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Title:SAILING
Notice:Please read Note 2.* before participating in this conference
Moderator:UNIFIX::BERENS
Created:Wed Jul 01 1992
Last Modified:Mon Jun 02 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2299
Total number of notes:20724

189.0. "Boatbuilding and other lunacies" by WHY::FANEUF () Thu Oct 03 1985 20:00

I just spent a pleasant hour browsing through this notes file; I have found
it a pleasure to meet all of you in this way.

I've been sailing for about 12 years; mostly charter cruising and crewing
for friends, and mostly in Maine. Then six years ago I could no longer bear
it; I had to have my own boat...

But as usual, I couldn't afford the boats I craved, and couldn't stomach
the boats I could afford. This has led me into that classic trap - I'm building
my own. I am building a WEST system double headsail sloop 36' loa, 11' beam,
draft 6' 9", flush deck, fin keel; strip plank and veneer over full frames
(all laminated). Strip planking 70% done, all bulkeheads and floors already
in place (building upside down). (whew!).

It's nice to see that there are still people in the world actually sailing;
I can anticipate at least five more years until that happy day.

I would appreciate: yarns from other boatbuilders past and present; tips
about sources for materials and tools; handy hints for the single-handed
builder; advice and/or sympathy; abuse and derision are also acceptable,
if sufficiently amusing...

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189.1WHY::FANEUFThu Oct 03 1985 20:015
I forgot...

My name is Ross Faneuf; live in Hampstead, NH (southeast). Looking forward
to hearing from any sailor/builder, for any reason.

189.2SUMMIT::THOMASFri Oct 04 1985 10:3123
Welcome aboard.

I looked long and hard at building a kit but ended up buying a used Sea Sprite
23. She's a neat old girl (one of the first ones made, even before they started
numbering hulls) with the original interior that I'll start to rebuild next
Spring. 

You're probably aware of these materials sources but if you aren't they seem
to have fairly good prices:

Jamestown Distributors
Jamestown RI
800-423-0030
Boatbuilding supplies and fasteners

Defender Marine
Somewhere in New York
Fiberglass, other building suplies and general gear
Phone number will be put into note 190 by a kind and generous soul


Ed

189.3RDF::RDFFri Oct 04 1985 16:589
Welcome aboard as well..  

You might also want to check into overseas equipment purchasing for such
items as winches, blocks..etc.   The catalogs show some real good buys compared
with US prices.  Some catalog hourses in England are mentioned in a previous
note.

Rick

189.4CEO03::BRODEURWed Nov 06 1985 20:01169
    
    THE IDEA OF REBUILIDING A BOAT FIRST OCCURRED TO ME AFTER READING AN 
    ARTICLE IN CRUISING WORLD.  THE STORY TOLD OF SOMEONE WHO HAD BOUGHT A 
    DUFOUR 27 THAT HAD BEEN DAMAGED BY FIRE.  HE REBUILT IT FOR A PRICE OF 
    ABOUT $2000, NOT BAD FOR A 27 FOOT BOAT.
    
    FIRST OF ALL ,I HAVE WANTED TO HAVE A BOAT THAT WAS CAPABLE OF CRUISING 
    FOR SOME TIME,BUT DUE TO INSUFFICIENT FUNDS I COULDN'T JUSTIFY THE 
    EXPENSE.  SO I  HAD TO RESIGN MYSELF TO THE FACT THAT I WOULD HAVE TO 
    BUY A BOAT KIT OR A BOAT THAT NEEDED SOME REPAIR.  I STARTED BY READING 
    THE CLASSIFIED ADS IN THE PAPERS FOR A BOAT IN THE PRICE RANGE I COULD 
    AFFORD.  I ALSO SENT AWAY FOR BROCHURES ON DO IT YOURSELF KIT BOATS.
    
