Conference vicki::boats

    
    The answer is easy.  Register it in Minnesota, stick it on the St
    Croix, and give me a call.  How you doing, Kubota-san?
    
    I'm getting into the boating stuff now too.  I'll buying a 10-year old
    Terry, modified tri-hull, 16 ft.  with 90 HP Merc.  My nephew knows the
    previous owner, vouches for his taking care of it, and besides, the
    price was within my range.  Bought it so the kids and I could do more
    water-skiing.  Plan on storing it at T. Steck's using Frankel's lift.
    Whenever you're in the area let us know.
    
    P.S.  Distributed your info.  Any responses?
    
    Rod 

    Here another question. Do you need to register a inflateble dingy
    seperately form the mother vessel if the boat is U.S. Documented??
    
    I hear yes and no, Hp. limits, Usage limits, Ect... Does anyone
    know for sure???
    
    How about transom mounting v.s. front deck mounting ? pros & con's
    ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
    

    If the tender is only used to get from the mother ship to the closest
    point of shore, then the answer is no, it doesn't have to be
    registered.
    
    If you use the dinghy for anything else, like to run to other than
    the closest point of shore, the marine patrol/harbor master can
    hit you with having an unregistered boat. 
    
    Usually it's safest to get the boat registered.
    
    /jim 

    Per the "LEGAL REQUIREMENTS" chapter--- "Boats propelled by machinery
    and operated on the navigable waters of the United States must be
    numbered, regardless of length and whether fitted with an inboard
    or outboard engine. This numbering requirement excludes boats used
    exclusively for racing and vessels documented as yachts."
    
    That means ANYTHING with a motor, even an electric trolling motor
    must be registered. It even includes tenders, inflatables and canoes.
    
    DOCUMENTING OF VESSELS:
    "Under navigation laws administered by the U.S. Coast Guard, a vessel
    of five net tons or over owned by a citizen of the United States
    and used exclusively for pleasure may be documented as a yacht.
    A documented yacht must display her name and hailing port on some
    conspicuous portion ot the hull, usually the stern, and her official
    number must be permanently marked on some clearly visible INTERIOR
    part of the hull forward of amidships."
    
    That means if your boat is documented, it is with the Coast Guard
    and does NOT need state registration regardless of where you go,
    live, etc. (Be sure you register your tender.)
    
    This is out of the U.S.C.G. Auxiliary manual on Legal Requirements
    that I teach for the Auxiliary. Its the best source of info I can
    find.
    
    Hope this clears it up for you.
    
    Don
    

    	I need some info on trailer registration.  I bought a boat without
    trailer and I need one to get it home.  I have a lead on a trailer
    but need to get that home to work on before I load the boat on it.
    My question is what do I need to do just to get the trailer home ie.,
    MUST I have a plate on it, can I put a plate from another trailer or
    just tie a red flag on it?  The lights don't work either but I've been
    told that's okay in the daytime because without a boat on it, the
    vehicles taillights can be seen.  If I must register it, what's the
    procedure and cost?  
    
    	(I live in MA and just getting into boating)
    
    Thanks for any answers -
    
    Andy -

    	The legal way to tow the trailer home is:

    		1) register it 
    		2) Put license plates on it
    		3) wire up the lights
    		4) tow it home

    	An illegal way is:

    		1) attach a plate from another trailer
    		2) Tow it home


    	An illegal way which more than likely will yield blue lights is:

    		1) tow it home

    	One other legal method (if the trailer's not too big) is:

    		1) put it in the back of a pickup and use your red flag
    			on the tongue of the trailer.

    	BTW: I don't think it's legal to tow the trailer w/o lights,
    	even though it's probably pretty safe since the tow vehicles
    	lights are readily seen....
    
    	Rick

    It is legal to tow a trailer in the daytime if the tail/brake lights
    of the towing vehicle are visible. Even though this is the law, if
    I were going to pull a trailer without lights, I would definitely
    register it, because it wouldn't surprise me to get pulled over by
    someone questioning the no-lights, and I'd want it legal.
    
    
    
    				steve

    
      It's NOT legal in Mass or NH to tow a trailer that doesn't have
    working lights.
    
       If you hook up the lights and borrow a plate, you shouldn't have
    any problems getting anywhere.
    
    Legally you must:	Register the trailer (have a plate on it)
    			Hook up the lights
    
    
    					Kenny

re  Getting the trailer home.

	How big is it and how far do you have to move it ?  I might be
able to put it INTO my utility trailer, we've done this with a log
splitter that is meant to be towed as a trailer.

	R

You didn't say where you are located, I don't think, but in Mass make sure you
visit your insurance office first. You can't register it until the insurance
company has filled out the proper paperwork and stamped it. It must registered/
insured with a particular vehicle. Basic liability is "free" and is included on
the tow vehicle's insurance policy.

john

    Sorry about the previous reply - - network path to node was lost...
    
    1. Buy lights.
    
    2. Buy 2x4.
    
    3. Register trailer + get plate.
    
    4. Attach 1 and 3 to 2.
    
    5. Bunjie cord assembly to trailer and bring home.
    
    6. Add boat.
    
    7. Remove lights before dipping trailer and boat in H2O.
    
    8. Note interesting possibilities if more than one trailer of the
       same color is owned.
    
    Permanently attaching lights to a boat trailer is a complete waste
    of good equipment and your time.
    
    Carl

    re: .-1
    
    Yeah, I found out the hard way by wasting a trip to the registry to
    find the trailer had to be insured (WHY??????????).
    
    Also, the Mass registry within the last few years has instituted a new
    process to catch sales tax evaders on private sales.  Used to be that
    you could buy a trailer for $500 from a good buddy who would then give
    you a notizarized bill of sale for $1 so you'd pay a nickel sales tax
    instead of $25.
    
    Well they dropped the notarization requirement, since that didn't prove
    anything.  But now you get to see this special "private sale sales tax"
    person who has an office full of blue books and other data so they can
    check out what the approximate price of what you bought should be.   If
    there's a big discrepancy, you get to fill out an affidavit stating
    what the "other considerations" were (like if you swapped something for
    the trailer, or chopped wood for the seller, etc).  You then get taxed
    on the value of these "other considerations".  I don't know what
    happens if it still doesn't add up to anything near the value.

    I found by asking the N.H. Registry (I had never heard of one before)
    that I could get a 3 day temporary trailer plate for a couple of $ - 
    only good for new purchase, about to happen and for some reason, had
    to be put on the trailer w/in 24 hrs of picking it up.
    Have you checked to see if Mass has something equivalent?
    
    
    Bill
    

    	I was the person in 17.5 asking about registration.  Thanks for all
    the good input.  I've since got a plate which required attachment to a
    specific vehicle for insurance coverage (doesn't cost additonal).  The
    registry required bill of sale stating trailer manufacturer, serial
    number, year of manufacture, capacity (boat plus trailer weight) and
    the insurance company form.  Since I only paid $25 for it, the seller
    listed why on the bill of sale ie., cracked frame, flat tire and 
    inoperative lights.
    
    Thanks again
    
    Andy
    

    I did what note 17.12 said to do.  I bought a cheap set of
    non-waterproof trailer lights (one had a license plate holder
    attached).  I attached them to each end of a five foot long 2 x
    4.  I nailed some old carpetting to the back of the 2 x 4 to keep
    from scratching anything.  I made a wiring harness which is about
    20 feet long.  I simply bungie cord it to the back of the trailer
    and take it off when I'm ready to launch.  I also use it on another
    trailer I have.  I also let my brother-in-law use it (minus the
    plate) to put on the back of vehicle that he was towing behind his
    motorhome.  Simple and cheap.
    Wayne

    Geez, Wayne,
    
    You could have borrowed mine!
    
    Carl

I have a boat regetered in Mass., which I would like to take to Lake George in
New York. Is there any special permit required in NY or Lk G.

Also - Where can I buy charts for Lk George ?

Thanks in Advance

Bob...

    From what I hear, every state requires their own registration.  
    
    I live in NH and frequently boat in MA.  The boat is registered in
    NH, but I'm told that I also need to register it in MA if I plan to 
    boat there.  Fortunately, I've never been stopped in MA, but I don't
    expect my luck to last forever.
    
