deer in it's tracks the best spot to hit
    it was right thru the front shoulder blade. Apparently the nerve 
    control center is right behind the shoulder blades and a hit there
    just throws the central nervous system into shock. Maybe you hit 
    part of that nerve network?
    
    Walt

    
    	The arrow might have gone in farther then you think. The deer could
    have pulled it out a few inches. So as Walt mentioned you could have
    hit some nerves behind the front shoulder, immobilizing the deer.
    Great story though.
    
    Ron

RE: .525
    
>>    I remember an article I read a couple years back that stated that
>>    if you wanted to drop a deer in it's tracks the best spot to hit
>>    it was right thru the front shoulder blade. Apparently the nerve 
>>    control center is right behind the shoulder blades and a hit there
>>    just throws the central nervous system into shock. Maybe you hit 
>>    part of that nerve network?

I did not know this, but it certainly sounds like a plausible explanation.
The deer could only lift its head and once in awhile during the 45 min wait
it would try to pull itself up with the front legs, but the rest of the body 
would not function and it would colapse.

RE: .525 

I did not see the arrow for a full 30 minutes after I shot the deer because
of the darkness.  So there was certainly an opportunity for the deer to 
pull the arrow out some.  I might add too, that the point of the Magnus
broadhead was bent, so it certainly hit something solid - I use the Magnus 
because it's one of the sturdiest broadheads on the market today, especially 
for traditional archers.  The Magnus is designed to shatter bone - maybe
that's exactly what happened.

Unfortunately, I won't know for sure about the damage done by that first 
arrow, because I had to drop the deer off at a meat locker on my way over
to K.C., and since I wouldn't have time to cut it up before leaving for 
gun hunting tommorow, I went ahead and had the locker do the cutting for me.

Mgc

    Type: Spike
    weight: 100 lbs
    where: NH
    when: Wed. Nov. 2 7:00 am
    Distance: 50 yrds
    travelled: 200 yrds
    weapon:Whinchester mdl 70 30-06
    bullet: springfield 165 gr. boattail
    
    My 13 yr. old son and I, still hunted for 1/2 hr into a stand.  We sat
    down under a big pine, with my son watching the mature growth stand,
    while I watched the brushed in area.  10 minutes into the stand, my son
    starts to tap me in leg 5 or 6 times.  I turn and look in his
    direction, this spike buck is walking with his head down 35 yrds away
    and broadside.  I have him take his safety off and tell him to take the
    shot.  As he starts to raise the gun, the deer spots the movement and
    stops, my son freezes, the deer is trying to identify us and the
    staring contest is on.  After about 10 seconds, the deer figures he's
    not in a very good spot so he starts to trot out and away.  I step up
    to my sons side, I tell him to stay down and I take the shot as he's
    going away.
    
    The shot was severly quarted away, the bullet enter low in the gut and
    exited out the 3rd rib.  We surveyed the impact site, lots of white
    hair and stomach contents.  I tell my son, we'll have to give this one
    some time to lay down.
    
    After 15 minutes I start to show him how to track, we had no blood to
    go by.  We get 25 yrds and jump a deer, instinct tells me don't shoot
    Mike, its not the same deer. We continue to track, we get up to the
    spot where we jumped the deer and now I have no sign of a hit deer (no
    blood yet and now no stomach contents).  I take out my floursent green
    rubber glove and attach it to a tree branch. I made a 20 yrd circle and
    found no sign.  I tell my son, we have to follow the deer we jumped to
    make sure its not hit.  We followed this deer for an hour with no sign
    of it being hit.  OK kid time to go back to the van, leave note for the 
    others, and go back to the glove.
    
    We get back to the glove and I expand the circle 30 yrds out I find
    part of the intestines, I look up and see someone in camo and an orange
    beanie hat following the swamp 100 yrds down, OK he see us no problem.
    I continue on my line, more intestines, now part of the stomach, now
    the rest of the stomach. Wow must be a nasty hole, I won't have to gut
    this one out!.  Now the blood trail starts,(2ft wide and every leaf
    covered) I can see the blood trail for at least 75 yrds from where I'm
    standing.  Ok son, you don't have to stay on the last track, the deer
    is dead and has been for quite some time now. We'll find him right down
    there.
    
    We pick up the pace and walk down the trail of blood and what do we
    see?  This bozo with the beanie hat sticking his knife in the spike buck
    we had been tracking for the last 3 hrs!
    
    I asked him if he had tagged the deer, he said no, not yet.  (get this
    no shot in the immediate area since I shot at 7:00) I start to fill out
    my tag.  This guy starts to complain, and says we should split the deer
    in half.  somehow after 15 minutes of discussion or so, I convince the
    guy that fish and game would decide who gets the deer and that they 
    wouldn't talk to me or him but that they would talk to the kid for the 
    imput. I guess that he felt a little uncomfortable with that.  He had
    enough and says "no hard feelings" and shake my hand! (ya right!)
    
    all in all, my son and I had a great day together with about 1/2 hr
    botched up by this non hunter/theif.  My son learned that next time
    he'll shoot while the deer has his head down (he says he was watching
    the deer coming in for at least 10 seconds). And he learned how to
    track a deer with out blood and he learned (and me to) how to handle
    someone whos gutting your deer (about a handful of material on this
    one) with tact and not with force.
    
    regards
    Mike
    
    

    
    Mike,
    
    Sorry to hear you and your son had to cross paths with such a #$%#^&*
    jerk. But, good work on the tracking and glad to hear you had a happy
    ending anyway!!!                          
    
    Congrats,
    Charlie

    Mike, great story on how to responsibly and effectively track a deer. 
    Your son has a great teacher.  Nice story on resolving the potential
    conflict in a mature manner.
    
    Congrats.
    
    Mark.

    Type: 8 pt.
    Weight: 200 lbs (dressed)
    Where: Epping N.H.
    When: Sat. Nov. 5, 11:45
    Distance: 40 yrds.
    Travel: 200 yrds.
    Weapon: Mossburg mdl 600 12ga.
    Round: 3" Mag single ball (ouch!)
    
       Got up at 4:am to pick up my cousin in Epping to head out to
    Deerfield. I had got permission to hunt someones farm land (300+ acs.).
    Real nice country but we were in there for 4 hrs and saw nothing!.
    After leaving Deerfield my cousin said he wanted to go back and take
    a nap then return to the farm to hunt at dusk!. We returned to his
    place in Epping and I told him I was going to take a walk out back
    of his place for an hour or so. WELL!, I went in about 170 yds. or
    so and found a scrape! (AHA!!) then a warm pile of droppings!!..
    I took out some DOE IN HEAT sent, splashed a little on the ground and
    walked in another 30 yds or so, waited about 20 min. and then I heard
    him come crashing through the woods. With his nose high in the air and
    his hormones rushing through I had to put his fantasy to and end and
    mine as well!!...
    
     Tom.

    
      Nice work, Tommy. And beautiful deer. 
    
    
    
                                                  Eric

    TYPE DOE
    WEIGHT 65 lbs
    Where Hookset N.H.
    when Fri. 11. 6.30 a.m.
    distance 30 yrds
    travel  5 yards
    weapon 20ga mossburg
    
    This note is being enterd for my 14 old son He got his first Deer..
    Last day of doe season and kids had the day off from school
    My fartherinlaw took my oldest boy hunting for the day, little did
    know the day would only lasted 10 mins. My son is great shot he keep
    telling me he was going to get a deer, I informed him its not that easy 
    you will have to wait to see when you get your chance. 
      
