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Title: Soccer Football Conference
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Created:Thu Aug 08 1991
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49.0. "Ayr United FC" by GALVIA::SPAIN (New personal name wanted) Thu Aug 08 1991 17:39

    
    This is the Ayr United topic.
    
    Gary.
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49.1"Top of the league..."AYOV27::OPSA mans a man for aw that..Wed Aug 14 1991 21:2118
    
    
     Here goes with the first note in the new conference.
    
     Ayr are off to a good start in the league with 2 away wins in the last 
     couple of days. Due to being on holiday, I haven't yet seen the
     new look team, even in friendlies but that will change when we play
     Clydebank on Saturday at Somerset. (mind you, I'll need some help in
     identifying all the new players!!)
    
     Nice to see our good neighbours from Devastation City getting off to a
     good start with 1 point from 2 home games. Long may it continue.
    
     ps Who was responsible for arranging the games at the begginning of
     the season? It looks as if half the teams in the league started with
     2 home games, the others obviously had 2 away games. Strange methinks.
    
      Danny.
49.2"impressive...."AYOV27::DREESWed Aug 14 1991 22:4027
    
    Montrose 1 Ayr 3
    
    An adequate performance against a team who will surely be playing
    2nd Div football next season. Ayr dominated the first half and
    should have been at least 2 up at half time. Over the 90 mins we
    deserved our 3-1 victory. 
     Last nights team was :  Duncan
                             Burley
                             Agnew
                             Furphy
                             Auld
                             McLean
                             Fraser
                             George
                             Bryce
                             Graham
                             Shaw       subs. Smith, Kennedy
     
    Good performances all round except Ally Graham who, as usual, moaned
    from start to finish. Best performances came from Furphy, Shaw, Agnew 
    and man of the match Duncan George. The all round fitness was exceptional.
    
    Lets hope for more of the same on saturday from the team at the top of
    the table.
    
    ...Derek
49.3The gap is growing.......!!AYOV27::OPSA mans a man for aw that..Mon Aug 19 1991 15:4416
    
    
     AYR UNITED 3  Clydebank 0
    
      Not a very impressive performance, but another 3 goals and 2 points
    in the bag. Clydebank were pretty poor although they had a great chance   
    to level at 1-1, might of made it a different game.
    
     Disappointed in Fraser(he's not a forward though) and McLean. Noticed
    big Ally still can't keep his mouth shut and just get on with the game.
    
     MOM - Duncan George.
    
     Scorers - Bryce (penalty) Shaw (2).
    
      Danny.
49.4AYOV18::DREESTue Aug 20 1991 15:5918
    
    Another 3 goals and another 2 pts sees us stay top of Div 1. The
    performance left at lot to be desired though and while the confidence
    must be high we shouldn't get carried away. The real test will come in
    the next 3 weeks. We play Dundee away in the Skol Cup then play Raith
    (h), Killie (a) and Partick (h) in the league. If we come out of these
    games with reasonable results there is no reason why we can't have a 
    successful season. 
     Burley is proving that hard work and a greater level of fitness can
    produce the right results. We aren't playing skillful, attractive football
    but the team is giving 110% and in this league that is all thats
    required. 
     Hopefully tomorrow night we can get a result against a side that defeated
    us on every occassion last season. I'll go for 1-1.
    
    ...Derek
    
     
49.5The Cream of AyrshireAYOU48::JHILLand be a nation AGAIN!Tue Aug 20 1991 16:1819
    
    Well who would have guessed that after 3 games we would be averageing 3
    goals a game and sitting on top of the league. I definately agree with
    Derek about the hard work and 110% effort that's being shown. Obviously 
    the firness is paying off as we've scored four of our nine goals in
    the last ten minutes.
    
    Although there was very little good football played on Saturday I don't
    think the team is all muscle with hash and bash tactics. After all it
    was basically the same team that played Coventry off the park
    pre-season. I think the true test will come in the games following
    our first defeat.
    
    
    
    
    
    
    John.
49.6Fixture ListSCOAYR::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthTue Aug 20 1991 17:3474
    Here's the fixture list for season 91-92
    
    
    AUGUST
    Sat 10th - Forfar
    Tues 13th - Montrose
    Sat 17th - CLYDEBANK
    Wed 21st - Dundee -  Skol Cup       
    Sat 24th - RAITH ROVERS
    Sat 31st - Kilmarnock
    
    SEPTEMBER
    Sat 7th - PARTICK TH
    Sat 14th - Dundee
    Sat 21st - MEADOWBANK TH
    Sat 28th - Morton
    
    OCTOBER
    Wed 1st - Dundee    B & Q Cup
    Sat 5th - STIRLING ALBION
    Wed 9th - Hamilton
    Sat 12th - FORFAR
    Sat 19th - Clydebank
    Sat 26th - Partick Th
    Tues 29th - DUNDEE
    
    NOVEMBER
    Sat 2nd - KILMARNOCK
    Sat 9th - Raith Rov
    Sat 16th - Stirling Alb
    Tues 19th - HAMILTON
    Sat 23rd - Meadowbank Th
    Sat 30th - MONTROSE
    
    DECEMBER
    Tues 3rd - MORTON
    Sat 7th - Forfar
    Sat 14th - PARTICK TH
    Sat 21st - Dundee
    Sat 28th - RAITH ROVERS
    
    JANUARY
    Wed 1st - Kilmarnock
    Sat 4th - STIRLING ALBION
    Sat 11th - Hamilton
    Sat 18th - Montrose
    Sat 25th - SCOTTISH CUP
    
    FEBRUARY
    Sat 1st - CLYDEBANK
    Sat 8th - MEADOWBANK TH
    Sat 15th - SCOTTISH CUP
    Sat 22nd - Morton
    Sat 29th - Stirling Albion
    
    MARCH
    Sat 7th - HAMILTON
    Sat 14th - Raith Rovers
    Sat 21st - KILMARNOCK
    Sat 28th - FORFAR
    
    APRIL
    Sat 4th - Clydebank
    Tues 7th - Partick Th
    Sat 11th - DUNDEE
    Sat 18th - Meadowbank Th
    Sat 25th - MONTROSE
    
    MAY
    Sat 2nd - MORTON
    
    Kev.
    
    
49.7THE ROAD AND THE MILESSCOAYR::JWILSONTHIS TRUTH FAND HONEST TAM O'SHANTERTue Aug 20 1991 21:1128
    WITH OUR NEXT TRIP NORTH NOW ONLY A DAY AWAY, AND A GOOD START TO THE
    SEASON ALREADY UNDER OUR BELT IT CAN BE HOPED THAT THIS ENCOUNTER WITH
    DODDS AND CO. WILL BE MUCH MORE FAVOURABLE THAN LAST YEARS ATTEMPTS.
    
    IT SHOULD BE HOPED THAT WITH SOME "MIXERS" IN THE TEAM IN THE SHAPE OF
    GEORGE, KENNEDY, AGNEW AND, TO A DEGREE McLEAN AND "THE BOSS" THAT THE
    GOOD START WE ARE ENJOYING SHOULD CONTINUE. CAMMY LOOKS SAFE BETWEEN
    THE STICKS AND WITH SUPER WILLIE F. IN FRONT ALONG WITH AULD WHO, I
    THINK WILL SETTLE IN OK, THE DEFENCE WILL START TO GET ON TOP OF THINGS
    GENERALLY. BIG ALLY UP FRONT NEEDS A BOOT UP THE, WELL YOU KNOW WHERE,
    AT TIMES BUT THE THIRD GOAL AGAINST THE 'BANKIES SHOWED WHY HE CAN
    STILL KEEP SHAW ON THE BENCH. HOWEVER GREG HAS IMPROVED WELL OVER THE
    CLOSE SEASON AND WILL BE PUSHING FOR A PLACE IN THE FIRST ELEVEN. SMITH
    LOOKS A HANDY MAN TO HAVE AND HIS FINISHING IS NOT IN QUESTION AS HIS
    WINNER AT FORFAR PROVED. ALLY FRAZER CAN TURN IT ON WHEN HE WANTS TO, A
    BIT MORE OFTEN WOULD'NT HURT BUT LETS HOPE HE TAKES A MAD TURN AND
    WORKS FOR A FULL NINTY MINUTES.
    
    SO ALL IN ALL THE TEAM LOOKS STRONG BUT THE BIG TEST WILL NO DOUBT COME
    AGAINST DUNDEE. WIN AND WE'RE SURELY ON A WINNER, LOSE AND IT'S NOT THE
    END OF THE WORLD BUT HOPEFULLY IT SHOULD SHOW WHERE IMPROVEMENT'S HAVE TO
    BE MADE TO TURN A GOOD TEAM INTO A BETTER TEAM.
    
             HERE'S HOPING AND I'LL SEE THE FAITHFUL TOMORROW NIGHT.
    
                                           FESS
      
    
49.8forfar 2 Ayr 3AYOV27::DINV40Thu Sep 12 1991 17:514
    Can anybody tell me about the Forfar game
    
    
    ... Bean
49.9Dundee game was better though !SCOAYR::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthThu Sep 12 1991 20:5817
    Yes,
    
    Forfar scored from a touched-on free-kick after 15 mins. Duncan had
    been screaming at the wall to move to the left. They didn't and Paton
    smashed a cracker into the top left corner. Ayr equalised after about
    25 mins when Ally Fraser ran onto a loose ball and thundered it into
    the top right. Ayr pressed more and more and were rewarded when Ally
    Graham's hopeful cross was flicked over the keepers head by Shaw.
    Forfar equalised with 15 mins left when Adam headed in a cross from the
    left. Ayr brought on Mike Smith for Shaw and he became an instant hero
    with the travelling support when he chased a ball from Bryce (?) and
    fired home brilliantly from 12 yards into the top right with 30 secs
    left. 
    
    Good game for the fans (of Ayr anyway !)
    
    Kev...
49.10There's only 1 Super Ally.AYOV27::DSMITHFri Sep 13 1991 18:228
    
    
     Ally Graham wins the B&Q skill award for the first division for, I 
    presume, August. 
    
    
         Danny...
    
49.11"Enter the Flop and the Diz"AYOV27::DREESthe black & white machineSat Sep 14 1991 15:069
    
    Have just read in this morning's paper. 
    
    "The White Brazilian" and "Super Cammy" are both out of today's game
    with Dundee. This means the return of "Dizzy" and "Floppy".
    
    I've got a feeling we won't see a repeat of our 4-2 Skol Cup win !!!!!
                                                      
    ...Derek.
49.12EasyBHUNA::AMILLARAnd some late news just in.....Sun Sep 15 1991 00:224
    
    Dundee won 3-1
    
    
49.13Step Back and Wait for Abuse...UNTADA::BIRSEC'mon ra 'D'Mon Sep 16 1991 12:503
    Would today be a good day to start a Dundee topic ??
    
    Hello Beanie :^)...
49.14all is not lostAYOV27::SALLENMon Sep 16 1991 16:4924
    1. Are you serious Danny that the big carthorse won a SKILL ??? award
    
    
    2. Malcolm :- don't be silly
    
    
    
      
    Ayr played well at Dundee and were unlucky to only be level at half
    time. McAllister and Bryce hit the bar in the first half and until they
    scored in the second we were the better team.
    
    How the referee allowed Dodds to stay on the park after he retaliated on
    Kennedy is beyond me.
    
    Purdie was at fault with the third goal but he had a world class save
    before that. 
    
    Disappointing for the travelling support but lets hope that Cammy and
    Willie are available for the Meadowbank game.
    
    
    
    ... Beanie
49.153 in a row :-(SCOAYR::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthMon Sep 16 1991 17:0320
    It was good to see the (small) travelling support giving Burley a good
    reception as he walked to the dugout. He knows that it is the away fans
    that are the REAL supporters, not the part-time/armchair boys who jump
    on the bandwagon when we are winning and jump down throats when we are
    losing. 
    
    The makeshift team did play well until Dundee scored their second goal
    (although it did look a tad offside) but from then on it was one-way.
    Shaw went off to let Walker on but he couldn't get a kick at the ball 
    (or the goalie for a change !) and the only incident of note was the
    rousing cheer from the Ayr end when somebody finally nailed Billy "The
    Submarine" Dodds and the wee rat had to be carried off. He should have
    been sent-off for retaliating on a Kennedy tackle but the ref did not
    even speak to him. Purdie played well apart from selling the third goal
    and as Bean says he had a couple of brilliant reflex saves before that.
    
    Oh Well, off to the Hallowed Ground tonight to see the Wee Ayr play the
    Bankies.
    
    The Full_timer....  
49.16Cheerio Stevie..:-)AYOV27::DSMITHMon Sep 16 1991 18:0611
    
    
     Stevie, according to Fridays Daily Express, the award mentioned did
    indeed go to the real Super Ally. (Scott Crabbe in the premier and
    somebody Morrison of Clyde in division 2).
    
     By the way Stevie, a petition is being mounted to have you banned from
    watching the super-U's as we haven't done too well since you returned
    from holiday...:-),:-)
    
       Danny...
49.172pts is a mustAYOV27::DREESthe black & white machineTue Sep 17 1991 16:3614
    
    Well chaps, after 2 defeats in a row people are saying "the bubble has
    burst". We know different, this is no bubble and to prove it we MUST
    win well on Saturday against Meadowbank. 
    
    Our next 5 games are Meadowbank(h), Morton(a), Stirling Albion(h), 
    Hamilton(a) and Forfar(h). Although the 2 away games will be tough we
    should be looking to pick up a minimum of 7pts. 
    
    Losing the last 2 games is a mere hiccup. I'm confident we will be back
    to winning ways on Saturday. Hopefully Furphy and Duncan will both be fit
    after missing the Dundee game.
    
    ...Derek 
49.18SCOAYR::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthTue Sep 17 1991 17:0612
    For all those just dying to know the result and scorers from last night
    
    Ayr     2     -     1 Clydebank
    (Walker 7')       (Templeton 40')
    (Gillespie 14')
    
    The Wee Ayr are now third in the league with a game in hand. Clydebank
    are still top.
    
    Here's hoping the big team can repeat the scoreline on Saturday .
    
    Kev...	
49.19Shoot!Shoot!Shoot!EAYV01::LGRACEThu Sep 19 1991 16:0023
    The local press has hinted that McTurk may be thrown in against
    Meadowbank,it stated that the boss isn't keen on the Graham,Shaw
    partnership and is looking at alternatives.Personally,I think that
    Shaw is more effective when coming on as sub and Smith is better
    at right midfield than Fraser and Kennedy.Is it to much of a step
    for a former amateur to play in the first division with such little
    preparation ? I have to say i am in the not sure category, but if
    the gaffer say he is ready ,then that will do me .
          On a different note ,with the sacking of Munro at Dunfermline
    the managerial merry go round could arrive at Somerset.This being
    the case an ambitious manager like Burley would grab Premier football
    with both hands,and who could blame him.In the event of this tragedy
    I would hope that the club would be able to hang on to the very
    impressive Dale Roberts.This would all be speculation if one of
    the teams concerned emply an out of work manager,let's hope that
    this is the case.
                               Cheers
                                 Sal
    P.S I won't be able to make saturday's game but I would like to
    think that the loyal will out-shout the empty heads,and that the
    Giants will have a resounding victory.  
    
    
49.20KURMA::JJACKSun Sep 22 1991 16:047
    Scottish League Division 1
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    
    Ayr United.......7  Meadowbank Th....0
    
    
    
49.21We'll be backGALVIA::SPAINMon Sep 23 1991 00:2012
    
    No need to rub it in. Ayr must have been poxed.  The ref was biased 
    the 7th goal was offside.  It was raining, it wa too hot, too cold. 
    :-)
    
    We'll be back.
    
    
    Gary (a Meadowbank supporter who hasn't been locked up yet).
    
    PS We're still the only team from the capital city to have won a
    championship in the past 10 years.
49.22Vodka and 7-Up please barman, I'm celebrating !SCOAYR::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthMon Sep 23 1991 13:0620
    
    I'm still in shock after the Black and White machine's destruction of
    an abysmal Meadowank (sp?) team. They must have given gold jersey's out
    to the first 13 nutters to appear from the Capital and then blindfolded
    them for 90 minutes. I haven't got time to put in the usual match
    report listing the goals,as I finish at 4.45,so a short gloat will have
    to do. It's a pity McTurk went off at half-time as I'm sure they could
    have lined up one of the goals for him as well. He looked fast and
    tricky but his stamina is probably a bit short of 90 minute duration
    yet. Even Davie Scissorhands had a reasonable game and actually held
    two crosses. However, I hope Super Cammy returns against the Greenock
    Boys next week. The goals by Duncan George and the second by Greg Shaw
    were probably the pick of the bunch but I still felt that the much -
    maligned Tommy Bryce had an excellent game and set up numerous chances
    and goals, so he gets my MOM award.
    
    I bet you feel sick Sal ?
    
    
    Kev...
49.23aaa chooooAYOV27::SALLENMon Sep 23 1991 14:0411
    You guessed it guys - I wasn't there. Sat in front of the fire nursing
    a cold. They haven't been beaten in the league when I've not been
    there.
    
     The petition to stop me from attending will be getting bigger.
    
    
    Bad news is the cold has gone and I shall be there at Greenock !
    
    
    ... Bean
49.24AYOV27::DSMITHMon Sep 23 1991 16:1018
    
     After 2 3-1 defeats we had to get back on the winning trail on
    Saturday to prevent us falling off the pace at the top of the league
    and also to boost the players confidence. To win 7-0 is a big bonus
    and also makes a big improvement on the goal difference.
    
     In all honesty it could have been a lot more. Greg Shaw should have
    had a hat-trick and if Ally Fraser hadn't been so greedy, Tommy Bryce
    could have picked up a couple.
    
     A visit to sunny Cappielow on Saturday which will give the machine a
    harder test. I'll settle for a draw.
    
     MOM - Tommy Bryce (shades it from Duncan George)
    
     Best goal - Paul McLean's (good move involving half the team)
    
       Danny...
49.25Beanie for Baghdad!!!!EAYV01::LGRACEMon Sep 23 1991 16:4315
    Well lads I am looking for donations to send Stevie "Hoodoo" Allen
    on an all expenses paid tour of devastation city finishing at Rugby
    Park this Saturday in order to help Ayr to two points at Greenock.
    On a serious note,rumour has it that Cammy Duncan could be sidelined
    for six weeks,hopefully this is not the case.However if this is
    the case then we really do need to get behind Purdie as he will
    be our goalkeeper at the moment and we must help build up his
    confidence if more shut-outs are to follow.
            I wasn't at the game on Saturday so could anybody inform
    me how McTurk played and do you think he will be in the squad for
    Cappielow? Let's hear your opinions.
                            Cheers
                              Sal
    P.S I see the Killie faithful got a free shower on Saturday as well
    as their weekly gubbing.
49.26Looking good...AYOV27::DSMITHMon Sep 23 1991 16:5416
    
    
     Sal, McTurk played reasonably well considering it was his debut. He
    showed a lot of good touches and set up several chances before being
    subbed at half-time. He'll need to spend some more time in the reserves
    building up his stamina and strength before pushing for a regular first
    team place. He certainly looks a very good prospect for the future.
    Having said that, I don't expect him to be in the squad for Saturday.
    
     On the goalkeeping front, Purdie actually played quite well on
    Saturday albeit against very poor opposition. He seemed to be a lot
    more confident than he was last season. Hopefully, if Duncan doesn't
    make it Purdie can produce the goods and keep us amongst the leaders.
    
      Danny...
    
49.27AYOV27::DREESthe black & white machineWed Sep 25 1991 12:416
    
    According to yesterday's Advertiser Cammy Duncan has a chance, albeit
    slim, of playing this Saturday. At worst he should be back for the
    Stirling Albion game a week on Saturday.
    
    ...Derek
49.28To see the Ayrshire AcesEAYV01::JWILSONHONEST TAM O'SHANTERSun Sep 29 1991 09:3347
    Well troops, we've done it again,
    
    Maybe not the way the script was set out but another great performance
    in the last fifteen minutes. It would seem that the area we used
    to fade away in is now our strongest asset and I think it only fair
    to say that not many teams in the first division can match the Super
    U's in the last quarter of the game.
    
    But I digress.
    
    Hard on the heels of our narrow victory last week hopes were high
    for more goals and another two points, we were not to be let down.
    The first goal was an enjoyable affair involving Super Skill
    and the Invisable Man, better known to many as Super Ally, super
    Ally tra la la la la la la, ( should be sung to one's self whilst
    reading ) and Super Ally super Ally etc. etc. The head down by big
    Ally was more or less perfect for Mr Fraser to blaze a scortcher
    from about twenty yards. After this three other things happened but I
    can't recall what they were. Anyway to goal number two. For those
    who listen to radio Scotland it was a cracker from Hood, for the
    rest of us super sub Shaw done the damage. A delightfully taken
    goal, but what else can you expect from the leading goal grabber
    in Ayr, Ayrshire, Scotland, the UK, the world, the universe etc.
    point made I think. The third came as a result of sustained pressure
    and was cracked in by two goals in two games Mclean and the winner
    I've left till last ( 'cause that's when it was scored ) was, for
    me, the pick of the bunch. I thought Cally was going to wait all
    day befor letting rip but in the end it was well worth waiting for.
    I don't think even Mr Shaw could have finnished it any better.
    
    Well there it is folks, I'm sure Kev will give us his usual blow
    by blow account but I've touched on the more important points of
    the game. Points for disccusion; 1. Why was Kennedy booked for handling
    after the ball was already over the line and therefor out of play.
    2. What was that pr**k of a ref doing in the middle by skillfully
    setting up the equalliser and 3. Why are Killie the shittiest senior
    team in Ayrshire. Answers on a postcard for number three please
    addressed to Blue Peter who can maybe give them a team they made
    earlier.
    
                                 John........
    
    
    p.s. I've just remembered what the three things that I forgot
    were......Morton scored.
    
                        Bye yaawlll.
49.29Goals galore...AYOV27::DSMITHSun Sep 29 1991 17:0527
    
      A good win away from home after giving away 3 dreadful goals to the
    'ton. Purdie and Furphy were badly at fault for all 3 goals (with a
     little help from the ref for number 1).
    
      Back to our goals, you'll be hard pushed to see any team score 4
    goals of similar quality to Saturday's strikes. Pick of the bunch for
    me was Shaw's goal which brought us right back into the game after we
    had went 3-1 down. A great turn followed by un unstoppable drive from
    20-25 yards. Cally's smash from 20 yards in the last minute for a
    spectacular winner was the icing on the cake.
    
     We've proved all season that we'll score goals in this league. Our
    problem is at the back where we've lost too many daft goals. We really
    need to tighten up here.
    
     Dundee on Tuesday in the B&Q centenary cup (or whatever it's called
    now).
    
     Stirling Albion at home next Saturday. A win is crucial as the top 2
    meet at Dens Park next week.
    
     MOM on Saturday - has to be Duncan George simply for his crunching
    tackle that left 2 Morton players requiring extensive treatment. Never
    a booking in my view :-) :-)
    
     Danny...
49.30hoodooAYOV27::SALLENMon Sep 30 1991 12:5421
    Well chaps,
    
    
          I was in Holland on business when we beat Coventry 3-1. I
    returned to see us being beaten 2-1 from Swansea. I then spent a month
    in Canada to return to see us being beaten 2-0 by Hibs, 3-1 by Partick
    and 3-1 from Dundee. I had the cold the day of our 7-0 win over
    Meadowbank and missed the game. On Saturday I went to see us beat
    Morton, and with twelve minutes to go we were 3-1 down ---------
    
    
    
    
               SO I LEFT -  ENOUGH SAID
    
    
    
    'The HOODOO'
    
    
                
49.31Morton 3 Ayr MORESCOAYR::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthTue Oct 01 1991 14:5332
    What can I say that has not already been said about "The Great Escape"?
    
    3-1 down after 78 mins was rather a false position as IMO Ayr had been
    the better side except for 20 mins in the second half when the midfield
    all went for a breather. Mr Wyllie in the Morton goal must be
    absolutely sick, not only with his defence ,but with himself for
    wasting just enough time to allow Ayr to slam in a glorious winner in
    what was about the 92nd minute by my watch. I had already settled for
    the draw after being down and out so thanks again Dave , your a hero at
    Somerset. 
    
    But onto the usual moan about the BITB, a certain Mr McVicar from
    Cappilowe, sorry Carluke. Some of his decisions were strange to say the
    least. He booked George for a hefty challenge, fair enough, but how
    could he ignore the melee which ensued afterwards when Wyllie,Psycho
    Super Ally and Auldy were all throwing their weight about ? Is it my
    imagination or is the standard of refereeing gone down the toilet
    recently ? He also missed a blatant handball (accidental, I Think) by
    McLean when he scored the equaliser. I'm not being biased because he
    was just plain dreadful for both teams and I thought it had an effect
    on the result. Also to book Kennedy for punching the ball out of the
    net when he had already blown for the goal was odd. I thought when the
    ball crossed the line it was out of play so he was hardly preventing a
    goal , was he ?
    
    Off to Dundee tonight for the B&Q Cup. No doubt with all the rain ,
    Billy "The Submarine" "I Go Down Faster Than Linda Lovelace" Dodds will
    be up to his usual tricks (I see he dived for another penalty on
    Saturday) so I expect us to lose about 2 or 3 goals , especially if
    Scissorhands is between the sticks.
    
    Kev....
49.32too slack at the backAYOV18::DREESthe black & white machineTue Oct 01 1991 15:0527
    
    Dear Hoodoo,
    
    glad to hear you won't be at Dens tonight. Our chances must improve !
    
             --------------------------------------------
    
    Chaps,
    
    It was nice to see us play so badly for 70mins on saturday and still 
    win. Had it not been for Morton crapping themselves under pressure the
    goals we gifted them could have been very costly. We can't afford to be
    as slack at the back tonight as Dundee won't "bottle" it the way Morton
    did. 
    
    If we are to have a successful season we must strengthen at the back.
    Morton are not a good side but still managed to scored 3 times. On
    the evidence of our performances against them and Partick we should
    have nothing to fear as long as we don't concede silly goals. 
    
    ...Derek
     
    
    ...Derek
       
    
     
49.33Calling Beanie....free train ticket to Dens...UNTADC::BIRSEC'mon ra 'D'Tue Oct 01 1991 15:563
    Dear Hoodoo.....
    
    	Talk to you tomorrow :^)...
49.34Match report please Kev.....AYOV27::DSMITHWed Oct 02 1991 10:447
    
    
     Due to dodgy weather conditions, decided not to make the trip north.
    No doubt our loyal roving reporter was there, how about some match
    info and team please Kev. Was it as convincing as the papers make out??
    
      Danny...
49.35DSCOAYR::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthWed Oct 02 1991 11:1026
    The team was the same as at Greenock but with Smith at 11 and Fraser at
    7, McLean moving to 6 and Cally on the bench. Ayr started well and
    playing into a very strong wind in the first half, they took the game
    to a very lacklustre Dens side. Dundee threatened with Carson's long
    kickouts but the strikers failed to capitalise on any chances created.
    All the Ayr support had payed into the wing stand above the tunnel and 
    were making all the noise in a sparse crowd of 2000. Ayr took the lead
    in the 25th minute when Dodds was forced into a bad pass which Smith
    intercepted outside the box. He strode forward into the box
    unchallenged and feinted before firing past Carson who had already
    dived. 1-0 and the Ayrshire Giants were in top gear. They harnessed the
    wind for the rest of the 45 and were rewarded when Bryce was pulled
    down 25 yards from goal. Agnew and Fraser stood over the ball and when
    Garry (I'm not a hoopy maggot anymore) Agnew touched it to his right,
    Fraser unleashed an unstoppable shot into the top right corner to put
    the Super U's in 2-0 up at half-time. With the wind at their backs in
    the second-half and Shaw on for Smith, we all expected a couple more
    but it was Dundee who looked the likelier to score and almost did when
    the No 8 (?) ran onto a great ball and fired past the advancing
    Scissorhands. The ball held up in the wind leaving our No 2 goalie
    Super Davie K with all the time in the world to stop the ball on the
    line and dribble past Dodds before clearing. All in all a competent
    display and the best feature was the performance of the defence and
    Purdie in particular who was outstanding (beleive it or not !!)
    
    The Loyal Roving Reporter....
49.36Dougie Chisholm on Saturday!!UNTADI::BIRSEC'mon ra 'D'Wed Oct 02 1991 12:065
    Well done......oh well.....hope for better against Partick on Saturday.
    
    I suppose Mr. Allen didn't make the trip :^)...
    
    
49.37super uuuu'sAYOV27::SALLENWed Oct 02 1991 12:156
    You are correct Malcolm. If we beat you again in a cup do we get you to
    keep ?????
    
    
    
    ... Bean
49.38Which way to the Premier League ??UNTADI::BIRSEC'mon ra 'D'Wed Oct 02 1991 13:273
    You don't get me to keep.....
    
    	But you can have your note back for a while :^)...
49.39Is the league and B & Q Cup double on ?AYOV27::DREESthe black & white machineWed Oct 02 1991 16:5214
    
    It's was nice to gain revenge last night for last season's cup final 
    defeat. Can we go one better and win it this year ?
    
    I think we can. 
    
    After having watched the better teams in the league, ie. Partick & Dundee,
    we are certainly as good and should fear no-one. It's time we started
    talking confidently about Ayr's chances of success. Afterall we have
    proven we can score goals. Greg Shaw has scored more times this season
    than Killie. If we can thighten up the defence things can only get
    better.
    
    ...Derek   
49.40A trip to LarbertAYOV27::DREESthe black & white machineFri Oct 04 1991 09:306
    
    The draw for the next round of the B&Q Cup is :
    
    Stenhousemuir v Ayr Utd
    
    To be played on Tue 15th Oct
49.41Easy, easy..AYOV27::DSMITHFri Oct 04 1991 12:4126
    
    
     A good draw for the mighty machine in our bid to go one better and
    win this year's competition.
    
     With 3 all first division ties, some of the better teams will be going
    out early.
    
     Partick v Hamilton
    
     Morton v The filth
    
     Raith v Clydebank.
    
      
     Hopefully we can win this tie, get a couple of second division teams
    in the next couple of rounds (like last year) and we'll be finalists
    again.
    
     I see the boss is expecting a tough game tomorrow against Stirling at
    Somerset. Although they've only won once this season, they've only lost
    4 goals in 5 away games so we shouldn't expect another high-scoring
    game. I'll settle for the 2 points to close the gap on the top 2 who
    meet at Dens.
    
     Danny...
49.42hoodoo will be beatenAYOV27::SALLENFri Oct 04 1991 14:3610
    Danny,
    
          We beat Clyde in the semi-final of the B+Q last year. They were
    in the first division at that point.
    
        But the bad news is I will be there tomorrow.
    
    
    rgds ... Stevie
    
49.43Hoodoo you think yoo r ?SCOAYR::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthMon Oct 07 1991 10:5916
    Stevie..
    
    
    
    Will you stay away from Somerset Park please ?????
    
    
    
    Every time you show up, we play crap (like Saturday) so ....
    
    
    
    STAY AWAY !
    
    
    Kev...
49.44Fat Bob and Wee WillieSCOAYR::AARNOTTTue Oct 08 1991 15:0014
    Word on the street, Kev, is that 'Gorgeous' Bob Reilly gave you boys a
    bit of roasting when he turned out for Stirling Albion last Saturday.
    That makes me smile 8-) and smile 8-)... and smile 8-). 
    
    He's such a great player that he isn't allowed to play against us for
    Stirling either (Although how we managed to wangle a condition like
    that in to a FREE transfer I'll never know).
    
    Gorgeous Bob and wee fat Willie - there's a duo to bring back happy
    memories to a Killie fan. On second thoughts make that side-splittingly
    hysterical memories :-)).
    
    
    Andy.
49.45SCOAYR::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthTue Oct 08 1991 17:4017
    Word on the Street ?????
    
    You mean I told you yesterday, don't you .
    
    Perhaps I over-rated him just a wee bit, but he certainly did not look
    like a player who has not had a first team game this season.
    
    
    On the other hand , it's nice to see Killie keeping to their recent
    trend of pouring money/assets down the drain with the signing of yet
    ANOTHER goalie (Andy Graham, not Goram as Fleeting probably thought)
    and a midfield genital.....sorry general in that great Hamilton Accie, 
    Hugh Burns...
    
    Tommy Burns alcoholic twin sister !
    
    Kev...
49.461-1AYOV27::DREESthe black & white machineWed Oct 09 1991 16:5716
    
    After our shocking performance against Stirling Albion on Saturday
    we have the chance to bounce back tonight against Hamilton. Our
    recent record against them has been poor although we did put them out
    of last year's Scottish Cup. 
    
    With Partick and Dundee both dropping points last night we have the
    chance to reduce the gap. In saying that, I'm not too confident of
    picking up 2pts tonight. Hamilton have only lost once in the league
    this season and coupled with our own deterioration in recent weeks,
    I think we'll find it tough.
    
    I'll settle for a point. 
    
    ...Derek
    
49.47SCOAYR::AARNOTTThu Oct 10 1991 14:251
    Re. last night's 3-1 defeat. Was Billy Stark playing for Hamilton ??
49.48GALVIA::SPAINThu Oct 10 1991 14:487
    
    The note was set hidden because of the phrase in the last line which 
    I've heard at many football grounds and I consider to be racist.  From
    reading previous replies I now realise that it was not a racist term in
    this case but a nickname for Ayr United.
    
    Gary.
49.49SCOAYR::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthThu Oct 10 1991 16:0916
    re .47
    
    Yes, Stark came on as a sub after about 60 mins and gave away the
    penalty with his first tackle (Bryce missed it). That was honestly his
    total contribution to the game.
    
    re .48
    
    It's a nickname for Ayr United supporters not the actual team. A more
    appropriate nickname for the team would be ......
    
    
    
    set hidden by the moderators. (on last nights performance anyway)
    
    Kev...
49.50AYOV20::JHILLand be a nation AGAIN!Mon Oct 14 1991 14:4223
    
    A 4-0 win on Saturday against a team who look to have relegation
    written all over them already. It certainly wasn't the most 
    spectacular performance I've seen this season but it was certainly
    more than enough to deal with a really poor Forfar team. In fact the 
    only cause for concearn we had in our box was when Purdie flattened big
    Ally twice within a couple of minutes, leaving him flat on his back
    requiring treatment. 
    
    Hopefully, we'll find the form which seems to have deserted us fairly
    soon with 3 of the next 4 league games against top of the table teams.
    
    
    Any comments on the substitution. I felt Smith was a little hard done
    by in being taken off and feel Shaw was only sent on to perform for any 
    scouts in the stand. 
    
    
    
    
    Steep. 
    
    
49.51Another Keeper !!SCOAYR::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthTue Oct 15 1991 14:249
    HOT NEWS !!!
    
    The rumour machine has it that Ayr have sold Cammy Duncan to Dunfermline
    and have signed Ally Maxwell (ex Motherwell). Rhodes of Dunfermline has
    moved to Oldham.
    
    More news when we have it.......
    
    Kev...
49.52ally M ???AYOV27::SALLENTue Oct 15 1991 14:415
    There is no mention of this in the club call. Who knows more or has
    heard on the radio then please let us know.
    
    
    regards ... Stevie
49.53Smoke without fire ?AYOU18::JHILLWed Oct 16 1991 10:3010
    
    
    Has the phantom rumourmonger struck again ?????
    
    The only news I've heard was that Ayr hope to sign Lee Gardiner
    some time today. (Westsound this morning)
    
    
    
    Steep.
49.54The Galloping BS award goes to.......SCOAYR::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthWed Oct 16 1991 10:4727
49.55Its a goal!!AYOU18::JHILLWed Oct 16 1991 14:3045
     
     Well lads here's a wee run down on we reached our first 40 goals this 
    season. I've only included League, Skol cup and B&Q cup no friendlies.
    Due to limited space you'll have to work out the opponents and the
    competitions.  
    
    
    
    
    Steep.
    
    
________________________________________________________________________________
  Name             |  1  |  2  |  3  |  4  |  5  |  6  |  7  |  8  |  9  |  10 |
-------------------|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|
                   |Forf |Mont |Mort |Dund |
  Ally Fraser      |10/8 |13/8 |28/9 |1/10 |
-------------------|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|
                   |Forf |Clydebank  |Dundee     |St J |Meadowbank |Mort |Forf |
  Greg Shaw        |10/8 |17/8       |21/8       |27/8 |21/9       |28/9 |12/10|
-------------------|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----------|-----|-----|
                   |Forf |Rait |Dund |
  Mike Smith       |10/8 |24/8 |1/10 |
-------------------|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|
 		   |Montrose   |Clyd |Dund |Hami |Forf |
  Tommy Bryce      |13/8     p |17/8p|21/8p|9/10 |12/10|
-------------------|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|
                   |Dund |St J |Part |Mead |Stir |Forfar     |Sten |
  Ally Graham      |21/8 |27/8 |7/9  |21/9 |5/10 |12/10      |15/10|
-------------------|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----------|-----|
                   |Kilm |Dund |
  Stewart Auld     |31/8 |14/9 |
-------------------|-----|-----|    
                   |Mead |Mort |
  Ian McAllister   |21/9 |28/9 |
-------------------|-----|-----|
                   |Mead |
  Duncan George    |21/9 |
-------------------|-----|
                   |Mead |
  Gary Agnew       |21/9 |
-------------------|-----|-----|-----|
                   |Mead |Mort |Sten |
  Paul McLean      |21/9 |28/9 |15/10|
-------------------|-----|-----|-----|
49.56calm down chapsAYOV18::DREESthe black & white machineThu Oct 17 1991 15:2312
    
    I go to London for a week's training and while I'm away all hell breaks
    loose in this topic.
    
    Are all the past replies just rumours or have they any substance ?
    
    ie. Have we signed Lee Gardner ?
        Have we sold Cammy Duncan ?
        Are we buying a centre half ?
    
    
    Derek.
49.58read all about itAYOV20::JHILLThu Oct 17 1991 15:5920
49.59Double take...AYOV27::DSMITHThu Oct 17 1991 21:4918
    
    
     You're in danger of repeating yourself John!!
    
     Good to see that Burley has decided to get rid of both Brown and
    Gillespie. Neither of them are good enough to play first team football
    and Burley is prepared to give younger players like Hood a chance
    before he'll play any of these two numpties.
    
     If Tommy Walker and Greg Shaw both go, as seems certain just now,
    won't that leave us a bit short up-front? Any good prospects coming
    through in the reserves Kev?
    
     Then again, we'll probably sign Billy "I want to be a submarine" Dodds
    and we'll continue as Britain's highest scoring team!!
    
      Danny...
           
49.60take it and runAYOV20::JHILLFri Oct 18 1991 10:4913
    
    The thing is Danny will you be able to spot todays deliberate mistook
    :-)
    
    
    According to the Daily Record this morning Shaw has been impressive in 
    his weeks trial at Anfield and Souness is considering offering 250,000
    If only the Record could get it right just this once. :-)
    
    
    
    Steep.
    
49.61SCOAYR::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthThu Oct 24 1991 13:5612
    Just phoned Somerset to get the draw and.....
    
    
    Guess what ??
    
    Ayr play QOS at home in the semi
    
    Surprised ?
    
    Me neither !
    
    Kev...
49.62Cup Final.....AYOV27::DSMITHThu Oct 24 1991 14:318
    
    
     This season's Ayrshire Cup Final is at BUGME PARK, Devastation City on
    Tuesday 26th November.
    
    Other trophy for our collection...:-)
    
     Danny.
49.63Calling the Roving ReporterAYOV27::DREESthe black & white machineTue Oct 29 1991 15:026
    
    Kev,
        I know we were crap but how about a report on the Partick
        game for us part-timers.
      
        ...Derek
49.64I shood huv styed in ra hoosSCOAYR::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthTue Oct 29 1991 17:0049
    OK You asked for it.
    
    Ayr started better and Smith had two chances in the first 2 minutes. A
    header which went wide and a 20 yard shot which hit the side netting.
    On Partick's first attack, McLaughlin played the ball through to
    McGlashan who was perhaps 2 feet offside, the linesman saw it but did
    nothing, I saw from the perfect angle and he was definitely off , he
    ran on and played it past Duncan who dived full length to try and block
    it. McGlashan "caught" his boot in Cammy's guts and tumbled down like
    he had been shot.(If you don't beleive it was a dive, see yesterday's
    Sun which had brilliant pictures of Glasgow's answer to Greg Louganis
    doing a perfect triple somersault with pike (degree of difficulty 8.7))
    McCluskey,the Killie Bar steward of a ref decided it was a dreadful
    challenge by Duncan , awarded a penalty and booked Cammy as well. 1-0
    and the backs are already against the wall. Partick's next attack on 21
    mins brought a scarcely deserved second goal. A needlessly conceded
    corner was cleared as far as Jobby Law who swung a boot at it and it
    flew through a ruck of players and ended up in the corner of the net.
    Law then proceeded to run up the park, kissing his jersey, gesturing to
    any Ayr fan that was watching and generally being a total pr!ck. (He's
    good at that). Just after this McGlashan decided to dive again, this
    time between the centre circle and 18 yard line, with no player within
    4 feet of him. This was too obvious for even a blind retarded old turd
    like McCluskey too fall for and he was told to get up, Still, practise
    makes perfect so watch out when the frost is around 'cause he'll never
    be on his feet and Partick will win at least one penalty a game. The
    first half petered out to a boring finale , enlivened only by watching
    Mike Smith's attempts to control the ball. He is crap, he could not
    control the ball if it was tied to him on a short string. He will be
    going back south come next May. 
    
    Part 2 was little better but the introduction of SuperSub did bring the
    rest of the team to realise that Partick did actually have a net the
    same as us and some of them began to find a way to it. It was in this
    half that Murdoch made his first save of the match. McGlashan scored
    Thistle's 3rd with a cracking 20 yard shot which flew over Cammy and in
    at the far post. 
    
    All in all a crap display on a crap surface in a crappy part of the
    world.
    
    Best for Ayr were George,Agnew,Shaw,Auld. Poor performances from Smith
    Duncan, Graham and Gardner (grass was too long for him)
    
    Prediction for tonight.
    
    Ayr 1 - 2 Dundee
    
    The Pessimistic Kev...... 
49.65score?????KIRKTN::AMCARTHURANDY....Wed Oct 30 1991 03:162
    
    What was the score tonight,Kevin......
49.66KIRKTN::CPATRICKI'm Dafter Than A Daft FactoryWed Oct 30 1991 04:042
    
     Ayr United 4 Dundee 1
49.67Same again on Saturday please....AYOV27::DSMITHWed Oct 30 1991 12:0512
    
     A good win last night sets us up for the clash with Killie (who?) on
    Saturday. 4 very good goals and a reasonable performance at the back
    must give the team a bit more confidence following the past few weeks
    disasters.
    
     Evans and Gardner were outstanding in the midfield which will be a
    crucial area on Saturday against the Burns Geriatric Collection. Anyone
    know whats up with George? If he's fit for Saturday I would expect him
    to return with Shaw or Smith back on the bench.
    
           Danny...
49.68AYR 4-1 DUNDEESCOAYR::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthWed Oct 30 1991 12:0724
    After my rantings in .64 about how bad Smith was he scores two great
    goals against the worst Dundee side I have ever seen. If that is what
    happens when I slag a player off, then Shaw,Graham,Gardner,Agnew et al
    are all crap. (Let's see if they score a couple each on Saturday :-) )
    
    After early Dundee pressure Ayr took the lead in 15 mins when Garry
    Agnew took a short free-kick from Smith and rasped home a 20 yarder
    past a dozing keeper. It was all Ayr for the rest of the first half and
    on the 35 minute mark an Agnew cross was cleared as far as Smith who
    took careful aim and chipped the ball in at the back post. 5 minutes
    later Shaggy Shaw collected an Agnew pass 25 yards out and, spotting
    Mathers off his line, blasted it over his head and into the net. 3-0
    and the smallish Ayr support were giving it laldy behind the Somerset
    goal. Sweet revenge for a 4-0 gubbing last year at Dens. 
    Part 2 was predictable with Dundee attempting to salvage some pride and
    Ayr content to soak up some pressure and hit on the break. When Billy
    the Submarine scored a consolation for them on hour mark it only fired
    Ayr up and a brilliant move down the left by Bryce when he beat two men
    and cut the ball inside where Ally dummied it and Smith hit it was
    rewarded when Mathers could only palm the latters shot into the top
    corner. Good entertaining stuff and we're now top scorers in the league
    by six goals.  Bring on that other team from AYRshire.
    
    The Happy Kev....
49.69AYOV27::DREESthe black & white machineWed Oct 30 1991 15:4414
    
    Well Chaps wasn't it nice to see us return to the form we showed at the
    start of the season after the crap we've endured in recent weeks. All in 
    all a competent performance topped by 4 very good goals. The only bad 
    point from last night was that I felt we tended to panic slightly 
    after Dundee scored, even though we still had a two goal lead. 
     Gardiner had his best game since signing and Stevie Evans looks to be
    getting back to his best. We still look shakey at the back and I was
    sorry to see Craig Paterson sign for the filth. I would have liked to
    have seen him sign for us. 
         
    Hopefully we can make him see the error of his ways on saturday.
    
    ...Derek
49.70Ayr United 4 DUNDEE 1AYOV27::SALLENWed Oct 30 1991 17:0637
    
    
    
               I do not hear 
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
                     
                       GERMANY CALLING
    
    
                       GERMANY CALLING
    
      
                       GERMANY CALLING
    
    
    
    
    
                         !!!!!!!!!
    
    
    
    
    Where are you Malcolm ???
    
    
    
    
    
    
    love ... Bean
49.71A draw nae fitbaSCOAYR::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthThu Oct 31 1991 16:3337
    
    Right Chaps,
    
    What's your predictions for Saturday ?
    
    Personally, I think that it will be a scoring draw , probably 2-2.
    There will definitely be goals as Ayr's defence are letting them in but
    the attack are banging them home as well. 
    
    Duncan George should be fit but who do you leave out ?  Shaw onto the
    bench ?  Smithy ?   
    
    I hope Cammy puts up the shutters as he has been less than convincing
    recently and needs a good game to boost his confidence again.  Agnew
    probably has the toughest job of all watching Mitchell , but Garry
    should not need any incentive to play well as we all know how he feels
    about the Baghdad Boys.  If Evans, Gardner and George play to their
    potential and somebody shuts down Carpet and Grass ( the Burns sisters)
    we should rule the midfield. I'm beginning to feel more confident now !
    
    A wee pre-emptive comment to finish with...
    
    
    
    Dave Murray,  if you go to the game on Saturday, regardless of the
    result, please do not trot out your usual complaint about not being
    able to see anything from the away end....
    
    Have you stood in the away end at Rugby-Tackle Park ??  You need
    binoculars to see the far end.  What was the point in moving the
    segregation fence ?  You'll never fill that ground with Killie fans
    even if you do make it to the Premier. It ranks along with Dens Park
    and Parkhead as one of the all-time worst vantage points for a 
    football match (from the away section that is)
    
    
    Kev...
49.72Not confident...AYOV27::DSMITHThu Oct 31 1991 17:3415
    
    
     I honestly don't feel too confident about Saturday, mainly because our
    defence is crap. We've lost a lot of goals this season and we could
    loose a few more to the filth. We played reasonably well against Dundee
    and our home record is quite good so hopefully we'll tighten things up
    at the back and in midfield where the Burns Old Crocks could dominate.
    
     We're the top scoring team in Britain just now, hopefully that will
    continue on Saturday.
    
     The Baghdad Boys will probably win quite easily in the yellow/red card
    department, as they did in every game last season!!!
    
      Danny...
49.73Ayr 3 Killie 3 maybe ??SCOAYR::AARNOTTThu Oct 31 1991 19:4313
    I'm afraid I share your lack of confidence boys, but for Kilmarnock.
    Maybe it's a good thing that both teams are playing crap and we'll see
    a high scoring game. It should be interesting to see what difference
    Craig Paterson will make to a defence that leaks worse than a 580 (Vlsi
    in-joke...ignore it). I wouldn't waste any time trying to mark TB out
    of the game cos he won't be in it. The man I'm sorry to say seems to
    have lost it - the real creator these days is Thunder thighs shuggy
    burns.
    
    Is there anybody fast in your lot these days? cos if there is our
    defence won't be able to cope.
    
    Andy.
49.74a share of the points would do me fineAYOV27::DREESthe black & white machineFri Nov 01 1991 15:0615
    
    The PMT is building....
    
    that's PRE MATCH TENSION not the other thingy, and I'm beginning
    to look forward to tomorrow's match. 
    
    I'm not over confident and right now would settle for a draw.  
    
    In saying that however, if our midfield can take care of Tommy & Hugh Burns
    (all they need is George and it would be the oldest midfield in living
    memory) and our defence has one of it's better days, I think 2 pts is
    on the cards.
    
    ...Derek  
                                                                  
49.76Let laughter flourish...:-) :-)AYOV27::DSMITHFri Nov 01 1991 16:268
    
    
     Finlay, all the comments being made in this conference about Killie
    are done tongue-in-cheek. After all, if we can't have a good slagging
    and laugh at our oldest rival's expense then it would make for a pretty
    dour topic.
    
     loadsa :-) :-) :-)
49.77In answer to all the slagging...GIGHA::DMURRAYFri Nov 01 1991 20:0725
Well I returned from holiday in the sun just in time for the derby game. I have
predicted a 2 each draw in the killie notes file but think the game could be 
very close since Ayr let in silly goals ( we need help to score these days ) and
Killie defense strengthed by the latest signing will be pushed by the free
scoring Ayr side.

In an earlier note complaints about the slagging between Killie and Ayr was 
critised but everone should realised is just in good fun and its not serious. 
( except what I say about the Ayr ground being a dump ).


I totally agree that the new segrgation at Rugby park is awfull and dont see the
point in it. However if Ayr allowed the biggest support in the home end I would
get a better view than the last 3 games I've seen at somerset.

On the subject of old players, get your facts right Hugh Burns mau look old but
he is in his mid twenties not late thirties.


Dave


ps : I hear that some Ayr Utd shares are going cheaply these days, and I always
     thought you couldn't give them away.......

49.78The proverbial nightmare comes trueAYOV27::DSMITHSun Nov 03 1991 15:4924
    
    
     Yesterday I made the mistake of leaving the pub to witness possibly
    the worst defensive performance ever at Somerset Park. To make matters
    worse, it had to happen against the boys from North Ayrshire. In all
    honesty, I did not think Kilmarnock played particularly well. They just
    had to wait until our defence made a balls-up and they would pick up
    the 2 points. Credit to Burns and Mitchell for scoring 2 very good
    goals but the Ayr defence, well Kennedy and Auld in particular, would
    not have looked out of place in a poor amateur team (no disrespect to
    any amateur's out there!).
    
     Burley has to take the next good offer that comes in for Shaw and
    spend the cash available on a good, fast commanding centre-half and a
    full-back that doesn't go into panic mode whenever the ball comes near
    him. Basically, Auld and Kennedy have to be replaced NOW or we will
    continue to concede unnecessary goals as we did on Saturday.
    
     We obviously have quite a few injury problems when Burley has to
    resort to putting Brown (future Scotland captain my a**e) and McTurk
    (untried youngster) on the bench. Hopefully we can get our act together
    and win on Tuesday night. After Saturday, I'm not so sure.
    
     Danny...
49.79Sorry....I missed that one...UNTADH::BIRSEC'mon ra 'D'Mon Nov 04 1991 19:038
    I was at EDI '91 in Birmingham last week, Beanie. We had lots of good
    demos, leads etc. It was really a wonderful week, and extremely
    interesting.
    
    Due to this, I was unable to keep alive my usual avid interest in the
    Dens mens' performances. Did something important happen :^)...
    
    
49.80gubbedAYOV27::DREESthe black & white machineTue Nov 05 1991 11:2716
    
    Well it's taken me until today to recover from Saturday's gubbing at
    the hands of the filth. Our performance was pathetic and totally inept.
    Credit must go to Kilmarnock who, although we gifted them 2 goals,
    looked as if they could step up a gear at anytime. They were better
    than us in every department and in my opinion have been the most
    impressive league side to play at Somerset this season. I was surprised
    it finished 3-0 as I felt they were capable of scoring everytime they
    attacked. Craig Paterson was outstanding and I'm sure his signing will
    be the turning point in Kilmarnock's season. It hurts to say it but I
    now feel Killie are good enough to win the First Division. With
    Paterson at the back they will no longer lose silly goals.
    
    Let's hope we can restore some pride tonight.
    
    ...Derek
49.81Spot On SCOAYR::BLIVINGSTONETue Nov 05 1991 12:536
    I must agree with all your comments Derek,in my opinion it was the
    worst performance i have seen from Ayr against Killie in a long time.I
    don,t know how Ayr supporters feel about Greg Shaw but from a Killie
    supporter who has only seen him in the two games against us,i thought
    he was terrible and if i was the Ayr manager i would take the next
    offer that comes in for him and buy a decent centre half.
49.82AYOV20::JHILLTue Nov 05 1991 16:2121
    
    Apart from the result I think the most disappointing aspect of the game
    was the lack of passion and commitment on the park. In fact a comment
    from some punter on the terracing summed up the whole lack lustre
    performance for me when he quipped after Super Ally had made a half
    hearted attempt to connect with a cross " If that had been Dixie Ingram
    the post, the goalie and the ba' would all have ended up in the net."
    Changed days indeed.
    
    As for the game up until Burns scored I felt we might have had the
    edge but from then on in there was only going to be one winner.
    To answer .81 about Shaw I will be more than happy to see him go. He
    has certainly scored some cracking goals this season but I think that at 
    this time we could do with money far more than the player.
    
    
    
    
    
    Steep.
    
49.83AUFC 3-1 QOS IMHO !SCOAYR::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthTue Nov 05 1991 16:3521
    re .81
    
    Brian,
    I know you have only seen Shaw in 2 matches but beleive me when I say
    he is an excellent if perhaps inconsistent player. I had the same
    trouble convincing Ayr supporters he was good 2 years ago when we
    signed him and look at the comments from them now.
    
    On the subject of reserves, McTurk and Hood are both good prospects and
    in my opinion will be too good for Ayr United within a couple of
    seasons.
    
    Derek,
    
    How's your PMT ?
    
    Personally I just can't get up any enthusiasm about tonight's game. I
    feel we will probably win but will get gubbed in the final if we do.
    Always the Bridesmaids, sigh !! 
    
    The Shellshocked Kev...
49.84from bad to worseAYOV27::DREESthe black & white machineWed Nov 06 1991 11:379
     
    After Saturday's garbage I felt we could only improve. How wrong can
    you get. We were appalling and Queen of the South were robbed.
    
    I'm obviously glad were in the final but we don't deserve to be. 
    Our winner was at least 4-5 yards offside.
    
    ...Derek   
      
49.85Syme 3 QOS 2SCOAYR::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthWed Nov 06 1991 12:4926
    Ayr have signed John Traynor (ex-Celtic) from Clydebank. As far as I
    know, he is a full-back. Does anyone know if he can play at centre -
    half or are we still in the market for one of them (the Advertiser says
    there will be another 'signing swoop' this week) 
    Burley was at Rugby-Tackle Park on Monday to see Killie v Celtic
    reserves so he may have been interested in Burgess but I've heard
    Porteous's name mentioned as well.
    
    Last night's debacle should have sent Ayr spinning out of the cup. QOS
    were robbed from start to finish and deserved to win. Syme had probably
    the worst game as ref I have ever seen. He ignored a sending off
    offence when Graham booted Bell on the ground and an assault by Duncan
    George on Henners only got a booking. Ayr's winning goal was about 10
    feet offside and the linesman chose to ignore that as well. You will
    never get a luckier team than Ayr last night, let's hope they carry
    that same luck into the final against the Accies.
    
    Hmmmmmmmmm 
    
    2 cup finals in 2 years ?
    
    Not many Ayrshire Teams can boast about that eh ?
    
    :-)   :-)
    
    Kev...
49.86Our names on the cup...!!!AYOV27::DSMITHWed Nov 06 1991 13:3321
    
    
     I see Ally McLeod slagging off the ref and linesman for last nights
    game. He has my complete sympathy. Ally Graham should have walked after
    kicking the Queens player, Ayr's winner was a good 3 yards offside. How
    the linesman didn't flag is beyond me. Credit to QOS for coming to play
    attacking football. They deserved to win the match. We were a disgrace,
    even worse than Saturday. The sooner we get a good solid centre-half,
    the better. Our defence was all over the place last night, no cohesion
    whatsoever.
    
     Things are not looking good for Saturday. Gardner, Bryce and Shaw all
    picked up knocks last night and could be struggling to make Saturday's
    game. With half the current first team squad injured, we could be
    fielding a very young team against Raith.
    
     Back to last night, Auld, Hood, Fraser and Shaw were utter crap, the
    rest apart from Agnew and possibly Furphy were just crap. Sad days
    indeed!
    
       Danny...
49.87Armchair supporters,You're only Armchair supportersSCOAYR::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthThu Nov 07 1991 13:2914
    While you lot were probably watching TV last night, I was running the
    rule over the reserves against Rangers at Somerset. A fair performance
    had the boys drawing 2-2 with about 9 or 10 mins left before Spencer
    scored his 2nd,3rd and 4th of the night to put a rather flattering
    scoreline of 5-2 on the board. 
    
    Best performances came from a trialist centre-half called Nigel
    something from Morecambe and McTurk (as usual). The trialist sweeper
    also from Morecambe had a reasonable game and probably both will be
    asked back. Nigel Something capped his fine display with Ayr's second
    goal, scoring with a header from a McTurk corner.
    