    THIS PROCESS OF INVESTIGATION WENT ON FOR 2 YEARS,IN THE MEANTIME I HAD 
    TO RESORT TO CHARTERING AND SAILING WITH FRIENDS TO SATISFY MY SAILING 
    DESIRES.  DURING THIS TIME I SOLD THE 14 FOOT DAYSAILER WHICH I HAD 
    OWNED WHILE LIVING IN CONN., AND USED FOR SAILING THE MOUTH OF THE 
    CONNECTICUT RIVER AND LONG ISLAND SOUND.  I DID THIS BECAUSE OF A 
    RELOCATION TO CHARLOTTE N.C. WITH MY COMPANY.  THE SEARCH WENT ON.
    
    BOAT SHOWS WERE ALWAYS FUN TO GO TO,BUT I ALWAYS LEFT THEM FRUSTRATED 
    BECAUSE I SAW SO MANY BOATS THAT I LIKED BUT COULDN'T AFFORD.  I 
    DECIDED TO STAY AWAY FROM THE SHOWS BECAUSE OF THIS.  HERE I WAS A 
    FRUSTRATED SAILOR WITH NO BOAT TO SAIL.  I RESIGNED MYSELF TO BEING AN 
    ARM CHAIR SAILOR AS I PERUSED OVER MY COPIES OF CRUISING WORLD AND 
    DREAMED OF THE DAY WHEN I WOULD OWN A BOAT OF MY OWN AGAIN.
    
    ONE DAY IN MARCH OF 1983, I SAW AN AD IN THE DAILY NEWSPAPER FOR A BOAT 
    THAT HAD BEEN IN A FIRE.  IT WAS FOR A 22 FOOT LAGUNA TRAILERABLE 
    SAILBOAT.  IT SOUNDED INTERRESTING AND I DECIDED TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT.  
    AFTER A PHONE CALL IT WAS SET UP TO GO LOOK AT IT.  SINCE IT WAS RIGHT 
    IN THE CHARLOTTE AREA I DECIDED TO TAKE MY WIFE ALONG WITH ME.  WE SAW 
    THE HULL IN THE DRIVEWAY AS WE APPROACHED THE OWNERS HOME.  RIGHT AWAY 
    I STARTED TO GET EXCITED. IT WAS RAINING BUT THAT DIDN'T STOP ME FROM 
    GETTING OUT OF THE CAR TO LOOK IT OVER WHILE MY WIFE AND DAUGHTER 
    REMAINED IN THE CAR.
    
    I WALKED UP THE DRIVEWAY,AND AS I DID I INSPECTED THE HULL, IT DIDN'T 
    LOOK TOO BAD UNTIL I GOT TO THE DECK OR WHAT WAS LEFT OF IT.  THE WHOLE 
    INTERIOR WAS GUTTED AND ALL THAT REMAINED WAS PART OF THE COCKPIT AND 
    ABOUT 3 FEET OF THE DECK ON THE BOW.  INSIDE, THE HULL WAS FULL OF 
    WATER AND ASHES AND ASSORTED OTHER CHARRED REMAINS OF THE CABIN AND 
    RIGGING.  AS I INSPECTED THE HULL FURTHER, I DISCOVERED THAT ON BOTH 
    SIDES OF THE HULL THERE WERE AREAS WHERE THE RESIN IN THE FIBERGLASS 
    HAD BEEN MELTED OUT FROM THE FIRE.  THE DAMAGE WAS QUITE SEVERE AND I 
    DIDN'T KNOW WHETHER I COULD REPAIR IT.
    
