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Conference unifix::sailing

Title:SAILING
Notice:Please read Note 2.* before participating in this conference
Moderator:UNIFIX::BERENS
Created:Wed Jul 01 1992
Last Modified:Mon Jun 02 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2299
Total number of notes:20724

573.0. "Loran help needed" by DSSDEV::DENNERLEIN () Tue Jun 16 1987 15:25

    	My father just got himself a nice little 39' Ketch.  And this boat
    has all sorts of electronic wizardary on it.  And with me being
    a Computer engineer he's asked me to come down and help him out
    with all this stuff.  he's got the Radar up and running but he's
    having trouble getting the Loran going.
    
    	Before I go down I'd like to ask if anyone has any experience
    with a 1985 Micrologic 7500 Loran C?  If anyone has any advice on
    setting up this unit please reply to this note.  I've worked with
    other Loran units before but not this particular one.  
    
    	Let me tell you what I know.  The ship yard has installed the
    unit but did not do any setting up of the software side of the unit.
    My father tried to put in way pionts and he said they didn't work.
    
    	Any advice would be much appriciated. 
    
    	Thanks advanced
    	Jesse

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573.1read the manual?PULSAR::BERENSAlan BerensTue Jun 16 1987 16:4319
When all else has failed, read the manual. Your father did get a manual, 
didn't he?

Seriously, when I last looked at lorans (several years ago), the
Micrologics were not user friendly. My impression is that few (if any)
lorans are really usable without some initial help from the manual or
someone experienced in using the particular loran in question. My
further impression is that there is a direct relationship between the
number of buttons to push and the ease of use. With few buttons each
button is either used for multiple functions or else several buttons
must be pushed in the right sequence to perform a function. Either way a
fair bit of user knowledge is needed. There seems to be an inverse
relationship between functionality and ease of use. My obsolete TI 9900
loran has many buttons (none with more than two functions, both labelled
in English on the panel) and not too many features. I refer to the
manual once or twice a year. 

I know, I know, I'm not answering your question.

573.2A quick description of the Micrologic loranECAD::FINNERTYTue Jun 16 1987 20:2844
    I have a Micrologic 8000, which I think is fairly similar to the
    7500.  Each button defines a group of related functions; on the
    8000, and I believe on the 7500, these are:
    
       NAV     - gives you various readouts about how far off course
                 you are, how much to correct your present course, etc.
       ROUTE   - sets up a courseline of one or several waypoints, and
                 allows you to follow them in reverse order if desired,
                 and/or have the loran automatically step for you when
                 within a user-specified distance from the waypoint
                 ...it also shows the names of the waypoints and several
                 fancy things like 'specified course offset', etc.
       WPT     - gives you your current lat/lon or td coordinates. 
                 the lat/lon conversion seems to be quite accurate around
                 Block Island sound, at least.  It also gives you snr
                 readings, and allows you to specify a range and bearing
                 that you want to go to rather than a waypoint, as well
                 as moving waypoint id's from one to another.  You can
                 also change various characteristics of wpt's, such
                 as their position, alphanumeric name, or number.
       SPEED   - Gives you your current speed over ground, velocity
                 made good, E.T.A., and magnetic course.
       SAVE    - Save your current location into an available waypoint
                 along with the current time of day.
       RECALL  - Moves a saved waypoint into waypoint # range 1-199
                 on the 8000, and probably 1-100 on the 7500.  SAVE
                 stores the waypoint into the 'scratch' area of 200-250
       OTHER   - Various stuff, like whether you want to see the lat/lon
                 in d.m.s. or d.m. and hundredths of minutes, anchor
                 watch limits, manual override station selection, and
                 lots of unimportant stuff that you'll use once, say
                 'neat', and then never use again.
    
    
    as for user-frendliness, i think they're pretty easy to use; the
    best thing since sliced bread.
    
    You didn't say whether or not you had the manual...  it IS essential
    to read it because, like many things, it's only obvious once you
    already understand it!
    