    I've been told that MA requires you to pay sales tax in order to 
    register the boat, but as a NH resident, I'm not convinced that it's
    reasonable for them to make me pay the tax.  Does anyone have
    non-resident registration experience? 

    
    Re: -1
    
    Up until now...or maybe 1991, to boat in MA you needed to
    register the boat in MA, which meant paying %5 sales tax.
    You also have to pay $30 for a sticker and a $15 title charge.
    The laws are about to change, or so I've heard.  MA will be
    reciprocal.
    
    I just registered my boat in MA.  I live in New Hampshire.  To 
    get the real scoop, call the Division of Law Enforcement in 
    Boston @ (617)727-3900.
                                                 
    Please tell us what they say, I'm curious.
    
    Jeanne
    
    

    My son and I frequently boat in Mass. and are registered only in
    NH.  LAST YEAR, my son was stopped by the Mass. registry for doing
    more than headway speed in a channel, (luckly no ticket, only a
    warning).  The officer never said anything about the NH registration.
    
    Another way around the Mass. requirements is to register your boat
    in Maine.  Mass does recognize a Maine registration and as a NH
    resident, the Maine registration only costs $4.00!

    
    
    As far I as know and this was a couple years ago,  if you can show that
    your boat has been registered in NH for more than 6 months than the 
    sales tax will be waved.  Call the registry and ask them.
    
    

    
    I called the Mass Fish and Wild Life, Division of Law Enforcement this
    morning.  I learned that:
    
    NH made some movement towards being reciprocal last year.  Mass
    decided to accept NH registrations, but didn't like it because NH was
    charging the inland users fee
    
    NH has decided to become fully reciprocal as of 1/1/91.  At that point
    NH will accept the registrations of other states without additional
    fees or hand-waiving.
    
    Until 1/1/91, Mass is NOT accepting NH registrations.  You must
    register your boat in Mass, or *I assume* in another state such as
    Maine that is reciprocal.
    
    Kevin
    
    

     I usually don't talk like this, and I was going to stay out of
    this (I notice Rick W. has too! - That's what you get for becoming
    a moderator!)
    
    Don't read further unless you want to see *everyone* blasted!
    
    Much flame.....
    
     This is all the biggest bunch of crap I have ever heard. You are
    *required* BY FEDERAL law (CG) to register in the state where ths
    boat is *USED* the most! It does not matter where it sits on the
    trailer (that's right out of Chapman's) - it matters where it's
    used!!! So they say if you use the boat more than X (let's just
    say 60) days then you're supposed to register in their state. What
    if I use my boat 90 days in one state and 120 days in another? You
    CANNOT register your boat in two states! The CG does not want 2
    (or more) sets of numbers on a boat. 
       So what if a NH resident wants to use his boat ONE DAY in MASS.
    he can't right? He has to register in Mass. right? How can he? You
    can't have 2 sets of numbers on your boat. Mass does NOT have a
    temporary or out-of-state type of registration; so there's nothing
    you can do right? Well that's right, but there's nothing *THEY*
    can do either. That crap the Mass guy handed you about NH starting
    to be reciprocal last year is baloney! ALL out of state boats HAD
    to get an out of state sticker to use their boat in NH last year.
    The only reason Mass was allowing NH boats in was because they had
    NO alternative - JUST LIKE NOW! And the only reason NH is going
    to allow other states in next year is because they are getting so
    much pressure from the other states and the CG. No other states
    have out of state stickers or reg because only NH (in this region)
    wasn't reciprocal! So by definition, no other states can be reciprocal
    with NH as long as NH requires the sticker! The reason it worked
    before is because NH had that little license plate, so there WAS
    room for real BOW numbers from another state - there isn't now.
    
       The other part about it that's CRAP is that this reciprocal stuff
    only applies to INLAND waters. ALL tidal(any place that's affected
    by the tide) waters are the juristiction of the CG and you can use
    your boat on ANY tidal waters as long as it is registered *somewhere*.
    