    I THEN TALKED TO THE OWNER ABOUT THE BOAT HE TOLD ME THAT THE FIRE HAD 
    OCCURRED WHEN THE BOAT WAS ON THE TRAILER IN HIS BACK YARD.  OBVIOUSLY 
    THE FIRE WAS OF SUSPICIOUS ORIGIN.  WE TALKED A LITTLE LONGER ABOUT THE 
    BOAT AND HOW HE HAD LIKED IT WHEN HE HAD SAILED HER,AND THEN I LEFT.  
    ON THE WAY BACK HOME I WAS TRYING TO CONVINCE MYSELF THAT I COULD DO IT 
    EVEN THOUGH I HAD NEVER ATTEMPTED TO DO ANYTHING OF THIS SORT BEFORE.  
    WHEN I GOT BACK HOME I WENT SEARCHING THROUGH MY OLD ISSUES OF CRUISING 
    WORLD TO FIND THE ISSUE WITH THE STORY ABOUT THE BURNT DUFOUR 27.  
    FINALLY I FOUND IT AND REREAD THE STORY,I WAS THEN CONVINCED THAT I 
    COULD DO IT.  NOW ALL I HAD TO DO WAS CONVINCE MY WIFE THAT I COULD.  
    SUPRISINGLY ENOUGH SHE WAS VERY RECEPTIVE TO THE IDEA.  NOW I HAD TO 
    NEGOTIATE THE PRICE WITH THE OWNER.  HE WANTED 1250 DOLLARS WHICH I 
    THOUGHT WAS TOO HIGH,AFTER SOME THOUGHT I DECIDED THAT THE TRAILER 
    ALONE WAS WORTH AT LEAST 950 DOLLARS SO THIS WAS THE OFFER I MADE.  THE 
    OWNER ACCEPTED IT IMMIEDIATELY WHICH WAS KIND OF UPSETTING TO ME IF I 
    HAD KNOWN HE WOULD ACCEPT THAT PRICE I WOULD HAVE BID LOWER.  GONE WAS 
    THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO A LITTLE YANKEE STYLE HAGGLING OVER THE PRICE.
    
    AFTER CARRYING OUT THE TRANSACTION I WAS FACED WITH THE PROBLEM OF HOW 
    TO GET IT HOME.  THE TRAILER WASN'T REGISTERED AND I DIDN'T WANT TO 
    REGISTER IT YET BECAUSE I WOULD HAVE TO PAY TAXES ON IT WHILE IT WAS 
    SITTING IN MY YARD.  I CALLED A TOWING TRUCK COMPANY WHO SAID THEY 
    WOULD TOW IT TO MY HOUSE FOR $25 THE SAME PRICE AS TOWING A CAR,AND THE 
    TRAILER DIDN'T HAVE TO BE REGISTERED,SO I DECIDED TO LET THEM DO IT.
    
    AFTER GETTING THE BOAT HOME I WAS NOW FACED WITH THE PROBLEM OF WHERE 
    TO PUT IT. I DIDN'T HAVE A GARAGE SO THE BOAT ENDED UP AT THE END OF MY 
    DRIVEWAY WHERE THE GARAGE WOULD HAVE BEEN IF I HAD ONE.  NOW BEGAN THE 
    CLEAN UP PROCESS.  I GOT ON SOME BOOTS AND OLD CLOTHES AND CLIMBED 
    ABOARD WITH A BUCKET IN HAND.  AS I BAILED OUT BUCKETS OF MURKY SLUDGY 
    WATER I CAME ACROSS PIECES OF THE BOAT WHICH COULD BE USED TO REBUILD 
    IT,SUCH AS STAINLESS STEEL HARDWARE.  IT WAS QUITE A TREASURE HUNT, I 
    EVEN FOUND A SMALL OUTBOARD MOTOR THAT LOOKED SALVAGEABLE.  ALL THE 
    SALVAGEABLE HARDWARE WAS REMOVED AND PILES OF WET SOGGY FOAM RUBBER AND 
    FIBERGLASS WERE DISCARDED.  I THEN PURCHASED A BOAT COVER TO KEEP THE 
    BOAT DRY SO I COULD WORK ON IT.
    
    ABOUT TWO DAYS AFTER THE BOAT WAS PURCHASED I GOT A PHONE CALL FROM 
    SOMEONE WHO HAD HEARD THAT I HAD BOUGHT THE BOAT.  HE SAID THAT HE 
    OWNED A FIBERGLASS REPAIR SHOP AND WANTED TO BUY THE BOAT FROM ME.  I 
    IMMIEDIATELY REFUSED BECAUSE I HAD JUST STARTED WITH THIS VENTURE AND 
    NO ONE WAS GOING TO SPOIL MY DREAM.  AS TIME HAS PASSED SINCE THEN I 
    FIND MYSELF WONDERING WHY I DIDN'T TAKE HIM UP ON THE OFFER. TEN MONTHS 
    HAVE PASSED SINCE I BOUGHT THE BOAT AND I HAVE BEEN AWAY FROM HOME 
    SEVERAL TIMES ON BUSINESS AND PERSONAL TRIPS WHICH HAS LIMITED THE 
    AMOUNT OF TIME I COULD PUT INTO REBUILDING.
    
