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Title:All about Scandinavia
Moderator:TLE::SAVAGE
Created:Wed Dec 11 1985
Last Modified:Tue Jun 03 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:603
Total number of notes:4325

305.0. "University of Sund*all/7-bit mode" by MARKER::BRAKO () Tue Nov 01 1988 15:57

	I am trying to write a Q & A piece for Product INSIGHT magazine, 
	and I have a question from some guy at the ``University of
	Sundswall'' in Sweden.  Someone else told me it may be Sundsvall.
	Is there anyone out there that can confirm the correct
	spelling of the university?  We don't want to print an error.

	Thank you,
	Anne Marie Brako

	P.S. The next question is more out of curiosity.  The Swedish customer
	wanted to know if a certain product of ours supported 7-bit mode.
	Does anyone know what that is?  Is it a European or purely a
	Swedish standard?
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305.1SundsvallTLE::SAVAGENeil, @Spit BrookTue Nov 01 1988 17:463
    Spelling is definitely "Sundsvall."  It's a town in north central
    Sweden, on the Baltic (east) coast. 
    
305.2National character setsFOOZLE::TERRYYour favorite martian...Tue Nov 01 1988 18:3721
305.3more than you really want to knowBOLT::MINOWBush/Horton: for a kinder, gentler, AmericaWed Nov 02 1988 14:0224
From about the VT200 series onward, Dec terminals have supported European
7-bit "National Replacement Character Sets" that, as Terje pointed out,
display $#@[\]^`{}|~ (I think that's all) in some locally-specified variant.
Not all countries change all characters.  For example, the UK only changes
# (to pound-sterling).

Also, most, if not all, of our serial line printers (such as the LA50)
support the same character sets.

The VT200 and VT300 series also support the Dec Multinational character
set, that uses character values between 129 and 255 for the national
letters for manu European languages.  The VT300 series also supports
ISO Latin-1, an extension of Dec Multinational that is the current
standard.

A user's application can select the particular character set needed
by sending an escape sequence.  Also, the VT200 series and, I presume,
the VT300 series allow the terminal user to specify the particular
national character set to use when the terminal is turned on or reset.

Hope this answers your customer's question.  Let me know if I can
help you further.

Martin.
305.4Even more! :-)FOOZLE::TERRYYour favorite martian...Wed Nov 02 1988 16:4210
305.57 or 8 bit?STKSMA::AHLGRENDonald Duck for President!Wed Nov 02 1988 19:4326
    Just a small comment to those of you that doesn't know anything
    about computers.
    
    7-bit Char. and 8-bit char : What does it mean?
    
    Every character that you type on you terminal is translated so
    that the computer shall be able to read it . (actually it's
    vice versa). Every character is 'built' of 7 or 8 bits. A bit
    is either 1 or zero (or ON/OFF).
    
    7 bit :  100000 = A
    8 bit : 0100000 = A
    
    The 7-bit was the 'old' standard allowing you to have 128 different
    characters.
    
    Then they realized that if every 'normal' alphabeth should have
    all their characters in the ASCII table you'd had to add another
    bit (To the Byte).
    
    Therefore in the modern standard 8 bits are used , leaving space
    for 256 different characters.
    
    If I'm wrong about this please correct me...
    
    Paul.
305.6OK, let's get more specific...MARKER::BRAKOThu Nov 03 1988 16:0520
	Thanks to all the respondents.  We'll use the "v" spelling.

	To clarify my P.S., the customer was not interested in
	our terminal support.  They were interested in our workstations
	and unnounced product XYZ that will implement the X Window System
	from M.I.T.  [OK, now we DECies know what I'm talking about.  
	And we are talking about XYZ to the public even though the
	product is still unnannounced so I think it's OK to talk about
	it here.]

	I know that our workstations support terminal emulation in
	windows, but the point of the XYZ product is that it allows
	for multiple windows.  How would XYZ product be run?  In
	multiple terminal-emulation windows?

	Perhaps this is the wrong place for this question, but the
	readership of this note appears to be technical enough to
	handle it.  

					- Anne Marie	
305.7FOOZLE::TERRYYour favorite martian...Thu Nov 03 1988 17:1716
    I'm not sure I understand what your question has to do with 7-bit
    replacement character sets, but the last time I ran DECwindows (FT2) X
    Windows had no support for national replacement char. sets and neither
    did DECwindows but I seem to remember that the DECwindows terminal
    emulator (DECterm) had or will have. Something might happen with
    DECwindows V1.1 when it comes to internationalization and 7-bit
    replacement char sets. 
    
    So if you want to run your product under DECwindows I think all
    your input/output must come through a DECterm widget.
    
    Then again, I might be wrong. I don't have a workstation anymore
    (and I miss it!) so I can't check it out for you. You might want
    to ask this question in the BULOVA::DECWINDOWS conference.
                          
    				Terry
305.8Sundsvall University?WAGON::CELESTINOTue Nov 08 1988 17:057
    I lived in Sundsvall 1967-68 and still correspond regularly with
    friends in that area.  I am not aware that there is a "university"
    in that area, although I think there is an engineering school or
    "technical high school" in the area.
    
    Sundsvall is a lovely city, quite small by American standards.
    
305.9X should be ok...BOLT::MINOWRepent! Godot is coming soon! Repent!Tue Nov 08 1988 19:2815
Yes, Sundsvall is a nice town in the summer -- I was there for O-ringen
last July.

But, back to the problem at hand.  I'm running X-windows (version 10)
layered on an Ultrix workstation connected to a VMS system.  It can
display the Latin-1 (8-bit multinational) character set, but it doesn't
handle LK201-compose correctly.  (If I had the sources and an hour,
I could fix this.)

Adding national replacement characters is pretty simple.  It is
reasonable to expect this in terminal emulation products we sell, but
-- as I'm sure Ann-Marie already knows -- you should ask that question of
the product's manager.

Martin.