    When they got at there spot they watched a deer cross the road that was
    good sign....Well anyway the walked up a loging road and they climbed
    onto a big rock My fartherinlaw told my son to watch the Hemlocks 
    he would take Valley on the other side of the rock....
    
    It was cold morning and when I talked to my son on phone when he called 
    me I asked well, was cold out there ya but it was worth it. well anyway
    at first I was a little cold he said then I thought I would have take
    a mother nature call then I seen some flickering in the hemlocks all
    of sudden deer comes trotting by him. So he shoots and grazes the deer
    neck and the starts to wobble a little bit then he pumps a round of 
    buckshot at her she went right over . Then he hoops of the rock the and
    the deer lifts it neck up he shoots it again the neck I'm glad he only had
    3 shells in the gun.. B^)... By this time my fartheinlaw wondering what the
    hell going on.. and my son had his thumb in the air..
    He gutted the deer himself and dragged it out under the supervision
    of my fartherinlaw who is a great hunter.. 
    
    All in all there wasn't much meat loss although I did dig 5 buck shot
    pellets B^).. Proud Dad..well i did teach him how do shoot I think he 
    will bring home more deer than I have in the years to come....
     

    65lbs ?  Was that a mis-print.  I can't imagine a deer that is smaller
    than my dog!   Sounds like it was fun for your boy however.  Can't wait
    until mine are old enough!!
    
    Chris

    I think thats about average weight for this years deer.
    When they weighted that was field dressed and with out
    the heart and liver.
    
    Mike 

       What: Whitetail buck and doe (2 tags this year)
       Weight: dressed, buck 186lbs, doe 144lbs.
       Time: ~6:20am 11/12/94
       Where: Grand River Breaks, Perkins County SD
       distance: 265 yds for the buck, 210 for the doe
       traveled: 0 yrds for both
       hit: buck - heart
	    doe - neck
       equip: Weatherby Vanguard .300 Win. Mag.
       Style: stalk and ambush

the grand river breaks in that part of SD are rough country. REAL rough. about
2/3rds of it can be driven with 4wd only. the other 1/3rd you have to walk. the
sections we hunt belong to my brother-in-law and his family. its about 16,000
acres of prime hunting country. the river does a double horseshoe through the
land and has a flood plain about 1/2 mile wide surrounded by 200ft. bluffs. the
season opened at dawn (about 6AM). i was glassing the area from one of the 
bluffs and spotted about 20 deer enter the flood plain about 3/4ths of a mile
to the east - headed in my direction.

the flood plain is fairly open with a lot of cottonwood trees and some heavy
brushes and wild berry bushes. its easy to spot game in there, but difficult 
to get a clear shot. i worked my way down off the bluffs and positioned 
myself in a washout about 50ft above the flood plain - and waited. the deer
could have elected to follow the river. had they done that i would not have
gotten a shot, perhaps not even been able to view them as they passed. but
i guessed right. they chose to hang closer to flood plain bluffs and i 
estimated they would pass within 300 yards of me.

about 15 minutes after i first spotted them the deer came around a bend in
the river about 400 yards away. i noticed 2 bucks - one at least a 5x5 and
several does. i had a buck and doe tag. as they came into range i dropped
the scope from 10X down to 6X. i saw the big buck veer left into heavier
woods. i thought about taking a shot but decided against it. we were hunting
meat on the first day. not necessarily horns. the smaller buck entered a 
small clearing 265 yds away and i squeezed off a round. the bullet left a
hole in his heart big enough to pass a quarter through.

the sound was incredible. it was dead calm that morning, temp in the mid-20's
and the sky clear blue. the shot echoed through the bluff country in a manner
that's almost impossible to describe. it was LOUD and echoed over and over 
again. the buck i shot, a 3x4, dropped instantly. the ringing sound seemed to
confuse the rest of the deer. they couldn't pinpoint the source of the noise
and a couple of does ran straight at me and stopped 210 yards away. i 
chambered another round and put the crosshairs at the base of the neck of the
biggest doe and squeezed. the doe dropped instantly as the bullet severed 
the spine.

2 deer in about 10 seconds. ~20 minutes and two shots after the season 
started my 1994 deer hunting season was over. our party (4 of us had 7
tags to fill) shot 3 more that morning (2 mulies and another whitetail).
we kept 2 buck tags (one mulie and one whitetail) for serious horn hunting.
next week my brother-in-law and his 14 year old son will stay at a line shack
on the property and seriously hunt horns. a better father-son vacation i 
couldn't imagine.

during the 4 days i was lucky enough to pick up my limit of pheasants (12),
9 grouse, and 4 partridge. was great fun. reminicent of the days i hunted
that country as a teen. i'm going back next year for sure. i'd been away 
from there MUCH to long.

    
    
     Gene,
    
    
    
        Excellent shooting there mr., the story makes a guy wanna tag along
    for a hunt. that sure sounds like some beautifull country to hunt in.
    hopefully I will be adding another success note next week at this time
    since our gun season starts here in NY. I am really anxious to get out
    there deer hunting again.
    
                     good luck the rest of the season.
    
                                            Lee
    

    Gene: Excellent shooting, I wish I could have been with you on that
    hunt!!! Maybe we could get together next year in Maine for some hunting
    excitement..
                        Jon Proctor

    .300 win mag for deer? Does it field dress 'em at the same time?!!
    
    8^)
    
     Great job, Gene.

    
    sheepherder
    
    Great shooting!!!!! Did you tag any Suburbans along the way??
    
    Mark

Note 270.539 WAHOO::LEVESQUE 
    
    thanks mark and mark. and...
    
    >>.300 win mag for deer? Does it field dress 'em at the same time?!!
    
    it can if you shoot poorly. i lost only a tiny bit of meat in one
    shoulder of the buck i shot. nothing was lost on the doe. i'll use the
    .300 for everything from 'yote hunting up to elk. very good all round
    flat shooter. almost mandatory when hunting big bucks in prarie
    country where 300-400 yard shots are the norm.

    
    
    Congrats Gene .....
    
    Congrats to all the others who have been successful .......
    
    
               I also agree with Gene. If you had to make a choice on one 
    rifle to own a .300 Win Mag really can't be beat for all types of game.
    The amount of various loads and head weights runs from light to heavy
    depending on the game hunted. 
    
                                                        Guy

    Congrats guys!
    
    Sounds like everyone is having a great time out there, especially
    you Mr. Haag!
    
    Wess

    
    
    Glad to hear everyone is having a little success down there.  Up here
    in the cold north, Ontario Canada that is, not so many are having your
    such luck.  Excluding our gang.  Our hunt ended Saturday and our final
    count was 10, all bucks.  Biggest weighing in at 202lbs, and having 12 
    points.  We had a few others close to that one as well another 12
    pointer weighing in at 193lbs and a 10 pointer weighing in at 187lbs. 
    The rest were 6 points and smaller.  Great hunt for our gang, other
    gangs around us only had 2 deer per camp.
    
    Happy Hunting!
    
    Darren

    Type: six point Whitetail buck (only one three point antler was
          recovered, so I assume it was a six pointer.)
    Weight: 180 lbs. dressed
    Where: route 101 bypass, Milford, NH
    When: Fri. November 11, 1994 6:10 p.m.
    Distance: 0 yds
    Travel: airborne 10 yards, then another twenty yards on the ground.
    Weapon: 1993 Ford F150 pickup.
    Speed: about 60-65 mph
    Cost of damage to truck: $3,715.75 per the insurance adjuster.
    Misc. costs: new, larger freezer $380.00
    This deer cost me and my insurance company $4,095.75, or $22.75 per
    pound dressed.
    
    This gives a new meaning to the phrase "I think I'll gas up the truck
    and go hunting!"
    