    MY NEIGHBORS MUST THINK I'M CRAZY TO ATTEMPT SUCH A FEAT,AND THEY 
    PROBABLY DON'T CARE MUCH FOR A BURNT OUT HULL OF A BOAT IN THEIR 
    NEIGHBOORHOOD.  THE WEATHER HAS BEEN VERY HOT DURING THE SUMMER AND 
    COLD DURING THE WINTER,I WAS LIMITED AS TO WHEN I COULD WORK ON THE 
    BOAT IN RELATIVE COMFORT.I THOUGHT WOULDN'T IT BE NICE TO HAVE A GARAGE 
    TO PUT THE BOAT IN SO I COULD WORK ON THE BOAT REGARDLESS OF THE 
    WEATHER.  IN JANUARY OF 84 I MADE A NEW YEARS RESOLUTION TO HAVE A 
    GARAGE BUILT.
    
    SO BEGAN THE GARAGE BUILDING PROCESS.  I KNEW A NEIGHBOR WHO WAS A 
    CONTRACTOR SO I TOLD HIM WHAT I WANTED AND HE AGREED TO BUILD IT FOR 
    ME.  OF COURSE THE GARAGE HAD TO BE A CUSTOM BUILT ONE BECAUSE OF THE 
    FACT THAT THE BOAT HAD TO FIT INTO IT.  THE GARAGE WAS TO BE 14'X24'X9' 
    WITH A 8'X9' DOOR.  THE PRICE WAS $5995 WHICH DIDN'T INCLUDE FINISHING 
    THE INTERIOR WHICH I AGREED TO DO ON MY OWN.  BY THIS TIME WINTER HAD 
    PRETTY WELL SET IN AND IT WAS TOO COLD TO WORK OUTDOORS ESPECIALLY TO 
    ANY FIBERGLASS WORK.
    
    ON THE SUBJECT OF FIBERGLASS, I HAD NEVER DONE ANY FIBERGLASS WORK 
    BEFORE NOW BUT I WAS RAPIDLY LEARNING HOW DIFFICULT IT WAS TO WORK 
    WITH.  I HAD FOUND A SUPPLIER OF RESIN AND GLASS IN CHARLOTTE AND HAD 
    PURCHASED ENOUGH TO RESTORE THE DAMAGED PORTION OF THE HULL.  SINCE 
    THEN I HAVE LEARNED ENOUGH ABOUT THIS MATERIAL TO REALIZE THAT IT'S NOT 
    EASY TO WORK WITH.  I'VE ALSO INSTALLED THE DECK SHELF TO PREPARE FOR 
    INSTALLING THE DECK.  AS SOON AS THE GARAGE IS BUILT I WILL START ON 
    THE CONSTRUCTION OF BULKHEADS AND THE DECK.
    
    IT'S MAY OF 1984 NOW AND THE GARAGE OR BOATHOUSE AS I CALL IT IS NOW 
    FINISHED,I INSULATED THE WALLS AND CEILING SO THAT IT WOULD BE 
    COMFORTABLE TO WORK IN YEAR ROUND.  I'VE PURCHASED THE PLYWOOD FOR THE 
    BULKHEADS AND HAVE FIT THEM TO THE HULL.  NOW I'M WAITING FOR SOME 
    RESIN AND GLASS SUPPLIES THAT WAS ORDERED TO ATTACH THEM TO THE HULL.  
    IN THE MEANTIME I'VE SENT AWAY TO A VARIETY OF VENDORS FOR BOATBUILDING 
    SUPPLIES CATALOGS.  I'VE SPENT A LOT OF TIME DECIDING HOW I WANT THE 
    INTERIOR TO LOOK AS WELL AS THE DECK APPEARANCE AFTER IT'S DONE.   
    OBVIOUSLY NOW IS THE TIME TO MAKE ANY CHANGES BEFORE GLASSING IN THE 
    BULKHEADS.  THINGS ARE STARTING TO TAKE SHAPE AND I FIND MYSELF GETTING 
    EXCITED ABOUT THE PROJECT.  I CAN ALMOST SEE MYSELF SAILING HER NOW.
    