    Call up someone *else* in Mass and you'll probably get a different
    story. A number of people had already called folks in the Mass DMRV
    and had been told that yes they WOULD accept NH reg. this year.
    And that was THIS spring!
    
    Flame off (I guess)
    
      It would never hold up in court (if they wrote you) of course
    the hassle etc. of going that far probably wouldn't be worth it.
    I'll be glad when there's NO question about it.
    
    				Kenny
       

  
    
    >>>No other states have out of state stickers or reg because only NH 
    >>>(in this region)  wasn't reciprocal! 
    
    I wish I knew this before I got a Maine temporary sticker for my boat
    this spring :-)

    
    	We are dealing with 2 different issues.
    
    	1. The question of NH accepting out of state registration
    	   or being reciprocal. 
    
    	   NH does accept out of state registration. They do comply with
    	   policy for reciprocal agreements.
    
    
    	2. Water Use fee, the state is forcing out of staters to get a
    	   sticker to have access to inland waters.
           This is were the stink is.....
    
    	   Mass is upset because someone else beat them at there own game
    	   of TAXES.
    
    	Maine does accept NH registration, they state that the boat cannot
    	be in the state greater than 60 days, either in the water or on the
    	trailer. (so far I haven't seen any metermaids keeping count.)
    
    
    	Just my .02 worth
    
    	Mike
    
    

RE: Note 17.26

>> Mass is upset because someone else beat them at there own game
>> of TAXES.

I was originally from Massachusetts but moved to NH two years ago,
partially to get away from the Mass politics, taxes, and all the b.s.
that goes along with it.  With that said, I just want to say that in 
no way, shape, or form is this non-reciprocity issue the fault of 
Massachusetts.  As much I like NH, the state is not perfect and on 
this issue has totally dropped the ball.  When NH requires a separate
registration, user fee, or whatever you want to call it, no other
state can be faulted for not accepting NH registrations.

I have called the Mass marine registry twice this year, and both times
was told that they *are* accepting NH registrations.  I think that is 
pretty damned generous of them, considering the fact that their neighbor
to the north will not reciprocate.

The misconception that Massachusetts is somehow responsible for this 
mess has been mentioned numerous times in this notes conference.  
Hopefully we can put this to rest next year when NH becomes reciprocal.
Now if they could only do something about those %$#* Mass income taxes 
that I still have to pay!   :^(

Rick W.

    
      Whatever it may have sounded like I said, I agree with Rick. It
    is NH that has messed things up for people from other states with
    *their* way of collecting *taxes*.
    
       I DO however, fault Mass if they say they will accept NH reg,
    and then change their minds at a later date without *somehow* informing
    boaters of the fact.
    
    Kenny_who's_boat_is_registered_in_NH_but_keeps_it_in_Mass_on_the_trailer

    Just a little gas (no lead of course) on the reciprocity fire.......
    First my biases, I am a NH resident with a boat registered in NH.
    NH taxes are primarily user fees, the goal is to recover 100 % of the
    cost of providing services (and maybe a little more). The idea was that
    NH had the recreational facilities (Wini, Sunapee, Newfound, etc,) and
    Mass had plenty of people and money. It just didn't make sense to honor
    out of state registrations, NH provided the service and Mass collected
    the fee. I think that there is some merit to this argument today.
    Friday nights on 93 and 3 north bound, lots of boats. South bound ?
    Empty. I guess from this note that there a several NH boaters that want
    to run in Mass, my guess is that you are a real minority. 
    The interesting thing will be to see what happens to the boat
    registration revenue levels a year or two after 1/1/91. Remember, NH
    taxes are user fees. If the service demand is constant and the number
    or fee payers is fewer than those left will make up the lost revenue.
    Or drop the idea of reciprocity.

    re:                       <<< Note 17.18 by JENRAN::RBROWN >>>
                             -< Mass => New York >-

> New York. Is there any special permit required in NY or Lk G.


    	Hey, did anyone really answer this question? Maybe, but I'm
    just back from vacation, so excuse me...

    	New York and Mass are fully reciprocal so you are more than welcome
    to put your Mass registered boat in Lake George. As for charts, I just
    stop by any marina on the lake.

    Have fun...

