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Title: Soccer Football Conference
Notice:Don't forget your season ticket.....
Moderator:MOVIES::PLAYFORD
Created:Thu Aug 08 1991
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
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95.0. "AVERAGE CROWDS/GROUND LIMITS" by KIRKTN::CDOUDIE (B.U'S FURRA CUP..) Tue Sep 24 1991 18:35

    
    This is the crowd limit and average gate topic.
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95.1TOTH::CHAVESTue Sep 24 1991 18:429
    
    In Portugal 3 weeks ago we had 60,000 at Porto, 45,000 at Benfica
    and 13,000 at Braga (playing against Sporting). Every other game
    had crowds of 3 to 8 thousand. Take away Benfica Porto and Sporting
    and its hard to imagine how other teams can afford to meet  expenses.
    Second division game attendance was even worst.
    
    JC
    
95.2Elland RoadBAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millTue Sep 24 1991 19:0110
    Leeds United limit at Elland Road is 32,917
    Gate at Liverpool game on Saturday   32,917
    
    Average so far this season is 30,500
    
    There should be a new stand built during Summer 1992, to be finished in
    time for the 1993-1994 season, Elland Rd capacity will then be 40,000,
    all seater.
    
    jb.
95.3Some Scots StadiumsKIRKTN::CDOUDIEB.U'S FURRA CUP..Tue Sep 24 1991 19:0219
    
    Re .-1
     
    You could say the same about Scotland, take away the Celtic and
    Rangers home gates and the crowds can average pretty low.e.g.These
    games against each other are usually sell outs i.e.44,000 at Ibrox
    last season and around the 55 to 60,000 mark at Celtic Park.
    But ground size/limit in Scotland is pretty low.
    
    St Johnstone - 10,000 capacity
    Hearts       - 23,000  "  "
    Falkirk      - 10,000  "  "
    
    That's all I can remember off hand although Ibrox is being upgraded
    to the 55,000 mark this season I think.
    
    p.s. Bo'ness United - 3,000 capacity
    
    
95.4Nobody watches League Football in SwedenSTKOFF::SPERSSONPas de problemeTue Sep 24 1991 19:2312
    
    Average gates in the Swedish league is 3-4,000. Athmosphere is
    non-existant. No club attracts significantly more than the others. A
    capacity crowd has not been seen for the past 10 years, at least.
    
    Do they deserve better attention? I don't know, I have not been at a
    league game since I was a little kid (about Cunno's age, I'd say)
    
    I don't think we'd score well even if the Standard Crowd Size Factor
    was considered.
    
    Stefan
95.5Some infoSCOAYR::BCOUGHTRIETue Sep 24 1991 19:4611
    Rangers average home game has been about 33,000 this season so far,
    this is in a current stadium capacity of 36,000, due to construction of
    the new 3-tier stand.
    
    The new complete stadium will house 52,000 all-seated.
    
    I'll try and get some accurate info on all other clubs home gates,
    normally boosted by the old firm playing.
    
                                               
                                                       Brian.
95.6AVERAGE ATTENDANCE IN SPAIN = HIGHMDRLEG::AREVALILLONosce te ipsumTue Sep 24 1991 20:2614
95.713,000ULYSSE::CHAMPOLLIONChris the JesterWed Sep 25 1991 01:0623
95.8Scrap The CompetitionPANIC::ANDERSONWarnock's Wheelbarrow in the FirstWed Sep 25 1991 12:4412
    
    Approximately 55,000 fans watched the 9 First Division clubs in action
    last night in the Rumbelows (League) Cup - that's an appalling average
    of only just over 6,000.
    
    Wimbledon again took the biscuit as just 2,081 turned up at Selhurst
    Park to see them lose 2-1 to Peterborough.
    
    Rob
    
    Mind you, even the Mega-Huge club from Merseyside only managed a paltry
    8,000 odd - Excuses please Watto ?
95.9RTOIC::GGAUGLERWed Sep 25 1991 13:1024
95.10Bundesliga crowdsRTOIC::GGAUGLERMon Sep 30 1991 15:3717
95.11Far from capacityPAKORA::GMITCHELLThe King of wishful thinkingMon Oct 14 1991 23:274
    Average West Calder Juniors crowd this season is 32 men and two dugs.
    Wouldn't be too bad if that wasn't counting subs and officials.
    
    
95.12Super-Leaguers MotivationPANIC::ANDERSONThe 'Pies have gone coldMon Oct 28 1991 18:0630
    
    
    
    With a quarter of the Football League season now gone, the following
    table is the average gates of all Division 1 clubs :
    
  Manchester Utd 	45,023
  Liverpool 		36,571
  Arsenal	 	32,782
  Tottenham Hotspur	32,473
  Sheffield Wednesday 	30,504
  Manchester City 	29,746
  Leeds United 		29,653
  Aston Villa 	 	26,810
  Everton 		26,469
  Nottingham Forest 	22,842
  West Ham United 	22,720
  Chelsea 		20,825
  Sheffield United 	19,318
  Crystal Palace 	18,993
  Southampton	 	15,959
  Norwich City		15,062
  Oldham Athletic	13,928
  Notts County	 	13,334
  Coventry City		13,092
  Queens Park Rangers 	12,723
  Luton Town		 9,068
  Wimbledon 	 	 7,203
    
    Rob
95.13ASKFOR::HAIGHStill hazy after all these beersWed Oct 30 1991 12:202
    City down in 6th!!!!! Interesting figures, though I suspect some are
    hampered by capaities.
95.14Average = Capacity / 2 :-(PANIC::ANDERSONThe 'Pies have gone coldWed Oct 30 1991 14:0711
>>         <<< Note 95.13 by ASKFOR::HAIGH "Still hazy after all these beers" >>>
>>
>>    City down in 6th!!!!! Interesting figures, though I suspect some are
>>    hampered by capa(c)ities.
>>
    
    So that's why County's average is so low :-)
    
    Rob
    
       
95.15UNTADI::WILCOCKSONPass the lardWed Oct 30 1991 15:403
    At least County get into double figures. Lutons 9.068 average
    attendance is only two average sized families.
    Does anybody know their names?
95.16pretty fullSHIRE::STIEBERThu Jan 16 1992 18:3717
    funny......
    