    IT'S NOW OCTOBER OF 1984, SINCE MAY THERE HAVE BEEN A FEW CHANGES THAT 
    HAVE TAKEN PLACE.  THE BULKHEADS HAVE BEEN GLASSED IN AND A FINAL LAYER 
    OF MAT APPLIED TO THE HULL INTERIOR.  THE STARBOARD BUNK HAS BEEN 
    ROUGHLY FRAMED AND THE CENTERBOARD TRUNK HAS BEEN FRAMED.   THE NEXT 
    STEP WILL BE TO COVER THE FRAMING WITH MELAMINE BOARD AND TRIM IT OFF.
    
    IT'S NOW MAY OF 1985,  THE DECK HAS BEEN CONSTRUCTED OUT OF PLYWOOD AND 
    MELAMINE AND IS NOW READY FOR COVERING WITH GLASS.  I HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE 
    TO WORK ON THE BOAT MUCH DURING THE LAST FEW MONTHS BECAUSE OF MY WORK 
    SCHEDULE AND OTHER COMMITMENTS.  I JUST BOUGHT SOME MORE RESIN AND 
    FIBERGLASS MATT AND I'M READY TO GO AT THE SMELLY PROCESS AGAIN.  I 
    ALREADY STARTED WITH A RESIN PUTTY FILLING IN HOLES AND FAIRING OUT THE 
    ROUGH CORNERS.  IT'S STARTING TO LOOK LIKE A BOAT NOW,  I ANTICIPATE 
    HAVING THE DECK COVERED AND FINISHED BY THE END OF THE SUMMER.
    
    OTHER FRIENDS OF OURS HAVE BEEN GETTING INTO BOATING LATELY AND IT'S 
    MAKING IT EVEN MORE FRUSTRATING TO SEE THEM OUT THERE SAILING WHILE MY 
    BOAT IS STILL IN DRY DOCK.  HOWEVER THE DAYY WILL COME WHEN SHE WILL 
    SAIL AGAIN AND SHE WIL BE PAID FOR WHEN SHE'S DONE!
    
    OCT 22-85 THE DECK IS NOW FIBER GLASSED OVER AND NOW I'M IN THE FINAL 
    STAGE BEFORE PAINTING IT.  I'VE USED ABOUT 6 GALLONS OF BODY FILLER TO 
    SMOOTH OUT ROUGH SPOTS IN THE HULL EXTERIOR AND THE DECK.  I HAVE GONE 
    THROUGH SEVERAL PACKAGES OF SANDPAPER AND MADE A LOT OF DUST,  BUT 
    FINALLY IT'S STARTING TO LOOK LIKE I'VE ACCOMPLISHED SOMETHING.  I'VE 
    BUILT AND FIBERGLASSED OVER THE POP TOP AND CUT OUT HOLES FOR WINDOWS 
    AND HATCHES.  NEXT STEP IS TO GET SOME LEXAN OR ACRYLIC FOR HATCHES AND 
    WINDOWS.
    
    I'D LIKE SOME HELP LOCATING A GOOD SOURCE OF LEXAN FOR THE HATCHES.  
    ALSO I'D BE INTERRESTED IN BUYING A NEW OR USED MAST AND SAILS FOR A 22 
    FT BOAT.  ANY IDEAS?.
    
    HOPE YOU ENJOYED THE STORY
    

189.5CYBORG::CORKUMThu Nov 07 1985 15:408
See the Marine Exchange - Rt. 1 in Danvers for deals on used sales and
masts as well as a boatload (excuse the expression) of other materials.

p.s. I enjoyed your story. Good luck

Bill C.


