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Conference unifix::sailing

Title:SAILING
Notice:Please read Note 2.* before participating in this conference
Moderator:UNIFIX::BERENS
Created:Wed Jul 01 1992
Last Modified:Mon Jun 02 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2299
Total number of notes:20724

426.0. "wire to rope splice" by MILVAX::HO () Fri Oct 24 1986 20:41

    Can anyone provide a reference for making wire-to-rope splices?
     In particular, I've seen a short cut method which uses a nicopress
    fitting in the process but the person who knows about is doing time
    in an Aussie jail (really, they caught him cutting up Courageous'
    mainsail).  The splice in question is still holding my jib halyard
    together and I'm reluctant to sacrifice it to discover the secret.
    It's not for sure I'd understand it if I opened it up anyway.
    Most of the riggers I've spoken to want $25+ to do one which seems
    a bit steep.  

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426.1spend the doughTILLER::SEARSPaul Sears, SHR1-4/D27, 237-3783Mon Oct 27 1986 13:275
in my opinion, it would be the best $25 you ever spent, particularly
if you ever go aloft in a bosun's chair attached to the jib halliard!

paul

426.2Try WestCDR::FANEUFMon Oct 27 1986 20:006
    West marine sails also offers wire/rope spliced halliards all made
    up and ready to go, at reasonable prices.
    
    Ross Faneuf
    

426.3The Arts of the SailorGING::GINGERMon Oct 27 1986 20:1515
    The best book EVER for rope work is 'The Arts of the Sailor' by
    Harvey Garret Smith. The hardcopy versions are long since out of
    print, but it was redone in paper back a few years ago and still
    turns up in book stores. His illustrations are GREAT. 
    
    He does show a wire to rope splice. Its a bit tricky but not
    impossible. Ive done both wire to rope and wire splices.
    
    Note to .1- dont ever go up on a halyard with the rope tail on the
    winch- the rope is only the 'handle' used to get the wire down to
    the winch.
                                                             
    Ron Ginger
    

426.4GRAMPS::WCLARKWalt ClarkTue Oct 28 1986 12:2320
    RE: .3
    
    How in the world does one go up on a halyard (wire-rope) without
    ever having the rope half only around the winch ?   Levitate ?
    
    I dont know about yours, but mine are set so that the rope has just
    led off the winch when the halyard is tensioned with sail up. If
    the wire was longer, I would have to handle it while tailing. I
    would sooner have an all wire halyard/wire winch than handle wire,
    or go to an all Kevlar rope for low stretch.
    
    While on the subject of length, should the rope part be on the winch
    exclusively, mixed with wire on the winch, or off the winch completely
    when a sail is hauled home ?   I would tend to favor the first
    alternative after seeing what the wire has done to the drum of my
    chromed Lewmars, but it would seem a more secure affair in the last
    case. 

    Walt

426.5use ropePULSAR::BERENSAlan BerensTue Oct 28 1986 21:045
With all the nifty low stretch ropes available now, I see absolutely no 
reason for wire halyards (maybe only if you are a fanatic racer). My 
rope halyards are seven years old and haven't scratched a winch drum 
yet.

426.6maybe if it ever wears out...GRAMPS::WCLARKWalt ClarkWed Oct 29 1986 11:458
    Mine came with the boat.  If I had to make a choice I would certainly
    opt for the super low-stretch ropes too.  I make a habit of not
    fixing things that "arent broken", and the wire works just fine (since
    the sail is in effect up all year, there is a sense of security
    in that halyard, and thats nice too).
    
    Walt

426.7Just after the winch...CLUSTA::DAMONFri Oct 31 1986 15:4515
    Ref .4
    
    In my experience, tradition, practice and safety all say the wire
    should come down the mast, around the winch and part way to the
    cleat. Ideally the splice taper will be just off the winch. Take
    enough turns on the winch to put the splice in this position.
    
    The main purpose is to relieve the splice (likely the weakest part)
    of the heavy strain ahead of the winch and not experience the fatigue
    of being wound around the cleat. Any damage to the drum is part
    of the price of owning a boat. My experience is that it does no
    serious damage - strictly cosmetic. A badge of courage.
    
    Pete

426.8GRAMPS::WCLARKWalt ClarkThu Mar 19 1987 17:278
    I just read in the April Cruising World Fix-Up section, a piece
    by Katy Burke which insisted that the wire/rope splice remain
    above the winch (rope only on the winch).
    
    Anyone know what is really "correct" ?
    
    Walt