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Conference unifix::sailing

Title:SAILING
Notice:Please read Note 2.* before participating in this conference
Moderator:UNIFIX::BERENS
Created:Wed Jul 01 1992
Last Modified:Mon Jun 02 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2299
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531.0. "TBT bottom paint" by CAMLOT::BLAISDELL () Fri Apr 17 1987 19:51

The day after I put in an order for new bottom paint, SOUNDINGS arrived in the
mail with several articles on controversy around TBT in bottom paint. This is
the first time I've painted and was not aware of possible problems with its
use. Not needing to paint, I never paid any attention to articles about paint.

Since I was planning to use Micron-33, which contains TBT, I now need to know
if New Hampshire allows its use in freshwater or is actively considering a
ban. Anyone know? Any opinions on whether I should return the Micron-33? I'm
thinking I may never be able to use it again and may not want to use it now.

- Bob  

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531.1I had problems with micron33ADS::MACKINNONFri Apr 24 1987 16:3722
    
    I do not know if N.H. bans TBT. I used Micron 33(white) on the rudder
    of my Wavelength 24. This was a big mistake, the stuff is terrible
    to work with. A friend used micron33(white) on the whole bottom
    of his evelyn26, I watched him prepare the bottom ""exactly"" has
    suggested. I then watched him completely sand and remove the
    micron33 the next year. I have used VC17M, and I LIKE it. I am
    going to use it on my new boat this spring. The diferance between
    this time and last(boat) is  that I will be priming the bottom with
    VC-TAR in order to seal up the bottom. Then I will overcoat the
    bottom with VC17M. This paint is ideally suited for fresh water.
    It does not come off on your bathing suit when you are swimming
    around the boat. It does not require sanding each season. After
    the first seasons application(recommended two coats) only one
    coat needs to be applied. It supposed to make your boat go
    faster(ha,ha). The VC-TAR goes on sprayed,brushed,roller. The VC-17M
    must be rollered or sprayed(it is so slippery it won't stick to
    the paint brush). I know this doesn't answer your question but it
    does give you an alternative to Micron33.
            Donald
    

531.2GRAMPS::WCLARKWalt ClarkFri Apr 24 1987 18:4436
    I am starting my 3rd season with Micron.  I used 33 previously and
    just overcoated with 44.  Unlike .1, I have not experienced any problems
    either applying it, having it adhere, or having it work as advertised.
    
    I must have looked pretty good to several "Smurfs" in our yard (those
    funny blue people every spring who look similar to folks you know).
    After I painted my boat following a soap and water wash of the bottom,
    a bunch of the "Smurfs" took back their vinyl and epoxy paints for
    Micron. They accused me of preparing and painting the bottom in
    a Sunday suit. It wasnt true, I was also wearing disposable coveralls
    and laytex gloves.

    
    As I understand it the leaching type paints with tin are a much
    bigger problem (environmentally) than the copolymers with tin
    because they emit the toxicant even while the boat is inactive.
    The copolymers need water moving (5-8kts I understand) across
    the paint to expose and release tin, which (for salt water boats)
    means the tin is exposed mostly in open water, where it is least
    harmful (assuming the ocean is an infinite sink to our polutants).

    Since I dont do any fresh water sailing I am not familiar with the
    issues there (are there any shellfish in freshwater ?, do you need
    real bottom paint in a lake ?, etc.).
    
    I suspect the regulators will over-react and ban all tin paints
    the same way they banned overboard discharge of "untreated" MSD
    systems (like that would make a difference when cities like Boston,
    Providence, etc., regularly dump millions of gallons of the stuff).

    I would say, to be safe, you might want to think about switching
    to a copper based copolymer (Micron44 is something like 45% copper
    and 10% tin, I think Rule KL- has an all copper one).  
    
    Walt

531.3scrapePULSAR::BERENSAlan BerensFri Apr 24 1987 19:284
Careful: Interlux does not recommend sanding Micron 33 because the 
tribuytltin methacrylate (TBT) biocide can be released into the air and 
breathed. Scraping is recommended instead. 

531.4Congress Looking at TBT paintsCAMLOT::BLAISDELLThu Apr 30 1987 16:0473
Associated Press Thu 30-APR-1987 05:59                           Deadly Paint

pwrX30-APR-8705

Bill Would Limit Use of Popular Boat Paint Because of
Environmental Harm
                           By DAVID GOELLER
                        Associated Press Writer
   WASHINGTON (AP) - Congress is being asked to crack down on a
widely popular boat paint that is a boon for barnacle-hating
skippers but fatal to shellfish.
   The calls for sharp restrictions on hull paints containing
tributyltin, or TBT, are coming from lawmakers, state environmental
officials and a marine scientist who says that even tiny amounts
are toxic to some marine life.
   But the Environmental Protection Agency and officials from paint
and chemical companies say this would be premature because EPA is
studying the situation and could propose interim rules for TBT
paints by year's end.
   Appearing before the Senate Environment and Public Works
environmental protection subcommittee on Wednesday, the two sides
agreed on TBI's value to commercial and recreational vessels.
   Because of its killing properties, it prevents barnacles and
other marine creatures from clinging to hulls, thus cutting speed
and fuel economy and necessitating more frequent drydocking and
repainting - a big-ticket item for commercial vessels.
   But, the witnesses also said, TBT's barnacle-killing ability is
indiscriminate; it can also destroy clams, oysters, mussels and
tiny marine life as it is released into water from painted hulls.
   The agreement ended when it came to the actual dangers posed to
mollusks by TBT and the concentrations needed to ravage shellfish
beds.
   ``TBT is toxic to marine organisms at levels as low as about 20
parts per trillion,'' said subcommittee chairman George Mitchell,
D-Maine.
   Sen. John Chafee, R.I., said 20 parts per trillion is the
equivalent of one drop of TBT spread out over 500,000 tank trucks
full of water.
   ``Extensive laboratory tests in the United States and other
countries have produced scientific documentation of the harmful
effects of TBT on marine life,'' said Sen. Paul Trible, R-Va., the
legislation's principal sponsor.
   In the past year, Maryland and Virginia have taken the national
lead in moving against TBT paint by barring its use on vessels
shorter than 82 feet and setting maximum rates at which TBT can be
released from hulls.
   Dr. Torrey Brown, Maryland secretary of natural resources, said
water samplings at four Chesapeake Bay marinas last year found mean
concentrations of TBT ranging from 51 to 408 parts per trillion,
with peak readings reaching 998 parts per trillion.
   Velma Smith of the Virginia State Water Control Board said more
than 70 percent of the pleasure and commercial boats in the world
use TBT paints. ``The use of TBT is growing, and left to itself,
the problem will get worse,'' she said.
   Robert Huggett of the Virginia Institute of Marine Science at
the College of William and Mary said that while scientists do not
know what concentration of TBT is safe for marine life, ``we know
it is extremely low.''
   John Moore, assistant EPA administrator for pesticides and
toxics, said the legislation should be shelved because his agency
is studying the problem and could propose some short-term
restrictions on TBT this year.
   He acknowledged, however, that implementation of regulations
could be held up for two or three years if anyone forces EPA to
hold an administrative appeal hearing on its plan.
   Also urging rejection of Trible's bill, which would allow use of
only those paints that release very miniscule amounts of TBT, were
officials from International Paint Co. and M&T Chemicals Inc.,
which produces TBT.
   They said Congress should allow EPA to continue its research,
which Moore estimated could take up to four more years and would
provide the basis for any long-term restrictions.