    Ken
                  

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    Type: six point Whitetail buck (only one three point antler was
          recovered, so I assume it was a six pointer.)
    Weight: 180 lbs. dressed
    Where: route 101 bypass, Milford, NH
    When: Fri. November 11, 1994 6:10 p.m.
    Distance: 0 yds
    Travel: airborne 10 yards, then another twenty yards on the ground.
>>  Weapon: 1993 Ford F150 pickup.
    
    Ken
  

	Time for the 'ol yearly rat-hole....So....Is a Ford 150 to much
	caliber for a whitetail ?

	Red                

       What: 8-point White-tailed Buck 
       Weight: 209 lbs
       Time: 4:00 pm
       Where: Squaw Point, Moosehead Lake, Greenville ME
       Who: best :^) buddy   
    
       What: 8-point White-tailed Buck 
       Weight: 145 lbs
       Time: 8:00 am
       Where: Kennebec River headwaters, Moosehead Lake, Greenville ME
       Who: Dad
    
    My buddy shot the former, my dad shot the latter.  All in all a very
    rewarding week for me as I was really hoping my Dad would end a six
    year drought.  
    
    Given his disabilities (karpal tunnel syndrome), I spent the entire
    first 2 days scouting an area where I saw active buck activity with the
    hopes of getting him a shot.  In fact, one of the rub lines I found was 
    actually refreshed on 2 consecutive nights.
    
    On Saturday the 19th, I put him and another buddy on stands overlooking
    the trail with a good 100 yard visibility in all directions.  Just
    below the rub line was a low spruce grove at which they had been
    feeding.  Sure enough, a buck comes walking right up to his stand to my 
    scent line and he dropped it with a single shot from his Savage 308.
    
    10 minute drag back to the truck and I was back in the woods by 9:30.
    
    When I get more time, I'll enter the story about another buddy being
    literally chased back to the truck by a bull moose!
    
    Mark.

    in .536 i wrote..
    
>we kept 2 buck tags (one mulie and one whitetail) for serious horn hunting.
>next week my brother-in-law and his 14 year old son will stay at a line shack
>on the property and seriously hunt horns. a better father-son vacation i 
>couldn't imagine.
    
    an update. last night my nephew called. at 14 he got his first buck. a
    5x6 whitetail that dressed over 200. got him within 1/4 of mile of
    where i dropped my two. the kid said he saw the buck at least 4 times
    in the last two days. always to far to shoot. last night he got lucky.
    he was sitting in an ambush spot above the river watching a dozen or so
    does feeding. he got up to leave and right behind him, 100 yards away
    was the buck, walking right at him. this is rough country so my nephew
    was well hidden. he dropped the buck with a single shot from his trusty
    30.06. he will have the rack mounted.

    type: Spike 
    weight: ~110-115 lbs
    where: Dallas County Arkansas
    when: Friday NOV-18 0900
    distance: 50 ft
    traveled: 100 ft
    weapon: 98 Mauser sporterized in .25-06
    bullet: Sierra 117 gn. spitzer boattail pushed by 51 gn. IMR 4831

    Ah, well I've been reading this file for a while, so I guess I
    should  finally make an entry.  Let me start out by saying that
    hunting for me is fun, but not necessarily THE most important
    thing, but, it is for dad.  Well with dad just about to hit 72, I
    make every effort to take off some time so that we can go
    hunting.  Where we hunt is way out in the boonies, and I don't
    like the idea of dad hunting alone.  Well most of the time we
    come back empty handed, but relaxed so it's worth the time and
    money on my part.  Besides, dad's health is pretty good today,
    but at 72 you never know what can happen, so I figure if this is
    something that will keep him going, then it's my duty as number
    one son to make sure that while he can get out he has the
    opportunity to  do so.  Well enough of the preachin'.

    I go down to Arkansas every November, and this one, just like
    last year had all the fixins to be a bummer.  Last year it rained
    every single day I was down there except the day I left.  Well
    this year was looking to to be a repeat. The temp started out
    about 49-50 in the mornings and wound up about 70 in the
    afternoon.  This coupled with a relative humidity that never went
    below 91 percent made for a rather uncomfortable week.  In fact
    on Tuesday I had to get off my stand since I was hunting in
    bottom land and with the torrential rains I was watching the
    creak rise up to within about four feet of my stand.  It was
    muddy and wet out there.

    Well Friday dawned clear as a bell and with the temp about 39
    degrees. OK, not great, but it was the best of the week, and the 
    humidity had finally gotten down to where you didn't need gills.  I 
    was on my stand by 0630, just enough light to see where I was going
    without the flashlight. I got out there and waited.  About
    sunrise the squirrels started.  Now all week I'd been covered
    up in squirrels, at just about any time I could count at least a
    half dozen within eyesight.  By Friday I had gotten to ignore
    them.  About 0900 I heard some rustling behind me and I just 
    ignored it.  Well it continued and I got to thinking that it was
    different somehow.  That's when I realized that it was not
    moving, the squirrels would be running and chasing one another,
    and this was just staying put.  So I turn my head just about all
    the way around to my right and about 75 feet away is a deer. 
    Well I've got the tree that my stand is against as well as a
    brush pile between me and him, so I just waited.  It took him
    almost five minutes to work is way around to my three o'clock
    position. By this time I've decided it's a legal buck and now
    I've got a dilemma.  Two years ago I lost a very nice four point
    when I tried to turn to my right to get a good shot.  None of
    that this time.  I started to work the  gun around and he looked
    up, I froze, he's now about 50 feet away, he put his head back
    down, nosing for acorns, and I started to move again.  He looked
    up and I froze.  Well we played this game about twelve or
    thirteen times  and I finally got the gun around and pointing to
    my right.  Now I had seen five other deer this week and every one
    of them had turned north, away from me when they reached the
    point where this guy was.  So, given the odds, I figured that he
    would turn rather than continue around.  With is I brought the
    gun up and took the only shot I had, firing it left handed.  I
    hit him and he jumped about five feet straight up and then
    started to walk/hop.  I managed to get the the gun back around to
    my right side and brought it up.  By now he was about 100 feet
    away with a bush between me and him.  He stood there for what
    seemed like an hour, but was really only five to ten seconds and
    then fell over.  He took about eight or nine breaths after that
    then then stopped.  I waited about three to four minutes and then
    slogged my way over just to confirm he was dead.  

    I then rounded up some help and we went back in to get him out. 
    Man I've got mud on my coveralls up to my knees!  When we gutted
    him out the first comment I got was "Damn a gut shot, this is
    gonna be messy".  Well it turned out that the bullet entered
    high on the left side between about the sixth and seventh ribs
    and exited, with a 3/4 inch hole low on the right side taking
    out the bottom fourth of the last three ribs.  Amazingly, it
    missed the major organs, but hit the descending aorta.  He bled to
    death.  This was evidenced by the amount of bright red blood in 
    the abdominal cavity.  So it turned out not to be too messy.

    So it ended up being a productive week after all.  The only
    disappointing part was that dad didn't get one too.  Well there's
    always next year.