    
    Kev....  
49.88Nigel who?EAYV01::LGRACESat Nov 09 1991 11:178
    I see that we have broke the bank again and signed another household
    name.Where Mr Burley dug this one from I don't know,I only hope
    that he can play as the Baghdad boys are having a field day on this
    one,especially since most United fans were speculating names like
    John Philliben,Stuart Burgess,Alex Kennedy etc.The only consolation
    is that saturday's will never be dull as long as we hear the chants
    of there's only one NIGEL Howard!!!!
                        
49.89I said he was good !!SCOAYR::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthMon Nov 11 1991 13:3131
    I think it's a bit unfair to slag off signing Big Nige. As probably the
    only person to have seen both his outings in an Ayr strip, I am more
    than impressed. He spent 3 years at Ibrox before returning to Lancaster
    (I thought it was Morecambe, honest !) so he knows the ropes. If the 
    Baghdad Boys are getting at you , ask them why they have spent so much
    money on such a shower of crap and are still not taking up their
    "rightful place" in the Premier League. If Burley had the money that
    the Flops have, Ayr would have signed better players and would be at
    the top of the league , not midtable, so let's keep things in
    perspective.
    
    As to the game on Saturday. Probably the most pleasing aspect was the
    fact that we did not concede a goal. Raith have been banging them in
    recently and Ayr have been losing stupid goals ,so it was nice to see
    a new defence play so well. If you read the Sunday Papers, you would
    get the impression Ayr were not in it, but that's being a wee bit harsh
    as Duncan had one save to make in each half and three shots went over
    the bar whereas Arthur was forced to make about three saves , all in
    the second half. (Mind you , we did not get a corner until 60 minutes
    had elapsed) Traynor had a good game and looks solid, as did big Nige
    (he has to get a nick-name, and soon !) and although McTurk was subbed
    at half-time, he had not played badly. Bryce, George and Kennedy were
    poor in the midfield with too many passes going astray and the service
    to the front men left them little to work on. Smith had a good match
    playing deep at right midfield. MoM award goes to numbers 2,3,4 and 5
    for shoring up a defence that's been letting in more goals than anyone
    else in the league, away from home that is.
    
    Accies reserves at the hallowed ground tonight. See you there ?
    
    Kev...
49.90SCOAYR::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthTue Nov 12 1991 13:1016
49.91Ayr 0 CRAP 3SCOAYR::BLIVINGSTONEWed Nov 13 1991 05:5212
    Sorry Kev but i have to reply to this one,we all know that Mr Fleeting
    has bought alot of crap players but he has also bought a few good
    ones,i.e Patterson,Burns,Williamson and Mitchell.At least the club can
    attract some big name players to Rugby Park,more than can be said for
    Ayr.Remember Ayr did turn down Mr Murray's financial backing so it is
    entirely the club's own fault that Mr Burley hasn't got the money to
    attract better players to the ground,and get into the Premier League.As
    for Killie i am confident that we will be in the Premier League at the
    end of the season,you may slag Killie but at the end of the day i would
    rather being in Killie's position than Ayr's .At least we have a board
    who are willing to have a go at being succesfull,Ayr have a board who
    seem to want the opposite.
49.92Ticket touting is illegal!!!!EAYV01::LGRACEWed Nov 13 1991 11:397
    It has been announced that the B+Q Cup Final will be all ticket
    on the recommendation of the police.I think that this could affect
    the crowd for the match as I don't see many fans who normally don't
    go to the games making the effort to obtain tickets.I cannot understand
    why the police want it all ticket as there is no way that it will
    be a sell-out,although I would have expected a crowd of 9,000 or
    so.
49.93Cheap Crap 0 Expensive Crap 3SCOAYR::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthWed Nov 13 1991 12:0816
49.94Unlimited Budget Mr Fleets ???AYOV27::SALLENWed Nov 13 1991 13:569
    Fleeting has made five players available for transfer. This shows the
    excess in the Killie squad. The players concerned are
    Callaghan,McStay,McQuilter,Elliot and Porteous. 
    
     I hope that Burley has the money to buy the last two as they are good
    players who have not had a fair run in the Killie team.
    
    
    ...Bean
49.95ELLIOT ???SCOAYR::AARNOTTWed Nov 13 1991 15:449
    RE. -1
    I take it that you've only seen Elliott play in the 3-1 Killie Ayr game
    last year. These days he'd be last picked for a game of fives in Dam
    Park.
    
    IMHO Willie Mcstay might not be a bad buy to bolster your defence
    though.
    
    Andy. 
49.96No Score BoreSCOAYR::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthMon Nov 18 1991 19:0220
    Stirling Albion 0-0 Ayr United
    
    Another disappointing game goes by and we have not scored on a Saturday
    for 4 weeks.  Very little to report on the game which was watched by
    about 1000 fans. About 300-400 from Ayr which beats the massive total
    of 218 which we mustered for last weeks visit to the dregs ground in
    dregland, sorry Kirkcaldy. Albion had the better of a dour first half
    but the only moment of note was a header from Moore which hit the Ayr
    crossbar and bounced out to be cleared. Big Nige then squashed Fat
    Willie Watters into the plastic pitch and he had to be dragged off as
    the stretcher bearers could not carry him. Ayr dominated the second
    half but failed to find the net with any of the chances they created.
    Ayr now have only one more game left on plastic and I'm glad. It's a
    crappy surface and one which gives a definite advantage to the home
    team. Players can't control the ball when it's bouncing, it runs away
    from them in passes and the only good point is it's always playable
    
    Accies on Tuesday in a rehearsal for the Cup Final 
    
    Kev.....
49.97AYR 0 - 2 HAMILTONSCOAYR::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthWed Nov 20 1991 13:1343
    Just when you thought it couldn't get any worse... 
    
    It did.
    
    Last night's debacle is best forgotten, but for them that were not
    there, (Delboy and Beany) here is a brief resume.
    
    I knew the minute I saw the name WADDELL as ref in the programme that
    the game would be crap. It was. Hamilton played their usual competent
    but extremely boring (but effective !) style of football. i.e play the
    ball back to your keeper at least 20 times each half and hit on the
    break, most often from a kick-out. Ayr had the best chance first when
    Dobbin Graham was through with only the keeper to beat and shot weakly
    at him from 18 yards. The keeper's kickout was flicked on in midfield
    to Gary Clark who I must say was in a rather obviously offside position
    at the time, however, he ignored Ayr's protests and ran on to smash the
    ball high past Duncan for the opener after 29 minutes. If only Dobbin
    had scored it might have been different. Ayr pushed for the rest of the
    first half but Hamilton easily soaked up all the pressure and never
    looked in serious trouble. Shaw came on for Evans at half-time and
    nearly scored early on when he was through on the keeper only to see
    McCulloch smother his shot easily. Ayr continued to press but were
    continually frustrated by Hamilton's pass backs. The sooner FIFA bring
    in the new rules about pass backs the better for any team playing
    against the Accies. Waddell lived up to his reputation on the hour mark
    when he missed a blatant hand-ball in the Hamilton box as Millen
    punched the ball into the keeper's arms, quite unbelievable !  There
    was another couple of incidents which may have resulted in penalties
    but it was looking more and more like another defeat. This was
    confirmed with 4 minutes left when Harris ran down the left, cut inside
    and fired in a shot which Duncan could only parry and Clark netted the
    rebound from about 5 yards. All in all, a right good gubbing and an
    object lesson in how to play football. Ayr have never really managed to
    get it right against Hamilton and I can't remember the last time we
    actually beat them in a league game.
    
    I think we'll get gubbed in the final as well , in fact, I don't think
    we'll even score. There, how's that for confidence ?
    
    Only piece of good news is that Dizzy Gillespie has joined the Donkey
    Sanctuary in Dumfries for free.
    
    The Unhappy One...... 
49.98Another shambles....AYOV27::DSMITHWed Nov 20 1991 13:1626
    
    
     The dismal run continues. 2 wins, 2 draws and 6 defeats in our last 10
    league games. Not very inspiring stuff. To make matters worse, we've
    only scored in 1 of our last 6 games.
    
     Last night was very poor. Ally Graham missed when through against the
    keeper, Hamilton then went upfield and scored the opener (although it
    was a good yard offside). After that it was the same old story.
    Hamilton defended, wasted time and generally tried to kill the game.
    Ayr missed a couple of chances, Hamilton counter-attacked and it was
    2-0. 
    
     Midfield was non-existant last night. As a result we resorted to the
    big punt upfield which got us nowhere. Bryce, Evans, Kennedy and Graham
    were crap and need to be replaced. The worry is there's no-one
    available just now due to injuries.
    
    
    ps 
    
     I can picture the B&Q final. Hamilton score early on, then waste as
    much time as possible before scoring a late 2nd. Something similar to
    last night!
    
     Danny...
49.99MTFC 1-1 AYRSCOAYR::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthMon Nov 25 1991 15:5859
    At last !
    
    It's Monday so it's time for my usual rantings after the match.
    
    The 440 people in Meadowbank Stadium were not rewarded for their
    loyalty in turning up. A terrible surface made skilful play a rarity
    and both midfields were slipping and sliding about in the mud. Ayr
    introduced Peter Weir for his first match in 7 months and although he
    played well, it will take a few more games before he reaches anything
    like fitness. Ayr had the early chances but Shaggy decided because he
    had No 9 on his back he would play like Dobbin Graham and missed on
    several occasions. Thistle played Grant as a striker and he caused
    plenty of problems for Furphy who did not win one ball in the air in
    the first half. Grant was probably more dangerous than the normal
    Thistle strikers and looks like he could play there again. After
    starting poorly, Smith came into the game and from one of his shots
    from 20 yards the ball rebounded from the bar to Bryce who calmly fired
    home at the near post. Ayr had several other chances to increase their
    lead before and after half-time but were made to suffer when Cammy
    Duncan was stretchered off after a bad collision between him, Howard
    and a wee nyaff called Little, who appeared to go over the ball.  If
    you listened to Radio Scotland it was a head injury, but to me it
    looked like his left leg that got the worst of it. At this point (59m)
    Traynor , Howard and Duncan were all getting treatment, and it looked
    like we would be left with 8 players. However, Davie Kennedy fulfilled
    his ambition and pulled on the Goalie jersey for the first time. By my
    reckoning, he has played with every number except 9 on his back, quite
    a record. His first task was to defend a corner and although he did not
    actually get to it, the ball spun out for a goal-kick. Even then Ayr
    had chances to win the game and players like Gardner,Shaw and Bryce
    must do better when in front of goal. On the 79 min mark Thistle won a
    corner and Kennedy met it brilliantly to punch well clear. The ball was
    played in again and Kennedy cleared the resulting header out for a
    corner again. It was at this point that the BITB decided that the only
    way Meadowbank would score would be a penalty and he duly awarded them
    one.No-one in the ground claimed for it and none of the players could
    understand why it was given. Kennedy was spoken to , for dissent
    perhaps ,but not booked and Roseburgh scored from the spot. The ref had
    to go to the dugout and speak to Roberts and Burley who were furious
    and tell them why it was given. I reckon if you looked up
    "ILLEGITIMATE" in the dictionary, there would be a photograph of Jim
    Renton of Cowdenbeath in his refs gear.
    
    The game fizzled out after that and the final whistle brought cheers
    from the Ayr support for a terrific performance by the defence who
    played so well in the last 30 mins that Kennedy did not have a save to
    make. (BTW he almost saved the penalty) and boos for Renton who left
    the field to shouts of "Cheat".
    
    It's time Meadowbank were back where they belong. Division 2 . They
    have a terrible stadium to watch football in , a crap surface to play
    it on and a support which is as weird as a bottle of bananas, that would
    fit quite comfortably in the back seat of a Metro. Long may their run
    of bad results continue.
    
    Gets off soapbox and hits CTRL/Z......
    
    
    Kev....     
49.100The full-timer turns part-timeSCOAYR::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthTue Nov 26 1991 11:4514
    
    Last night's reserve game saw the return of Cally for 90 mins and
    Burley for the second half of a good win over Stenhousemuir. Goals by
    McTurk (2), Auld and the trialist striker who also hit 2 gave Ayr an
    easy 5-2 win although it could have been different had Mickey Robertson
    not had a superb game in nets.
    
    It seems Cammy has badly damaged ankle ligamentsand will be in hospital
    for about another 5 days yet.
    
    Forfar away tonight. Sob Sob . I'll miss my first match, home or away
    for a year. If anyone is going, get a report in here tomorrow.
    
    Kev...
49.101SCOAYR::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthWed Nov 27 1991 11:5912
    
    A very valuable two points gained last night at Forfar. From newspaper
    reports it appears to have been mostly Ayr and it took Forfar over half
    an hour to even force a corner. On the 60 minute mark Ayr were awarded
    a penalty when Walker was pulled down in the box but Thomson turned
    Bryce's spot kick out for a corner. From the corner, Bryce netted after
    a goalmouth scramble, with the ball going in off the bar.
    
    Moved up to 5th place last night.  Montrose at the hallowed ground on
    Saturday. Should be 2 more points, but then again.......
    
    Kev..
49.102Ayr are back ????AYOV27::SALLENWed Nov 27 1991 13:3020
    Ayr team was :-
    
    
    
                                Purdie
             Traynor                                   Agnew
                                Furphy
                                Howard
    
          Smith         Gardner        Kennedy             Bryce 
    
                        Walker         Graham
    
    
    Walker was supposed to have had a good match. Hopefully he will play on
    Saturday.
    
    
    ... Bean
    
49.103How serious is Cammy Duncan's injury...?AYOV27::DSMITHWed Nov 27 1991 13:504
    
    
    
     
49.104There's only one gas meter!!!!!!EAYV01::LGRACEWed Nov 27 1991 15:123
Re Note .102
    I think that you will find that Weir played from the start against
    Forfar and that Smith was on the bench along with Shaw.
49.105cumbakcamAYOV27::SALLENWed Nov 27 1991 19:036
    You are correct Lawrence. Weir started the game and Smith was a sub.
    
     Cammy is in hospital and could be out for up to six weeks.
    
    
    ... Bean
49.106Ayr 2 Montrose 0AYOV18::DREESthe black & white machineMon Dec 02 1991 16:2126
    
    Saturday's performance again left a lot to be desired. Although we won
    in the end the standard of football played was atrocious and the
    entertainment value was zero. Things will have to improve considerably
    if we are to beat Hamilton on Sunday.
    
    The only good points to come out of the game was the performance of
    the defence which looked very solid and the performance of Tommy
    Walker (his work rate was excellent). It was also good to see Paul
    McLean back as I feel we've missed his "dig" in midfield. 
    
    Dobbin was again crap as was Lee Gardner. These two don't looked 
    interested and it's about time they got their finger out and started
    working as hard as the rest of the team.
    
    According to the "Stage 1" chappies the team that plays tomorrow
    against Morton will be the team that plays on Sunday with the exception
    of John Traynor (cup tied) and possibly Gary Agnew who is only one 
    booking away from suspension. Burley will play from the start as will
    Duncan George.
    
    It is important to beat Morton tomorrow night, not only to keep up with
    the leading pack but also to boost the confidence for the final.
    Hopefully the performance will improve and we can bag another 2pts.
    
    ...Derek
49.107Selection time...AYOV18::DSMITHMon Dec 02 1991 17:2525
    
    
     Let's have your cup-final team selections.
    
    
                                 Purdie
    
         Agnew           Furphy          Howard          McLean
                                                   (please not the chicken)
          Bryce           George         Gardner         Weir
    
                         Walker         Dobbin
    
     subs from  Shaw, Smith, Evans, Chicken.
    
      Saturday was one of the worst for a long time. We never created much
    up front and it always looked as if a penalty would be the way through.
    
      Dobbin isn't having a good spell just now. I think he's in the team
    more as a nuisance factor. He's a big striker who upsets defenders. He
    may not be everyone's favourite but he was involved in both goals on
    Saturday so he's obviously doing something right.
    
      Danny...
          
49.108AYOV18::DREESthe black & white machineMon Dec 02 1991 17:5216
    
    Cup-Final Team:
    
                        Purdie
    
          Burley    Furphy    Howard    Agnew 
               
              McLean    Gardner    George
    
                        Bryce
                Walker         Dobbin
    
    
     Subs: Weir,Shaw    
    
     No place for Smith,Kennedy or Evans.
49.1097 out of 8AYOV27::SALLENWed Dec 04 1991 11:0910
    A good win last night. Where did Dobbin learn these new tricks !
    
    
    Anyway, Purdie, Howard and George are all doubtful for Sunday.
    
    Who could we get on loan if we need a goalie. 
     
    
    
    ..... Stevie
49.1103 in a rowSCOAYR::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthWed Dec 04 1991 12:1536
    
    Ayr United 3-2 Morton
    
    A good win last night against a team who appear to be struggling at the
    moment. Morton however, started better than Ayr and the combination of
    Mathie and McCabe caused Ayr's defence lots of problems in the first
    half. Mathie should have done better when clean through on goal but
    Purdie brought off a magnificent save at his feet. Ayr failed to take a 
    golden opportunity when , after a corner, Wylie was posted missing
    (again) and the ball dropped at Bryce's feet but he was crowded out
    before he could get a shot in. Morton raced out out of defence and a
    long ball found McCabe who bore down on goal. Purdie raced out to
    tackle and the ball broke to Mathie who fired into the empty net.
    1-0 half-time.  
    
    Ayr started the second half in whirlwind fashion and forced Morton
    back for long periods. The breakthrough came in 58 mins when Walker was
    on hand to touch home a Graham knockdown. Further chances were
    squandered before Graham again got on the end of a Traynor cross to
    dive and head a glorious goal to put the finalists in front. 5 minutes
    later, it was 3 - 1. Shaw capitalised on a mistake on the halfway line
    to stride forward. Reaching the byeline, he cut the ball back perfectly
    for Super Ally G to blast home a volley from 15 yards, low into the
    corner of the net. 7 minutes later, the Morton sub Deeney got on the
    end of a free-kick and his flick deceived the injured Purdie to put a
    rather false reflection on the scoreline. 
    
    BTW . Can any of you Morton boys tell me if the training at  Cappielow
    involves raw meat ?  Pickering, Doak, McInnes and Fowler (well named)
    all laid the boot in with monotonous regularity and if the ref had been 
    a man and not a wee powder-puff, there might have been a few less
    Yellow jerseys on the park come the final whistle. McInnes was very
    lucky to escape an early bath when he just failed to connect with Tommy
    Bryce after a lunging two-footed attempted assault.
    
    Kev...
49.111AYOV27::DREESthe black & white machineWed Dec 04 1991 14:2910
    
    re. last
    
    "Super" is not the adjective I'd use to describe Dobbin.
    
    "Lazy","crap","shite" yes but certainly not super.
    
    Last night he got lucky. I'd still hunt him.
    
    ...Derek
49.112Luckiest forward in the league!!!!EAYV01::LGRACEWed Dec 04 1991 15:467
    Derek,although I agree with most of your comments about Dobbin,I
    would like to point out that 12 strikes by early December puts him
    up there with Eadie,Dalziel,and Shaw (Not a bad average!!!) and
    remember the strikes at Dens in the Skol Cup and also St Johnstone
    in the Skol,and also Forfar in the league.Luck surely not!!!!!!!!!
                          Sal
    
49.113Get Aff 'is BackSCOAYR::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthWed Dec 04 1991 16:1121
    re .111
    
    Delboy,
    
    If you remember correctly, it was me who christened him "Dobbin" in .97
    and also described him as a cross between Desert Orchid and Robocop 
    when we signed him . He was good (not lucky) last night but he's 
    been crap before and he'll be crap again . All I'm saying is give the
    guy some credit where it is due. If it had not been for Walker touching
    in a header on the goal-line, he would have had a superb second-half
    hat-trick, everyone of them a cracker.
    
    Perhaps if we merged the workrate of Walker with SUPER Ally's ability
    (which he has but uses infrequently) we might have a devastating
    forward.
    
    Here's hoping Purdie , Howard , George and Agnew are all fit for the
    Final and that the entire Hamilton team are sent off tonight playing
    against MTFC.
    
    Kev...
49.114Will the real SUPER ALLY stand up...AYOV27::DSMITHWed Dec 04 1991 16:4216
    
    
     Derek, as I said in an earlier note, the real SUPER ALLY (without the
    video..) is a very hard player for any defence to play against.
    Granted, his work rate may not be that great but he does create a lot
    of hassle for the opposition and is involved in a good percentage of
    the goals that we score. 
    
     As a previous note said, play Ally alongside Tommy Walker and I'm
    quite sure we'll get a few more goals (starting on Sunday)
    
    ps Any update on the injury situation? I thought Agnew was being rested
    as he was 1 booking off a suspension. George wasn't being risked for
    last night so he's probably ready for Sunday.
    
     Danny...
49.115his attitude sucksAYOV18::DREESthe black & white machineThu Dec 05 1991 15:0223
    
    Chaps,
            I agree with everything that has been said in the last three 
    replies regarding Dobbin. He has scored some very good goals this
    season and he is also a handful for *SOME* defences to handle. In
    saying that, he is also the laziest player I have seen at Somerset in
    recent years and that includes the lazy wee F***** that now plays with
    QOS.
         In my opinion, not only is he lazy, but he continually moans and
    whinges when things are not going well. He never gives 100% and is
    always ready to blame someone else when a move breaks down. Have you
    ever seen him "chasing back" after he has lost the ball or been caught
    in possession ? He could certainly learn from Tommy Walker in this
    department.
     I agree he is probably our best forward and as a target man is as good
    as anyone in the First Division. What annoys me about Ally Graham is the 
    fact that he could be a far *BETTER* player if his attitude changed. If 
    his work rate improved and he stopped his continual moaning he could be 
    the best striker in the 1st Div. 
     The potential is there but the determination to improve isn't. That's why 
    I get continually pissed off with his performances. 
    
    ...Derek
49.116Can it get any wurse, you better beleive it.KIRKTN::JADAMSFri Dec 06 1991 00:2223
    Re .110

    	Kev,
    	  Good report. I was surprised to see that Ayr only managed to
    score 3 goals (bumpers by all accounts, too) against what must surely
    be the worst defence in world professional football. What a record in
    recent weeks, one point from a possible 14 which started with us being
    joint top of the league. Sickened? don't talk to me about it.
    	About the animals you mentioned, Doak is an idiot, Pickering hasn't
    got enough of a brain to be an idiot and Fowler has always been a fug.
    McInnes I am surprised about though. I can only assume that this is
    part of his "toughening up" that he hasn't really understood very well.
    I for one have never been in any doubt that he has great footballing
    talent but never been able to "mix it" with the less subtle midfield
    players of the first division (a la Hugh Burns?). I would hope that
    he'll be taken aside and told in no uncertain terms that trying to
    break somebody's leg(s) is just not on.
    	Hope that all you boys have an extremely enjoyable Sunday, I'll
    look forward to reading all the "YA BEAUTY"'s next week.
    		
    				Cheers,
    				   John A.
49.117AYOV27::DREESthe black & white machineFri Dec 06 1991 15:3117
    
    Chaps,
    
    Is the PMT mounting yet ?
    
    As with most supporters of successful teams I'm finding it increasingly
    harder to get excited (ooh arr!!). Cup finals are just becoming to much
    of a habit.:-)
    
    Any predictions for Sunday ?
    
    I'll go for a 2-1 win. 
    
    ...Derek    
    
     
     
49.1183-1 Accies I'm afraid...AYOV27::DSMITHFri Dec 06 1991 18:341
    
49.11990 minutes of torture.....AYOV27::DSMITHTue Dec 10 1991 14:1524
    
    
     What's up chaps, I expected a few cup final post mortems in here by
    now.
    
     Sunday was another let down for the large Ayr support who travelled
    through to Motherwell. Ayr were utter crap and could have played all
    week without scoring. For 90 minutes they resorted to the big punt
    upfield and not once did they look like scoring. There wasn't a player
    in the team who could hold the ball and try and play some football on
    the deck.
    
     Burley must now look at several of the players and think seriously
    about replacing them. Bryce, Gardner, Kennedy, Howard and Smith should
    be dropped and some changes made before Saturday's game with Thistle
    which we have to win to stay close to the leading pack.
    
     Ayr's MOM  --  Gary Agnew. The rest hardly get pass marks.
    
     The best part of the day on Sunday was the pre-match entertainment in
    the Miner's Welfare club. It was a pity we had to leave and watch the
    worst game of football seen for a long time.
    
     Danny...
49.120AYOV27::SALLENTue Dec 10 1991 16:454
    Furphy must go before Howard on Sunday's performance
    
    
    ...Bean
49.121Ally for Airdrie!!!!!!!EAYV01::LGRACEThu Dec 12 1991 11:5714
    Well chaps Tom Dunlop from Stage 2 hit us with the rumour yesterday
    that Airdrie had offered 200,000 for Ally Graham,well anybody who
    knows Tom will tell you that his rumours are usually way out and
    usually pure fabrication,however last night I was told by a friend
    who is a workmate of Lee Gardner's father that Tom's rumour is
    actually true although the deal being offered is Steve Gray plus
    money.I don't know what money would be involved but I have been
    assured that Airdrie have made an offer and that it is under
    consideration by Ayr.What is your views on this one lad's,should
    we sell? I know that there is always countless rumours going on
    regarding transfers but I do feel that something has got to be done
    to strengthen the squad whether it is by selling Graham or Shaw.
                                            
                         Cheers
49.122WHAT I HEARDAYOV27::BDOCHERTYThu Dec 12 1991 13:557
    RE-121
    LAWRENCE I HAD A DRINK WITH IAIN FERGUSON OF THE DAILY RECORD AFTER THE
    KILLIE V STIRLING GAME LAST SATURDAY, HE TOLD ME THAT ALLY GRAHAM WOULD
    PLAY IS LAST GAME FOR AYR UNITED LAST SUNDAY IN THE B&Q CUP FINAL. THE
    FEE HE MENTIONED WAS 200,000  POUNDS AND THE CLUB INVOLVED WAS AIRDRIE
    HE DID NOT MENTION ANYTHING ABOUT STEVE GRAY, BUT THIS IS A POSSIBILTY
    AS THE BOY IS LOCAL AND IS READY FOR A MOVE FROM AIRDRIE. 
49.123Take the cash.....AYOV27::DSMITHThu Dec 12 1991 14:0612
    
    
     If this is true then there is no way Burley is going to turn down 200k
    for Ally Graham. As much as I like Graham playing up front, Burley has
    to strengthen the team all round and as he has no money to spend just
    now, he'll surely take the cash.
    
     Most first division teams are now wise to Ally's style of play. They
    only need to put a big strong marker on him and our options are
    severely reduced.
    
     Danny...
49.124pull the otherAYOV27::DREESthe black & white machineThu Dec 12 1991 17:096
    
    
    200K for Dobbin, you must be kidding ?! As most of you know I don't 
    rate the big lump of sh*** to highly. 20k would be nearer the mark. 
    
    ...Derek
49.125200 pennies ???AYOV27::SALLENThu Dec 12 1991 18:0416
    Watch out  .....
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
           Beadle's about ...
    
    
    200k my ass
    
    ...Bean
    
49.126Super skills award my arse !AYOV27::DREESthe black & white machineTue Dec 17 1991 01:4020
    
    There seems to be a difference of opinion about Dobbin's abilities in 
    this topic. 
    
    Starting from the beginning of this month and continuing 'till the end of 
    the season I'm going to award him marks out of 10 for performance over
    90 mins.
    
    So far I see it like this :
    
    Tue 3rd v Morton   - crap for 60 mins, ok for 30  = 3 out of 10
    Sun 8th v Hamilton - crap for 90 mins             = 0 out of 10
    Sat 14th v Partick - crap for 90 mins             = 0 out of 10
    
    total so far 3 out of 30.
    
    With 20 league games left what's the chance of him breaking into
    double figures ????
    
    ...Derek
49.127AYOU18::JHILLTue Dec 17 1991 11:5913
    Delboy,
    
    
    	With the exception of Gary Agnew and perhaps Furpherino you could
    apply your marks out of ten to the whole team.
    
    Super Ally must stay !!!!
    
    
    So must Stevie Evans !!!!!!!!
    
    
    Steep
49.128SCOAYR::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthTue Dec 17 1991 14:0840
    Steep,
    	Speaking as one who has witnessed Evans last few performances in
    the reserves, I don't think there will be a place made for him in the
    first team. Although he actually managed to score last week at Stair
    Park, his overall contribution to games has been nothing short of very
    little. On the plus side, Duncan George made his return last night in 
    a reserve match at home against Albion Rovers. Rovers fielded 8
    trialists as they also had a match at Rugby park last night (great
    planning by the SFA, huh ?) and were forced to play an outfield player
    in nets. The guy had played there before but still did not look to sure
    and was beaten 3 times, twice by McTurk (different class) and once by
    Cally. Fraser also returned last night but was subbed at half-time
    after a dreadful tackle by Gallacher of Rovers. Final Score 3-1.
    
    On Saturday's game. I thought Ayr played well for about 50 mins and had
    a poor Thistle Team under severe pressure (almost as much as our 5's
    team had against your team Del-boy :-)  ) before a fluke goal by Irons
    with an assist from Howard put the Maryhill Muppets 1-0 up. A dreadful
    goal to lose put the Jags 2-0 up and Ayr were left chasing their tails
    for 20 mins. Purdie should be shot for letting the ball bounce in front
    of him before watching it roll into the net behind him. The ref again
    had a nightmare. Willie Young from Clarkston (born in Prestwick
    actually) was voted worst referee by the reader of Killie Ken so it's
    not just us that think he is crap. The only thing he did right was to
    book that diving little scumbag McGlashan for a deliberate dive and an
    attempt to get Furphy sent off for a professional foul. If only more
    refs could see through the antics of players like him the Scottish game
    would be far better off. I hope the next time he tries a dive like
    that, he seriously injures himself and as he is being stretchered off,
    is given a red card. Might stop him the next time.
    
    Rumours abound at Somerset about Loudon stepping down and also about
    David Murray's wife buying Myles Callaghan's shares, (This appears to
    be true !!)
    
    Off to Dundee on Saturday, is anyone else, or are you all going Xmas
    shopping with your beloved ones   :-)
    
    
    Kev....
49.129Ayr UtdAYOV27::SALLENFri Jan 03 1992 11:544
    Happy new year to all Ayr fans
    
    
    ... Bean
49.130It falls to Agnew....1-1AYOV27::DSMITHFri Jan 03 1992 14:2922
    
    
     Happy New Year folks.
    
     A good performance on Wednesday in the new year derby against
    Kilmarnock resulting in a 1-1 draw. Killie had the better chances but I
    thought Ayr played very well until the last 10 when Killie finished a
    bit stronger. Everyone played their part but Purdie, Kennedy (!),
    Traynor and George get extra marks. Nice to see Garry Agnew scoring a
    cracker against his old club. (Fleeting must be daft to pay 70k for Tom
    Black and yet give Agnew a free transfer).
    
     After taking a point from Raith last week and wednesday's point,
    hopefully we can take 2 from Stirling tomorrow at Somerset. However, we
    all know what happened last time round. I'll go for 3-0 Ayr!!!!!
    
     On a sadder note, Ian McAllister has been forced to announce his
    retirement from football due to a serious knee injury. Cally has been
    at Somerset since 1977 and was a stalwart at centre-half for many
    years. We wish him well.
    
     Danny...
49.131The return of Scissorhands...AYOV27::DSMITHMon Jan 06 1992 23:3922
    
    
     What a disaster on Saturday. After playing so well in recent weeks,
    Purdie was back to his old routine of loosing daft goals. The first one
    was really shocking, letting a weak shot through his legs. The second
    was a misunderstanding between Traynor and Purdie. 
    
     After loosing the second goal, Ayr totally dominated the game in terms
    of possession but bad finishing, very good goalkeeping and not a lot of
    luck restricted us to a consolation goal in the last minute.
    
     Stirling have now taken 5 points out of 6 off us this season. If it
    was the other way round, we would be sitting in 3rd place. As it is,
    our league season is nearly over as far as maintaining a challenge is
    concerned unless we take 4 points away to Dundee tomorrow and Hamilton
    on Saturday. I don't really think so.
    
     Not a bad draw in the cup, Motherwell are struggling this season only
    averaging a goal a game in the league. Hopefully we can find some of
    our early season form and who knows what could happen.
    
     Danny...
49.132SCOAYR::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthMon Jan 13 1992 19:0022
    Another defeat at the hands of our bogey team. I'm getting rather fed
    up following Ayr to Hamilton , knowing their either going to lose
    heavily (4-0, 3-1) in the last couple of years) or lose narrowly , like
    Saturday. After recovering from losing an early goal, Ayr equalised
    through Bryce who slammed the ball in via the bar from about 12 yards.
    The game appeared to be fizzling out when a through ball from Napier
    found McCluskey all on his own (Howard should have been marking him)
    and he had plenty of time to round Purdie and fire home from a very
    acute angle via Davie Kennedy. All this with less than 60 seconds to
    go. Rather sickening, dontcha think ?
    
    A rather more worrying note is that Burley has still not moved for a
    goalie. If Purdie gets injured (and believe me, if i meet him in a dark
    alley sometime, he'll be injured) we're left with a 17 year-old Youth
    team goalie who is playing for the reserves at the moment. I think we
    should approach Ally Maxwell and get him on-loan till the end of the
    season. The guy is on the dole and would probably welcome the match
    practice, and we would welcome having a goalie for a change. 
    
    Celtic reserves at Somerset tonight.......should be fun 
    
    Kev...
49.133NEW SIGNINGEAYV01::FHEWITSONTue Jan 14 1992 00:518
    
    kev
      let us know how graeme mcvie plays
    
    ps
       rumour has it thet burley bought mcvie because gaz agnew is going
    to hearts
    
49.1342-2SCOAYR::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthTue Jan 14 1992 11:5222
    Finlay,
    
    Graeme McVie did not even get a game ! He was warming up with the first
    team squad at Hamilton on Saturday and I thought he was a certainty for
    a run last night but Burley sent out the following team;
    
    Trialist (Derek Atkins ex-Clyde),Burley (!),Vincent,Hood,Allan,Traynor,
    Trialist (Chris Ireland ?),Smith,Shaw,Trialist (?),Evans. Subs were
    Auld and McCallion.
    
    Ayr lost a goal early on when Atkins failed to hold a shot from Hayes
    and Britton followed up to tap in. Ayr equalised in the 46th minute
    when Smith headed in at the back post after a Shaw flick on. With 10
    minutes left Shaw fired low past McLean to put Ayr ahead but 5 mins
    later Martin Hayes flicked over the keeper and tapped in for an
    equaliser. A good result for Ayr against a strong Celtic side included
    in which were McCahill,Galloway,Britton,McCarrison and Hayes. Most
    impressive for Ayr were Burley, Traynor and the Keeper. Celtic's most
    outstanding player was Mike Galloway, but only because he managed to
    stay on the park for 90 mins.
    
    Kev...
49.135SCOAYR::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthMon Jan 20 1992 16:0323
    Another poor performance from Ayr on Saturday. After controlling most
    of the first half and missing a couple of chances, they let Montrose
    back into the game and , in the end, were lucky to escape with a
    point. Twice in the last 15 mins , Ayr had to clear off the line and
    the tall Montrose attackers caused the defence all sorts of problems at
    corners etc.  Burley was a sub but did not play. McLean , Evans and
    especially Dobbin were absolutely terrible. With about 5 minutes to go
    Graham was easily disposessed on the edge of the area and instead of
    chasing the defender, he just stood there looking like the big idiot he
    is. At this point, I decided to give him a bit of stick for being lazy. 
    As there was only 718 people at the game, he heard every word loud and
    clear and responded as I thought he would....
    
    He indicated that i perhaps indulged in some form of self-abuse....
    
    He's got a damn cheek. It's the supporters that are paying his wages
    and he should at least try and repay them with bit of effort. 
    
    Clyde reserves at Somerset tonight.
    
    Burley and McVie should play.
    
    Kev...
49.136SCOAYR::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthTue Jan 21 1992 13:0215
    Ayr 1-1 Clyde.
    
    A match Ayr totally dominated and should have won by about 3 or 4 goals
    but a combination of bad finishing and desperate defending restricted
    Ayr to a Shaw goal. With ten mins left, Greg Hood fell over the ball
    when attempting a passback and Watson scored easily for the Gypsy
    Scumbags.  Team: Atkins,Burley,Vincent,Hood,Auld,Trialist(?),Trialist
    (a wee Englishman called Jamie who is a free from Notts Forest/County
    and looked like a good winger),Smith,Shaw,Agnew,Evans. Subs McLean and
    Moran.
    
    I would expect the wee English chappie to get another run as he was
    about the best man on the park and had an excellent second-half.
    
    Kev...
49.137No quarters this seasonMADBAS::DREESthe black & white machineFri Jan 24 1992 15:2715
    
    Well chaps whats the chances of us springing a wee surprise tomorrow ?
    
    With our water-tight defence up against such talentless forwards as
    Cooper,Arnott and Ferguson I can't see there being much of a problem
    :-)
    
    On second thoughts I think we'll get humped.
    
    The only comforting thought is that come 17:40 tomorrow not only will
    our season be finished but so will Killies
    
    Derzo.
                   
    
49.138Ayr Utd 1 Motherwell 1MADBAS::DREESthe black & white machineSun Jan 26 1992 20:3918
    
    A fighting perfomance from the boys and in the end we deserved
    a replay. Both sides missed good chances in what was an entertaining
    game. Hopefully the replay will be just as close although Fir Park
    has not been a lucky ground for Ayr in recent seasons !! 
                        
    In the Mail today it states that all previous Cup games between Ayr 
    and Motherwell have went to replays with Motherwell winning through
    each time. Hopefully we can change that statistic although now that
    Motherwell know what to expect I think they'll be too strong for
    us. 
    
    It was good to see Burley back and although his distribution was poor
    I thought he played well. 
    
    Derzo. 
      
     
49.139KURMA::GMCDONALDC'mon The Honest MenMon Feb 03 1992 03:4621
    Hi Boys,
          I made it back on Saturday to see the Bankies game , not bad at
    all ,what a differance Burley makes on the park, I just hope his run in the 
    team is going to be a long one .Just think where we might have been in
    the league if all the part-time fans hadnt chassed him out the team.
          Man of the match on Saturday was between George or Howard ,but 
    they all battled well bar one big lazzy puddin who will remain
    nameless.
          Just 8 points off second place,what a pity we dont have a board 
    because like we all said two skillfull players in the 50K bracket
    would have just about done it.
    
               
                        BRING ON THE WEll.....
     
    
    
                   See you all on Saturday
                         SAL
    
    
49.140Hat-trick Traynor sinks Clydebank CloggersSCOAYR::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthMon Feb 03 1992 15:4523
    I thought we were lucky to beat Clydebank. Harvey had a superb game in
    midfield and really the bankies had little luck in front of goal. John
    Traynor gave the strikers a lesson in how to take chances. 4 shots at
    goal and 3 goals. Why can't the rest of the team stick the ball away
    first time instead of trying to walk it into the net ? With the score
    at 2-1, Purdie had a brainstorm and decided to take the ball for a long
    walk. Result ? An indirect freekick for too many steps. 11 Ayr men
    along the goal line and luckily, the ball was cleared, no thanks to
    Scissorhands. Burley seems to confuse the defence sometimes and other
    times he is there to make saving tackles. His passing in the first half
    was absolutely terrible,but got better in the second. I would give MoM
    to Howard for a good display against that dirty,diving cheating scumbag
    Eadie. Although Ally G did not play as well as against Motherwell, he
    was being fouled almost every time he went for the ball and Walker was
    also given a rough time by Rowe. Rowe and McIntosh (no 5) were both
    lucky to stay on the park.
    
    East Stirlingshire reserves tonight and then some Lanarkshire team
    tomorrow night.
    
    See you there ?
    
    Kev...
49.141MADBAS::DREESthe black & white machineTue Feb 04 1992 01:4211
    
    re .139
    
    Sal me auld f***hound I liked your little intrusion in the maggot
    note. They seem a little sensitive at the moment so I'd tread
    carefully, we wouldn't want to upset them too much :-)
    
    
    ps. They'll be plenty of time next season to do that !!    
      
    Derzo.
49.142OOT THE CUP AGAIN........BHUNA::GMCDONALDC'mon The Honest MenWed Feb 05 1992 07:446
    Anyone at Fir Park last night ?If so could you give me an update on
    the match ,crowd and performance.
    
    
    
              cheers Sal............
49.143SCOAYR::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthWed Feb 05 1992 16:5458
49.144AYOV10::MDONNELLYLeaning against the spinWed Feb 05 1992 17:0812
    
    
    This is indeed a revelation.  The town of Ayr has 0% unemployment?
    Looks like AUFC have as much football ability as its fans have taste.
    
    And the Motherwell players certainly made a fine JOB of dumping Ayr out
    of the cup.
    
    
    
    Michael
    
49.145SCOAYR::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthWed Feb 05 1992 17:3411
    Touchy touchy Mick. A wee bit of home town pride ? Nothing wrong with
    that.
    
    I somehow think it's neither the first nor last time that sort of thing
    will be heard at Fir Park.
     
    I did say it was tasteless.
    
    Just like your cheap jibes at Ayr United's footballing ability :-)
    
    Kev...
49.146All in good fun...MADBAS::DSMITHWed Feb 05 1992 21:2037
    
    
     Ayr were well(!) beaten last night due to, as Kev said, some bad
    defending in the first half. Motherwell were far quicker in the middle
    of the park and their movement upfront left Ayr's defence struggling at
    times. However, a big improvement in the second half saw Ayr score a
    very good goal and were a bit unfortunate on other occassions which the
    highlights on BBC didn't show.
    
     I find it hard to understand why Smith started the game last night. I
    think his last game was against Hamilton in the B&Q cup in November. He
    did nothing last night and must surely be on his way back south. Once
    he was replaced by Shaw, we looked a lot better going forward. Traynor
    was totally lost in midfield, Kennedy struggled throughout but gave
    100% as usual. Howard continues to improve at the back, his
    distribution is getting better every game.
    
     With regards to the "sick" chants made by SOME Ayr fans, these sort of
    chants are made at every football ground in the country, have been for
    years and no doubt will continue to be made for years to come. I
    personally found it rather amusing, but then again I don't take a game
    of football as seriously as others. Our team were getting gubbed, we
    were getting soaked, we had spent a few bob getting to the game, hey
    whats a bit of fun!!!!
    
     On another note, I had a very enjoyable journey home (yes even after a
    4-1 gubbing). This was due to West Sound reporting on the penalty shoot
    out at Bugme Park. Quote Nick Larkin, that well known Kille supporter,
    as Tommy Burns moved forward to take the crucial last penalty.
    
       "If there's one player you would put your mortgage on to score from
    a penalty it's Tommy Burns."
    
     Seconds later  "And the keepers saved it" 
    
  
         Danny...
49.147MADBAS::DREESthe black & white machineWed Feb 05 1992 22:5814
    
    Wither it's in bad taste or not I don't give a toss !
    
    The highlight of the night was the singing of :
    
    "what's it like to have nae job !"
    
    to the tune of "what's it like to follow shite"
    
    Excellent stuff !!
    
    Nearly as enjoyable as TB's excellently taken penalty !
    
    Derzo.
49.148take that !!!KURMA::CPATRICKSHOUT SHOUT let it all outWed Feb 05 1992 23:439
    re-1
    
    "the highlight of the night for me was the singing"
    
     Your obviously easily amused,but following a team like Ayr,you,ll
     be used to it..afterall you's get gubbed more times than you win,so
     you have to do somthing to amuse yourselves.
    
     Colin (SQF Jambo)
49.149MADBAS::DREESthe black & white machineThu Feb 06 1992 00:3414
                                           
    Who invited you into the Ayr topic sonny ?? Keeping away from the
    Rangers note after yer wee greetie moan about cheats are we.
    
    Q. What's Ayr and Hearts got in common ?
    
    A. They'll both win f*** all this season.
    
    At least one of the Edinburgh sides has the bottle to compete 
    against the old firm and actually win something.
    
    Derzo.
    
    
49.150Your not singing anymore shhhhhhhhhBHUNA::CPATRICKSHOUT SHOUT let it all outThu Feb 06 1992 01:0715
    
    RE-1
    
    Who invited you to call me sonny ??? SIR will do fine for now.
    
    As for my comments in the Rangers note !!!
    
     What the hell has it got to do with you..It's been that long since
    you's have played them,I'm amazed you even remember who they are....
    
    As for winning F*** all??? what round are you's in the cup ????
    at least we've progressed further than you's (AGAIN)
    after our 3-0 result over those Paisley Barstewards...
    
     SQF Jambo 
49.151Marroon BalloonMADBAS::DREESthe black & white machineThu Feb 06 1992 01:2917
    
    re -1
    
    You're some supporter SONNY !!
    
    Your team is playing in the Scottish Cup and your not even 
    there. Instead your spouting your usual nonsense in these
    notes.
    
    Now how does that wee tune go ?...
    
    "part time jambo.....you're just a part time jambo"
    
    Now run along back to topic 63 our I'll send you to bed without
    any supper !!
    
    Derzo
49.153MADBAS::DREESthe black & white machineThu Feb 06 1992 02:1317
    
    re: .150
    
    And I quote :
    
    "at least we've progressed further than you's (AGAIN)"
    
    Your talking nonsense again Sonny. Why don't you think before
    you rant. Last season did the jambos not make a first round cup 
    exit at the hands of the mighty Dunfermline ?! Whereas the black 
    and white machine went all the way to the quarters.
    
    Have a nice day now...
    
    Derzo. 
    
    
49.154Black & White machine ??? we've converted to colour in the big CITYPAKORA::CPATRICKSHOUT SHOUT let it all outThu Feb 06 1992 02:487
    
    we actually got knocked out by Airdrie...
    so why don't you get your facts right !!!
    as for you's managing to get further than us on a couple of
    occasions....
    
     WOW...that's somthing to put in the history books.
49.155I'll be back on MondayKURMA::CPATRICKSHOUT SHOUT let it all outThu Feb 06 1992 06:306
49.156SCOAYR::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthThu Feb 06 1992 13:0013
    Who cares whether you'll be back on Monday ? Nobody in Ayr is
    interested in reading your nonsense. Let's face it SQF Jambo, your
    entries into anybody elses notes are nothing short of juvenile and we
    can all do without you. Since the Rangers and Celtic notes went so
    quiet, you had to turn your venom on Ayr, lighten up buddy, your not
    funny. And as for your comments about jobs in SQF and Ayr.......
    
    
    I'm sure the site management in Ayr would be very interested to know
    what you base your comments on. 
    
    Kev...     
    
49.157AYOV10::MDONNELLYLeaning against the spinThu Feb 06 1992 17:2322
    >>     Wither it's in bad taste or not I don't give a toss !
    
    >>     The highlight of the night was the singing of :
    
    >>     "what's it like to have nae job !"
    
    >>      to the tune of "what's it like to follow shite"
    
    >>      Excellent stuff !!
    
    
    
    Understandable in the heat of the fray Derek, but was you brain in gear
    when you wrote the note?   Not very complementary to your mentality is
    it?
    
    BTW, is that the same tune as "won ****-all and never will"?
    
    
    
    Michael
    
49.158MADBAS::DREESthe black & white machineThu Feb 06 1992 23:2018
49.159MADBAS::DREESthe black & white machineFri Feb 07 1992 00:1618
    
    Mick,
         When you follow a team like Ayr you have to revert to such
    harmless little ditties to detract from the crap your watching on the
    pitch. I would have thought you would have understood this as Celtic
    have not been known for their overwhelming success in recent season.
    
    IMHO songs like "what's it like to have nae job" pale into
    insignificance when compared to the racist and bigoted songs sung
    by the old firm.
    
    Why not concentrate in getting your own house in order before
    you jump on your high horse at something that was basically
    just a bit of fun sung by the followers of a team that were getting
    humped at the time.
    
    Derzo.
    
49.160for JAMBO read DUMBOMADBAS::DREESthe black & white machineFri Feb 07 1992 01:428
49.161AYOV10::MDONNELLYLeaning against the spinFri Feb 07 1992 17:0917
    
    
    I couldn't agree more Derek - the bigoted stuff sang on the terracings
    of Parkhead & Ibrox is disgusting - that's one reason why I stopped
    going years ago.   So the only house I have to put in order is the one
    on Dalmellington Road!
    
    It's not a question of my high horse, but (as Kevin detected) your note
    touched a wee nerve as I do have family and friends who work(ed) in
    Ravenscraig.  So forgive me if I don't find the idea of people I know
    loosing their job and livelihood very amusing.
    
    
    Now let's get back to football.
    
    Michael
    
49.162MADBAS::DREESthe black & white machineFri Feb 07 1992 21:226
    
    Okay Mike, point noted.
    
    Back to football it is......
    
    Derzo.
49.164I don't need to explain my actionsBHUNA::CPATRICKSHOUT SHOUT let it all outSat Feb 08 1992 19:0016
    re.156
    
    Kev as far as I am concerned,It was a bit of banter I was having with
    Derzo.If any the comments I made offended YOU then I apologise. :-)
    
    As for your comments about me and the Celtic & Rangers topics,I don't
    really think it is any of your buisness,the comments I put in might
    seem juvenile to you but they were put in for a bit of light hearted
    humour.(obviously you don't have a sense of humour) ???
    
    re-my remarks about SQF and Ayr,again put in as a witty reply to the
    previous note,there was no malice intended so obviously you took it
    the wrong way.
    
    Colin (SQF Jambo)
    
49.165PAKORA::GMCDONALDC'mon The Honest MenMon Feb 10 1992 12:282
    
    
49.166BORRING.......KURMA::GMCDONALDC'mon The Honest MenMon Feb 10 1992 12:5224
    hi lads,
    
    
           Saturdays performance must rate as one of the worst this 
    season,against a team of no hopers who would truggle against
    Whitlets Vics..The only players who showed any imagination where
    Furphy ,Agnew and the very impresive McTurk..I dont realy know
    what more George Burley can do without money,but changes are needed.
    I would start with kicking Tommy Bryce and the goalless Tommy Walker
    back up the A77.Also I think Ally Grahams cent performances warrant
    a wee spell on the bench ,in order to give McTurk and , or Shaw a
    longer run inthe team...
    
    
    
    
          enough moans for one day Graeme....
    
    
        P.S   Is wee Lawrance Grace still out there ?? If so Iam begining
    to see what you mean about big Ally,A lamppost would have been more
    effective on Saturday....
    
    
49.167SCOAYR::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthMon Feb 10 1992 15:2916
    re .164
    
    Of course, Colin, it's me who is wrong. How silly of me not to see the
    side-splitting humour of all your notes. Perhaps I was just suffering
    from post-Fir Park depression....
    
    And then again, perhaps they are not particularly amusing...(which is
    why they keep getting set hidden)
    
    I do consider that I have a sense of humour, perhaps not on the same
    wavelength as yours, but when you have followed Ayr United around
    Scotland  for over 20 years, you tend to acquire one along the way.
    
    Now can we get back to football ?
    
    Kev...
49.168Thompson for AyrMASALA::GMCDONALDC'mon The Honest MenWed Feb 12 1992 16:3616
    HI GUYS,
       


           The latest in the long saga of rumours is that the gaffer is
    interested in Thompson of QOS in a player plus cash deal..
          I find it hard to believe because Aberdeen had an offer of 
    100,000 turned down.The only possible offer Ayr could make would be
    Walker,Evans,Bryce and Weir plus the usuall 10,000...
          I dont even  think an idiot like Mcleod  would accept an offer
    like that....
    
    
    
           see you all later  Graeme.
    
49.169SCOAYR::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthWed Feb 12 1992 17:208
    
    From what I read a few months back, Andy Thomson is being watched very
    closely by a number of clubs, including Liverpool and Aberdeen....
    
    ...Somehow i just can't see him in an Ayr strip :-)
    
    
    Kev... 
49.170part time fanKURMA::GMCDONALDC'mon The Honest MenWed Feb 12 1992 18:1516
    HI KEV,
    
    
         Nice to hear from someone from the old country, I was begining to 
    think you lot had lost your tonges,has Danny and Derzo left the country
    this week???
         Ona more serious note are you hading for Firhill on Saturday? If
    so could you do your usual report on Monday ,because being a part time
    supporter I wont make it on Saturday.......
    
    
    
    
    
                see you at the next home game ....SAL
    
49.171SCOAYR::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthWed Feb 12 1992 20:4711
    I'll be there Sal, a report on the events will follow. If you would
    like to know anything in particular ie who played,who didn't play, the
    names of the Ayr support......that sort of thing, let me know.
    
    BTW, the youth team are in the semis of the BP Youth Cup after a 3-1
    victory over Arbroath on Sunday. Some good prospects in there too.
    
    Derzo has nothing interesting to write , but I'm not sure what's wrong
    with Danny these days.
    
    Kev...
49.172I'm Back....for a wee while anyway!MADBAS::DSMITHThu Feb 13 1992 12:2212
    
    
     re last
    
     End of season blues in mid February I'm afraid. I'm working this 
    Saturday so I won't be paying a visit to sunny Firhill to see us
    getting beat by Thistle for the 4th time this season.
    
     We're away from home for the next 3 Saturday's; Thistle, Morton and
    Stirling. How does 1 point from 6 sound?
    
     Danny...
49.173SCOAYR::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthThu Feb 13 1992 12:419
    re last
     >>How does 1 point from 6 sound?
    
    
    
    
    Hopeful ?
    
    Kev..
49.174MADBAS::DREESthe black & white machineThu Feb 13 1992 12:5116
     
    Kev,
    
        that's not nice....it's hard for a mere mortal like myself
        when there's such a talented rovving reporter as yourself
        about. :-) 
    
        I'll just have to make do with continually gubbing you
        at TT !!
    
        Derzo.
    
    ps. Sal, why would any player with Thomson's ability want to 
        come to the worst full-time team in British football ?
        Methinks this ones from the "SALbeano land of make beleive". :-)
                              
49.175BRAVE FACEKURMA::GMCDONALDC'mon The Honest MenThu Feb 13 1992 12:5226
    Hi Dan,
    
    
          Oh ye of little faith......One point out of six ,I hope not,
    I think its high time we did Partick,because lets face it theyve
    done us three times this season against the run of play,the law of
    averages says something has got to give,as for Stirling the same law
    says their on for a real going over.Its the tie at Greenock that
    worries me I feel we have had a wee bit of luck against them and I
    feel its about to run out.So my bravest prediction is 3 or 4 out of 
    6 with the 3 looking the best bet ...
          You never know the pace of McTurk may give our styleless team
    a new dimention..heres hoping anyway....
    
    
    
    
         See ya Sal
    
    
    
    
    
    p.s     Any news of transfers in the Ayrshir Post????????
    
    
49.176MADBAS::DSMITHFri Feb 14 1992 15:1119
49.177SCOAYR::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthMon Feb 17 1992 15:0552
    
    Partick Thistle 4 -1 Ayr United
    
    Ayr's second succesive 4-1 away defeat. After looking very sharp for
    the first 30 mins Ayr fell apart when Shaw scored an opportunist goal
    from a tight angle. It was 2 against 5 when McGlashan found Shaw wide
    on the right and he cut into the box and fired a drive high into the
    top corner at the near post. Purdie really should have been better
    positioned. For most of the first half, Rae and Duffy kicked and shoved
    and held everything in an Ayr jersey, yet the only player booked was
    George for a typically tough challenge in the midfield. The linesman on
    our side missed 3 offsides in a row and almost cost Ayr a second goal
    when Irons shot past from an obviously offside position. 1-0 at
    half-time was a travesty and with Ayr still looking the likelier side,
    the second-half started in a similar fashion to the first. Ayr won a 
    free kick on the edge of the Partick box in 47 mins and Burley rolled
    it to Agnew whose shot was held at the second attempt by Murdoch.
    Partick scored in the next attack when Farningham beat Purdie, again at
    his near post with a low shot from 10 yards. 10 mins later it was 3-0
    when McGlashan forced a Rae knockdown home after a corner. Purdie made
    possibly the worst attempt i have EVER seen at saving a shot at this
    goal. He really has to go. How long can Burley go on playing this guy?
    Bryce and Shaw came on for McLean and Archibald and after good play by
    McTurk and Shaw, the ball broke to Bryce who shot home via the far post
    from about 18 yards. Partick had the final say when Irons hit a free
    kick over the wall and past the despairing dive of Purdie in 88 mins.
    McTurk almost scored in the last minute when after beating about 4 men
    his shot hit Law and rolled towards the goal line, only for Law to
    clear it off the line. The final whistle brought a torrent of boos and
    jeers, mainly directed at the directors, not the players.
    
    team
    
    Purdie   *    Lost 4 goals , enough said
    Burley   **   Passing still incredibly bad
    Agnew    **   A poor game by his own standards
    Traynor  **   Could not cope with pace of Shaw and McGlashan
    Auld     ***  Solid in the air, but slow on the ground
    Kennedy  **   Worst game for a while
    McLean   **   Never really got into the game. Subbed for Shaw
    McTurk   **** Different Class. Best Ayr player by far
    Graham   **   Tried (!) but nothing worked for him. Continually fouled
    Archibald***  Showed enough touches to prove he is still dangerous
    George   **   Early booking quietened him down
    
    Shaw     **   Looked dangerous when playing alongside Tucker
    Bryce    **   Took his goal well, did little else.
    
    approx 500 Ayr fans in a crowd of 2,600
    
    
    Kev...
49.178SCOAYR::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthMon Feb 17 1992 19:4614
    
    Forgot to mention that the latest rumour is that 2 Ayr players will be
    departing to an unknown first division club in exchange for a left
    winger.
    
    Any ideas who it could be ?
    
    Evans and Walker for Paul McDonald ??
    
    Purdie and Graham for Donald Dewar ??
    
    :-)
    
    Kev...
49.179SCOAYR::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthTue Feb 18 1992 12:5514
    
    Partick reserves at Somerset last night...guess the score
    
    Aye , 4-1 to Partick.
    
    I'm getting really sick of looking at them this season. McTurk scored a
    cracker for Ayr to equalise but the roof fell in with 15 mins to go and
    a penalty in the last minute made it 4-1. 
    
    It appears that the left winger may be Gordon Mair, ex Motherwell and
    currently languishing with Clydebank. No news on the players moving.
    Personally I'd rather we bought Paul Harvey, but what do I know ?
    
    Kev...
49.180????????PAKORA::GMCDONALDC'mon The Honest MenWed Feb 19 1992 01:3215
    HI KEV,
     
    
    
         Gordon Mair made his first appearance for Clydebank last season at
    Somerset where he played on the right wing , and made a fool of Joe 
    Love for most of the game ,including a lovely cross for Ken Eaddie
    to score the winner. I know he was only playing against a wee silly
    full back but did look the part never the less.Very fast,strong and
    supplies a very accurite cross,,but the question has to be asked ,if
    he cant get a game for Clydebank ,will he be any use for us????
    
    
    
            sal......
49.181.........KIRKTN::GMCDONALDC'mon The Honest MenWed Feb 26 1992 13:3513
    
    
    
    
    
     The latest news , fresh from the hotline is that D Purdie is seriously
    considering giving up football in favour of a career move with the firm
    he is with just now.So lok out for Utd signing anew keeper.
    
    
    
    
                 sal.....
49.182SCOAYR::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthWed Feb 26 1992 17:0314
    Oh Joy !!
    
    The bringer of glad tidings, Sal
    
    I hope it's true, I just can't take much more of him playing for Ayr.
    Super Cammy has restarted very light training and should be back for
    the beginning of the season. Stevie Itchiball will not be signing for
    Ayr as Burley has stated, "We must invest in younger talent"
    
    The reserves won 2-1 at QOS on Monday. Walker and Gardner scored.
    
    Anyone for Stirling ?
    
    Kev.....
49.183.......PAKORA::GMCDONALDC'mon The Honest MenWed Feb 26 1992 17:3217
    Hi Kev,
    
    
          Glad to hear that Archiebald is on his way..Clubcall said 
    that Evans has been freed and is having talks with Clydebank ,I
    would of thought Stevie would have been worth around 30K..
          I also heard that the fulltime staff was being cut to about 13
    or 14 ,do you know the current amount of fulltimers at Ayr ? and if so 
    how many would that make getting the boot.
            No I wont be at Stirling, but I expect to see full details 
    in here as usual on Monday morning...
    
    
    
    
    
    Sal................... 
49.184ClearootthekrapSCOAYR::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthWed Feb 26 1992 18:1428
    I think the following are full time (correct me if I'm wrong)
    
    Duncan
    Burley
    Agnew
    Furphy
    Howard
    Kennedy
    McLean
    Gardner
    Bryce    **
    Walker   **
    Graham
    Weir
    Smith    **
    Vincent  **
    Hood
    Evans    ** (already going)
    Traynor
    George
    Fraser
    
    I make that 19 less 5 (**) = 14
    
    Any thoughts ?
    
    Kev...
    
49.185......KURMA::GMCDONALDC'mon The Honest MenWed Feb 26 1992 18:4619
    rep 184
      
    
         I agree with your 5 mugs ,but if the pool is to be strenghtend
    by the usual close season of say 3 or 4 new signings ,then 3 or 4
    other players have got to go .Any thougts who they might be??
         At a wild guess,I would say that these are all possible
    Agnew sold for what ever he can get and replaced by "him fae Clyde"
    Graham to be sold in the same way and replaced by McTurk and Shaw
    both also partimers ,Ialso think that Furphy could also face the 
    axe to raise more cash ,that would leave a central defensive perm.
    from Howard,Hood,Auld or Burley ,but the more Ithink of it Auld will be
    of also ...Doesnt leave alot does it????
       Oh that was a good wee moan.....
    
    
    
         Sal
    
49.186Blame it on the crazy gang......MADBAS::DSMITHWed Feb 26 1992 21:4342
    
    
     Hot off the press, well the Ayrshire Post to be exact.
    
     Ayr have just announced a loss of 206k for the past year, putting the
    club 100k in debt. Despite these losses, Ayr will continue as a
    full-time club, albeit on a smaller scale, as the premier league is
    still their aim.
    
     Burley, currently trying to balance the books has admitted that he's
    having to give players away as no teams are prepared to buy the
    misfits. Interestingly, since Burley arrived at Somerset he has given
    free transfer to the following full time players.
    
     1. Willie Cunningham to Kilwinning Rangers 
     2. Chris Ellis to Kilwinning Rangers
     3. Peter Conlan to Glenafton Juniors
     4. Joe Love to Stranraer
     5. David Smyth to QOS
     6. Alan Gilliespie to QOS
    
     As can be seen, these players aren't even good enough for part-time
    first division sides. Ally McLeod and the crazy gang have left Burley
    with a very hard job to get the club back on an even-keel.
    
     Also given frees recently are Steve Vincent and the future Scotland
    captain, Robert Brown. Stranraer offered cash for Evans earlier in the
    season. This was rejected by Ayr. He is now on a free and although
    Dumbarton and Clydebank have offered him terms, he seems to be quite
    willing to see out his full-time contract in the reserves.
    
     Mike Smith is also on the transfer list, but Burley hopes to get some 
    cash for him.
    
     Onto Saturday's game, Duncan George is out through suspension and also
    misses the Morton game next midweek. Lee Gardner is expected to return.
    Ayr have to win this game to maintain 7th spot and put a bit of space
    between themselves and Stirling who are only 2 points behind in 8th
    place.
    
    
     Danny... 
49.187GLOOM AND DOOMKURMA::GMCDONALDC'mon The Honest MenThu Feb 27 1992 12:1027
    Hi Dan,
    
    
          Bad news you bring today, but is anyone realy surprised? As we
    all know ,with an investment of say 150K on three premier class players
    we would have been thrown into the  promotion race, this would have
    added about 3000 to our home gates ,this  would give an extra 
    220K to 260K in revenue to the club thus paying back the 150K
    investment and leaving around 100K to wipe out the seasons debt .
    Who knows promotion might just have been achieved ,or at worst a solid
    platform would have been built for the following season where more
    investment of the same level would surely done the trick, St Johnstone 
    is the example that spring to mind.
            Not our board though ,their main objective is to conn the fans
    into thinking they are ambitious , while season by season you will
    actually see the the return of Ayr to partime football ,where they
    would still have been had David Murray notrocked the boat...
            The future is in the hands of the support ,who have seen
    nothing but 1st and 2nd div football for the last 15 years..and seen
    their favourites sink from giving the Rangers and Celtics a good run
    for their money to competing with Stirling and Clydebank in terms of 
    stature,and often being out bided in the transfer market by such
    minnows.....Sad days indead........
    
    
         GMcD...
       
49.189who's gonna take the bait 1st ???PAKORA::CPATRICKSHOUT SHOUT let it all outSat Feb 29 1992 14:4210
    awright troops (and Kev)
    
    away to the mighty Albion today ??? If any of you's are going for the
    train to the game,remember It's Anfield in Stirling and not Liverpool.
    Then again the amount of fans you's take to an away game you's are just
    as well to stick to your tandem.
    
    
    
    SQF Jambo
49.190Your just big-game supporters....MADBAS::DSMITHMon Mar 02 1992 12:5516
    
    
     re last
    
      I see the loyal Jambo supporters were leaving early again on Saturday
     long before the end of the game with Celtic. This isn't the first time
     this has happened this season. A couple of defeats and the part-timers
     pack it in.
    
     Danny...
    
    
     ps at least we can find our way to most grounds in Scottish football!!
    After all, we've been there in the last few years!!
    
    
49.191Phew!!SCOAYR::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthTue Mar 03 1992 14:0065
    Stirling Albion 1 - 2 Ayr United
    
    Ayr's last ever game on the plastic pitch brought their first away win
    since November and Albion's first home defeat since October 26th. Ayr
    started with the following line-up;
    Purdie,Kennedy,Agnew,Furphy,Howard,McLean,Gardner,Bryce,Graham,Traynor
    and McTurk. Subs, Walker and Shaw. Kicking into a strong wind in the
    first half, Ayr found it difficult and in only 6 minutes the first
    corner of the match was pushed against the face of the bar by Purdie
    and then cleared. The second corner brought the opening goal when Moore
    met it and sent the ball past Purdie in 13 mins. Ayr were frequently in
    trouble and when Furphy limped off after an assault by Reilly, the task
    looked even more difficult. Traynor moved to sweeper and Walker came on
    to play up front. The second half was a complete change and it was Ayr
    who did all the pressing and Albion were pushed back for long spells.
    A long pass from Traynor found McTurk unmarked on the half-way line and
    he ran in unchallenged on McGeown. Tucker's weak shot hit the keeper's
    legs but the fast surface allowed the ball to run on into the net. Lee
    Gardner was having a very good game playing wide on the right and Paul
    McLean was running the midfield on his own. In 66 minutes Walker scored
    perhaps his best ever goal for Ayr when, after great work by Gardner,
    McLean and Graham, he rifled a  shot across McGeown and into the far
    corner from about 16 yards. Walker had to go off injured after twisting
    his knee and Shaggy came on, going close with his first attempt. The
    game was won by now and some careful defending ensured the points came
    to Ayr. Howard was booked in the last minute along with Vinnie Moore
    after an off-the-ball incident which ended with Moore lying on the
    pitch.  
    Marks for Merit  
    
    Purdie   **    Poor at crosses
    Kennedy  ***   Bad first half
    Agnew    ***   Off the boil recently
    Furphy   **    Subbed after 30 mins
    Howard   ****  One of his best games
    McLean   ****   "   "  "    "    "
    Gardner  ****   "   "  "    "    "
    Bryce    **    Looked lost
    Graham   **    Did little
    Traynor  ***   Lost in midfield,but deputised well for Furphy
    McTurk   ***   Quiet game, but first goal for the club
    
    Walker   ***   Superb Goal
    Shaw     **    No time to shine
    
    Last night the reserves defeated Stranraer at Somerset 2-0 with goals
    from Smith and a McVie free-kick. Stranraer included McCann,Love,Sloan
    and Evans, all ex-Ayr and Walker,Cook,Geraghty ex-Killie. Ayr fielded
    7 players aged 17 and also included Norman Montgomery, Glenafton's 33
    goal striker who had a great match. Derek Allan was outstanding in
    defence and is one to watch for the future. Also look out for Micheal
    Robertson getting a run for the first team before the end of the
    season, he is a brilliant keeper and will surely make it in the big
    time.
    
    Kev...
    
    p.s. It's a good job you're not on "A Question of Sport" Colin,
    Liverpool play at Anfield but Stirling play at Annfield.
    
    Spot the difference ?
    
    Spot the Loony ?
    
    :-)  
49.192info please..KIRKTN::GMCDONALDC'mon The Honest MenWed Mar 04 1992 01:3612
    Hi Kev ,
    
    
           Is this Graeme McVie any good ? Will he make the first team next
    season with a view to pushing Agnew up to Bryce"s position,in left 
    midfield?
           Also could you give more info on this "Monty" fellow from the 
    Glens? i.e size,pace,skill and all tht stuff.
    
    Graeme....
     
    
49.193KIRKTN::CPATRICKSHOUT SHOUT let it all outWed Mar 04 1992 08:2618
    
    awright troops
    
    re.190
     
    Danny you might know the way to 1st division grounds but unless you've
    got a very good memory I doubt very much you'll remember the way to the
    Premier league grounds. :-)
    
    re.191
    
    Kev you say at the bottom of your letter,'spot the loony' ???
    I can't remember ever seeing you !!!!  :-)
    
    SQF Jambo
    
    P.s
    Good match report Kev.
49.194First right, second left...MADBAS::DSMITHWed Mar 04 1992 13:3225
    
    
     re .193
    
      Well Mr. Patrick, your wrong yet again. 
    
     Having followed Ayr Utd for the best part of 18 years, I have in fact
    visited every Premier League ground in Scotland on several occasions.
    I have also visited most other senior grounds in Scotland, the
    exceptions being Forfar, Stenhousemuir and Berwick. I even had the
    misfortune of taking several trips through to Edinburgh and getting
    totally drenched standing on the uncovered terracing at Tynecastle.
    What a dump!!!!
    
     Being such a fine and friendly crowd in this note, we will be more
    than happy to give you directions to football grounds outside
    Edinburgh. We will even let you know the prices of entry to these
    grounds. Please do not feel in any way embarressed to ask but being a
    part-time supporter, you probably need as much help as you can get.
    
     :-) :-) :-)
    
     Danny...
    
    ps looks like the Jambos will be winning as much as Ayr this season.
49.195Bring On The Boys !!SCOAYR::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthWed Mar 04 1992 13:4321
    re 192
    
    Graeme McVie is settling into the club after a couple of shaky games to
    begin with. He is now captain of the reserves, playing at left-back but
    is equally at home in midfield, where I think he may get a run before
    the end of the season. He could probably take Bryce's place better than
    Agnew and I'd rather see Garry stay where he is most at home. 
    
    On the subject of Monty;
    
    Size ?  Well, his nickname is "Wee Barrel" what does that tell you.
    Pace ?  None that I saw.
    Skill ? That's a different story. Held the ball well, tricky.
    
    	All in all, I think he'd benefit from some serious training and
    getting fit before a real decision could be made. Burley has stated
    that he will be tried again. On a good note, Alan McTurk's employer
    has agreed to let him turn full-time and guarantee his job should it
    not work out. Watch this space for a contract from the Boss.....
    
    Kev...
49.196Personally, I'm not swallowing that one !!SCOAYR::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthWed Mar 04 1992 19:4215
    
    
    I find this very suspicious,
    
    The game tonight has been postponed due to a waterlogged pitch.
    
    Given the fact that Morton were not too impressed at playing the game
    at all,it's even more suspicious.
    Reports are "flooding" in that the whole first team squad at Greenock
    were spotted hoseing the surface. These will no doubt be denied in the
    Cappilowe Bugle. 
    
    It's hardly even been raining !
    
    Kev...  
49.197In your Somerset SLUMSKIRKTN::CPATRICKSHOUT SHOUT let it all outWed Mar 04 1992 23:3022
    RE.194
    
    Well Mr Smith (very common name)
    
    As for being a part time supporter,there is little more I can do seeing
    as how I work 4 days on 4 off and inevitably (sp) I work weekends.
    
    I too have been to most grounds in Scotland,including Berwick  :-)
    in the old days when the Jambo's were in the 1st division.
    
    re- your remark about Tynecastle being a dump,I do agree it is'nt the
    best stadium in Scotland,but I would'nt exactly say Somerset Park
    was one of the best,and I hope if you ever get a chance to return to
    Tynecastle before we move it pours of rain all day and you get soaked
    again.
    
    SQF Jambo...
    
    P.S.
    Just incase your wondering why I'm not at the game tonight,I'm actually
    in training Sal (who does'nt hate Jambo's as much as you)
    
49.198???????KIRKTN::GMCDONALDC'mon The Honest MenWed Mar 04 1992 23:3014
    KEV,
    
       Whats this Ive been hearing about a all seated Somerset for about 
    2 million pounds can you update...
       Also when and where do the under 18 team play their BP semi final
    and who is it against??
       Is Duncan George free from suspention for the Hamilton game and if
    not when will he be ready to play again???
    
    
    
    
        GMcD....
    
49.199MADBAS::DREESthe black & white machineThu Mar 05 1992 00:0518
    
    Ah...the SQF jambo returneth to the Ayr notes.
    
    Nice to have you back sonny. We've missed your rants.
    
    It always brightens up our dreary lives reading one of your crap
    notes. Long may you remain illiterate.
    
    Now that the bubble's burst it shouldn't take Celtic long to take 2nd
    spot from you.
    
    Another barren season for the old farts....sorry jam tarts.
    
    Del. 
        
    
    
                     
49.201Have a nice day !!! Sal will but tou a pint next time he sees youKIRKTN::CPATRICKSHOUT SHOUT let it all outThu Mar 05 1992 00:2712
     now now Del boy,no need to be bitchy.....
    
     I only write in this dreary topic to keep myself occupied,and too read
     your p*ss poor replies........Oh and too keep Sal amused as well..
    
    
     SQF Jambo
    
     
    
     
     
49.202MADBAS::DREESthe black & white machineThu Mar 05 1992 00:466
49.203KURMA::CPATRICKSHOUT SHOUT let it all outThu Mar 05 1992 00:536
    re-1
    
    maybe Sal does need to be amused,but he says the guys from the East
    coast are a lot more friendlier than those he left in the West :-)
    
     only bitchin
49.204MADBAS::DREESthe black & white machineThu Mar 05 1992 01:286
    
    More friendlier eh....wink wink nudge nudge say no more !
    
    Bit of a (rent) boy are we Colin. :-)
    
    Del. 
49.206MADBAS::DREESthe black & white machineThu Mar 05 1992 02:538
    
    Colin,
    
       the wee smiley face after the sentence in my last note meant it
       was said tongue in cheek. No offence was meant....don't take things
       so seriously. :-)
    
       Del.
49.207SCOAYR::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthThu Mar 05 1992 13:0125
49.208You've got to laugh..:-) :-) :-) :-)MADBAS::DSMITHThu Mar 05 1992 13:1617
    
    
    re .197
    
     I don't believe it, Mr. Patrick (very weird name) has actually come
    up with a true statement. Yes indeed, I have a very common surname.
    How long did it take you to find that out? Word on the street is that
    you spent several hours going through a phone directory to find out.
    
     Danny...
    
    ps I would rather see Hearts win the Premier League than Rangers or
    Celtic.
    
    pps My boss is a Hearts fan, I've got to say that !!!! :-)
    
    ppps  Lighten up Mr. Patrick, it's only a bit of fun.
49.209Cum on the Jambo'sBHUNA::CPATRICKSHOUT SHOUT let it all outThu Mar 05 1992 23:2612
    
    Danny I know it it's only fun,.......
    
    Kev,my supervisor probably would'nt mind me taken every other Saturday
    off,but I don't think my wife would be happy when I could'nt go on
    holiday this year as I'd used them all to se the jam-tarts.....
    
    as for dedication,before I started in here I went to almost all the
    Jambo's games,home and away for the past 14 years and still try to go
    when I can. so I still regard myself as a SUPPORTER and not a part timer.
    
    SQF Jambo 
49.210MADBAS::DREESthe black & white machineFri Mar 06 1992 00:0813
    
    Sal,
        How's the 12 hour shift going ?  
    
        Remember keep that bunny suit secure and watch your back.
    
        You never know what kind of depraved creature might be lurking
        in the shadows......that reminds me..
    
        How you doin' Colin ? :-)
    
        Del
          
49.211do you ever do any work ???KIRKTN::CPATRICKPart Time Jambo!Fri Mar 06 1992 00:246
    re-1
    
    hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
    
     you crack me up Del......now watch you don't over tax that 1 brain
    cell of yours  :-)
49.212???????PAKORA::GMCDONALDC'mon The Honest MenFri Mar 06 1992 03:0620
    Del,
    
      Its not so much tonights shift that bothers me,but on Saturday I"m
    on nights as well, so I"ll miss the Hamilton game ...
       Although I"ll probably get up an hour early and listen to it on the
    radio..
       Can"t wait to stuff that excuse for a team,stadium ,strip and all
    the usual stuff,mob.
      Its high time we done them,but I feel achange of tactics is needed
    because they seem to cope with the Ally Graham "or lack of it " threat
    very easily...
           Any veiws on team selection , result , I'll stick my neck out
    "again" and go for 2-1 to the Whites......
    
    
       GMcD..
    
    
    
    P.S when do we play Morton??????
49.213MADBAS::DREESthe black & white machineFri Mar 06 1992 22:1514
    
    Sal,
        The BIG question is...do we really want to beat Hamilton ???
    
        Ok we owe them for 4 defeats already this season but if we win
        on Saturday we'll be doing the maggots a favour. We are well out
        the promotion race and well clear of relegation so I'll not be
        too unhappy if we loose....anything to keep the maggots in the 
        1st Div where they belong. Just think...next season we can watch
        Fleeting waste another million !!!
     
        Del.  
    
        
49.214:-)KIRKTN::GMCDONALDI am so dizzyFri Mar 06 1992 23:4615
    Del,
    
    
      Dont worry about the maggots ,because their capable of loosing
    lots more games before the end of the season,including one at 
    Somerset in March , so us giving Hamilton the points is not really
    on .Remember that cheat McCluskey and his grinning fat face every time
    they beat us ,that should be insetive enough for us to give them
    a gubbing to remember ."heres hoping anyway".....
    
    
    
    
    GMcD....
    
49.215point notedMADBAS::DREESthe black & white machineFri Mar 06 1992 23:582
    
    VP Sal
49.216???????KURMA::GMCDONALDJam Tarts are GreatSat Mar 07 1992 07:5526
    Boys,
    
    
    
       MY prediction for todays line up.......
    
                                   Purdie
       
    Burley               Howard        Traynor              Agnew
    
    Gardner              Kennedy       McLean              Bryce
    
                  Graham                       McTurk
    
           
    
                  subs   Shaw      Smith
    
    
    
    
    
    I'm sure Kev might correct me 'when I'm wrong...
    
    
       cheers Graeme.....     
49.217Whites walk tall...KIRKTN::GMCDONALDJam Tarts are GreatSun Mar 08 1992 00:5419
    Hi Del,
    
          AYR UNITED  2  HAMILTON  0
           Graham (2)
    
    
               Tell me Del ,it really must be about humble pie time for
    you.Not only is the big man club top scorer with a impresive 15 strikes
    he must be up in the top 5 scorers in the league.
              Anyway sounds like a great performance, update please . 
              I'll probably be available for the Morton game so keep in
    touch about that also the Killie game is looking very possible to,so
    with abit of luck it will be beers and bigotry in the Horseshoe as
    usuall,12am sound good to you?????
             cheers GMcD...
    
    
    
     
49.218At last, a win...MADBAS::DSMITHMon Mar 09 1992 14:2534
    
    
     A good solid performance against our bogey team saw us defeating
    Hamilton for the first time in 10 years at home and the first time home
    or away for a couple of seasons. Hamilton were utter crap (but we knew
    that anyway), only threatened once when scissorhands had a nightmare
    with a cross ball which resulted in a header against the bar.
    
     Super Ally's first was a bit strange. A cross from the left from Agnew
    ended up being toe-poked into the net from about 5 yards by the big
    man. Don't know what the defence were trying to do but the big chap
    enjoyed his goal. His second was a bit of a belter. Corner from Agnew
    turned back across the goal by Traynor for Ally to net with a powerful
    diving header.
    
     Good performances from Howard, Traynor, McLean and Graham.
    
    team as follows
    
                               Purdie
    
         Agnew         Howard           Traynor         Kennedy 
    
          Bryce        McLean       Gardner      McTurk
    
                    Graham           Walker
    
    subs  Shaw (replaced McTurk)  Hood.
    
    Defence was pretty solid all game, Gardner and McTurk were empty
    jersey's.
    
     Danny...
                        
49.219the moral is don't leave yourself logged inAYOV18::BMURRAYJam Tarts are CrapWed Mar 11 1992 16:517
    Sal,
         Either you have cracked up due to the pressure of work at SQF or
    the phantom personal name changer (probabley SQF Jambo) has attacked
    you. Nice to see you're still following the boys
    
     Regards,
             Billy.
49.220See you there ?SCOAYR::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthWed Mar 11 1992 17:0715
    Sal,
    	The U-18 team will play the semi-final of the BP Cup at Somerset on
    Sunday with a 2pm ko. Admission is FREE !  Monday nights reserve game
    at Baghdad was postponed as the best playing surface in Scotland was
    unplayable again. They play tomorrow at Love St and are at home to
    Rangers on Monday. They are 5th in the league at the moment.
    
    Duncan George will return for Saturday but Nigel Howard is suspended.
    It will need a good display to beat a Raith team which scored 5 against
    Montrose last week. I'll go for a 1-1 draw with Walker scoring.
    
    Kev...
    
    p.s. Any chance you might make the "long" journey from SQF ??
    
49.221??????MASALA::GMCDONALDJam Tarts are GreatThu Mar 12 1992 13:2717
    Hi Kev,
    
    
          Sorry Kev the Raith game is a none starter due to me being on
    dayshift that day ...Im more hopefull of getting a day of for the
    Killie game though.. Do we play Morton next Wed. if so I think I could
    make that match.. 
          Tommmy Walker scoreing at Starks ,you must be jokeing ......
    Big Al will have Dennis in his pocket again , but I think the defense
    will be streched without big Howard ,and I think we will hang on for
    a point ,Ill go for 1-1 or 2-2..
                              
          re 219..Yes I left my account switched on ,the result was the SQF
    jambo strikes again...Kev tell me how to get it of!!!!!
    
    
          Cheers Graeme...
49.222SCOAYR::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthThu Mar 12 1992 15:3522
    
    Furphy should return on Saturday and Traynor will remain in defence so
    I don't think we'll miss Nige too much. I still say 1-1 and Walker to
    score. I think we play Morton on Tuesday but I'm not sure. The game
    will probably be off as it has rained continuously for 4 days down here
    and usually that means Scapa-flow will be under 2 feet of water.
    
    To get rid of that awful personal name , do the following;
    
    Notes> MODIFY PROFILE/PERSONAL_NAME="C'mon The Honest Men"
    
    or some other witty comment.
    
    BTW Big Steep and the rest of us have noticed how bad your spelling has
    become since you moved East. Is this due to not having Lawrence to
    proof-read your replies or have you been reading the DMURRAY book of 
    "Spelling Howlers"  ???
    
    I think we should be told.
    
    Kev...
    
49.223Dunce...PAKORA::GMCDONALDJam Tarts are GreatThu Mar 12 1992 15:559
    Kev,
    
    
       This terrible spelling comes from 7years at Forehill Primary,
    then 4 more at Belmont Acad.Also yes I could do with LG checking
    my spelling..Anyway you know what I mean!!!!!!
    
    
    Graeme...
49.224We're all going to HAMPDENKIRKTN::CPATRICKSHOUT SHOUT LET IT ALL OUTThu Mar 12 1992 20:088
    RE-1
    
    Graeme I told you I'll check your spelling for you if your having
    difficulty's.....
    
    Sal has told me that I'm getting popular in Ayr,so I propose to get
    photo's taken and for a small fee I'll even autograph them and you can
    sell them in the @SQF Jambo's fan club at Ayr......
49.225aufcMASALA::GMCDONALDUNITEDThu Mar 12 1992 20:2711
    Kev,
    
    
      Here's a news flash for you Kev, you will probably know this allready
    ,but I'll spit it out anyway.Ihave it on good athority that Burley has
    been watching a Cowdenbeath striker by the name of Buckley .This is not
    the same one that used to play with Partick last year is it?????
          Info please Kev,age previous clubs and goals.......
    
    Graeme
    
49.226Hello face-ache...:-)MADBAS::DSMITHFri Mar 13 1992 13:3115
    
    
     re .224
    
      We've got news for you Mr. Patrick (very uncommon name). 
    
    There is already a photo of you in use in our S&S club. It appeared in
    an old AYRLINES magazine and was immediately used for darts practice.
    Such was the demand to knock more holes into your gub, the picture was
    destroyed in a matter of days.
    
     Danny...
    
    ps Will you be another one of the big-game supporters at Hampden for
    the cup semi??
49.228There'll be no Gers in the FinalKURMA::CPATRICKDoes the name Quazimodo ring a bellFri Mar 13 1992 18:449
    Hey Danny I beleive the women at Ayr have enlarged the picture of me
    from ayrlines and stuck them on there ceilings  :-)
    
    As for the trip to Hampden,yes I will be there,but as I have already
    said before and hopfully this will be the last time,I do go when
    possible and I'm not working.....
    
    
    SQF Jambo
49.229EASYYYYYYYKIRKTN::GMCDONALDUNITEDSun Mar 15 1992 11:3630
    Hi Lads,
    
    
    
       RAITH ROVS    2   AYR UNITED    4
    
    Neison  (2)           Graham  (3)
                          Walker
    
    
    
                     PURDIE          *****
                     KENEDY          ***
                     AGNEW           ***
                     McVIE           ****
                     TRAYNOR         ***
                     McLEAN          ***
                     GARDNER         *
                     BRYCE           **
                     GRAHAM          *****
                     WALKER          ****
                     SHAW            **
    
    
    
                 Subs not used   Hood McTURK.....
    
    
    Graeme..
    
49.230KIRKTN::GMCDONALDUNITEDMon Mar 16 1992 11:5626
    Boys,
    
        After Ayr's great performance in Kirkaldy Burley has a few problems 
    i.e who to play , does he bring in Howard or Furphy to the defence that 
    played so well at Raith or does he alter the some times shakey midfield
    by bringing back George ..
        Any ideas ???
    
    
       My team would be.....Purdie....out standing at Raith..
                            Kenedy
                            Agnew
                            McVie....did very well at Raith..
                            Howard...MOM against Accies....
                            McLean...playing his best stuff for a while 
                            George...hates Killie
                            Bryce....Ihate him but Burley doesny..
                            Super Al...DRees EAT YOUR WORDS AND HUMBLE PIE
                            Walker.. Okay I can be wrong to
                            Shaw....His luck is slowly changeing..
    
                           Subs McTurk....?????
                                Traynor...Its him or McVie to play/sub
    
    
    GRAEME... COME ON YE AYR........:-)..
49.231SCOAYR::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthMon Mar 16 1992 13:0432
    The Under-18 team have made it to the BP Youth Cup final after a 5-3
    victory on penalties against Partick yesterday. It finished 0-0 after
    90 minutes but Ayr took the lead with 7 minutes to go of extra time 
    when Billy Woods cracked in a 20 yard shot. 
    Partick equalised with 2 minutes left after slackness in defence. 
    Robertson saved Partick's 4th penalty and Woods again was the man to 
    send Ayr into the final when he slotted home Ayr's 5th.
    
    This chap Buckley has had more clubs than Jack Nicklaus and is surely
    near the end of his career. He's 32 now , a dwarf and only good for the
    likes of Cowdenbeath's "Blue Brazil" He's scored a few goals mind you.
    
    The Clydebank left-winger we were meant to sign was Pat Kelly , but he
    will not now be coming. Burley watched him last week at Kilbowie
    against Thistle and as he was subbed early in the second half, he
    pulled off his jersey and flung it at Steedman in the dugout. Burley
    does not want him now , and neither do the 'bankies.
    
    Duncan George may not be fit for Saturday as he was injured on Thursday
    might at Love St in the 3-1 defeat. Howard should return, but McVie and
    Traynor played so well on Saturday, I'd find it hard to drop any of
    them. BTW Derzo, had you been at Kirkcaldy on Saturday, you might even
    have been impressed by Dobbin. 3 superb goals for his first hat-trick
    in Ayr colours and he's now scored more this season than his previous
    best season. Ayr looked dangerous whenever they moved upfield and the
    only surprise was they only scored 4. Purdie had two magnificent saves
    at very important points and generally looked good. The whole team
    appear to be playing without any pressure and really look as if they
    are enjoying their football.. Morton tomorrow and I think the Super U's
    can continue their good form with 2-1 victory.
    
    Kev...
49.232for humble read hairyMADBAS::DREESthe black & white machineMon Mar 16 1992 13:1331
    
    Hello Chaps,
                I'm just back from Manchester and it's nice to see the boys
    come back to a bit of form. 3 wins on the trot against tough opposition
    is certainly a confidence booster. 
    
    While I was in Manchester I went to the Rumbelows Cup Semi against 
    Middlesboro'. Although the game had a capacity crowd, tremendous 
    atmosphere and great goals...it wasn't like the real thing !!! :-) :-)
    
    After Saturday's great result against Raith it would be easy to get
    carried away and start to predict victories against Morton and Killie.
    I'm not going to do that as Ayr have let us down more times than I care
    to remember. Until Purdie is replaced I'm never going to predict an Ayr
    victory again.
    
    Sal, for humble read hairy...I don't mind eating a piece of that !!
    
    Re : Big Ally 
    
    If he stopped his continual moaning and realised he ain't Marco Van 
    Basten I'm sure his scoring rate would be far higher. It's his lack
    of work rate that keeps him from being the player he could be....and
    that's what pisses me off. For his size and weight he should be the
    big Arnie of the 1st Division instead of the Julian Clary !!!!!
    
    5 from 2 games is an impressive strike rate and long may it continue.
    If he can bang in another 5 in the next 2 games I'll be forced to have
    a bite at that hairy...sorry humble pie !!
    
    Del 
49.233stripes in trouble..KIRKTN::GMCDONALDUNITEDMon Mar 16 1992 14:3022
    Kev,
    
    
        When and where is the final to be played?? Sounds like a great
    performance by the pups,maybe there is some real talent among them.
        Two finals in one season ,I don't know if I can take much more!!!
    
    
    Derek,
        
    
        If you had seen big Ally's fist on Sat."the exact same as his
    strike against Forfar except on the full volley and from about 30yds
    outand on the shy line " you would have eaten hairy , humble and
    Greggs.You might even have paid for the latter!!!!!  :-)
        Will you be in the Hosrse on Sat. at about 12am, same goes for Dan
    ???
    
    
    
    Graeme..      SATURDAY WILL BE EASSSSSSSSYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY     :-)
    
49.234Tone it down Sal...:-)MADBAS::DSMITHMon Mar 16 1992 14:4632
    
    
     Sal,
    
        Your really setting yourself up for a right slagging from the filth
      if we don't do them on Saturday. 
    
        We've certainly improved over the last few weeks, hopefully it
    continues for the next 2 games at least. It will be interesting to see
    Burley's selection if Furphy and George are fit and Howard is free from
    suspension. My choice to play Killie as follows :
    
                                Purdie
    
       Traynor        Furphy           Howard         Agnew
    
       Bryce          Kennedy          George         McLean
    
                   Superman           Walker
    
     subs from Shaw McTurk Hood and Gardner.
    
      A win tomorrow at Crapillow will set up a real cracker against
    Killie on Saturday. They'll bring a big support as usual. Let's hope
    they go home unhappy.
    
      Danny
    
    ps According to one of the maggots here, the biggest cheer at Rugby
    Park on saturday was on hearing the half-time from Kircaldy !!!
    
    
49.235MADBAS::DREESthe black & white machineMon Mar 16 1992 14:5515
    
    Sal,
    
        the Horse at 12 is a definate.......       
    
        Somehow I don't think it will be as easy as you suggest.
        If my memory serves me correctly you were supremely confident the
        last time the maggots came to Somerset. Can't quite remember the
        score but I don't think we won !!
    
        It would certainly be nice to end their season. Nice being a bit of
        an understatement !!!!
    
        Del.
            
49.236Graham Plays for new ContractAYOU48::JHILLMon Mar 16 1992 17:0216
    
    Well lads after saturdays tremendous result even I've been moved to
    enter a wee note in praise of Super Ally :-). As was said in a previous
    note if he got on with playing instead of moaning he'd be a far better
    player. However, the big talking point from saturday must be Purdie
    meriting 5 stars on Sals points for prizes board !
    
    Just for the record we are now mathematical safe from relegation after 
    Saturdays two points. The question is is there any of us old enough to
    remember the last time we could enjoy the last 5 home games ? :-)
    
    
    
    Steep
    
     
49.237SCOAYR::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthMon Mar 16 1992 17:1620
    Good grief ! 
    
    Steep comes out of semi-retirement ! What next ?
    
    Sal, I don't know where or when the Final will be played, I'll let you
    know when I find out, but it will be against Hibs or Dundee United.
    
    One of the best things about Saturday was the support from the fans.
    Although there was not very many of us there, they gave the team lots
    of encouragement and were almost invading the pitch behind the goal
    when Ally blasted the 4th in off the underside of the bar. I'm hoping
    the fans will come out in force for the last 5 home games and really
    get behind the team. For the first time in about 4 months , Burley has
    problems about selection because he has too many players, it's usually
    the other way round. That means competition for places and the players
    are trying harder. We can still have a big say in who goes up, it won't
    be us obviously, but we can spoil a few parties between now and May.
    Let's start with Killie on Saturday....
    
    Kev...
49.238SCOAYR::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthTue Mar 17 1992 12:4612
    Ayr reserves lost 3-0 at home last night to Rangers. The teams were as 
    follows.
    AYR: Robertson,Burley,Vincent,Furphy,Hood,Kennedy,Martin,Brown,Trialist
    	 Smith,McTurk
    GERS:McKellar,Murray,Vinnicombe,?,Presley,Kuznetsov,Lee Robertson,Sandy
         Robertson,Rideout,Durrant,Spencer.
    
    Furphy came off early in the second half , and might play tonight. Zico
    and McTurk played the full match so may not be in the squad. I hear
    there is a hosepipe ban in Greenock, so the game might be on tonight.
    
    Kev...
49.239SCUMS SEASON FINISHEDEAYV01::FHEWITSONWed Mar 18 1992 08:3017
    The Mighty United Fall At CRAPPIELOW
                
                Well Kev Can We have the usual match report as i was
    unable to go as im nightshift .... worst luck.
    
    
    my team to play the ayrshire minnows
                 
                             PURDIE
              TRAYNOR  FURPHY    HOWARD   GAZ AGNEW
       
                 GARDENER   MCLEAN    BRYCE
           
                 WALKER    GRAHAM    SHAW
    
    SUBS    MCTURK KENNEDY OR GEORGE IF FIT
    
49.240Just a load of CRAP...MADBAS::DSMITHWed Mar 18 1992 12:0222
    
    
    A crap game on a crap park on a crap night with a crap ref.
    
     That just about sums up last nights game at Crappielow. Conditions
    were very poor with a very heavy pitch, strong wind and rain. Morton
    created the better chances so probably deserved the win. Ayr were
    reasonably good in defence except late on when they were chasing the
    game and Morton's quick forwards always looked dangerous on the break.
    Our midfield last night was non-existant. Mclean tried hard to get
    things going but Bryce was poor and Lee Gardner just doesn't merit a
    mention. He was caught in possession so many times it was unreal. His
    passing was utter crap (nice word) and his tackling was useless. George
    has to be fit for Saturday or Killie will dominate the midfield.
    
     Pass marks to Scissorhands, Howard, McVie, McLean and MOM Ally Graham.
    He put in more work and tackles last night than he's done all season.
    Hopefully the team will be fired up for Saturday's game knowing that a
    win will finish Killie's promotion chances, but a big improvement will
    be needed on last night's performance.
    
     Danny...
49.241SCOAYR::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthWed Mar 18 1992 12:5525
    Yes Dan, Morton deserved to win last night. Ayr's midfield was shocking
    and I still can't understand why McLean was subbed. He was the only
    player in midfield who was tackling anyone with any effect. Gardner was
    beyond words. He was so out of his depth, slow , caught in possession
    time after time, he was driving me nuts. Purdie was not at fault with
    the first goal but must shoulder part of the blame for No 2 when Hopkin
    rose at the near post to score with a header. The first goal was an
    admitted, miss-kick by Tolmie. He swung at it with his left and kicked
    fresh air and the ball struck his right foot and trickled in at the far
    post. Walker should have scored after about 10 mins when he scooped the
    ball over the bar from 4 yards with his right foot when a left foot
    shot would have scored. Howard was booked for a rash challenge on
    Mathie. I would drop Gardner,McVie and Shaw and play Kennedy, Furphy
    and George from the start. We have to have a bit more dig in midfield
    and no silly we nancy boys like Gardner poncing about and losing the
    ball every time he gets it. His one and only good game at Somerset was
    against Dundee and he's done nothing since. If we had another striker I
    would also drop Walker, purely for missing that chance early on last
    night. All in all I am not confident about Saturday anymore. Sob Sob
    
    BTW, there must have been more rain fell last night during the match
    than fell in the 3 days preceeding the original date for the game, yet
    the game went ahead and was not abandoned. Funny that, isn't it ? :-)
    
    Kev... 
49.242??????KURMA::GMCDONALDUNITEDWed Mar 18 1992 13:4229
    Kev ,
    
    
        Sorry Kev McVie must stay.....
    
    last nights merits....
    
    PURDIE..........****
    TRAYNOR.........**
    AGNEW...........**
    McVIE...........****
    HOWARD..........****
    McLEAN..........***
    GARDNER.........-100
    BRYCE...........**
    GRAHAM..........*****
    WALKER..........***
    SHAW............**
    
    
    subs KENEDEY....**
         McTURK.....**
    
        AS it looks like George and McLean wont make it for Sat. Ithink we
    should use McVie or Furphy in that area to put some bite in the team..
    
    
    
    Graeme
49.243 In the ****house...MADBAS::DSMITHWed Mar 18 1992 14:1713
    
    
     What's the problem with McLean? He didn't look injured last night,
    that's why I could not understand the substitution. If neither McLean
    or George make it for Saturday, we're in serious s**t!! If Furphy
    doesn't make it, we're in very deep. McVie will certainly start as he's
    not afraid to put himself about, that will be needed on Saturday.
    
     Danny...
    
    
    ps How about the hard-running, hard-tackling Ally Graham as out
    midfield maestro....:-)
49.244Hot off the press!!!SCOAYR::AARNOTTThu Mar 19 1992 15:2516
    
    Hello there chaps, It's not like me to come in here without good cause
    but I thought you might be interested in a wee rumour from a reliable
    source that I heard last night. 
    
    Apparently Ayr Utd. are in hush-hush talks with a prosperous American
    businessman with a view to a possible takeover in the very near future. 
    
    comments ???
    
    Andy (looking forward to an entertaining game on Saturday with
    hopefully the right result for the "sleeping giant" of Scottish
    football :-) )
    
    
    
49.245Hook, line and sinkerMADBAS::DSMITHThu Mar 19 1992 16:0112
    
    
    re last
    
     Is this a wind-up or not?
    
    Remember, the esteemed gentlemen on the board at Somerset Park had the
    wisdom and sense to turn down a certain David Murray's offer of several
    million quid only a few years ago. Why should they accept any cash from
    someone else this time round?
    
    Danny...
49.246SCOAYR::AARNOTTThu Mar 19 1992 16:323
    
    
    NO WIND-UP...
49.247Tell us more!!AYOU48::JHILLThu Mar 19 1992 16:5116
    
    
    
    Now this sounds interesting !!
    
    How about naming your source ,Andy , or even how he/she would know
    about it if you don't want to name names ?
    
    Danny, I don't think that even the buffoons that are on the board at
    Somerset would be stupid enough to refuse another reasonable offer.
    
    
    
    
    
    Steep. 
49.248 MONEY, MONEY,MONEYEAYV01::FHEWITSONFri Mar 20 1992 04:5021
    RE.245
          
          DANNY 
              Seemingly all the director's who didnt want murray's money
              have all resigned or quit 
            
              APART FROM SHIT FOR BRAINS KILTY LOUDON
    
              So Here's hoping this time
    
             
             AT LEAST IF WE HAD THE KIND OF MONEY THAT THE MINNOWS HAVE
      
            I DONT THINK WE WOULD NEED TO TREAT EVERY GAME FROM NOW
         
            TILL THE END OF THE SEASON AS A CUP GAME TO GET PROMOTION
      
            NEED I SAY MORE
    
               CHEERS FIN
    
49.249MADBAS::DREESthe black & white machineFri Mar 20 1992 14:2345
    
    So far this season we haven't managed to beat Killie. The last time
    they came to Somerset proved to be a rather humiliating experience
    which I'd rather forget. IMO along with Raith, Killie have been the
    most impressive side to visit Somerset this season. They were streaks
    ahead of us that day.
    
    Although we haven't beaten them this season we have only lost once.
    Tomorrow gives us the chance to even things up with the added incentive
    of knowing that if we win we end their promotion chances.
    
    Although we are out the promotion race I expect nothing less than 100%
    from the boys tomorrow. The defence has a more solid look about it and
    the forwards have started scoring again so that only leaves the problem 
    of the midfield, which on Tuesday night against Morton, was completely 
    missing. We badly miss Duncan George.
    
    I'm not going to predict a victory tomorrow but if we can compete in
    the middle and closedown Ally Mitchell I'm sure we won't lose. With
    Hugh Burns suspended, Killie will miss his bite and hopefully we can
    take advantage of this.
    
    My team for tomorrow would be :
    
                           Purdie
    
             Traynor    Howard    Furphy    Agnew 
    
              Kennedy   McVie   George   McLean
    
                       Graham  Walker
    
              subs : Shaw, Bryce
    
    Hopefully Furphy and George will be fit for tomorrow and although
    it won't be a game for the youngsters McVie deserves to keep his place.
    I'd like to see Kennedy back to man mark Mitchell and I'd move McVie up 
    into midfield were he won't be afraid to put himself about. If we are
    under pressure he can always move back to form a 3 man central defence.
    We can't afford carry passengers so I'd relegate Bryce to the bench
    and drop Gardner completely. 
    
    If Furphy and George don't make tomorrow I can't see us winning.
    
    Del.                             
49.250no Duncan GeorgeMADBAS::DREESthe black & white machineFri Mar 20 1992 15:487
    
    So much for my team in the last note....it seems Duncan George
    will be out for the rest of the season. This is very disappointing as we
    could really do with his dig tomorrow.  I guess that means Tommy Bryce
    will start with Gardner or McTurk taking his place on the bench.
    
    Del.                                             
49.251Not a good day...MADBAS::DSMITHSun Mar 22 1992 18:4227
    
    
     Well, what can one say. 
    
    Ayr were well beaten by a very average looking Kilmarnock side. Neither
    team played particularly well in the windy conditions. Chances were few
    and far between, Purdie and Geddes both having a couple of good saves.
    
    Killie's first was a disaster for the Ayr defence. No tackle made in
    the midfield and Tait in yards of space to pick up the through ball.
    I don't know what Purdie thought was happening, he made no attempt to
    stop Tait's shot. The 2nd from Tommy Burns was very unlucky. He duffed
    his shot which was going straight to Purdie before it struck Kennedy
    and ended up in the net.
    
     Ayr's midfield was garbage. An unfit Duncan George tried to get things
    going but with 2 haddies in Bryce and Gardner alongside him, he was
    struggling throughout. 
    
     It's time Bryce and Gardner were replaced in midfield by players with
    a bit of class and speed to set up chances for the strikers. Kennedy
    also has to be replaced, possibly McVie will be given a run in the team
    now.
    
     All in all, a pretty glum afternoon at Somerset.
    
    Danny...
49.252Give us a break...Please!!!EAYV01::LGRACEWalking down the Somerset Road....Tue Mar 24 1992 14:389
    Sal,
    You must have some size of gut by now,considering all the humble
    pie you have had to eat this season (not to mention the few pints
    and the odd curry here and there!!).Anyway it seems that every time
    you begin to gloat the roof falls in on us immediately,please do
    us a favour next season and start following the squirrels!!!
                             Only Joking Sal!!
                                  Cheers
                                 Lawrence
49.253DOCU2::JHILLTue Mar 24 1992 17:2621
    
    
    Well all in all Saturdays game was pretty lousy. The performance
    merited the result with one two players showing how bad they really can
    be.
    
    Gary Agnew was sorely missed. This was particularly noticeable in the
    second half when half decent moves were breaking down on the left as
    Kennedy either passed backwards, sideways or just simply lost
    possession. 
    
    I think Burley must now think of playing some of the fringe players
    in the remainig games McVie, Hood, McTurk even some of the boys
    currently playing in the reserves.
    
    
    
    
    
    Steep
      
49.254give youth a chanceAYOV27::SALLENFri Mar 27 1992 13:275
    The younger players in the squad will now get first team prcatise. Shaw
    has been told that he will play until the end of the season. Hopefully
    this will mature him for next season.
    
    regards ... Stevie
49.255Let's look ahead...MADBAS::DSMITHFri Mar 27 1992 14:1327
    
    
     Hopefully Burley will drop Gardner, Bryce and Kennedy tomorrow against
    Forfar and bring in 1 or 2 more of the youngsters, McTurk and Hood
    spring to mind. The boss should now start building for next season when
    hopefully Ayr will be able to sustain a challenge at the top. 
    
     On the subject of next season, who do you not expect (or would not
    want) to see at Somerset? I reckon we can do without Gardner, Bryce,
    Kennedy, Purdie and possibly McLean from the first team squad. There
    are quite a few others in the background who will be on their way.
    Brown, Vincent, Auld and Smith will certainly be leaving. Burley will
    have to rely on some of the good youngsters and hope to pick up a few
    bargain's during the close season to build his first team squad. A lack
    of cash won't help in trying to bring players to Somerset. Most will be
    signing on a part-time basis.
    
     I honestly think we have the nucleus of a good team, but as Burley has
    said, we're a couple of player's short at the moment. Hopefully he can
    find some midfield players with a bit of skill and pace to partner
    Duncan George who, in my view, is the only good player we have in the
    middle.
    
     Danny...
    
    ps I think we'll see the smallest crowd of the season at Somerset
    tomorrow.
49.256???/KURMA::GMCDONALDUNITEDSun Mar 29 1992 15:479
    HI LADS,
    
          MATCH REPORT FOR THE FORFAR GAME PLEASE.....
    
    
    
    
    
    GRAEME...
49.257is that no enoughKIRKTN::CPATRICKDoes the name Quazi ring a bell ?? Sun Mar 29 1992 17:173
    RE-1
    
    You's won !!!
49.258Not a lot to report....MADBAS::DSMITHMon Apr 06 1992 15:0023
    
    
    re - 2
    
     Only word to describe the Forfar game is YAWN!!
    
    Typical end of season game in front of a very small crowd of @1300.
    Ayr had a couple of chances early on before they took the lead with a
    good goal, well made by Bryce and a good header from McLean to finish
    it off. After that the game went from bad to very bad, only points
    worth mentioning were how Kennedy managed to miss twice in the space of
    minutes when through on the keeper.
    
     By all accounts, Saturday's game at Clydebank was as bad. As our
    roving reporter is absent with a broken wrist, we may have to wait a
    week or two before we get the details.
    
     Dundee at home on Saturday. Hopefully we'll see a better game with
    Dundee still needing the points to ensure promotion. I dare say we'll
    get the chance to verbally abuse the fat man who is currently
    player-coach with them, should be fun!!!
    
     Danny...
49.259Sal Is Still Going To HampdenPAKORA::CPATRICKWelcum to the house of FUNTue Apr 07 1992 00:4820
    
    Howz it gaun boys... 
    
    I've just sobered up from the hampden game (what a load of sh*t)
    
    Now down to buisness.I beleive we have allowed our close neighbours, 
    Meadowbank,the use of our magnifficent stadium to play you's a week
    on Saturday !!! I thought I would just write you's a small note to
    remind you's to take your camera's as it will probably be a very long
    time before you's ever get to see another Premier league Stadium.
    Also if you's have any spare cash and it is raining,It would be a
    wise investment to buy umbrellas,seeing as how the crap teams supporters
    get the uncovered end :-)
    
    Hearts are also about to unload some huddy's,(Gary lugs mckay aswell I
    hope)so if you's behave yourself and be nice to WallARSE Mercer,He might
    allow them to travel home with you's in the minibus as I beleive  
    there are always spare seats.  :-)
    
    SQF Jambo
49.260next seasonKIRKTN::GMCDONALDLIGHTTue Apr 07 1992 01:0220
    HI BOYS,
    
    
    
           A wee bit of info for you all ,I heard this week, from a not
    very good sourse mind you, that GB was in the middle of a swap deal
    with Ally at QOS , the deal I am told is Bryce and Purdie for Thopmson.
          Sounds like a tall one ,but it might well have been the swap deal
    that fell through last week, time will tell...
          Anyone got any other facts or romours to speak of,the press seem
    to be hinting that a pair of wide players are to be signed with the
    sale of one of our players to finance the deals.With only 3 players
    worth selling and 2 of them ,namely Graham and Agnew just signing
    new contracts it looks like Furphy will be the one to go.
          Time will tell...
    
    
      Graeme......
         
    
49.261RUMOURMONGEREAYV01::FHEWITSONTue Apr 07 1992 12:5812
  SAL
    WHEN I WAS AT CLYDEBANK ON SATURDAY THE RUMOUR I HEARD WAS JOHN
    WATSON OF AIRDRIE BUT I DONT WHICH AYR PLAYER WAS INVOLVED .
    AS FOR THE GAME ON SATURDAY WELL IT'S NOT WORTH MENTIONING, TYPICAL
    END OF THE SEASON,BOTH TEAMS WERE RUBBISH, MIND YOU AYR HAD THERE
    CHANCES. 
    
    
    
    
    PS BAD NEWS THOUGH, killie MIGHT GET AGOOD MANAGER NOW
    
49.262MADBAS::DSMITHTue Apr 07 1992 22:4416
    
    re .259
    
     Welcome back Mr. Patrick.  How much did your street map of Glasgow
    cost you? You being a part-time supporter you'd need it to find
    Hampden. :-) :-)
    
    Re possible transfers. 
    
    Obviously Burley will be doing some wheeling and dealing during the
    close season to try and pick up some decent players on the cheap.
    However, John Watson I feel, would be a step in the wrong direction.
    He's past it. Look what's happened at Bugme Park. They bought several
    "old pro's" and got nowhere. Young blood required!!!
    
     Danny... 
49.263....PAKORA::GMCDONALDLIGHTWed Apr 08 1992 09:4919
    Dan,
    
        I don't know so much about signing young players, the side at the 
    moment is slightly over crowded with youth i,e Howard,McVie,Agnew and
    Shaw all under 22and the likes of Graham,McLean,George and Traynor not 
    much older .While I think you are wairy of signings who might fall into
    the Weir/Bryce age group,and I must agree Watson is one of them,and
    would be a bad signing,Ifeel we should be trying to sign experianced
    players  who are not yet over the hill and who are perhaps 27/28 and
    with a bit of luch have some premier experiance. Names that spring to 
    mind are McDowell of St Mirren or Graham Harvey of StMirren but I feel
    these guys could be 29/30 which is getting to over the hill stage..
            The terrible truth is teams aren't going to "give us" premier
    class players who are at their peeks.So I suppose its back to beggars
    can't be choosers...
             Hope GB can come up with something!!!!!
    
    
    Graeme..        
49.264CLEAROUT OR NOTEAYV01::FHEWITSONBlack And White ArmyThu Apr 09 1992 16:5929
    RE.263
          SAL, doesent Graham Harvey Play With Airdre ?
    
          Well lads,which players would you keep and who would you sell or
    let go
          players i would keep:-
                                 super cammy
                                 john traynor
                                 gaz agnew
                                 furpherino
                                 Big nige
                                 paul mclean
                                 duncan george
                                 ally graham
                                 alan mcturk
                                 lee gardener
                                 greg shaw
        DONT KNOW'S
                                 Tommy walker
                                 tommy bryce
    
    
    
    i WOULD get rid of kennedy,oops iforget iwould keep mcvie
    
             so lets hear from you
          
                      cheers fin
    
49.265*******KIRKTN::GMCDONALDLIGHTFri Apr 10 1992 02:4614
    Hi Lads,
    
    
     Fin, Graeme Harvey does play with Airdrie , he cost around 60K from 
    Dundee and has scored around 30 premier reserve gaols..
    
    
    Players to go....I think in order to progress into the hunt 6/7 players
    need to be replaced by better ones , this applies to the whole team.
     But in my opinion the one's to go would be Vincent,Auld,Bryce, Brown,
    Walker,Weir,Kenedy and Smith...
    
    
    Graeme.... 
49.266Gardner MUST GO!!!!MADBAS::DSMITHFri Apr 10 1992 19:3610
    re last few
    
    Come on lads, surely Gardner must be included in a clearout. The guy
    has done nothing since arriving at Somerset and hasn't shown anything
    that would make me want him to stay.
    
     Dundee tomorrow, we'll need a big improvement on the last couple of
    games if we're to blunt their title hopes.
    
      Dannny...
49.267lllPAKORA::GMCDONALDLIGHTSun Apr 12 1992 11:5425
    Hi Lads,
    
             Was at the Dundee game yesteday and the lads played really
    well.The defence was very solid with Furphy out standing in his
    handling of thet wee toad Doads.The mid feild also played quite well
    with George on top form and tackling very well, Paul McLean also was
    unlucky on a couple of occations .Up front we were a wee bit soft with
    big Ai and wee Tam doing the usual.
            If Dundee is the best team in the league well we are not that
    far away , if only we could beat the wee teams like Stirling and
    Kilmarnock then things could have been a lot differant..
    
      Dan...  While I agree with you that Gardner is a complete pudin I
    think he deserves the chance of pre season training and proper 
    preperation for next season , if after this he fails then off he must
    go.
    
             I have come across a wee bit of gossip for you all,and this
    time it comes from a good source ,I have heard that David Kenedey
    is on his way to Meadowbank in a swap deal for who I dont know.
           Remembering that GB is after a winger could it be Little?
    Or could it be 6ft 2in forward Grant...
    
    Graeme 
    
49.268moreKIRKTN::GMCDONALDLIGHTSun Apr 12 1992 14:0819
    Boys.
    
         Sorry I had to log of in a hurry, the reason I think that GB might
    be interested in Derek Grant (Meadowbank and Dec) is that romour has it 
    that a deal with Airdrie for John Watson fell through last week, if
    that was the case it seems GB is on the lookout for a big forward in
    the Graham mould either to replace him or to play alongside him,I hope
    its the latter.Two big direct forwards would take some marking and with
    the right service could cause havoc next season.Does anyone remember
    the last time we played with such a combination ?? It was in the
    premier league ,with Walker McColl and Danny Masterton,who could forget
    that pair!!!! but seriously it could be an option ,when youve no cash
    for class midfeilders the only way to goal is down the wings and over
    the top i.e Millwal ,Shefeild Utd,Wimbldon and Cambridge.
    
            not great to watch,but beggars cant be chosers......
    
    Graeme ...
      
49.269Better performance...MADBAS::DSMITHMon Apr 13 1992 15:2825
    
    
     A better performance on Saturday against the league leaders who, it
    must be said, had the better chances in the first half but some great
    goalkeeping from Purdie kept them out. He had 3 or 4 great saves, pity
    he's so inconsistent with high balls into the box. Second half saw Ayr
    come right back into the game and Jim Leighton in the Dundee goal had a
    couple of cracking saves to keep the scoreline blank. A draw in the end
    was a fair result.
    
     As Sal says, Dundee didn't look that good at times and will need to
    invest heavily if they want to stay in the premier.
    
     Impressed with Purdie on Saturday. Furphy and Howard were very solid
    in the centre of defence, Paul McLean had a very good game and was
    unlucky not too score. George and McTurk also impressed, Graham and
    Walker didn't do too much. Only players who weren't too good were
    Kennedy (as usual), Burley and Traynor although he was in midfield
    which I don't think is his best position.
    
     Danny...
    
    ps Nice to see wee Duncan George getting wired into that big cheat
    Stainrod and giving him a couple of hefty tackles.
    
49.270WING WIZARDEAYV01::FHEWITSONBlack And White ArmyTue Apr 14 1992 04:4910
    SAL
       If your right about Derek Grant,who are we going to use as winger's
       Ally Frazer, or Pedro Weir? I think GB should get rid of old
    peter and maybe keep Ally,and try and get agood Johnny Doyle like
    player .
    
     BIG NIGE is fairly comin on a ton  
    
    
          cheers fin
49.271Have you's any spare maps lads ???PAKORA::CPATRICKWelcum to the house of FUNTue Apr 14 1992 16:555
    I have just heard a rumour ????
    
     Sal is going to Hampden tonight !!!
    
     SQF Jambo
49.272Take your boxing gloves.MADBAS::DSMITHTue Apr 14 1992 17:0414
    
    
    re last
    
    
     Aye, just to make sure you don't get lost in the big city.
    
     Sal, you may not see a decent game of football but you're almost
    certainly guaranteed a good boxing match between the 2 dirtiest teams
    in Scottish football.
    
    Danny...
    
        
49.273Bye Bye BrycieMADBAS::DREESthe black & white machineTue Apr 14 1992 17:3345
    
    Sal,
        I hope the rumour of you going to Hampden is untrue.....
    
        The football on show will be appauling if the first game is anything 
        to go by. Why waste your cash ? 
        
        It shows you the crap standard of Scottish football went two poor 
        sides like Hearts and Airdrie can contest a Scottish Cup semi-final.
        I rather watch a rerun of the election :-)
    
        Anyway back to more important matters. Players I think should
        depart from Somerset are as follows :
    
        Tommy Bryce  (past it)
        Stuart Auld  (past it)
        David Purdie (too inconsistent and unreliable)
        Tommy Walker (works hard but is basically crap)
        Peter Weir   (past it)
        Others to go include Vincent,Smith and Brown.
         
        Players I would keep but others might not necessarily agree:
    
        David Kennedy: 
        Always gives 100% and would be a valuable pool player. He is not the 
        most skilful player but could do a turn when better players are
        injured.  
    
        Lee Gardner:
        He must be a better player than he has showed so far. He certainly has
        the ability. I think he lacks the desire to play at Somerset but
        hopefully that will change. He will also benefit from pre season
        training.  
    
        Paul McLean:
        I'm not being biased here because I know Paul well. He has been
        unfortunate this season with injury and has therefore not been as
        consistent as he should be. He has the dig and determination we need
        in our midfield and along with Duncan George will form part of a very 
        tough midfield.
    
    
        Heres to more improvement next season.
    
        Del
49.274We'll be back to Hampden in MAY..bring on enGERlandMASALA::CPATRICKWelcum to the house of FUNTue Apr 14 1992 17:499
    re-1
    
    Del,
        Sal may as well go along and see the 2 dirtiest teams in the league
    as you put it at hampden,coz He'll never be able to go there and see
    Ayr UTD....The only chance you's will ever get of seeing Hampden is if
    you go on a day trip......
    
     SQF Jambo
49.275Del is back!!PAKORA::GMCDONALDLIGHTTue Apr 14 1992 17:5316
    Del,
    
    
    
       I agree with most of what you say but Zico falls into the same
    catagory as Walker"crap".The fact that he gives 100% is not really an 
    issue ,I mean you would give the same if you pulled on the white.What
    we must do in the summer is improve in as many positions as possible
    ,starting with the weakest ones , namely the wings , a partner for big
    Ally , a goalkeeper and all our mince, and that quite a lot ,you named 
    most of them..It would be easier to name the ones you wouldnt give away
    or swap.......Duncan,Furphy,Howard,McLean,George and Graham...the rest
    all can be improved on...
     
    
    Graeme..
49.276No Jambos in EuropeMADBAS::DSMITHWed Apr 15 1992 12:2317
    
    
    re .274
    
     Oh dear Mr. Patrick
    
    You've opened your big gub a little early again. I don't think we'll be
    seeing you at Hampden in May, after all you follow a team who
    consistently prove that they don't have the bottle on the big occasion.
    As was said many notes ago, you've won exactly the same as us this
    season, BUGGER ALL!!!!!!!!
    
     Danny.
    
    ps. Have a nice day now.
    
    pps. :-) :-) Always look on the bright side of life!!!
49.277FINALISTSKIRKTN::GMCDONALDLIGHTWed Apr 15 1992 13:5610
    
    
    
          Is there anyone going to Easter Road tonight for the BP youth
    cup final???
    
    Graeme
    
    
          
49.278there is 2nd place for EUROPEPAKORA::CPATRICKWelcum to the house of FUNWed Apr 15 1992 14:2213
    re-1
    
    Graeme,you don't get into Europe by winning the BP youth cup !!! :-)
    
    re-2
    
    Danny,I got it wrong,
    
     We were beaten by those cheating scum B******s,who were as much fun to
     watch as paint drying.... Not to worry though our B team will stuff
     them in the final......
    
     SQF Jambo
49.279Runners up again!!KIRKTN::GMCDONALDLIGHTThu Apr 16 1992 12:3414
    
    
      BP YOUTH CUP FINAL....HIBS  2  AYR UTD  0
    
    
    
          According to clubcall the pups had their backs to the wall for
    most of this game and Hibs deserved their win and more.Nobody could
    have expected much more against a team who has been in the final for
    the laat 3 years and can boast premier league players in their team.
    The important thing is the lads battled to the end and never quit,
    a point their older clubmates could do well to note....
    
    Graeme..
49.280C'on Fin!!PAKORA::GMCDONALDLIGHTSun Apr 19 1992 14:0611
    
    
             MEADOWBANK TH  0  AYR UNITED 1
                                Graham         Crowd 310
    
    
    
    Awaiting match report from Fin......
    
    
             
49.281GHOSTLIKE TYNECASTLEEAYV01::FHEWITSONBlack And White ArmyTue Apr 21 1992 16:0616
    WELL LADS 
            what an exiting game 
           
    
           
    
    
    
            i woke up just in time to see ally scoring then wnet back
    to sleep .
    
            According to a certain MR Grace rumours of transfers are
    Greg Shaw going to ST JOHNSTONE in exchange for Steve Maskrey
    
            HOW ABOUT THAT THEN?
    
49.282He'll no go!!!PAKORA::PMOONI most certainly am not.Tue Apr 21 1992 18:048
    
    
    I hope not, Stevie's a great wee player......and always likely to score
    goals.........What like is the Shaw character anyway.
    
    
    
    Peter.
49.283we got gubbed again... :-(MASALA::CPATRICKHampden Blues in 92Tue Apr 21 1992 23:577
    Attendance at Tynecastle !!!!!
    
     300....
    
     what a support  :-)
    
     SQF Jambo
49.284NIGHTMARE!!!!PAKORA::GMCDONALDLIGHTThu Apr 23 1992 02:3320
    Hello Lads,
    
    
       The bad news is       Kilmarnock 4  Ayr United 0
    
    
            This is a real blow to the whites,god knows what happend over
    there,but something went very wrong,I wasnt at the game so I shouldnt
    really coment,but I will.
           This is the kind of result that a team costing close on 1million
    pounds should be having against a side that cost around 40 bob.I think
    now that TB has now made the Killie job his own,and unless real money
    is made available to GB,so that he can take on the likes of Killie
    without his hand tied round a lamppost then more results like these
    will follow..
          
    one browned off United fan ....over and out...
    
    P.s I can hear big Doc laughing from here!!!!!!
    
49.285Should have been moreSCOAYR::BLIVINGSTONEThu Apr 23 1992 12:397
    .284
    
        The scoreline should have been about 7 or 8 nil last night to the
    team that cost 1 million pounds if our team should be beating teams
    like Ayr by this scoreline all the time then how many should Rangers be
    beating all the Premier league by every week ?
    
49.286LIGHTAYOV27::BDOCHERTYThu Apr 23 1992 17:3310
    REPLY 284
    
    Sal you never seen a man so gutted on Wedensday night than George
    Burley he looked so disappointed to be honest the players let him down badly
    and according to West Sound this morning a lot of them who were on
    display last night will only be part timers next year.
    I think a man of Burley"s stature and professionalism deserves a lot
    better commitment than his troops gave him on Wednesday.
    
    
49.287Time to sum up.....MADBAS::DSMITHThu Apr 23 1992 18:0134
    
    
     Well lads, as the season draws to a close, what are your highs and
    lows of the past 9 months?
    
     I'll start the ball rolling.
    
    High points (not many I know!)
    
     Beating Dundee and St. Johnstone in the Skol cup before loosing to the
    eventual winners in the quarter-finals.
    
     Being at Greenock as the machine came back from a 3-1 deficit with 3
    goals in the last 12 minutes.
    
     Returning from a 4-1 drubbing at Fir Park in the Scottish Cup, driving
    past Bugme Park and hearing live on the radio a certain Tommy Burns
    missing from the penalty spot as Killie crashed out to the mighty
    Meadowbank. :-) :-) :-)
    
  
      Lows - too many to mention.
    
    B@Q Cup Final.
    
    Loosing both home games to Kilmarnock and Partick Thistle.
    
    Not being able to sustain our early season form.
    
    Every time that Davie Kennedy and Lee Gardner started a game.
    
     and many many more!!!
    
    Danny.
49.288Down and nearly out!MASALA::GMCDONALDLIGHTFri Apr 24 1992 00:4950
    This season...
    
    
                All that realy should be said is Ayr are a very average
    side ,who can play a wee bit when there is no pressure on them.The real 
    test of a good side is when they can perform every week to a high level
    wither its a sunny Aug. day or a cold Nov night,Ayr I'm affraid dont
    measure up.
             I think GB is the man for the job, but with no backing at all
    from the board I think the 1st offer he gets he'll be off..then its
    back to the 2nd div Im affraid.
    
    
    
    
    HIGHS.....
    
              1st  Dundee in Aug 4-2....Who can forget big All droping his
    kegs.
              2nd  Hibs in Aug 0-2....I thought we played brilliant that
    night and so did Burrige..
              3rd  StJ  in Aug  2-0   Gregg Shaws 30 yarder
    
              4rth  Greenock     4-3   outstanding
    
              5th   Coventry     3-1    Shaw's header
    
    
    WORST    1st  the 3 games against the vermin of gods earth!!!
    
             2nd  the 2 home games against thistle
    
             3rd  the cup final
    
             4rth  all the silly wee teams that beat us......
    
    
    The future .....I think unless there is some form of take over Ayr will 
    be 100% patime within 3years and will remain in the 1st forever with
    the occational apperance in the 2nd..
    Unlike the 3000 partimers up the A77 I'll be there when ever I can,this 
    may sound like sour grapes .....thats because it is !!!!!
    
    one let down(badly)united fan......over and out and back to the dark
     room Ive been in for the last 24hrs..
    
    
    Graeme.....
    
    
49.289Put a sock in it...MASALA::GMCDONALDLIGHTFri Apr 24 1992 01:0614
    re 285.
    
    
     Maybe the Scottish League should create a special catogary in the
    league tables just for Killie ,they could sandwich it between goals for 
    and goals against and call it the goals Killie should have scored,
    I think this seasons tally would have been about 200.
    Okay Brian Killie won back the silver,fair enough,but wise up please.
    Anyway I thought you watched Hurlford Utd   8-).
     
                                Graeme....
    
    
    
49.290FULLTIME OR PARTTIMEEAYV01::FHEWITSONBlack And White ArmyFri Apr 24 1992 13:0041
    RE.287   
         lads,
             High's And low's for me
      
    I've only missed five games this season and i've seen most of the
    up's and down's, mostly down's so here they are 
    
         
    HIGH'S
          the month of August when were top of the league [not for long
    though],the skol cup victories over St Johnstone and Dundee.
    
          Beating Dundee 4-1 in october
    
          3 goals in twelve minutes at cappielow
    
          Partick thistle beating killie with a controversial goal to
    end their promotion hopes.
    
          Ally graham's hat trick at kirkcaldy
    
    
    
    LOW'S
         Taking no points off partick.
    
         losing silly goals to stirling.
    
         not beating the scumbag's
    
         Cammy duncan getting injured 
    
    I think that sum's it up
    
        According to todays newspapers some of the players that played
    on wednesday will be told to take a parttime contract or move on.
      
    what's the verdict on that?
    
    
    FIN.....
49.291MASALA::GMCDONALDLIGHTSat Apr 25 1992 00:3721
    Fin,
    
    
        I have some info for you...
    
    
          1st...Norman Montgomery the Glens 40 goal hero will sign a two
    year deal with United.
    
    
         2nd....there is going to be a massive clearout at the end of the
    season....6 of the clowns that lost the silver at Killie will turn part
    time or go...Ive heard that GB wants them to go..and the names Ive
    heard are Kenedey,Bryce,Smith,Walker,Gardnerand Purdie.
    
        3rd...The u18 goalie will make his debut tomorrow.
    
        4rth...The board are having a meeting to see if GB will get the 50K
    he wants for players next season...
    
    Graeme..
49.292what a load of rubbish!MASALA::GMCDONALDLIGHTSun Apr 26 1992 00:317
               Giants 0  Montrose 0      Crowd....1300
      
    
    Rumours...The latest is John (is it)Balverage  StJohnstone is to sign.
    
    
    Graeme....
49.2931st or 2nd goalieEAYV01::FHEWITSONBlack And White ArmyMon Apr 27 1992 16:146
    sal,
        IT'S john Balavage, he's not a bad keeper, helped St Johnstone
    get promotion.
    
    fin.....
     
49.294rumour utdEAYV01::FHEWITSONBlack And White ArmyTue Apr 28 1992 16:2918
    LADS
       If the rumours are right we will be signing FIVE new players,
    
       could this be the team next season
    
                          Balavage or Duncan
    
           Traynor   Furphy             Howard  Agnew

                            Watson
    
                    George  Mclean  Elliot
    
                    Graham       Maskrey
    
    subs Montgomery Mcturk
    
    cheers FIN ......
49.295Money, Money, MoneyMADBAS::DSMITHTue Apr 28 1992 23:0726
    
    
     Fin,
    
        I take it that Watson is the guy from Airdrie, ex Dunfermline.
    Personally, I hope he doesn't sign as he's past his best and would only
    be coming to Somerset to see out his career. Bad move I think. Elliot I
    presume is the guy from Killie. He could be a good signing for us, he's
    got a fair bit of ability and could be the wide player that Burley is
    looking for. Maskery would be a good signing, he's proved in the past
    that he'll score goals.
    
     However, once again the big stumbling block is cash or lack of it. The
    3 players mentioned are presumably all full-time with their current
    club and would, even if signed on full-time contracts, be taking a drop
    in wages if they come to Somerset. We have to get loads a money from
    somewhere to hopefully get the players that we need to sustain a
    promotion challenge next season.
    
      Danny.
    
    ps With Tommy Burns being appointed manager of the wee scabby club in
    the north of ayrshire, I confidently tip them to win the league next
    season. He'll get some cash to buy 3 or 4 good quality players that
    they are currently short of. I hope I'm proved wrong but if it,
    remember where you heard it first.
49.2962 points neededMADBAS::DSMITHWed Apr 29 1992 01:4513
    
    
     After Saturday's utterly boring goaless draw against relegated
    Montrose (who deserved the 2 points), Ayr go into the final game of the
    season on Saturday at home to Morton needing a victory to hoist them
    above Morton into 6th spot. If successful, this will be Ayr's highest
    league position in 10 years so I suppose we should be slightly pleased.
    Hopefully Burley will have them wound up and they manage to win the
    game. After Saturday I pray that the mass clear-out will begin!
    
     Danny.
    
    
49.297Agnew for Dundee????EAYV01::LGRACEWalking down the Somerset Road....Wed Apr 29 1992 16:116
    I see that today's Daily Record states that Garry Agnew is wanted
    by Dundee.Personally,I would hate to see him go but if it's only
    way to recoup some cash then let's hope Ayr sell him for a decent
    sum.I think that you can always get by with an average full back
    so I say let's sell Agnew and give the cash straight to Burley for
    players.
49.298PAKORA::GMCDONALDLIGHTThu Apr 30 1992 15:5713
    Lawrance,
    
            I have to agree with you again wee man,we have got to sell one 
    of our "big three", either Furphy,Agnew or Graham in order to raise the
    cash the board can't supply.I think if it was me I would try and punt
    Furphy,but I suppose its down to what other teams want.
            Dundee seem to be scooping all the young stars in the lower
    divs i.e Richie and Christie for 80K and 60K, so there might be some
    truth in this one . How much do you think Gazza would fetch, me thinks
    about 60K max....
    
    
    Graeme...
49.299What Price Agnew?????EAYV01::LGRACEWalking down the Somerset Road....Thu Apr 30 1992 19:059
    I think that I would be quite disappointed if we only received 60k
    for Agnew,as I really honestly believe that he is our main asset
    at the moment,let's not forget that Agnew is on the verge of receiving
    an Under 21's cap.If you consider the money that Sweeney of Clydebank is
    valued at then we must be looking at realistically 200k for
    Agnew.However,I must admit there isn't many teams in Scotland who
    would part with that amount of money for him,especially since he
    is yet to really prove himself.I only hope we don't let him go for
    under 100k.
49.300End of season report..MADBAS::DSMITHTue May 05 1992 17:1038
49.301next year ???AYOV27::SALLENWed May 06 1992 17:1515
    Along with Elliot, it would be worth Burley having a serious look at
    Burgess and Campbell Clark, both frees from Kilmarnock. 
    
    Elliot was rumoured to be on trial with Ayr around Xmas time last
    year. 
    
    I hear that Davie Kennedy has taken a free rather than go part -time.
    
    
    rgds ... Stevie
    
    
    
    PS what about the new strip !!
    
49.302YEUCH..!!!!!MADBAS::DSMITHWed May 06 1992 18:0310
    re last
    
     Surely "Zico" Kennedy doesn't expect to sign full time for any other
    team! After all, they'll all be bigger and better than Ayr.
    
     The strip was modelled at half-time on Saturday. All I'll say is that
    the young female parading it was a damn sight more attractive than the
    strip.
    
     Danny.
49.303New SigningMASALA::GMCDONALDJOPPASat May 09 1992 01:4010
    
    
            I heard yesterday that GB made his first signing,a 16 year old
    left winger from Chelsea.It appears that the player is a local lad from 
    Prestwick and was a Scottish youth cap last year.Does anyone have any
    info on the player?
           
    Graeme...
    
     
49.304LightAYOV27::BDOCHERTYSat May 09 1992 10:132
    Sal is his second name Scott, they have signed a young lad I think that
    was the name I heard.
49.305LightMASALA::GMCDONALDJOPPASun May 10 1992 00:0911
       
    
    
         Sorry Billy the name doesn't ring a bell.I heard that Willie
    Furphy has  excepted a part time contract.Walker and Bryce have not
    and are looking for other clubs.
         The only fooltimers left will be Howard,Graham,George,Agnew,
    McLean,Duncan and Gardner.
    
    Graeme...
     
49.306Have a nice close season !!!!MASALA::CPATRICKD_Mob_happy_Safari_Bandano_1992Sun May 10 1992 01:517
    re-1
    
    graeme,you got that right 
    
    "the only FOOLtimers left" they must be to stay at Ayr Utd....
    
     SQF Jambo
49.307lightAYOV27::BDOCHERTYSun May 10 1992 13:571
    Sal the boys name is Barry Scott.
49.308Latest Signing!!!!!EAYV01::LGRACEWalking down the Somerset Road....Mon May 11 1992 14:2616
    RE .303
    As previously mentioned Ayr's latest signing is Barry Scott from
    Prestwick.He was originally an 's' Form with Hibs,then he accepted
    a contract with Chelsea.However,he got homesick and asked to be
    released.He returned home in February and signed on with Ayr Boswell
    Boys Club Under 18's.He was highly rated before joining Chelsea
    and since returning home he has been on trial with Dundee United,
    St Johnstone,Kilmarnock and Ayr United.The first two clubs were
    only willing to offer him a month to month contract at the moment
    and both Ayrshire teams were willing to offer him Y.T.S. He has
    obviously opted for Ayr however having seen him playing for Ayr
    Boswell several times I am not so sure about him he certainly is
    a tricky player he isn't very tall in fact he is extremely similar
    to Lee Gardner.He has plenty of time to develop so you never can
    tell what he is going to be like in a year or so and he could turn
    out to be an asset.
49.309Juniors required.MASALA::JROWANAUCHINLECK TALBOT, SIMPLY THE BEST.Tue May 12 1992 21:114
    Re the free transfers, does anyone think any of the "frees" would make
    good Juniors. Auchinleck are on the look out for a centre half IF big 
    Sam McCulloch retires. Any thoughts?.
    
49.310Furphy to go...MADBAS::DSMITHWed May 13 1992 16:2627
    
    
    Ayr have finally announced who won't be at Somerset next season.
    
     Freed - Stuart Auld, Robert Brown, Mike Smith and Steve Vincent.
    No surprises here although I would have hoped to pick up some cash for
    Smith. They are all full-time so some money will be saved there.
    
     On offer - Willie Furphy, Tommy Bryce, David Kennedy, Greg Shaw and
    Lee Gardner who have all refused new contracts.
    
     Furphy, the club captain who has picked up a couple player of the year
    awards, is angry with what has been offered to re-sign. According to
    reports in the Daily Express, he's been offered the same as 2 years ago
    when he last signed a new contract. He has been with Ayr for 6 seasons
    and club captain for the past 2. If what he say's is correct, I can
    only imagine Burley is trying to force him out. Kilmarnock, Partick and
    Sheffield United are reported to be interested. He has been Ayr's
    outstanding player for the past 3 or 4 seasons. I hope we can get some
    good money for him.
    
     The others won't be missed with the exception possibly of Greg Shaw.
    He attracted a lot of interest early last season but this seems to have
    tapered off as the goals have dried up. Again, we may get a decent
    offer for him.
    
     Danny.
49.311Not again!!!!!MADBAS::DSMITHThu May 14 1992 13:1410
    
    
     Just when we thought it was safe.....
    
    
      We've been drawn away to Partick Thistle in the 2nd round of next
    season's Skol/League cup. What's our chances of actually beating them
    this time?
    
     Danny...
49.312noneAYOV27::DINV40Thu May 14 1992 14:382
    none
    
49.313I'm BackSCOAYR::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthThu May 14 1992 20:0323
    A bit late for this perhaps but in true Ayr United fashion, I've been
    injured for the latter part of the season. ;-)
    
    Highs
    -----
    Beating Dundee and St Johnstone in the Skol.
    Scoring 3 in 12 minutes at Cappilowe
    Gubbing Meadowbank 7-0. (I wish they had got relegated)
    Duncan George equalising against the 'Well
    Ally's hat-trick at Kirkcaldy.
    
    Lows
    ----
    Our crap part-time support
    Losing to Kilmarnock
    Losing to Stirling
    Our crap board of directors
    Furphy being put on the list
    Every time I had to read how Ayr have no money and must sell to get
    cash for new players.
    Missing 2 games out of 55.
    
    Kev...
49.314Was it the Glens or Partick ?PAKORA::MBROWNFri May 15 1992 01:015
    I don't see why you can't be happy with the Skol cup draw against
    Partick Thistle, if the Tolbet can take 4 goals off them Ayr can do
    the same.
    
    Or will Partick sign all of the Tolbet team for the match against Ayr.
49.315PAPERTALK I HOPEEAYV01::FHEWITSONBlack And White ArmyFri May 15 1992 13:1011
    LADS,
         Reading the Ayrshire Leader last night it said Partick Thistle
    are interested in Furphy to slot in beside fat SUMO Rae,it said
    it could be a player (Alex Kennedy)plus cash coming to somerset.
    
    I hope the Leader is wrong cos after watching the junior cup final
    Kennedy was utter crap,he was slow as shuch waater as they say.
    
    who would you like to see in the number 4 jersey ????
    
    cheers fin.....
49.316Signing...PAKORA::GMCDONALDLIGHTSat May 16 1992 14:0211
    
    
    
          Today the daily record stated that Ayr have signed Clydebank
    winger Gordon Mair for a nominal fee, this normaly means under 5K.
          I think he is around 31 and as I remember not a bad player
    "in his day".
          What do you all think of this one lads??
    
    
    Graeme....
49.317Motherwell ConnectionEAYV01::FHEWITSONBlack And White ArmySun May 17 1992 11:458
    sal,
        Gordon Mair is 31,he played with Motherwell before Clydebank.
    I dont know if its a good signing or not.I thought GB would have
    try to sign a younger player in his mid twenties to thirty.I take
    it we wont be signing David Elliot now.


    cheerrs fin.....
49.318Ayr OAP FCSCOAYR::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthMon May 18 1992 13:3615
    Contrary to popular belief, Gordon Mair will be 34 in September. I
    think this is too old even for Ayr and unless he is on the Gordon
    Strachan diet we'll probably get about 15 games out of him before his
    pension comes through. Add this to other possible signings in Gahagan
    and Russell and we could be going for the oldest midfield on record.
    On the Alex Kennedy signing, 
    
    He is about the worst player I have seen at Somerset since Jimmy
    Lindsay and surely Burley is not so stupid as to think he could replace
    the White Brazilian with a Donkey like him.
    
    Sal, Stop leaving yourself logged in as the phantom noter appears to
    have struck again.
    
    Kev... 
49.319MASALA::CPATRICKLittle Purple People EatersMon May 18 1992 14:169
    re-1
    
    Kev.....
    
     that was no phantom noter,It was Sal himself...
    
     honest Guv..I saw him do it (and write the note aswell)
    
     SQF Jambo
49.320over 35'sMASALA::GMCDONALDLIGHTMon May 18 1992 14:1919
    Thanks Kev,,,,
      
    
    
               Whats all this about Russel and Gahagan,is there some news
    on them? ,,,,,info please...
    
               If GB is going to sign two such old wingers as Mair and
    Gahagan,it may be that he is going to use them to fill the same
    position,,, ie one winger on the field at a time ..
    
              But I doubt if he will sign Russel as well, that would be
    pushing the boat out a bit to much.
    
              Do you know the date of the Thistle game??
    
    Graeme..
    
            p.s your right about Kennedy...
49.321Have A Listen - He Sings Those Words !PANIC::ANDERSONBye Bye 'PiesMon May 18 1992 15:0510
    
    'Young' Gordon was definitely brilliant in his days with Notts County;
    at least on the days when he felt like playing.
    
    As David Bowie espouses in "Modern Love"....
    
    
    ....put your faith in Gordon Mair....
    
    Rob 
49.322SCOAYR::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthMon May 18 1992 20:2522
    Sal,
    	The Ayrshire Post carried a story last week about Russell being
    freed from Fir Park and that Burley could be interested. The News of
    The Screws yesterday carried the story about Gahagan and quoted Ayr as
    chasing him. Christ , if he can't get a game with Morton , why do we
    want him ?? 
    
    The Partick game is either the 11th or 12th of August. It will probably
    depend on other games in Glasgow. I can see the headlines now.....
    "It will give us a chance to concentrate on our league survival"
    "I'm only 7 or 8 players away from the finished article"
    "Injuries have cost us dear, Peter Weir has missed almost a season"
    
    Aside from AUFC. I went along to Hampden on Saturday to see Heathside
    lift the Scottish Amateur Cup and witnessed a far more entertaining
    game than was played at the same venue the week before. Played in good
    spirit, with end to end action and 2 well taken goals it made a pleasant
    change from the "pass-pass-blooter" of the First Division. I wonder if
    that young boy Jimmy McMillan fancies a trial with the Super U's ?? 
    :-)    (He's 35)
    
    Kev...
49.323PAKORA::GMCDONALDLIGHTTue May 26 1992 03:4712
    
    
           Any news on how the Ayr teams done at the International tourney
    at Rozzelle.
    
          Is there no transfer talk in the local papers or in the Dec
    canteen???
    
    Graeme..
    
    
    
49.324SCOAYR::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthTue May 26 1992 12:546
    
    I"ll find out today how the teams got on. (Advertiser out today)
    
    No transfer talk in the canteen at the moment, all very quiet.
    
    Kev...
49.325away the ladsAYOV14::FHEWITSONBlack And White ArmyTue May 26 1992 13:4718
    SAL,KEV
           Ayr Boswell U 14's (lawrence's team) won the scotland cup.
           
           Ayr utd U18's got to the quarter final stage but got knocked out
    by Dungannon Swifts who won the Scotland cup.
       
           I watched the U18's in there first game and Barry Scott stood
    out amile he's a nippy wee player,we also had a coloured boy playing
    for us at central defence who was outstanding dont know who he was
    though.
    
         Abit of scoop i heard Willie Furphy is going to Falkirk and Greg
    Shaw is going to St Johnstone,I dont know how much though.
         I also heard GB signed a midfielder from an east kilbride team at
    the youth tournement.
    
    Fin........
         
49.326AULD DEPARTS AYR AND MOVES UP.PAKORA::JROWANAUCHINLECK TALBOT, SIMPLY THE BEST.Sun Jun 07 1992 02:577
    Auchinleck Talbot have signed Stewart Auld from Ayr Utd to replace the
    current centre half who is retiring. I remember Auld when he played for
    Pollok and believe he went to Clydebank after the '86 Junior cup final,
    he must have went to Ayr after that. Any info on him guys??.
    
                                         Talbots SQF spy.
    
49.327Auldy retires more like it !AYOV11::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthMon Jun 08 1992 16:5930
    
    Stuart Auld is 33 (approx) and played for Ayr for one season. He was
    with Pollok until '86 as you said and then moved to Clydebank followed
    by a move to Airdrie 2 seasons later. While at Broomfield he suffered
    a punctured lung which kept out for almost a year and effectively ended
    his career. Ayr bought him from Airdrie at the beginning of last season
    and he played about 15-20 games. Latterly he did not figure at all in
    either the first or reserve teams and I don't think he has played since
    February or March. He is a good positional player, not tall for a
    centre-half, but gets up well in the air (perhaps not as good as he
    did) his worst problem is he is dead slow on the ground and a fast
    striker will leave him for dead 9 times out of 10. He is probably best
    remembered at Somerset for a shocking pass-back which let some hoopy
    maggot in to score. :-)
    
    I reckon the Talbot will be lucky to get a full season out of him, as
    the number of games played by the juniors is far more than the senior
    clubs have.
    
    p.s.
    
    >>>>>>	-< AULD DEPARTS AYR AND MOVES UP. >-
    					^^^^^^^^^
    
    Does your boss know your on drugs at your work ????????
    
    :-)
    
    Kev...
    
49.328ALL QUIET ON THE WESTERN FRONTAYOV14::FHEWITSONBlack And White ArmyThu Jun 11 1992 16:2213
    
    Tommy bryce is going back to his old club Clydebank for a nominal fee.
    
    It's all very quiet just now and probably will be till the start of
    July when hopefully we'll see GB making a few signing's before the new
    season gets under way on the 1st of August when were at home to
    Dunfermline and then Meadowbank on the Tuesday night.it wont be long
    till we know the rest of the fixtures.
    
    When are the new strips on sale??????
    
    
    Fin......... 
49.329Here we go!!!!!!EAYV01::LGRACEWalking down the Somerset Road....Mon Jun 15 1992 17:5266
    Well lads here is a copy of our fixtures for Season 92/93,let's
    hope it brings us better fortunes.
    August
    1st  DUNFERMLINE
    4th  MEADOWBANK
    8th  Clydebank
    15th Raith Rovers
    22nd KILMARNOCK*
    29th Hamilton
    
    September
    5th  MORTON
    12th COWDENBEATH
    19th Dumbarton
    26th St.Mirren
    
    October
    3rd  STIRLING ALBION
    10th Dunfermline
    17th CLYDEBANK
    24th Morton
    31st HAMILTON
    
    November
    7th  RAITH ROVERS
    14th Kilmarnock*
    21st DUMBARTON
    28th Cowdenbeath
    
    December
    5th  ST.MIRREN
    12th DUNFERMLINE
    19th Meadowbank
    26th Raith Rovers
     
    January
    2nd  KILMARNOCK*
    16th Hamilton
    23rd MORTON
    26th STIRLING ALBION
    30th Clydebank
    
    February
    13th MEADOWBANK
    20th St.Mirren
    27th Dumbarton
    
    March
    6th  COWDENBEATH
    10th Dunfermline
    13th CLYDEBANK
    20th Kilmarnock*
    27th RAITH ROVERS
    
    April
    3rd  Morton
    10th HAMILTON
    17th Cowdenbeath
    24th DUMBARTON
    
    May
    1st  Meadowbank
    8th  ST.MIRREN
    15th Stirling Albion
    
                                 Cheers
49.330C'MON BOYS..DO US A FAVOUR!!KURMA::RFREWTHEY CALL ME FUD FACEThu Jun 18 1992 16:155
    
      Look boys,
             Instead of wasting your's and the companys time gossiping
     about a second rate bunch of no hopers, do yourselves a favour and
    start supporting a decent club, like ..say..COWDYDEATH!!!!!!!!!1
49.331Bait Snaffled !AYOV16::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthThu Jun 18 1992 17:507
    Moderators,
    	
    Plese move note .330 to it's rightful home
    
    Topic 50 should do.
    
    Kev
49.332 "fud face"EAYV01::BGILCHRISTSat Jun 20 1992 13:503
    
      ref : 49.330
        No wonder thay call you FUD face.
49.333Shares for Sale!!!!!EAYV01::LGRACEWalking down the Somerset Road....Sat Jun 20 1992 14:026
    Did anyone notice the advertisement in Saturday's Daily Record offering
    a large quantity of Ayr United shares for sale.It doesn't give a
    name just a box number to apply to.Does anybody know who is selling?
    Is it Callaghan's shares? It seems strange to advertise them in
    the Record especially when there is an Articles for Sale in the
    Ayrshire Post. :-)
49.334 amatoursPAKORA::CGALLAGHERMon Jun 29 1992 04:425
    Whoever is selling them better be prepared to hold onto them for a very
    long time,because i cant see anyone in there right mind buying them.
    mind you  knowing  the Ayrshire folk there could be more takers than i
    think, but never mind maybe some day they will all see sence.
                                                    col.
49.335hackers on the looseKURMA::GMCDONALDMon Jun 29 1992 06:103
    re-last.  Mmmmmmmmm I wonder who wrote that one.
    
    Graeme.
49.336MADBAS::DREESthe black &amp; white machineFri Jul 03 1992 13:538
    
    Right Suckheads......
    
    who can give me the dates for our pre season friendlies.
    
    Is it still Sunderland,Southampton & Motherwell ???
    
    Del
49.337Burley's BombersMADBAS::DWOODFri Jul 03 1992 18:5116

Del, (Dildo)


	Give us a break...Heathside Amateurs, Drongan or perhaps
	even Civil Service Strollers would be more in line with your 
	teams' capabilities.

	What are Ayr going to do with no Derby game once Kilmarnock
	go into the new super league ?

	They could maybe take on Digital Amateurs in a head to head.
	Sure it would be a tight game.

Dave
49.338AYOV16::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthFri Jul 03 1992 20:4013
    Deldo,
    	
    	I'll hazard a wild guess at the following;
    
    	21st July   Southampton or Sunderland
    	23rd July   Motherwell
    	25th July   Maybole Juniors (prestigous Carrick Speakers Trophy)
    	28th July   Sunderland or Southampton
    
    Probably all wrong of course........
    
    
    Kev.......
49.339AYOV16::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthFri Jul 10 1992 12:5517
    A revised pre-season friendly list;
    
    18th July   (a) Stranraer      Saturday 3pm
    21st July   (h) Southampton    Tuesday  7:30pm
    23rd July   (h) Motherwell     Thursday 7:30pm
    27th July   (a) Glenafton      Monday   ??????  at Ladywell Stadium
    28th July   (h) Sunderland     Tuesday  7:30pm 
    29th July   (a) Maybole        Wednesday ?????  at Ladywell Stadium
    
    Went down last night to get my season ticket (steps back and waits for
    inevitable slaggings......) and the ticket sales don't appear to be
    doing too well compared to last year. I bought last years ticket on the
    7th of June and I was ticket #179. This year I buy it on the 9th of
    July and I'm #71......
    
    
    Kev....
49.340what would you consider a success season ?BLUBUS::DREESthe black &amp; white machineFri Jul 10 1992 17:5718
    
    Ok bears....just 'cause there is nothing happening at Somerset doesn't
    mean we have to lose interest in here. The season starts in approx
    6 weeks...so what would you consider a successful season ?
    
    Lets keep the replies reasonably sensible...ie no smart arse replies
    from the jambo topic...or me old boss..pecker !
    
    
    Last season we finished 6th which was a good improvement on the season
    before. I would like us to make the same improvement again this season
    but to be honest I can't see it. I reckon with the players we have at
    present and the lack of cash to strengthen the side we'll do well to
    finish in the top half of the league. 
    
    A successful season for me would be to see the side again finish at
    worst 6th and to at least once this coming season...beat the filth !    
    Del
49.341AYOV16::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthFri Jul 10 1992 18:1816
    A successful season ?
    
    Whit's that ?
    
    Seriously, this year we will be lucky to retain the heady heights of
    6th spot in the league. One new signing will not make that much of a
    difference, so we have to look to Super Cammy to keep the scores down
    and perhaps Ally Fraser to use some of his potential (what am I saying
    ?????) and provide good crosses for Dobbin to bullet home with his
    case-hardened napper. Beating the Strippet Squirrels would be nice,
    preferably at home on Jan 2 by about 4-0 or so, that's not too much to
    ask is it ?
    
    I'lle settle for 44-48 points and safe before the end of March.
    
    Kev.....
49.342KIRKTN::GMCDONALDHOME BOYMon Jul 13 1992 00:5013
    
       With the transfers of Smith,Bryce,Auld and Brown,also the loss of
    Weir our squad is looking very thin.With this in mind I can't see us
    improving very much at all.
       Maybe the fact that our very young team is all a year older and that
    the best keeper in the division is back from injury we should be more
    positive.
       If we can get kicked out of the B+Q and Skol early we could keep
    fresh legs for the league and maybe pick up some more points.
       But the bottom line is we need cash for players,without it promotion
    will remain a pipe dream..
    
    Graeme..
49.343The Gorgie BOYZ are in TownPAKORA::CPATRICKThe BERMUDA Triangle,spreads FEARMon Jul 13 1992 01:536
    Without trying to upset anyone :-)
    
     you's have about as much as chance of winning promotion as Hearts do
     of winning the EUFA Cup...
    
     SQF Jambo
49.344Cammy DuncanAYOV27::BDOCHERTYMon Jul 13 1992 17:563
    Sal is Cammy Duncan going to be fit for the start of the season the
    talk about here is that he is struggling can you shed any light on
    that.
49.345AYOV11::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthMon Jul 13 1992 19:237
    Cammy will be fit........
    
    
    
    
    
    Kev....
49.346super Cam....MASALA::GMCDONALDHOME BOYTue Jul 14 1992 00:3511
    Billy,
    
            It stated in the "Advertiser" that he looks set to make it for
    the start of the season.Although I wonder just how effective he will be
    after such an indjury.I dont think he will be the same player but time
    will tell.Here's hoping......
           Whats the latest signing news from up the road in Gotham City ?
    Is McClusckey getting a contract or not ?Whats your views on the
    player?
    
                            Graeme....
49.347Chicken GeorgeAYOV27::BDOCHERTYTue Jul 14 1992 12:373
    Sal I beleive at this moment he is still training with Killie but
    whether he has signed a contract or not nobody seems to no.
    
49.348Scissor Hands no more 8-)PAKORA::GMCDONALDHOME BOYFri Jul 17 1992 06:536
    
    
    Heard Purdie is on the list at his own request,what do you all think of
    this latest departure from God's country???
    
    Graeme...
49.3491st blood Ayr.KIRKTN::GMCDONALDHOME BOYSun Jul 19 1992 16:0213
    
             STRANRAER 0  AYR UNITED  3
                           Gardner (2)
                           Graham
    
        Seems like a fairly good result with goals from Danny and Derek's
    favorites ....8-).
        Were any of you there ? If so what was the performance like ,what
    was the team and how did Mair play..?
    
        Graeme..
    
     
49.350First at SomersetAYOV27::SALLENTue Jul 21 1992 20:345
    
     Can someone give a report on tonights game.
    
    
    ... Stevie
49.3512 in a row.MASALA::GMCDONALDHOME BOYWed Jul 22 1992 11:249
    
    
    
           Ayr United  1  Southampton  0
                          
    
    GRA.
    
    
49.352Help - I am not here !!!!!AYOV27::SALLENWed Jul 22 1992 12:063
    Can someone tell me who scored for Ayr and what the team was.
    
    rgds ... Stevie
49.3532 1n 1 row.KIRKTN::GMCDONALDHOME BOYWed Jul 22 1992 12:1613
    
    
    Team... Cammy
            Zico
            McVie
            Furphy
            Nige
            Mair
            McLean
            George
            Gardner
            Walker
            Dobbin     Subs Hood McTurk Shaw,Frazer...Scorer ....Zico.
49.354PRE-SEASON FRIENDLYAYOV16::RMURRAYFri Jul 24 1992 02:083
    
    	AYR 1  MOTHERWELL 2
    
49.355more infoKIRKTN::GMCDONALDHOME BOYSun Jul 26 1992 07:416
    
    
           Can anyone give more details on the Motherwell game??
    
    
                Graeme...
49.356AYOV11::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthMon Jul 27 1992 16:3251
    Ayr's first 3 friendlies are behind them now and 2 wins and a loss is
    about right. 
    
    V Stranraer  3-0  An easy victory for Ayr against a Stranny side
    showing a lot more new signings than Ayr. Danny Diver, Pat Kelly and
    Ex-scumbag Steven Cody all played for Stranraer but looked far from
    fit.  Early play was scrappy with both sides taking time to settle in a
    strong wind and the new passback rule certainly made a difference. 
    Some heavy tackling by Stranraer saw 3 Ayr players requiring treatment
    in the first 20 minutes and Traynor was subbed at half-time after a
    challenge from Butler. Lee Gardner latched onto a through ball from
    Shaggy and his 16 yard effort beat Duffy for the opener after 22
    minutes. Half-time saw the introduction of Tucker,Dobbin Hoody and Zico
    and another fine cross from Gardner found Dobbin with time and space to
    place a header under Duffy for the second.  With seconds left, Gardner
    fired home his second after an excellent series of 1-2's with Howard
    and Tucker. Sanny was so upset with the Stranraer players he ordered
    them back onto the pitch at full-time for extra training. Funniest
    sight had to be a very drunk Bill McWilliams being refused entry and
    then attempting to watch the game by climbing the bandstand outside.
    
    Tuesday saw a similar Ayr side taking the field against Southampton
    at Somerset and an excellent 1-0 victory was the result. Star man for
    me was again Lee Gardner with Shaggy and Mair also having good games.
    Saints were outplayed the first half and as usual a host of subs were
    introduced at half-time. Highlights for me were Duncan George taking
    the pi$$ out of Hurlock, Shaggy playing keepy-uppy through the midfield
    during the build-up to the goal, Zico slamming in the winner and the 
    way Ayr generally played far better than their illustrious (?)
    opponents. Bad points were Southampton's boring "cavalry charge"
    forward at every Ayr break, the performance of the ref, Willie Young
    who was absolutely shocking, and the way the passback rules are being
    "bent" already. Whenever the Saints got an indirect free-kick near
    their own goal, the guy got down and "kneed" the ball back to the
    keeper. A crap crowd of 1700 watched the game.
    
    Thursday brought the first real test when Motherwell arrived. Ayr
    matched them in every way until we scored. Shaggy rounded Nijholt only
    to caught around the ankle as he homed in on goal. He took the penalty
    and slammed it home. Motherwell then stepped up at least one gear and
    for the last 25 minutes had Ayr under real pressure. Cammy had two very
    good saves during this period but was powerless to stop Nijholts
    penalty equaliser after Furphy was adjudged to have fouled Steve
    "Polaris" Kirk. With 2 minutes or so left some clever play left Kirk
    with easiest of chances and he made the final score 2-1 to the 'well   
    
    Sunderland tomorrow night......
    
    
    Kev....
    	
49.357Well how do you DEL BOY ???????? :-)KURMA::DMACKAYI'm a Jambo and proud of itTue Jul 28 1992 05:5216
    
    Hi.......
    
    Ive just popped into this 2nd Division topic to introduce myself.....
    
    My names Dougie and Colin was telling me that this is the topic 
    to get all the banter in ??? well you have to have a sense of humour
    supporting Ayr after all  :-)
    
    I'm just back from Robbos testimonial match against Newcastle,where a 
    crowd of about 17,000 turned up.Do you think you will get that many
    fans in total at all your home games this season. 
    
    TaTaForNow.....
    
    yet another SQF Jambo  
49.358Welcome to the house of fun...:-)MADBAS::DSMITHONE THOMAS BROLIN...Tue Jul 28 1992 11:4114
    
    
    re last
    
           Oh dear, here comes another loony!!!
    
    Welcome to the football note, stick to your own note for discussions
    about average teams always blowing competitions.
    
    ps I'm sitting here glancing through the Daily Rangers. Attendance last 
    night was 11,105, 4,000 up on Saturdays attendance against Spurs. Just
    where did you get 17,000 from? 
    
     Danny.
49.359MADBAS::DREESthe black &amp; white machineTue Jul 28 1992 12:007
49.360Mumbo JamboAYOV16::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthTue Jul 28 1992 12:5324
    re .357 
    									
    >>>   Ive just popped into this 2nd Division topic to introduce myself.....
    				 ^^^^^^^^^^^^
    Oh dear, another of those nice Hearts supporters has strayed into a
    football topic to display his vast knowledge of the game......
     
    >>>    My names Dougie and Colin 
   
    One name not good enough for you ?????
     
    >>>I'm just back from Robbos testimonial match against Newcastle,where a 
    >>>crowd of about 17,000 turned up.
    		      ^^^^^^
    How many millions and millions of times have you been told not to
    exaggerate ????
    
    Banter ?
    
    Whit's that ?
    
    Kev.......;-)
    
    
49.361MADBAS::DREESthe black &amp; white machineTue Jul 28 1992 13:399
    
    Mod,
         re. 359 ....let me explain...
    
    Here on the west coast the name Dougie (or Doogie) is slang for
    the private parts of the male anatomy. I just felt he was well
    named. :-)
    
    Del
49.362were on the way to HampdenPAKORA::CPATRICKShould I Stay'or'Should I GoTue Jul 28 1992 23:4917
    Howdy troops.....and Danny,Kev and Del.... :-)
    
    well how goes it...are you's ready for another season of goodwill
    and banter ????
    
    as for the attendance at the wee man's testimonial last night,I could
    swear there was more than a crowd of 11,000ish .........maybe 
    WallARSE Mercer pocketed some for himself.........
    
    SQF Jambo...
    
    
     P.S......
    
     I'm to blame for Dougies note,so don't be too hard on him,till he
     finds out how to note properly
    
49.363KURMA::GMCDONALDhome boyWed Jul 29 1992 02:4910
    
    
               Ayr United  0  Sunderland  0
    
    It seems 2 trialists made their debuts with Ayr tonight.
    
    The lucky guys were Graeme Robertson ex Partick and Ron McQuiltter ex
    Gotham...By all accounts they did well.
    
       Gra..
49.364The team that gave us Batman & Catwoman (Coisty)PAKORA::JJACKWed Jul 29 1992 07:586
    
    Sal
    
    Is that McQuiltter ex-Gotham City ?
    
    
49.365AYOV16::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthWed Jul 29 1992 12:5643
    
    Ayr United 0 - 0 Sunderland
    
    The score does not reflect either the balance of play or the action in
    the game. Sunderland deserved to win on the night but poor finishing
    and 3 *excellent* saves by Cammy kept the scoresheets blank. Ayr
    fielded Graeme Robertson at right-back and Ronnie McQuilter at
    centre-half. Both had been arranged as trialists with a view to
    signing in place of the White Brazilian but it appears Furphy has
    signed a month's contract so how the situation will progress, we will
    have to wait and see. On the showing last night and in his games for
    the Maryhill Magyars, I would sign Robertson as he is a free agent and
    after Howard was subbed last night he moved in as sweeper between the
    Furph and Hoody and played really well. McDuvet , I'm not sure about,
    he is two-footed but his passing was pretty bad, mind you , it might
    take a while before his dreadful experience in Never-Never Land wears
    off.
    
    Sunderland started very fast and almost scored in the first attack but
    Cammy brought off an excellent stop to concede a corner. Ayr fell
    foul of the updated pass-back rules when Agnew deliberatley headed to
    Cammy who picked it up almost on the byeline and gave away a fruitless
    free-kick. A lot of midfield play involving Gardner (who is expected to
    sign a month's full-time contract) and George and some North of England
    thug called Gary Owers would surely have resulted in the yellow card
    being shown had it not been a friendly. This guy Owers is a complete
    headcase and I would reckon 80% of the fouls committed by S'land were
    by this tube. I was glad when he was subbed. Little else to report on
    the game except for Cammy's saves and a last-ditch Paul McLean tackle in
    the last minute to deny Byrne who only had to roll the ball into an
    empty net after Cammy had ran out to challenge a through ball and
    missed. Oh Aye, and John Colquhoun is a diving wee turd.
    
    Team; Duncan,Robertson,Agnew,Furphy,Howard,McQuilter,George,Walker,
    	  Graham,Gardner,Mair.  Subs, Hood,McLean 
    
    Davie Kennedy has signed a 1-year part-time contract and Shaggy is
    expected to do likewise when he comes back his holidays.	
    
    The pups lost 2-1 to the Glens on Monday night. They play Maybole
    tonight and Kello on Monday.
    
    Kev...
49.366MADBAS::DREESthe black &amp; white machineWed Jul 29 1992 17:3214
    
    I would like to see us sign Robertson. He's never been outstanding
    but he is a solid/no frills style full back who'll do a good job
    in the 1st Div. Don't know about McQuilter though. Although Agnew was
    a gift from Gotham, McQuilter isn't in the same class and although he's
    two footed he is also very slow. 
    
    Bring on The Pars...
    
    Del.
    
    ps. Any predictions for Saturday
    
    
49.367Right intae yer ribs !AYOV16::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthWed Jul 29 1992 19:3433
    re. 366
    
>>MADBAS::DREES "the black & white machine"            14 lines  29-JUL-1992 13:32
    
    >>    I would like to see us sign Robertson. He's never been outstanding
      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    I'd like to see you at a game !
    
    >>  Don't know about McQuilter though. Although Agnew was
    
    I'm not surprised you don't know about McDuvet, you've never even seen
    him !
    
    >> McQuilter isn't in the same class and although he's
    >>two footed he is also very slow. 
    
    How do you know he's slow ? You been conversing with squirrels ?
    
    
    >>ps. Any predictions for Saturday
    
    Aye, the ground will be fairly empty. We will all be wearing black &
    white. It will be a close game and.......
    
    You won't know the score until you see it on the telly !
    
    Altogether now......
    
    PART-TIME SUPPORTER ,YOUR JUST A PART-TIME SUPPORTER !
    
    ;-)
    
    Kev...
49.368Dirty Del doesit again!! ;-)KIRKTN::GMCDONALDhome boyThu Jul 30 1992 01:0614
    
    
    
     I have a feeling that we'll do the work on Sat. I'll stick my neck out
    and go for 1-0 ,2-1  the Giants..
    
    As for Del, if I can make a 140 round trip ,he must be able to stagger
    the 200yds or so from his house.Or will he be supping ale at the Hunter
    Bowl...mmmmmmm..
    
    
    Horse Shoe bar at 2pm okay with you Kev.
    
    Gra...
49.369hard times for honest men :-)KIRKTN::CPATRICKTheres only one team in AyrshireThu Jul 30 1992 03:4424
    
    Hello fellow space cadets...
    
    Read an interesting article in tonights Evening News about football
    in Ayrshire or rather the lack of it.
    the 2 page article was mostly centered on Kilmarnock,but Ayr Utd did
    manage to reserve a paragragh.It seems that us boys in the big city
    have been oblivious to what has been happening to the Killie.
    The reporter (I cant remember his name) but he was really gunning for
    the Killie to be allowed to join the super league as they were the only
    team in Ayrshire who could be relied upon to attract non-ridiculious
    crowds.
    The article went on to say that Ayr were known in the football circle
    as the Artic Pole,everyone knows where it is but no one wants to go
    there.
    As the wind of change sweeps through Edinburgh and ground sharing seems
    inevatable,would'nt it be constructive for Ayr Utd to play there home
    games at Kilmarnocks training pitch.
    So as the season approaches,I wish to send my sincere good wishes to
    both clubs and I'll be keeping my eyes on both ends of the league to
    see how yous are doing and to judge for myself who is No 1 in Ayrshire.
    
    
    SQF Jambo  
49.370duff or bluff ???MADBAS::DREESthe black &amp; white machineThu Jul 30 1992 11:2617
    
    re.367
    
    Kev, forget all these questions about the footy..what the boys really
    want to know is....
    
    Did you or didn't you...nudge nudge wink wink say no more....
    
    Did you muffle the duffle ???
    
    If you don't give us an answer..I'm popping my head over the divide
    between us and finance and asking myself...!!!
    
    ps. We have signed Robertson on a month's contract....whoopee
    
    Del
                              
49.371ZippedAYOV16::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthThu Jul 30 1992 13:489
    Sal,
    	 2pm sounds Ok to me. 
    
    
    Del,
    
    You are being ignored.....
    
    End Of Story.
49.372more defenders than Gotham have keepers.KIRKTN::GMCDONALDhome boyFri Jul 31 1992 06:128
    Kev,
    
        What about this guy McQuilter ,do you think that GB will offer him
    a contract,if so does this mean the end for Furphy? Also what do you
    think the reason was for only signing Robertson on a one month
    contract?
    
            Graeme
49.373AYOV16::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthFri Jul 31 1992 12:4215
    Sal,
    	Last night's Leader says "he will be talking to both" but I've been
    told that McQuilter is leaving the country soon so I don't think he'll
    be signing. Furphy is , and always has been a first-choice but when he
    had not signed, Burley had to bring in someone who could cover. Furphy
    had been given a *substantial* rise in basic wages but is holding out
    from signing for 1 or 2 years because he wants a signing on fee as
    well.
    	We have signed Robertson on a months contract because that is how
    long Furphy has signed for and it will give Burley an option if Furphy
    won't sign another contract. But if Furphy does sign we don't need
    another fullback/sweeper. We already have Kennedy,Traynor,Agnew,McVie
    Burley,Howard and possibly Furphy.
    
    Kev.... 
49.374Midtable...PAKORA::GMCDONALDAyr's a toon wha nain surpasses!Sat Aug 01 1992 23:4437
           Ayr United 1   Dumfermline Athletic   1
             Mair             Kenedy o.g
    
            I suppose this is not a bad start to the season,but realy Ayr
    should have had both points.Dumferline controled the 1st half with
    power rather than skill and in true Dumfermline style were kicking
    everything that moved.The best chance in the 1st half fell to Robrtson 
    of Ayr who shot high and in the corner but Hamilton in the Pars goal
    got to it.Dumfermline had taken the lead about 10mins earlier,and the
    goal was a total nightmare for Ayr ,all Kenedy had to do was dip his
    head and the cross would have ended up in ths stand.Instead he stuck
    out his head ,,,and boom top corner with Cammy all at sea.
            Shortly after the baffon was sent of along with McWilliams for 
    streetfighting!!
            The 2nd half was all Ayr with Graham missing several before
    McTurk shaved the post with a 20 yarder.Then came the goal ,good work
    from Robertson saw the ball spinning out to Mair at the corner of the 
    box who let loose with a first time shot into the keepers bottom left
    corner.
            BTW Dumfrmline waisted about 10 mins with fake injuries....
    
    Duncan ***  Poor by his own standards
    Robertson *** Poor passer but invlved all the time ,should sign him..
    Agnew ***    looked unfit but still gave his all...
    Furphy ****  Great game ,,strolled it...
    Howard ****   "    "        "       "
    Kenedy *     NIGHTMARE
    Gardner ***  A lot better..But needs to give more...
    George  ***  Not his greatest match,,tackled well..
    Mair   ****  MOM..quite firt half ,great 2nd half ,,a good player.
    Walker **    Usual.
    Graham **    Usual.
    
    Subs. McTurk ** looked lost at times ,good pace ,unlucky with 20
    yarder.
          Hood ? not used....        Crowd terrible  around 2,500
        
49.375B&Q CUPAYOV17::BDOCHERTYSun Aug 02 1992 13:261
    Gentlemen good any of you tell me if there is a B&Q Cup this year.
49.376PAKORA::SNEILI tot I tor a puddie catSun Aug 02 1992 14:034
    
    There sure is..First round on September 29th
    
    SCott
49.377PAKORA::GMCDONALDAyr's a toon wha nain surpasses!Tue Aug 04 1992 13:224
    
       Any predictions for the game tonight lads,I'll go for 1-0,2-0 Utd.
    
       
49.378AYOV11::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthTue Aug 04 1992 19:285
    2-0 to the Paint-Spattered United.
    
    
    
    Kev...
49.379AYOV11::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthWed Aug 05 1992 15:137
    Here is the report on last night's miserable 2-1 defeat from MTFC.
    
    We were crap, they weren't.
    
    End of Story.
    
    A rather upset Kev of AYO.....
49.380Meadowbank - top of the leagueGALVIA::SPAINThere's always the U.S.Wed Aug 05 1992 15:325
    
    2 away wins in our first 2 matches.  Somebody has to bring some success
    to the capital.
    
    Gary.  
49.381AYOV11::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthWed Aug 05 1992 18:5910
    Gary,
    
    What's with the affinity for MTFC ?  They don't have much going for
    them (granted, probably more on the playing field at the moment than
    AUFC), what with a hard core of 100 supporters, about 20 of which do
    any travelling,a terrible stadium where everyone hates to go (fans and
    players alike)no atmosphere at games, and an unmistakeably boring style
    of football. Is is a fashionably "unfashionable" thing to do or what ??
    
    Kev... 
49.382black and gold foreverGALVIA::SPAINThere's always the U.S.Wed Aug 05 1992 19:4716
    
    Kev, it probably because it's unfashionable.  Everyone here seems to support
    either Celtic or Rangers (mainly Celtic in Galway).  I've had a soft
    spot for them since they came into the league erspecially as they used
    to have a name like Ferranti Thistle which was really nice.
    
    I've never seen them play but I hope to get across someday.
    
    Thistle have a habit of being involved in the promotion or relegation
    battles.  For something like the first 14 seasons they were never
    outside the top 4 or bottom 4 of their respective division at the
    finish.  They're still the last capital club to have won a championship
    (albeit the 2nd division).
    
    
    Gary.
49.383AYOV16::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthWed Aug 05 1992 20:0112
    Gary,
    
    I thought it would be the unfashionable bit that appealed to you. Their
    own support are some of the weirdest guys your ever likely to meet.
    They hold some of their players in cult status and although there is
    not many of them, they manage to support 2 fanzines (2 more than AUFC I
    might add). They seem to attract a lot of student types as fans as well
    
    If you do manage to get over for a game, you could come to Ayr for it.
    It would be less travelling. They visit again on the 13th of Feb 1993.
    
    Kev... 
49.38418 certificate 8-))KIRKTN::DMCCALLOBSERVING THE HYPOCRITESWed Aug 05 1992 20:0515
    
    
    Gary ,
    
    
          Did you know that Derek Grant of MTFC works at SQF in the stores
    
           also ( and I dont mean this as a swipe ) but I can get my mitts
           
           on the 0-8 thrashing by Killie on  home video two years ago..
    
    
         SQF Killie....
    
    ps: dont watch alone
49.385so many goals I lost countKIRKTN::DMCCALLOBSERVING THE HYPOCRITESWed Aug 05 1992 20:088
    
    re:last
    
    make that score 1-8 
    
    
    SQF Killie
    
49.386If I could turn back time!!KIRKTN::GMCDONALDHONEST MEN AND BONNIE LASSIESWed Aug 05 1992 21:558
     
    
    Re.last  Mmmmmmmmmmm, yes, much the same as the 7-0 dooing the GIANTS
    of Ayrshire gave them last season....    ;^).
    
                 SQF HONEST MAN..
    
      
49.387were back on the rails againMASALA::CPATRICKShould I Stay'or Should I goThu Aug 06 1992 14:2211
    
    Well Well Well......
    
    The Mighty Ayr Utd get beat at home by the Superb Meadowbank Thistle.
    This doesn't really surprise me as they are the 2nd best team in
    Edinburgh after the Jambo's that is......
    
    as far as I can see,Kilmarnock are the only team in Ayrshire who might
    be capable of maybe snatching a point from the Thistle this season...
    
    SQF Jambo
49.388MADBAS::DREESthe black &amp; white machineThu Aug 06 1992 14:396
    
    
    At least one of the Edinburgh sides can come to the west coast
    and win..... :-)
    
    Del
49.389hello hello,we are the GORGIE BOYZMASALA::CPATRICKShould I Stay'or Should I goThu Aug 06 1992 14:469
    re-1...
    
    del...Didn't the Scum from leith knock YOU's out of the League Cup 2-0
    last season.So by my reckoning,thats 2 Edinburgh sides who have
    travelled to the west coast in the last year and WON.  :-)
    
    
    
    SQF Jambo
49.390MADBAS::DREESthe black &amp; white machineThu Aug 06 1992 14:539
     
    
    Your right Colin...
    
    Meadowbank and Hibs have both proved they can win on the west coast...
    
    whereas the Hearts...they just crap themselves everytime...:-)
    
    Del.
49.391hey heyPAKORA::CPATRICKShould I Stay'or Should I goThu Aug 06 1992 15:4512
    re-1..
    
    del,
        I'm sure we would'nt crap ourselves against 1st division crap like
    yous.....
    
    SQF Jambo...
    
    B.T.W.
    
    sal,says yous have set up a SQF Jambo supporters club in your local bar
    the horse shoe and that I will be welcome there anytime.  ;-)
49.392MADBAS::DREESthe black &amp; white machineThu Aug 06 1992 16:398
    
    Yeh...we've set up a SQFjambo's supporters club in the horse....
    
    it's the first cubicle to the left of the ribbed johnny machine...
    I hear you like a tight squeeze !!!!
    
    Del.
    
49.393here we goPAKORA::CPATRICKShould I Stay'or Should I goThu Aug 06 1992 17:3912
    Del,
    
    from what you say,I take it that I would be more than welcome to visit
    the Horse and leave in 1 peice....... :-)
    
     SQF Jambo...
    
    P.S.
    
    We're holding a STAG night for Sal on the 18th August,with Exotic
    dancers,you are more than welcome to come along and we'll show you the
    big City.
49.394CAN WE WIN IT THIS TIMEAYOV14::FHEWITSONBlack And White ArmyThu Aug 06 1992 20:503
    
    
    Was the draw for the B,Q not made today.
49.395KIRKTN::CPATRICKShould I Stay'or Should I goThu Aug 06 1992 21:066
    re "can we win it this time"
    
    
     NO
    
     SQF Jambo
49.396GALVIA::SPAINThere's always the U.S.Thu Aug 06 1992 21:504
    
    Thanks for all the info on Meadowbank.
    
    Gary.
49.397A tough oneAYOV17::FHEWITSONBlack And White ArmyFri Aug 07 1992 11:394
    
    
    
    Ayr utd will play St mirren in the B,Q CUP on sept 29th at somerset.
49.398if you hate St Mirren KIRKTN::CPATRICKA Sausage Supper and A bottle PILS PleaseFri Aug 07 1992 12:316
    RE-1
    
    Lets hope you can beat those Paisley barstewards........
    
    
    SQF Jambo
49.399MADBAS::DREESRelegation....??Fri Aug 07 1992 15:515
    
    Oh jolly.....the B&Q Cup...yawn 
    
    Del.
    
49.400come on lads........biteMASALA::CPATRICKA Sausage Supper &amp; a Bottle PILSFri Aug 07 1992 17:3315
49.401Stuart Auld "Pure Class"PAKORA::JROWANAUCHINLECK TALBOT, SIMPLY THE BEST.Wed Aug 12 1992 05:235
    Having now watched Stuart Auld play for Auchinleck three times Ayr must
    have a really good centre half who kept Auld out of the team.
    The man is class both in the air and the ground, yes, another great
    signing for the Talbot.
    
49.402Stuart AuldAYOV27::SALLENWed Aug 12 1992 12:337
    Stuart Auld is no longer good enough in the air nor on the ground to
    play senior football. Ask any Ayr fan who has watched him over the last
    two seasons. He filled a gap at Ayr when we needed him and good luck to
    him in the junior ranks.
    
    
    Stevie
49.403Glorious start!!!!!AYOV14::LGRACEWed Aug 12 1992 13:312
    Partick Thistle 2 Ayr 0
    Anybody suprised!!!!!!!!
49.404MADBAS::DREESRelegation....??Wed Aug 12 1992 15:384
    
    Yup, I'm surprised it wisnae 4 or 5 !!!!
    
    Del.
49.405Auldie wasn't the worst !!!!MASALA::GMCDONALDHONEST MEN AND BONNIE LASSIESThu Aug 13 1992 06:1513
    rep 401..
    
    
                Jimmy, I think I told you Auld would be a great junior .
    IMHO he would make a great div 2 stopper.His only weakness is against
    a small fast forward ,which the 1st div is full of.
                He was also a lot better than what we have at the moment
    for set pieces and scored 2 or 3 good goals for the Giants,including a
    cracker at Gotham..
                                     SQF HONEST MAN.
    
    P.S another good freebee coming up is Ally Frazer...(sooner rather than
    later )..
49.406have I been sent to CoventryPAKORA::CPATRICKA Sausage Supper &amp; a Bottle PILSFri Aug 14 1992 09:179
    Allo Troops....
    
    I was wondering if you could help me out here !!!
    
     I did'nt manage to catch the full draw for the next round of
     the SKOL cup and I was wondering if maybe you could tell me
     who you's are playing.
    
    SQF Jambo
49.407Down and nearly out 8-(MASALA::GMCDONALDHONEST MEN AND BONNIE LASSIESSun Aug 16 1992 00:529
     
             Raith Rovs  1  Ayr United  0
    
    
            Another game in which we failed to score .
    
            Kev,what was the team and how did they play ?
    
                        Gra...
49.408Cuddly SidKIRKTN::CPATRICKA Sausage Supper &amp; a Bottle PILSSun Aug 16 1992 07:268
    
    
    
       I feel its time to call it quits with all you Ayr fans,I have been
    a very bad boy over the last 6 months ,so its sorry with lots of
    kisses...SSSSmmmmmmooooooottttcccccchhhhhhh.
    
     SQF JAMBO
49.409MASALA::SWRIGHTSun Aug 16 1992 09:324
    Sid,
       That Curry must have gone to your head.....!!!!
    
    Boris.
49.410third from bottom already !AYOV16::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthMon Aug 17 1992 15:1224
    Raith 1-0 Ayr
    
    A bit more encouraging to watch than Tuesday's gubbing at Firhill. Ayr
    created a lot of chances in the first half and early in the second but
    failed to convert any of them. Tucker had the best chance when he shot
    straight at Tom Carson in the Raith goal and Walker had a goal chalked
    off for an alleged foul by Dobbin on the keeper. A poor punched
    clearance at a corner saw the ball fall to Brewster 20 yards out and he
    fired through a crowded penalty area into the far corner for the only
    goal after 72 minutes. Cammy had a couple of good stops and a fantastic
    leaping save to stop a McStay free-kick which was a homer all the way.
    
    Team;
    Duncan,Kennedy,McVie,Furphy,Howard,Robertson,Traynor,Walker,Graham,George
    and McTurk. Subs, Shaw and Hood.  Shaw on for Tucker after 60 odd mins.
    
    Best for Ayr were Robertson (we *MUST* sign him), McVie and McTurk.
    Poor displays from Traynor and Howard. Big Ally did not look fit
    either.  
    
    A prediction for saturday is 2-0 to Kilmarnock. (God, it hurt typing
    that)
    
    Kev..... 
49.411Bring on the Killie......MADBAS::DSMITHONE THOMAS BROLIN...Wed Aug 19 1992 21:4318
    
    
     I attended the first game of the season against Dunfermline and left
    thinking that Ayr played reasonably well and deserved at least the
    point they got. Later that night I jetted off to sunnier climes for my
    holibags. Imagine my surprise to return home 2 weeks later and noticed
    that the black and white machine had still to win a game! To make
    matters worse, they had lost at home to the mighty Meadowbank.
    
     However, on reflection, it's still basically the same team as last
    year. They weren't good enough then to maintain a challenge at the top,
    they won't be good enough this season either.
    
     Hopefully there will be an improvement against Killie on saturday, but
    I can't see it. Thankfully I'll be out golfing then so I won't see the 
    gubbing that we'll probably get!!
    
     Danny... (another part-time supporter this season!)
49.412A Bonnie Lassie (yes) but him an honest manPAKORA::DMCCALLOBSERVING THE HYPOCRITESFri Aug 21 1992 16:4320
    
    
    
    Sal,
    
        Best of luck on your big day tommorow.....hope everything goes
    according to plan ( except the obvious )...
    
    Like "any" derby the form book goes out the window, however with Ayr's
    goal tally not to clever....
    
    
    You've got a better chance of scoring tommorow at midnight...
    
    and we ALL know the state you'll be in  8-)))))))
    
    
    
    
    SQF Killie...
49.413Easy Easy EasyAYOV11::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthMon Aug 24 1992 12:4924
    Ayr United 2 -0 Kilmarnock.
    
    A fairly easy victory against a lacklustre Kilmarnock who suffered from
    all the hype given to their Skol Cup victory against Hibs. Played in
    terrible conditions, the game was never going to be a classic
    especially with Les Mottram as a referee in a very over-zealous yellow
    card using mood. Kilmarnock did not force Duncan to make one save
    during 90 minutes, but the problems which cost them they game lay at
    the back where Tait looked like little-boy-lost playing against Ally
    Graham and Montgomerie chose Saturday to have his worst game of the
    season (so I'm told). There is no way Killie can hope to tackle an
    aerial threat with a centre-half like Tait. He wouldn't make a good
    centre for a doughnut let alone a football team. Kennedy's goal was 
    well-taken altough I'm inclined to think it was more of a "flick-on"
    than an attempt. Still , Tom Black couldn't clear it and the ball ended
    up nestling behind Geddes. The second goal was a personal nightmare
    for Monty when , after good work by Agnew down the left, he deflected
    Garry's shot past the despairing Geddes and into the net for Ayr's
    second in 51 mins. Ally Graham contrived to miss from 2 yards and
    Traynor was unlucky with a lob from 40 yards. All-in-all a good
    performance with Robertson outstanding in defence again. Only bad
    points were the 5 bookings , which I felt were a bit harsh.
    
    Kev....  
49.414At last a win.....MADBAS::DSMITHONE THOMAS BROLIN...Mon Aug 24 1992 17:2113
    
    
     Well troops, I retired from the golf after 12 holes on saturday, cold
    very wet and miserable. I then tuned in to Worst Sound and immediately
    my spirits were lifted with a match report from Somerset. Why didn't I
    go, our first win over Killie in 6 attempts and I wasn't there.
    
     Kev, what was the team on Saturday, who did and didn't do well?
    
    ps Your report was very humdrum Kev, I expected a more glowing report
    on the boys performance, a few words of pity for the afflicted etc!
    
     Danny.
49.415AYOV16::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthMon Aug 24 1992 20:0823
    Team;	Duncan 		*** Never tested throughout the 90 mins
    		Kennedy        **** Marked Carpet Burns out of the game
    		Agnew		*** Tireless running on the left as usual
    		Furphy         **** Back to his old self.
    		Howard		*** Solid enough but weak in the air
    		Robertson      **** Star man again. 
    		Traynor	        *** Fairly quiet but did nothing wrong
    		Walker		*** Full of running. Pulled Monty to bits
    		Graham         **** Won everything against Tait.
    		George		*** Solid as usual. Fierce tackling
    		McTurk		*** Fairly Quiet. One attempt in 1st half.
    
    		Shaw		 ** Little time to impress.
    		Mair                Unused.
    
    The reason the match report was fairly bland is because there are at
    least 3 more Derby games this season and while putting Killie to the 
    sword on Saturday was very enjoyable, mouthing off about it might be
    a bit embarrassing if we get gubbed next time around. The Killie noters
    who were at the game will know how badly their team played without me 
    slagging them off in here.
    
    Kev,....   
49.416One team in Ayrshire...for the moment.AYOV17::LGRACETue Aug 25 1992 12:3826
    Kev,I think you are a bit generous to Traynor saying that he did
    nothing wrong.I thought he had a stinker,his crossing was poor and
    he was caught out of position several times in the 1st half.He almost
    gift wrapped a goal for Killie when he headed a Killie cross straight 
    into the middle of the area and into the path of a Killie player.Anyway
    apart from Traynor I think your assesment was spot on.Gaz Agnew still
    looked a bit unfit but still put in a good performance but Nigel Howard
    gives you heart attacks every time he goes for a high ball as you don't
    know where it is going to end.I am one of Ally Graham's critics and
    despite a gutsy performance from him on Saturday , I still have to ask!
    What about that miss? no striker should miss a chance like that.If the
    scoreline had been 0-0 at the time I think more people would have
    echoed my feelings instead it was a case of "hard luck Ally",rubbish
    he should have buried it.I was also suprised to see McTurk going off as
    I thought he played well and although psycho Walker did well also I
    thought Tommy was heading for a red card,his determination and
    committment is unquestionable but he does go over the top now and
    then!! Anyway a great result but as you say Kev there is three more
    Derby games to go so let's quietly enjoy this moment.
                             Lawrence
    P.S I don't believe it!!! I have just read in today's Sun that we have
    signed a 35 year old Centre Half called Malcolm Shotton from non-league
    Frickley.Apparently we have pulled him out of semi-retirement,he played
    over 400 games for Hull City but got freed after Dale Roberts left.It
    states that Dale Roberts persuaded Burley to sign him.What's your views
    on this one lads?
49.417Youth coachMADBAS::DSMITHONE THOMAS BROLIN...Tue Aug 25 1992 15:0611
    
    
    re last,
    
    Anything you read in that rag should be taken with a bucket of salt.
    If the story is true, I can only imagine Burley is bringing him in
    as a coach for the youngsters as John Connelly, last years coach has
    packed it in due to pressures of work. I don't think we'll be seeing
    him challenging for a first team place.
    
     Danny...
49.418Malcolm who????????????AYOV14::LGRACETue Aug 25 1992 15:347
    Re last
    This latest signing isn't going to be a youth coach as they have
    already filled John Connolly's position.I imagine that he must be
    getting signed as cover for Howard but even that is odd as we a few
    players currently at the club who filled in at Centre Half and I don't
    suppose they would bring him all the way up here to play for the 
    reserves every week.
49.419AYOV16::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthWed Aug 26 1992 12:4710
    This guy Shotton has not been signed yet. It was expected that he would
    play last night in the reserves against Albion Rovers (1-1, Hood scored
    by the way) but I still find it rather odd that we are even thinking
    about someone that old. 
    
    P.s. Lawrwence, you're right, I forgot about Traynors crap "clearance".
    It's amazing how drink can still affect your memory 2 days later ;-)
    
    
    Kev....
49.420AYOV11::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthMon Aug 31 1992 13:0325
    Two games over the weekend saw Ayr draw one and win one. Saturday's
    point at Hamilton was very luckily obtained although the Accies took
    until 3 mins from the end before their pressure told. Hamilton had the
    best of the first half but it was Ayr who almost scored when Ferguson
    could only parry a shot into the path of McTurk who blasted the ball
    off the bar from 5 yards. Ayr came more into the game nearer half-time
    and a good deep cross from Walker found Super Ally unmarked at the back
    post and he steered a header across goal and in at the far post after
    42 minutes. Hamilton had a goal chalked off for a foul on the keeper
    but the writing was on the wall when Duncan was forced into 2
    outstanding saves to deny McDonald an equaliser. Ayr brought on Mair
    after 50 mins for the injured McTurk but unbeleivably they subbed him
    with 14 mins left. In the time he was on the park (26 mins) he touched
    the ball no more than 5 times. Shaw came on and almost scored straight
    away. Walker forced Ferguson into conceding a corner and Shaw fired the
    loose ball over the bar. Minutes later it was 1-1 when Traynor was
    shafted at right-back for the 23 rd time by McDonald and his cross was
    headed home by Gary Clark.
    
    On Sunday Ayr travelled to Girvan for the Ayrshire semi and ran out 6-0
    winners with Annbank striker Jimmy Carse firing a hat-trick and hitting
    the bar and post. Ayr fielded Willie Spence ex Clydebank in nets and
    Robert White ex St Mirren in defence. 
    
    Kev...
49.421Burley's BOOB...MADBAS::DSMITHONE THOMAS BROLIN...Mon Aug 31 1992 14:0521
    
    
     I suppose we should be happy with a point from Hamilton, but after
    a fairly good first half Ayr fell to pieces after the break. McTurk
    blasted over from 5 yards, we had a couple of half-chances before Ally
    left Fat Sumo Rae marking space to score with a well directed header.
    Accies hadn't really threatened too often in the first 45. The 2nd half
    was a disaster for Ayr and we were lucky only to concede one. In my
    opinion some of the blame must go to Burley. He took McTurk off from
    right midfield and replaced him with Maher who proceeded to play on the
    left. Every Hamilton move after that went down the left (Ayr's right)
    as no-one was covering the middle of the park. Traynor had a total
    nightmare at full-back and as Kev so eloquently said, was shafted
    umpteen times by MacDonald, eventually leading to their goal.
    
     Cammy Duncan had a couple of brilliant saves and generally looked very
    impressive and confident, especially with high balls into the box. The
    midfield was non-existant in the 2nd half, leaving the defence with an
    awful lot of work to do. 
    
     Danny...
49.422WHITE ???AYOV27::SALLENMon Aug 31 1992 15:584
    What is known of Robert White.
    
    
    .. Stevie
49.423mistaken identityAYOU18::JHILLTue Sep 01 1992 14:068
    
    He builds COBRA systems in stage 2 :-) :-)
    
    
    
    
    
    
49.424FURPHERINO NO MOREAYOV14::FHEWITSONBlack And White ArmyWed Sep 02 1992 12:0514
    
    
    Willie furphy and Lee Gardener were both given free transfers on
    monday.
    
    Furphy was offered a month's contract but knocked it back.
    
    it also looks as though GB is set to sign Malcolm Shotten who GB says
    is pretty fit (nothing like Gordon Strachan though)and FAT willie
    spence, for cover for super Cammy.
    
    
    whats the verdict on all of this lads
    
49.425End is nigh!!!!!!!AYOV14::LGRACEWed Sep 02 1992 14:3014
    Re last.
    I just don't understand what is going on at Somerset.How can we justify
    giving one of our few assets a "Free" transfer.I know that there wasn't
    any offers but maybe our asking price was too high,we should be getting
    something for him even 10,000 is better than nothing.As for Gardiner
    his problem is that he thinks he is too good for Ayr just because he
    played for Aberdeen RESERVES,he showed up well during pre season
    matches but he still isn't good enough for Premier football.I agree
    with Burley's idea that if you don't want to play for Ayr then go,but
    at the same time we need to sell players not give them away.I wouldn't
    be suprised if Furphy is snapped up by the Baghdad boys as they have 
    been long admirers of him,it's time the fans let their opinions be
    known to directors of this club as they are pulling us under.
                     One slightly pissed off United fan
49.426AYOV11::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthWed Sep 02 1992 16:2023
    The problem with asking the fans to boycott/barrack/complain is that
    the apathy in the boardroom has also affected the terraces. Remember a
    couple of years back when a walkout was planned for a game against
    Forfar. It never materialised and the board laughed in our faces. Then
    there was Loudon's farcical comments at a supporter's do when he said
    that paying money to watch the team did not mean you could voice an
    opinion at a match. We have taken so much crap from them in the past
    they take it for granted that they can do anything and the fans will
    accept it. Pressure from the fans brought about change at Brockville
    and Devastation City but unless we do are seen to care about the club
    then the board will continue to make ludicrous decisions which will
    inevitably spell the end for Ayr as a football club. And while I'm at
    it, Burley should pack his backs and get lost as his tactical decisions
    during this season have been nothing short of ridiculous. To watch
    Traynor on Saturday get turned inside out for 45 minutes solid was
    painful, yet not one comment was made in the press about that or the
    daft substitution of Mair on for McTurk and then Shaw on for Mair.
    Crazy does not describe it ! 
    
    Give the captaincy to Robertson and the managers chair to Roberts.
    
    
    Kev...
49.427MADBAS::DREESRelegation....??Wed Sep 02 1992 16:2914
    
    Thats it...I'll noooooooo be back.
    
    The White Brazilian has been our most consistent player for seasons,
    so we free him. Confused...I certainly am.
    
    I guess now that I've bought a house in Gotham there's only one 
    thing left to do..
    
    I'm joining the Baghdad Boys...
    
    Del. AYOkillie
    
    
49.428Sick as the proverbial parrot...MADBAS::DSMITHONE THOMAS BROLIN...Wed Sep 02 1992 16:5328
    
    
      Freeing Furphy, who has been our most consistent player for the past
     5 seasons or so, proves to me that there is no ambition among the so
     called directors at Somerset Park. Furphy was the club captain at the
     beginning of the season when his contract was up for renewal. He was
     offered the same deal as he signed 2 years previous, not surprisingly
     he turned it down. If what I hear is true, he held out for a 5k
     signing on fee which was not forthcoming. We have become a joke club
     in Scottish football and are slowly getting worse, mainly due to the
     muppets on the board. They tried to con the fans by going full-time
     a few years ago, allowing Ally McLeod to sign umpteen clowns on full
     time contracts, most of whom have since been freed and have returned
     to junior football. We need a board of directors and sponsers willing
     to support the club and allow the team the resources to attempt and
     maintain a serious promotion bid, otherwise we will continue as an
     average to poor first division side. 
    
      To echo Kev's point, I cannot understand Burley's efforts at Hamilton
     on Saturday. Everyone in the crowd could see where Hamilton's goal was
     going to come from, yet for 45 minutes no effective change was made to
     nullify this danger. Freeing Furphy makes matters worse, but as Burley
     has said, he's lined up a "FIT AND STRONG" 35 year old currently
     playing in non-league football, to replace him!! Very ambitious move.
    
     Danny...
    
     ps Good luck to Willie Furphy if he ends up at Rugby Park.
49.429AYOU63::JHILLWed Sep 02 1992 18:4917
    
    Well troops I have to echo all the previous replies on this matter.
    This must be one of the strangest ever decisions made by an Ayr manager and
    there have been a few crackers over the years. I can imagine there are
    a few managers across the the country who'll be rubbing their hands at
    the prospect of getting the bargain of the season.
    
    I think it must also throw up questions about Burley and the board. 
    i.e. did the board make the money available to meet Furphy's demands or
    not, if the money was there why did Burley refuse to pay up ?
    
    
    
    
    
    Steep. 
    
49.430One Malky Shotton!!!!!!!!!AYOV14::LGRACEThu Sep 03 1992 12:2610
    I think it is obvious by Burley's comments in the paper that there was
    no money made available for Furphy.It seems that Burley justifies
    giving frees as a method of saving two full time wages.I think it is
    all too clear that we have deep financial worries although it is going
    to be interesting to see what Shotton is being offered to sign on.It is
    incredible that the board can sit back while all this is happening and
    still try and tell us that they want the best for Ayr,the best joke I 
    have heard for a while was in this week's Ayrshire Post:
    Quote from Burley"Shotton will strengthen our PROMOTION bid"
    I think we have one mis guided man up there at somerset.
49.431one malcolm shotton?KERNEL::HAWLEYIWe fear changeThu Sep 03 1992 13:476
    
    Is this the same Malcolm Shotton who played for Barnsley a few
    seasons ago? If so, the guy has a lot of heart. I remember him playing
    on with a broken bone in his foot. 
    
    Ian.
49.432MADBAS::DREESRelegation....??Thu Sep 03 1992 15:536
    
    Not sure about Barnsley but he is ex Oxford and is at present
    playing with non-league Frickley. At 35 he should be one for
    the future :-(
    
    Del.
49.433SACK THE BOARDAYOV14::FHEWITSONBlack And White ArmyThu Sep 03 1992 16:1716
    RE .430
      
    LAWRENCE,
             Ally Mcleod is back??????????????????????????????
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    I THINK THE DIRECTORS HAVE BRAINWASHED GB INTO THINKING, HE'S SENILE-
    -Ally Mcleod.
    Ally Mcleod
49.434Mally babesKERNEL::HAWLEYIWe fear changeThu Sep 03 1992 22:0010
    
    re. -2
    
    yeah, its the same Malcolm Shotton.
    A solid defender, not a lot of style, not a lot of pace, but as the
    commentators so often love to say...
    
    "He's the kind of dependable pro you like to have in your side!"
    
    Ian.
49.435Attention Division 2MADBAS::DSMITHONE THOMAS BROLIN...Sun Sep 06 1992 16:4433
    
    
      Saturday's defeat at home by Morton has left Ayr sitting 2nd bottom
     in the league, a win would have seen us move up to 6th top but too
     many missed chances in the first half let us down. Graham should have
     had a couple, one or two others missed as well. Morton's first goal
     should have been disallowed for a foul on Robertson as he moved to
     clear a corner. The push in the back resulted in an own goal. 
    
      Ayr had plenty of possession in the 2nd half but never looked like
     scoring. A non-existant midfield failed to create any real openings.
     Howard was sent off for a professional foul midway through the half. 
     He should have taken Davie Kennedy with him as the brainless one was
     caught in possession when Ayr were breaking from defence. The
     resulting through ball caught Ayr on the wrong foot as the defence had
     all pushed out expecting a counter-attack through Kennedy.
    
      Our new 35 year old centre half made his debut as captain! To be fair
     to the guy, I would describe him as an over-the-hill carthorse with
     as much footballing ability as Davie Kennedy. I shudder to think how
     many goals we'll loose this season. Traynor, Kennedy and Shotton have
     to be replaced now or it'll be a long season at the wrong end of the
     league. We desperately need some new faces in mid-field, George is
     suffering through lack of support in the middle. 
    
      Onto the ref now, he was a total disaster, no consistency in his
     decisions at all. He booked George for his first and possibly only
     foul in the game (he's now suspended). Graham and some dirty Morton
     chappie were booked for dissent, yet when Howard gave the ref dugs
     abuse over some weird decision, he got off with a warning. I think
     he's one of the new grade 1 refs, he's got an awful lot to learn.
    
    Danny... 
49.436Gee me piece 8-)PAKORA::GMCDONALDHONEST MEN AND BONNIE LASSIESWed Sep 09 1992 18:0239
           Okay enough is enough,,,whats all this anti Burley sickness that
    going around these days....
           The man has done a great job for the club (unlike the muppets on
    the board)...Let me just put is record on the table for examination..
    
           In 18 months he has taken us to the 1/4 finals of the Scottish
    Cup for the first time in 20 years ,the 1/4 final of the league Cup for 
    the first time in 25 years and the final of the B+Q Cup ( okay mickey
    mouse),but some teams didn't make it , some teams from Ayrshire that
    is)..Add to all this our highest league position in 10 years and you
    must agree ,not a bad record..All this with no cash and a team of
    juniors handed to him by the real villan of the piece...
    
          Okay he has made mistakes in the market i.e Signing Auld and not
    taking the Shaw money..But show me a gaffer who hasn't.
    
         As for the Furphy nightmare ,we really need to know the facts ,and 
    we don't,my personal opinion is that Robertson is a better player and
    he cost nothing so what the hell.
        If they don't want to play for us bbyyyyyyyyyeeeeee..
    
       On to Shotton ,its hard to tell what he is going to be like after
    one game espiecally when he only met the team in the dressing room..
    he won a League Cup medal in 86 with Oxford so he's been around and on
    Saturdays performance he knows how to take a player out , so lets wait
    and see ...Lets not compare  him to Furphy as he is a marker not a
    sweeper,if you all must groan about the loss of Furphy ,think about how 
    well his replacement "Robertson " is playing.
      GB has no money for players so he is trying to build a long ball team
    that is tough at the back with players who are not silky soccer players 
    but are hard phisical types ,and who want to play for Ayr.His main
    weakness is his forward assesment ,we play with 3 who are all mince,if
    we had 2 good ones we could have have another midfielder which gives  us
    the option of useing a man to man marker for troublesome players like 
    Burns /McDonald and Hopkins .
      To sum up its not the gaffers fault its the board's.....
    
    SQF HONEST MAN.
       
49.437Super Ally must stay...MADBAS::DSMITHONE THOMAS BROLIN...Wed Sep 09 1992 18:4625
    
    
    Welcome back Sal!!
    
     In reply to your little ditty, we all know the board is to blame
    for the current set-up at Somerset Park. Burley can only do so much 
    given the lack of finance available to him. His hands were probably
    tied with the Furphy situation but I cannot understand why he has
    replaced him with Shotton. There must be several good young defenders
    in Scotland who could have been snapped up. I may have been a bit harsh
    on Shotton after only 1 game, but I honestly can't see him doing a job
    for Ayr.
    
     With regards to the forwards, Ally Graham would still be an automatic
    choice of mine for the team. On Saturday he missed a couple of sitters
    but he won so much in the air it was embarrassing. As you said, Burley 
    is trying to play the long ball game, without Graham where would we be?
    A decent midfield would support Graham, picking up a lot of his
    knock-downs and creating chances from there. We do not have a creative
    player in the middle of the park. George is the hard man in the middle,
    he has no-one there to take the ball from him and create openings. As I
    said before, Davie Kennedy and John Traynor are empty jersey's most
    weeks; they have to be replaced now or it's downhill from here.
    
     Danny...
49.438PAKORA::GMCDONALDHONEST MEN AND BONNIE LASSIESWed Sep 09 1992 19:1127
    Dan,         Fair comment and I agree with most of your points.There is
                a creative player available at the moment, Gordon McLeod of
                Dundee has been given a free and is due to sign for the
                mighty wait for it Meadowbank ,,surely we can out bid them.
    
                But I feel the main problem is up front ,we have only
               scored about 6 goals this season.Walker is utter crap and 
               should have been replaced 3 seasons ago ,McTurk needs more
               time and Dobbin has been missing chances galore,but your
              right the long ball demands a target.So hemust stay but lets
              get him a partner that can take a man on and shoot at goal
              from further than 6ft...
              Smith of the Accies is available as is Gilmour of Dumbarton
              and Harvey of Airdrie ...All are proven goal grabbers.,
              Okay so we;ve got no cash but we get twice the gates of
              Hamilton Raith and Morton who are all full time and chaseing
              a premier spot ,,so how do they do it. Or is our board
              pulling the wool....
    
              P.s  Tell Del I'm going to give him a really serious talking
             to A/ For being so silly and moving to Gotham ( he'll need to
             learn to have dirt jamed under his finger nails or they'll
             never accept him). And B/ For those stupid remarks about
            switching teams. "HONEST" I knew he was joking about that.
            He was joking about that,wasn't he........8-)
    
             SQF HONEST MAN FOR EVER !!!!!!
49.439KIRKTN::GMCDONALDHONEST MEN AND BONNIE LASSIESThu Sep 10 1992 19:198
    
    
            It seems Burley is going back to a four man defence on Saturday
    in a bid to play wingers . This he thinks will give our forwards more
    chances .What do you all think of that ? Also do who you all think will
    make up the back four,will Robertson go back to full back ?
    
                      GRA.
49.440Couldn't score in a barrel of f******!!!!!AYOV17::LGRACEFri Sep 11 1992 12:228
    Re last
    I think with Howard suspended this week then he will play Robertson and
    Shotton in central defence with either Traynor or Kennedy at Right Back
    and Garry Agnew at left back.As for playing with wingers to help create
    more goal scoring chances,well I don't see what difference that will
    make as we haven't got anybody who can take chances.However,I an still
    confident that we will win tomorrow.
                                   'L'
49.441UTD ARE *****AYOV14::FHEWITSONUNITED FOREVERSun Sep 13 1992 11:5616
    
                     AYR O COWDENBEATH 1
    
      It's looking bleak lads.
    
    There has to be a few questions asked about GB tactics on saturday like
    Robbo has been playing great as sweeper then suddenly GB plays him as 
    a right winger,it was his worst game for utd since he came.
    
    It was all AYR most of the game and i think Gaz Agnew's penalty miss
    summed it all up(the keeper was lucky as f***).
    I think that proves yesterday that we badly need a striker, a proven 
    goalscorer,but knowing how were strapped for cash we'll probably sign
    Billy Carse from Annbank Utd.
    
    LOUDON HAS GOT TO RESIGN NOW.
49.442Blue Brazilians Box Burley's BabesMADBAS::DREESRelegation....??Sun Sep 13 1992 15:5918
    
    Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear....
    
    Glad I didn't renew my season. Lets face it boys we weren't good
    enough last season so why should it be any different this season.
    We've freed our best player, signed probably the two oldest players
    in professional football, the board have no cash and no ideas and
    it now looks as if Burley is taking a flakie on the tactic side of
    things.
    
    Things are not looking too rosy....8 league games played..1 win..3
    draws...4 defeats. Relegation material without a doubt boys.
    
    Sal...it's over to you, I need an optimism injection.
    
    Now where did I put that hoopy top. :-)
    
    Del  
49.443Down and nearly out....MASALA::GMCDONALDHONEST MEN AND BONNIE LASSIESMon Sep 14 1992 00:0519
    
    
    Del,     No optimism here pal ,we are deep in the brown stuff .That
    must be the worst result since Willie McLean...
    
             What I will say is the guts of last season's team are still
    there,and we did finish 6th last term so with that in mind it will come
    together.
    
             BUT,,,if we don't start to find the net soon we will be
    fighting the drop all season and this time it just might be our turn.
    I think if they spend say 25K on a striker, any stiker then we will
    survive.Or 150K on three pro's could take us up ,but with a board that
    won't pay Furphy 5K ,what can I say..
    
             The only option we have up front is Shaw and for some reason
    GB won't play him .IMHO he is the best finisher at the club ...
    
              Bring back the Slud !!!!!!!!!
49.444Fun Time !!!!PAKORA::GMCDONALDHONEST MEN AND BONNIE LASSIESMon Sep 14 1992 09:1327
    
    
    Okay lads , our season is just about over before its begun , and with
    that result on Saturday its begining to feel like Willie McLean
    revisited.What a team he put out , can you all remember them ? I bet
    Kev can . So for a wee laugh , and God knows we need one , hows about
    puting together the worst United team since,say,reconstuction in "75".
    That will keep it easy for you all , and there will be plenty of
    crackers to pick from,well here goes....
    
     Keeper.......PURDIE      by a mile
    R Back........SHANKS      what a tash
    L Back........LOVE        still hate him
    Sweeper.......AHERN       known as ahernia
    C Half........GILLESPIE   oh boy
    L Mid .......Wier         50K for that
    C Mid........McCully      quite simply the worst footballer I've seen.
    C Mid........Ward         just pips Wolfie
    R Mid........Evans        not Stevie fae Troon
    Forward......Kean         nice perm
    Forward......McCrackin    maybe just a bit unfair here.
    
    Subs from....Walker , Lindsay , Mauchline , Smart , Ashwood , Fleeting
     
    Come on Kev , Del , Bean , Dan , L , Fin and Steep beat that !!!   ;-)
    
                           Gra...
49.445We rake in bucket !!AYOV16::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthMon Sep 14 1992 14:0524
    Worst team since recontruction ?
    
    How about Saturday's team ??
    
    No ? Well try this lot.
    
    1. Northcote  	(lost 5 goals in 45 mins at home to Dumbarton)
    2. Brian Ross       (we got 8 grand for him, amazing)
    3. Joe Love         (couldn't cross himself)
    4. Smyth
    5. Gillespie
    6. Walsh
    7. John Miller
    8. Joe Gillies
    9. Stewart Mauchlen
    10 Steve Evans (the 1st)
    11 Jimmy Lindsay
    
    Subs. Purdie, Ward, Kean, Ashwood, Robert Brown, Armour, Lex Grant
    
    The list is endless, but I reckon my shower of crap could even lose 
    to Killie.
    
    Kev....
49.446Willie McLean all is forgiven!!!!!!AYOV17::LGRACEMon Sep 14 1992 14:224
    To pick the worst Ayr team since reconstruction is a hard job as there
    has been so many bad players but after watching saturday's game there
    will certainly be a few of the present squad in the "Ayr United worst
    ever team hall of fame".
49.447MADBAS::DREESRelegation....??Tue Sep 15 1992 15:1315
    
    1. Goofy            (shades it from Purdie) 
    2. Brian Ross       (undescrible)
    3. Joe Love         (the fairy princess)
    4. Brown            (the future Scotland Captain...!??!)
    5. Gillespie        (lanky & talentless...big bird mark 2)
    6. McCracken        (Dooogie,Dooogie) 
    7. Gardiner (Lee)   (waste of time and space)
    8. Evans            (not Stevie)
    9. Dobbin           (boy...do I hate Ally Graham) 
    10 Masterton        (his head never knew what his feet were doing)
    11 Grant (Lex)      (his head never knew what his feet were doing mark 2)
    
    Del. (who could name a squad of 40)
    
49.448exAYOV27::SALLENTue Sep 15 1992 15:1411
    Sal,
    
       You say that Ayr could not afford to pay Furphy five grand for a
    signing on fee. Well the truth of the matter is that Furphy withdrew
    his signing on fee request and asked for the same terms as last season.
    Ayr agreed with the same wages but would not pay his expenses as they
    had done for the previous three years. Therefore Furphy refused to lose
    money playing for Ayr - the rest is history .
    
    
    ... Bean
49.449more fun !!KURMA::GMCDONALDHONEST MEN AND BONNIE LASSIESWed Sep 16 1992 03:3827
       What about the best Utd formation since 76 but only on their form
    for Utd..
    
          Here's mine for what its worth.
    
         1....Duncan 
         2....Nichol
         3....Connor
         4....cant think of a good one.
         5....McAllister ( at his peak the best Ayr player not to get a
                             move .Gers were ready to sign him untill they
                           found out what school he went to)
         6...McLaughlin   super was the best name for him
         7...Christie    the best since 76 but not a patch on Doyle or
                         Young.
         8...Crammond 
         9...Rambo
         10..Sludden  
         11..Templeton   peaked at 23 ,dear oh dear.
    
         Subs   Morris Frye Johnston
    
    
         Well Kev ,its a wee bit harder to think of good ones lets see your
    team and see if I missed any...
    
               Gra.
49.450MADBAS::DREESRelegation....??Wed Sep 16 1992 13:4116
    
    1. Hughie Sproat
    2. Stevie Nicol
    3. Robert Connor
    4. Willie Furpherino
    5. Ian McAllister
    
    6. Gordon Crammond
    7. Brian McLaughlin
    8. Duncan George
    
    9. Alan McInally
    10 John Sludden
    11 Henry Templeton
    
    Del.
49.451WHAT!!! No Dobbin??????AYOV17::LGRACEWed Sep 16 1992 15:423
    Re last
    I think you've got it spot on Del-boy,although Derek Frye and Eric
    Morris both impressed in their spell at somerset.
49.452PAKORA::GMCDONALDHONEST MEN AND BONNIE LASSIESThu Sep 17 1992 07:5510
    
    
            What is everyone's opinion on this weeks visit to Boghead ?
    
           I'm going to stick my neck out and take Ayr for an away win on
           the fixed odds .I'll go for 1-0.With Dobbin getting the strike.
    
            What do you all think ?
    
                   SQF HM
49.453AYOV16::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthThu Sep 17 1992 12:4417
    Our last to Boghead was a memorable 3-0 victory to stay in Div 1 back
    in 84-85. I'll be really brave and go for the same again.
    
    Best team since 76
    
    				Sproat
    Nicol		Furphy		McAllister		Connor
    
    		George		McLaughlin	  Crammond
    
    		Templeton	McInally          Sludden		 
    
    Subs,	Duncan,Agnew,Christie and Frye
    
    
    
    Kev...
49.454A win at last...???MADBAS::DSMITHONE THOMAS BROLIN...Thu Sep 17 1992 14:3010
    
    
     I'll join Sal and take Ayr on the coupon for an away win (should be
    reasonable odds!)
    
     Best team since 76 - same as Kev's and Del's with Morris a candidate
    up front. Reckon that team would take a bit of stopping in today's
    first division. 
    
      Danny...
49.455SimplyAYOV27::SALLENThu Sep 17 1992 15:0120
    Best Team,
    
                         Sproat
    Nicol              Furphy McAllister          Agnew
    
        George           McLaughlin               Connor
    
    
       Templeton     Sludden McInally 
    
    
    
    Subs: Morris Frye
    
    
    
    
    
    
    ... Bean
49.456Beat This !!!AYOV27::SALLENThu Sep 17 1992 16:3221
    Worst Team
    
    
                         Purdie
    
    Ross         Brown          Auld                 Vincent
    
      Ward              Ahern              Weir
    
      McNaughton        Larnach            Mair
    
    
    
    Worst Manager   - W. McLean
    
    Hard to beat 8-)
    
    
    
    ... Bean
    
49.457Do you play?ISEPUB::CHAMPOLLIONCan-tas-ticFri Sep 18 1992 18:018
49.458UTD ARE BACK !!!MASALA::GMCDONALDHONEST MEN AND BONNIE LASSIESMon Sep 21 1992 13:597
      
    
        Anyone at Boghead on Saturday ?  Come on Kev/Fin where is the match
    report,with team and best players . Could this be our luck finaly
    starting to run for us ..
    
                            SQF HM
49.459MADBAS::DREESRelegation....??Mon Sep 21 1992 16:5010
    
    
    Steady Sal....steady...your getting over excited again. 
    
    Lets face facts, you could get 11 grunters from VLSI that could 
    give Dumbarton a game. It would be nice to think this was the start of
    better things but when you take into account the fact that we're
    crap....I very much doubt it.
    
    Del the downer.
49.460Footie not Golf ;-).KIRKTN::GMCDONALDHONEST MEN AND BONNIE LASSIESMon Sep 21 1992 17:1617
    
    
      Del,          How would you know what Ayr were like ? Unless you
                   bumped into them at Seafield golf course. heheheh.
    
                    Only kidding Del, but all I ment was that I don't think 
                  we've had a rub of the green yet , what with 2 og's and 2
                 players sent off in the 1st few weeks of the season.Plus a
                   penalty miss and the amount of times the woodwork has
                  saved the enemy.No I'm not on the Buckie, I don't think
                  we have any chance of doing things this season but I also
                  thing we are better than our league position suggests.
                  Also just 3 points behind the squirrels , who remember
                  had this league won back last June 8-).
    
    
                 SQF HM.
49.461Ayr,Ayr Super Ayr!!!!!!AYOV14::LGRACETue Sep 22 1992 19:339
    The reseves recorded a 2-1 win over Rangers last night.The Ayr goals
    were scored by Carse (Annbank Utd) who looks a promising player.The
    Gers had a very young squad on display with only Gary McSwegan having
    any first team experience however he was red carded in the second half
    along with his Centre Half Steve Pressley.The Ayr team had a few
    promising players on display particularly Carse,Allan,Hood,Miller and
    an unknown player who came on during the second half,he played up front
    and was very fast.
                   
49.462AYOV11::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthWed Sep 23 1992 14:0315
    I don't want to say I told you so , but I did predict a 3-0 win for Ayr
    at Boghead and amazingly it came true. Dumbarton were very poor and
    look like they may struggle as the season progresses. Ayr were always
    on top and never looked like surrendering the early lead which arrived
    via a deep Burley cross to Super Ally who nodded a looping header back
    across the goal and in at the back post. No 2 was another goal supplied
    from a Burley cross into the box. The keeper came to meet it but
    Traynor rose in front of him to send a back header into the net. Ayr
    had several other chances before Sub Alan McTurk latched onto another
    ball from Burley via Mair and he hammered a low shot past the goalie
    into the far corner with 30 seconds left on the clock. Best for Ayr
    were Burley, Walker, Kennedy and Graham. Mair was the crap member of
    the squad. Mair and Agnew were booked. 
    
    Kev....
49.463Shaw for Liverpool?MADBAS::DSMITHONE THOMAS BROLIN...Wed Sep 23 1992 14:158
    
    
     According to today's Daily Rangers, Greg Shaw is going back to
    Liverpool for another months trial. Hopefully he'll impress Souness 
    and Ayr will receive a large amount of cash for him which the directors
    will probably squander on some new seats and a bovril stall.
    
     Danny...
49.464Ayr's answer to LamontAYOV27::SALLENWed Sep 23 1992 16:349
    Danny,
    
       Ayr will not receive a large cash amount for Greg Shaw as he is on
    freedom of contract and we will probably only get three times his
    wages. Twenty thousand at the most ! Another good piece of business
    by George in turning down one hundred and seventy thousand from 
    St.Johnstone ???
    
    Saddened HM ... Bean
49.465PAKORA::GMCDONALDHONEST MEN AND BONNIE LASSIESWed Sep 23 1992 18:029
    
    
    Steve,         Are you sure Saints offered 175K for Shaw,I heard it was
    80K plus a center half.I mean it sounds strange when after getting a
    knock back from Burley they went to Ireland and signed Arkins for a
    mere 65K....
    
    
               Gra...
49.466Going,going....gone!AYOV14::LGRACEThu Sep 24 1992 13:439
    It stated in the Ayrshire Post today that Carse has been given a year
    part time contract it also states,as previously mentioned that Ayr
    wouldn't receive much money for Shaw as he has been a sub most of the
    time and any transfer fee would probably be decided by a tribunal who
    would certainly take into account first team appearances,so it would
    appear that we have mucked things up again!!!!
    
    
    
49.467AYOV16::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthMon Sep 28 1992 13:1344
49.468AYOV11::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthMon Sep 28 1992 16:0144
    St Mirren 2 - 0 Ayr United
    
    Ayr have only themselves to blame for not taking at least a point from
    this match with St Mirren.   They had more chances, more pressure
    and more shots on goal than an average Saints side who scored with 2 of
    their 3  clear cut openings. The first half was very even and it was
    quite a surprise when Farrell headed Saints into an undeserved lead on
    the half-hour mark after good work by Elliot on the left wing. Ayr
    replied strongly and came close with a Graham header and a Traynor shot
    which Money did well to turn out for a corner. With 5 minutes of the
    half remaining, Mair and Money rose to a high ball and Money landed in
    a heap. Play raged on and the ball was eventually  cleared to the
    centre-circle where the ref blew for a bounce-up. We were then treated
    to a scenario straight from a movie with first the physio, then the
    manager, then the doctor and finally the Saints team all crowded round
    the prostrate goalie. It seemed that he would be unable to continue and
    we all thought it would only be a matter of time before a stretcher
    was brought on for him. However, after about 3-4 mins he stood up and 
    was able to continue. Seemingly, he has a habit of feigning injury in
    an attempt to break the rhythm of the opposition and always succeeds.
    The second half started to boos ringing out from the Ayr support as
    Money ran out like Linford Christie and proceeded to play like Gordon
    Banks before again suffering an "injury" which made it impossible for
    him to move faster than a handicapped sloth whenever he had the ball
    yet miraculously disappeared whenever he had to move for a save. Time
    after time he defied an Ayr attack which had grown stronger by the
    addition of McTurk for Walker and one save from a Mair shot would have
    been difficult for a fit goalie. Yet again Ayr were hit by the sucker
    punch and after a great run down the left, McDowall crossed to the
    backpost where Farrell nodded the ball into the path of Hewitt who
    slammed it home from 7 yards. Ayr pressed strongly in the latter
    stages but poor finshing let them down. 
    
    Best for Ayr were Shotton,McTurk and Kennedy
    Poor for Ayr were Howard (shocking) and Robertson (lost at right
    midfield)
    
    Best for Saints.   Martindale (ref)
    
    I would predict a rather "warm" reception for a certain goalie in the
    Chipboard Cup tomorrow night.
    
    Kev....

49.469St's are oot the cup.KIRKTN::GMCDONALDHONEST MEN AND BONNIE LASSIESWed Sep 30 1992 01:4212
    
    
          B+Q Cup   AYR UNITED   2   ST MIRREN   1
                     Walker (2)       Charnley
    
    
        A good result by the "pride of " but I would swap it for 2 points
    in Paisley last Saturday.
    
                           SQF HM. 
    
    
49.470AYOV11::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthWed Sep 30 1992 12:1130
    A good result it was, but the way it as achieved is going to give Ayr
    supporters heart failure if it happens again. Ayr completely dominated
    this match and shouild have won by 3 or 4 goals. Walker scored the
    first after 11 minutes when he slammed home a Graham rebound off Fridge.
    He then booted Lambert in the face, who was replaced by our old
    favourite Chico Charnley. Chic immediately marked out Walker for the
    challenge on Lambert and appeared to threaten him before the match
    restarted. Saints came into the game but lacked the killer touch which
    would have evened the game. Just before half-time, Walker and Manley
    went for a loose ball and Manley came off worst, being unable to return
    for the second half. Ayr attacked throughout the second 45 mins and
    were rewarded when a great pass from Burley found Graham homing in on
    goal when Lex Baillie hauled him down for a penalty. Walker elected to
    take it but his weak shot was saved by the legs of Fridge. St Mirren
    appeared to take heart from this and in 81 minutes, forced a free-kick
    wide on the right. Charnley fired the kick straight over the wall and
    past a bewildered Duncan in the Ayr goal. 3 minutes later Walker was
    pulled down in the box by Fabiani but the ref waved play on ( A mistake
    methinks). 2 minutes later the ball breaks into the box and Fridge and
    Traynor clash, the ball breaks to Walker, 15 feet out from an open goal
    and he puts it over the bar. He redeemed himself however when in the
    89th minutes he pounced on a Graham flick to fire a left foot shot past
    the keeper for the winner. Great scenes as the whole team mobbed Walker
    behind the Somerset goal with Shotton the happiest man I have seen in
    a while.
    
    The draw for the next round will be made next Tuesday.
    
    
    Kev...
49.471Further update please...MADBAS::DSMITHONE THOMAS BROLIN...Wed Sep 30 1992 12:459
    
    
    Kev, 
    
       for the benefit of the part-time supporters, what was the team last
      night? Going by your report it looks as if Tommy Walker is back to
      his best ie missing sitters and kicking lumps out of his opponents!
    
       Danny.
49.472AYOV11::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthWed Sep 30 1992 16:0510
    Team was
    
    Duncan,Burley,McVie,Shotton,Howard,Kennedy,Robertson,Walker,Graham,
    Traynor and Mair. Subs McTurk (for Mair) McLean (not used)
    
    Best were Shotton , Kennedy , Graham and Burley.
    
    Stirling at home on Saturday.
    
    Kev...
49.473Bring on the Albion !!!!PAKORA::GMCDONALDHONEST MEN AND BONNIE LASSIESThu Oct 01 1992 02:0811
    Kev             Thats twice Zico has had your MOM award,I take it you
                   are drinking in the Cherrytree at the moment.
    
                   Having seen Shotton more than the rest of us put together
                 do you think he is what we have been missing at the back ?
    
                   Also will you be in the Horse on Saturday for beers and
                  banter ?
    
    SQF HM.......
    
49.474AYOV16::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthThu Oct 01 1992 12:2019
    I'll admit that when we let Furphy go for nothing  and signed a 34 year
    old from non-league football, I thought the boss had gone bananas but I
    will say now that I was wrong and that Shotton is exactly what we need.
    I'm not sure about Howard though. I would like to see Robertson playing
    alongside Malky instead of Nigel who is a bit weak in all departments.
    Shotton has the knack of reading a game and always appears in the right
    place at the right time. And while he is hard , he has yet to be booked
    so he is not dirty by any stretch of the imagination. 
    
    Drinking in the Cherry Tree ? Nah , too far to stagger home.
    
    I'll make it to the pub on Sat for some pre-match "Horse-play" 
    C U there.
    
    Ps the reserves won 5-0 last night at Stenhousemuir. McLean hit a hat
    trick and Fraser got the other 2. Could be time for a run in the first
    team for the other "Super Ally" ?
    
    Kev.... 
49.475Utd are back !!!PAKORA::GMCDONALDHONEST MEN AND BONNIE LASSIESFri Oct 02 1992 01:196
    
    
         Lets have all your predictions for Saturdays visit of Stirling.
        I'll go for a 2-0 victory for Utd,but then again I always do.
    
                        SQF HM.... 
49.476Hitler is alive and playing for AYR UTDAYOV17::FHEWITSONUNITED FOREVERFri Oct 02 1992 06:327
    
    My prediction for saturday UTD 3 stirling 0,also MALKY will have FAT
    willie watters in his back pocket.     
    
    
    
                               fin..8-)
49.477MADBAS::DREESRelegation....??Fri Oct 02 1992 15:346
    
    Yeah......this part timer will go for a Utd win.....
    
    Got them on the fixed odds....
    
    Delbert the Del.
49.478Ayr V's Clydebank.PAKORA::MILLERI Love KruggerMon Oct 05 1992 18:4110
    
    Hi,
    
    I am going down to Ayr on business in 2 weeks time and would like to
    see a game (Ayr play Clydebank on the Sat). I would like to go with 
    some of the guys that write in here, so if any of you are going to 
    the game could you send me a mail at THERAJ::MILLER and I will arrange
    to meet you.
    
    					Des.
49.479Duncan saves a point...MADBAS::DSMITHONE THOMAS BROLIN...Mon Oct 05 1992 18:5927
    
    
      After dominating the first half, Ayr fell away a bit after the break,
     allowing Stirling to equalise before the real Super Ally scored the  
     winner with about 10 minutes to go. He was denied the chance of a
     hat-trick when the ref turned down a definite penalty as Ally was
     preparing to burst the net from close range. Cammy Duncan had a 
     brilliant save in injury time to deny Stirling what would have been an
     undeserved point.
    
      Pass marks to Duncan, Shotton, Burley and Graham.
    
      Burley has been complaining about the lack of goals recently. I
     reckon the main problem is the lack of attack-minded players in
     midfield. Graham and Walker continually knock good quality balls
     down for players to run onto but guys like Kennedy, George and 
     Roberston are not renowed for their goal scoring records. 
    
      Danny.
    
     Rumor/fact time,
    
     Ally Fraser has been placed on the transfer list.
    
     Partick Thistle are again showing an interest in Graham. Reports range
     from 100k to 50k plus 2 players. We will wait and see.
    
49.480 B&Q CUP DRAWAYOV14::BGILCHRISTTue Oct 06 1992 15:504
    
    
             AYR GET KILMARNOCK IN THE B&Q CUP AT RUGBY PARK
    
49.481there won't be many !!KIRKTN::GMCDONALDHONEST MEN AND BONNIE LASSIESWed Oct 07 1992 14:026
    
    
    
    Re last -   Next stop the quarters then . ;-).
    
                          SQF HM.
49.482AYOV11::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthFri Oct 09 1992 12:1210
    According to the local rags, Stranraer have turned down a player swap
    deal which would have brought Tommy Sloan back to Somerset. No news of
    which players were wanted by Stranraer but the name Fraser does spring
    to mind considering he has been placed on the transfer list. I would
    have liked to see the original Tucker back at Somerset and playing up
    front with big Ally. Who knows, it may happen yet. 
    
    Prediction for tomorrow.    Dunfermline 3 - 1 Ayr 
    
    Kev...
49.483Dunfermline 1 Ayr 1MADBAS::DREESRelegation....??Fri Oct 09 1992 17:058
    
    O ye of little faith....
    
    I'll go for at least a share of the points tomorrow, after all George
    Burnley reckons we've got a chance of promotion....whoever the hell he
    is. :-)
    
    Del.
49.484PAKORA::GMCDONALDHONEST MEN AND BONNIE LASSIESFri Oct 09 1992 19:105
    
    
          Its got to be a Utd away win , about 2-0 me thinks (hopes).
    
           SQF HM
49.485WE'LL BEAT THE BUDDIES AGAIN!!!!MASALA::APRYCEFri Oct 09 1992 20:365
    
    	I think hopes is about right Sal.
    
    				RRFC
    
49.486PARS 0 UTD 2PAKORA::GMCDONALDHONEST MEN AND BONNIE LASSIESSat Oct 10 1992 16:369
    
    
    
        Allan...Yehhh sometimes the heart rules the head .Well okay all
    the time then.Anyway good luck to Raith today ,remember we stuffed the
    Saints last week so sometimes the "hopes" come true.
    
                       SQF HM...
                       
49.487TOLD YOU SO !!!PAKORA::GMCDONALDHONEST MEN AND BONNIE LASSIESSat Oct 10 1992 20:306
    
    
        DUNFERMLINE 1 AYR UNITED 3
                       Ally
                       Traynor 
                       Tucker
49.488AYOV11::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthMon Oct 12 1992 12:0044
    OK, I'm first to admit I got the score wrong,but if the Pars had taken 
    half the chances they had, they would have walked this match. Ayr
    caught them cold with a goal in 90 seconds when an excellent cross by
    Agnew was met at the far post by the real Super Ally who sent his
    header out of the reach of the big skelly keeper. Dunfermline responded
    immediately and after Grants header came off the bar, Chalmers contrived
    to miss a virtual open goal. Tucker was on the receiving end of some
    rough treatment from Cooper and McCathie (booked for a dreadful
    challenge) and Agnew was left limping by a challenge from Cooper which
    was so late it was nearly in the second half. I still stand by my
    comments made after the first game when the Pars played like thugs.
    Saturday was no different and 3 of their players went into the book.
    Dunfermline equalised when Cunnington's corner was met by Chalmers
    who volleyed home from a couple of yards. Just when it looked like 
    D'line would take the game by the scruff, Ayr hit them with a rather
    fortunate goal. Good work by Burley ended with him laying the ball off
    to Tucker who cut inside the defender and fired in a shot which hit
    Chalmers and went beyond the reach of the big skelly keeper to make it
    2-1 at half-time. Dunfermline started the second half in determined
    fashion but some excellent defending from Shotton in particular meant
    they could not capitalise on any chances. McWilliams hit the bar with a
    rocket shot and Duncan saved well from a Davies 30 yarder. With 10 mins
    left, Ayr hit them with the sucker punch when , after forcing 4 corners
    in as many minutes, Traynor scored when Allys header came back off the
    bar. The last 10 mins were a delight with Ayr camped in Dunfermline's
    half leaving Malky Shotton to cheerlead an ecstatic Ayr support from 
    the centre-circle. All in all a good victory, but D'line will rue all
    the missed chances and when they finally strike a game, someone will
    suffer. Let's hope it's Kilmarnock.
    
    Best for Ayr were Shotton, Burley and Graham.
    
    p.s. I met a crowd of Southampton supporters at the game and later in
    the pub in Ayr. They had visited Ayr for the pre-season friendly and
    because they did not have a game on Saturday they decided to travel up
    to see "our favourite Scottish team". They seemed almost as happy as me
    when Ayr won. They are returning when Ayr play Killie next month. They
    did not appear to enjoy their pre-season visit to our North Ayrshire 
    neighbours. In fact, one of them commented on how the town of
    Kilmarnock reminded him of TV pictures from Beirut
    
    or was it Bhagdad ?
    
    Kev...
49.489MADBAS::DREESRelegation....??Mon Oct 12 1992 14:4416
    
    Great result on saturday. It finally looks as if our luck is changing
    for the better. The return of Burley plus the signing of Shotton looks
    as though it's really shored up the defence. If we hadn't lost at home
    to the might of Meadowbank and Cowdenbeath we'd be right up there.
    
    Tricky game this saturday at home to an inform Clydebank. Hopefully
    though we can keep the good run going and set ourselves up for the trip
    to Rugby Park on the 20th.
    
    I might just have to fork out a fiver to go see them on saturday.
    
    A return to the Horse is on the cards !
    
    Del.
    
49.490MADBAS::DREESRelegation....??Tue Oct 13 1992 12:3911
    
    
    According to the Daily Record it looks as if Paul McLean is on his way
    to Stranraer. In the same paper it states that Tom Callaghan has signed
    for Stirling Albion after turning down offers from AYR UTD and Sligo
    Rvrs. Don't tell me we were in for that dumplin'......and whats more
    embarrasing...                                 
    
    ....we didnae get him, he turned us down !!
    
    Delbert the Del.                        
49.491Who's all going to Gotham ??PAKORA::GMCDONALDHONEST MEN AND BONNIE LASSIESWed Oct 14 1992 01:3915
    
    Del,      How much are the Stran going to cough up for Paul McLean or
    is it another swap,with perhaps Sloan coming home..
    
              What is everyone's predictions for the visit of the mighty
    Clydebank ? I always hate playing them because they always have some
    young player that runs a mock against us,and then there is always Eadie.
    Well I suppose I better bite the bullet and name my score .......
    
    
                AYR UNITED (pride of AYRshire) 1  BANKIES  0
    
                              SQF HM...
                         
    
49.4922 more points !!!KIRKTN::GMCDONALDHONEST MEN AND BONNIE LASSIESSat Oct 17 1992 23:1015
    
    
    AYR UNITED    2    CLYDEBANK   1
    Traynor
    Mair
    
       Another good 2 points for the "whites" . Acording to west sound big
    Ally got taken off injured . Does anyone know if he'll make it on Tues.
    Also a trialist was listed as sub ,I'm told his name is Pierce and
    plays with Coventry City ..Anyone know anything about this guy .
    
       Match repert ASAP,,Kev.
    
                             SQF HM..
    
49.493shaggyAYOV27::SALLENSun Oct 18 1992 12:4711
    I thought his name was Cruise. He only played for ten minutes.
    
    Has anyone heard what is happening to Shaggy. 
    
    He scored two and made the other in a three - one victory (for the 
    reserves obviously).
    
    
    
    
    ... Bean
49.494AYOV11::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthMon Oct 19 1992 13:1325
    Ayr 2-1 Clydebank
    
    A well deserved victory made it 5 out 6 since Burley started playing
    again. Malky Shotton was outstanding in a defence that was seldom
    troubled by Bankies. Ayr showed some excellent passing moves and
    flowing football and the only surprise was it took 45 mins to score.
    The goal came a minute after Duncan made a point blank stop from Eadie.
    Ayr rushed upfield and won a corner which was cleared as far as Traynor
    who slammed it home via a helpful dummy from big Ally. An ideal time to
    score. 4 minutes into the second half, Burley and Roberston finished
    some neat passing with a low hard cross which sub Mair met 10 yards out
    to send a shot past Woods in the Bankies goal. 2-0 and AYr were
    cruising. They shot themselves in the foot however when on Bankies next
    attack, Burley, Duncan, Robertson and Eadie all went for a high ball at
    the back post and it ended up nestling in the corner of the net after
    Robertson's attempted clearance beat Cammy. The papers somehow gave the
    goal to Flannigan who was nowhere near at the time. Ayr continued to
    attack but no further goals arrived. Big Ally went off injured 10 mins
    from the end to let the Trialist (Cruise ?) on. I don't know where he
    is meant to play but he appeared at home in a wide right midfield
    position. McLean it appears, has joined Stranraer.
    
    Best for Ayr were Shotton and Burley (again)
    
    Kev...
49.4953-1 to KillieMADBAS::DSMITHONE THOMAS BROLIN...Mon Oct 19 1992 14:1917
    
    
     Any predictions for tomorrow night's game against Killie?
    
     We seem to be a lot tighter at the back since the arrival of Shotton
    and the return of Burley but I reckon we could struggle in midfield
    tomorrow, especially as Kennedy won't be man-marking Burns due to
    injury. I think Traynor is a definite weak link in the middle and
    would therefore like to see McTurk dropped and someone else added in the
    middle, possibly Mair or even McVie.
    
     The lack of a good squad could prove to be our downfall, especially
    as Graham, George and Howard are carrying knocks from Saturday's game.
    
     Hopefull of winning but not confident.
    
    Danny.
49.496When Shotton walked up to lift the Milk CupCHEFS::HOUSEBMon Oct 19 1992 16:124
    Is this Malcolm Shotton captain of the great/famous Oxford Utd team of
    the mid 'eighties,  I can't believe he is still going  ???
    
    		Brian.
49.497MADBAS::DREESRelegation....??Mon Oct 19 1992 16:4019
    
    Yeah.....I'm like you Dan...more hopeful than confident.
    
    Killie looked good on Saturday from the tv clips I saw and by all
    accounts should have won the game. In saying that however, Raith were
    not at full strength having had 2 players sent off the week before.
    
    We're playing at our best for sometime but picked up injuries on
    Saturday. Graham, George and Howard all took knocks. We have a chance
    if we're at full strength, if not, we'll find it hard going.
    
    As Sal keeps saying...were overdue a victory at Rugby Park. I'd
    be happier if it was on the 14th of Nov rather than tomorrow night.
    
    Del.
    
    ps. re .496  Yes...and playing very well by all accounts.
    
    
49.498Its not over till its over 8-(MASALA::GMCDONALDDISHONEST MEN AND UGLY LASSIESWed Oct 21 1992 11:1526
    
            Kilmarnock   1   Ayr United   0
             McCluskey
    
        Not a great night for Ayr with very few real chances created Killie
    on the other hand played very well ,thier passing game would be a joy
    to watch if it wasn't being played against your own team.
        Killie totaly dominated the game from start to finish with Ayr's
     only threats coming from fast breaks.Which were few and far between.
    Ayr's defence played well with Shotton and Duncan outstanding, I hate
    to think what might have happend if Purdie and Auld had been playing.
    The real problem with our team is the same as its ever been Walker and
    McTurk are being carried and the midfield cant support the forwards
    during a break.All in all not a bad desplay by United, they lack a bit
    of punch up front and when Ally doesn't play the team don't play.As for 
    Killie they looked a very slick unit who with a bit of luck could go
    all the way in the Cup . 
        I can't help feeling that when we meet them again that Burns will 
    be marked a lot more tightly as he pulls the strings for an ordinary
    Killie front line.
    
                     SQF HM.
    
    
    
    
49.499Egg on the face time!!!!AYOV14::LGRACEWed Oct 21 1992 11:196
    Kilmarnock 1 Ayr United 0
    Well lads what can I say!! that must go down as one of the worst
    display's ever by an Ayr team,we were very lucky to leave with a one
    goal defeat.Cammy Duncan must get a triple bonus for his display last
    night and the rest should be fined for their displays.As for Ally
    Fraser,free him as he just isn't interested.
49.500What a nightmare...MADBAS::DSMITHONE THOMAS BROLIN...Wed Oct 21 1992 11:1922
    
    
      An utterly disgracefull performance from Ayr last night saw them
    loose 1-0 to Killie at Rugby Park. In all honesty, Killie should have
    been 3 or 4 up at half-time and a couple more clear by full-time. They
    won every 50-50 ball and generally had total control of the game. Ayr
    couldn't string 2 passes together and only threatend a couple of times
    from corner kicks.
    
     The really depressing part of it all, is that last nights team, with
    the exception of the waste of space Ally Fraser had won 5 of the last 6
    games and should have been confident about going to Rugby Park and
    winning but there seemed a lack of commitment and a definite shortage
    of basic footballing skills last night.
    
     The next 4 weeks will be crucial to Ayr's season. Matches against
    Morton, Hamilton, Raith and Kilmarnock will make or break the season.
    
     Pass marks last night to Duncan (MOM), Shotton and Graham. The rest
    were a joke.
    
     Danny.
49.501PAKORA::GMCDONALDUNITEDFri Oct 23 1992 14:375
    
    
             Any predictions for the trip to Greenock on Saturday ?
    
             I'll go for a score draw 1-1....
49.502AYOV11::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthFri Oct 23 1992 14:525
    Ayr can't play as badly 2 games in a row so I predict a score draw..
    
    and typically pi$$ing wet Greenock weather to go with it.
    
    Kev... 
49.503OH MY GAWDAYOV17::FHEWITSONFri Oct 23 1992 15:056
    I'll put my neck on the line and go for an utd victory 1-0
    
    Paul mclean has signed for stranraer.
    
    fin.
    
49.504:::;KIRKTN::DMILNESTOP THAT ITS NO NATURALFri Oct 23 1992 15:341
    I;ll take Morton to win 3-0.....
49.5053-0 my as@PAKORA::GMCDONALDUNITEDFri Oct 23 1992 16:315
    
    
    Davie ...The last time you got a score right the sun shone in Bo'ness
    for a full day..
                   SQF HM..
49.506"Sun always shines in Boness"KIRKTN::DMILNESTOP THAT ITS NO NATURALFri Oct 23 1992 17:173
    How do you explain the palm trees then......
    
    Mr brown...
49.507Sun in the 'Ness it is 8-(PAKORA::GMCDONALDUNITEDSat Oct 24 1992 20:059
    
    
        GREENOCK MORTON   2   AYR UNITED   1
          Raferty 30            Shotton  10
          Lillie  89
    
      Another bad point lost..
    
                             SQF HM..
49.508I wish I had some holidays :-(PAKORA::CPATRICKit never happens to us...!!!!Sat Oct 24 1992 22:3911
    re-1
    
    SQF HM....
    
    
    do you not mean "another 2 points lost" ????
    
    
    
    
    SQF Jambo
49.509only eighth now 8-)..PAKORA::GMCDONALDUNITEDSun Oct 25 1992 12:047
    
    Sid,      With the score at 1-1 with 2 mins to go I thought we were
    looking good for a point...
              Good the result for the "big" team in the capital, 17 on the 
    trot eh....
    
               SQF HM.. 
49.510"We won 3-2,that 1 in a row"KIRKTN::DMILNESTOP THAT ITS NO NATURALSun Oct 25 1992 19:494
    GOD my sunburn is killing me to-day ????
    
    
    Julie...... 
49.511Boris For The CupPAKORA::SWRIGHTBoris 'de' NessMon Oct 26 1992 12:579
    Dav, 
       When I passed through the Ness this morning I saw a guy on the Beach
    Hiring out sun loungers, Who said the Sun never shines in the Ness..!!!
    
    I bet they don't have a Steam train in Ayr..!!!
    
    
    
    Senga.
49.512Score please!!!!AYOV14::LGRACETue Oct 27 1992 12:082
    Does anyone know the result of the reserve match against Killie from
    last night?
49.513AYOV11::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthWed Oct 28 1992 11:466
    2-2
    
    Killie twice came back to snatch a draw. Carse and Burke scored for
    Ayr.
    
    Kev...
49.514PAKORA::GMCDONALDUNITEDFri Oct 30 1992 04:2313
    
    
          Whats all this about Burley signing not one but two players, both
    it seems are midfielders,can anyone confirm ?
          Also can anyone tell me if Liverpool have signed Shaw or will he
    be back with us for the rest of the season ?
          Also does anyone think its worthwhile giving Carse a real run in
    the 1st team and booting Walker out the pool.
    
          Prediction for the visit of Hamilton ,,,3-0 to the giants.
    
                 SQF Hm... 
    
49.515All Change!!!!!!AYOV14::LGRACEFri Oct 30 1992 16:4612
    Sal,apparently Liverpool want Shaw back down again as they haven't made
    their minds up yet,how much time do they want? I think they have had
    ample time to assess him and to make a decision on whether to sign him
    or not.Burley states that he hopes Shaw signs on again as he is part of
    his plans,if this happened then somebody would have to take a back seat
    probably McTurk and there would be even less chance of Carse coming
    into the team.On the signing front,we have now completed the signing of
    two players,I don't know a lot about them so we will have to wait and
    see how they perform.Burley has now just about cleaned out the squad
    from the McLeod era(sorry for mentioning that lads!!!).
                                  
    Lawrence
49.516No report last week ,,KEV !!PAKORA::GMCDONALDUNITEDSat Oct 31 1992 04:466
    
    
        The Daily Record states today that Ayr's new signing "Burke" will
    make his debut today against the Accies.It doesn't say whether Crews
    will share the honour with him .      8-)..
         
49.517No-score bore...MADBAS::DSMITHONE THOMAS BROLIN...Sat Oct 31 1992 21:2016
    
    
     A very poor game played in poor conditions watched by a poor and sad
    crowd. Ayr could have played all night without scoring. Accies had the
    better chances but some good goalkeeping from Cammy kept the score
    sheet blank.
    
     Burke made his debut and did absolutely nothing before being carried
    off on a stretcher just before half-time. Replaced by Carse. Duncan
    George was carrying an injury and didn't come out after the break,
    replaced by our other new signing, Cruise. He showed some good touches
    and could be a good signing once he settles in.
    
     MOM - Cammy Duncan for a solid all-round performance.
    
    Danny.
49.518MASALA::GMCDONALDUNITEDSat Oct 31 1992 23:475
    
    
    Danny,,, Spot on ,we were awfull.I thought Burley was our best player
    with Cammy and Shotton close behind ,the rest were mince.Still at least
    we got a point for a change....
49.519AYOV16::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthMon Nov 02 1992 12:0925
    Paul Burke has a hairline fracture of his leg (or possibly ankle) and
    will be out for a while. I think you're being hard on him saying he did
    nothing Danny, the guy tried hard but was out of touch with the way the
    team play. Burley and he will have to get some sort of understanding
    before he realises his potential. Barry Crews however showed some
    excellent touches for an 18 year old. He rushed the only chance he had
    and fluffed it 18 feet wide but overall he had a reasonable
    performance. Carse was played out of position as a right midfielder and
    we have yet to see the best of him. If we have a fit squad to choose
    from, I'd like to see Carse playing off Graham who could provide the
    knockdowns for him. Ferguson had 2 excellent saves , one in each half
    which kept Accies in it and over the piece a draw was probably correct.
    One final word on the match officials. It is not often I praise them
    but the ref was very good and caught Accies at every one of their
    sneaky cheating exploits. The best thing he did was book that old thug
    Harris although he should have been booked before the challenge on
    Agnew.
    
    Only 2 points worse than this position last year and we called it a
    good start !
    
    Raith's unbeaten run to end at Somerset next week. You heard it here
    first !
    
    Kev...
49.520On the rack...MADBAS::DSMITHONE THOMAS BROLIN...Mon Nov 02 1992 18:4916
    
    
     Kev, Burke has ligament damage to his ankle so he'll probably be out
    for a lengthy period. 
    
     We're now beginning to suffer from lack of depth and talent of a first
    team squad. Burley only had 14 players to choose from on Saturday. With
    Burke and George both injured, he'll be struggling to pick a team to
    try and defeat Raith this week. I'd like to think Ayr can be the first
    team to beat Raith this season, but although I think we're pretty solid
    at the back, Raith could over-run us in midfield and give us a bit of a
    doing. Traynor and Robertson were crap on Saturday but then again, they
    were signed as full-backs and not midfielders.
    
     Danny.
     
49.521MADBAS::DREESRelegation....??Mon Nov 02 1992 20:2311
    
     re. last    
    
 <  We're now beginning to suffer from lack of depth and talent of a first >
 <  team squad.							           >
        
     I beg your pud Dan......we've been suffering from this for as long as
     I can rememeber !!!
    
    
     Delbert the part timer.
49.522Has the chairman brought his boots PAKORA::GMCDONALDUNITEDTue Nov 03 1992 02:2615
    
    
    Dan/Kev     I know Burke will be out for some time as will Kennedy but
                what is the position with George ? Will he make it on
                Saturday for the Raith game ? If he doesn't and Mair is in
                the the same boat that will leave us with a real pick and
                mix midfield of Robertson (right back) Traynor (right back)
                Crews (right winger) and McTurk (striker).With Carse on the 
                bench on his own. 
    
                I think Kev is right ,I fancy us to upset the Raith machine
               but we will need some luck with our injuries if we are to do 
                the buisness..
    
    
49.523Raith unbeatenKIRKTN::APRYCETue Nov 03 1992 03:556
    
    	I take Raith to beat Ayr 3-1 with Dazzer scoring two.We will be too
    	strong for a weakened Ayr side and win with some style.
    
    					SQF RRFC
    
49.524Now where to hide !!!MASALA::GMCDONALDUNITEDTue Nov 03 1992 06:539
    
    
    Al,             Has that American sun baked your brain its Ayr that
    your coming to play not those soft touches from up the road,you'll get the
    same treatment that those Pars got ....a drilling     ;-)
    
    
                    SQF HM..
                        
49.525Stairway to heavenKIRKTN::APRYCETue Nov 03 1992 07:1412
    
    
    	The Pars are easy meat right now,even my granny could beat them and
    	she died a good few years ago.Raith have hit the winning trail
        again after a wee sticky patch,I know it will be a hard game but
    	you know us Fifers ,we'll not give anything away if we can help it.
    	(We'll maybe sell it if the price is right),I still think Raith
        will win.    :-):-)
    
    				SQF RRFC
    
    
49.526" Who's on my terminal"KURMA::DMILNESTOP THAT ITS NO NATURALTue Nov 03 1992 08:377
    Sal,
    
    	When are you going to stop writing crazy stories of woe and torment
        and get down to admiting that your team are'nt even in the same
        league as the real men up the road..
    
        Raith to win by the odd goal in 9........ 
49.527TOFFEE !!!!!MASALA::GMCDONALDUNITEDTue Nov 03 1992 23:538
    Dav and McCall( who is currently working you from the back)
    
                Killie are indeed in the same league as us .I know this
    because I remember Ayr stuffing them 2-0 in our easiest game of the
    season.    8-))))))))))))))
    
                   SQF HM  ....
    
49.528the buck stops here !!!!KIRKTN::GMCDONALDUNITEDMon Nov 09 1992 16:3411
    Lads,     Derby day will soon be on us again what are your thoughts on
             the trip up the A77 to play our little cousins ??
    
              Will it be a repeat of the B+Q match or will we take the 
             squirrels out like a rotten tooth ??
    
              Will Del make his 2nd match of the season ?
     
              Will Lawrance be able to buy his first round of the season ?
    
                               SQF HM..
49.529mine's a shandy!!!AYOV14::LGRACEMon Nov 09 1992 16:447
    re last
    Sal,I will be there on saturday and in the Away end with the United
    faithful not like somebody I know who went into the home end with his
    squirrel cronies at the B+Q Cup game :-)
                                 Cheers
                                Lawrence
    P.S Okay the first round will be on me!!!!
49.530"Time to dance"KIRKTN::DMILNESTOP THAT ITS NO NATURALMon Nov 09 1992 17:3012
    
    Sally,
    
    Ma moneys on the big boys from Killie stuffin yous by at least 3.
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    Chester..........
49.531KIRKTN::GMCDONALDUNITEDMon Nov 09 1992 17:366
    Chester/Dav fae the Ness.
    
                           You don't have any money cos McCall has nabbed
    all your OT .;-)........
    
                           SQF HM/ROSE .....
49.532MADBAS::DREESRelegation....??Tue Nov 10 1992 14:4713
    
    Salbert,
    
       Don't think I'll be there. Went to the Raith game on Saturday and if
    that mob are top of the league God help the rest of us. Crap game with
    two crap teams...I'll nooooooo be back.  Looks like were struggling to
    get a fit 11 for the game in baghdad...still, it should be good enough to
    get at least a point from the vermin.  
    
     Delbert.
    
    ps. looks like Shotton will have to find someone else to put in his back
        pocket after Williamson's sending off at Parland.
49.533It's a long way to the top ten!!!AYOV14::LGRACEMon Nov 16 1992 11:4724
    What is happening to United? Haven't they got the bottle for the Derby
    games? That is twice in a few weeks I have travelled to Baghdad to see
    them being humilitated by Killie,yet it seems that Killie don't seem to
    strike that kind of form against other teams.I have now seen Raith,
    St Mirren,Morton and Dunfermline,and none of them have destroyed us the 
    way killie have in the past two derby matches.It is hard to accept such
    a poor performance on saturday especially after the way we played
    against Raith last week in a game we should have won.I have always been
    a supporter of Burley but I just couldn't understand his team selection
    against Killie,firstly Robertson is clearly struggling in midfield,he
    was outstanding at right back when he joined us,so I thought it would
    have made sense to put him back into defence instead of putting Traynor
    back,also we rushed to sign McGuigan for saturday's game and then put
    him on the bench and played Mair who has been injured on and off for
    weeks and hasn't even been playing reserve football.It is got to be
    asked why did we wait so long before introducing Carse,this man
    deserved a game before Mair and even Crews.We simply made too many
    changes from the previous week and we never looked like doing anything.
    We are badly needing an injection of money quickly as we can't survive
    on buying free transfers or juniors,the present board have no money,and
    I have it in good authority that Loudon wants out of Ayr but nobody is
    interested in buying into the club so it looks like gloomy times ahead.
                      one of the many disillusioned
                              Lawrence
49.534"There's only one big team in Ayrshire"KIRKTN::DMILNETue Nov 17 1992 02:5514
    SQF humble man....
    
    
    I hate to say it but I was right......
    
    By all accounts Ayr were lucky to get away with a three nil drubbing...
    
    
    
   Dav Bu's
    
    ps.. The Bu's have stated that they are lookin for some" easy" games
    before we play in the junior cup,so tell George to sit by the phone....
    
49.535been here before ,me thinks.MASALA::GMCDONALDTue Nov 17 1992 08:4713
    
    Dav,     Well Dav you did warn me indeed,perhaps I should have listened
    to you . "Humble Man" Not for a minuite ,every dog has his day and last
    Saturday was most definetly not ours 8-( but we live to fight another
    day.
    
             As for the 'Ness looking for easy games well your in a league
    full of them,bar the mighty"Rose" that is .
    
               SQF HM ( FOR EVER AND EVER)
    
    Ps    Well done to the Killie played well and deserved the points .
           
49.536Who's got the answers...?MADBAS::DSMITHONE THOMAS BROLIN...Wed Nov 18 1992 19:4117
    
    
     The sad thing about Saturdays drubbing was that Killie did not look
    particularly good, Ayr were simply shocking. 
    
     Why did Burley sign Robertson, a good and proven full-back, yet
    continue to play him in midfield? Why sign McQuigan(sp), an experienced
    player, but leave him on the bench in favour of a largely untried
    McVie? Why play Mair who has done very little since he came to Somerset
    and who's obviously not 100% fit? Why play Traynor at all, he's been
    crap for months now.
    
     It's hard having a limited pool of players and no cash to spent.
    Burley is doing the best he can with a bad lot but he's made one or
    two silly mistakes in team selections (just my opinion of course).
    
     Danny.
49.537Another one bites the dust.MADBAS::DSMITHONE THOMAS BROLIN...Fri Nov 20 1992 13:077
    
    
       Ally Fraser has joined the Ayr reserve team at Stranraer. Given
      the number of ex-Ayr players down there, they must be looking good
      for one of the promotion spots this season.
    
      Danny.
49.538AYR 5 SONS 3MASALA::GMCDONALDMon Nov 23 1992 10:547
    Kev/Dan
    
            What about a match report from Saturdays game for all us
    ex pats ??
    
    
              SQF HM..
49.539AYOV11::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthMon Nov 23 1992 12:0642
    Ayr United 5 Dumbarton 3
    
    A lively and entertaining match (if you like goalkeeping errors) played
    in horrendous conditions. Ayr swept Dumbarton away in the early stages
    with an attacking display which brought 2 goals in the first 15 mins.
    After about 6 mins Ayr had won 3 or 4 corners and on the last John
    Traynor dived full length at the back post to send a header in off the
    bar. Ayr continued to attack and scored again when Robertson pounced on
    a rebound off the keeper from a Walker shot to blast home from 10
    yards. He looked really chuffed that he had managed to pop one into the
    opponents net for a change. Ayr dropped a gear rather than killing off
    the sons and as a result let them back into the game when Gibson rose
    unchallenged to send a glancing header in off the back post. Cammy
    stood and watched both the cross and the header and appeared rooted to
    the spot. Second half brought another whirlwind start when for about
    the 20th time in the match, Paul Martin fouled big Ally and the ref
    pointed to the spot. Gordon Mair made no mistake with a crisply struck
    shot into the keepers left hand corner of the net. Again Ayr let them
    back into the game with another "Missing In ACtion" performance at a
    corner when Mooney touched home from 3 yards with Cammy the Windmill
    blaming everyone bar himself. Bobby McConville was then ordered off for
    a terrible challenge on McGuigan in 59 mins. In 68 mins it was 4-2 with
    the best goal of the game. A corner from McGuigan was cleared as far as
    Mair on the edge of the box and he hammered a shot over the advancing
    defence and in to the postage stamp corner for a real cracker. Yet
    again the match see-sawed when after another corner which Cammy got
    nowhere near, the ball struck an Ayr defender on the line and a penalty
    was awarded. Mooney made no mistake , sending Duncan the wrong way. 4-3
    Cammy then redeemed himself with a wonderful fingertip save in the last
    minute under severe pressure. The ball was cleared to McVie and he
    started the move which culminated in a cross from McGuigan which the
    keeper fumbled under pressure from Ally and the ball broke to Mair 10
    yards out and he slammed it home to complete the scoring. 
    
    Shotton and Duncan, usually the two players which keep Ayr in the game
    had poor performances which cost Ayr 3 goals. Howard and McVie didn't
    help. Walker had another stinker and Burley only lasted 35 minutes
    before his hamstring went again.
    
    Best for Ayr were Mair,Big Ally, Robertson and McGuigan.
    
    Kev....
49.540WARRIORS CLUB!!!!!MASALA::GMCDONALDMon Nov 23 1992 12:358
    Kev/Fin
    
    
            Are you going to the Stirling match at Warrior land next
    Tuesday if so I could meet you in the club for a pre match beer ?
    
    
           SQF HM..
49.541AYOV11::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthMon Nov 23 1992 14:107
    Sal,
    	What game is this ?
    
    	I thought the midweek game against stirling was on Jan 26th at
    Somerset (according to the fixture list anyway).
    
    Kev...
49.5421st-Dec-1992MADBAS::DSMITHONE THOMAS BROLIN...Mon Nov 23 1992 14:259
    
    
     Kev,
    
        according to the fixture list, Ayr are away to Stirling on the
    1st December which is a week on Tuesday. I don't think I'll be one
    of the many thousands travelling that night!!
    
     Danny.
49.543KURMA::GMCDONALDMon Nov 23 1992 16:577
    Kev/Dan,
    
                Do any of you have any info on Paul McGovern ex Partick and
    Hibs ,who was on the bench in the Dumbarton game .According to the Sun
    Burley is ready to sign him..
    
                               SQF HM..
49.544PAKORA::TDOLANMon Nov 23 1992 18:5710
    
    
    Sal,
    
    	This Paul McGovern wouldn`t happen to be about
    	21 years old would he ?????
    
    Tam.....
    
    
49.545AYOV11::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthMon Nov 23 1992 19:126
    I have it on good authority, (a thistle fan) that he is quite highly
    thought of but is finding it difficult to break into the first team.
    
    i don't expect Lambie to be too difficult to deal with.
    
    Kev...
49.546Dae yi ken him Tam..KIRKTN::GMCDONALDMon Nov 23 1992 19:213
    Tam,     Aye,I think he is around that age,spill the beans Tam.
    
                             Sal.
49.547Here A Bit !! 8-)PAKORA::TDOLANMon Nov 23 1992 20:3015
    
    	Sal,
    
    	I`ve played against him, maybe 8 or 9 times at under 18
    	level, when he was with Hutchi Vale & Hibs. 
    
    	He`s a very sound defender, fit, fast,not bad in the air 
    	and he reads the game very well. His only bad point is that
    	he tends to try and be too flash at times and seems to get 
    	caught out quite a bit, but, if the Ayr Utd management can
    	get him to keep his mind on his game, he will do a good job
    	for you`s and could possibly be one to watch for in the future.
    
    	Tam.....
    
49.548LOUDON MUST GO.....MASALA::GMCDONALDWed Nov 25 1992 12:539
    
    
             Anyone got any news on the rumoured return of Bill Barr to the 
    board.Is there also any truth in the rumour that Loudon will be gone by
    Xmas.
    
             SQF HM..
    
                                                                    
49.549THE PRODIGAL SON RETURNSAYOV17::FHEWITSONAYR AYR SUPER AYRThu Nov 26 1992 05:5212
    
    
    
    
    
    The POST quoted last night that Shaggy will not be signing for
    liverpool after all,But will he agree terms with GB and sign a contract
    with us, I hope so .
    
    the beath on saturday i'll go for 2-0 victory 
    
    cheers fin...
49.550Burley must stay...BUSSTP::DSMITHONE THOMAS BROLIN...Fri Dec 04 1992 11:2819
    
    
    News today that the wise men on the board at Somerset are quite
    prepared to let George Burley move to another job if one becomes
    available. Burley was interviewed last month for the Cambridge Utd
    job but was unsuccessful. The report in the Daily Record also stated
    that Burley was under pressure following recent results and that the
    fans also wanted him to go. 
    
     I don't think Burley should be under any pressure at all, the team
    have lost 2 games at home to Meadowbank and Cowdenbeath. If they had
    won these games they would be challenging for 2nd spot just now. There
    are a few empty-heads in the terracing who would rather return to the
    days of Ally McLeod and division 2 football. Burley has done a lot for
    Ayr United on and off the field with very limited resources. He's had
    to reduce the number of full-time players to save cash and try and
    build a team with free-transfers and young players.
    
     Danny
49.551What no money!!!!!!!AYOV14::LGRACEFri Dec 04 1992 15:2116
    Re last
    I read the story in the Daily Record regarding Burley's
    departure,however the SUN carries a story saying the exact opposite.
    Burley is quoted in the SUN as saying that he was down south on family
    business and he will remain at Ayr until his contact expires at the end
    of the season at least but would hope to be at Ayr for years to come.It
    just goes to show how much crap is spoken in the press here we have to
    papers printing conflicting stories.I am a big fan of Burley's and
    those fans who supposedly shouted for his sacking must have really
    short memories.I reckon we can't judge Burley until he has money to
    work with,he has done well with no money.Jim Fleeting had a fortune at
    his disposal but squandered most of it,I am confident that if Burley
    had been given the same kind of money that we would be playing Premier 
    League football.
                                    'L'                                 
    
49.552THE BOARD MUST GOAYOV17::FHEWITSONAYR AYR SUPER AYRFri Dec 04 1992 17:4712
    L, 
      Hear hear lawrence,GB has done a good job since he took over utd,he's
    got the youth policy started up and is going well.
    I think some of the money problems started when "AULD SENILE McLEOD" 
    gave some duffers fulltime contracts who most of are down at stranraer
    now (all good 2nd div players )and the rest are playing JUNIOR for
    other teams
    
    any predictions for the buddies tomorrow i'll go for a 1-0 victory
    
    
    cheers fin
49.553LOUDON OUT !!!!!!KIRKTN::GMCDONALDFri Dec 04 1992 22:4318
    
    
    Re last 3..        I agree with all the coments here,it would be a
    disaster if Burley was allowed to leave ,but the fact of the matter is
    if he wants to go then they can't really stop him.I think he would have
    been in foe the Cambridge job, and who can blame him, its a much biggar 
    club than ours and last year it reached the play offs ,( I think).
                      Also add to this the fact that Burley has never sold
    his house down south and that his wife is from that area and you can
    see why this story may hold water.
                      This should be taken as a warning to the Ayr
    board,for if he left we would be in real trouble.Every effort should be
    made to find this man funds to run a serious pool of players with a
    view to promotion.
    
                       SQF HM..
    
                          
49.554AYOV11::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthMon Dec 07 1992 12:2452
    Ayr United 2 - 0 St Mirren
    
    This game started with a storm outside the ground and ended up with one
    inside. For the second time this season, Ayr got the better of Saints
    with a battling second half performance when they were facing the teeth
    of a gale-force wind. Saints started the game as if they would sweep
    Ayr aside easily and it took two excellent stops in the first 3 minutes
    by Super Cammy to keep Ayr in the game. Ayr came more into the game and
    forced a couple of goal-line clearances and some fine saves from Money.
    The pressure eventually told when Ally Graham rose to a Burley free
    kick and headed beyond Money's reach in the 45th minute. He promptly
    dropped his shorts to his knees and revealed the largest pair of white
    y-fronts I have ever seen to the Somerset End. He was booked for this.
    He later explained to reporters that a certain section of the crowd
    were giving him stick and he was "replying" to them. 
    
    Second half started a the first with Saints harnessing a strong wind
    for the first ten minutes and looking likely to equalise although never
    actually getting a shot on target. Again Ayr came into it and almost
    scored when Burley smashed a volley inches over from a corner. They
    controlled the remainder of the game however and had several chances to
    increase their lead before the game exploded in the 82nd minute.
    Lambert went in very late on Gordon Mair  and there was a loud crack
    which initially was thought to be a broken leg. Mair's right shin-guard
    had in fact split in two with the force of the tackle and Lambert was
    ordered off. He even had the cheek to complain and he had already been
    booked. Barry Lavety , Saints star striker was next to go. He had
    arrived after 60 minutes or so and his first tackle was a foul on
    Shotton which the Messiah was less than impressed with and earned the
    Fat One a word in his shell-like from the ref. He obviously did not
    heed this warning as from the free-kick for the Lambert incident the
    ball was played to Mair on the edge of the box and Lavety promptly
    assaulted him. He departed , not surprisingly. The Saints supporters
    were becoming rather irate and a shower of missiles arrived on the
    pitch, aimed mainly at Mair and Graham. 2 minutes later and the game
    was over as a contest when Walker blasted home at the second attempt
    from close range. CHic Charnley , that darling of the Somerset fans
    saved the best to last when he was sent off in the last minute for an
    off the ball incident. It was later alleged in the press that he spat
    on Duncan George. Trust Chico to make my day complete. St Mirren are
    rapidly turning into a team like Airdrie, basically thugs with a
    support to match. They got what they deserved for their disgraceful
    performance. No team has finished a game with 8 men at Somerset in my
    memory (although Killie did against Ayr at Rugby Park in 1988) and the
    SFA must surely do something to combat the Paisley Hooligans, and their
    supporters. 
    
    We now have 20 points from 20 games. The same as this point last year.
    Not such a bad season after all.
    
    Kev...  
    
49.555AYOU48::JHILLMon Dec 07 1992 18:2610
    
    Good point about our points tally Kev and if we win tomorrow night
    we'll only be 6 points off a promotion place. A nice wee run of results
    over the next 4-5 weeks would certainly put a different face on things
    down Somerset way.
    
    
    
    
    Steep. 
49.556into the next roundAYOV17::FHEWITSONAYR AYR SUPER AYRTue Dec 08 1992 10:439
    
    
    
    Dunfermline (AWAY) scottish cup 3rd rnd. jan 9th
    
    cowdenbeath tonight i'll go for 2-1 to utd 
    
    
    fin...
49.557AYOV16::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthWed Dec 09 1992 12:2518
    
    Cowdenbeath 2 - 2 Ayr United
    		      (Graham 14, Traynor 36)
    
    No match report as I missed my first match in about a year, however the
    papers said Graham capitalised on a goalkeeping error and Traynor
    scored from a Mair cross. Cowden came back to equalise twice. Thats 3
    points we've given to them this season and they only have 5 !  
    
    Dunfermline at home on Saturday, another set of thugs who are trying to
    kick their way out of division 1. Look out for Neale Cooper kicking
    anything above grass level as usual and Roddy Grant moaning the face of
    whatever unlucky ref we get.
    
    1-1 draw.
    
    Kev...
    
49.558BUSSTP::DREESRelegation....??Wed Dec 09 1992 19:2410
    
    When you consider we dropped a total of 6 pts to Cowdenbeath,
    Meadowbank and Stirling it shows we've done not too badly against the
    teams above us. If we had been able to take 4 of those 6 points we'd
    be joint 3rd !
    
    Just shows what a crap standard of football is being played in the 1st
    division !
    
    Del.
49.559LOUDON MUST GO !!!!!!PAKORA::GMCDONALDI LOVE THE JAMBO'SThu Dec 10 1992 11:3333
    
    
    KEV,       I was at Cowden on Tues, it was a point given away.We had
    total control on the game and chucked the point away with two terrible
    defencive errors.The first with the score at 1-0 thanks to Walker diving
    in on the keeper and the ball breaking to Graham who scored from a
    yard,,Howard left his man in the box after Shotton and Burley got done
    at the near post,the 2nd was Burley's fault he also left his man to
    head clear but missed timed his header and the ball dropped to the
    striker who scored past  Cammy with some ease.Traynor scored our 2nd,it
    was the best goal we've scored all season,we actually played some
    football during the build up.Cammy through out to Agnew who passed 30
    yards to Mair who crossed to the edge of the box Traynor brought  it
    down with one pin and bagged it with the other,right in the top corner.
          It was a point dropped but I suppose 6 out of 8 is not bad ,Pars
    next ,that  should be a toughie..
    
                  Cammy    5/10  little to do bar pick them out.
                  Burley   7/10  one error .
                  Agnew    7/10  looks a lot better .
                  Shotton  9/10  best 'half in the league by a mile.
                  Howard   5/10  suspect
                  George   5/10  the usuall .
                  Robertson 6/10 not a bad game but scored the venture to
                                 far .
                  Mair     7/10  a lot better,but  that  wouldn't be hard .
                  Traynor  7/10  "      "     "     "     "     "     "
                  Walker   8/10  Had 3 shots cleared of the line in last min.
                  Graham   6/10  scored 1 missed 3 the usuall.
    
                 subs  McGuigan  4/10  played out of position
                       Carse     not used..
    
49.560On a roll......BUSSTP::DSMITHONE THOMAS BROLIN...Mon Dec 14 1992 21:3020
    
    
    Another win on Saturday against promotion hopefuls Dunfermline. After
    stuffing St. Mirren last week, Ayr have forced themselves into the
    fringes of the promotion race. The way Raith are going just now, it's
    all about 2nd place for the likes of Killie, Dunfermline, St. Mirren,
    Hamilton and hopefully ourselves, although we've probably got the
    weakest squad amongst those mentioned. However, as Burley said on
    Saturday, there's not much between most of the teams involved in the
    battle at the top. A win against Meadowbank on Saturday could see Ayr
    climb a couple of places in the league. We're then away to Raith on
    Boxing day before the usual stuffing of Killie on the 2nd of January
    (NOT!!!)
    
      According to today's rags, McQuigan (sp) has been released by Ayr and
    somebody Robertson has been signed on a part-time contract from the
    mighty Stirling Albion. Let's hope he's another good freebie picked up
    by Burley.
    
      Danny. 
49.561AYOV16::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthWed Dec 16 1992 12:0918
    "somebody Robertson"
    
    Don't tell me you can't remember the most annoying wee nyaff ever to
    play at Somerset ?  He played midfield for SA and is about 4 foot 11
    when he jumps, and he's 32 ! Another waste of money. 
    
    I see that ambassador to the game of football , namely James " Chic "
    Charnley has finally been shown the door from Love Street. He has
    suffered a fate usually reserved for managers, the boot. How sad .
    
    p.s.  Watch out for Alex Totten taking over at East End Park as I can't
    see Jocky Scott and Gordon Wallace lasting into the New Year the way
    they are going. Saturday's Pars performance was the worst I have seen
    since .......well...... the last time we played them. Hee Hee Hee.
    
    Gloat On !
    
    Kev...
49.562BUSSTP::DREESRelegation....??Wed Dec 16 1992 15:0314
    
    
    
    Hopefully this "wee nyaff" won't be "Another waste of money", Kev. All
    Burley's signings have done a job even if some of them were just for a
    short period of time ie. McLean,Auld.  We have been lacking badly in
    midfield all season, so any addition is welcome. I'm not quite as
    confident as Dan,when he says were back on the fringes of promotion,but
    another 2pts on Saturday will certainly boost the confidence for the 2
    tough games after that. Lets not get carried away just because we
    haven't lost in 5 games....we are a very poor side. Although I've been
    to only a handfull of games this season it is very noticable that the
    standard is not as good as previous seasons. How else could you explain
    Killie being in 2nd place !
49.563Surely not...?BUSSTP::DSMITHONE THOMAS BROLIN...Wed Dec 16 1992 18:478
    
    
    
    Kev, I presume that's the wee nyaff that was constantly having a go
    at Duncan George and always came off second best. If it is, I can't
    see him improving on what we've already got.
    
      Danny.
49.564AYOV16::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthThu Dec 17 1992 11:4914
    one and the same Danny,
    
    They used to be teammates at Annfield, but they did not appear to be
    mates on the park.  According to Burley he has not signed him purely as
    a squad player and he will be considered on his own merits. I take it
    that means we will not be seeing him in the first team.;-)
    
    The ghost-like atmosphere of the Commonwealth Stadium beckons this
    weekend. Ayr need to win to continue the push up the table and since
    they play Raith,Killie,Dunfermline,Hamilton and Morton after that, it
    could be our only points for a while. I'll go for 2-1 to Ayr. Super AG
    to continue his run and a rare goal from "Psycho Malky Shotton".
    
    Kev...
49.565BUSSTP::DREESRelegation....??Sun Dec 20 1992 11:5112
    
    
    Meadowbank 1 Ayr 0
    
    Well thats 4pts out of 4 lost to Meadowbank as well as 3pts out of 4
    lost to Cowdenbeath !!  
    
    Sad really. We seem to be able to take points off the better sides but
    we can't beat the poorer sides. A win yesterday would have put us in
    joint 4th place.
        
    Del.
49.566exAYOV11::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthMon Dec 21 1992 12:2223
    Another 2 points dropped to a bunch of poxy no-hopers who should be in
    Division 2. As usual Ayr looked completely lost in the Commonwealth
    Stadium, something to do with the lack of atmosphere,fans,shelter etc.
    Ayr lost to a goal from Malcolm Coyle after 50 minutes. He was allowed
    too much time and space on the edge of the box and he swivelled to fire
    into the far corner across Duncan. It was a preventable goal which the
    midfield men must take the blame for conceding. It is a while since I
    witnessed such an ineffectul midfield performance. Robertson and
    Traynor were utter rubbish and nobody gave the ball to Mair often
    enough for him to do anything. George started the game well but faded
    and was overshadowed by an excellent performance from Stuart Elder of
    Meadowbank who is one to watch for the future. Stuart "Wee Dwarfy Chap"
    Robertson was given his first outing as a sub for Ayr and looked good
    for about 10 minutes before being dragged down to Ayr's level. Carse
    was brought on for Walker but again got no service. Closest Ayr came
    was a Graham header from a corner which was cleared off the line.
    Most amusing incident was the mass humming of the theme to "The
    Twilight Zone" as Meadowbank ran onto the park accompanied by loud
    booing. They must be the only team who get booed onto the park every
    week, home or away. 
    Raith away next week. Here's hoping for a late Christmas pressie.
    
    
49.567AYOV11::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthMon Dec 21 1992 13:4655
    The story so far.....
    
    
    July
    18th Stranraer  	3-0	Gardner (2),Graham 		
    21st SOUTHAMPTON    1-0     Kennedy
    23rd MOTHERWELL     1-2     Shaw (pen)
    25th SUNDERLAND     0-0  

    August
1   1st  DUNFERMLINE    1-1     Mair		SO Kennedy
1   4th  MEADOWBANK     1-2     Agnew           BK George,Agnew,Robertson
2   8th  Clydebank      1-1     Walker          BK George,Mair
SK  11th Partick Th     0-2     -                    -
2   15th Raith Rovers   0-1     -               BK George
4   22nd KILMARNOCK*    2-0     Kennedy,        BK George,Agnew,Walker,Kennedy
				Montgomerie (OG)   Howard.
5   29th Hamilton       1-1     Graham          BK George
AC  30th Girvan         6-0     Carse 3 Shaw 2
				Howard
    
    September
5   5th  MORTON         0-2     -               SO Howard BK George,Graham
5   12th COWDENBEATH    0-1     -                    -
7   19th Dumbarton      3-0     Graham,Traynor  BK Mair,Agnew
				McTurk
7   26th St.Mirren      0-2     -               BK Kennedy,Walker
BQ  29th ST MIRREN      2-1     Walker (2)           -     
    
    October
9   3rd  STIRLING A.    2-1     Graham (2)           -
11  10th Dunfermline    3-1     Graham,McTurk   BK Robertson
				Traynor
13  17th CLYDEBANK      2-1     Traynor,Mair         -
BQ  20th Kilmarnock     0-1     -                    -
13  24th Morton         1-2     Shotton         BK McTurk
14  31st HAMILTON       0-0     -               BK Howard
    
    November
15  7th  RAITH ROVERS   1-1     Walker          BK George,Walker
15  14th Kilmarnock*    0-3     -               BK George,Walker,Shotton
						   Howard
17  21st DUMBARTON      5-3     Traynor,Mair(3) BK Shotton
				Robertson
-   28th Cowdenbeath    POSTPONED
    
    December
18  1st  Stirling Alb   0-0     -                    -
20  5th  ST.MIRREN      2-0     Graham,Walker   BK Graham,Robertson
21  8th  Cowdenbeath    2-2     Graham,Traynor       -
23  12th DUNFERMLINE    1-0     Graham               -
23  19th Meadowbank     0-1     -               BK George
    
    
    Kev...
49.568C'mon the no hopersKIRKTN::CPATRICKI only do it coz,I'm good at itMon Dec 21 1992 23:059
    RE.566
    
    Kev,
    
    I beleive that is 4 points these no hopers from the Commonwealth
    Stadium have taken off yous this season !!!
    
    
    SQF Jambo
49.569AYOV11::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthWed Dec 23 1992 11:449
    Colin,
    	This is indeed true !  Ayr seem to have this failing against weaker
    opposition when we just can't turn our obvious superiority into a good
    result. (Makes me glad we don't have to visit any other poxy no-hopers
    in Edinburgh) 
    However we do manage to gub so-called Premier league and Super League
    teams such as St Mirren and Dunfermline on a fairly regular basis.
    
    Kev...
49.570Brewster must go.....BUSSTP::DSMITHONE THOMAS BROLIN...Sat Dec 26 1992 19:5811
    
    
      Another goal from Craig Brewster cancelled out Mair's 6th goal
     of the season. Brewster has now scored all 3 of Raith's goals 
     against Ayr this season, and just remember, we tried to sign him
     on several occassions when he was with Forfar. A point away from
     home against the league leaders must be acceptable. Hopefully a win
     next week against Killie who "bottled" it again against a team who
     played the whole 2nd half with 10 men. Shame really!!!
    
      Danny.
49.571Happy New Year...BUSSTP::DSMITHONE THOMAS BROLIN...Tue Jan 05 1993 13:3727
    
    
    
     Poor finishing in the first half cost Ayr at least a point in the
    new-year derby with Kilmarnock. Killie had the first chance when a
    mistake by Howard let Williamson through on Duncan but his shot struck
    the post and rebounded clear. Ayr then looked the better team but poor
    finishing and a good performance from Geddes in the Killie goal kept
    the score sheet blank at half time.
    
     Killie caught Ayr straight from the 2nd half kick off when a
    Williamson cross was turned in by Porteous. Kilmarnock then took
    control of the game and really should have scored 2 or 3 more as the
    game wore on. Geddes had a terrific save from Ayr's new signing
    McGivern late in the game to deny Ayr a point.
    
     What do others who were at the game think about Ayr's disallowed goal
    after 10 minutes? I though it was a perfectly valid goal as Geddes had
    made a save, knocking the ball BACK into play therefore playing the
    forwards onside. McGivern was given offside after Kennedy had knocked
    the rebound into the goal, even though from where I was he wasn't 
    interfering with play.
    
     McGivern should be a good signing for Ayr, even though he missed a
    couple of chances against his old team on Saturday.
    
     Danny.
49.572Treble busters..:-) :-)BUSSTP::DSMITHONE THOMAS BROLIN...Mon Jan 11 1993 21:5013
    
    
     A good 2-1 victory against Dunfermline on Saturday has been rewarded
    by a home tie against Rangers in the next round. I personally would
    have preferred the tie to be at Ibrox. Let's face it, Ayr won't win
    the tie and a full house at Ibrox would see a lot of cash coming Ayr's
    way. 
    
     That's 3 wins and a draw against Dunfermline this season. As they say,
    it's a funny old game. Kille are about 8 points clear of Ayr, yet they
    have lost all 3 of their games against Dunfermline this season.
    
     Danny.
49.573AYOV16::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthMon Jan 18 1993 11:5817
    Sandy Loudon has at last seen the light and resigned. He obviously did
    not want to leave while the club were going through a bad patch so he 
    waited until they had beaten the Pars (again) and drawn Rangers at home
    in the next round and decided enough was enough. Donnie McIntyre is the
    new chairman and George Smith has been temporarily co-opted onto the
    board to maintain a quorom. Rumour has it that Alex Ingram and
    A.N.Other will be appointed to the board in due course. It may be due
    to Ingram sponsoring the Paisley Thugs that he will wait until the end
    of the season before coming onto the board. Time will tell.
    
    The game at Douglas Swamp has been re-arranged for Wednesday and will
    definitely go ahead....
    
    NOT !
    
    
    Kev...
49.574Rangers game ticketsAYOV27::SALLENWed Jan 20 1993 10:495
    On entry to the Morton game on Saturday you will receive a voucher
    which will allow you to purchase a ticket inside the ground. This was
    on the club call this morning.
    
    ... Stevie
49.575 AYOV11::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthWed Jan 20 1993 12:0519
    
    More ticket info....
    
    Rangers have been given the away end (should think so to !) and this
    amounts to 3700 tickets which will be distributed in the normal way.
    
    As Stevie says, Ayr fans attending the Morton game will be given a
    voucher on paying at the turnstiles and this can be used to buy a
    ticket inside the ground. This will probably apply to the game against
    Stirling on the 26th as well. How many of the Ayr tickets will be sold
    during these games I don't know but it will probably mean that some
    will be left and they will go on public sale at the ground nearer the
    time. I hope they don't let many Rangers supporters into the Ayr end.
    Season tickets are valid without the need of a voucher/ticket. 
    
    Looks like some people might need to actually go to a game before the
    Rangers game (morning Del !)
    
    Kev...
49.576AyrAYOV27::SALLENWed Jan 20 1993 13:494
    Ayr have apparently signerd Bobby Russel the former Rangers player
    
    
    ... Stevie
49.577BUSSTP::DREESRelegation....??Wed Jan 20 1993 17:2814
    
    re .575
    
    Kev...what are you trying to say !!!!
    
    Me a part time supporter.....nah.
    
    Anyway I've got my ticket courtesy of the supporters club. I couldn't
    risk not seeing the day Rangers treble ambitions bit the dust !
    
    Del.
    
    ps. The Stirling game on Tuesday could be a possilbility.
                                                             
49.578Mair Huns than a Hunnery....Count me in!!!MASALA::GMCKEESat Jan 23 1993 10:4214
    
    Hello Hello,
    
    	Hi Kev,hate to tell you this but I reckon there'll be a rake of
    red,white and blue mixed in with the black and white stuff. I already
    know of a dozen or so and that's only through here. I reckon after
    Rangers and Ayr have taken up their tickets that 3-4000 will be up for
    grabs. I bet there'll be a few unknown faces at today's game. Possibly
    Ayr's biggest crowd (apart from the the games against your squirrel
    buddies).
    
    		Cheers,
    			Gordon....( I feel a weekend in the homeland coming
    on).
49.579AYOV16::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthMon Jan 25 1993 14:1818
    Hello to you too Gordon,
    
    Unfortunately for Rangers supporters, STRICT segregation will be
    enforced at the game and anyone found in the wrong end will be ejected
    immediately. No one will be allowed into the Ayr end wearing Rangers
    colours and vice-versa. According to the Sunday Mason, almost all the
    tickets were sold on Saturday and the rest are up for grabs on Tuesday
    night. Doesn't look like there will be many left for public sale
    between now and Feb 6th. I know of a few irate supporters who will
    report any interlopers in the Ayr end to the stewards, whose duty it is
    to remove them. (These irate people are enclosurites who had to give up
    their "normal" standing area against Motherwell in the cup last year
    and move to the opposite side of the tunnel , only to find that area
    contaminated with Maroon and Amber scarves, and they are not willing to
    let this happen this year).
    
    
    	Kev...
49.580AYOV16::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthWed Jan 27 1993 11:5724
    Ayr 2 - 2 Stirling Albion
    
    Ayr threw away a point last night in a game they should have won by 2
    or 3 goals. Poor defending saw Ayr 2-0 down after 31 minutes, the first
    a free header at the back post and the second was a free-kick from 40
    yards which eluded everyone and ended up in Cammy's right hand corner
    of the net. To their credit, Ayr never gave up and should have gone in
    at the interval level after so much pressure and chances. Traynor
    finally pulled one back with a tremendous left-foot volley from 20
    yards which screamed over the defence and in at the postage stamp
    corner. Bobby Russell made his debut and was unlucky to see a
    blistering shot deflected onto the bar and to safety. A Mair free-kick
    brought a brilliant save from McGeown and he teams went in with the
    score 2-1 to Albion. Ayr started the second half as they finished the
    first , on the attack, and were eventually rewarded when a pass from
    McGivern found Mair free in the box and he shot into the keepers left
    hand corner. Plenty of pressure in the remaining time only brought
    frustration as the ball would just not go in the net. Closest was
    Russell again with a volley from 10 yards which an Albion defender
    miraculously cleared of the line with a header. All in all , a point
    dropped.
    
    Kev...
    
49.581AYOV16::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthThu Jan 28 1993 11:529
    The capacity for the cup-tie against Rangers has been increased to
    13,918. Extra tickets will be available for both sets of supporters.
    
    The share issue is going ahead and is expected to raise about 3/4 of a
    million. 
    
    Russell is not on a game-to-game contract but a 1 month deal.
    
    K....
49.582PAKORA::GMCDONALDThu Jan 28 1993 12:076
    Kev,        Any idea who is going to pump that kind of money into Utd ?
    I don't see Ingram or Barr having a cool million to inject into Ayr.
    
                How are these "new" tickets to be sold ?
    
                          SQF HM...
49.583AYOV16::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthThu Jan 28 1993 16:0910
    The idea behind it appears to be that the 110 existing shareholders are
    offered new shares on a "5 for every 2 held" basis. It also leaves the
    door open for new directors to buy into the club. I'm not sure of it
    yet, I'll let you know when I find out more.
    
    The remaining tickets will be sold today to season ticket holders (I
    just bought 5 an hour ago) and any remaining will be sold on a public
    sale basis after 10am tomorrow at the ground.
    
    Kev...
49.584PAKORA::GMCDONALDFri Jan 29 1993 15:544
    Kev,       Whats the team news for the Bankies match on Sat.
    
    
                        SQF HM..
49.585AYOV16::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthFri Jan 29 1993 16:1311
    Sal,
    
    The only thing I have heard is that Agnew will not be playing tomorrow
    and has only a 50-50 chance of playing in the cup game. I would expect
    that Stuart Robertson may give way to Kennedy or G Robertson at left
    back. Howard was dropped for the Stirling game and Traynor had a good
    game at centre-half so I expect him to stay in the team. Hopefully
    Russell will play, even at 35 with bad knees he's still got class.
    
    Kev...
     
49.586Never a fitba player !PAKORA::JJACKc|e|l|t|i|c|Fri Jan 29 1993 16:169
    
    Sorry Kev....
    
    Bobby Russell ????....Class !!!!!
    
    Come on Kev, he didn't even have any when he played with Govanites !!
    
    
     
49.587MASALA::GMCDONALDSat Jan 30 1993 20:286
    
        Clydebank  1:1  Ayr United
         Eadie            Russell
    
    
     Kev,  Any chance of a match report ??
49.588AYOV16::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthMon Feb 01 1993 12:2626
    Ayr were a shade fortunate to leave Kilbowie with a point after a poor
    second half let Bankies back into a game that Ayr should have had won
    in the first half.  Stringing some great passing movements together and
    running the show in the first half, Ayr should have been 2 or 3 up
    before Eadie scored completely against the run of play in the 28th
    minute. A long through ball from the keeper eluded Shotton then Traynor
    and left Eadie with a simple chance from 10 yards. Ayr equalised when
    Kennedy and Robertson combined to leave Russell with a chance which he
    sent into Woods' left hand corner after 32 minutes. 2 minutes later
    Eadie struck the bar with a rasping drive and Wilson fired the rebound
    over the bar. Second half was poor with Bankies showing up better and
    Ayr hitting on the break when they could. The midfield dropped out of
    it completely and McGivern was subbed for Walker who livened things up
    a bit. Henry hit the Ayr bar in the 70 th minute and a fantastic double
    save from Cammy with 9 mins to go ensured a point for Ayr. Big Ally was
    my MOM although he spoiled it a bit by being the only booking. 
    
    Rangers reserves at home tonight.
    
    Kev...
    
    
    ps  C'mon JJ , take off those green and white tinted specs and realise
    that there are/were some good players who did not/do not play for
    Celtic. Russell is classy in his present company and was classy when he
    played for Rangers. Most football supporters would agree. 
49.589lambs to the slaughter...?BUSSTP::DREESThree good buddies were...Wed Feb 03 1993 14:1711
    
    Any brave or foolish men like to make a favourable prediction 
    for Saturday ??
    
    Not me...my only hope is that if we don't lose a goal in the first 
    10mins we might keep the score down to 3 or 4.  But then again......
    
    Del...making his 4th appearence of the season. 
    
    
    
49.590AYOV16::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthWed Feb 03 1993 16:2321
    If Duncan doesn't lose a goal to the first back post cross, I'll be
    surprised and chuffed.  Hateley will climb all over Traynor and McCoist
    will be there to pick up the pieces and if we lose an early goal then
    it could be a cricket score. 
    
    
    However, we may just manage to keep the score respectable (0-2,1-3)
    
    I just hope there is no humiliation involved. Ayr have nothing to lose
    and should go out and attack Rangers. Playing 10 men behind the ball
    would be suicide against the best team of foreigners in Scotland.
    As there appears to be no competition to Rangers domination of the
    league perhaps they SHOULD go into a Euro-Super league, after all they
    hardly have a Scotsman in the team.
    Goram-English,Stevens-English,Gough-South African,McPherson-American,
    Mikhailitchenko-Ukraine,Kuznetsov-Ukraine,Gordon-English,Huistra-Dutch
    Steven-English.
    
    Kev...
    
    
49.591 PREDICTION 8^QAYOV17::BGILCHRISTWed Feb 03 1993 16:313
    
    
                Ayr 0 Rangers 10
49.592KILLIE ARE BACKKIRKTN::CREILLYCHARLIEWed Feb 03 1993 20:2510
    What do you mean kev it could be a cricket score.....??????
    anyway,good LUCK you'll need it.
    
    
               AYR 1 RANGERS 4
                             
      
                            CHARLIE.
                              
                               (SQF)
49.593Killie in the 1/4 finals 8-)).KIRKTN::GMCDONALDFri Feb 05 1993 07:4720
    
    Charlie,
          
           Rangers by 4-1 sounds about right to me,anything else would be a
    bonus.What else can you expect when faced with a team that cost
    millions,anyway we won't disgrace the county in this tourney,unlike our
    nasty wee cousins from up the road who have left the cup in recent
    years with defeats from such world class outfits as Stranraer,Qos and
    Meadowbank. Not forgeting their 0-3 stuffing in the highlands from 
    Inverness(I'm told 4 of the 'ness players had sandshoes on) !!!  
    
           Bring on the boys fae the Gla,BTW the water will be too cold for 
    a swim lads,but come back for the fair in July it should be okay by
    then.Red cola and fish suppers are at the normal prices !!   8*)))).
    
    
                 SQFHM..
    
       
    
49.594Isn't Rab C Nesbitt from down Govan way ????PAKORA::JJACKI pray to MaccaFri Feb 05 1993 08:308
    
    Here's hoping you're wrong for once (What am I saying, Sal's always
    wrong) & the Honest men gub the Dishonest men of the Govan MIM Works
    XI.
    
    SQFCSC
    
    
49.595SUPER AYR ,PRIDE OF THE COUNTY !!KIRKTN::GMCDONALDMon Feb 08 1993 00:1132
    
    
           AYR UNITED  0  GLASGOW RANGERS  2
                             McCOIST
                             GORDON
    
           Rangers took the tie with a goal before half time and then a
    killer goal in the last 15mins.Ayr were not taken apart as all the
    previous notes sujested.Instead they treated their 9000 fans in the
    crowd to a display of guts and bottle that they have not shown for many
    a year.
           I would say we had about 50 per cent of the play, but we missed
    our chances and Rangers tucked theirs away, but I suppose thats why
    we're in the first and they are the premier league champs. 
           Our best players were Burley and Shotton while I thought Goram
    and Brown were outstanding for Rangers.BTW who told Scott Nisbet that
    he was a footballer ?
           I would like to think that some of our part time fans at the
    game would come back for the league matches if only to stop the Killie
    troops having a go cos they pull in larger gates for league games.EH
    DEL. 
        All in all a great day out for the Utd faithfull but a shame about
    the result.
    
    
    P.s  Its been 15 years since I last saw Rangers fans in their
         traditional pose,of face down in the gutter still clutching their
         wine bottle...some things never change .Wish I could see it twice
         a season though....8-(..
    
                      SQFHM.. 
                             
49.596Well Done Ayr From a Killie Fan AYOV16::BLIVINGSTONEMon Feb 08 1993 10:289
    
    .595
        On the subject of PART-TIME SUPPORTERS nobody in Scotland is able
    to compete with Rangers on that score i mean they now have an extra
    25,000 part-time supporters at their home games every week,they were
    nowhere to be seen before Murray and Souness arrived.Well done to Ayr
    on a good performance i just wish wee Sammy had put a couple of those
    headers away it would have great to see Ayr putting the most biggoted
    club in football out of the cup.
49.597AYOV16::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthMon Feb 08 1993 13:2217
    I can only echo what has already been said. Ayr played very well for a
    First Division team against "one of the top teams in Europe" and can be
    aggrieved not to have scored at least one goal against their lacklustre
    opposition. Ayr will look back on McGivern and Mair's headers (so
    close) , Burley's free-kick and Russell just failing to control the
    ball with a free shot available , as the best chances they had. When
    you look back to the game, Rangers did not have many , if any , more
    chances than Ayr, they just got that wee bit of luck in front of goal.
    
    Good to see the game played with spirit, only one booking and no bad
    tackles. Shotton and McCoist were later spotted in McArthurs pub having
    a pint after the match. That's the way it should be...
    
    Back to reality tomorrow, the Tail'o'the bank lads at the Hallowed
    Turf.
    
    Kev...
49.598The boyz dun well...BUSSTP::DSMITHONE THOMAS BROLIN...Mon Feb 08 1993 15:4321
    
    
     A good all-round performance from Ayr on Saturday saw them compete
    manfully against a team who are streets ahead in the Premier League.
    With a little bit of luck in the penalty box, Ayr would have scored
    at least one goal that their play deserved. However, Rangers looked
    as if they could have stepped up another gear or two in it was needed.
    
     I thought Ally Graham would have got the MOM award at the end of the
    game, but the sponsor's probably took into consideration the fact that
    he was playing against the worst central defender I have seen at
    Somerset for many years. Nisbett was totally useless. The only thing
    he did was batter the ball as far upfield as he could for 90 minutes.
    He was lucky he wasn't booked for his totally inept attempt at being
    a football-player.
    
     A few more performance like that should see us climb a few places in
    the league, but it's back to a couple of thousand at home games from
    now on.
    
     Danny.
49.599We didn't need the cash...BUSSTP::DSMITHONE THOMAS BROLIN...Thu Feb 11 1993 15:1421

    Has anyone seen the article in this week's Ayrshire Post?  It leads with
   a picture of David Murray and several Rangers players admiring Somerset
   before Saturday's cup-tie. The article then goes into a little more detail
   about Murray's abortive take-over bid back in '88. Murray offered #17.50 for
   each share but was turned down, not by the directors, but by the shareholders
   themselves. Also on the table was 750k over 2 years to be spent on ground
   improvements and safety work.

    The bold Ally McLeod supported the board at the time because he was employed
   by the club. He is now saying that Ayr should have accepted Murray's offer. 
   Mind you, Ally was also quoted as saying at the time that Ayr had the makings
   of a brilliant young team!! I believe that most of these "brilliant" players
   are now playing in the 2nd division or worse.

    
      Danny.

   ps Wasn't it nice to see Tommy Burns miss an absolute sitter at Perth last
      night that would have taken Killie through to the quarter-finals.!!!
49.600KILLIE - Ayrshires' No.1AYOV14::JBELLThu Feb 11 1993 16:0915
    
    Re: -1  "Tommy Burns missing an absolute sitter!!"
    
    To set the record straight, TB made an excellent lob to beat Rhodes;
     the ball then bounced on the six-yard line as though it had bounced
    off of tarmac and curled over the bar.
    I am sure that if it had been on any other park in Scotland then the
    ball would have been in the back of the net.
       To quote Greavsie, " it's a funny old game!!!"
    
    
    P.S.
    
        At least our season's not over already!!!
    
49.6011 team in AYRshireAYOV11::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthThu Feb 11 1993 16:1610
    I would like to make it perfectly clear that neither I nor any other
    Ayr United supporter gained any satisfaction from Kilmarnock going out
    of the cup ...
    
    
    and we all said so at the celebration party last night.
    
    ;-)
    
    Kev....
49.602hook, line and sinkerBUSSTP::DSMITHONE THOMAS BROLIN...Thu Feb 11 1993 16:4313
   

  re -2

       My previous comment about Tommys miss was just for a wind up. I would
      like to set the record straight, Killie played some very good football
      last night and deserved to win the game in 90 minutes. The golden-oldies
      couldn't keep it going in extra-time and lost out to St. Johnstones'
      only decent move of the game. Hard luck, but your Scottish cup record
      over the past 10 seasons or so still stinks! long may it continue!!


        Danny.
49.603TRUCKS::WARDRThu Feb 11 1993 19:303
    Err - where _is_ Ally MacLeod these days ?????
    
    Ray
49.604SHOTTON IS GOD !!!!!!KIRKTN::GMCDONALDFri Feb 12 1993 10:4414
    
    Re last,
    
                Ally McLeod is currently between jobs,he was sacked as 
    Queen of the South boss half way through last season.
    
    Re JBell,   Our season isn't quite over yet,we get to finish your
                season in a few weeks ..
                Tuff luck at Perth the other night, I can remember TB doing 
                us from a similar position on a couple of occasions ..
    
    
    
               SQF HM..
49.605KIRKTN::GMCDONALDFri Feb 12 1993 15:227
    
    
           Does anyone know when the 1/4 final tie with Hearts in the u18
    cup will be played also is a home or away tie ?
    
    
            SQFHM..
49.606next weekBUSSTP::DSMITHONE THOMAS BROLIN...Fri Feb 12 1993 15:2711

   Sal,

       I think the tie is being played next Tuesday. It's definately a home
    tie. The under-18 captain, Derek Allan, impressed Burley when he made his
    debut for the top team against Morton on Tuesday, replacing Traynor at
    centre-half. Let's hope there's a few more good young ones to come through.


       Danny.
49.607AWAY THE RANGERSAYOV11::TFILSONTue Feb 16 1993 04:4917
    
     In reply to note 49.596 I would just like to say to Brian,is it not 
     true that you have a great dislike not only for Rangers the football 
     team but for each and every fan that follows the club.I mean to say 
     your comments about Rangers being the most biggoted team in Scotland
     only shows what a biggot you are.Is it not true that your only envious 
     of the success of the club.You are aggrieved that more
     supporters have returned to share in that sucess.It might also be said
     that Killie also are sharing these so called PART-TIME supporters 
     return to the terracings.Maybe you should stay in the Killie note 
     where you belong.On a more serious note,the score does not reflect
     on a bad performance for Rangers nor does this mean that Ayr had a
     good performance,what remains is that Rangers are still in the cup
     and Ayr are out.When you read this and start saying that the money 
     won for Rangers and it was expected that they should win the tie
     remember one thing Ayr were given the chance at similar financial
     backing and they turned it down.
49.608AYOV16::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthWed Feb 17 1993 12:127
    
    Aye Tam, right enough. Ayr are out and Rangers aren't. Ayr played above
    what was expected of them and Rangers were a disappointment to many
    people, mainly their own supporters. When you put 15 million pounds
    against 100,000 pounds you expect the score to be more than 2-0.
    
    Kev...
49.609BUSSTP::DREESThree good buddies were...Wed Feb 17 1993 14:268
    
    Kev,
        what about giving us some info on this 18 year old 
        "Des Walker play-a-like" Derek Allan, Burley's raving
        about. With the headline in the Record "Dels good for Ayr"
        I thought fame had got me at last. 
    
        Del.
49.610AYOV16::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthWed Feb 17 1993 14:5916
    
    	"Dekker" was signed 2 years ago as one of the first YTS boys at the
    club after Burley arrived. After finishing the season with the under
    18s he progressed to the reserve team last season as a regular
    right-back but after putting on a bit of height and weight he was moved
    into the middle of the park and became the regular centre-half. He has
    moved up to be captain of the reserve team and got his chance for first
    team glory when Traynor picked up his knock against David Murray's
    latest toy XI. 2 games played and no goals lost is not a bad record and
    he is benefitting from playing alongside God and the Gaffer. He is
    fast, good in the air and will use both feet. 
    
    He is destined for better than Ayr.....(unfortunately)
    
    Kev...
    
49.611sell himBUSSTP::DREESThree good buddies were...Wed Feb 17 1993 16:154
    
    I'll take 2.5 million for him right now!
    
    Del.
49.612BUSSTP::DREESThree good buddies were...Tue Feb 23 1993 22:0210
    Ally Graham has signed for Motherwell and goes straight into their
    squad for tonight's game against Rangers.
    
    Fee was 100,000 plus Stevie Bryce (I think).
    
    Ohh Ya Dancer...take the money and runnnnnnnn !!!!
    
    I hope Burley gets the money to spend but somehow I doubt it.
    
    Del.
49.613Oor Ally's biggar than your's ....KIRKTN::GMCDONALDTue Feb 23 1993 23:2419
    
    
    Del,      Your facts are quite correct the player coming to God's
    country is Steve Bryce who has been at the 'Well from boys club age,he
    is a 23 year old forward with some 1st team experiance.He stands about
    5ft 8in so he isn't the biggest player on our books.
              The money is in excess of 100K which will be given to Burley
    to finance his "full time" squad for next season.This means the 4 that
    were getting punted will remain.Very little if any will be used for new
    players. 
            On the subject of Ally Graham,he had his critics but over the
    piece he has don a job for us,he cost  25K from Albion Rovers a few
    years ago and scored some 40/50 goals for us .So he did the buisness
    and left the club with a healthy profit upon his departure.So I wish
    him well in with his new club and hope the Ayr fans are kinder to him
    when he visits us with his new club than they were when he wore the
    "famous" white......8*)...
    
                         SQFHM....
49.614Good luck Ally...BUSSTP::DSMITHONE THOMAS BROLIN...Wed Feb 24 1993 11:2417
    
    
    re last
    
     Sal, who were the 4 that were getting punted?
    
     Regarding Ally's rapport (or lack of) with the fans. I think most
    of the real football fans realised what a good player he was. His only
    real fault was that he could be a lazy sod when it suited him. I think
    Ayr will miss him up front, he scored goals and created chances for the
    rest of the team. A good percentage of Ayr's goals over the last few
    seasons have been a result of the big man's abilities. I am quite glad
    he's got a move to a premier league club, he deserves his chance in a
    bigger league. I wonder who the empty-heads will target their inane
    abuse at now??
    
     Danny
49.615PAKORA::GMCDONALDFri Feb 26 1993 10:505
    
    
    Dan,         I don't know who the four are but I would guess they
            would be Crews,Burke,Hood and Howard...All who are on fulltime
            contracts at the moment.
49.616AYOV11::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthFri Feb 26 1993 12:3611
    Burke is only on a one-month contract and judging by what I have seen
    of him it is about 4 weeks too many. Crews can get lost as well,
    absolutely useless. Hoody has struggled all season through injury but I
    still believe he should stay. Howard can go if Traynor can continue his
    good form at centre-half.
    
    The injury problems at Somerset are so bad that only 2 first-team
    players trained on Monday. Some of the money from Dobbin should go on a
    new treatment table.
    
    Kev....
49.617SHOTTON IS GOD !!!!KIRKTN::GMCDONALDFri Feb 26 1993 16:218
    
    Kev,      What are your views on the Graham transfer and what
           team changes do you think will be made for next season ?
    
              Also,what do you know of this fellow Bryce ?
    
                          
                   SQFHM..
49.618UP UP AND AWAY FOR THE KILLIEPAKORA::CREILLYCHARLIESat Feb 27 1993 05:079
    Well sal, my views on the graham transfer or any other ayr players
    transfer must be to the benefit of the player(players),any player
    transfered from somerset must look back and say,why did i not do that
    sooner.As for next season,well its just going to be like any other, same
    old teams same old grounds(apart from two)??.
    
    
    
              Charlie. (SQF)
49.619"FEBRUARYS NOMINATION"PAKORA::GCULLIONSat Feb 27 1993 06:047
    RE.49.617
      I personally feel that GRAHAM should be nominated for the
                      "RICHARD CRANIUM" AWARD   for Feb'93.
    
    
          Gary  SQF TIM.
                                                 
49.620AYOV11::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthMon Mar 01 1993 12:0814
    re last
    
    How Ally Graham would win this award when faced with the stiffest of
    competition i.e. the players,manager,directors and supporters of
    Celtic is beyond me.
    
    ;-)
    
    But seriously , I would rather not talk about football at the moment as
    I am still trying to thaw out from the hypothermia I caught at sunny
    Boghead on Saturday while witnessing the demise (again) of the B&W 
    machine. A pishier performance I haven't seen all season.
    
    Kev...
49.621Supporters!!!I don't think.KIRKTN::GCULLIONTue Mar 02 1993 00:3912
    Re Last.
       Unfortunately I have to agree with you on some of the opponents,
    but certainly not the part about the fans,as they are still the
    loyalist support in the land.
    
       Anyway,who do you think could be in contention for the award
    in March.(Lets just see how well the huns really do/possible
    contenders).
    
    
       GARY SQF 
    
49.622Seeing throu a BLUE haze?.KURMA::DREILLYTue Mar 02 1993 02:214
    re last 
    
    LOYALIST SUPPORTERS Gary what are you on. 
    ^^^^^^^^
49.623How could you!!.KIRKTN::GCULLIONTue Mar 02 1993 05:2111
    Re Last
    
     Loyalist as a pun not a statement.I thought even you would realise
    that,especially of me!!!! c'mon Davie, I expect more than that from 
    you.
     It also shows I am not a bigot as I could have used many names,such
    as faithfull and football.
     Do you have to be one of them to use such a word.
    
    
      SQF Gary.
49.624Shock score from the dump...BUSSTP::DSMITHONE THOMAS BROLIN...Wed Mar 03 1993 00:2811
    
    
     Hamilton 1 - 3  Black and White machine
    
                     Bryce (new boy from 'Well)
                     Walker 
                     Scott (YTS debutant)
    
     For the 2nd season in a row, we've burst the Accies promotion dream!!
    
          Danny.
49.625KIRKTN::GMCDONALDWed Mar 03 1993 10:479
    
    
              Can't believe this result after the way we played at
    Dumbarton,Accies must be really bad.If you were at the game Kev,
    could you please put in your usual match report...
              Morning Del..............
    
    
                    SQFHM..
49.626There wasn't enough subs!AYOV14::DKEARYTHE LONE ACCIEWed Mar 03 1993 11:276
    Mornin Sal
    Accies ARE really bad. What a showing up you gave us last night.
    Every member of the team (including the keeper) was pure P!$h.
    Ayr played well and for me the man of the match was Burley- roll on
    next season!
                                                 Del
49.627AYOV16::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthWed Mar 03 1993 11:5312
    Mornin' Sal,
    	
    After Saturday's performance I decided not to travel and this is what
    happens. Damned inconsiderate if you ask me, winning when you expect
    them to get gubbed. 
    The team showed a few changes with McGivern, Russell missing and Barry
    Scott coming in for his first game of the season (a scoring debut at
    that !) Traynor returned to his midfield position.
    
    Bring on the Blue Brazil, it could be 2 in a row.
    
    Kev...
49.628KIRKTN::GMCDONALDWed Mar 03 1993 11:597
    
    
    Kev,         Do you know the full line up from last night ?
    
    
                            SQFHM..
    
49.629AYOV16::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthWed Mar 03 1993 17:126
    Duncan,Burley,Graeme Robertson,Shotton,Allan,George,Kennedy,Walker
    Bryce,Traynor,Scott. Subs Burke and I think Hood.
    
    Still In Shock.
    
    Kev...
49.630MONEY CHANGED HANDS !!!!!KIRKTN::GMCDONALDWed Mar 03 1993 17:277
    
    
    Kev,            Just wondering if you could tell me how many points
       we had at this stage last season and indeed how many we finished
       with ? Just to see if we really are worse than last term.
    
                             SQFHM..
49.631AYOV11::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthWed Mar 03 1993 18:466
    I'll need to check up on our points total after 32 games last season
    but I'm pretty sure we finished with 48.
    
    Confirm it tomorrow.
    
    Kev...
49.632MID TABLE AYRKIRKTN::CREILLYCHARLIEThu Mar 04 1993 15:3913
    Sal, Iam not sure how many points you have but, does it realy matter..?
         iam sure you are no further up the league than in any other season
         previous to this one.
    
    
    
         GOOD RESULT AGAINST HAMILTON.
    
    
    
         CHARLIE.(SQF)
    
       
49.633200,000AYOV27::SALLENFri Mar 05 1993 11:1925
     **********************************************************************
    
    
     ***    What this note for BIG news of a transfer      ***
    
    
    
     ***    remember where you heard it first              ***
    
    
     ***    200,000 pounds    - yes 200,000 pounds         ***
    
    
       Ayr player goes to English club    !!!!!!!!
    
    
    
    
    ... Talk to you all later   
    
    
    
    
    
    .... Bean
49.634SELL SELL SELLPAKORA::CREILLYCHARLIEFri Mar 05 1993 15:2212
    hello stevie,
    
    
                 Does Ayr have a player worth 200,000k,or is it the team
          your talking about....????,as i remember my old friend Kev say
          about the ayr team in note(49.608)Ayr were only worth 100,000k.
              
    
    
    
    
          CHARLIE.(SQF)
49.635Ground & players going going gone!@KURMA::MCOSTELLOFri Mar 05 1993 15:295
    
     I don't think Ayr has any player worth 200,000k...perhaps its for
     the ground as well!!!@@@.
    
    		Tim...
49.636AYOV11::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthFri Mar 05 1993 17:5118
    re -1
    
    Watch Ayr quite a lot then do you ?
    
    There are some very good prospects in the youths/reserves but it
    surprises me that any of them are worth 200K, but do you know that ?
    
    
    
    I think not.
    
    Kev...
    
    
    p.s. Hi Charlie, Long time no hear, perhaps you can let me know when
    the Beirut Boys are going to have their mandatory slump ? :-)
    
    
49.637tell us who!?PAKORA::MCOSTELLOFri Mar 05 1993 18:5412
    You know it amazes me how a time in Feb'93.Ayr are only worth a 100k
    (note 49.608)....And now one player over 200k!@...Mind you reading your 
    last note I think you are already saying there are no players in Ayr
    worth 200k,youths/reserves the lot.....Mind you'll have to sell soon
    the ground value is depreciating......

    By the way Kev who is this mystery player ..
    
    		Tim.
                                               
    
49.638Take the money and run!!!!!!AYOV14::LGRACESat Mar 06 1993 10:568
    There's no mystery now surrounding the player it is Derek Allan,the
    17 year old YTS player who has just broke into the first team,all was
    revealed in today's Daily Record although it states the fee as 150k not
    200k and also it just states that it is an English Premier Club.What's
    the bets that Ipswich may be that club considering Burley and Roberts
    were part of their set up,anyway who cares? I think 150k for a
    promising youngster who has only played a handful of games is a great
    deal as he hasn't really proved himself,he has only shown potential.
49.639THERE'S ALWAYS NEXT YEARPAKORA::CREILLYCHARLIESat Mar 06 1993 20:417
    Hi Kev,
           I THINK THE SLUMP STARTS TODAY(SATURDAY) STIRLING 2 KILLIE 0
           OH DEAR.
    
    
    
          CHARLIE.
49.640Money, Money, MoneyBUSSTP::DSMITHONE THOMAS BROLIN...Mon Mar 08 1993 11:2917
    
    
     The player meriting all the attention is Derek Allan, an 18 year old
    YTS centre-half. He will be travelling south today to sign for
    Southampton for a fee of 150k (Daily Record) or 250k (The Sun). No
    matter what paper is right, it would be a a great bit of business by
    Burley as the guy has only played 5 first team games so he really has
    shown potential only. 
    
     Burley is building Ayr's future around a youth policy and with Barry
    Scott scoring his 2nd goal in 2 starts, he must be quite happy with the
    way things are progressing. 
    
     Danny.
    
    ps Nice to see big fat Willie Watters scoring his 99th and 100th league
    goals on Saturday.
49.641Ace of Spies / LouAYOV27::SALLENMon Mar 08 1993 12:069
    I really hate to say this you KFC doubters - but-
    
    
    I did tell you.
    
    Best of luck to Derek Allan.
    
    
    ... Stevie
49.642AYOV11::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthMon Mar 08 1993 12:4017
    re- the chappie in SQF, Tim Costello.
    
    Ok so I said in Feb that the team that played against Rangers cost
    100K not that they were only worth that. Derek Allan was still playing
    in the reserves then and it was only due to an injury sustained by
    John Traynor that he was given his place in the team against
    Meadowbank. His 5 games were very impressive to the point that 2
    managers, in Hamilton to watch that donkey Colin Cramb, were moved to
    offer money straight away. He played Cramb off the park and according
    to reports in today's Herald a package deal worth 250K is on the table
    and the signing talks will take place this week.
    
    Sal,	
    At this point in the season last year (33 games) we had exactly the 
    same number of points. (33)
    
    Kev...
49.6432 3-1 on the trotAYOV11::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthMon Mar 08 1993 18:4939
    Ayr United 3 - 1 Cowdenbeath
    
    Ayr finally recorded their first win over the Blue Brazil but made
    heavy weather of it and had to suffer the scare of losing the keeper
    and then an equaliser. Straight from the kick-off Ayr attacked the
    Cowden goal and had two chances before Walker was brought down in the
    box and a rather softish penalty was converted by Stevie Bryce after
    5 minutes of his home debut, sending the keeper the wrong way. Numerous
    other chances fell to the forwards with Walker the chief sinner,
    missing an open goal after a Paul Burke shot was blocked on the line,
    but the scoreline stayed the same until half-time. After 2 minutes of
    the second half, Cowden were awarded a free-kick on the edge of the
    area after a typically robust Duncan George tackle. Henderson bent the
    ball around the wall and Cammy Duncan pushed it around the post at full
    stretch. However he was injured in the process and was stretchered off
    leaving Davie Kennedy to take over between the sticks for the second
    time (he covered for Cammy at Meadowbank when he injured his knee).
    In 63 minutes Davie overcarried the ball while clearing from hand and
    was penalised. The Cowden left-back let loose on the free-kick and it
    screamed into the top left corner for a shock equaliser. Ayr threw
    everything into attack but were denied by an in-form keeper and poor
    finishing. After 85 minutes, Hood collected the ball in the Ayr defence
    and carried it forward before releasing it to the Gaffer. After some
    neat play involving Burley and McTurk the ball was crossed in and Hood
    flicked it backwards to the far post where Traynor crashed the ball
    home via the keeper and the post. To say he looked pleased may not
    explain his celebrations sufficiently. Ayr continued to press and won a
    succession of corners. The last of these brought the 3rd goal when the
    keeper cleared only as far as Barry Scott and he laced it into the top
    corner for a superb goal in the last minute.
    
    Good performances from Bryce,Scott and Graeme Robertson. Paul Burke can
    take a hike, he's not good enough. Good covering by Hood and Shotton
    meant Davie Kennedy had only a couple of corners and one shot to
    contend with. 
    
    Rumour has it Ayr's dealings in the transfer market are not over yet...
    
    Kev....
49.644SHOTTON #1PAKORA::GMCDONALDThu Mar 11 1993 02:058
    
     
         DUNFERMINE ATHLETIC  1  AYR UNITED  1
              Davies              Bryce 
    
    
    
          All the best to the Pars for next season in the Premier...
49.645In my own opinionKIRKTN::CPATRICKYou Ain't seen nothing yet !Thu Mar 11 1993 02:479
    
    Sal,
    
    It would be a waste of time the pars coming into the premier League
    as they are so crap,they would be right back down again.
    I think it would be better if Raith and Kilmarnock came up as they are
    both better supported teams and play better football.
    
     SQF Jambo #1
49.646Credit when due.PAKORA::SROBINSPARS,PARS SUPER PARSThu Mar 11 1993 17:0011
    I have never heard so much c**p in my life,since when have Raith or 
    Killie had a better support than the Pars.Yes they might have at this 
    present time, that both them are pushing for promotion but what will
    happen when they start to get beat week in week out,i bet then the gates
    will drop then.The pars have been through thick and thin the last two
    seasons and they still have a loyal band of merry supporters.So Colin
    give us loyal Dunfermline supporters and the team the credit we deserve.
                      SQF Pars man.
       P.S 
         Sal thanks for the support.
     
49.647Come on ye Pars....YELBUS::DSMITHONE THOMAS BROLIN...Thu Mar 11 1993 17:1219
 re last couple

 
    I have to agree with the previous note, Dunfermline have a far better 
 support this season than Raith Rovers. Kilmarnock however have the best
 support this season in division 1 although it will be interesting to see
 how their gates drop once they get gubbed by Raith on saturday and fall
 further behind the pars. In 5 meetings this season, Ayr have won 3 and
 drawn 2 against the pars, why can't we do the same against the wee teams
 like Cowdenbeath, Meadowbank and the squirrels from up the road?


   Danny.

 ps I think Sal's only wishing you good luck next season as it means you'll
    have taken 2nd place from the Baghdad Boys.


49.648AYOV11::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthThu Mar 11 1993 19:0015
    Hmmmm !
    
    Methinks you chappies have fallen foul of Colin's renowned "razor sharp
    wit". A reply in the Ayr note backing up the squirrels is usually meant
    to be humorous and to suggest Raith have a better support than the Pars
    is nothing short of ridiculous. The home gates at Stark's Park have
    rarely topped 3000 , and that for a team which only has to coast the
    rest of the season to go up as champs. This is a pitiful support and
    one which Ayr surpassed with ease in the 2nd Division championship year
    
    I would prefer the pars to stay in Division 1 anyway
    
    it means 6 points and a good cup run for the Ayrshire Giants.
    
    Kev...
49.649we're all going to paradise..or is it piggery..who cares..we'll be thereKURMA::CPATRICKYou Ain't seen nothing yet !Thu Mar 11 1993 23:3912
    
    Well done Kev,for sussing me out.  :-) :-)
    
    Now Mr Robbins,you say that when Raith and Kilmarnock start to get beat
    in the premier league (thats taking it,that they both get promoted)
    then there crowds will fall !!!!
    
    Thats good coming from a pars fan seeing as how I can remember when
    they were in the premier and there supporters arrived in a reliant
    robin and that was for the home games  :-)
    
     SQF Jambo #1
49.650ITS SO EASYKIRKTN::CREILLYCHARLIETue Mar 16 1993 03:4916
   Well Kev,


         What about Saturday..??? any predictions...al go for 
         a KILLIE WIN.
    
    
    
    
                     KILLIE 2  AYR 1 
           
        Charlie (SQF)
    
      P.S HOW ARE YOU KEV
         
49.651KIRKTN::CREILLYCHARLIETue Mar 16 1993 09:284
  

              

49.652WE HAD JOY WE HAD FUN WE HAD KILLIE ON THE RUN..PAKORA::GMCDONALDI love the Jambo'sTue Mar 16 1993 11:0018
    
    
    Charlie,                
                      The big derby game on Saturday and poor old Killie
    must win.The pressure will be all on Killie as this really is there
    last bite of the cherry.Ayr's season finished in January after the 
    Rangers game so they should be able to play uneffected by pressure,
    if thats possible against the squirrels.
                      We have a great oppertunity to ruin Killie's season
    and we should grab it with both hands .Also the cash that two home games
    against Killie brings in will come in handy next season.
                      I would feel a lot more confident if we had McGivern,
    Traynor,Russell and Mair fit,but even with out them we should be good
    enough to grab a draw and finish Killie for another season.
    
                    Kilmarnock 1 Ayr United  1             (6000)..
    
                       SQFHM.. 
49.653Squirrels to the slaughter...BUSSTP::DSMITHONE THOMAS BROLIN...Tue Mar 16 1993 18:5416
    
    
     I'm afraid I don't share your confidence in Ayr getting a draw Sal.
    Killie must win this one and although it's a great chance for Ayr to
    finish the squirrels season, I just think that Killie have a lot more
    to lose than Ayr. Hopefully I'm wrong and Malky Shotton's boys will be
    celebrating on Saturday night.
    
     Derek Allan (ex-Ayr!!) is included in the Scotland under-21 squad for
    the game against Iceland next Tuesday. I doubt if he'll play but it's
    another step forward in his career. Hopefully Burley had a clause
    included in the transfer agreement regarding future transfers of Allan,
    first team appearances and international caps. Could possibly be Ayr's
    best ever transfer.
    
     Danny.
49.654SHOTTON #1MASALA::GMCDONALDWE HAD JOY WE HAD FUN WE HAD KILLIE ON THE RUNTue Mar 16 1993 19:2011
      
    
    Dan,           Aren't you being a wee bit over cautous,Killie looked a
        very tired and jaded side on the box on Saturday,and are ready for
        a real tanking.I know we aren't in much better shape than them but 
        I think we should have the steam to at least get a draw.
                   Its been over 4 years since we won at Rugby Park and
         this may well be the weekend that we bury that ghost..
      
    
                          SQFHM..
49.655Naw big wumminKIRKTN::DMILNETue Mar 16 1993 20:0111
49.656they think it's all over...and it isAYOV11::AARNOTTThu Mar 18 1993 15:145
    
    Sorry boys, But Killie's season ended 2 weeks ago at stirling. Pride is
    all they are playing for now. (And a job next year!)
    
    Andy.
49.657AYOV16::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthMon Mar 22 1993 12:3425
    Kilmarnock 1 - 1 Ayr United
    
    A rather disappointing match in my view with an over-fussy and
    inconsistent ref who chose to speak to Killie players who had fouled
    but book any Ayr player who stepped out of line.  Ayr looked the
    hungrier side early on and pressed without really threatening to score
    and Killie huffing and puffing (too many old men) in the midfield were
    second best. Ayr scored in 34 minutes when a Barry Scott corner was
    flicked on by Kennedy and Traynor's header hit the bar and dropped for
    Tommy Walker to knock home from 3 yards with the defence static. It
    looked like it would stay that way until half-time but a great pass
    from Burns sent Skilling free and he slotted into the net past Duncan
    despite the challenge from Graeme Robertson. Second half was similarly
    dreich and was only livened up by Malky Shotton taking the piss out of
    Wee Bobby the Jobbie Williamson and George Seven Bellys McCluskey every
    time he could. Killie missed the best chances of the half but even the
    ref's attempt to add on the world record injury time could not aid
    their cause and the score stayed at 1-1. The correct result probably.
    
    MoM for Ayr  .....  Greg Hood, Malky Shotton ( for signalling that his
    pockets were full of Killie players.
    
    MoM for Beirut ..... Stark and Innes
    
    Kev....
49.658Even Ayr can give us a game now!!AYOV14::JBELLMon Mar 22 1993 17:0228
     
    Re.-1  " an inconsistent ref who chose to speak to Killie players who
             had fouled but booked any Ayr player who stepped out of line."
    
      I agree with your point that the ref was inconsistent but to say that
    he was more lenient towards the Killie players is a bit of an
    exaggeration, perhaps bieng at the away end of the ground has impaired
    your view of the game somewhat:-
    
    1) It was Duncan George, I think, that was lucky to stay on the park
    after bringing down Calum Campbell and was later warned by the ref that
    if he continued with his persistent fouling then he would be given his
    marching orders.
    
    2) What a good actor Tommy Walker must be in succeeding in getting
    Monty booked after a perfectly legitimate saving tackle where he played
    the ball.
    I am not surprised that your view was impaired at the Ayr end as the
    linesman was just feet away from the incident and he never saw anything
    either.
    
      All in all, a poor game with a share of the points bieng about right.
    
     It just goes to show how much our play has deteriorated since January
    because Ayr certainly haven't improved theirs any.
    
    
                                          JB  KFC
49.659we can still do itBUSSTP::DREESThree good buddies were...Mon Mar 22 1993 21:1113
    
    Chaps,
    
      I think that makes 5 league games on the trot without defeat.
    
      Although it's only 2 wins with 3 drawn,it must represent our best
      run since the start of last season. With Raith not having won at 
      Somerset in 10 seasons I reckon were a nap to make it six.
    
    
      Is promotion out of the question ?? :-)
    
      Del.
49.660COME ON YE BLUESKIRKTN::CREILLYCHARLIETue Mar 23 1993 11:569
    Del,
    
    
       Promotion is out of the question for Ayr but KILLIE could still
    sneak it ????????.
    
    
     Charlie (SQF)   
       
49.661PAKORA::AMCARTHURx8225Tue Mar 23 1993 14:478
    Promotion......no chance !!
    
    
    Beating Raith.....no chance !!
    
    Andrew.   :^)
    
    
49.662BUSSTP::DREESThree good buddies were...Tue Mar 23 1993 18:574
    
    :-).....it's just toooooo easy to get people to bite these days.
    
    Del.
49.663You're no better than you ever were.AYOV11::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthThu Mar 25 1993 13:1543
>>AYOV14::JBELL                                        28 lines  22-MAR-1993 14:02
>>                     -< Even Ayr can give us a game now!! >-
>>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
     
>>    Re.-1  " an inconsistent ref who chose to speak to Killie players who
>>             had fouled but booked any Ayr player who stepped out of line."
    
>>      I agree with your point that the ref was inconsistent but to say that
>>    he was more lenient towards the Killie players is a bit of an
>>    exaggeration, perhaps bieng at the away end of the ground has impaired
>>    your view of the game somewhat:-
  
    Of course being at the away end of Rugby Park impairs my view, you need
    binoculars to watch a game from there.  
      
>>    1) It was Duncan George, I think, that was lucky to stay on the park
>>    after bringing down Calum Campbell and was later warned by the ref that
>>    if he continued with his persistent fouling then he would be given his
>>    marching orders.
 	
    Duncan George was unjustly booked for his FIRST offence. The ref then 
    showed him the same leniency he showed ALL the Kilmarnock players who
    offended.
       
>>    2) What a good actor Tommy Walker must be in succeeding in getting
>>    Monty booked after a perfectly legitimate saving tackle where he played
>>    the ball.
  
    Monty put in a legitimate tackle ?  Don't make me laugh. The guy
    wouldn't know how to.
    

    Would you like to explain how Williamson gets away with using his
    elbows in every challenge for a high ball ?  The ref had the guts to
    speak to him on his first offence and then ignored all the rest.

>>     It just goes to show how much our play has deteriorated since January
>>    because Ayr certainly haven't improved theirs any.
    
 Do I hear the sound of bottles going from the gloomy end of Ayrshire ??
    
    Kev...   
                                          JB  KFC
49.664Bring back Sludden...-) -)BUSSTP::DSMITHWORLD BEWARE!! GAZZA'S A PRATTue Mar 30 1993 00:5013
    
    
      Another draw on Saturday extends Ayr's unbeaten run to 6 games.
     Looking at the league tables, Ayr have lost 11 games this season,
     yet Dunfermline, Hamilton, St. Mirren and the squirrels have only
     lost 1 less. Ayr have tightened up at the back as the season has
     progressed but are struggling to score goals that would turn draws
     into victories. Only Cowdenbeath and Stirling, the 2 bottom clubs,
     have scored less than Ayr this season. If only we had a Dalziel, 
     Eadie or Mathie we could possibly be challenging for the 2nd
     promotion spot with the afore-mentioned football teams and Kille.
    
       Danny.
49.665LETS ALL LAUGH AT KILLIE KIRKTN::GMCDONALDThey think its over,IT IS NOWTue Mar 30 1993 02:1516
    
    Dan,         It seems that we don't lose many and those that we do are
          usualy 1-0,but the real problem is the amount we draw,I think its
          in the region of 14 games this season .If half of these had been
          turned into victory's then we would be right in there.
    
                 We have tried so many strikers this season it is unreal,I
         think the real problem is the midfield where there are no creative 
         players.All the goal scores you mentioned have very good
         midfielders behind them like Brewster,Mahood and Harvey.It it may
         be in Burley's best interests that we sign a good one for the
         middle of the park,Alex Tailor would have been ideal.
    
    
                 SQFHM..
           
49.666end of the road!!!!AYOV14::LGRACETue Mar 30 1993 12:567
    Bobby Russell was released by Ayr yesterday due to his recurring injury
    problems.It always was a dodgy signing for United but the pay as you
    play deal ensured that we didn't fork out too much on him.It is very
    unfortunate for Russell who was a good player in his day but after
    seeing him turn out for Ayr,his boots should have been hung up a while
    ago.
    
49.667Malky signs on..BUSSTP::DSMITHWORLD BEWARE!! GAZZA'S A PRATWed Mar 31 1993 22:5016
    
    
     Malky Shotton is ready to sign another 1 year contract which will
    see him extracting the urine from old-age squirrels for another
    season. He also reckons he's still got a couple of seasons left in
    him yet. Shotton goes on to say he's enjoying playing for Ayr and 
    enjoys the rapport and support he gets from the supporters. Good news
    for all Ayr fans.
    
     On a more depressing note, George Burley admits to being disappointed
    with initial discussions held with the board last week, to discuss the
    way forward for the club. No details have been released from this
    meeting, but Burley, also general manager did say that both Dale
    Roberts and himself have been offered new deals.
    
      Danny.
49.668AYOV16::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthMon Apr 05 1993 13:1527
    Morton 1-0 Ayr
    
    The worst "game of football" I have had the misfortune to witness all
    season. Everybody's favourite ref Joe Timmons was at his inconsistent 
    best and the far side linesman was a blind prat from Greenock but to
    use them as a reason for a terrible performance would be stupid. Ayr
    were forced into 2 changes with Burke and Shotton missing from the
    line-up which faced Raith and McTurk and Howard replaced them. Ayr
    were never seen as an attacking force and were served well only by
    Graeme Robertson, Tommy Walker , Greg Hood and Stevie Bryce. Traynor
    was an empty jersey in midfield and Howard should pack his bags. He let
    that wee dwarfy tube Alexander outjump him time and again and if it
    wasn't for the terrible finishing of the Morton forwards, Ayr would
    have lost 4 or 5 nil. Cammy had a couple of saves but don't beleive any
    media reports that say he had a good game. He was terrible and back to
    his old ways of missing crosses or not coming out for them at all. 
    Burley looked sick to the back teeth of Ayr and if reports are true he
    may not be hanging about too long if the directors don't find a new
    cheque book. That thug Johnstone scored the only goal after 75 mins
    when Kennedy fouled Pickering and McInnes floated the ball to the back
    post where Johnstone slid in to volley home a fierce right-footer.
    
    Oh Aye and another thing.
    
    It was raining,. AGAIN !
    
    Kev... 
49.669BUSSTP::DREESThree good buddies were...Wed Apr 14 1993 17:1211
    
    Chaps,
    
        is that big donkey, Ally Graham, out of favour at Motherwell?
        He could well be injured but it wouldn't surprise me if he's
        already been found out. He hasn't been part of the 13 for the
        past 3 weeks.
    
        Always said he was sh*te....
    
        Del.
49.670AYOV16::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthWed Apr 14 1993 18:198
    
    Ally left Ayr with a 3 match ban looming and Saturday was the last 
    game of the ban.
     
    Ever helpfully yours............
    
    
    Kev...
49.671BUSSTP::DREESThree good buddies were...Wed Apr 14 1993 18:354
    
    It's a pity for the "well" that it aint a 6 week ban or more......
    
    Del.
49.672perhaps next century !!!!!KURMA::GMCDONALDThey think its over,IT IS NOWMon Apr 19 1993 18:067
    
    
    Kev,        What about a report from the match in Fife on Saturday !
    
    
    
                      SQFHM...
49.673MATCH IN FIFEKIRKTN::CREILLYCHARLIEMon May 03 1993 03:0614
    
    
                            MATCH REPORT
                       --------------------
    
    
    
           
                    Dunfermline 0  Cowdenbeath  2
    
    
     
                    
                    Charlie (SQF)(KFC)
49.674ayr 1 st mirren... didn't?AYOV14::GLEROYMon May 03 1993 13:523
    Wishing you all the best for your next game!
    
    Gavin.
49.675PAKORA::GMCDONALDBonnie DoonMon May 03 1993 14:337
    
    Re Last ,        Gavin,what is the feeling in the Killie camp at the
                     moment ? Are the masses confident of Premier football
                     next term ????
    
    
                              SQF HM...   
49.676No eye'd deer!...AYOV14::GLEROYMon May 03 1993 16:448
    In short...  No!  Not as far as I'm concerned anyway.  I think both
    Killie and Dunfermline will win on Saturday with St Mirren dropping at
    least a point to the residents of number 49.  There will then be a very
    nervous 90 minutes against Hamilton.
    
    Your guess is as good as mine at the moment!
    
    Gavin
49.677Roberts in trouble..BUSSTP::DSMITHWORLD BEWARE!! GAZZA'S A PRATThu May 06 1993 13:098
    
    
    Dale Roberts has been fined 250 quid and banned from the dug-out
    for a season following the half-time aggro against Hamilton last
    month, all courtesy of a referee who must have been straight out
    of the amateur leagues.
    
     Danny.
49.678ONLY 90 mins TO GO...KIRKTN::CREILLYCHARLIESun May 09 1993 15:2615
     Well done AYR that was a great result on saturday,that should keep the
    saints in the first for another year and hopefully get the KILLIE out
    of it for a year or five.
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    Charlie.(KFC)
    
    
49.680BUSSTP::DREESFri May 14 1993 16:4712
    
    Saw in today's Daily Record that Stranraer have freed Stevie Evans.
    A couple of seasons ago he was Ayr's best and most consistent player
    and now he can't even get a game for Stranraer. 
    
    Liked the sauce too much.
    
    Sammy Johnston has also been freed by Partck Thistle.
    
    Del.
    
    
49.681TESCO POKES IN THE PREMIER !!!!!!PAKORA::GMCDONALDSHOTTON'S ARMYSat May 15 1993 02:0123
    
    
    Del,or any other Utd noter,
    
    
                              Do you think it would be a good idea to take 
    Sammy Johnston back after his release from thistle.I remember him
    blowing kind of hot and cold with us the last time round,but I can help
    thinking he could add something to our talentless midldle line..What
    areyour views ??????????
    
                           SQF HM..
    
    P.s    Good luck to the zoonies from up the road,they will probably add
    something to the Premier league.Even if it is only to double the arrest 
    rates at most premier grounds ...
    
    
    P.p.s  I hope Burley isn't daft enough to sign any of the Killie cast
    offs at the end of the season as there seems to be a lot better players
    becoming available ...
    
                 SQF HM..... ( sour grapes !! YOU BET !!)
49.682Not for usBUSSTP::DSMITHWORLD BEWARE!! GAZZA'S A PRATSat May 15 1993 15:3020
    
    
    Sal,
    
       Ayr are in dire need of a couple of classy midfield players to
    create chances for the forwards. However, Johnston didn't really
    do much when he was at Somerset and I don't think he's the player
    we're looking for. Burley will wait until he gets a list of all the
    frees in Scotland before making any moves. The problem with trying to
    sign some full-time players from the Premier League would be the size
    of any signing on fees they would be looking for. 
    
     Burley has signed a new 2 year contract to see him through until 1995.
    Roberts and Shotton have agreed terms for another season.
    
     Danny.
    
    ps Don't worry about the squirrels getting promotion. Unless they sign
    a dozen quality players, they'll struggle to match Airdrie's feeble
    total this season. 
49.683End of season analysis.BUSSTP::DSMITHWORLD BEWARE!! GAZZA'S A PRATSun May 16 1993 15:3318
    
    
     Final game of the season saw Ayr draw 1-1 with Stirling at their new
    ground. Walker scored late on for Ayr to equalise. Stevie Bryce missed
    from the spot, as he did against the squirrels in the Ayrshire Cup on
    Thursday.
    
     Finished 7th in the league, one point worse than last season. Since
    the cup defeat by Rangers in February, Ayr played 16 league games,
    winning 5, drawing 8 and loosing 3. Killie gained promotion yet lost
    only 1 game less than Ayr. Too many draws, 18 in total, cost Ayr a
    higher finish in the league.
    
     Probably not a bad season after all. A couple of good midfield players
    are desperately needed if Ayr are to make a challenge next season.
    Burley will announce his frees and for-sale on Monday.
    
     Danny.
49.684Thank God thats over !!!KIRKTN::GMCDONALDSHOTTON'S ARMYMon May 17 1993 14:1413
    
    
    Dan,         I would say we needed 3 midfielders, 2 for the centre and
    1 for the right flank.We could also do with another striker as the
    one's we've got don't seem to clever in front of goal.However that
    could have something to do with having nothing in the midfield bar 
    hoofers like George,Robertson and Kennedy..
    
                I would say our back 5 is okay and has plenty of cover,but
    the midfield will need sorting..Who do you fancy for these positions ?
    
    
                      SQF HM..
49.685AYOV16::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthMon May 17 1993 14:24180
Haven't put in match reports for a wee while so there is a few to catch up on
now that the season is over.

10/4	Ayr United 1-0 Hamilton Academicals

	Those Accie people will not be welcome back at the hallowed turf
	after this performance. Not only did they get the Messiah sent off,
	Roberts was banned from the touchline for a year and fined 250 quid
	after a half-time melee, but that snawheid Gary Clark was allowed
	to stay on the park after spitting on Shotton and striking him.
	Still, Davie Kennedy nipped in to score the only goal of the game
	after about 55 minutes and send the referee's coupon into the bin
	as he obviously wanted Hamilton to win. Cammy saved a penalty early
	on.

17/4	Cowdenbeath 0-1 Ayr United

	A huge crowd of 217 watched a non-event of a game in brilliant
	sunshine. Cowden deserved more from the game after having twice
	as many shots as Ayr but no luck in front of goal. McGivern was 
	fouled in the box and Bryce slammed home the penalty. Entertaining
	banter with the fans of the Blue Brazil (a name which will be 
	synonomous with Kilmarnock during their 1 season foray into the 
	Premier) and had a great laugh watching Lee, the Cowden midfielder
	who appears to be something of a Davie Purdie figure at Central Park
	He continually argued with the fans and after getting abuse for 
	missing from 6 yards he decided to expose certain areas of his
	anatomy at them. A great place for pies and bovril but not football.

23/4	Ayr United 0-0 Dumbarton

	Haven't a clue how this game went as I missed it (First home game
	since December 85, damn) Reports suggest that unbelievably, it was
	worse than the week before.

1/5	Meadowbank Thistle 1-2 Ayr United

	Grrrreeeaaaatttt ! This defeat for the Twilight Zone boys coupled
	with Stirling beating Raith meant it was almost all over for the
	Capital Chaps. I'm glad they are going down. A crap stadium with
	weird fans and a gameplan which makes watching England entertaining.
	Hope they stay in Division 2. Walker scored on Ayr's first attack
	after 11 minutes and Bryce scored in our next after 76 minutes. 
	An incredible series of misses by the Thistle players in the last
	2 minutes meant the points returned to Ayrshire.

8/5	Ayr United 3-3 St Mirren

	Jimmy Bone is a Prat (Is he related to Gazza ?) His comments to
	the press complaining of an Ayrshire ref in his last 2 visits to
	the county meant that we had the unbeleivable decision by the
	Scottish League to send Kenny Clark from PAISLEY to ref this game.
	Hood scored after 10 minutes with a superb header from a Barry
	Scott corner. Saints equalised early in the second half when ex 
	Ayr player Paul McIntyre scored with a header through Duncan's hands
	and went ahead when indecision between Shotton and Duncan let that
	fat get Lavety in to score. This prompted a pitch invasion by the
	clowns from paisley but their joy turned to anger when within 13
	minutes Ayr were leading 3-2 after Bryce forced a block from Fridge
	which McWhirter turned into his own net and then good work down the 
	right involving Robertson and Burley saw the latters cross turned in 
	at the second attempt by Barry Scott. Shotton's replacement McVie
	was ordered off with 5 minutes to go after pulling Lambert's jersey
	and Gallagher scored to levbel things. An undeserved point went to
	Paisley.

13/5	Ayr United 1-2 Kilmarnock
	
	What can I say ? A real game of 2 halfs . Ayr were fortunate to be
	only 1 goal down at half-time but gave a good second half performance
	which should have resulted in the cup coming to the home of football.
	Bryce equalised with a free-kick and then missed a penalty and other
	players missed countless other chances. A real sickener.

15/5	Stirling Albion 1-1 Ayr United

	Ayr's first visit to Forthbank stadium and an entertaining match to
	go with it. After hunting out the complimentaries (Cheers Davie !)
	we took our seats in the East stand and watched an untypical end of
	season match. End to end stuff, Stirling hitting the woodwork, Ayr
	missing another penalty (Bryce again) and 2 late goals to share the
	points. Walker scored after a good pass from Bryce who had wriggled 
	past 2 desperate tackles. Stirling will have to get the car parks 
	enlarged. 2.45pm and the car parks were full and there was only 1225
	at the game.
    
    
    End of Season Summary
    
    
    July
    18th Stranraer  	3-0	Gardner (2),Graham 		
    21st SOUTHAMPTON    1-0     Kennedy
    23rd MOTHERWELL     1-2     Shaw (pen)
    25th SUNDERLAND     0-0  

    August
1   1st  DUNFERMLINE    1-1     Mair		SO Kennedy
1   4th  MEADOWBANK     1-2     Agnew           BK George,Agnew,Robertson
2   8th  Clydebank      1-1     Walker          BK George,Mair
SK  11th Partick Th     0-2     -                    -
2   15th Raith Rovers   0-1     -               BK George
4   22nd KILMARNOCK*    2-0     Kennedy,        BK George,Agnew,Walker,Kennedy
				Montgomerie (OG)   Howard.
5   29th Hamilton       1-1     Graham          BK George
AC  30th Girvan         6-0     Carse 3 Shaw 2
				Howard
    
    September
5   5th  MORTON         0-2     -               SO Howard BK George,Graham
5   12th COWDENBEATH    0-1     -                    -
7   19th Dumbarton      3-0     Graham,Traynor  BK Mair,Agnew
				McTurk
7   26th St.Mirren      0-2     -               BK Kennedy,Walker
BQ  29th ST MIRREN      2-1     Walker (2)           -     
    
    October
9   3rd  STIRLING A.    2-1     Graham (2)           -
11  10th Dunfermline    3-1     Graham,McTurk   BK Robertson
				Traynor
13  17th CLYDEBANK      2-1     Traynor,Mair         -
BQ  20th Kilmarnock     0-1     -                    -
13  24th Morton         1-2     Shotton         BK McTurk
14  31st HAMILTON       0-0     -               BK Howard
    
    November
15  7th  RAITH ROVERS   1-1     Walker          BK George,Walker
15  14th Kilmarnock*    0-3     -               BK George,Walker,Shotton
						   Howard
17  21st DUMBARTON      5-3     Traynor,Mair(3) BK Shotton
				Robertson
-   28th Cowdenbeath    POSTPONED
    
    December
18  1st  Stirling Alb   0-0     -                    -
20  5th  ST.MIRREN      2-0     Graham,Walker   BK Graham,Robertson
21  8th  Cowdenbeath    2-2     Graham,Traynor       -
23  12th DUNFERMLINE    1-0     Graham               -
23  19th Meadowbank     0-1     -               BK George
24  26th Raith Rovers   1-1     Mair                 -
     
    January
24  2nd  KILMARNOCK*    0-1     -                    -
SC3 9th  Dunfermline    2-1     Mair(pen)Walker BK Graham
-   16th Hamilton       POSTPONED
-   23rd MORTON         POSTPONED
25  26th STIRLING       2-2     Traynor,Mair    BK SRoberston,Walker,McGivern 
26  30th Clydebank      1-1     Russell         BK Graham
    
    February
SC4 6th  RANGERS        0-2     -               BK Duncan
27  9th  MORTON         0-0     -                    -
29  13th MEADOWBANK     1-0     Graham          BK McGivern
29  20th St.Mirren      0-1     -               BK Allan, George
29  27th Dumbarton      0-2     -               
    
    March
31  2nd  Hamilton       3-1     Bryce,Walker    BK Walker,Burley
				Scott
33  6th  COWDENBEATH    3-1     Bryce(penalty),      -
				Traynor,Scott
34  10th Dunfermline    1-1     Bryce (pen)     BK Kennedy,George
35  13th CLYDEBANK      0-0     -               BK Duncan
36  20th Kilmarnock     1-1     Walker          BK George,Robertson,Bryce
						   Walker
37  27th RAITH ROVERS   0-0     -                    -
    
    April
37  3rd  Morton         0-1     -                    -
39  10th HAMILTON       1-0     Kennedy         SO Shotton BK Hood,Robertson
41  17th Cowdenbeath    1-0     Bryce (pen)          -
42  24th DUMBARTON      0-0     -                    -
    
    May
44  1st  Meadowbank     2-1     Walker,Bryce         -
45  8th  ST.MIRREN      3-3     Hood,Scott,OG   SO McVie  BK Hood
AC  13th KILMARNOCK     1-2     Bryce                -
46  15th Stirling Alb   1-1     Walker          BK George, Burley
    
                              
49.686PAKORA::GMCDONALDSHOTTON'S ARMYMon May 17 1993 15:289
    
    
    
    Kev,              Was there any rumours at the ground concerning 
    transfers either in or out .  Also would you take Sammy Johnston back ?
    
    
                     SQF HM..
    
49.687You thought it was all over...8-))AYOV16::AARNOTTMon May 17 1993 16:1111
    Blinkin' flip Kev, I didn't realise Ayr's disciplinary record was that
    bad. No wonder you wanted stranraer to come up.  8-)
    
    By the way, It's time to put your money where your favourite saying of
    the last week comes from. A fiver say's that Killie will NOT be "the
    cowdenbeath of the Premier League" next year. 
    
    14 points or more by close of play on the last day next season. Speak
    now or forever hold your pieces 8-)))))))))))
    
    Andy.
49.688AYOV16::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthMon May 17 1993 17:1136
    Andy,
    
    I think I'll keep my hand firmly on my pieces !!!
    
    I don't think anybody could really be that bad in the Premier. Even
    Killie on their last visit to the Premier came out with more points
    than that (and they had a couple of severe leatherings as well if I
    remember correctly) however I do believe they will be relegated come
    the end of the season. I will be asking my local bookie for odds on the
    following;
    		Rangers for the league and Scottish Cup
    		Falkirk for the First Division
    		Killie to drop to where they should be
    		Brechin to get relegated
    		Hearts to be one of the 3 teams relegated (if they haven't
    		gone bust by then)
    		Wallace Mercer to do a Maxwell
    I reckon I should get odds of about 100-1 for the that lot.
    
    100-1 ON !!!!!
    
    
    Sal,
    
    There was not much talk of transfers at Stirling. I wouldn't want to
    see Sammy Johnston back at Somerset , he was lazy,greedy,overweight and
    over rated. The squirrels should be interested, although he is a bit
    young. I would prefer Colin West from Dundee, Paul McLaughlin for left
    back cover, and a striker that can get into the box ! 
    
    
    Season ticket prices are up to 90 quid for the ground/enclosure but if
    you buy it before 17 june you get a fiver off. Admission for next year
    is 7 for the stand, 5,50 for enclosure and 5 for the ground. Robbery.
    
    Kev....
49.689AYOV16::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthMon May 17 1993 18:1723
    
    Ayr was rather a quiet town on Saturday night, however, McArthurs Bar
    was , as usual, full, lots of Ayr fans in, muttering about how the
    hoopy maggots had somehow fluked their way into the Premier but would
    surely embarrass themselves now that they were there. Arguments went
    on through the evening and voices were raised but everyone fell silent
    when through the door walked a giant of a man with an alligator on a
    lead. He strode up to the bar, punters scrambling over each other to
    get out the way as the alligator eyed them menacingly.
    
    The man's voice boomed above the strains of the disco. 
    
    "Do you serve Kilmarnock supporters in here ?" he growled, glaring at the
    barman.
    
    "Err,mmm,,ehh, Yes" said the barman, nervously watching the alligator.
    
    "Well I'll have a lager and a Kilmarnock supporter for the alligator"
    
    
    
    
    Kev...
49.690KILLIE - Ayrshires' No.1AYOV14::JBELLMon May 17 1993 19:3310
    
    Re. -1
    
    KMCCLELLAND,
    
         There seems to be a budding comedian inside you but don't give
     that day job up just yet !!!
    
                                          JB (KFC).
                                                                               
49.691AYOV11::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthMon May 17 1993 20:0410
    re .690
    
    JBELL
    
    Glad to see that you have a sense of humour, unlike many of your fellow
    supporters.
    
    Cheers,
    
    Kev....
49.692Get rid of time.BUSSTP::DSMITHWORLD BEWARE!! GAZZA'S A PRATTue May 18 1993 14:5814
    
    
     Free transfers given too : Mickey Robertson, Lachlan Miller,
    Stuart Robertson(why did we ever sign him?), Paul Burke, Graeme McVie,
    Barry Crews and Alan McTurk. The only real surprise is McTurk although
    he didn't feature too often towards the end of the season.
    
     Nigel Howard, Tommy Walker, John Traynor and Gordon Mair have been
    asked to go part-time.
    
     Assuming the frees move on, Ayr will be left with 15 players and 5 YTS
    nippers. Burley hopes to sign 3 or 4 players in the close season.
    
     Danny.
49.693TESCO POKES IN THE PREMIER..PAKORA::GMCDONALDSHOTTON'S ARMYTue May 18 1993 15:1010
    
    
    Dan,       Burley included I count 17 still on the books,have a count
    and see what you come up with.  More worrying is that I count 10
    fulltimers on the books at the moment so that would indicate that most
    if not all signings will be part time players.
               BTW I've counted Barry Scott as a fultime player..
    
    
                SQF HM.....
49.694AYOV14::LGRACETue May 18 1993 18:307
    I also reckon we have 17 players left at somerset.They are as follows:
    Full-Time - Duncan,Burley,Agnew,Shotton,Hood,Robertson,George,Scott,
    McGivern and Bryce.
    Part-Time - Howard,Mair,Traynor,Walker,Kennedy,Spence and Carse.
    It has been indicated that there will be 5 YTS signings.I personally
    would rather have seen George going part-time than Traynor.
                            Roll on next season
49.695BUSSTP::DREESWed May 19 1993 22:2112
    
    Sal,
    
       I, like the others, wouldn't have Sammy Johnston back at Somerset.
    For the same reasons Kev mentioned, coupled with the fact that Burley
    is not the type to resign a player he let go, he'll not be back. I
    always felt he thought Ayr was below him. We certainly got the better
    deal when Cammy arrived at Somerset. Burley knows the midfield is the
    weakest part of the team so hopefully this can be sorted before the
    start of next season. 
    
     Del. (can't even call me part-time any longer) 
49.696statusAYOV27::SALLENMon May 31 1993 13:565
    Has Cammy or Greg Hood signed for next year. I know they have been
    offered new contracts.
    
    ... Bean
    
49.697Eeeeeeeyyyyyyyooooorrrrrrrrrrrre !AYOV11::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthMon May 31 1993 19:1111
    re .last
    
    Not as yet......but tomorrow's paper may prove me wrong.
    
    
    We have drawn the Mighty Motherwell at home in the 2nd round of the
    League Cup (formerly the Skol Cup).
    
    Practise making donkey noises for the return of Dobbin....
    
    Kev...
49.698Dalglish for Somerset.BUSSTP::DSMITHWORLD BEWARE!! GAZZA'S A PRATWed Jun 02 1993 16:4915
    
    
    
     Ayr will play Blackburn Rovers at Somerset on July 28th in a
    testimonial game for ex-manager Ally MacLeod who actually played
    for Blackburn 30 years ago. Kenny Dalglish is expected to bring 
    his first team squad north for the game including Britain's most
    expensive player, Alan Shearer who is recovering from injury. If,
    as expected, Roy Keane signs for them, they'll be fairly attractive
    opponents for a pre-season friendly. Just my luck that I'll be away
    on holiday then. I'll just have to wait until the season starts in
    earnest and then delight at the thought of watching Ayr v Stirling 
    or some other cracking tie.
    
     Danny.
49.699AYOV11::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthWed Jun 02 1993 17:0615
    Greg Hood has signed another contract (full-time) for 1 year.
    
    Only Tommy Walker and Graeme Robertson have yet to agree terms for
    next season. I take it this means Cammy Knickers has re-signed.
    
    We have also arranged a pre-season friendly against Coventry and 
    perhaps Hibernian (if they ain't known as Edinburgh Rovers after 
    the possible merger with Hearts ;-))
    
    One of my rumours could be true . It appears we were interested
    in Colin West.
    
    
    
    Kev...
49.700Answers please...BUSSTP::DSMITHWORLD BEWARE!! GAZZA'S A PRATWed Jun 02 1993 18:0110
    
    
    Kev,
    
       who the hell is Colin West ??????
    
     Danny.
    
    ps I seem to remember some chap by that name at Dundee. Where will
      Burley get any money to attract players to Somerset??
49.701PLUNDR::MORANTripple ripple truffle shufflerWed Jun 02 1993 18:246
    
    Colin West used to play for Sunderland and Rangers among others, I
    believe. I was probably being kind when I used the word 'play' in the
    previous sentance, btw. ;-)
    
    Tim 
49.702SUBURB::COMMITCommit GroupWed Jun 02 1993 19:277
         Danny
    
         Colin West is crap.  He used to play for West Brom and to put
         it in short for yer, he couldn't score in a brothal.
    
         
         Baz
49.703KIRKTN::ISUTHERLANDSerial WasterWed Jun 02 1993 20:345
    
    There are two Colin West's.One who plays/ed for Dundee,(signed from
    Chelsea reserves i think),and the other who has already been mentioned,
    who played for Rangers,(Graeme Souness' first signing for anyone who is
    interested).
49.704AYOV11::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthWed Jun 02 1993 20:4122
    re 701,702
    
    Sorry chaps, you are thinking of the other Colin West, ex-Chelsea and
    Rangers and currently with Swansea (seen getting sent-off in a play-off
    game recently)
    
    I am talking about the Colin West who was released by Dundee. He is a
    25-year-old right midfield/winger with explosive pace who destroyed
    Ayr in the Centenary Cup final. He is a wee bit injury prone and found
    it hard to move up to Premier league standard and this is why he got
    the chop from Dens. Burley spoke to him last week but he has since
    returned to Middlesborough (home-town) and hopes to find a club down
    there.  
    
    Other rumours I would like to start are;
    
    We are signing Graham Harvey from Airdrie (free)
    		   Paul McLaughlin from Thistle (free)
    		   Malky Shotton will be made assistant manager at the end
    		   of the season.	
    
    Kev...
49.705You've got to be kiddingBUSSTP::DSMITHWORLD BEWARE!! GAZZA'S A PRATThu Jun 03 1993 12:296
    
    
    Come off it Kev, how can we sign Harvey and McLaughlin. Between them
    they must weigh about 35 stone, and their both crap!!!
    
     Danny.
49.706AYOV16::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthThu Jun 03 1993 13:018
    I know Paul is a bit on the chubby side, but Harvey is tall and lanky
    as far as I can remember, and he scored 25-30 goals last year, albeit
    for Airdrie reserves.
    
    If we are going to try and play with 2 midget strikers we better not 
    hope to see many goals.
    
    Kev...
49.707They were all fat thugsBUSSTP::DSMITHWORLD BEWARE!! GAZZA'S A PRATThu Jun 03 1993 17:1611
    
    
     Kev, with the present squad of players, I don't think we can hope
    to see many goals anyway.
    
     I thought Harvey was one of the fat thugs who kicked their way out
    of the first division a couple of seasons ago. Maybe I've got him
    mixed up somebody else in that team. After all, they were all a 
    bunch of hoofers.
    
     Danny.
49.708BUSSTP::DREESSun Jun 20 1993 14:517
    
    Ayr are away at Clydebank in the first game of the season.
    
    We took 5pts out of 8 from them last season. The same this 
    coming season would be fine.
                        
    Del.
49.709Bannon for Ayr !!!!!PAKORA::GMCDONALDSun Jun 20 1993 17:5911
    
    Del,         What do you think of thr Burns signing, also who do
           we play at New Year this season ? Now that Killie are
           scared to play us ? 8*)))))...
    
    
                 Also,could you tell us who the Jambo's play on the 1st day
           of the season as your old pal Colin has been asking ???
    
    
                SQF HM..
49.710BUSSTP::DREESSun Jun 20 1993 18:5216
    
    Sal,
    
         the jambos travel to Ibrox on the opening day. After their usual
    gubbing they'll probably start the season at the bottom of the league.
    The question is....will they improve on that position????? :-) 
    
    I'm not so sure about Hughie Burns, if he stays injury free and 100%
    fit he should be a good signing, if not, at least we haven't wasted
    cash. He should add some dig to the middle of the park and at 27 we
    just might get a few good years out of him....BUT he wasn't a great
    success at Killie, so only time will tell.
     I've only got the opening days fixtures from the Sunday Mail, so
    I don't know about the New Year game.
    
    Del.
49.711AYOV11::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthMon Jun 21 1993 13:2714
    Ah Del !
    
    The sad and rabid rantings of man deprived of his visits to the San
    Somerset Stadium. You're doing too many weekenders in DEC and it must
    have affected your judgement. Hugh Burns is a fat, overweight, obese
    large, lazy,troublemaking , good for nothing squirrel and Burley will
    rue the day he signed the pudden. I have it on good authority that he
    was escorted from the Gorgie Boys Den after certain misdemeanours were
    brought to light and he did not have a good rep at Baghdad either.
    
    Thunder Thighs wearing the Black & White !   I'm gutted.
    
    
    Kev....
49.712BUSSTP::DREESMon Jun 21 1993 14:0414
    
    Kev,
    
       don't mince your words...
    
       Am I right in thinking you don't feel he'll be a good signing ? 
       Or did I pick you up wrong ?
    
       Don't be sooooooo vague.
    
       Del.
      
    
    
49.713Ex pat needs info !!!!!KIRKTN::GMCDONALDMon Jun 21 1993 15:227
    
    
    Kev,            Any fresh info,rumour or just plain lies ?
    
    
    
                                       SQF HM..
49.714AYOV16::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthMon Jun 21 1993 15:3920
    Sorry Sal,
    
    It's all quiet on the Western Front. Burley is reported to be
    struggling to find part-time players of the quality he requires. 
    
    Tommy Walker has landed a job outside football (did he ever have one in
    it ?) and it looks like he may relent and sign the part-time contract
    offered to him. Traynor still seems set to leave , if anyone wants him.
    
    Eamonn Bannon has not ruled out a move to Ayr but only if Gala
    Fairydean do not top our offer . ;-)
    
    the only rumour/lie I can start is that Gregg Hood's days at the San
    Somerset are numbered and that he may be involved in a player swap deal
    before the start of the season (with a rather large Premier club i
    might add) 
    
    there is an element of truth in that.  wait and see.
    
    Kev...
49.715Sorry to see him go...AYOV11::AARNOTTTue Jun 22 1993 21:0610
    Re .711
    
    Kev, your entitled to your opinion but yer talkin P!$h. Shuggie Burns
    is neither fat nor lazy - any trouble making rumours may have more to
    do with religious differences at rugby park and the wee man's fondness
    for a shandy or two. He's still got more guts and heart than many of
    the mercenary old codgers at Killie and will definitely "play for the
    jersey" (even if a seagull has crapped all over it).
    
    Andy.
49.716Super ShuggieAYOV11::BLIVINGSTONEWed Jun 23 1993 07:126
    Well said Andy,i would have love to have seen SHUGGIE stay with us,as
    you so rightly said he plays for the jersey and will be a very good
    player for Ayr.In fact he,s a better player than most of the crap
    currently playing for both Ayr and Killie.   
    
    
49.717HERE WE GO AGAIN!!!!!AYOV17::LGRACEWed Jun 23 1993 12:2077
    Here is Ayr's fixtures for the coming season.
    July-Friendlies
    24th COVENTRY
    26th HIBERNIAN
    28th BLACKBURN
    31st STRANRAER
    --------------
    August 
    7th  Clydebank
    10th MOTHERWELL (League Cup)
    14th STIRLING ALBION
    21st Clyde
    28th DUMBARTON
    --------------
    September
    4th  St Mirren
    10th Brechin City
    14th FALKIRK
    18th Hamilton
    25th DUNFERMLINE
    28th MORTON
    --------------
    October
    2nd  Airdrie
    9th  CLYDEBANK
    16th Falkirk
    23rd BRECHIN CITY
    30th CLYDE
    --------------
    November
    6th  Dumbarton
    9th  ST MIRREN
    13th AIRDRIE
    20th Morton
    27th Dunfermline
    --------------
    December
    4th  HAMILTON
    11th Stirling Albion
    18th FALKIRK
    27th Clydebank
    --------------
    January
    1st  Clyde
    8th  DUMBARTON
    15th St Mirren
    22nd STIRLING ALBION
    29th Scottish Cup 3rd Round
    --------------
    February
    5th  Brechin City
    12th Airdrie
    19th Scottish Cup 4th Round
    26th MORTON
    --------------
    March
    5th  Hamilton
    12th DUNFERMLINE
    19th Falkirk
    26th CLYDEBANK
    29th Stirling Albion
    -------------
    April
    2nd  BRECHIN CITY
    9th  AIRDRIE
    16th Morton
    23rd HAMILTON
    27th Dunfermline
    30th CLYDE
    -------------
    May
    7th  Dumbarton
    14th ST MIRREN
    
    (Home games in block capitals)
                                 Cheers
                                Lawrence
49.718AYOV16::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthWed Jun 23 1993 13:0112
    re .715 and .716
    
    Andy, if he has a fondness for "a shandy or three" then what will he be
    like about mid September when he has owned his pub in Darvel for a
    couple of weeks ?  And he has refused a full-time contract in favour of
    part-time at the ripe old age of 27. Distinct lack of ambition there. 
    I'll be the first to admit if he's playing well,(i'll probably be the
    only one to admit it, as no-one else seems to go anymore, except Sal
    and Fin) but I have never thought of him as a player I would like to
    see in the Ayr side. Too many stories ...No smoke without fire...etc.
    
    Kev...
49.719No more Seagull Droppings ?AYOV16::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthFri Jun 25 1993 12:5310
    Announced in the Ayrshire Post.....
    
    Ayr have a new sponsor for next season with an option to extend the
    contract. It will , of course, mean a new strip to rip cash off the
    poor , impoverished punters. i.e. ME !
    
    No news on who the deal is with unfortunately.
    
    
    Kev....
49.720Major new signing....BUSSTP::DSMITHWORLD BEWARE!! GAZZA'S A PRATSat Jul 10 1993 14:328
    
    
     Hot news, Ayr have signed 35 year old midfielder Neil McNab from
    Tranmere Rovers. McNab has played for Morton, Spurs, Manchester City,
    Brighton, Bolton and Leeds. I recall him being a good player many
    years ago, but at 35 I don't think he's one for the future!!
    
     Danny.
49.721UpdateYELBUS::DSMITHWORLD BEWARE!! GAZZA'S A PRATTue Jul 13 1993 16:057
    
    
     Well, that's the Eammon Bannon saga over. He's joined Hibs on a
    free. Also, Sammy Johnston has signed for the mighty Gateshead. He
    might even look good in a non-league team.
    
     Danny.
49.722Hello worldYELBUS::DSMITHGazza's my hero...NOT!!!!!Thu Jul 15 1993 18:258
    
    
     The new shirt sponsors will be announced next week, a major high
    street chain. Any ideas/suggestions as to who it could be???
    
     Are there any other Ayr fans out there???
    
     Danny.
49.723S DAYOV27::SALLENThu Jul 15 1993 18:395
    Rumour has it they were speaking at one point to Sports Division owned
    by Jim Hunter from New Cumnock
    
    
    ... Stevie
49.724Holidays are over......BooooooooAYOV16::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthMon Jul 19 1993 14:389
    Sports Division will indeed be the new shirt sponsors. We are now in
    the company of the mighty Glenafton in carrying the logo. A new strip
    will also appear soon (this week ?) in an attempt to screw more cash
    from the fans.
    
    Only 5 days till the start of the friendlies. Saturdays return to
    normality at last.
    
    Kev...
49.725You heard it here firstAYOV11::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthTue Jul 20 1993 18:0911
    First result of the season......
    
    Ayr 0 - 1 Carlisle Utd  in a closed-doors friendly last night.
    
    The Daily Record revealed today that Sports Division are to be the new
    sponsors. 
    
    Does Alex "Candid" Cameron read VAXNotes ??   I think we should be told
    
    
    Kev...
49.726"New" striker at Somerset..YELBUS::DSMITHGazza's my hero...NOT!!!!!Wed Jul 21 1993 19:4211
    
    
    
     Alan "Rambo" McInally will play for Ayr against Blackburn in Ally
    McLeods testimonial next week. He has spent the last week training
    with his fellow has-beens just up the road, so any skill he did have
    will have been well removed by now!!! Pity we don't have any money
    available to offer him a contract, he would treble the size of the
    current strike force.
    
     Danny.
49.727He's made his moneyRTOEU::RDELANEYBack to the teuchter....Thu Jul 22 1993 13:303
    There was a picture of him in the paper here (Munich) yesterday. They
    reckon he would've had a good career here at Bayern only for his
    injuries. 
49.728How's shug?AYOV11::AARNOTTMon Jul 26 1993 13:286
49.729AYOV11::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthMon Jul 26 1993 14:0940
    Ayr United 3 -2 Coventry City
    
    Ayr first friendly of the season saw a rematch of the 1991 curtain
    raiser and almost a repeat scoreline. Fielding several new players and
    without a few expected names, it was a strange looking side which lined
    up against the midlands club. The central defence had Ronnie McQuilter
    at 4 and John Traynor at 5. Midfield; McNab at 6, Eddie Annand from 
    Partick Thistle at 9 and Hugh Burns at 10. Referee Herald of Coventry
    sorry - Newton Mearns got the game underway and after an initial spell
    of midfield battling it was Ayr who took the initiative when good work
    by Robertson and McGivern saw the latters cross headed down by City
    left back Morgan straight to Eddie Annand who blasted home from 8 yards
    for a debut goal in 21 minutes. This sparked a fightback from City and
    Lee Hurst cracked a tremendous shot off the underside of the bar in
    almost the next attack. McNab appeared a bit bemused at the pace and
    was not linking up with the front men as well as expected and Burns was
    doing most of the work along with Kennedy and McGivern.  With the rain
    falling steadily , everyone moved to the Somerset End in time to see
    Kennedy concede a free-kick on the left wing and when the cross came in
    there was David Rennie to head home the equaliser in 42 minutes. 
    
    Ayr started the second half better and McNab and Scott came more into
    the game. A delicate through ball from Annand sent Scott free and he
    raced towards goal and at the perfect moment sent a inch-perfect chip
    over Johnathan Gould into the net to restore Ayr's advantage. It was
    all Ayr now and it came as no surprise when they went 3-1 up when the
    tireless McGivern ran clear down the left and his low cross was blasted
    home by Hugh Burns from 7 yards. This provoked an angry reaction from a
    Coventry player who booted the ball into the enclosure and was booed
    and jeered by the home fans. In the 87th minute, Hurst scored a second
    for Coventry when Duncan slipped going for the ball and left the City
    forward with the easiest of chances.
    
    Marks For Merit
    
    Duncan *** ,Burley *** ,Robertson *** ,McQuilter *** , Traynor ****,
    McNab **, Kennedy *** , McGivern **** , Annand *** ,Burns *** ,
    Scott ***. Sub Carse *
    
    Hibs at home tonight . Report tomorrow.
49.730BUSSTP::DREESMon Jul 26 1993 19:254
    
    I gather these marks were out of 10 and not 5. :=)
    
    Del.
49.731AYOV16::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthTue Jul 27 1993 13:0847
    
    Ayr United 0 - 2 Hibernian
    
    Ayr were brought back to earth with a bump last night after losing 2
    goals at opposite ends of the match. Hibs served notice of their
    intentions as early as the second minute when Duncan had to look smart
    to block a shot from Wright with his legs. However the opening goal was
    not long in coming and after a mix-up between McQuilter and himself the
    ball was played through to Danny Lennon who blasted a 4th minute shot
    under Duncan. Ayr were seldom seen as an attacking force and although
    McGivern and Annand worked tirelessly up-front, they were not supplied
    with any quality balls from a lacklustre midfield. McNab began to come
    more into the game however and put in a few fierce challenges, earning
    him a warning from the Troon referee. Roland Fabiani was having a good
    match at left-back and linked up well with Barry Scott to provide
    several openings but Hibs tall centre-half Tweed cleared anything in
    the air with ease. Cammyu Duncan had a very active first half , having
    to head clear, dribble the ball clear and also clear from the edge of
    the box as Hibs pressed for a 2 goal cushion. 
    
    Ayr brought on Carse for McGivern at half-time after Sammy had received
    an arm knock when Tweed kicked him. This effectively ended Ayr's
    attacking hopes as it left Annand ploughing on alone. Carse is too
    small and too light. A bit clueless when given the ball as well.
    McQuilter was deservedly subbed after about an hour , he was not very
    good at all (euphimistic way of describing his performance as the
    moderators are clamping down on insults used to describe a player).
    Nigel Howard replaced him and immediately, the defence looked tighter. 
    Cammy had occasion to make several more one-on-one saves the most
    notable when Howard slipped and left Evans in and another finger tip
    save from an Evans floated shot. With 19 minutes left Hibs brought on
    McGraw and the youngster supplied the second goal in the 88th minute
    when he slipped the ball under Cammy and in at the far post. Soon after
    the ref brought to and end "90 minutes of sheer hell" (said in a wee
    girlie-John Barnes type voice) and we departed. BTW we did not have one
    direct shot on goal AT ALL.  A very disturbing fact.
    
    Marks for merit
    
    Duncan ****, Kennedy ***, McQuilter * ,Fabiani *** ,Traynor ****
    McNab *** , Robertson ** , McGivern *** ,Annand *** , Burns ** , 
    Scott ** , Subs Howard ** , Carse *
    
    Blackburn Rovers tomorrow night for Ally McLeod's testimonial.
    
    
    Kev....
49.732Sign Rambo NOW !AYOV16::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthThu Jul 29 1993 13:1449
    
    Ayr United Old Crocks 0 - 2 Dukla Pumpherston Sawmill & Tannery
    
    An entertaining prelude to the big game commenced at 6.45 and had many 
    stars of the past Ayr teams lined up against broadcaster Chick Young's
    XI.  Guest player Pat Clinton (a boxer) scored the opener and the Dukla
    centre-forward completed the scoring in the last 5 minutes. Good to see
    Bobby Rough,Cutty Young,Hughie Sproat,Dixie and the rest, for probably
    the last time together. 
    
    Ayr United 0 - 1 Blackburn Rovers
    
    The big match saw Ayr line up with John Sludden and Alan McInally, in
    partnership with Eddie Annand, up front as guests. Ayr were first to
    show their intentions when good work by Burley found McInally whose
    head flick was touched out by Sludden to Robertson whose blistering
    shot came off the far post with Mimms clutching at fresh air. Ayr
    were never over-awed by their big-spending opponents and competed well
    for everything in all quarters of the field. Duncan George in
    particular was making sure Blackburn knew he was there with several
    heavy challenges in a 10 minute spell which was to cost him dearly in
    the second half. Traynor and Burley were having superb matches in
    defence and McInally was outstanding leading the Ayr attack. My only
    complaint is that the referee (Louis Thow) was so naive it was
    ridiculous. He spotted every blatant foul (not bad even for him) but
    missed the niggly pushes/shoves/nudges which is so prevalent when you
    watch a "superior" team. I said the same when Rangers played at Ayr in
    the cup, Hateley fouled EVERY time he challenged in the air and the
    Blackburn central defence were exactly the same. 
    
    The second half brought about a big change and Blackburn shifted up a
    gear and went at Ayr to get a goal and make the score respectable. They
    went close on several occasions but found it difficult to get past some
    inspired defending by Ayr until the 76th minute when Duncan George was
    adjudged to have fouled Andersson and was booked for telling the ref
    what he thought of him. From the free-kick, Ripley backed into Howard
    so obviously it was unbeleivable but Nigel only succeded in knocking
    the ball to Nicky Marker who drilled it home from 6 yards past Spence.
    The game drifted to a conclusion and Tim Sherwood picked up the trophy
    as winning captain with Ripley (beleive it or not !) winning MOTM.
    
    Ayr; Duncan (sub Spence), Burley, Roberston, McQuilter, Traynor (sub
    Howard), George, Kennedy, Sludden, McInally, Burns, Annand. 
    
    Blackburn; Mimms,Mays,Le Saux,Sherwood,Marker,Andersson,Ripley,Atkins
    Gallagher,Newell,Wilcox (sub Berg)
    
    Kev...
     
49.733AYOV11::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthMon Aug 02 1993 13:0835
    
    Stranraer 2 - 1 Ayr United
    
    Ayr concluded their pre-season matches with this miserable defeat
    against a rejuvenated Stranraer side. After all Burley's talk about
    playing the ball on the ground and no hopeful punts into the box , it
    was somewhat surprising to see 10 times more hopeful punts than
    measured passes from the midfield. Ayr struggled to find any rhythm and
    only the presence of the Messiah (Malky to the ignorant)stopped
    Stranraer from opening the scoring early on. Brannigan and Gallagher
    had an easy afternoon and must be hoping all strikers they meet this
    season are as ineffectual as Eddie Annand and Tommy Walker were. Ayr
    had no direct chances on goal in the first 45 and the ref's whistle
    brought welcome relief from the onslaught.
    
    Second-half saw Ayr come into it more and with Robertson linking up
    with Barry Scott on the left it looked more promising. However ex-Ayr
    "favourite" Stevie McIntyre had other ideas and a series of dreadful
    challenges by him on Scott ended his interest in the game. Ayr took
    the lead in 70 minutes when Robertson's deflected cross was flicked
    home at the near post by Jimmy Carse (sub for Annand). With 8 minutes
    left Ayr made the most tragic substitution when they replaced the
    Messiah (We're not worthy) with that clueless excuse for a player,
    Ronnie McQuilter. His first contribution was to slam a cross off his
    own crossbar then he set up Stranraer's equaliser when his clearance
    found Darren Henderson all alone who hooked the ball into Cammy's left
    hand corner of the net. With 2 minutes left, McQuilter was left marking
    space as Danny Diver rose to a Henderson cross to head over Cammy for
    the winner. 
    
    A really bad performance by Ayr with only Burley , Robertson, Shotton
    and perhaps Traynor getting pass marks. That should give Burley a few
    headaches before the league opener next Saturday.
    
    Kev...
49.734DAZZA FA KILLIEPAKORA::CREILLYCHARLIEFri Aug 13 1993 14:433
    
    
     Darren a good KILLIE boy.....
49.735BUSSTP::DREESFri Aug 13 1993 19:588
    
    re. last
    
    Nice interesting note Charlie.....
    
    look forward to reading more of your gems throughout the season !
    
    Del.
49.736nice oneMASALA::CREILLYCHARLIEFri Aug 13 1993 20:036
    Hi del.
    
    
    
    
    Charlie
49.737Some hae meat !!KIRKTN::GMCDONALDSouth side o' KyleMon Aug 16 1993 03:248
    
    
            A 2-1 win over the "mighty" Stirling Albion sees the Ayr creep
    into 7th place.A position they will probably not better all season !
    Still not a bad weekend when we win and Killie lose,and have to spend
    4 hours on a coach to get home from the north ..
    
                    HM..
49.738HOLD ON!... THERE'S SOMETHING MISSING HERE?!?AYOV17::GLEROYMon Aug 16 1993 16:075
    Just back from holiday, and after reading the extended coverage of
    Ayr's pre-season games, I was looking forward to the reports on the
    Clydebank and Motherwell games which are conspicuous by their absense!
    
    Gavin.
49.739Sarky aren't we ?AYOV11::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthMon Aug 16 1993 16:459
    As I take it you are having a dig at me, I'll have to reply. I too have
    been on holiday , but still watched all 3 games played in the last 10
    days. A report will follow on all 3 when I get the chance. This means
    that you will also have to read about Ayr's 1 league victory so far as
    well. Sorry for the inconvenience. Normal service will be resumed as
    soon as possible. 
    
    The Staff Reporter
    
49.740BUSSTP::DREESMon Aug 16 1993 17:238
    
    You wanna get your act together.....
    
    I expect these reports in the notes first thing Monday morning!
    
    :-)
    
    Del.
49.741AYOV11::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthTue Aug 17 1993 11:5165
    
    Clydebank 1 - 0 Ayr United
    
    The first game of the season took Ayr to Kilbowie with a more settled
    looking team and more familiar faces than of late. One surprise
    omission was that of Hugh Burns ,that multi-talented midfielder or
    defender we plundered from the Bayroot Boys. It appeared , from
    terracing stories, that he had fallen out with the manager after
    getting a roasting for not trying in the reserve friendlies and he
    walked out on the club. Good start to his Ayr career. The match itself
    was an enjoyable spectacle but I was a bit concerned that Burley's pre-
    season hype about a "passing game" was turning out to be just hype as
    he continually pumped high balls to our dwarfy strike force of Bryce
    and McGivern. Ayr lost a goal 4 minutes after the interval when Eadie's
    shot was parried by Duncan as far as Craig Flannigan and he shot into
    an empty net. For the last 20 minutes it was all Ayr and Barry Scott
    had several chances including two one-on-ones with the keeper which he
    must learn how to put away. A McGivern header was cleared off the line
    to Shotton who's header hit the bar and bounced over. A McGivern cross
    in 85 minutes found Stevie Bryce and his diving header beat Woods at
    the far post , only for the goal to be chalked off for offside. A bit
    frustrating but signs were that we could string a couple of passes
    together if we tried.
    
    Ayr United 0 - 6 Motherwell
    
    This debacle ended Ayr's interest in the League Cup at an early
    juncture and although Ayr played 20 minutes with 10 men and Motherwell
    cashed in with three goals in that period, it could have been more. In
    11 minutes Paul McGrillen waltzed through several challenges and
    rounded Duncan before scoring. In 28 minutes Dougie Arnott scored with
    a curled shot to the back post as everyone was expecting a pass. And so
    it stayed until half-time. After 50 odd minutes a Martin knockdown from
    a corner was scooped home by Arnott from 3 yards and the game was over
    as a contest. In 70 minutes Arnott was pulled back by Shotton and my
    favourite ref Davie Syme sent off the Messiah. May he rot in hell for
    his bad judgement. Motherwell introduced old Ayr favourite Ally Graham
    or "Super Ally" as their fans were heard to call him and he made an
    instant impression when he slipped a measured pass to McGrillen who
    dummied our dummy and scored the fourth in 75 minutes. Motherwell
    scored two in the last minute when first Graham then Ferguson beat
    Duncan from close range. A pitiful performance.
    
    
    Ayr United 2 - 1 Stirling Albion
    
    Ayr's first home league game brought a welcome victory over a stubborn
    Stirling team who fouled continually and had big hoofing defenders who
    just thump it the way the are looking. It must be the combination of
    the Arsenal strips and the number of Killie rejects who play for them.
    Ayr were all over Stirling who only looked dangerous on the break and 
    looked dodgy in defence. Traynor should have done better in 20 minutes
    when twice in a minute he was foiled by the bar and then the keeper
    from headers. It took until 49 minutes for Ayr's pressure to turn into
    goals when a McGivern cross was turned into his own goal by a Stirling
    defender trying to clear. 15 minutes later it was 2-0 when Barry Scott
    met another McGivern cross and slotted it past McGeown. Traynor then
    hit the post and McGivern had a stonewall penalty denied when his
    diving header struck a Stirling hand on the way to goal. However ,
    Ayr's failure to kill off Stirling almost cost them dear when slack
    marking let Callaghan score in 81 minutes and the defence lost all
    cohesion for the remaining time as wave after wave of Stirling attacks
    were desperately cleared.  Still, 2 points, musn't grumble.  
    
    
49.742AYOV16::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthTue Aug 24 1993 05:5856
    
    Clyde 0 - 1 Ayr United
    
    This result saw Ayr move into 4th spot in the league and get the season
    off to a reasonable start for a change. After finding our way from the
    home section of the stand at Douglas Park (thanks for the tickets again
    Davie !) we sat and basked in the bright sunshine behind the goal in an
    atmosphere not unlike that of a public park , only not quite as busy.
    The gypsy nomads known as the "Bully Wee" supporters were outnumbered
    perhaps 3 to 2 and each appeared to have his own personal crush-barrier
    to stand against. 
    
    The match started with Ayr playing up the steep slope in the first half
    but it was Clyde who were more evident as the Ayr rearguard had to look
    lively on several occasions to clear from Clarke and Sludden. Young
    Paul Ronald on the right-wing for Clyde had a good first half , except
    for his amateur dramatics when tackled by Sammy and he will no doubt
    find a better setting for his talents than the deserted terracings of
    Hamilton (or Cumbernauld when they get there). The referee, a Mr O'Hare
    from Glenboig , had one of those matches you just want to forget. He
    managed to book 6 players in what was scarcely a dirty game. First was
    McQuilter for stupidly kicking the ball away after a foul had been
    given. Then McGivern for the aforementioned tackle on Ronald and Neil
    McNab quickly followed for a foul on Sludden , all these coming inside
    28 minutes. Clyde had Ayr under the cosh for long periods and only
    inches stopped Steve Clarke from opening the scoring , after an
    intelligent ball from Sludden flew just past his inrushing boot at the
    back post. However, just when it looked like half-time would arrive at
    0-0, up popped Stevie Bryce to head a tremendous goal from a Burley
    cross. He sent it high and looping over the despairing hands of Fridge
    in the Clyde goal in 44 minutes. Ayr were almost caught cold when
    McQuilter could only head a Tennant cross as far as McCarron whose shot
    hit the side netting with Cammy hopelessly beaten. 
    
    The second half started with Ayr more in evidence as an attacking force
    as Burns and Burley and Robertson and Scott linked up well on the
    flanks. McFarlane became the first Clyde name in the book when a
    two-footed assault on Barry Scott left the Ayr number 11 needing
    treatment for an ankle knock. After he had been booked he ran into his
    place in defence while Barry was attended to and he got a fair amount
    of abuse from the Ayr support behind his goal. He replied with a cheeky
    grin and various gestures. Sammy McGivern was then asked to mete out
    some retribution with the cry of "SAMMY, NUMBER 2 !!" He responded with 
    a thumbs-up and a shout which consisted mainly of his opinion that the
    Clyde captain was not worth the hassle and that he indulged in various
    forms of personal abuse as well. All good fun, but don't take the wife
    and kids ! The Clyde number 5 quickly followed into the book as the ref
    appeared to wish to even up the Yellow cards if not the goals, but late
    sub Davie Kennedy put the bookings beyond Clyde's reach when he was
    cautioned in the last couple of minutes for a foul on Tennant.  
    
    A happy Ayr support (all of 450 approx) left a minute later when the
    ref brought the game to an end with the score still 1-0 for the Super
    U's...
    
    Kev...
49.743You heard it here first.......AYOV16::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthTue Aug 24 1993 07:1014
    According to the Daily Record, Ayr are attempting to sign 2 players.
    
    I can exclusively reveal their identities are;
    
    Jim Beattie, ex-St Mirren Under-21 internationalist currently in
    Finland, who was a member of the Scotland Under-16 World Cup team which
    lost in the final a couple of years ago
    
    and
    
    Keith Bertschin ex-Norwich City amongst others. A tall centre-forward
    currently playing non-league in England.
    
    The Reporter....  
49.744Ayr 0 Dumbarton 1BUSSTP::DREESSun Aug 29 1993 14:5213
    
    Went to my first game of the season yesterday.
    
    Wish I hadn't bothered.
    
    That'll be the last fiver I spend on that crap this season.
    
    I reckon Burley's had his chance. Utd are no better now than the were
    a couple of seasons ago. Very dissapointing.
    
    Del.
    
    
49.745BUSSTP::DREESWed Sep 01 1993 16:009
    
    According to todays paper.....Neil McNab is on his way after only 2
    months at Somerset.
    
    Another successfully Burley signing!!!....surprised he lasted that
    long. On the one occasion I saw him he was shocking. Hopefully
    Burley will be the next to go.
    
    Disillusioned Del.
49.746Justice was done at the end of the dayAYOV11::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthWed Sep 01 1993 21:2140
    
    Ayr United 0 - 1 Dumbarton
    
    Ayr slumped to their first home league defeat of the season against
    the Sons on Saturday. Gordon Mair made his return from injury and
    almost made it an explosive start when he cut in from the unfamiliar
    right-wing position and smashed a 25 yard shot off the crossbar in the
    second minute. That, however, was one of the few occasions when Ayr
    were dangerous and the home support had to endure a dour match
    enlivened only by Neil McNab's attempts at finding an Ayr player with a
    pass, he was absolutely shocking and it has come as no surprise to me
    to hear that he is leaving Ayr after only 8 games. He blames the
    travelling from his home in Manchester, I blame his inept performances
    and the ensuing terracing abuse he suffered. It's a sad end to a long
    career but he really is well past it. The match never really got
    started and Dumbarton were seldom seen attacking, seeming more content
    to soak up pressure and attempt to hit on the break. After the break,
    Dumbarton hit Ayr with a quick goal and it proved to be the winner.
    Meechan eluded new signing Beattie on the right wing and his cross was
    met by Mooney who powered a great diving header past the helpless
    Duncan. Ayr to their credit took the game to the Sons and were unlucky
    on several occasions, most notably a string of tremendous saves from
    McFarlane in the Dumbarton goal, mainly from Traynor headers. With time
    running out , Ayr were awarded a penalty when John Traynor dived in the
    box with no-one near him. It was such a blatant dive it was
    unbeleivable that the myopic-man-in-black pointed at the spot, however
    Sammy McGivern had the perfect chance to open his account and save a
    point for Ayr. His spotkick was high and to the keepers left but
    somehow McFarlane made it across to brilliantly touch it round a post
    and deny Ayr a point they scarcely deserved. All in all a crap
    performance and Mr Burley has some thinking to do before his lambs are
    put to the slaughter at St Mirren Park on Saturday. Perhaps the loss
    (or should it be gain ?) of McNab will mean a central midfield role for
    Hugh Burns , who did not feature against Dumbarton, or it may mean the
    return of Duncan George. 
    
    The reserves lost 3-4 at home on Monday to Clydebank. Sweeney,Carse
    and Walker scored.
    
    Kev...... 
49.747Super Sammy breaks his duck....AYOV11::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthTue Sep 07 1993 16:3044
    
    St Mirren 0 - 1 Ayr United
    		    (McGivern 87mins)
    
    As expected Ayr had a few changes in personnel for this match. Shotton
    had an ankle injury, Neil McNab had gone home to Manchester and Stevie
    Bryce had a recurrence of his thigh knock so it was the following line
    up which took the field in sun-drenched Paisley;
    Duncan,Burley,Robertson,Traynor,McQuilter,George,Mair,Walker,McGivern
    Burns and Scott Subs Spence,Howard and Sweeney.
    Ayr started well and were causing the makeshift Buddies defence all
    sorts of problems with probing runs from Scott and tireless running
    from Sammy up front. In defence the improving McQuilter was well on top
    in his battle with Barry Lavety and Robertson coped well with McGrotty
    while Burley closed down Elliot. The ref was keeping a tight hold on
    proceedings and was standing no nonsense , booking McWhirter for a
    crude challenge on Burns after he had released the ball. This was to
    cost McWhirter dearly as 5 minutes before halftime he was sent off for
    dissent after intervening while the ref was booking Fullarton of
    saints, who had struck Tommy Walker during a scramble for the ball at a 
    corner. Ayr made the extra man tell and were in control for the rest of
    the first-half although they had Duncan to thank for three excellent
    saves while the teams were still equal in number. 
    
    Early in the second half, Ronnie McQuilter was ordered off for what the
    ref judged to be a professional foul although the player in question
    did appear to be going away from the goal and contact appeared to be
    minimal to say the least. However this levelled the teams again and gave 
    Saints some heart and they went at Ayr with a vengeance. The ref
    continued to stamp his name all over the game  and booked a further 3
    players before Ayr won a corner with 3 minutes to go. Burns took it and
    his driven corner was met at full speed by Sammy McGivern at the back
    post and he bulleted a header past the helpless Money. Did he celebrate 
    or what ? He was eventually caught by his fellow players about the
    halfway line after doing a victory samba from the penalty area. Mean-
    while, Hugh Burns was retreiving the ball from the goal. He ran to the
    centre-circle and raising the ball toward the St Mirren support, he
    kissed it before placing it on the spot. Ayr played out the remaining
    time well on top although we had Gordon Mair at left-back and he was
    knackered and Tommy Walker who had done nowt all afternoon, was worse
    than useless up front. 2 very welcome points which leaves us in 5th
    place in the league.
    
    Kev....
49.748BUSSTP::DREESFri Sep 10 1993 00:3014
    
    Got this confirmed from the man in the know......
    
    Ayr today signed Alan Moore from St Johnstone and Ian Ferguson from
    Motherwell. 
    
    A bit out of the blue this.....but it's the boost the club and
    especially the supporters need. Although both players have struggled
    to secure regular first team places in the Premier league they should
    hopefully "stick out" in the 1st Div.
    
    Now all we have to do is win away at Brechin on saturday!
    
    Del.  
49.749I'll never listen to Dinger Bell again !AYOV16::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthFri Sep 10 1993 11:176
    The man in the know appears to know nowt as today's Daily Record has
    us signing Colin "Louganis" McGlashan from Plastic Whistle for 25K.
    A wee cheat if there was one and another dwarf. Ho hum. Season ends
    here.
    
    Kev...
49.750Who's next ?????KIRKTN::GMCDONALDtheyre on the park at PalmerstonFri Sep 10 1993 11:4310
    
    Kev,         Less than chuffed with the news today another small
    striker is all we need,I believe McGlashen stands a towering 5ft 6in.
    The fact that we paid 25K for him only makes it worse as we could
    have got Mark McWalter or Roddy Grant for nothing at the start of the 
    season . Lambie has stuffed us again !! He signs Grant for nowt and 
    then sell us a wee pudin for 25K... Oh dear !!!
    
    
                                HM...
49.751Bring back Dobbin...YELBUS::DSMITHGazza's my hero...NOT!!!!!Fri Sep 10 1993 14:2213
    
    
     Del, time to eat humble pie. You should check your "facts" before
    setting yourself up for a slagging!!
    
     As for the confirmed signing, I reckon Burley has a touch of the
   "Mad Ally" football management syndrome ie sign as many tiny tots as
    possible and try to make a team out of them. I think we'll have a long
    season ahead of us, trying to avoid the "drop" to the new 2nd or 3rd
    division or whatever it's called. Not that I'll be wasting much money
    going to see them.
    
      Danny. 
49.752Galloping BS award goes to Dinger.AYOV11::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthFri Sep 10 1993 15:457
    Danny I suppose I should take part of the blame for the Moore/Ferguson
    story. I was told by the same source as Del-boy and he phoned me to
    confirm it before entering the note. Needless to say the "source" will
    be severely reprimanded when he comes in for backshift today....
    
    
    Kev.....
49.753cancel that away winBUSSTP::DREESFri Sep 10 1993 18:187
    
    Cheers Kev....I appreciate the backing up. The source of the duff 
    info will have to be questioned!
    
    Sorry boys....it did sound too good to be true.
    
    Del.
49.754'Jack' Bell , short for 'Jackanory'AYOV11::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthFri Sep 10 1993 18:3112
    Del,
    
    rest assured that the aforementioned "source" has been suitably
    disciplined (ooo err). He now claims he was told the information by
    a certain other member of Digitals staff who could perhaps,occasionally
    play for the super U's now and again, if you get my drift. Sounds like
    the player saw it as an ideal opportunity to rip the pi$h out the big
    man.
    
    However, we are still trying to sign *someone* before tomorrows game
    
    Kev...
49.755Bring on the Bairns !KIRKTN::GMCDONALDtheyre on the park at PalmerstonSat Sep 11 1993 21:2810
    
    
    Result:      Brechin City  0  Ayr Utd  2
                                  McGlashan(I always said he could play ;-)
                                  Howard
    
    
                     SQHHM..
    
                   
49.756WHERE DID WE GET THE MONEY??AYOV14::FHEWITSONAYR AYR SUPER AYRMon Sep 13 1993 05:2920
    
    
    The latest bit of scoop concerning who GB is going to sign is
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    JOHN MILLER of the jam tarts 
    
    heard at GLEBE PARK
    
    COULD THIS BE TRUE??????
    
    
    ANYBODY HEARD ANY OTHER NAMES
    
    FIN.....
49.757Crash, bang, wallopYELBUS::DSMITHGazza's my hero...NOT!!!!!Wed Sep 15 1993 01:389
    
    
     Oh dear, gubbed 3-0 by Falkirk.
    
     There goes Scotlands best defensive record in 1 game.
    
     It was too good to last.
    
      Danny.
49.758Beaten by BairnsAYOV11::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthWed Sep 15 1993 05:2859
    
    Brechin City 0 - 2 Ayr United     Att 508
    
    Ayr best performance of the season so far against the worst opposition.
    Lining up as follows ; Duncan,Robertson,Beattie,Howard,Traynor,George,
    Mair,McGlashan,McGivern,Burns,Scott Subs Burley,Walker,Spence, Ayr took
    the game to city from the word go and were unfortunate not to score 3
    or 4 more. McGlashan was his usual self, buzzing around the penalty box
    and looking for chances to dive etc. and it was no surprise when he
    opened the scoring in 37 minutes when a Burns corner was met at the
    back post by McGivern who nodded down for 'Dibble' to score on his
    debut from about 4 yards. City rallied after the break and had a 10
    minute spell of pressure before Ayr settled back into their rhythm and
    asserted themselves on the game. They should have had a penalty when 
    McGlashan was fouled while in the act of shooting but the ref waved
    play on. Barry Scott had his jersey pulled in the area a few minutes
    later and the ref, 10 yards away, waved play on again, strange to say
    the least. Burns was booked for telling the ref what a blind useless
    piece of flesh he was. Ayr finally got the killer goal in 77 minutes
    when a repeat performance involving a Traynor knockdown from a Burns
    corner saw Nigel Howard poke the ball home from 2 yards for his first
    ever goal for the team. A good performance and a happy 150 mile trip
    home.
    
    
    Ayr United 0 - 3 Falkirk      Att 2600
    
    Ayr worst performance of the season against the best opposition etc etc
    Ayr's dismal home form continued with a flatteringly low 3-0 reverse
    last night. Ayr were missing Sam McGivern from Saturday's lineup
    through a mysterious injury and Beattie was dropped allowing Burley to
    return to the right back with Robbo moving to left back and Walker
    coming in up front. Falkirk served notice of thir intentions early on
    when Drinkell was foiled by an excellent double save by Duncan in the
    first minute. The goal was not long in coming however when a free-kick
    was floated into the box and McLaughlin flicked it over the advancing
    keeper in 7 minutes. Duffy had the ball in the net again from a similar
    move minutes later but the linesman spotted some infringement which
    ruled it out. Cadette scored in 19 minutes when Howard allowed a
    through ball to pass him and left the Falkirk striker with the easiest
    of chances. Ayr were really under the rack now and some furious
    defending was required to keep the score to 2-0 at half-time. 
    Ayr restarted with McQuilter on for George and Mair at left back with
    Traynor moving into midfield and Burley sweeping behind the defence.
    This formation held out until the 70th minute when McCall did what he
    is best at and dived in the area after a non-existant tackle from Mair
    and a penalty was awarded which Eddie May duly converted. Time was
    played out and the teams left the park to a mixture of boos,jeers and
    cheers. Np prizes for working out what came from who.
    
    It was obvious from the very start of the game that Ayr did not have
    the strike force to warrant a high ball being played into the box but
    they persisted with it for 90 minutes without a single chance being
    created. Burley appears to be set on playing this way so why sell both
    our big strikers and sign dwarves ? The man is rapidly losing
    popularity at Somerset and MUST sign a quality midfielder and a tall
    striker or this is going to be one long season for him.
    
    Kev...
49.759BUSSTP::DREESWed Sep 15 1993 14:4213
    
    That's 2 games I've been to...both have ended in defeat and I've
    yet to see Ayr score. Falkirk could have scored at will had they not
    taken the foot of the gas after about 20 mins. The game was all over
    midway thru' the first half!
    
    IMO Burley has had his chance. The team is no better now than it was
    2 years ago. I know money is tight and he's limited to the number
    of quality players he can sign but the players we already have should
    be able to put up a better, more spirited peformance than they did last
    night. 
    
    Del.
49.760Downhill all the wayYELBUS::DSMITHGazza's my hero...NOT!!!!!Wed Sep 15 1993 22:1917
    
    
     Kev, having read a few match reports both here and in newspapers,
    it seems to me that Burley is trying to convert Mair from a winger/
    midfielder to a full-back. Why? The guy was crap whenever I saw him
    play last season, why don't Ayr just punt him?
    
     Lack of money, lack of support(me included), lack of interest at
    Somerset is pretty low just now. I reckon it's just a matter of time
    before Burley is horsed and the club returns to part-time football 
    and many more seasons spent among the dross in the lower leagues of
    Scottish football. And to think, Ayr turned down David Murray because
    they were "going places" and didn't need his cash investment. I wonder
    what the muppets are thinking now. Maybe their ensconsed in the funny
    farm at the bottom of the Ailsa Brae.
    
      Danny.
49.761Help - footballers wanted !AYOV11::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthThu Sep 16 1993 05:0785
    Mair has been used as a left back only in emergencies. At Paisley ,it
    was due to McQuilter being sent off and he was the only naturally left
    footed player left apart from Barry Scott, on Tuesday night it was
    because we were being shafted in all departments of the defence and we
    pulled Robbo over to right back with Burley sweeping. Incidentally, it
    was Mair's lack of defensive knowledge which cost a penalty when he was
    slow to tackle McCall who exploited the minimal contact which was made.
    
    I can only see Ayr as a Second Division side after this season, they do
    not have the resources to stay in the First and with 5 teams going down
    we may be one league below Stranraer for the first time in our history.
    We had to hope that a few of the other mediocre clubs became detached
    at an early stage of this season and that we had a reasonable start but
    if you check the table, it's St Mirren,Dunfermline,Hamilton and Morton
    who had the bad starts and I would expect all of them to finish above
    Ayr come May 94. We have had a much better start than last season, 4
    wins from 7 games against 1 win from 8 games last year but we are
    struggling most weeks to field a team and it has got so bad that I read
    in the paper that Walker will not be allowed to leave for Stranraer
    until cover is in place. What is going on ? Is there some Souness-like
    training taking place ?  Already we have Kennedy,Shotton,Bryce,Hood
    Agnew,George injured and other players have missed games. We only have
    4 ever-present players this season in 7 games. When we won promotion in
    87-88 we had 5 ever-present all season. What is going on ??
    Of the players we have I would punt several;
    
    Cammy Duncan - I have seen him more than anyone and he just doesn't
    fill me with confidence. