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Conference 7.286::fddi

Title:FDDI - The Next Generation
Moderator:NETCAD::STEFANI
Created:Thu Apr 27 1989
Last Modified:Thu Jun 05 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2259
Total number of notes:8590

439.0. "What does FDDI-2 mean?" by NEOV00::COBAS () Wed Jan 08 1992 14:44

    Hi:
    
    Does anybody know what FDDI-2 or FDDI-II mean?
    
    A customer mentioned that and I don't know what is it?
    Is it related to FDDI over twisted-pair?
    
    Thanks,
    Miguel
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439.1see note 166.*JUMP4::JOYHappy at lastWed Jan 08 1992 15:517
    Miguel,
       Read note 166.* for some answers. It has nothing to do with twisted
    pair but is a totally different standard for use with voice, video and
    data and using isochronous transmission rather than asynchronous.
    
    Debbie
    
439.2KONING::KONINGPaul Koning, NI1DWed Jan 08 1992 16:3275
That reference doesn't say much about it, unfortunately.

I'd suggest you read this article:

	"Desktop Meeting", Larry Palmer, Ricky Palmer, LAN Magazine, 
	Nov. 1991, Pg. 111.

	"Video Teleconferencing brings sights and sounds to the desktop
	as FDDI's ample network bandwidth supports a new kind of meeting."

Also, here's a note about FDDI-II I sent to some people a while back.
(the article it refers to is the one I mentioned above.)

	paul

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I'd be happy to participate in this discussion, certainly.

Paul Callahan (along with the Palmer brothers and Jim Marsh) is finishing
up a trade press article on multimedia, which explains at some length
why FDDI is adequate (and indeed better) for that job than FDDI-2.
That article should certainly help answer the question.

We haven't come out to pound on FDDI-2 since that sort of action doesn't
normally get you anywhere and is likely to create an unfavorable impression.
On the other hand, I've certainly given my views on the technical aspects
of the issue whenever the opportunity came up.  In a nutshell, they are:

1. FDDI-2 is incompatible with FDDI when in hybrid mode.  (It is supposed to
   be compatible in basic mode, but that doesn't mean much -- in basic mode
   it acts like FDDI and provides exactly the same features as FDDI.)

2. The FDDI-2 standard is nowhere near done.  SMT-2 hasn't even started yet;
   it's at the same point where FDDI was 4-5 years ago.

3. 100 Mbit/s is too slow for uncompressed video.  This means you must use
   compression (such as JPEG, MPEG, or Px64) on your video data.  Even if
   uncompressed video would fit, it makes a great deal more sense to compress
   anyway, since that gives you far less data to handle.

4. Compressed video does NOT come in a steady stream (unlike raw video).
   The amount of data fluctuates as a function of picture complexity and
   (except for JPEG) the amount of motion.

5. The one difference in service provided between FDDI-2 and FDDI is that
   FDDI-2 adds "isochronous" service.  This provides a fixed-bandwidth "pipe"
   between stations.  The bandwidth is reserved -- set aside -- and, if not
   used, CANNOT be used by anyone else.
   If you run compressed video through such a pipe, you have to make the
   allocation large enough to deal with the peak demand.  Given the
   variability of compressed video, this means the average utilitization of
   the pipe will be perhaps 20 to 40%.  The rest is wasted.

6. The optimal data transmission service for this sort of traffic is PACKET
   service, where other stations can make use of whatever bandwidth is left
   over.  In most cases, ordinary asynchronous service is perfectly adequate.
   If you want to run your FDDI at extremely high loads (more accurately, at
   significant overloads) without impact on the multimedia datastream, you
   would use synchronous service instead.  Both are available on the current
   FDDI standard (FDDI-2 adds nothing here).

7. We've developed multimedia prototype implementations (these don't even
   use compression yet, although they make up for that by using fairly
   small pictures).  These use ordinary FDDI and indeed run over standard
   higher layer protocols (TCP/IP and UDP/IP).  Note that there is no way
   at all to run FDDI-2 isochronous channels and use currently defined higher
   layer protocols -- the two just don't go together at all.

I guess that was a big nutshell... (a coconut, perhaps?)

	paul

 
 

439.3the market has probably left FDDI-II behindDELNI::GOLDSTEINI'm not making this upThu Jan 09 1992 13:157
    FDDI-II is useful for things like encapsulating T1 carriers for voice.
    But there are easier ways to run T1 carrier.  Voice and some other
    things need isochronous bandwidth, but it's not clear why you'd choose
    FDDI-II as a way to provide it.  What FDDI-II does, DQDB (802.6)
    probably will do better; its isochronous service isn't done yet either,
    but it has more interested parties.  DQDB runs at more speeds too (it's
    PMD-independent).