Conference trucks::football;1

I understand, although I don't read such papers that the Mirror had on its 
back page yesterday two pictures and some headline. The two pictures were of a
football, the round type, and a goalmouth, in which you put the ball. The 
headline said something like England, here is a foball and here is a goalmouth, 
now *score*. They did that but unfortunately by some stretch of the imagination 
conceded two very unlucky goals in the second ;-).

What is the reaction, today in the tabloids? Is it "Taylor on your bike" or 
some other equally enlighting headline.

If Ireland had been in Englands position last night would they have done much 
better. I have my doubts!

                             James.

    
    
    SWEDES 2
    
    
    
    
    SWEDES 2 : TURNIPS 1
    
    Surely an outrageous insult to turnips
    
    
    How about the two pictures on the back picture of the Daily Record.
    
    Picture 1         				Picture 2
    
    Scots supporter & Swedish policemen         English supporter & Swedish
    arm in arm smiling                          policeman with Englishmans
                                                arm up his back

    Taylor should go!
    
    Poor tactics, poor substitutions, poor selection, poor postioning......
    .... I could go on!
    
    Having said that several individuals played well Lineker,Woods,Pearce &
    Walker - but as a team - no chance!
    
    Well done the Swedes, not the "prettist" football, but they battled
    well and made far more scoring chances and deserved their win (and the
    late 1st half penalty)!
    
    I'm glad I'm "related" to a jolly Jocko (albeit by my wife's brother's
    marriage!).
    

    Taylor completely failed to read the game (second half) last night
    and should be put against the wall and shot !! IMHO 8-)
    
    I dread to think how much he is paid.

    You guys sure have short memories. Cant you remember what happened to
    Robson. Every major championship England played in the press where one
    time or another calling for his head (mexico 86 , Germany 88 and Italy
    90). He didnt go , even when the players where saying he was doing the
    wrong thing.
    
    Taylor will not go. His excuse this time will be that he only had half
    the players he wanted (one was not asked). Unless a miracle happens and
    we can find a goalscorer , we wont be going to the WC. He might go if
    we fail to qualify for that. I said before this championship that I
    couldnt see who was going to score in that team and now that Gary has 
    gone , who is going to do it now - Smith - dont make me larf. England 
    have got to hope that Gazza recovers and that Mr Major ... oops Mr 
    Taylor will pick him.
    
    If he goes before then , and I for one wish he would go now , ill eat
    my words.
    
    BTW to all you McNoters - hope you get stuffed tonite.
    
    Nigel

>>>Note 233.6                 Should he or shouldn't he?                     6 of 6
>>>FUTURS::FLETCHER                                     21 lines  18-JUN-1992 15:06
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>>>    BTW to all you McNoters - hope you get stuffed tonite.
    
>>>    Nigel
    
    Dear Hooray Noter,
    
    Are you related to that other ambassador for English noting ...
    
    Mr Barefield ....perchance ?
    
    :-)

    
    
    re.7  
    
    They are both bum chums.

    RE:.7.8
    
         GS
    
    Nigel

    
    Nige,
    
    don't let them get to you - after all, the brilliant Scots are coming
    home in triumph after two glorious defeats - lets get those bagpipes
    out and sing about Bonnie Prince Charlie.................. :-)
    
    Paul - I'm ENGLISH by the way

    Taylor won't go until he fails to qualify for the WC in '94.
    
    If he wants to save his job, he should play Ian Wright.
    
    How can anyone omit the First Divisions leading scorer from the squad??
    
    Can the Scots imagine fielding a team without Ally McCoist??
    
    PJ
    

    
    
    Paul.......Losing to the Euro champs and the World Champs and then
    stuffing the C.I.S 3-0.......Aint all that bad really, a lot better
    than the thugs from south of the border.
    
    Peter - I'm Scots by the way.

    
    
    	Well said Peter !!!
    
    	How many games did England win again ?
    
    	Hope they keep Taylor on as manager because he`s letting
    	the REAL supporters down by the teams he`s putting on the
    	park, just as much as the HOOLIGANS are letting England
    	down off it.
    
    
    	Tam..... I`m Scottish Tae.
    
    
    
    
    
    	P.S. Could someone please give the Englishman ( Paul )
    	     a good HARD kick in the Knackers !!
    
    
    	Thanks.
    

    
    
    It's amazing how differance a week makes you don't hear a peep out
    of the Mcnoters prior to the competition, a couple of results later
    (that should be one win later) they creep out of the woodwork....
    What would it be like if they won two games.
    
    
     Neil... ENGLISH 

    
    Re : last n replies
    
    Grow up the lot of you - just face the facts that neither Scotland nor
    England were up to it....
    
    ....but at least Scotland tried to be.
    
    Rob

    
    
    Note 153.119 by SUBURB::INV_LIBRARY - jeff,
    
>   For England, there were many lessons to be learned from this game.
    