    I was in the Luton record crowd (30,069, since you ask) v. Blackpool in
    a 6th-round cup replay in 1959....those were the days....
    
    I was also at the Luton v. Chelsea game just before New Year (me and
    Mr.Major), at which the crowd was announced as just over 10,000,
    all-ticket.
    
    With my poor eyesight, I reckoned the place was just as full this time
    as it was back in '59, albeit a mite more comfortable.  Even if they
    beat Liverpool every week nowadays, they couldn't cram many more in. 
    This being so, I reckon an average gate of 9,068 is 90% of capacity,
    and not to be sneezed at.
    
    Aatchoooo.  
              
95.17Graham Taylor for comic of the year.WELCLU::BWALKERCome on you Hatters.Thu Feb 06 1992 22:247
    re -1.
    
    Here Here I agree. whats the point of having 20000+ seats when only
    9000 bums want to sit on em.
    
    
    Barry.
95.18Live tv midweek v's Saturday games.PAKORA::CDOUDIEFree Scotland...Fri Apr 17 1992 09:0426
    
    re -1
    
        That's 18,000 cheeks....8*)
    
    Hearts v Airdrie
    
    Scottish cup final replay. crowd 11,000.
    
    OK....it was on SKY tv and the weather was bad, but surely Hearts can
    muster 11,000 fans by themselves. Haven't a clue about Airdrie's
    support or population. This is not a dig at Hearts or Airdrie, but are
    live tv games, midweek, going to kill crowds at games.
    
    Does anyone else have any figures as to live games on tv as opposed to
    games not on tv. Remember to take weather into consideration because
    some fans won't go if it's raining or cold anyway.
    
    Midweek.
    H v A  SFAcup semifinal replay 11,000. weather : terrible. Live : yes.
    
    If someone could enter league crowds for this tie then we will see if
    there's any difference. Sorry, but don't know the crowd for the first
    game, it was the usual saturday game though.
    
    Colin.
95.19PAKORA::GMCDONALDLIGHTTue May 26 1992 03:336
    re last,
    
    
           Crowd for Hearts vrs Airdrie on the Saturday was 22,000 +
    
    SQF Jambo
95.20Na mar HeartsKURMA::CREILLYI LIKE THEM BIGSat May 30 1992 06:566
     Celtic Park 55-60,000 most weeks...

    	Only lower when Hearts arrive due to inferior football from the
    Jambos.....
    
    		Chazs the main man	 
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    Re -1  "Celtic Park 55-60,000 most weeks..." 
    
    I take it you only noticed the crowd size for two games Charlie...????
    
    Celtics average gate was 21-22,000 it would have been far less if they
    didn't have 2 55,000 complete sell out games against Rangers.
    
    Rangers ( IBROX capacity 43,000 ) had an average of 36-37,000.
    
    
    
    
95.22More room now,since McStay has McGONE.PAKORA::ISUTHERLANDCeltic's Trophy Cabinet For SaleSat May 30 1992 16:524
    
    Naw Gordon i think you got it wrong.
    It must be another of those 25th anniversary things.;>)
    
95.23Who cares.MASALA::NPATERSONJambo in europeMon Jun 01 1992 12:2817
    RE.20
    
    Q.1 Who finished second in the league. A.1 Jambo's.
    
    Q.2 Who can beat the Hibees. A.2 Jambo's.
    
    Q.3 Who can beat Celtic home and away. A.3 Jambo's.
    
    Q.4 Who can get into europe without using the back door. A.4 Jambo's.
    
    Q.5 Wno cares about attendances. A.5 Not a Jambo.
    
    
    
    Another SQF Jambo.
    
    
95.24Thought this might be of interest...MILE::JENKINSWed Feb 26 1997 17:0032
    
    
    This was sent me - I think it was originally in World Soccer....
    
                                                         Tot.    Ave.
               1  Real Madrid                       	669000  83625
               2  Barcelona                           	740000  82222
               3  Bayern M=FCnchen               	491000  61375
               4  Milan                                 389941  55706
               5  Manchester U                    	494861  54985
               6  Roma                                  439148  54894
               7  Borussia Dortmund           		359400  51343
               8  Internazionale                    	349633  49948
               9  Celtic                                390497  48812
               10 Ajax                                  431976  47997
               11 Rangers                            	423123  47014
               12 Napoli                              	316768  45253
               13 Stuttgart                          	361000  45125
               14 Sevilla                             	400458  44495
               15 Real Betis                       	341000  42625
               16 Valencia                          	332000  41500
               17 Lazio                              	243047  40508
               18 Juventus                         	280994  40142
               19 Liverpool                       	353436  39271
               20 Arsenal                          	338166  37574
               21 Everton                          	333400  37044
               22 Athletic Bilbao              		333000  37000
               23 Koln                              	294000  36750
               24 Newcastle U                 		291934  36492
               25 Fiorentina                     	254453  36350