Conference vicki::boats

    I'm not familier with that brand name. The stove I have one my boat is
    a two burner Alcohol type and I'm real pleased with it. It cooks
    quickly and efficently with no smell. Approx one gallon of Alcohol will
    last me all season, but I don't cook that much with it. Maybe on the
    average I boil about 10 to 12 lobsters twice a week and make coffee or
    soup on it. The biggest meals have consisted of Bacon,Eggs,Pancakes,
    Burgers,Dogs,Fish Ect.... For long cooking things like Chili or potroast I
    bring a crockpot to the boat and plug it in shorepower at the dock.
    
    All in All I really like it. I don't think I would bother buy the
    Electric Combo type as I don't like the way an electric stove cooks
    anyway. The Alcohol is much closer to have a LP or Natural Gas Stove.
    I would also stay away from Propane or LP Gas on a boat due to its'
    fire and explosion potential. They are both heavier than air and will
    settle in the bilge if the system leaks. One spark and you get the "Big
    Boom" affect. I'd rather just fill my little Al stove by hand and know
    its safe.
    
                                      Walt
    

    I have a two burner Origo and the wife and I are more than satisfied
    with it and with the speed that it cooks.
    
    Have used it one season and would not consider any other stove.
    
    Paul
    
    

re .1:

Alcohol stoves as a class (pressurized and non-pressurized) cause more boat 
fires than anything else. Properly installed propane and compressed natural 
gas stoves are quite safe -- certainly much safer (in my view) than gasoline 
engines. (My insurance is not higher because we have a propane stove. It would 
be higher if we had a gasoline engine, I think.) We've had a propane stove for
ten years with nary a leak or problem. 

re .1 and .2: 

Alcohol flames are much less hot than propane, kerosene, or CNG flames and 
therefore will heat water and cook more slowly. We had a pressurized alcohol 
stove on our first boat -- what a wretched device. The alcohol smell (fumes) 
made me seasick (as they do many people) , and the stove was abysmally slow to
cook anything. Our propane stove will heat water several times as fast (both a
hotter flame and a bigger flame). Nobody I've ever talked to would willing buy
an alcohol stove after using a propane or CNG stove. True, the Origo alcohol
stoves are the best of the type and are much cheaper than a good propane stove
properly installed. For occasional use an Origo is fine. For serious cruising
or living aboard, the unanimous choice is not alcohol. 

    I have a pump type two burner alchol stove on my boat. Used it once
    and never again. It is to hard to get going no less regulate. I
    went a bought a Coleman propane camp stove set it on a small table
    in the cockpit when I want and it cooks fast. the nice thing is
    the way it packs up so I never leave it on board. If I had any other
    choice I'd have a micro wave.

    re: .3 and .4 I COULDN'T AGREE MORE.  This is my 4th boat and
                  my second propane stove. (boat 3 had alchy, boat 4
                  had the combo set-up)  There was an article on
                  cooking sources last spring, 3 percent of the
                  fires were caused by propane, 97% BY ALCOHOL.
    
                  Stay the hell away from it, besides your ins. will
                  go up, and you will not add any value, or maintain
                  it when you sell it.Someone might insist you 
                  remove it.
    
    
    Jim. (who likes his coffee soon ater he's up)
                            
    

    
    
     I've seen two boat fires where the boat burned to the  and was
    destroyed- both
    from alcohol stoves and leaking alcohol catching fire.
    
     One was fairly new sailboat in Bristol Harbor in Bristol RI. - the
    alcohol leaked and since it is a clear lioquid, it wasn't seen until it
    caught fire. In the dailight the flames are even sometimes tough to
    see. The result was the galley had a good blazwe before it was noticed.
    the guy and his wife went over the side- burned pretty good. The, boat
    got twed to sure burning like the blazes. It burned on the shore until
    all that was left was the keel and the engine.
     
    
    
    THe second boat belonged to my father and Uncle. My uncle was a skilled
    boatbuilder/carpenter who built wooden prototype boats for soem of the
    yard on the Jersey coast. He and my dad spent all their $ and time for
    three years and built a beatiful mahagony 29' Cruiser. 
    
     When the boat was a year old, the alcohol stove leaked and the burning
    alcohol leaked down between the cabinets in the galley. The curtans
    caught on fire and away she went. They got the fire out, but the 
    boat was prety well gone- they managed to contain the fire nd the
    engines were good- The boat was declared a total loss.
    
     A properly installed propane stove is my choice- for all the reasons
    mentioned previously- and propane can also be used for refrigeration.
    If you smell gas with propane- you have a leak. If you smell alcohol
    with an alcohol stiove- there is a leak, the stove is on, or both.
    
    
     

    	How about carbon monoxide? Do alcohol or propane give off enough
    CO to cause a problem?
    
    Just Curious
    Paul

    I'm still assembling my list of boating paraphernalia for the upcoming
    group marine purchase. I'd like to order one of those marine barbecues
    advertised in just about every marine equip. magazine I've ever
    seen...I belive the brandname is 'Magma', the unit is round, stainless
    steel and can be ordered for use with charcoal or propane. I'm leaning
    towards the propane....so I don't have to lug charcoal around and
    propane seems ideal to heat up a pot of coffee. No need to light
    charcoal and wait a half hour for the coals to turn grey.

    Anyone have any experience/comments about this grill? I also don't
    know which mount to select for use with the grill....the one that
    attaches to a rail ---OR___ the one that sticks into a rod holder.
    Anyone have any experience w/ either/or?
    
    /MArk