    As much as I agree with you (and what a game it was !), I fear that
    England (well, Taylor) will have learned nothing from this game.
    
    On the way home last night, I was listening to Radio 5 prior to kick
    off. They held an interview with Taylor, and here is basically what he
    said.
    
    Overall, he was happy with England performance. If we played against
    Denmark like we played against Sweden in the first half, we would have
    won. That is why we didn't qualify, because we didn't beat Denmark.
    
    The night before the France game, he thought about letting Daly loose
    against the French back (was it Amoros ?). After the game he wished he
    had. That is the only thing he would have changed.
    
    He said previously, that when England came out the other side of these
    Championships he would have the core of Team to qualify for the World
    Cup. He says he has a core of 8 players, including Shearer, Palmer,
    Batty, and Martyn.
    
    He said, as Sweden has shown us, you can be successful with the long
    ball game. So that is thy style England are going to adopt, because it
    is how the game is played in this country, and we know its strengths.
    
    End of quotes.
    
    I heard yesterday, that these Soccer Schools of Excellance teach this
    route one method. 
    All I can say is, 
    
    "Good Luck in the 94 World Cup, Holland and Poland."
    
    Wayne

    The fact of the matter is that people expect England to win something,
    so when they dont its a let down.......
    
    People dont expect Scotland to win something, so when they do well
    and give the best of themselves they look OK......
    
    -Dom ...ENGLISH and SWISS....but please dont mention the Swiss teams
    :-)
    

    
    -Dom,
    
      I don't *expect* England to win something, but I do expect them to
    play well, and to *do* well. After all, I do not believe that English
    players are that bad. I have seen one or two players who, while
    not in the class of a Gullit, or Rijkard, are extremely skillful.
    
      What dissapoints me is that it seems that the manager is not up
    to the task. What do the English FA ? Do they want a non controversial
    'nice' guy ? (Taylor may be that , but I get the feeling he is a
    laughing stock) Or do they want a team that has has a good reputation.
    Are there any potential managers out there ? Sadly, I cannot think of
    one (except Clough of course).
    
    W

    W.
    
    I dont disagree, the manager is just not up to it. Maybe England
    someone like Clough or even someone from the continent that might
    be able to see things from a new clearer perspective.....
    ....and get the best out of the English players.
    
    -Dom

    
    If you argue that the manager should be held solely responsible, then
    presumably this absolves the players of all blame. It seems highly
    unlikely to me that, with a different manager (and even perhaps with
    Waddle and Beardsley) this set of players would have come up with a
    much different result. 
    
    The point here is that, IMO, there is a distinct lack of world class
    players in England at the moment and the ones we do have were injured
    for this tournament. The game here is twenty years behind the times,
    still believing that getting stuck in, knocking the ball down the
    channels and looking for flick-ons, is the way to play the game. Last
    season's first division was perhaps the most average in my memory, with
    the only memorable pieces of skill coming from players like Cantona and
    Le Tissier, one a Frenchman and the other considered too lazy (never
    mind his skill) to be an England player. Whilst our domestic game is
    dominated by strength, toughness and hard running, it seems unlikely
    that we'll produce players capable of matching the likes of Holland and
    Germany for skill.
    
    Having said that, I read with some dismay that Taylor is claiming that
    one of the reasons England did so poorly is that we are unable to match
    the continental teams for athleticism. In other words, nothing to do
    with skill, they're simply better athletes than we are. This strikes me
    as an extraordinary conclusion, when we have all seen how lacking in
    basic skill are our players compared with the other teams in the
    championship. We are already playing on a different level to these
    other teams; if this kind of thinking takes root, we'll soon be playing
    a different game altogether.
    
    jeff 

    
    Can't match the continentals for athletism ?? did he say that ?
    this is the only way we did match them, with the sides he put out!!
    ( except maybe for Wobbly Webb that is : )  )
    
    
    Chris

   Re .17   Who expects England to win!!!!??? Are you seriously talking about
football???? Or maybe your mixing it up with Polo!!!!!! The only time I would
expect England to win is when they play a team like the Faroe Islands, and come
to think of it they beat Austria 1-0 in the Euro pre-qualifers, and Austria
would give England a hell of a game. Holland beat them 3-2 (only) a couple of
weeks back.

   I personally expect a team like Germany to do very well in any tournament
because their record is fantastic. I think most knowledgeable football folks
rarely expect England to do well, and are shocked when they do......

                                                       -dave-

    re .22
    Well, it seems more than a few people predicted England to win. I don't
    know if they were predicting with their heart, rather than the head. It
    seems to me that England's media seems to expect them to win
    everything, when, in truth they are a *good* side, but not a great one.
    IMO, I rate them in the second tier of clubs, along with say, Belgium,
    Czechoslovakia, Denmark, etc., but not in the same class as Holland and
    Germany.
    