189.6UPDATE TO THE REBIRTH OF THE PHOENIXCEO03::BRODEURWed Mar 04 1987 12:3872
    IT'T NOW MARCH 4,87, FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO ARE WONDERING HOW THE
    PROJECT IS GOING.  I'VE FINISHED THE BOAT TO THE POINT WHERE IT'S
    BEEN SAILED ,HOWEVER IT'S STILL NOT COMPLETE TO THE POINT WHERE
    I WANT IT.
    
    HERES AN ACCOUNT OF THE THINGS I'VE DONE SINCE I FIRST ENTERED THIS
    NOTE. 
    
    THE HATCHES,HAND RAILS AND TOERAIL WERE FABRICATED FROM TEAK AND
    LEXAN.  I FOUN LOCAL SUPPLIERS FOR THESE MATERIALS.  TOTAL COST
    WAS $88 FOR THE LEXAN AND $62 FOR THE TEAK.  I USED 1/2 IN. LEXAN
    FOR THE SLIDING HATCH AND FORWARD HATCH,  AND 1/4 IN. LEXAN FOR
    THE WINDOWS ON THE SIDE OF THE CABIN.
    
    THE MAST I AQUIRED FROM A LOCAL MARINA FOR $350.  IT WAS A SPARE
    MAST THAT WAS ORDERED AND NEVER USED FOR AN O'DAY SAILBOAT.  IT
    WAS 28 FT. LONG,  1 FT. LONGER THAN THE ORIGINAL MAST BUT I DIDN'T
    CUT IT DOWN.
    
    THE SAILS I PURCHASED FROM SAILS USA.  A MAIN AND LAPPER FOR A COST
    OF $500.  THEY WERE MADE TO FIT THE ORIGINAL BOAT (LAGUNA).  THEY
    FIT WELL AND PERFORMED WELL SO FAR.  I REALIZE NOW THAT WITH THE
    EXTRA LONG MAST,  I SHOULD HAVE HAD A LARGER MAINSAIL MADE,  IT
    WOULD HAVE FIT AND IT WOULD HAVE ADDED A FEW EXTRA SQUARE FT OF
    SAIL AREA.
    
    I RIGGED THE MAST USING USING 5/32 STAINLESS WIRE,  THE ORIGINAL
    RIGGING WAS 1/8 BUT I DECIDED TO USE 5/32 FOR THE EXTRA STRENGTH.
    THE HALYARDS AND SHEETS ARE 1/2 IN. STA SET X LOW STRETCH BRAID,
     I USED ABOT 200 FT. OF THIS
    
    THE DECK RIGGING SUCH AS CLEATS CHAIN PLATES ETC. WERE MOSTLY FROM
    THE SALVAGED ORIGINAL PARTS.  I DID ADD WINCHES AND JAM CLEATS AND
    GENOA TRACK FOR THE JIB.
    
    THE INTERIOR OF THE BOAT WAS PRIMED WITH "KILZ",  A PAINT PRIMER
    WHICH IS GOOD FOR COVERING BURNED MATERIALAND IT KILLS THE BURNT
    SMELL TOO.  I THENUSED AN INEXPENSIVE URETHANE PAINT OVER THIS.
     I TRIMMED THE INTERIOR WITH DOUGLAS FIR STAINED TO LOOK LIKE TEAK.
     I USED THIS BECAUSE IT WAS CHEAP COMPARED TO TEAK AND WAS READILY
    AVAILABLE AT HECHINGERS A LOCAL BUILDING SUPPLY STORE.  I BUILT
    IN BOOK SHELFS AND STORAGE AREAS BEHIND THE BERTHS IN THE MAIN CABIN.
    I USED INDOOR OUTDOOR CARPETING  WITH A FOAM BACKING TO COVER THE
    SIDES OF THE HULL IN THE V BERTH AND ON THE CABIN SOLE.
    
    THERE WAS A SMALL SLIDE OUT GALLEY WHICH INCLUDED A SINK, 5 GAL.
    WATER TANK AND ALCAHOL STOVE.  THIS WAS MOSTLY SMOKE DAMAGED AND
    I WAS ABLE TO REBUILD  THIS WITH A LITTLE PAINT, SOME LEFTOVER PIECES
    OF TEAK.  I ADDED A DRAWER FOR EATING UTENSILS ETC.  I ALSO INSTALLED
    A NEW HAND PUMP FOR THE SINK.
    