	Ken

    

    re -1
    
    ken, that you got out to hunt is good enough. i hunted deer and
    pheasant with my dad this year for the first time since 1969. it's time
    that won't ever be forgotten.
    
    gene

    
    Type:      Whitetail Doe
    Weight:    70 lbs.  (est.)
    Date:      11/28/94
    Time:      7:40 A.M.
    Location:  Haverhill, Mass.
    Firearm:   Remington 12 Gauge
    Style:     Loggy Bayou Tree Stand @18'
    
    
               As most who hunted and were traveling in the area we had a
    nice snowfall for opening day. The only problem was the downpour of rain
    that followed it. I had been on in my treestand for almost 2 hours and 
    was pretty soaked due to the rain and falling snow off the trees. A shot
    rang out of the swamp in front of me and I was it for any movement of a
    deer trying to get away. After about 10 minutes I caught something out
    the right corner of my eye coming from behind me. This doe was heading
    down the trail to the swamp. As I turned she seemed to catch my movement
    and made a few leaps angling away from me. As she settled down I was able
    to get a clear shot aiming behind the shoulder. Upon firing she traveled
    about 50 yards and piled up. I had a number of chances during bow season
    to take deer of this general size (+/-) but decided to hold out for a
    "Rockin Chair" I had seen in pre-scouting. But with the weather the way
    it was I decided put one in the freezer and get my bonus tag and hunt
    for antlers for the remainder of the season. I know one thing though
    she'll be tender !!!!!!
    
    
                                                         Guy
    

    Type:	8point
    Weight:	140lb est
    date:	Monday
    Time:	2:30pm
    Location:	Brown county Ohio
    With what?	slug/870express
    
    I got up at 3:00am on Monday morning and drove down to a buddy's farm
    in Brown County Ohio, right on the Ohio river.  I got in my stand at
    6:30 and waited for daylight.  About a 1/2hour after daylight a spike
    walked past me about 25 yards out.  The wind changed and I decided to
    get down and do some still hunting.  I went about 100 yards and spotted
    a small 6pt.  I walked up to a saddle where I spotted him and here he
    came.  I knelt down and he passed me from 6-8yards.  He went down the
    ridge and somebody else popped him.  I broke for lunch about 12:30 and
    started still hunting again at about 1:30.  I was easing around the
    bluff about 50 yards from the top(Ohio river) and spotted a buck bedded
    down about 70 yards away.  Since I only had Monday to hunt I decided to
    take him.  I eased down the hill to about 35 yards from him.  I aimed
    and decided to see if I could get closer.  I eased on to within 15-18
    yards and took aim.  I then tapped my foot in the leaves, he stood up 
    offering me the broadside shot and I obliged, busting his heart in
    half.  Going to Ky Dec 10th with my flintlock, hopefully for one alot
    bigger.
    
    
    Good Luck,
    Wess

    Wess,
    
     Congrats. Good deer and a Good hunt.
    
                                                    Darrell Seats @CHA

    Wess,
    
    
            Good job, and thanks....
    
    
    
    
                                                           Mike

    Guys,
    
    Thanks, I had alot of fun....as we all do, when we get a chance to get
    out.
    
    I am thinking the 2nd rut should be coming in around the 10th of Dec,
    since they were at peak in Ky around the 10th of Nov.  I am getting
    excited just thinking about it!
    
    Good luck,
    Wess

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Dave,

  If you get time, please add this note to the "Hunting" notes file.

Thanks
  Jeff


Hi guys,

  Wanted to let you all know that there is life after DEC! So far,
Quantum has been a great company to work for.  They seem to be truely
interested in the employees.  I hope that things are going well for
all of you and that your season has been or will be sucessfull.  I
wanted to get a couple of late entries into the deer file! Hopefully
I haven't forgot the correct format.  If you get time send me a 
message on the internet at "amberson@leds.enet.qntm.com" or call
at 508-770-6002.  


#1

What: 		Whitetail Doe
Where:		Potter County, PA.
When:		Oct 7
Weight:		115 +-
distance: 	25 yds
travelled 	150 yds
Bow		Golden Eagle

  I set up our first day in PA. about 60 yds off of a alfalfa field.  Just as it
started to get dark, four does came in.  Two stayed back but the largest 
cam directly under my stand.  I was up about 18ft in an oak that had hemlocks
all around it.  The hemlocks were growing right against the trunk of the oak
so it made a nice set-up.  I could just see the tips of her ears sticking 
through the branches.  I actually thought about trying to put an arrow straight
down between them, but didn't!  She stayed there for a good five minutes 
sniffing at my stick ladder.  The other three deer knew something was up. They
started stomping and snorting.  Two ran back into the the thicker cover, but 
one little one stood around waiting for the one under my stand.  The one 
under the stand finally started walking toward the little one but I couldn't
draw because the little guy was boreing a hole through me with his eyes. 
Finally I managed to draw when they were a little over 20 yds away.  As I 
released she spun and the arrow went right up her hind end.  Not a real 
good shot, but a fatal one.  I watched her run with about 8" inches of arrow
showing under her tail.  She went around 150yds.


#2
What:           Whitetail buck 4pt
Where:          Potter County, PA.
When:           Oct 10
Weight:         130 +-
distance:       20 yds
travelled       50 yds
Bow             Golden Eagle

  My buddy has a hayfield on the farm where we had been seeing this buck 
hanging out with a couple of big does.  I got in there late after helping
him move some cows around. I set up on the ground because I didn't want to 
make alot of noise with the climber. About five minutes after I got there
way down the field I see a deer working his way up the hedgerow.  I was 
sitting against a _huge_ old sugar maple with alot of golden rod around on
the edge of the field. The question was whether or not he would work his way 
up to me by the time it got to dark to shoot.  It took him about half an hour
to cover the 400 yds.  Finally he was within 20 yds.  I was wearing one 
of those "gilley suits".  It looks like a bunch of leaves had been sewn 
together.  The wind was right, he never knew I was there.  At the shot, I hit
him at a tight angle.  The arrow entered about four inches behind the right
shoulder and exited right at his scrotum! Ouch!  He ran mayby 50 yds into 
the woods.  My buddy said that the buck probably took one look at his wound
and placed a call to Dr. Kevorkian.

#2
What:           Whitetail buck 6pt
Where:          MA.  (no details!)
When:           Nov 28
Weight:         157
distance:       35 yds
travelled       0
Gun             870

  This is probably one of the best hunting stories I will ever have.  On 
Sunday night my buddy and decided that if it was pouring out as predicted we
would bag it and go to work.  I woke up at 4:00 and it had started raining
after snowing a couple of inches.  At 5:00 it was pouring so I went back to
bed figuring I'll go to work for the day.  At 7:00 Mike calls me and says 
your not going to believe the story! He was sitting eating his cereal when he 
looks out the window and watches as a _big_ buck crosses his driveway!  So
he runs down to the cellar and grabs his shotgun.  Of course by the time he
gets outside the deer is long gone. While he is out there he notices that 
his Mckenzie deer target was apparently blown over in the wind.  He goes to 
set it back up and notices deer tracks in the snow all around it!  Then it 
dawns on him that it wasn't blown over, it was knocked over by the buck he
just saw!  Both legs were snapped off.  You could see in the snow where the
real buck had circled "Bucky", then pawed the ground, and ran him over. I
wouldn't have believed it if I hadn't seen the tracks my self. When I got to
Mike's house we started on the track of the bully.  While tracking him the 
6pt ran right at us from the opposite direction and was dropped at 35 yds.

Moral:  Mayby there is something to deer decoys!


Guys,

  Good luck out there and be safe

Take care
 Jeff

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Glad to see someone's whacking them this year... ;^)

keep it up!

Fra

    Deer: 2 button bucks, 1 doe all in the 85lb range
    	  1 buck 8pts, 165lb                                                  
    Hunters: 4  shotgun           
    Number of Days: 4
    Location: greater maynard area, all shot 1/4 mile of another.
    Total # of deer seen by all: 25+
    Comments:" you don't have to go far to find em"
    		one more week and blackpowder too!

    good shootin. that'll be some mighty fine eatin this winter. congrats.