    Tom  

    
    I maintain that Taylor is not the right man for the job. We'll never be
    able to compete with the likes of Holland and Germany under his
    "style", for want of a better word.
    
    Now, who wants to have a laugh ?
    
    Give the job to DAVID PLEAT !
    
    A man who came up through the ranks like Taylor, learning at grass
    roots level with a small club. Unlike Taylor, he has always encouraged
    his teams to play football, which is a very good starting point. He's
    also used to getting the best out of what's available, which seems to
    be an essential attribute as far as England are concerned these days.
    
    He'd also teach our Dutch friends a thing or two about "scoring" ;-)
    
    Adam.

    Well if that's the selection criteria then Pleat could well face
    some stiff (ooerr missus!) competition from the former Director
    of Public Prosecutions. 
    
    

    If Taylor keeps the job he should send his business card out (re.
    Sunday Mirror 21/6). Apparently the multi talented Waddle didn't call
    him and ask if he could play.
    
    "Oi Taylor, get a life you muppet."
    
    Jim.

    RE:Last. I heard Mcenemy (SP) say this over the weekend. I thought they
    were supposed to ask Waddle , not him them. On Waddle , in todays paper
    it says hes joining Shef Wed because he thinks he'll win more with them
    than with Leeds ;-)
    
    Didnt Taylor say something along the lines of "England fans will have
    to watch Wimbledon" (refering to the tennis and not Englands style of
    play).
    
    Nigel

    David Pleat (motto: "commitment to mediocrity") is the ideal choice
    IMHO. Right Baz ?
    
    

    Well at least Graham Taylor proved right on one point yesterday. If you
    saw the Sunday Mirror and pictures of Mr Gascoigne Esq. He looks
    distinctly over weight and I do not believe could make a positive
    contribution to England. Mind you I don't know if had Gazza been told 
    he would be included have stayed in shape. He now looks a twin for the
    lead singer of Bad Manners, he's even got the tongue for it!
    
    Antony

    BAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
    
    Good one Antony!

    
    Taylor WILL be manager for quite a while probably... he'll come up with
    loads of sh!t excuses etc.
    
    Taylor should be managerr for minus 10 years ago. He has changed
    Englands success of Italia '90 into Englands dour miserabe totally crap
    team of Sweden '92.
    
    quote heard earlier
    
    -"How do you think Denmark will do tonight against Holland"
    
    -"Cr@p."
    
    -"but they got a draw against England"
    
    -"Exactly"
    
    Greg...

    Well, with Denmark through to the Final, Taylor must have a whole load
    of ammunition to throw back at the press. 
    
    "How can anyone complain when we didn't lose to the eventual
    finalists/winners"
    
    "Surely the press under-estimated the Danes"
    
    Denmark winning is a curse on English football, as is Taylor.
    
    Jim.

    
    I hate to be seen to be agreeing with the gutter press but I have to
    admit I would rather Taylor was not the England manager. Not because
    the team played so badly in Sweden (that was only partly his fault) but
    because of some of the worrying things he said after England were
    knocked out. His comments concerning the athleticism of foreign
    players, about Sweden playing the long ball and his justification of
    taking Lineker off all point to a man tactically out of step with world
    football. If he continues in the job I can see players like Chapman and
    Deane winning twenty odd caps, with the possibility that skillful
    players, even Gascoigne, left on the sidelines.
    
    Taylor's belief that English-style football can triumph at
    international level is surely flawed and this championship has proved
    it. Scotland's performances were achieved through the combination of
    hard work AND skill, with McStay being the quality midfielder sadly
    lacking from the England team. The belief that ball-winners like Batty
    and Palmer, rather than ball-players like Clough, Beardsley and Waddle,
    can win you international tournaments, has been shown to be false in
    this championship and yet it seems that Taylor intends to persist with
    it. For this reason, I feel it would be better if he left now before
    Englash football falls further behind the rest of the world.
    
    jeff

    Perhaps its a good thing Graham Taylor doesn't manage a Columbian Team...
    
    from the Internatinal Herald Tribune  (June 23)
    
    		Guillermo Gomez Melgarejo, the vice-president of the
    		Columbian soccer team Millonarios, was killed Sunday
    		by gunmen who dragged him from a restaurant in Bogota,
    		shot him nine times and ran over his body with a car.
    
    
    Perhaps Guillermo complained that the opposition was using a round ball
    
    Just a thought...
    PJ

    Some of the papers yesterday printed a small section on how some Labour
    MP tabled a motion for the dismissal of Graham Taylor and the
    appointment of Brian Clough. He says that the people should have their
    choice, as it is them who pay the wages. Rumour had it that Major
    supported this, but then as a Chelsea supporter, what does he know
    about football  (loads of ;)'s )
    
    W

    
    	last..
    
    	.."tabled a motion" would therefore be a fitting description..8-)
    
    	Andy.