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Conference krakar::f1

Title:F1
Notice:All about F1
Moderator:WOTVAX::GILLILANDP
Created:Wed Dec 14 1994
Last Modified:Mon Jun 02 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:159
Total number of notes:8085

135.0. "Winter Testing Discussion - 1997 Season" by CHEFS::PATEMAN (Alfa Corse) Mon Oct 28 1996 11:21

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135.11.1 sec slower then Hill/JV so far..ORAREP::BOIKOMike BoikoMon Oct 28 1996 18:277
135.2HHLEMAN::CHEVAUXPatrick Chevaux @GEO, DTN 821-4150Tue Oct 29 1996 13:3413
135.3Ligier at SuzukaLEMAN::CHEVAUXPatrick Chevaux @GEO, DTN 821-4150Tue Oct 29 1996 13:386
135.4BridgestoneLEMAN::CHEVAUXPatrick Chevaux @GEO, DTN 821-4150Tue Oct 29 1996 13:449
135.5Portugal, quieter than an empty wine bottleCHEFS::KEATING_BWed Oct 30 1996 19:5220
135.6HHF in EstorilCHEFS::KEATING_BThu Oct 31 1996 18:3742
135.7WOTVAX::STONEGTemperature Drop in Downtime Winterland....Thu Oct 31 1996 18:394
135.8Useful and Interesting ReportCHEFS::LINCOLN_JThu Oct 31 1996 19:111
135.9Escort driver?CHEFS::KEATING_BFri Nov 01 1996 14:4211
135.10CHEFS::LINCOLN_JFri Nov 01 1996 16:463
135.11RG500::MOSSWounded, Old and Treacherous...Fri Nov 01 1996 21:062
135.12DIGITAL who?UTRTSC::WDEBAKKERFeed your headMon Nov 04 1996 13:367
135.13small bitsLEMAN::CHEVAUXPatrick Chevaux @GEO, DTN 821-4150Fri Nov 08 1996 18:2716
135.14RS9EVTSG8::STURTTotally wiredTue Nov 19 1996 15:255
135.15Verstappen signed with TyrrelHLFS00::BOSHUIJER_FFri Nov 29 1996 18:265
135.16MANSELL TO JOIN JORDAN!VYGER::GIBSONJSundays papers on a Saturday?Sat Nov 30 1996 12:1715
135.17Red Bull to be blamedLEMAN::CHEVAUXPatrick Chevaux @GEO, DTN 821-4150Mon Dec 02 1996 12:0620
135.18Manila GP?CHEFS::KEATING_BMon Dec 02 1996 12:465
135.19Down the drain eh rathole, I meanUTRTSC::WDEBAKKERFeed your headMon Dec 02 1996 18:136
135.20work in PortugalLEMAN::CHEVAUXPatrick Chevaux @GEO, DTN 821-4150Mon Dec 02 1996 21:024
135.21MANSELL TO TEST!VYGER::GIBSONJSundays papers on a Saturday?Thu Dec 05 1996 16:439
135.22Schu number twuIOSG::DUTTNigel DuttThu Dec 05 1996 17:052
135.23TURRIS::lspace.zko.dec.com::winalskiPLIT Happens...Thu Dec 05 1996 20:156
135.24Ho! Ho!! Ho!!!IOSG::DUTTNigel DuttThu Dec 05 1996 20:271
135.2545862::WILSONJOThu Dec 05 1996 21:538
135.26STAR::MWOLINSKIuCoder sans FrontieresThu Dec 05 1996 22:338
135.27EVTSG8::STURTTotally wiredFri Dec 06 1996 13:497
135.28Jordan Wheel Changing....45862::HATTONMWaiting for JS to offer me a drive...Mon Dec 09 1996 15:5111
135.29JGODCL::BOWENI got the Midnight Madness T-Shirt!Mon Dec 09 1996 17:207
135.30LEMAN::CHEVAUXPatrick Chevaux @GEO, DTN 821-4150Wed Dec 11 1996 20:0112
135.31WE'RE ALL STILL WAITING?VYGER::GIBSONJSundays papers on a Saturday?Fri Dec 13 1996 10:037
135.32EVTSG8::STURTTotally wiredWed Dec 18 1996 12:297
135.33IT'S NOT TO BE!VYGER::GIBSONJSundays papers on a Saturday?Wed Dec 18 1996 14:0310
135.34SilverstoneCHEFS::gmtdhcp4.gmt.dec.com::keating_Bthere's one in every village!!!!Fri Jan 10 1997 12:1811
135.35Brundle againIOSG::DUTTNigel DuttTue Jan 14 1997 12:352
135.36Benetton testingLEMAN::CHEVAUXPatrick Chevaux @GEO, DTN 821-4150Tue Jan 14 1997 16:2913
135.37From Reuter news MORACHEFS::CZERESMWed Jan 15 1997 14:1627
135.38Panis is doing wellLEMAN::CHEVAUXPatrick Chevaux @GEO, DTN 821-4150Thu Jan 16 1997 16:263
135.39Lola are lateLEMAN::CHEVAUXPatrick Chevaux @GEO, DTN 821-4150Thu Jan 16 1997 16:293
135.40New McLarenIOSG::DUTTNigel DuttThu Jan 16 1997 21:156
135.41CHEFS::LINCOLN_JFri Jan 17 1997 13:084
135.42Jerez?IOSG::DUTTNigel DuttFri Jan 17 1997 13:175
135.43Ferrari view 1997 as another preparation yearLEMAN::CHEVAUXPatrick Chevaux @GEO, DTN 821-4150Fri Jan 17 1997 19:0412
135.446 might be enough this year...IOSG::DUTTNigel DuttFri Jan 17 1997 20:2011
135.45LEMAN::CHEVAUXPatrick Chevaux @GEO, DTN 821-4150Mon Jan 20 1997 10:347
135.46Some testing bitsCHEFS::LINCOLN_JTue Jan 21 1997 13:449
135.47Wreck it in testing, but not in a GPCHEFS::16.37.11.18::keating_Bthere's one in every village!!!!Wed Jan 22 1997 14:389
135.48Portugal?MILE::JENKINSWed Jan 22 1997 16:039
135.49Testing, Testing, 1,2,3CHEFS::16.37.11.18::keating_Bthere's one in every village!!!!Wed Jan 22 1997 16:5216
135.50It's JerezHLFS00::BOSHUIJER_FFrits BoshuijerWed Jan 22 1997 17:011
135.51CHEFS::LINCOLN_JWed Jan 22 1997 18:508
135.52Minor panic at FerrariCHEFS::LINCOLN_JThu Jan 23 1997 14:3610
135.53WOTVAX::STONEGMagician Among the Spirits.........Thu Jan 23 1997 15:089
135.54From Reuters2000 @08:02CHEFS::CZERESMThu Jan 23 1997 17:4714
135.55and ...CHEFS::LINCOLN_JFri Jan 24 1997 14:055
	Now it's rumoured that Ferrari will start the season using
	last years car possibly because the old engine won't easily
	fit into the new car.

