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Conference unifix::sailing

Title:SAILING
Notice:Please read Note 2.* before participating in this conference
Moderator:UNIFIX::BERENS
Created:Wed Jul 01 1992
Last Modified:Mon Jun 02 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2299
Total number of notes:20724

1384.0. "Depth Finder Problems" by SQPUFF::HASKELL () Fri Nov 03 1989 14:20

    Now that the boats is up on stands for the winter and the motor
    has been pulled for a major rebuild, its first in 22 years, I was
    thinking about resolving another problem that has been bothering
    me since I bought the boat.
    
    Under sail, my depth finder (analog) works very well and is very
    accurate.
    
    Under power, regardless what the depth, the depth finder reads between
    80 and 100 feet. Even in six feet ofd water.
    
    I tried adding a choke and twy 10,000 uf capacitors between the
    + side of the battery and the + input into the head of the unit.
    This only caused the finder to screw up when under sail as badley
    as when under power.
    
    Any suggestions?
    
    PS I have two batteries in parallel.
    
    Paul

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1384.1Keep Trying!VINO::LIUFri Nov 03 1989 14:3415
Some things to make sure of:

1) You have an excellent ground (-) connection between all parts of your
   depth sounding system.

2) You hooked up the cap's across the + and ground at your head and
   the choke is between the + side of the cap's and the batteries.

New spark plugs and leads on your engine will probably help as they and
your alternator or generator put out the electrical noise.  If you
have a generator, you may be able to put a noise surpressor cap across
the output terminals.  Also put one across the output of the regulator.

Electrical noise problems can drive you nuts!

1384.2MSCSSE::BERENSAlan BerensFri Nov 03 1989 14:435
re .0:

Do NOT parallel batteries. See note 926.


1384.3Further steps for EMI reductionASHBY::NELSENFri Nov 03 1989 23:5152
    If the interference is due to high frequency transients in the MHz
    region, which it could very well be, then the 10,000 uF cap is too
    large --  it would not be effective above a few hundred kHZ.
    
    Try instead a 0.1 uF ceramic 100V capacitor across the power terminals
    on the depth sounder itself.  Leads should be kept as short as
    possible.  Try for a couple of mm maximum on each lead.  1 cm can be
    too long for noise above a few MHz.
    
    If that doesn't work, then add a ferrite torroid (they're sold at Radio
    Shack now) in the form of two U-shaped ferrites that meet at a machined
    serfaces to form a closed square;  the whole works is held together with a
    plastic clamp.  Wind BOTH power leads together through this ferrite
    loop.  At least 6-8 turns of both leads.  This would help eliminate the
    common-mode noise coming down the pair of power leads.  The bypass cap
    across them eliminates the differential mode.
    
    Re-test to see if the problem leaves after each of these steps.
    
    Instead of using the ferrite, you could add a second inductor to the
    ground power lead.
    
    Next, on the pair of signal  wires or cable going to any second unit,
    wind the entire cable around the ferrite loop, to break any common-mode
    path.
    
    Also, put the small cap and ferrite common-mode choke combination on
    the remote unit if there is separate power and ground to that.
    
    The suggestion of putting a cap on the alternator is important and
    should be done.
    
    Last, to be elegant, once you find the cure, you can start removing
    some of the other things you had on to find exactly what it was you did
    that was critical.  Then you can work on cleaning up the source of the
    interference on that lead by doing filtering at the source.
    
    EMI suppression is difficult and requires quite a good knowledge of
    that field to do it for hard problems.  It is far worse when you are
    trying to set up a SSB radio on the boat and find it not only
    interferes with everything, but also burns some of it out!  It can also
    interfere with the autohelm before these suppression steps are done. 
    Eventually, we cured all interference --  but it required bringing a
    high frequency scope aboard to do it. 
    
    Don
    
    
    
         
    

1384.4SDEVAX::THACKERAYMon Nov 06 1989 15:3712
    If your depth-finder transducer is aft of the propellor, you may
    be observing a problem more applicable to power boats, ie. wash
    and air under the transducer. When there are any bubbles in contact
    with the transducer, it becomes inoperative.
    
    The solution is the get it positioned better. If it's on the transom,
    then move it away from the prop. If it's a through-hull, it's a
    bit of a pain but I would suggest putting it for'd.
    
    Cheers,
    Ray.