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    remingtons 1991 ??? classic will be chambered for the 25-06 in a
    limited edition run.
    
    Is that what you were talking about???
    
    fra

    Maybe 92'. Who know's. Maybe it won't be Remington at all. I just
    speculated. I have a brother who's interested in and has been watching
    for articles about this chambering. His pretty excited to hear about a
    production model. Cost would be more in-line for him than a custom job.
    If anyone hear's anything please update this note. We'd appreciate it!
    
    Pg

    Not much different from the 35 Whelen. Your brother could
    certainly do worse. Then again, if his heart is set, what the
    heck. Personally, I'd rather have a 338. Winchester Magnum,
    enough extra powder capacity to add boost. Or a 340 Weatherby
    :-) Now that's a gun!
    
    Is there some particular reason for  the 338-'06 ? A particular
    bullet that he wants to use ? (I seem to recall the 338-06 was
    popular 'cause Nosler didn't make the Partition in 35 cal. The
    ole memory being what it is...)
    
    I'd be more inclined to believe that someone will commercialize
    the 8mm-'06. Lot of guns out there for it.

    Yesterday I picked up the Petersen's 1991 Hunting Annual. In there is a
    discussion about the mid "30's". The author (G. Sitton) talks alot
    about the .35 Whelen and the .338/06. There is also an article called
    Back to the Future, talking mainly about different metals and
    synthetics stocks. In this particular article they show a picture of a
    Custom Remington 700, weighs 7.25 lbs and chambered for .338/06. It's a
    very impressive caliber. Also Fra the 25/06 is already chambered in the
    Remington 700 BDL but the 700 Classic is chambered only in 25/06. I
    would guess that the .338/06 is only available as a custom rather than
    production run at this time but with it's growing popularity it should
    become a production run caliber before too long.
    							Bret

    Gentlemen, I can't explain my brothers fascination with the 338/06. But
    then again, what drives most of us to one particular chambering when
    others similar will do. I know as a Wildcat, (don't we love that name
    and the images it conjers up!), it got some good press recently. I
    think it was Wooters who said it would go production. He's pretty good.
    He's been around a long time and has a big following. I'll have to pick
    up Petersen's 91 Annual and see what Sitton has to say.
    
    Pg

    re: .4
    
    Bret,
    
    I was aware that the 25-06 was chambered in the BDL and ADL, but the 
    author was asking about the Classic Series.  For the 1991 run, the 
    Classic will be chambered in 25-06.
    
    It is my understanding that each year they chamber the classic in a
    different caliber, I recall that a few years back they chambered it in
    300H&H for a limited run, and back in 87 they chambered it in a limited
    run of .338 Win Mag.
    
    Fra
    
    
    
    

    Ignoring the fact that it's suppose to burn out barrels in 2,000 round,
    pierce your ear drums and let's go with an incredible muzzel flash, is
    there any support out there for the .264 Win. Mag. showing up in their
    Classic series? Remember the 60's advertisment, " it makes a hell'uva
    noise and packs a hell'uva wallop". I always though this caliber would
    catch on out west with high velocities and small bullets for those
    antelope and Coues (?) deer. But then again, when the .338 came out at
    about the same time I thought that it WOULD'NT catch on. Where the hell
    was I. Anybody out west ever shot anything BIG, like Elk, Bear or Moose
    with either of these cartridges?
    
    Pg

	On the subject of the 338/06 in general. I can certainly
	understand if somebody would like old Betsy rebarrelled
	and considers the 338/06. To me it seems a good alternative
	if you have a standard length action and a standard (i.e.
	30-06) bolt face. Then the rechambering/rebarrelling (sp?)
	could be done with a minimum of work, no bolt face to
	open up, no action/magazine to open up etc. And you
	would still get a lot of wallop out of a standard size
	case. Until a couple of years ago, 338 bullets were also
	available in a lot more styles and weights than the .35
	cal (although that seems to be changing with the .35
	Whelen being commercialised).

	It would be nice if the 338/06 was made commercial. But
	until then it is still a wildcat. Given that, maybe a
	better option would be the 338/06 Improved. That will
	give you a bit more case capacity, which I find is badly
	needed for those heavy bullets. You could still just
	neck up your 30-06 cases to .338, and then you would 
	have to load fireform loads, but in a pinch a "standard"
	338/06 load would also fire safely in your rifle. This is the
	way I would probably go if was going for a wildcat anyway.
	You would approach the .338 Mag better with an improved
	version.


							- Mike

    re. 6 Fra,
        The 25/06 is not available in the Remington ADL, but is available
    in the BDL. I am not a Remington owner so I don't really know much
    about their Classic rifle offerings. According to the catalogue I have
    for this year anyways the Clasic is only chambered for 25/06. Anyways
    back to the .338/06 the ballistics are quite impressive. Although it
    does not shoot quite as flat as a 30/06 it is quite close. I first
    heard about it 3-4 years ago and really didn't think much of it at the
    time. The same goes for the .35 Whelen but look at the comeback this
    round has made. It looks like the 30/06 case has set quite the
    precedence for wildcats. The .264 looks like a good round but there
    isn't much of a bullet selection.
    							Bret

    Re: 7
    
    You're right, the .264 has a bit of blast, more than a bit of nudge.
    The original weapons did burn out tubes then the 700 was sent out
    with stainless steel tubes which seemed to help quite a bit. I found
    my .264 in '75-'76, it still shoots better than I do, I just checked
    it yesterday as I was lucky enough to pick up my second antelope
    tag here in Colorado. The overall biggest problem I've seen is brass
    stretching on initial firing. After the first one, they stay within
    limits.
    
    I once read that the .264 was indeed set up for the wide open spaces
    out here, in fact I believe that one .264 was dubbed "The Westerner"
    or some such. My own rifle has taken one elk (140 grn. slug) and
    did a good job of it. 
    
    I haven't harvested anything with the .338 yet but I keep dreaming
    about it. It does a bodacious job on tree stumps. 
    
    As far as the .264 being made up as a Classic, I believe that 
    Winchester did something similar in the Model 70 3-4 years back.
    Sales from that effort might have a say in Remington's thinking.
    I have observed at gun shows that the .264 seems to be a steady
    item if not wildly popular.
    
    'gards,
    Bill