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Conference unifix::sailing

Title:SAILING
Notice:Please read Note 2.* before participating in this conference
Moderator:UNIFIX::BERENS
Created:Wed Jul 01 1992
Last Modified:Mon Jun 02 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2299
Total number of notes:20724

541.0. "help a fellow sailor" by IMBACQ::SIEGMANN () Thu Apr 30 1987 15:48

**URGENT**URGENT*** HELP FOR A FELLOW SAILOR *** URGENT ** URGENT **

Ron was transporting a sailboat to Aruba and was arrested, with crew,
upon arrival for lack of proper documentation, owner papers etc.
He left crew in jail and returned to U.S. to get papers. Upon returning
with papers to Aruba he was arrested, NOT charged, and thrown in jail. His 
crew returned home. He is still there. This could happen to anyone..
What ever happened to U.S. sovereignty???

Thanks, Ed

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    D I G I T A L                                   INTEROFFICE MEMORANDUM
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To:  TWO FACILITY                                   Date: 29-Apr-87
     		                                    From: Angela Smith
     		                                    Dept: SASE Prog.Mgmt
     		                                    Tel:  247-2259
     		                                    Adr:  TWO/A5
    
Subject:  Petition Signatures Required


	Ron Bogue is a CSSE Maintainability Engineering Manager and is presently
being detained in prison in Aruba for the last 19 days.  He has not been charged
or convicted of any criminal act.  The conditions that he is being forced to 
live under are sub human.  The United States Department of State, Director of 
Caribbean Affairs indicated that a petition with U.S. citizen names and 
addresses could help expedited the release of Ron from the current conditions
he is being forced to live in.  Joan Bogue and Carl Cline would appreciate
your assistance by signing a petition.

	I will coordinate this effort for Ron and his wife, Joan.  Whether
you personally know Ron or not your signature as a United States citizen
would greatly appreciated.


Thank You,
Angela




Subj:	SIGNATURE LIST


    Your signature is being requested in support of having the U.S. 
State Department assist in the release of a U.S. citizen being held 
without charge by the Aruban Government. A copy of this package will be 
sent to the U.S. State Department and your congressman.

          NAME                                    ADDRESS



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541.1PULSAR::BERENSAlan BerensThu Apr 30 1987 16:3824
>>> What ever happened to U.S. sovereignty???

U.S. sovereignty begins and ends at our borders, just as every other
country's sovereignty begins and ends at its borders. While another 
country's concept of justice, and its implementation of that concept 
in its legal system, may not be the same as ours, we must accept another 
country's concept of justice and legal system when in that country. 

What has happened to Ron is most unfortunate, and while the Aruban
government, from our viewpoint, is undoubtedly overreacting, it is also
likely acting in accord with its legal system. Ron was ill-advised to
enter Aruba (or any other country) without proper documentation,
ownership papers, etc. The U.S. government does not take kindly to
undocumented foreign vessels entering our waters and has seized those
vessels and imprisioned the crews (after charging them with illegal
entry or something). 

Please do not construe my remarks as condoning the actions of the Aruban 
government or as a lack of sympathy for Ron. I'm collecting signatures 
on the petition.

Alan


541.2WHERE TO SEND?ERIE::WIDDERThu Apr 30 1987 16:473
    WHERE TO WE SEND THE SIGNED PETITIONS?
    

541.3Send to Angie Smith, TWO/A5IMBACQ::SIEGMANNThu Apr 30 1987 18:065
    Angie Smith
    TWO/A5
    
    Thanks, Ed

541.4Please get to Angie by 6 May!IMBACQ::SIEGMANNThu Apr 30 1987 19:062
    Please get these sigs to Angie by 6 May! Thanks. Ed

541.5WHAT DO WE THINK OF THIS ?!?!? (Issued at TWO.)YODA::BROWNMon May 04 1987 17:3518
From:	PARITY::VANLEUVAN     4-MAY-1987 13:14
To:	@GEN:PLANT
Subj:	SOLICITATION

Relative to the petition that was sent out regarding the employee who
is being held in prison in Aruba.  Digital doesn not allow solicitation.
The electronic distribution and public posting of this petition within
Digital is considered solicitation.

If you would like to sign the petition you may do so however it must
not be done on company time.

If you have any questions, please feel free to call Carol Corliss, 
Employee Relations Consultant, at DTN: 247-2168.

Thank you,


541.6Contrast in Company CultureCAADC::GREGORYDon Gregory @ACIMon May 04 1987 19:106
        re -.1
        
        Compare with EDS (whose owner at the time, H. Ross Perot,
        went to great lengths to rescue EDS employees held
        hostage in Iran a while back) ...

541.7GRAMPS::WCLARKWalt ClarkMon May 04 1987 19:136
    
    Was that the baby that just went out the window with the bath water ?
    
    

541.8GRAMPS::WCLARKWalt ClarkTue May 05 1987 17:135
    Anyone have any recent news about Ron, or more details about the
    problem ?
    
    Walt

541.9A comment in the paperDANNO::SAMPSONLazy LightningFri May 08 1987 13:1413
    I found a quick article about this in the paper last night. I was
    going to reprint the article here, but I forgot it. It mentioned
    that he is being charged with falsifying documents. There is a trial
    scheduled and a laywer on his way down there. Something was said
    about the trial being equivelent to a grand jury here. Also, a comment
    was made stating optimism about his quick return home. I don't remember
    word for word what the article said, maybe someone else saw it and
    can tell more. I saw it The Midlesex News I think it was about half
    way through section A if you want to look for it. 
    
