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Conference 7.286::fddi

Title:FDDI - The Next Generation
Moderator:NETCAD::STEFANI
Created:Thu Apr 27 1989
Last Modified:Thu Jun 05 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2259
Total number of notes:8590

1795.0. "FDDI RING INIT's source ?" by 51847::PALMANN (Jan Palmann C/S Comms. Copenhagen) Mon Sep 04 1995 09:09

    Hi,
    On a FDDI ring, s it possible to find out, who started a RING INIT , 
    or why it's there.
    					Jan.
    
    
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1795.1NETCAD::B_CRONINTue Sep 05 1995 21:2220
    
    Its possible in the abstract, but very hard in practice. Its not
    like a bus where all activity is visible. In the ring, any station 
    that thinks it should win the claim will block the frames of a losing
    station, and source its own frames. If your analyzer is in the right 
    spot you might see the claims from the guy who started the init. If 
    the analyzer is downstream from a station that thinks it should be the 
    claim winner, you'll only see claim frames from that station. If yet 
    another station is th real claim winner, you'll then see that stations
    claims too. 
    
    If the ring is all DEC equipment, you might be able to check all
    of the stations and see which one's "ring inits initiated" counter has 
    ticked. If one of them has this counter incrementing, and the others 
    have the "ring inits received" counter ticking, you'll quickly
    find the station that started the inits. But, this relies on all 
    of the counters working perfectly in all stations on the ring, and 
    I can't remember if that was true for all incarnations of products. 
    This might also work if the station initing the ring is a DEC station.
    Try it and see.....
1795.2To find the one..51847::PALMANNJan Palmann C/S Comms. CopenhagenFri Sep 08 1995 12:04184
Hi,
I have now started the "hunt" for the one, who is initialize,ing the ring.
This a trace, of a normal reboot of the OSF/1 machine, every morning.
I'm surpriced about the great number of claim frames.
Does the claim goes on for a time, or a number of frames ?
Can I deduct from this, trace, that it was the OSF/1 that whent down, an
     3,5 min later, came back up. ?
If I place the analyzer some where else, could I figure out, what started this? 
Are my remarks correct ? ( Do I understand what happends    :v)   )

	
	The setup. ( upstream/ downstream neighb. )

	    v
	PE switch 900 
	    v
	Alpha OSF/1 
	    v
	NT ( in trace as :DEC------A1-89-57 )
 	    v
	NT ( in trace as :Oracle )
	    v
	HP network advisor/analyzer
	    v
	DECconcentrator 900 ( in trace as : con1 )
	    v
	DECbridge 900 MX
	    v
	   ( going to next hub.)
	    v
	DECbridge 900 MX
	    v
	DECswitch 900 EF
	    v
	DECconcentrator 900 
	    v
	   ( back to the top )
        With the analyser, I only collect claim frames, ( and bad crc's)
	During the morning, the OSF/1 is doing a reboot.
	First it go'es down.

  1           45:49.981    Oracle            Oracle            FDDI
  2           45:49.981    DEC------A1-89-57 DEC------A1-89-57 FDDI
  3           45:49.981    DEC------A1-89-57 DEC------A1-89-57 FDDI
  4           45:49.981    DEC------A1-89-57 DEC------A1-89-57 FDDI
  5           45:49.981    DEC------A1-89-57 DEC------A1-89-57 FDDI
  6           45:49.981    DEC------A1-89-57 DEC------A1-89-57 FDDI
  7           45:49.981    DEC------A1-89-57 DEC------A1-89-57 FDDI
  8           45:49.981    DEC------A1-89-57 DEC------A1-89-57 FDDI
  9           45:49.981    DEC------A1-89-57 DEC------A1-89-57 FDDI
  10          45:49.981    DEC------A1-89-57 DEC------A1-89-57 FDDI

	In frame 1 "Oracle" is sending it's own claim frame.  
	In frame 2, it appears, that the other NT, has a better bid.
	This frame is be'ing forwarded by every one.
	This go'es on several times. ( but only 3 msec's )