    7/8 point buck (one tine broken)
    165 lbs.
    Clfton, Pa.
    12/3 late AM
    
     I hunted on private land (775 acres) all week. Saw well over 100 deer
    with plenty of spikers and 4 pointers. Held off till Saturday for the
    kill looking for a bigger one. A herd of 20-30 came upon me, I was
    ready to pull the trigger on a 4 pointer when the big guy jumped out
    from the herd, with the same trigger pull intended for little brother
    - big brother bought the farm. One shot, heart kill, no running, no
    pain (?).

    
    Type:      Button-Buck
    weight:    90lbs
    date:      12/6/94
    time:      4:15pm
    location:  Haverhill, Mass
    firearm:   Rem 12 gauge.
    
    For me, the last day, the last half-hour........
    
    Rick
    

    Guys,
    
    Good job on the deer... I am eating jerky as I write this, and it it
    good!
    
    Last-Day last half-hour, always taste the best.
    
    Headed for Ky for flintlockin' this Saturday.
    
    Wess

    
    Well there predicting 2 inches of fresh snow for tomorrow morning so
    I'm taking the next two days off too see if I can find that "Rockin
    Chair" in the swamp I've been hunting around. Saturday (12/10)is the 
    last day of Gun season in Massachusetts and I'm working on my second
    tag so it's bucks only and hopefully that Big Boy. See ya Monday.
    
                                                    Good Luck to All,
    
                                                          Guy

    Guy,
    
    Good luck, I hope you get him. 
    
    
    Wess

    What:	Doe
    Weight:	100lb est.
    Firearm:	.50cal Flintlock
    
    A buddy of mine came up from Owensboro Ky and we hit the woods Sat
    morning.  It rained cats and dogs all day long and by 10:30 I was
    soaked.  I saw 5 deer that morning, no big bucks though.  We got dried
    off and ended up going to another farm.  My buddy asked me If I would
    shoot a doe for him since he hadn't seen anything so far.  I had 2 tags
    left so it wasn't a problem.  About 4:00 a big doe came through below
    me about 30 yards and paused by the fence.  I wheeled the flintlock
    around with her staring at me and right as I got the sights on her she
    bolted.  I swung with her and fired, hitting her right through the
    chest.  She went about 80 yards.  
    
    It started snowing/sleeting right after I shot and I just stood in the
    cedars and smiled, enjoying the silence.
    
    Flintlocks make me happy.
    
    Wess

    
    Well the best laid plans don't always pan out. I hunted both Thursday &
    Friday (12/8 & 9) in the snow. I cut one set of tracks on Thursday and
    never saw a deer. On Friday I decided to still hunt again around 10 a.m.
    and got on a set of tracks that came into my "mock" scrape the night
    before. The deer took me into my tracks from the day before and right 
    through the swamp. I tracked this deer into a 5 acre garden and through 
    a soft wood ridge into the hardwoods. I found a lot of sign there but
    no luck producing. So it seems I'll end my season with many good memories
    from Archery season and a small tender deer from gun season. It doesn't
    seem anyone got the "Big Boy" so hopefully I'll get a chance next season. 
    Good Luck to all those still hunting and Seasons Greetings. Hope to see 
    a bunch of you at the gathering in January (?).
    
                                                             Guy
                              

    
    
    
        What: Whitetail spike
        Date: 12/9/94
        time: 9 am
        where: NY
        used: Moss. 500 sluggun, winchester 2 3/4" h.p. 2.5 power bushnell
    
    
       I arrived at my hunting area early, my wifes final words still
    ringing in my ears " if your gonna shoot a deer in NY you better hurry
    the season ends in a few days" well I started out on the south side 
    of the road, headed down to the lower section of the creek where there
    are real thick hemlocks and laurel, figuring thats where the deer are.
    
        as its cracking daylight, I slow from a jog to a walk, since I am
    about 200yrds from the area, as quietly as possible I slide a shell in
    the chamber and slowly close the slide action, 2 more for the mag tube
    now I am ready to stalk the elusive whitetails.
    
      No sooner did I take 2 steps and there was a doe laying there looking 
    at me, no wonder with the snow so crunchy, and the cloud of frozen
    breath around my face (it was ~10 degrees) I had already made up my
    mind that I would pass on any does since that big buck was in the area
    and maybe he was busy passing on his genes. well the doe stood up and
    trotted out the bench we were on along with 2 yearlings.
    
      I slowly and methodically moved along circling below them and comeing
    in from the front of them, walking back towards the original spot I
    spotted her beded again, only about 70 yrds from the first spot, but
    she was right in the middle of a bunch of old logged out tree tops,
    well when she bolted those tree tops literally exploded with deer!
    
      So now decision time, my best guess is that they dont want to go the
    600 + yrds of open woods uphill, they want to get to the hemlocks at
    the creek, so I will cut'em off at the pass, I got down on the logging
    road opened the action of the gun and did the ole' hunker run af about 
    150 yrds, when I got to the spot where 2 roads joined I closed the
    action and peeked over the edge,nothing, search some more since there
    was 2 seperate tracks that came right down the logging road, still
    nothing, where the heck did they go they always come through here when
    pushed.
    
       Then I hear really loud crunching from behind me to the left, I turn
    my head and here comes the whole herd! I turned shouldered the gun, the
    lead doe saw me snorted and started running even fast I scoped them as
    they jumped the logging road 60yrds from me, doe,doe,doe,doe,doe, buck 
    lead shoot, pump shoot his tail slammed down,shoot again stumbles, they
    ran down in the hemlocks all standing in one group, I reach in my
    pocket open the box of shells and pull one out drop it in the chamber
    close the action as quietly as possible, slide 2 more in the magazine.
       Theres one walking out the ridge I look through the scope but
    couldnt see the head, I knew I hit him at least the second shot and
    probably the third, so I walked up where they crossed and walked down
    the tracks at the first sot place there was nothing, the second spot
    nothing?? what the heck is going on I have never had a deer drop its
    tail when shooting at it except for scoreing a hit, I moved down about
    10 yrds, there on the snow a quarter size spot of blood, another 10
    yrds there is a splotch about the size of a saucer, I looked up and
    there he is facing me! he had his hair all bristled outhis chest looked
    2 feet wide, I shouldered the gun he turned sideways, at that time I
    saw his left hind leg was almost aputated above the knee, so I shot for
    the lungs, he wheeled around and bolted I shot again he stumbled and
    then about 30 yrds farther he finally fell.
    
      I walked over to him, made sure it was finally over, said a thank
    you, and looked him over I hit him 4 outa 5 shots, the 2nd shot entered
    the front shoulder exited low stomach area and then went through the
    hind leg, the 3rd shot was 3" higer than the first and exited just in 
    front of the first shot, the 4th shot was a lung hit pass through on
    the same plane, the 5th shot was just in front of the 4th. field
    dressing revieled that the whole top of his heart was gone that was
    from the first shot! it was probably 2-3 minutes before I walked up to 
    him and he was standing there looking at me! I still cant believe it!
    
       after all that work was done the work of the drag was to begin, it
    started  to rain and it was freezing as soon as it hit, 4.5 hrs later
    I was finally back at the truck, soaked, and as funny as it seems so
    hot that I was freezing, there was so much steam from my body I looked
    like a chimney. but I loaded the deer in the truck, changed into dry
    clothes and headed on to camp.
    
       Fortunatly we were able to soak some of the meat in salt water to
    help draw out the bloodshot so we could salvage as much as possible.
    to sum up the season I would have to say that its been one that wont
    soon be forgotten thats for sure, I didnt get the buck I really wanted 
    but hopefully he survived and will be even bigger next year.
    