    Rick

    	{And there I was driving down 495 yesterday when I spotted and
    beautiful Ski Nautique towed by a 'Burb..........Hmmmmm.....}

re                <<< Note 17.30 by KAHALA::SUTER "Sunny and 80!" >>>

>    Rick

>    	{And there I was driving down 495 yesterday when I spotted and
>    beautiful Ski Nautique towed by a 'Burb..........Hmmmmm.....}


	Gee, that's funny     there I was, driving down 495 last night 
-  not on the way back from a gumball that you weren't at, or anything 
like that;  when a Dodge Dakota passed me  - -  driven by a guy who 
looked a bit like you, grinnin' and wavin'   I said to Ann,  

"That ain't who I think it is, is it ?"   she said,

"Nah, he woulda run us off the road for the 12 pack by now if it had 
been him"  (-:, (-:

	Reg

RE: 30

Thanks...

I will be going up there later in the summer. This is my fourth year, but first
with a boat.

There are many marinas on the lake, we are close to "Chics".

Thanks again,

Bob...

    In relation to the question on Lake George, it is my understanding from
    reading an article in Small Boat Journal, that any 'thru-hull'
    waste water discharges, Head or Galley sink, MUST be SEALED. 'Course
    depending on the size of the boat, this may not be an issue.
    
    Fred D.

    Well it's 1991 and my NH boat registration is up for renewal. My
    renewal form says that NH is reciprocal with many states, call the boat
    desk for details. The NH boat desk doesn't know if MA is accepting NH
    registrations though, so I call the Div. of law Enforcement in Boston.
    The gentleman there says that if you plan to use inland MA waters you
    need a MA registration. If you use tidal waters, then any registration
    will do [which I knew anyways]. So much for MA & NH going reciprocal as
    of 1-1-1991. 
    
    I didn't ask about registrations from Maine because I spend a *lot* of
    time passing NH Marine Patrols, NH is my primary use state.
    
    ~jeff 
                 

RE: 17.34 

New Hampshire is now fully reciprocal with all other states, other 
than the lone holdout which I believe is Washington.  There's no need 
to check with Massachusetts to see if they'll accept the NH registration.
Even last year Mass was reluctantly accepting NH registrations, despite
the fact that NH was not reciprocal.  

The only way the person you talked with could be right is if you're
boat will be used in Mass more than 60 days per year.  Even then, they
don't have any official "counters" to see if you use the boat 65 days 
per year with a NH registration (boy will I catch it now from the same
noters who were ready to have me arrested for not registering my handheld
VHF radio!).  But since you said NH is your primary use state, that's 
the only place your boat should be registered.

If you really need to hear that Mass and NH are reciprocal from a Mass 
official, call back and tell them you want to talk with a supervisor.
I think the person you talked with was mis-informed.

(outlaw) Rick

There were signs up all over the New England Boat Show informing people that NH
is now reciprocal as long as you are boating for no more than 30 days in a row
in their inland waters. 

john

RE: Note 17.36   
>> NH is now reciprocal as long as you are boating for no more than 30 
>> days in a row in their inland waters.

I saw the signs too and am glad NH (my home state) has joined the rest
of the free world.   Of course the new rule is pretty ridiculous in the 
sense that anyone who can *afford* to go boating 30 days in a row can 
also afford to pay any registration fee that's asked of them.

Rick

    I keep my boat on Lake Monomanak (sp?) which is half in Mass. and half
    in N.H.  I am a N.H. resident.  My boat gets docked at my friends camp
    which is in Mass.  He is a Mass. resident.  If the boats stay there all
    summer (assuming I ever get mine back in the water), do we still have
    to register them in both states?  What if I pull mine out for a week
    before the 30 days is up and then put it back?  This may sound like I'm 
    being picky but Lake Monomanak has been very well patrolled the last
    couple of years so if you don't do it right, they will find you.
    Thanks, Wayne

    I think you're all set Wayne.  Both NH and MA registrations
    have always (for a long time anyway) been accepted on Lake
    Monomonac.  I don't see any reason why that should change now
    that the states are reciprocal.
    