    			Here's hoping he makes it back soon.
                        			Geoff

541.10Thanks and updateIMBACQ::SIEGMANNWed May 13 1987 13:1265
:	SASE::ANGELA "Angela Smith, SASE, 247-2259  13-May-1987 0846" 13-MAY-1987 09:04
To:	@JOB
Subj:	UPDATE ON RON BOGUE...SOUNDS A LITTLE BETTER.  THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR HELP AND SUPPORT

From:	MLCSSE::CAPRIO       13-MAY-1987 08:15
To:	SASE::ANGELA

From:	MLCSSE::CAPRIO       13-MAY-1987 08:15
To:	SASE::ANGELA
Subj:	RE: Can you pls send out some status reports on Ron Bogue

HI ANGELA,
   CURRENT STATUS IS AS FOLLOWS:

   - LAST WEEK THE U.S. CONSULATE IN WASHINGTON WAS ORDERED TO ARUBA TO 
     INVESTIGATE THE SITUATION WITH RON'S CASE
   
   - WHILE IN ARUBA, THE U.S. CONSULATE FINALLY GOT THE ARUBAN GOVT. OFF THE
     DIME AND HAD RON FORMALLY CHARGED WITH "INTENT TO FRAUD THE GOVT". THIS
     ALLOWED A TRIAL DATE TO BE SET (FINALLY). RON'S TRIAL IS SCHEDULED FOR
     22 MAY, 1987.

   - THE ARUBAN GOVT. HAS LET UP A BIT IN RON'S TREATMENT IN THAT HE IS NO 
     LONGER IN SOLITARY CONFINEMENT. HE IS NOW IN A CELL WITH THREE OTHER
     INMATES (RON HAS IN FACT CONFIRMED THAT THIS IS BETTER VIA TELEPHONE TO
     JOAN). AT LEAST NOW HE HAS SOMEONE TO TALK TO.

   - AMNESTY INTERNATIONAL HAS HELPED PUT JOAN IN TOUCH WITH THE INTERNATIONAL
     DEFENSE COUNSEL IN REFERENCE TO AN INTERNATIONAL LAWYER WHO HAS WORKED
     TRIALS IN ARUBA BEFORE AND IS QUITE FAMILIAR WITH THE LAWS, COURTS, AND 
     PRISON SYSTEM DOWN THERE. JOAN HAS HIRED HIM TO WORK WITH RON'S LAWYER IN
     ARUBA. 

   - THE LAWYER FROM THE INTERNATIONAL DEFENSE COUNSEL WAS VERY VERY IMPRESSED
     WITH THE PETITION. HE HAS ASKED JOAN TO HOLD OFF SENDING IT FOR A FEW DAYS
     WHILE HE TRIES A COUPLE OF ANGLES WITH THE ARUBAN GOVT. HE SAID THAT THIS
     PETITION WILL HAVE A VERY SIGNIFICANT IMPACT IF IT IS DISTRIBUTED IN
     WASHINGTON AND WANTS TO WORK WITH THE ARUBAN AUTHORITIES TO MAKE THEM
     AWARE OF THE NATIONAL EMBARRASSMENT THEY WILL FACE IF THIS PETITION IS
     DISTRIBUTED (IN ESSENCE, HE IS TRYING TO MOTIVATE A SETTLEMENT PRIOR TO
     THE TRIAL DATE).

   - ON THE PETITION, THE FINAL TALLY OF SIGNATURES IS APPROACHING 3,000. A
     TOTAL OF 20 COPIES HAVE BEEN PRODUCED FOR DISTRIBUTION IN WASHINGTON AND
     WILL INCLUDE COPIES TO PRESIDENT REGAN, VICE PRESIDENT BUSH, SEN. KENNEDY,
     HAROLD EISNER (DEPT. OF STATE), ET AL. AS I SAID EARLIER, THE ACTUAL 
     MAILINGS OF THE PETITION ARE BEING HELD OFF AT THIS TIME UNDER THE 
     DIRECTION OF RON AND JOAN'S LAWYERS.


    PLEASE THANK EVERYONE AT YOUR END THAT MADE THE PETITION DRIVE SUCH A
SUCCESS. IT HAS ALREADY HAD QUITE AN IMPACT ON GETTING THINGS MOVING ON THIS.
PRIOR TO THE INVOLVEMENT OF ALL OF RON'S FRIENDS AND FELLOW EMPLOYEES, THERE
WAS NO MOVEMENT AT ALL IN BRINGING THIS TO A CONCLUSION. AT LEAST THERE IS A
STAKE IN THE GROUND NOW WITH THE TRIAL DATE SET AND GOOD LEGAL RESOURCES HAVE
BEEN IDENTIFIED AND HIRED TO WORK IN RON'S BEHALF. I WILL TRY TO KEEP YOU
UPDATED PERIODICALLY AS THINGS PROGRESS. OF COURSE, IF THERE IS SIGNIFICANT
CHANGE (HOPEFULLY POSITIVE), I WILL IMMEDIATELY SEND YOU MAIL INFORMMING YOU
ON RON'S STATUS.


RON C.

    

541.11humor in a dark timePULSAR::BERENSAlan BerensWed May 13 1987 16:418
'No man will be a sailor who has contrivance enough to get himself into 
a jail; for being in a ship is being in a jail, with the chance of being 
drowned ... A man in jail has more room, better food, and commonly 
better company.'

					Samuel Johnson
					 1709 - 1784

541.12CSSE::MARGEThink in the customer's terms...Fri Jun 19 1987 17:184
    Ron was acquitted today, is coming home!!!!!
    
    Yeah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!