    
                                                                 Lee
    

    What:  Whitetail Doe
    Date:  12/10/94
    Time:  2:30 pm
    Where: MA
    Dist:  65 yards
    Trav:  5 feet  -  Spine shot
    How:   870 12 ga. 2 3/4" Rem Slugger
    Size:  150# dressed!  Butcher said it would have been about 10 pounds
           heavier if I had had it weighed right away.  Waited until last
           night.
    
    I showed up at my usual spot around 6:00 am to find a small army
    heading into the woods.  I had my 13 year old cousin with me for his
    first time deer hunting and told him take off a layer, because we were
    going on a long hike to get into the edge of the swamp from the
    opposite direction that all the other guys were going in.  The rest of
    our group went in the usual way to set up in hopes of my cousin and I
    kicking the deer out of the cedars.  I have to say that my cousin did
    extremely well.  I decided to slowly make our way through the swamp by
    walking for about 15 minutes and then sitting for about the same. 
    Around 9:00 we cut a track and we decided to try and see if we could
    push the deer towards the guys on the stands.  Instead the deer cut
    back towards the cedar swamp.  At around 10:00 or so I could hear the
    deer in front of us and decided to make a stand and see if I could call
    them in with my bleat call.  By about 10:15 I could hear them coming in
    to the call.  I turned to my cousin and found him sound asleep on the
    rock next to me.  I hit the bleat one more time and out came 3 deer.  I
    couldn't see any horns but didn't have to since the horns were in my
    pocket in the form of a doe permit.  I put the bead of the shotgun on
    the lead deer's chest as it walked into what I thought was an opening
    and let it fly.  Nothing!  I shot 2 more times as the deer was going
    by and still no indication of a hit.  By now my cousin was awake and we
    began the search for any sign of a hit.  Nothing!  At the 65 yard
    distance I had not been able to clearly make out all the brush that was
    between me and the deer.  A valuable lesson learned!  THERE IS NO SUCH
    THING AS A BRUSH BUSTER!  Thank goodness they were all clean misses.  
    At this point we left the woods for me to go home and get my other
    shotgun and finally sight in the scope my brother had given me for
    XMAS.  By now it was 1:00 and back we go into the woods.  We went the
    same route and right back to the same pile of rocks.  We were all set
    up by 2:00 and at 2:15 I looked over again to find my cousin snoring
    quietly and I started back in on the bleat call.  At 2:30 I notice some
    movement on the same run the deer had traveled that morning.  Here we
    go again.  Only this time I have the benefit of a 4 power scope to pick
    my opening.  My cousin's alarm clock went off again.  He quickly sat up
    and asked "Did you hit it this time?"  I started laughing and said yes. 
    I almost had to tackle him as he took off in the direction of the deer. 
    I told him to settle down and wait a few minutes.  When we walked over
    we found the doe about 5 feet from where I had hit her.  1 shot through
    the spine at the next to last rib.  I again had to laugh when my cousin
    quickly said "You shot it, you clean it!"  About 4:00 we finally got
    her back to the truck.  I can honestly say that we now have another
    member in our ranks.  My cousin is completely hooked and asked me on
    the way home if I would tell his dad if he skipped school to go out
    with me in Blackpowder.  I told him that we would see how things went.
    
    Sorry for the long note.  I don't write in too often so I have to make
    up for the lack of quantity with longer notes.
    
    Scot
    
    PS.  If you've never taken a kid hunting, you're missing out on one the
    best things you could ever do.  Can't wait to get my own kids to teach!  

    Good job on the deer guys!
    
    
    
    Wess

who:		Ex Deccie Jeff Amberson
type:  		doe
weight:		120lbs +-
when:		12/12/94
where:		Potter county PA.
method:		.270
How far:	150 yds
Travelled	70yds
where hit:	lungs

 Monday was the opening of "doe days" in PA.  We were hunting some
land adjacent to my buddies farm.  We had a total of seven guys 
covering two "hills".  You have to understand that "hills" in PA
are like mountains in MA.  I was on a south facing slope over looking
an over grown hayfield and orchard. We had about an inch of snow that
was iced over pretty good.  Conditions were perfect.  I could actually
hear deer running on the opposite hillside.  The crunchy snow made it
sound like a herd of cattle.  The temp was around 10deg. No wind. Around
ten oclock I heard/saw three dear run into the bottom of "my" field.
They were around 200 yds away.  I was amazed when they "pinned" me.  
All three were stareing at me head-on. I had the scope on the biggest
doe, but all I could see clearly were her head and a little of her neck.
We played "whos gonna move first" for about 3 minutes, which seemed like
three hours. Finally they had enough and started trotting across the 
field. I had the scope in front of them picking openings between the 
apple trees. Finally I got the picture I wanted and fired.  At the shot
they all put it into overdrive and were out of site quickly.  I wondered 
whether I'd blown the shot.  I chambered another round and walked
down the hill till I found where they had cut across the field.  What a 
relief to find a great blood trail.  The goldenrod was covered and so was the
snow.  She piled up about 70yds away.  Was hit pretty far back in the lungs.
We ended up with 7 guys taking 5 does opening morning.  1 guy hit one only
to have another hunter finish it. The last guy never saw a deer!  I saw a 
total of 9, Dave saw 26, Scott saw 18, Rick saw 6, Jim saw 11, Eric saw 13
Brian saw 0!  All in all a great day.

Jeff

type:  		doe
weight:		~170lbs 
when:		6/19/95
where:		2 miles east of Florissant
method:		320 hp '87 GMC @55 mph
How far:	headon
Travelled	10yds up and over
where hit:	broadside

First time to hit a deer, sure glad I was in my big truck.  I was coming home
from fishing and rounded the first couple of east bound curves outside of
Florissant.  This doe came running full steam across road right at me from
behind a tree.  Only had time to let off gas and bang.  She flew off the truck
and into ditch, didn't twitch.  Damage to truck was the grill, right turn
signal and headlight trim, no sheetmetal.  Insurance company says $480, I'll 
fix it for about $100.

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            What: Whitetail Doe
            Weight: 105 lbs dressed
            Time: 6:45 a.m opening day
            By what means: PSE Thunderflight Express
            Bow Weight: 80 lbs
            Arrow: XX75 2115's
            Broadhead: Wasp 75 gr.
            Shot distance: 25 yrds
    
        The story: Ruffly 6:30 a.m, I spotted what looked like 2 skippers
        about 100 yrds away feeding on accorns. I tried to get them to
        come toward me with the use of a dow bleat. After bleating 3 times
        another doe that I hadn't noticed trotted toward me looking for the
        doe that was doing the bleating. When she got 20 yrds from me, she
        stopped and looked straight up at me in the tree stand. I never
        made eye contact with her and struggled desperately to stop from
        shaking. After approx. 4 mins of her starring and stomping her foot
        at me, she ran about 5 yrds away and stood behind some sapplings.
    
        At this point I drew and waited for her to take another step.
        The arrow entered her left ham area and burried itself clear up to
        the nock. It went through her right lung and into her ribs.  I
        watched her run for approx. 100 yrds and then out of sight. When
        I finally took up the trail, I was bummed not to find one drop of
        blood. I continued to walk near where she was last spotted and 40
        more yrds away there she laid.
    
        Best of luck to everyone.  That was my shortest season and 1st Bow
        kill.
    