    This would seem logical, but logic doesn't always play a part
    in state politics.  You could try calling the Marine Division
    in Boston to be sure.
    
    Rick

    Two years ago when my friend bought his boat (in N.H.), the boat dealer
    sold him a N.H. registration and told him that he would be fine on Lake
    Momomanak with only a N.H. registration.  The Mass. Marine patrol gave
    him a summons shortly thereafter and he had to register in Mass. and
    pay a Mass. sales tax.  He even had to go to court to show evidence
    that he registered the boat and payed the tax.  Last year he took no
    chances and registered in both states.  I don't know what he intends on
    doing this year.  Does any one know where to call to ask such
    questions?
    Thanks, Wayne

    
    Marine Division Boston Office:
    
    617-727-3900
    
    Make sure you're speaking to someone knowledgeable, preferably
    a supervisor.  You'll often get conflicting answers.
    
    Rick

    NH Dept of Safety Services (ie Marine Patrol)
    (603)293-0091
    
    

    
    re: Wayne
    
    >Momomanak with only a N.H. registration.  The Mass. Marine patrol gave
    >him a summons shortly thereafter and he had to register in Mass. and
    >pay a Mass. sales tax.  He even had to go to court to show evidence
    
    	If he is a Mass resident, then he definately had to pay Mass
    their sales tax. As for the Mass registration, I think he could
    have pushed to get around that.
    
    	As we all know the NH lake cop honored my Mass registration
    last year on Province lake, as part of the lake is in Maine.
    
    	Rick

    
    >Two years ago when my friend bought his boat (in N.H.), the boat dealer
    >sold him a N.H. registration and told him that he would be fine on Lake
    >Momomanak with only a N.H. registration.  The Mass. Marine patrol gave
    >him a summons shortly thereafter and he had to register in Mass. and
    >pay a Mass. sales tax.  He even had to go to court to show evidence
    >that he registered the boat and payed the tax.
    
    Does he live in MA? I can see where he might get in trouble if he had
    a NH registration with a MA address listed. If the address on the
    registration was in NH then I would say he got screwed.
    
    Doug.
    

    He lives in Mass and his camp is on the part of the lake that is in
    Mass.  I don't think that there was ever any question that he needed to
    register in Mass and pay the sales tax but the boat dealer (Wilderness
    Marine in Amherst) should have been a little more helpfull especially
    for the first time boat buyer.
    Thanks all for the phone numbers.  I'm going to give both of them a
    call.  It will be interesting if they give the same answers.
    Wayne

    Doesn't/didn't NH have those silly little license plates for inland
    waters, and CG numbers for tidal waters?  The license plate would
    probably not be sufficient in Mass but the NH CG numbers should be
    reciprocal.  
    
    The sales tax is a separate issue.  
    
    Carl.
    
    (Wayne, I used to use my MA boat on Wakefield/Balch? lake in ME/NH.)
                                                                       

    
    they used to have those "silly little plates" for inland waters.
    
    They now use standard bow numbers and are reciprocal will all other 
    states.
    
    Sales tax is always an issue in NH, but generally between opposing
    sides in the legislature.  Not something John Q. Public needs to 
    worry about. :')
    
    

    
    	I believe the 30 days means if the boat is in the state for 30 days
    	regardless if it is being used or not. Maine has a 60 day limit.
    	I 've haven't seen any "Metermaids out checking", this is a hard
    	law to enforce.
    
    	Mike

    I've read all these registration notes and still don't have the answer
    for my specific problem.
    
    I live in Mass.
    
    For the last 6 years my boat has been stored, launched, operated,
    moored, and hauled in Maine, hence it is registered in Maine, excise
    tax paid to local town, etc.  No problems.
    
    Trailer is registered/insured in Mass since it goes with my auto
    policy.
    
    Now since my kids are getting more into school activities etc, I find I
    can't get up to use the boat much pre-July or post-August, so I'm
    thinking about changing my mode of operation to:
    
    Store boat in MA, launch in MA, keep here until July 1, take to Maine
    via water for July/Aug, return to MA Sept 1, haul and store here.
    
