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Conference unifix::sailing

Title:SAILING
Notice:Please read Note 2.* before participating in this conference
Moderator:UNIFIX::BERENS
Created:Wed Jul 01 1992
Last Modified:Mon Jun 02 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2299
Total number of notes:20724

339.0. "Out-of-Town Crew?" by USAT03::BPLATTER () Wed Jun 18 1986 23:27

    VAXnotes was just introduced (opened up) to the sales reps off of
    my node today and I found the Sailing VAXnotes Conference.  I noticed
    back in March '84 there was a topic on "Crew Wanted".  As a Sales
    Rep from Tulsa, OK I have the opportunity of traveling to New England
    (MRO or MKO) once a year for a training class or two.
    
    My question is ... Any skippers willing to take on out-of-town
    crew for a week-end or day with advance planning?  I have owned a 
    Chrysler 22 in years past with experience in gusty big lake winds.
    Just looking for an opportunity to help out for the chance of a
    day's saling. 
    
    Ben Platter @TSO  or  a reply here.

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339.1Pilot's License needed?NANOOK::SCOTTLee D. ScottFri Jun 20 1986 02:2411
    Ben - (And any others concidering)
    Take note - The Coast Guard does frown very heavily on boat owners
    who do not have their Pilot's License and their boat documented
    commercial on taking on passengers for hire!  From what I understand
    one could possibly loose their boat and get hit with a $10,000.00
    fine besides! That is unless I missread the laws.  Anyone care to
    comment?
    The way I understand, one can not even receive a free dinner for
    gratutity.
    Lee

339.2check your papersGRAMPS::WCLARKWalt ClarkFri Jun 20 1986 14:1612
339.3SUMMIT::THOMASEd ThomasFri Jun 20 1986 18:1210
    Talk about tacky behavior!!
    
    My interpretation of the preceeding legalese is that the guest is a
    "guest" as long as the host does not request the guest to provide any
    goods (or services). If the guest offers to provide anything (goods or
    services) the host would seem to be off the hoook. Yes? Maybe, unless,
    except....
    
    Ed 

339.4Hitchhikers & Stow-AwaysUSAT03::BPLATTERSun Jun 22 1986 22:197
    I appreciate the cautions about chartering without a license.
    No harm intended in my query, nor to the friendly skipper who
    offered a ride via VAXmail.  Therefore I rephrase my question;
    Anyone pick-up water-hitchhikers and/or week-end stow-aways? :-)
    
    Ben

339.5Might, Maybe, Com'on aboardNANOOK::SCOTTLee D. ScottMon Jun 23 1986 03:3722
    Ben-
    The warning wasn't pointed to you at all but to anyone who might
    have offered to charter their boat without the proper whatever...
    and wanted to do so prior to anyone responding to your note.

        Anyway - I have a boat in Portsmouth Harbor ("New" England) in Kittery
    Maine. He's/she's a 37' sloop by Endeavour of which I'm on at this
    moment with a Pro 350 in the V-birth.  I generally go sailing
    when ever I can and wouldn't mind having you (and maybe your wife if
    you bring her) for a daysail.  Let me know when you'll be up in
    this neck of the woods and maybe we can get together if we can make
    the connection.
    
    I would have responded via VAX mail but there may be others in the
    conference who would like to get together for the day or maybe have
    a rondevu (probably misspelled) at the Isles of Shoals.
    
    I'ld continue on but it just struck 7 bells of the first watch and
    will get back on to read any comments tomorrow evening during the
    second dog watch.
    Lee

339.6Portsmouth Harbor or BustUSAT03::BPLATTERMon Jun 23 1986 16:089
    Captain Scott....
      Thanks for the friendly invitation!  I will send you a mail message
    when I get confirmation on my classes.  My wife and I went through
    Kittery last September on the way to Monhegan Island (via land...,
    unfortunately).  You are fortunate to live in such a terrific
    "neighborhood"!  I'll be in contact with you later on.  In the meantime
    I'll need to brush up on my nautical terms (7 bells of the first
    watch??) . . . Ben

339.7need crew?BPOV09::TMOOREMon Jun 23 1986 16:5410
    I have a smaller (25') sailboat in Sakonnet Pt. Rhode Island.  I
    go down (about 100 miles from where I live when not baoting) every
    weekend.  Let me know when your in town, I'm always looking for
    a crew.
    
    Tom
    
    
    

339.8Boat + License = You bring beerCHOPIN::RICKARDTue Jun 24 1986 19:039
    I not only have a 32' Freedom I also have my Coast Guard Captain's
    License, so you can bring the beer!  I have been introducing my
    group to sailing this summer (Mid-Range VAX Engineering) and will
    continue to do so throughout the summer.  I keep my boat an hour's
    sail north of Newport in Naragansett Bay.  Let me know when you'll
    be around this area.
    
    Pam

339.9Thank-you Captain RickardUSAT03::BPLATTERTue Jun 24 1986 21:548
    Pam...  Sounds like a winner!  If my class schedule holds, I will
    be in Boston the week of July 20th ..or.. the week of August 10th.
    Hopefully once I find out the pair of week-ends I'll be in Boston
    I can get on your crew list.  I'll DECmail my plans in the next
    three weeks, hopefully I can fit into your existing plans and not
    "rock the boat" :-) .  What type of beer do northeastern salty-dogs
    prefer??     Ben

339.10charteringPULSAR::BERENSAlan BerensThu Jun 26 1986 16:3920
re .1 and .2:

The solution to the problem being discussed here is fairly simple, I
think. The relatively unskilled sailor does not pay the boat owner to
take him/her sailing. That results in the legal hassles described.
Rather, the relatively unskilled sailor bareboat charters the yacht,
with the charter agreement stipulating that the relatively unskilled
sailor (now the charterer) hire a qualified captain of the charterer's
choice. The captain is then the paid employee of the charterer and the
charterer is legally responsible for the safety of the yacht. Of course,
if the owner happens to have a Coast Guard license, then the charterer
might well hire the owner. It is perfectly legal to bareboat charter a
yacht documented for pleasure use. This also avoids the questions of 
insurance and commercial use. Of course, this process can be a mite
expensive for a weekend or day sail -- my insurance company charges a 
stiff, fixed surcharge for a charter of eight days or less. 

Alan