    
    Lance
    

    
            What: Pronghorn Antelope Buck
	    Horns: 13" and 12.5" outside curl
            Weight: ~100 lbs. field dressed
            Time: 10:30 A.M., Saturday, October 7
            By what means: Winchester M70 7 MM. Magnum, 139 gr handloads
	    Range:  ~275 yards
    
	It wasn't the most sporting way in the world to take game, but
	I shot him from the road.  It was a private road, on private
	property, and perfectly legal.  This is twice that I've hunted 
	antelope on this property, and hunting from the road seems to be 
	a real successful technique.  Sometimes they stay in range and
	a stalk isn't needed.  Sometimes they don't, and you have to
	work a little harder.  And sometimes they're too far out, and
	the terrain won't permit a stalk (too flat).  In that case,
	you just admire them and move on.

	Earlier in the morning, I had spotted some from a county road,
	and attempted to stalk them.  I did get several shots at 2 or
	3 different bucks (I think I shot at one twice), but missed.
	After the 3rd miss, I was able to see that I was shooting over
	them.  I was shooting from a prone position, and using a
	bipod.  I don't know if it was the stiffness of the bipod
	(like shooting from a hard rest with no padding), or if I
	wasn't lining my eye up straight with the scope, but my
	shots were high.  On the shot I made, I only had the top half
	of the animal visible, and had to aim high in the ribs.  That's
	exactly where I hit him.  And it was at about the same
	range I was missing with the bipod.  The only difference was
	that I wasn't using the bipod.  I wasn't shooting from a prone
	position, either.  I'll practice shooting in  that position before 
	I try it again on a hunt.

	I was the last of 5 hunters to take buck antelope that day.
	There were literally antelope everywhere.  I doubt that I went
	more than 30 minutes without seeing some.  At one point, I
	was watching 2 separate bucks, both big, keeping their does
	close.  I was within 250 yards of one, and he just looked at
	me.  The only problem was that he was on property I didn't have
	access to, and I would have had to shoot across a public road
	(it was a county road, not paved, and not well traveled, but
	still public).  It as tempting, but I don't want one that bad.

	It was also the first game I've taken with my new rifle, so that
	was nice.  All of my guns were stolen this summer, including a
	.270 and a 7 MM. Magnum.  I decided to replace just the 7 mag
	for now, which is why I was a bit overgunned.  When all of the
	insurance stuff is settled, I'll probably replace the .270.

	Jerry

    
    Congrats Jerry !!!!
    
    Sorry to hear about your mis-fortune with the theft.
    
    I was talking with an outfitter to hunt a combo of Antelope & Whitetail
    in Wyoming I believe at last years Outdoor Expo in Springfield, Mass.
    The 1 week hunt would consist of 2 opening days, Antelope on Monday and
    Whitetails on Thursday. I'm cosidering going for the 1996 season as I've
    never had the opportunity to hunt out West. 
    
    
                                                           Guy

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        What: Whitetail Doe
        Weight: 110 lbs dressed  (3 pounds of ticks)
        Time: 5:35 p.m. second day 10\8
        By what means: Alpine Seria Mag.
        Bow Weight: 67 lbs
        Arrow: XX75 2117's
        Broadhead: Thunderhead 100 gr.
        Shot distance: 18 yrds
        Where: Corrinth Vt.
    
    
      Sat in a stand over looking an apple tree we had found the previous
    day.  The deer were definitely visiting. Plenty of droppings and
    tracks.  Nice pine tree twenty yds from the apple tree where we set the
    stand.  My buddy hunted it the first evening but got out too early
    (rain) and had a deer blow at him.  Bob was hunting his favorite stand
    the next morning so I took over the new stand.  Sat from 5:45 a.m. till
    just after 11:00 a.m. . Back gets too stiff sitting in a tree that long
    and had to get out.   4:30 p.m. I was back in the pine tree.  About
    5:30 something catches my I below me and there stands a nice doe.  I
    quickly get ready, light pin on, arrow holder out of the way and release 
    attached to bow string while she move toward the apple tree.  I placed 
    some Wall Hanger gel on one of the limbs of apple tree and it apeared
    the doe had just got a wiff.  The nose goes in the air and she starts
    looking around.  I don't know if she was smelling the wall hanger or me
    but she look real nervous.  I didn't dare draw on here while I could
    see her eye.  All I could do is wait for her to move again and she did.
    She moved to one of the shooting lanes and stood there slightly
    quartering away.  When she made her previous move, I came to full draw
    so it was just a matter of settling the pin on the vitals and let fly.
    The arrow flew true and found it's mark and continued through and stuck
    in the ground.  I knew I had a good hit as I sat and listened.  A few
    seconds go by and I hear the crash I was hoping to hear.  An easy
    hundred yrd. tracking job and there she lie.    
    
    Back to Vt. this weekend to fill another tag.... 
    

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CSOA1::VANDENBARK "Makes me happy!"                  38 lines  16-OCT-1995 21:21
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    What:	Wild Turkey
    Weight:	About 10-12lbs
    Time:	8:00am
    With:	Buckmaster Bob's old Spoiler plus
    Arrow:	2413 w/125gr Wasp HI-Tech
    Range:	22 yards
    Called:	Used my mouth, purrs, and a few cuts
    
    I got into my tree stand on Saturday in Ky and had a deer go by about
    10 yards away in the dark(my buddy scared him to me).  The wind started
    whirling right away and I knew all was lost in hopes of seeing the nice
    buck I missed last week.  I decided to hang around and try for a
    turkey.
    
    About 7:45am I heard a turkey cluck from a cedar thicket about 65 yards
    to my left.  I let out a couple of clucks with a high pitched soft
    series of yelps.  She clucked a few more times and I did the same.  She
    then pitched out of the tree and flew right by me and landed on the
    ground about 25 yards out.  There were branches in the way so I
    couldn't draw.  She came a little closer and turned around and started 
    scratching.  I drew my bow and bent down to shoot under the branches. 
    It was then that I remembered the nice buck I missed last week.  I
    concentrated on my spot and released.  The arrow went right in her back
    and she dropped without so much as a flutter.  I waited in the tree for
    about 10 minutes and 3 other turkeys flew down about 80 yards out. 
    They were calling to the hen, so I called to them.  They came my way
    and flew up into the trees around me!  The closest one was about 15
    yards!  It was really neat.  They flew down about an hour later and
    moved off.  I climbed down, tagged the turkey and hung her in a tree so
    the coyotes wouldn't get her.  I started still hunting for deer and
    rounded the top of the hill to have the same turkeys come walking by
    about 18 yards.  I never saw any deer that day but when I checked it
    in, the guy at the checkin station said it was the only turkey he had
    ever checked in with a bow (my county opened only 2 years ago).
    
    Guess what I am having for supper tomorrow?
    
    Wess

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POBOX::ROGERS "hard on the wind again"               58 lines  18-OCT-1995 16:25
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    whitetail doe
    130lbs
    Carbon Extreme
    composite arrow
    beman three blade
    20yrds
    7:10am
    light rain, warm and windy
    Michigan's UP DMU #010
    
    The opener, and a "herd" of deer to choose from. I picked this one
    because of the angle. The goal is to reduce the doe population which is
    runaway in the UP. The deer kicked out lick a mule at arrow strike. It
    ran 70-80 yards. I must admit to hurrying this shot. As the process of
    getting set was ardous with so many eyes to watch for. None of the deer
    figured it out. After the shot, some stood around blowing and snorting.
    I had to give them time to get out of dodge as I did not want ot betray
    this primo ambush spot.
    
    whitetail #2
    130lb
    same place, 6:05pm.
    same bow, arrow #2 (of three carried)
    
    This one came in just before dark. I believe, from the direction, it
    was one of the ones that left before I shot. None of the rest showed
    up. I didn't really expect any would. Shot it as it was walking
    straight away from under my tree. It leaped sideways to the left and
    took off. The arrow just missed the spine and drove thought the heart
    before exiting the chest low and center. This deer painted a three inch
    wide trail of blood throught the woods for 60 yards.
    
    whitetail #3
    6:10pm
    300yds away from my stand
    Olivia Diamond
    first hunt, first day,
    130lb doe
    XI Prodigy
    Browning Mirage 5030 carbon arrow
    Muzzy 90gr four blade
    25yds, quartering towards shot
    
    Olivia is a target shooter of some expertise, who has decided that
    buying your meat in a store is simply paying someone else to do the
    killing. She eats meat and with the philosophical point disposed of
    decided to take a hand in the wildlife management effort in the UP.
    