    Aside from the weirdness of finding a slip/mooring for the season
    *minus* July and August, am I currently legal for all this?  Do I have
    to switch the boat registration to MA?  If so, where do I go and what
    is involved?

    
    
    We currently store, and occasionally use our boat in MA. However for
    the last 4 years we have registered the boat in Maine as non-residents.
    Only stipulation is that we not have the boat in Maine for more than 75
    days a year. Cost is $4 per year. Like yourself, trailer has always
    been registered and insured in MA.
    

    
      The way I understood the reading from my powerboat course is you are
    *required* to register the boat in the state in which it is *used* the
    most. It makes no difference where it is when it is on the trailer.
    
    				Kenny

    
    
    	Jim,
    
    	I to have been boating in Maine (Dameriscotia, Boothbay) area for
    	the past 5 years. I live in NH, so I started out using the exempt
    	tax in Maine. Then NH went with the numbering system, and since
    	I also boat in NH, I re-registered (got new numbers) to NH.
    	Now that the "Reciprocal" issue is a moot point, I pay my NH
    	registeration and "Federal B" decal fees and can boat anywere.
    	In your case, determine which state has the lower registration
    	fees. Since Maine registration is accepted in Mass.
    	But to answer your question, you should be able to get a
    	registration form from your Mass. town hall and request New Mass.
        registration numbers. Take the Maine numbers off and put on the 
    	new numbers. 
    
    	Good Luck
    
    	Mike

    RE: 49 - 52
    
    If you have paid Mass sales tax on your boat, I don't think the state of
    registration means a whole lot to Mass.  The danger you face in having
    out-of-State numbers is that as a Mass resident, you may be billed for
    past due taxes, interest, and penalties under Mass AND under Maine
    laws.  In which case, you will have to prove the "State of use" was in
    either maine or Mass, and try to get out as economically as possible
    after the billing. 
    
    If you pay your dues in both states, I can't see why either state would
    care which numbers you use.  I am a NH resident with a seasonal slip in
    Mass.  I paid the Mass Sales tax & pay an annual fee to the town of
    Amesbury, but renew my NH numbers each year, which keeps me eligible for
    use in Lake Winni' a few weeks out of the season.
    
    
    	Safe boating . . .
    
    	-mike-

    I bought the boat in Mass and paid sales tax.  It immediately got
    moved to Maine and registered there.  They waived the sales tax when
    I proved it was paid in Mass.  I was under the impression that no one
    expected sales taxes to be paid in more than one place!!!?
    

    
    Not sure if this is the note this question belongs in or not, but here
    goes:
    
    I'm trying to find out what needs to be done where to register a boat 
    I bought from a private party at the end of last season. It's a 16' 
    with a 9.9 outboard if that makes any difference. 
    
    What forms are necessary, and where can they be found - and - any ideas 
    on what it will cost to get this accomplished?
    
    Thanks,
    
    Jack

    Recently had the same question and called the Division of Motor
    Vehicles.
    
    First of all to register the boat go to DMV Registry (Motorboat Desk),
    bring 1: Bill of Sale, 2: Copy of last registration regardless of which
    state it was registered in, 3: checkbook.
    
    The fee for a 16' will be something like $30-45 for two years, I
    forget.
    
    Secondly, now go over to the Motorvehicle line to register your trailer
    if you have one.  Again I forget the cost, but you will need the Bill
    of Sale and a insurance adder binder for the vehicle you will be towing
    with most often.  For most insurance policies this will not cost you
    anything to add the trailer.
    
    Oh yeh, you will have to pay the sales tax on the amounts shown on the
    bill of sales.
    
    Emil

    Did you get the title with the boat?  If not, good luck.  It's
    a real messy situation in MA without it.  
    
    Talk to the registry to find out the procedure.  From what I 
    understand though, under certain circumstances it can be almost
    impossible to obtain a MA title.  Particularly if the previous 
    owner lives out of state, can't be located, or can't prove
    ownership.
    
    One easy way around it, is to register the boat in NH for a year.
    NH will let you register by walking into almost any marina with 
    the serial number and about $35 in hand.  MA will then accept last 
    year's NH registration as proof of ownership, allowing you to 
    transfer the registration and obtain a MA title. 
    
