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Conference 7.286::fddi

Title:FDDI - The Next Generation
Moderator:NETCAD::STEFANI
Created:Thu Apr 27 1989
Last Modified:Thu Jun 05 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2259
Total number of notes:8590

2021.0. "FFDT 200Mb/s Really?" by CHEFS::PACK_J (Cloud Base is heaven) Tue Apr 23 1996 16:06

    
    Full Duplex FDDI what speed is it really?
    
    Can some one who understands these things please answer the following
    questions about full duplex.
    
    1. Is Full Duplex FDDI really 200Mb/s in the same way as FDDI is
    100Mb/s. Or is this marketing hype should be be using a lower number?
    
    2. If we had two busy gigaswitches connected point to point would they get
    close to 200MB/s if they had the traffic to pass?
    
    If we connect a busy:
    	Alpha over PCI bus FDDI card
    	Alpha over EISA bus FDDI card
    	Alpha 7000 over XMI to DEMFA
    	VAX7000 over XMI to DEMFA 
    
    to a giga switch (point to point FDDI) what is the bottle neck? Could we
    hope to get to near 200Mb/s?
    
    3. Is full duplex point to point faster than ATM (point to point),
    again consider two busy gigaswitches back to back, could we get more
    though ATM or full duplex FDDI (single links only, I know about hunt
    groups).
    
    Any answers gratefully accepted
    
    Confused of BSO
                                     
    
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2021.1NETCAD::STEFANITue Apr 23 1996 16:2716
    >>1. Is Full Duplex FDDI really 200Mb/s in the same way as FDDI is
    >>100Mb/s. Or is this marketing hype should be be using a lower number?
    
    FDDI Full Duplex means that there's no token being passed and that you
    can effectively transmit and receive at the same time.  Yes, the
    theoretical maximum throughput doubles to 200Mbps.  In reality, there
    may be hardware constraints that will prevent you from achieving it.
    
    In the case of the PDQ-based adapters (DEFEA, DEFPA, DEFTA, DEFQA,
    DEFAA, and DEFPZ) I believe the PDQ DMA engine can handle up to
    160Mbps, so there is a cap.
                                            
    Of course, in the case of end nodes, you'll have a difficult time today
    driving close to that because of other non adapter related constraints.
    
    - Larry
2021.235356::RABAHYdtn 471-5160, outside 1-810-347-5160Tue Apr 23 1996 19:426
I think there must be an additional benefit to full duplex; packets are not
forwarded around the ring to be removed by the originator.  In a shared ring, I
wonder how much bandwidth is lost to this?

As is often the case, if data is only flowing in one direction then, naturally,
you're only going to get a maximum of 100Mb/s.
2021.3STEVMS::PETTENGILLmulpFri Apr 26 1996 06:1512
>As is often the case, if data is only flowing in one direction then, naturally,
>you're only going to get a maximum of 100Mb/s.

Not true.  While data is flowing in one direction, control is flowing in the
other, and with FDX, the control is not delayed by the data traffic.  Its
really tricky to characterize in the real world, but I think that we showed
that with the DEMFA and a 3 nodes transmitting to 1, the thruput was higher
with FDX than simply removing the control traffic would gain you.  This was
with the DEMFA and we found a fifo overflow problem which had to be isolated
and fixed, so I think the characterization didn't get completed and written up.
(I think that there were also NISCS protocol/implementation tuning going on
as well; NISCS is almost certainly the state of the art.)
2021.435356::RABAHYdtn 471-5160, outside 1-810-347-5160Fri Apr 26 1996 15:076
re .3:

Your point is valid.  However, even though the control traffic is unhindered,
you'll only ever get 100Mb/s through.  Yes, this is faster than half duplex.

The only way to get more than 100Mb/s is to total both directions.