    Her shot was a beauty. Did she get buck (doe) fever? Yep. she could not
    draw the bow at first, She thought that I had increased the poundage in
    a dirty trick. I wouldna do that. After the first three deer left, she
    tried again on the three remaining. she picked a "medium" doe. Her
    arrow entered just above the nearside shoulder and exited just in front
    of the diaphram very low on the right side. The doe went 30yds.
    
    Eight hours in the stands and we have finished all of our early season
    tags. We both have bonus tags that are valid after 11/15. The freezer
    is 60% full.  This is a very good year I'de say.                  

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NCMAIL::GEIBELL "FISH NAKED"                         93 lines  24-OCT-1995 08:11
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      What: young buck
      where: pennsy
      when: 10/18/95 5:15pm
      with: Golden eagle cam hunter @ 62 lb 32" xx75 superlite 2514
            savora 3 blade 117 gr broadhead
      distance: 6 yrds
      traveled: 100 yrds
      hit: thru back into liver, exited thru stomach 
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      what: small spike buck
      Where: pennsy
      When: 10/21/95 7:03 am
      With: above mentioned equipment
      distance: 4 yrds 
      traveled: 30 yrds
      hit: quartering away, both lungs and the top of the heart
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       The whole week was just unreal, the night i got to camp mom was
    waiting there for me she said butch called a little while ago he hit a 
    buck and wants you to help him track it. i met him at 11 pm and went
    out where he shot it at. it wasnt a pretty ending but we did get the
    deer, it took a step just as he shot and he gut shot it. at 2:30 am i
    found the buck laying on a tram road, still alive but not able to go
    very well at all.
      several ways of putting the deer down crosed my mind, but those
    things didnt get put into action because he jumped into the clearcut, I 
    jumped in with him because it had just started raining and i had to
    keep him in sight or we'd loose him. well a wrestling match started
    with me basically getting the tar wooped outa me by all the brush and
    briars, I already had ahold of the antlers and there was NO WAY i was
    letting them go at that point, so i drug him outa the brush onto the
    tram road so butch could help. we finally put the deer down for good,
    it was butchs first archery buck, and a dandy by any means, 7 pt with a
    14" inside spread.
    
      I sat everyday all day except for about an hour for lunch, by
    saturday i had raspberries on my cheeks from setting so much! I saw
    bucks every day, the earliest i saw one in the morning except for the
    one i shot was 8:45 am. and during the evening prime time i only saw 1
    buck friday night, altho i did have a couple come in just as it was too
    dark to shoot, other than that the best buck sighting times were
    9:00am - 3 pm.
      
       Wed. afternoon i was setting in the stand when i hear a deer
    crashing down over the hill and she runs right under the stand and
    stops about 60 yrds away, i stand and turn hoping there is a buck
    chasing her, but al i can see is 5 other deer walking down the hill 
    all doe.
      I hear a twig snap and turn around and here comes a nice sized deer
    walking back up towards me, so i slowly turn and it walks right up to
    about 6 yards, i slowly draw set the pin and release the hit was about
    2" farther back on his back than i wanted it, he bolted at the hit and
    ran up thru the woods and i could hear him crash down. i said a quiet
    thank you and sat back down. from that point on i couldnt leave the
    stand because of deer, it was 8:45pm before they left, no i wanna tell
    ya after setting in a stand for 13 hours my @ss was SORE! found the
    deer and returned with the truck.
     
      Saturday morning i had just looked at my watch and it was just about
    7 am but it was still fairly dark (real dismal dreary day) just after i 
    covered my watch and settled in for another day of waiting i hear a
    deer crahing down the hill and run into the grapevines behind me, i
    slowly turn my head and here he comes about 15 yrds away i can finally 
    see him he walked out almost from under my stand, he stopped at 4 yrds
    quartering away, i slowly draw but then i realise if i shoot the bottom
    limb of the bow is gonna thump the stand, so i raise my right leg up
    lean to the left, well the anchor feels right set the pin and release 
    he bolts at the shot goes 30 yrds and falls over! well now that puts a 
    quick end to the day, and believe me my butt wasnt the least bit upset!
    went and got the truck and took him up to the road to do the field
    dressing chores.
       A pretty good week, i saw 97 deer from that stand 5 different bucks
    one buck (the six pt) i saw at least 3 times every day. the one thing i
    did notice that one of the groups of deer that came by me every morning 
    and evening consisted of 7 adault doe all had twins, so there were 14
    fawns, 11 of them were male, only 3 female fawns. I told my step dad
    that if he wanted i would really appriciate it if he filled a tag on 
    one of those young bucks so i can keep the ratio in check.
    
       well now to try for one in NY, but its back to camp for another week
    for turkey season. gonna go have some fun with the birds. wouldnt mind
    one of the birds that flew up in my tree with me friday night, that was
    awsome having a turkey fly right up above my head and set no more than
    10 feet above me.
    
    
                                                     Lee
    

    
    What  :    Button-Buck
    Weight:    80
    Time  :    10:30 a.m.
    Where :    Fremont, N.H.
    Gun   :    T/C 54cal Renegade
    Distance:  9 yds
    
    Quick season...The meat is in the ice-box..Now off to Vermont then to
    Mass.
    
    Good-Luck to All!
    
    Rick
    

    
    Congrats Rick.
    
    Gus

type:  		mulie spike buck
weight:		~150lbs 
when:		10/21/95  10 am
where:		unit 49
method:		.270 with 130 gr bt pills
How far:	~250 yards
Travelled	spun 180 degrees and crashed on impact
where hit:	head


This was the first year for my son Matt to get to hunt big game and he was 
with me.  We had driven through this area of scrub oak and pinion pine laced
draws the day before and had a 5x5 mulie within feet of us off the road.
Matt wanted that buck bad, season starts the next day.  Anyway we needed to
pick a high point to see over this cover.  Next morning we go back and there 
is a hunter on nearly every rock and high point.  Didn't look good.  We were
able to find a rock formation that gave us protection and a great view of
a couple of draws.  Lots of does walk past us all morning and no shooting close
by.  Most hunters have left by 9:30 and are driving the roads.  Matt suggests
trying another spot and I say to give it a little longer.  Well soon three 
does and the spike walk out of the cover and stand broadside to us on the
side of the ridge.  I tell Matt that the buck is a spike and he should look at
it.  He checks it out and says he'll pass, he wants to shoot a bigger one.
I check it out for a while and determine it is good size body wise and go 
ahead and take it with a head shot.  It also is within 100 feet of the trail
and able to drive to.  Matt helped me clean it and load it in the truck.
We hunted hard the rest of the season and it was the only buck we saw.  

    Congrats to everyone on your harvests to date!
    With regards to the note in 270.580, would you please elaborate on the
    line:
    
    <<<We both have bonus tags that are valid after 11/15.>>>
    
    What is a bonus tag?  I've never heard of such a thing, but it sounds
    like something I might like to have.
    
    Safe hunting,
    
    Rick