    As mentioned, if you don't have the title check with the MA
    registry before taking this advice. Remember, I am not a lawyer, 
    nor do I play one on TV.   8^)  
    
    Rick

    re .57
    
    Rick, you "forgot" to qualify your reply with the "state of primary
    use" clause. If he intends to use his boat primarily in NH during the
    year in which it is registered there, then he is fine. Otherwise it
    might be frowned upon by the authorities.
    
    ...but who really measures the amount of use anyway....
    
    ~jeff

    Thanks for all of the quick replies! I bought it from someone who had
    no Mass. title, and had it last registered in New Hampshire, so the
    idea about registering it in NH under my name for a year sounds like
    the way to go. 
    
    Thanks again,
    
    Jack

    I just when through this with a sailboat. If the seller lives in Mass,
    they have to have a title for it, no matter what year the boat. If the 
    registration, has a Mass mailing address, the original owner has to
    apply for the title, and then transfer it to you. Add 2 weeks to the 
    total job.
    
    If you go down to Worcester to register the boat, do it on a Monday or
    Tuesday. On Wednesday they print out all the new titles for the week and
    mail them out. They are pretty quick about it.
    
    I went in with a bill of sale, and a 4 year old mooring permit from
    Maine (the owner had still lived in NH back then before moving to
    Mass). They were not real happy about not having a title/current
    registration, but they did give me my numbers immediately and my title 
    showed up about a week later. Then again the old registation numbers
    were still good, and I had all the paper since the boat had been built
    in 1975.
    
    The office in Worcester has the tax office colocated there. Just fill
    out the tax form, pay your 5% sales tax via a personnel check and slide
    down the counter 10 feet to get you title/registration paperwork
    completed. 
    
    Title is $15, the registation is $30 for a total of $45. Again,
    personal check is needed.
    You will again need the bill of sale, numbers from the back of the
    boat, and the serial numbers and model of the outboard if so equiped.
    
    If you have a trailer, do it like a car (same forms, insurance stamp,
    regular dmv).
    
    john

I have a small Boat >12' with electric motor drive. What is the current 
registration fee for New Hampshire.

I live in and use the boat in NH but have not registered the boat for 
a couple of years.

Thanks,

David.

    David, it should be in the $12-15 range. That's what I pay for my
    Sunfish. 
    
    For the uninitiated, in N.H. all sailboats 12' or over and all
    "powered boats" have to be registered.
    
    Bill
    

Thanks, to Bill French in 17.62. Here is my story on registering my boat and
trailer.

I took yesterday (6-Jul) off to get my boat/trailer registered and go fishing.
City hall in Nashua was exceptional, at 8:30 there was no one in line and I 
got a very helpfull lady who took my old trailer registration and produced a 
new registration and plate for the modest sum of $9.00 to Nashua, and $4.50 to 
the State of NH. I was out by 8:35.

Now to do the boat: I drove to Pete's Gun & Tackle in Hudson and its closed on 
Tuesday's. I know I should have called first. So I went home and tried to call 
another marina - no answer, so fearing a drive to Dept of MV in Concord, I 
called them, Yet another helpful local government worker, she gave me the name
and phone number of Briand Marine in Nashua.

For all of you in Nashua and especially Spit Brook Road, Briand Marine is 
run by a couple out of their basement. They sell a good selection of fishing,
shooting and  hunting equipment and supplies. They also do NH boat registrtions
and fishing/hunting licenses. (I did not check prices on their products).

The store was run by a very helpful and talkative lady (Rita Briand).

1993 Boat registation of a <12' boat with 3hp electric motor is $20.00. Prices 
go up from there.

	Briand Guns & Tackle  603-888-1717
	18 Waltham Dr. (Off South Main St.) Nashua, NH 03060.

I did get to fish - but that is for the fishing notes file.

David.

    Sorry about the lowball estimate on the price, David, but I know you
    can afford it ;^)
    
    I registered my windsurfer and Sunfish on Monday - they were $20 each,
    (including the $1.50 agent fee - I'm not sure you have to pay that
    if you go to Concord).
    
    Bill