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Conference 7.286::dcu

Title:	DCU
Notice:	1996 BoD Election results in 1004
Moderator:	CPEEDY::BRADLEY

Created:	Sat Feb 07 1987
Last Modified:	Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:	Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:	1041
Total number of notes:	18759

777.0. "DCU attempts to prevent communication with members" by SMAUG::GARROD (DCU Board of Director's Candidate) Fri Mar 11 1994 16:28

At lunchtime Thursday March 10th Phil Gransewicz, Chris Gillett and myself
were in the MLO cafeteria at a table we had set up to distribute DCU election
information and answer members questions.

A DCU employee came over to the table and told Phil that DCU's "policy"
(which we'd never heard of until this time) prohibits campaigning within
100 feet of a DCU branch.  Phil simply stated that Digital's policy
clearly states that we could campaign in the cafeteria.  She then
indicated that she would call Digital security and Phil indicated that he had
no problem with her doing so.  All very polite.

A representative of Digital security then came by to discuss the call. We 
explained why we were there. The Digital security representative checked
the relevent policies and we stayed throughout the lunch hour with no objection
from the security representative or any other Digital employee.

Interestingly DCU HQ had sent out a memo to the MLO branch saying that
candidates were not to campaign within a 100 feet of a branch. It's
incredible that the management of DCU thinks that it can attempt to
regulate the actions of persons not in the employ of the credit union and
not on DCU property. I also think it inappropriate that DCU is trying to
get Digital security involved to try and regulate the actions of candidates
for the DCU board.

Dave

T.R	Title	User	Personal Name	Date	Lines
777.1	"Say, what country are we in?"	BWICHD::SILLIKER	Crocodile sandwich-make it snappy	`Fri Mar 11 1994 16:41`	7
	Can you spell I-N-T-I-M-I-D-A-T-I-O-N? Bravo for standing your ground! Gee, I miss the Mill, and the Mill cafe... Marina
777.2		NASZKO::MACDONALD		`Fri Mar 11 1994 17:33`	13
	WHAT UNBELIEVABLE GALL!!!!!!! AND SHE HAD THE FURTHER GALL TO ASK DIGITAL SECURITY TO ENFORCE A DCU POLICY WHERE THE DCU HAS ABSOLUTELY NO AUTHORITY!! WHAT PLANET ARE THESE PEOPLE FROM? Steve
777.3	What could the possibly be worried about?	WLDBIL::KILGORE	Time to put the SHARE back in DCU!	`Fri Mar 11 1994 17:46`	7
	Pretty cheeky of DCU management to try to control activities in a facility that grants it free space. Methinks Chuck should take another look at his "Don't be a DICK" t-shirt.
777.4		TOOK::DELBALSO	I (spade) my (dog face)	`Fri Mar 11 1994 18:04`	5
	How does the DCU manage to set these "policies" which extend past their boundaries? What gives them the expectation that they can do so? Could the board investigate this? -Jack
777.5		NASZKO::MACDONALD		`Fri Mar 11 1994 18:24`	11
	Re: .4 > What gives them the expectation that they can do so? Jack, To quote a response that I recall you made to something or other that Mark Steinkrauss had done, "The arrogance is astonishing." IMO, that accounts for it. Steve
777.6	Maybe ...	STAR::PARKE	True Engineers Combat Obfuscation	`Fri Mar 11 1994 18:37`	8
	Re .3: Maybe it should be a "Don't Chuck" tee shirt ?
777.7		TOOK::DELBALSO	I (spade) my (dog face)	`Fri Mar 11 1994 18:53`	7
	re: .5, Steve Well, I grew to expect arrogance from Mark and the old guard, er, board. But I guess I didn't realize it had rubbed off so indelibly on DEFCU management. . . . -Jack
777.8		CADSYS::RITCHIE	Gotta love log homes	`Fri Mar 11 1994 18:58`	9
	re: .7 Maybe it _came_from_ DEFCU management? On the other hand, it could just be the particular branch manager doing her own thing. Remember, the management has taught them that all challenges to the management are evil threats to their livelihood. Elaine
777.9	I've a seat on the BRD and I'm NOT gonna lose it	CSC32::GAULKE		`Fri Mar 11 1994 19:00`	10
	You don't really know if it was from DCU Management. It could have come from another director, and disguised as being from DCU management. Wouldn't surprise me one bit.
777.10		CADSYS::RITCHIE	Gotta love log homes	`Fri Mar 11 1994 19:06`	4
	re: .9 I meant the attitude came from management to the old board, not the other way around
777.11	This came from HQ	SMAUG::GARROD	DCU Board of Director's Candidate	`Fri Mar 11 1994 19:22`	12
	Re: >On the other hand, it could just be the particular branch manager doing her own >thing. Remember, the management has taught them that all challenges to the >management are evil threats to their livelihood. No. What the branch manager had was computer generated output on the thing they print out receipts on. It definitely looked like it came from DCU HQ. It didn't look locally generated to me. Dave
777.12	Why am I not surprised?	SPECXN::WITHERS	Bob Withers	`Fri Mar 11 1994 19:25`	17
	I am not surprised in the least. To me, this smacks of two things: First -- fear. Ol' Chuck is probably afraid that he'll be out of a job if the G3 ticket wins and wants to prevent them from spreading their message. Secondly, this reeks of the DCU's self-serving arrogant attitude. I'm not talking about the people in the branches who are generally nice, but the folks who instigate Relationship BANKing, holiday clubs, and inane letters saying that chidlrens' accounts have a status of "inept" or whatever the letter says. BobW PS, I am surprised that the "DCU Policy" said 100 feet rather than 100KM 8-(
777.13		PATE::MACNEAL	ruck `n' roll	`Fri Mar 11 1994 19:30`	2
	Maybe the DCU doesn't want a campaign happening in front of their doors so it doesn't look like they are actively endorsing a candidate.
777.14		SCHOOL::KOPACKO		`Fri Mar 11 1994 19:47`	6
	RE: .13 Keith, you are one funny guy... :^) Ray
777.15		ASE003::GRANSEWICZ	Candidate for DCU Director	`Fri Mar 11 1994 20:00`	7
	RE: .13 Then DCU should not have placed a branch within 100 feet of an area defined as a cafeteria. We don't make the policies, we only live by them. After all, Digital employees were here first.
777.16		TOOK::DELBALSO	I (spade) my (dog face)	`Sat Mar 12 1994 01:57`	9
	re: .9 > It could have come from another director, and disguised > as being from DCU management. Well, actually that was why I proposed that the board investigate it. Might be kind of interesting . . . -Jack
777.17		VMSVTP::S_WATTUM	OSI Applications Engineering, West	`Mon Mar 14 1994 19:47`	9
	I'm reminded of the movie "Zorro - The Gay Blade" when Lauren Becal (sp) attempts to pursuade the townspeople at the town square to overthrow the greedy bloodsuckers.... "Arrest that woman!" "Wait, doesn't town law allow anyone to speak freely at the town square?" "Yes. Very well then, arrest anyone who listens!"
777.18	Shootin' blanks	ASE003::GRANSEWICZ	Candidate for DCU Director	`Mon Mar 14 1994 20:22`	7
	RE: .17 Thanks for the laugh! This sort of stuff went on two years ago too. It didn't stop us then and it won't stop us now. You'd think somebody might have learned that but I guess not. Like I said, full circle in two short years...