       - jim
    

573.3DSSDEV::DENNERLEINWed Jun 17 1987 12:3712
    Thanks for the Description, now when I go down to the boat at least
    I'll have some clue what's going on with this Loran.
    
    Yes we do have a manual.  I got to Glance at it quickly when we
    first got the boat and the Loran wasn't on it.
    
    Do you remember any specific things you have to do when starting
    this unit up.  I'm sure there are instructions in the manual, but
    every manual has its quirks.  Was this one straight forward or do
    I need to go out and get a Masters in Electrical Engineering before
    I look at this one?

573.4Getting started with the MicrologicECAD::FINNERTYWed Jun 17 1987 15:0116
    No doctorate is required.  I remembered as I was driving home last
    night that Micrologic supplied an instructional cassette tape with
    the loran when I bought it...  I'd be happy to send it to you if
    you gave me you mail address.
    
    There is a startup procedure which clears all the waypoints, but
    I don't remember how to do it off the top of my head.  The manual
    is easy to follow, and the cassette is a good confidence builder
    to get you started and understand what's going on...  my tape is
    for the 8000, though, so I'm sure there will be some differences.
    
    Maybe we ought to supply cassette tapes with our software...
    
       - jim
    

573.5ML initROCKET::HARDYWed Jun 17 1987 17:2026
    If the start-up procedure is the same as the ML-5500 then;
    
    Press C (clear) for about 12 seconds (the unit will *beep* for a
    while during this).
    
    Enter your approx. Lat/Lon: Press C [~lat] EU LAT/LON C [~lon] EL
    LAT/LON
    
    When the display stops flashing... it's initialized.
    
    One more guess! I assume the ML-7500 can do automatic transmitter
    selection. If not (like some of the SI-TECHs), you have to tell
    it what CHAIN GRI to use. But I doubt that if it's Micrologic.
    However, it may be OFF. Once again (IF it's the same
    as the ML-5500);
    
    Press D LIST + + + ...(until you get to the ATS/MEM display)
    
    If ATS is "on" it will say so. If is not, turn it "on".
                                              
    I'm also on the "greatest thing since sliced bread" list as far
    as Micrologic is concerned.
    
    Gary H....
              

573.6We know what's wrong.DSSDEV::DENNERLEINMon Jun 22 1987 13:0317
    Well the weekends over and my face is sunburned but the Loran still
    doesn't work.  Bummer drag.  But we found out what the problem was.
    We checked the Signal to Noise Ratio and found it was Zero.  "Hummm"
    we said.  So we traced the antenna and took a ohm meter to it. 
    As it turns out we had a bad connector at the top of the mast. 
    But we didn't find it until sunday and the marine shop was closed
    so we said "Bag it" and went sailing anyway.  We did a little Dead
    reckoning and were dead on.  As a matter of fact if I had held any
    tighter to my heading I would have ran right over the Bouy we going
    for.  So who needs that stupid Loran anyway:-). 
    
    Well thanks for the help and once we get this Loran up and running
    I will probably join the "Best thing since sliced bread" club. 
    
    Thanks 
    Jesse

573.7Loran battery replacement = expensiveLMOADM::COUTUREAbandon shoreMon Oct 19 1992 13:086
    I've owned my Loran for 5 years now and it's time to change the
    lithium battery.  I've taken it to two different places - one wanted
    $85 to change the battery, one wanted $90.  This seems very high
    to me, especially considering the price of Lorans these days.  Does
    this cost equate with what others have paid?  If not, and it's a
    BIG difference, where did you take/send yours?
573.8loran serviceTOLKIN::HILLMon Oct 19 1992 14:178
    Try Voyager Marine in Essex. They have always been very resonable, they
    even checked mine once, found it didn't need a bettery, charged me
    $0.00.
    
    Voyager is open Saturday mornings, till noon. The number is
    508-768-7260.