  1050        45:49.984    DEC------A1-89-57 DEC------A1-89-57 FDDI
  1051        45:49.984    DEC------A1-89-57 DEC------A1-89-57 FDDI
  1052        45:49.984    DEC------A1-89-57 DEC------A1-89-57 FDDI
  1053        45:49.984    DEC------A1-89-57 DEC------A1-89-57 FDDI
  1054        45:49.984    DEC------A1-89-57 DEC------A1-89-57 FDDI
  1055        45:49.984    DEC------A1-89-57 DEC------A1-89-57 FDDI
  1056        45:49.984    DEC------A1-89-57 DEC------A1-89-57 FDDI
  1057        45:49.984    DEC------A1-89-57 DEC------A1-89-57 FDDI
  1058        45:49.984    Con1              Con1              FDDI
  1059        45:49.984    Con1              Con1              FDDI
  1060        45:49.984    Con1              Con1              FDDI
  1061        45:49.984    Con1              Con1              FDDI
  1062        45:49.984    Con1              Con1              FDDI
  1063        45:49.984    Con1              Con1              FDDI
  1064        45:49.984    Con1              Con1              FDDI
  1065        45:49.984    Con1              Con1              FDDI
  1066        45:49.984    Con1              Con1              FDDI
  1067        45:49.984    Con1              Con1              FDDI

	Finaly, the claim contension is wun by Con1.
	There is a pause for approx 3 min.
	Then the OSF/1 machine comes back up.

  1068        49:04.631    Oracle            Oracle            FDDI
  1069        49:04.631    DEC------A1-89-57 DEC------A1-89-57 FDDI
  1070        49:04.631    DEC------A1-89-57 DEC------A1-89-57 FDDI
  1071        49:04.631    DEC------A1-89-57 DEC------A1-89-57 FDDI
  1072        49:04.631    DEC------A1-89-57 DEC------A1-89-57 FDDI
  1073        49:04.631    DEC------A1-89-57 DEC------A1-89-57 FDDI
  1074        49:04.631    DEC------A1-89-57 DEC------A1-89-57 FDDI
  1075        49:04.631    DEC------A1-89-57 DEC------A1-89-57 FDDI
  .
  .
  2119        49:04.633    DEC------A1-89-57 DEC------A1-89-57 FDDI
  2120        49:04.633    DEC------A1-89-57 DEC------A1-89-57 FDDI
  2121        49:04.633    DEC------A1-89-57 DEC------A1-89-57 FDDI
  2122        49:04.633    DEC------A1-89-57 DEC------A1-89-57 FDDI
  2123        49:04.633    DEC------A1-89-57 DEC------A1-89-57 FDDI
  2124        49:04.633    Con1              Con1              FDDI
  2125        49:04.633    Con1              Con1              FDDI
  2126        49:04.633    Con1              Con1              FDDI
  2127        49:04.633    Con1              Con1              FDDI
  2128        49:04.633    Con1              Con1              FDDI
  2129        49:04.633    Con1              Con1              FDDI
  2130        49:04.633    Con1              Con1              FDDI
  2131        49:04.633    Con1              Con1              FDDI
  2132        49:04.633    Con1              Con1              FDDI
  2133        49:04.633    Con1              Con1              FDDI
  2134        49:04.633    Con1              Con1              FDDI

	Finaly, the claim contest is wun by Con1, as before.
	The con1 will issue then real token.		

	3 of the frames in detail:
___________________________________________________________________________
  1           45:49.981    Oracle            Oracle            FDDI

   Frame: 1          Time: Sep 07@21:45:49.9819596  Length: 21

                       ***** DETAILED FORMAT *****
  FDDI
Protocol note ->                           Preamble >= 255 symbol pairs
Frame Control           C3 (Hex)
 Class bit              1...-....          Synchronous
 Address Length bit     .1..-....          48 bit address
 Format bits            ..00-....          MAC frame
 Control bits           ....-0011          Claim frame
Destination Address     Oracle             Individual, universal
Source Address          Oracle             Individual, universal
Target Rotation Time    7.98720 ms.
Frame Status:
 Error Detected         Reset              No errors detected
 Address Recognized     Reset              Address not recognized
 Frame Copied           Reset              Frame not copied
Frame check sequence    E8-70-69-11
> Preamble symbol pairs 255
> Control Indicators    3
Frame dat

___________________________________________________________________________
  2           45:49.981    DEC------A1-89-57 DEC------A1-89-57 FDDI

   Frame: 2          Time: Sep 07@21:45:49.9819621  Length: 21

                       ***** DETAILED FORMAT *****
  FDDI
Frame Control           C3 (Hex)
 Class bit              1...-....          Synchronous
 Address Length bit     .1..-....          48 bit address
 Format bits            ..00-....          MAC frame
 Control bits           ....-0011          Claim frame
Destination Address     DEC------A1-89-57  Individual, universal
Source Address          DEC------A1-89-57  Individual, universal
Target Rotation Time    7.98720 ms.
Frame Status:
 Error Detected         Reset              No errors detected
 Address Recognized     Reset              Address not recognized
 Frame Copied           Reset              Frame not copied
Frame check sequence    B2-D8-49-75
> Preamble symbol pairs 8
> Control Indicators    3