	-John
135.56IRNBRU::61549::SpikeDo you munch stump?Fri Jan 24 1997 15:0114
  All of this makes you wonder about the benefit of completely
  re-designing the car every year. In the motorbike racing world there
  is a lot more emphasis on developing the current bike year on year and
  completely new bikes would tend to run by a third test rider or
  developed in a national series before being used in GPs or World
  Superbike races.

  This means that you quite often have competitive bikes that are maybe
  3 years old but have been steadily improved rather than starting from
  scratch each year. Surely with F1 car a similar philosophy could be
  used with much of the car being retained to the next season. 

  Rgds, Steve.

135.57Last 2 weeks in Jerez, SpainLEMAN::CHEVAUXPatrick Chevaux @GEO, DTN 821-4150Sun Jan 26 1997 18:5133
    Saw the full 2-week report on testing at Jerez this morning on TF1.
    
    As already noted the new Ferrari engine could not complete any of the
    300km tests. Team will be using last year's V10.
    
    Stewart could not put more than a few laps before the new Ford Zetec
    V10 suffers oil pressure problems. Jackie Stewart was very anxious and
    very nervous.
    
    The Arrows FA18 is suffering lots of problems. Major one is with the
    Yamaha engine which John Judd was chartered to work on improving the
    reliability. Seems he still has a very long way to go.
    
    Jordans are doing well. The chassis works better than last year's. The
    Peugeot V10 is very healthy. Fisichella faster than Schu Jr by a good
    full second. This is no surprise.
    
    Similar positive remarks on the McLaren MP4-12. The car behaves much
    better than last year's. David Coulthard suffers from the new driving
    position where the drivers are lying very low.
    
    Benettons are very advanced. Berger was overall fastest man on the
    track ahead of Williams' man Frentzen. No hassles. Tuning work is
    progressing well.
    
    As a summary for the 2 weeks one could say that Benetton dominate,
    closely followed by Williams, McLaren, Jordan and Ligier. Ferrari,
    Arrows and Stewart will obviously have a lot of work to be ready.
    The new Williams is going very well and HH Frentzen is very happy about
    it although one of the new Renault RS9 V10s broke after completing
    350km. The new engine is lower and lighter (11kg) than last year's RS8.
    
    
135.58LEMAN::CHEVAUXPatrick Chevaux @GEO, DTN 821-4150Tue Feb 11 1997 14:5725
    Just seen a report on last week's testing in various places (Jerez,
    Barcelona, Estoril).
    
    The Benetton team continues its ground work on every single bit of the
    car. Both drivers record impressive numbers of laps and excellent lap
    times.
    
    The Williams team is only starting its tests sessions, so no lap
    records. No failures either.
    
    The good surprise comes from the 2 guys below:
    
    Giancarlo Fisichella likes the Jordan and its Peugeot engine. With
    qualifications setup he was immediately in the fastest lap times. In
    race setup he found the car extremely easy to drive and to control.
    Sounds like Ralfie is going to have a hard time. Giancarlo is certainly
    one of the most promising champions of tomorrow.
    
    Olivier Panis and the new Ligier JS45 are going faster and faster. Just
    like the Benetton team, they are trying to break every bit. They have
    gone through several GP simulations at very high speeds (Barcelona).
    This beautiful story ended saturday when the front suspension collapsed
    on Olivier in the fast right hander at the end of the Barcelona pit
    straight. JS45-01 is badly hurt. JS45-02 and -03 will be injected in
    the testing process later this week. 
135.59WilliamsIOSG::DUTTNigel DuttTue Feb 11 1997 15:053
    Re the Williams at Barcelone, I read in Autosport that in its first
    shakedown test it went 1.8 seconds faster than Hill's qualifying time
    at the GP.
135.60CHEFS::LINCOLN_JTue Feb 11 1997 16:404
	I heard that Williams have suffered a gearbox failure (gearbox
	is new for 97 car).

	-John
135.61"latest from Spain"CHEFS::CZERESMTue Feb 11 1997 17:1114
    More news from Jerez in testing yesterday (10th)
    
    Alesi set the the quickest time this year in his new 
    Benetton, he clocked 1:21:01, with his team mate
    Berger 6 100ths slower.
    
    Villeneuve was third quickest in the FW19 coming in
    at 1:21:25
    
    cheers
    
    mark
    
    p.s. maybe the rework for Benetton could work this year!!!!! 
135.62LEMAN::CHEVAUXPatrick Chevaux @GEO, DTN 821-4150Tue Feb 11 1997 20:3610
    Well, it's probably too early to draw any conclusion, but the fact that
    the new Benetton started testing very early compared to the new Williams
    being available just now ... It's obvious that everyone at Benetton are
    very enthusiastic.
    
    I did not post last week's times from the 3 test circuits. Besides
    Fisichella and the new Jordan-Peugeot, Panis and the new Ligier-Honda
    the other pleasing results were from Stewart Grand Prix. Rubens
    Barrichello managed some very fast laps. Let's hope they get the engine
    to run well for a GP distance. 
135.63Williams fastestIOSG::DUTTNigel DuttWed Feb 19 1997 12:243
    Williams (Villeneuve) did a 1 18.36 at Estoril yesterday. This beats
    the previous unofficial record set by Mclaren and Ferrari last week by
    over a second.
135.64BergerMILE::JENKINSWed Feb 19 1997 16:2212
    
    re .last
    
    Berger did a 1:18.6 earlier in the day in the Benetton - his new lap
    record didn't last very long.... 
    
    Hill took pole with a 1:20 last year - I thought the FIA were trying
    to slow down the cars!
    
    Richard.
    
    
135.65EVTSG8::STURTTotally wiredThu Feb 20 1997 17:464
    Apparently, Olivier Panis has been shattering the lap record at Magny
    Cours. Tyres, engine, or track conditions...?
    
    Edward
135.66LJSRV2::ALLEGREZZAGeorge Allegrezza @LJOFri Feb 21 1997 17:156
    Possibly the rubber.  As shown in Indy car racing over the last two
    years, Bridgestone is so far ahead of Goodyear it isn't funny. 
    Goodyear's only hope is that it rains a lot in Europe this year, as
    their wet tire is still superior to the B/F product.

    George 
135.67LEMAN::CHEVAUXPatrick Chevaux @GEO, DTN 821-4150Fri Feb 21 1997 20:5414
135.68Some bits from the EstorilLEMAN::CHEVAUXPatrick Chevaux @GEO, DTN 821-4150Sun Feb 23 1997 20:2118
    The Jordans are having a lot of minor problems with the engine-chassis
    interface, hydraulics, etc ... The 2 drivers (Schumacher Jr and Fisi-
    chella) have been able to do a lot of testing lately, but no room for
    fast laps.
    
    The new Renault Sport RS9 engine has completed more than 5500km in the
    Fw18B and Fw19 and 2600km in the Benetton 197. A new sub-version is
    scheduled for Melbourne, in light of this extensive test period.
    
    The Benetton B197 is well designed according to its drivers. There's
    one big problem yet to solve: the brakes, already better than last
    year's but not to top team standards according to Alesi.
    
    The Williams boys have been going through a long detailed list of
    tests, including some endurance. Villeneuve would now like to be given
    a few 'fast' laps. Last week's lap times were done in race conditions
    not qualifications (probably because they don't want to show too much
    to the competition).
135.69Prost GP JS45 record at Magny-CoursLEMAN::CHEVAUXPatrick Chevaux @GEO, DTN 821-4150Sun Feb 23 1997 20:2815
    The combination Panis + PGP JS45 + new Honda engine + Bridgestone tyres
    seems to work well. Because of the truck dribers strikes in Spain the
    PGP team has decided to comntinue working in Magny-Cours instead of
    trying to reach Estoril. 
    
    Panis has been able to record several laps, the fastest being 2.7
    seconds faster than last year GP pole position time. The JS45 shows big
    improvements over last year's Ligier. The new Honda engine is much more
    torquy than the previous one. The Bridgestone tyres are evidently much
    faster than last year's Goodyears.
    
    On the Bridgestone-Goodyear topic: on the wet Jerez track the Ligier
    boys were lapping 6 (yes SIX) seconds faster than the fastest Goodyear
    driver (the Benettons). The Bridgestone camp must be praying for wet
    races this year.
135.70Home atretch to first raceCHEFS::LINCOLN_JTue Feb 25 1997 13:4423
	Less than two weeks to go and the teams seem to be just about
	finished testing in the warmth of Iberia. Apparently a lot
	of them will be going to Silverstone later this week for 
	final tests prior to shipping for Oz.

	I've been keeping a note of the times set at Estoril, the
	most used circuit, and for what it's worth these are the
	leading results -

	Villeneuve 	Williams	1'18.36
	Berger		Benetton	1'18.66
	Frentzen	Williams	1'18.69
	Alesi		Benetton	1'18.75
	Schumacher_M	Ferrari		1'19.66
	Coulthard	McLaren		1'19.80
	Irvine		Ferrari		1'20.29
	Hakkinen	McLaren		1'20.35

	Last years pole (Hill) was 1'20.33 so there's clearly been
	a lot of improvements mad and no doubt they'll go faster
	yet.

	-John
135.71Sauber?RUMOR::msodhcp-123-24-210.mso.dec.com::JRogersTue Feb 25 1997 18:235
What has happened with the Sauber team?  There was some talk about problems 
with the engine supplier earlier, but there has been nothing since?  Are 
they a viable team?

Jeff
135.72Dark Horses?CHEFS::LINCOLN_JTue Feb 25 1997 19:335
	Sauber have been very quiet but were at Barcelona last week
	where Herbert put in a time faster than the Williams had 
	managed some time back.

	-John
135.73Nominated test tracksPGREEN::SACKMANJPedalo'ing the InternetWed Feb 26 1997 10:285
    Could someone remind me what the rules are about test tracks. How many
    can be nominated by a team? Do they have to be FIA registered circuits?
    
    		thanks in advance,
    			Jon.
135.74Williams in Magny-CoursLEMAN::CHEVAUXPatrick Chevaux @GEO, DTN 821-4150Wed Feb 26 1997 20:4312
    The Williams team has been testing in Magny-Cours with all 3 cars and
    both drivers. Each car was given a full shakeout. At the end of the
    work period Villeneuve and Frentzen were allowed some quick laps.
    
    Result: fastest lap by Villeneuve in 1'16"xxx, to be compared to Panis
    in the Prost JS45 Honda in 1'13"xxx.
    
    Panis beats Villeneuve by 3 seconds !
    
    The cars will now return to the UK and be packed in order to leave
    Heathrow to Australia on Sunday.
                                    
135.75Silverstone cornerLEMAN::CHEVAUXPatrick Chevaux @GEO, DTN 821-4150Wed Feb 26 1997 20:4912
    The Tyrrell and Arrows teams have been using Silverstone as a test bed.
    
    Tyrrell are doing well with 4000km recorded. 
    
    Arrows are a complete disaster, unable to complete any series of laps. 
    The last problem reported is a faulty data acquisition system, which 
    reported inaccurate data. The Tyrrell team is reported to be smiling 
    and saying things like "wait until they solve all their problems with 
    electronics, data acquisition system, hydraulics, gearbox, etc ..., 
    then they'll have plenty of time to observe the power/reliability of 
    the Yamaha engine, we know what we are talking about!"
                       
135.76Ferrari at MugelloLEMAN::CHEVAUXPatrick Chevaux @GEO, DTN 821-4150Wed Feb 26 1997 20:5310
    Ferrari continue to stress the new F310B chassis and engines. The
    result is a Mugello lap record by M. Schumacher. Then while Michael was
    flying to assist his wife Corinna with their second child, Eddie Irvine
    broke the lap record.
    
    The new engine 46/2 will not be used for the 1st two races.
    
    Despite the lap records Michael Schumacher reported that the F310B is
    basically wrong. The traction is poor, the balance is wrong, etc ...
    but obviously both drivers seem to cope with it.
135.77TURRIS::lspace.zko.dec.com::winalskiPLIT Happens...Thu Feb 27 1997 01:1741
RE: .73

Rule 68 of the F1 Sporting Code governs testing.  It reads:

68) With the exception of private testing, which may be arranged by 
the FIA on the day preceding practice at an Event being held on a 
circuit for the first time, no testing is permitted :

a) on any circuit outside Europe except general testing organised by 
the Commercial Rights Holder;

b) on any circuit during the seven days preceding race day at each 
Event except for a shakedown test not exceeding 50 km which must be 
supervised by the relevant ASN ;

c) on any circuit between the last Event of the Championship and 1 
December ;

d) on any circuit which has hosted, or will host, an Event during the 
Championship year other than those hosting the British, French, 
Italian and Spanish Grands Prix ; 

e) at sites which are not currently approved for Formula 1.


So you can't test outside Europe except at general testing sessions 
arragned by Bernie.

You can't test at all between the end of the season and 1 December, 
or during the 7 days prior to the race, except for shakedown tests 
supervised by the host ASN for the GP in question.

You can't test on any circuit that is to hold a GP except for (this 
year) Silverstone, Magny Cours, Monza, and Barcelona.  I think the 
Estoril testing is allowed because the Portuguese GP is still on the 
calendar as "provisional".

You can't test on any track that isn't approved for F1.  Presumably 
Marianello has such approval.  Jerez and Paul Ricard certainly do.

--PSW
135.78LEMAN::CHEVAUXPatrick Chevaux @GEO, DTN 821-4150Thu Feb 27 1997 14:1915
135.79off to MelbourneLEMAN::CHEVAUXPatrick Chevaux @GEO, DTN 821-4150Thu Feb 27 1997 14:243
    Most teams are now in Melbourne, with the exception of Williams and
    Prost who have done some last minute running-in at Magny-Cours. They
    should be on their way by now.
135.80Justbhow good are Prost/Ligier?CHEFS::LINCOLN_JFri Feb 28 1997 14:154
	Villeneuve has gone much faster at Magny Cours but didn't
	quite match the time Panis set some time ago.

	-John