    I WIRED THE INTERIOR FOR 12V USING AN OLD MF10 PORT SEL SWITCH PANEL
    AND TOGGLE SWITCHES.  THE RUNNING LIGHTS AND MASTHEAD LIGHT AND
    COMPASS LIGHT AND BILGE PUMP ARE ALL WIRED UP TO THIS PANEL.
    
    RIGHT NOW THE BOAT IS IN DRY DOCK IN MY GARAGE WHILE I AM PAINTING
    AND REWIRING THE TRAILER.  I ALSO PLAN TO PAINT THE BOTTOM USING
    INTERLUX 2001 WHILE THE BOAT IS OFF THE TRAILER.
    
    WELL I GUESS YOUR PROBABLY WONDERING JUST HOW MUCH ALL THIS COST.
    THE TOTAL COST OF THE BOAT,TRAILER AND MATERIALS USED TO REBUILD
    IT WAS LESS THAN $4000.  HOWEVER AS ALL BOATERS KNOW THE DEFINITION
    OF A BOAT IS "A HOLE IN THE WATER INTO WHICH ONE POURS MONEY HOLDS
    TRUE. THERE IS NO END TO IT THERE'S ALWAYS SOMETHING THATS NEEDED
    OR WANTED.
    
    DOES IT SAIL?  YOU BET SHE DOES AND I'M VERY PLEASES WITH THE END
    RESULT.  I HAVE SAILED THIS PAST YEAR IN SUCH PLACES AS WESTPORT
    MASS TO CUTTIHUNK,  LAKE NORMAN N.C. TO THE OUTER BANKS OF N.C.
    AND CLEARWATER TO TAMPA BAY FLA.  THIS IS ONE OF THE ADVANTAGES
    TO OWNING A TRAILERABL SAILBOAT.  

189.7Looking for old friend!HXOA01::MOWBRAYfrom NewfoundlandThu Aug 09 1990 12:0614
    I spent most of my spare time from 1971 - 1975 working on a 48'
    ferro-cement schooner here in St. John's (Nlfd,Can).  At the end
    of my involvement (dissolution of a partnership) the hull was complete
    but the spars built but little else.  The sole owner then proceeded
    to work for the next 8 years or so on the boat but finally gave
    up in 1983 - 1984.  The boat then passed through a couple of hands,
    but remained in Newfoundland until she was bought by someone from
    the US.  I understood that the new owner then sailed her to the
    Boston area and I heard that she had gone aground and been wrecked
    in a storm.  She was 48', Staysail Schooner with centre cockpit
    and I believe that she was painted a yellowish/green.
    
    Does anyone out there know of a boat with such an unluck end that
    might have been her ?
189.8Could be your old friendDNEAST::POMERLEAU_BOThu Aug 09 1990 12:284
    There is a ferro-cement schooner with center-cockpit moored in Rockland
    Maine. The hull is black and it hails from Boston, it is quite large
    compared to my Bristol 24, it could be a 48 ft boat. If you are
    interested in more info about this boat I will ask about its history.
189.9Yankee Marine, NbptVARESE::SIEGMANNThu Aug 09 1990 14:193
    There is (when last I looked in Dec.) an old-looking black
    ferro-perhaps-schooner in Yankee Marine, Newburyport, Ma.
    About 45-50'. Been there for several years. Good luck, Ed
189.10HXOA01::MOWBRAYfrom NewfoundlandFri Aug 10 1990 11:405
    re: .8
    
    If it is not too much hassle, I would be interested.  Please dont
    go to any trouble though, this kind of nostalgia might start me
    looking for old girl friends as well.  Hmm......
189.11Thanx for the REBIRTH OF THE PHOENIX storyRDGENG::BEVANThu Sep 26 1991 07:226

   I thoroughly enjoyed reading about the REBIRTH OF THE PHOENIX. Thanks for
   putting the story in. I don't think I would ever be involved in such a big 
   project. Just the running maintainance is (nearly) too much to keep up with
   and already intrudes too much into the sailing time.   Steve