___________________________________________________________________________
  2134        49:04.633    Con1              Con1              FDDI

   Frame: 2134       Time: Sep 07@21:49:04.6337339  Length: 21

                       ***** DETAILED FORMAT *****
  FDDI
Frame Control           C3 (Hex)
 Class bit              1...-....          Synchronous
 Address Length bit     .1..-....          48 bit address
 Format bits            ..00-....          MAC frame
 Control bits           ....-0011          Claim frame
Destination Address     Con1               Individual, universal
Source Address          Con1               Individual, universal
Target Rotation Time    7.98720 ms.
Frame Status:
 Error Detected         Reset              No errors detected
 Address Recognized     Reset              Address not recognized
 Frame Copied           Reset              Frame not copied
Frame check sequence    F8-2E-24-29
> Preamble symbol pairs 8
> Control Indicators    3


					Jan.
1795.3NETCAD::B_CRONINFri Sep 08 1995 19:3820
    
    What you are seeing looks normal to me. The claim frames go on 
    until the claim winner (con 1) is the only one sending frames, then 
    a token is issued. Claiming goes on for at least enough time for the 
    winner's frames to go all the way around the ring, and get back to 
    the claim winner. It isn't just 1 or 2 frames. 
    
    
    If the OSF/1 machine is rebooting, that is the reason for the claims
    occurring. When the OSF/1 machine reboots, its FDDI adapter leaves the
    ring. This causes the first claim sequence. When the OSF/1 machine 
    finishes the reboot, and reenters the ring, that causes the second 
    claim sequence. 
    
    Unless I misunderstand your question, the claims are a normal 
    result of the daily reboot of the OSF/1 system. The trace is 
    consistent with what I would expect to see from an analyzer at 
    that location in the ring. 
    
    
1795.4exit51847::PALMANNJan Palmann C/S Comms. CopenhagenMon Sep 18 1995 14:1353
Hi,
    The ring has now run well for 8 day's. So I decided to add an extra NT
    server ( Alpha )
    The next night, there was 10 RING INITS ( they apeared 2 and 2 )
    I changed the TP-FDDI cable, and the concentrator port to the newly
    added NT server.
    Then after about 2 hours, I saw this on the analyser.
    Claim contests, but NOT 1000, of a frames durations, but only 12 & 13 ?
    claim's long.
    Why are there "long and short claim contests ?
    here is the trace.
    
***************************************************************************
*****                                                                 *****
*****                 HEWLETT PACKARD NETWORK ADVISOR                 *****
*****                                                                 *****
*****      Measurement:    FDDI Stack Decode                          *****
*****      Print Type:     Frames 1 to 25                             *****
*****      Open Views:     Summary                                    *****
*****      Display Mode:   Viewing All Frames                         *****
*****      Print Date:     09/15/95                                   *****
*****      Print Time:     13:1:10                                    *****
*****                                                                 *****
***************************************************************************
  1           40:35.317    Con1              Con1              FDDI
  2           40:35.317    Con1              Con1              FDDI
  3           40:35.317    Con1              Con1              FDDI
  4           40:35.317    Con1              Con1              FDDI
  5           40:35.317    Con1              Con1              FDDI
  6           40:35.317    Con1              Con1              FDDI
  7           40:35.317    Con1              Con1              FDDI
  8           40:35.317    Con1              Con1              FDDI
  9           40:35.317    Con1              Con1              FDDI
  10          40:35.317    Con1              Con1              FDDI
  11          40:35.317    Con1              Con1              FDDI
  12          40:35.317    Con1              Con1              FDDI
  13          40:36.739    Oracle            Oracle            FDDI
  14          40:36.739    Con1              Con1              FDDI
  15          40:36.739    Con1              Con1              FDDI
  16          40:36.739    Con1              Con1              FDDI
  17          40:36.739    Con1              Con1              FDDI
  18          40:36.739    Con1              Con1              FDDI
  19          40:36.739    Con1              Con1              FDDI
  20          40:36.739    Con1              Con1              FDDI
  21          40:36.739    Con1              Con1              FDDI
  22          40:36.739    Con1              Con1              FDDI
  23          40:36.739    Con1              Con1              FDDI
  24          40:36.739    Con1              Con1              FDDI
  25          40:36.739    Con1              Con1              FDDI
    
    
    					Jan.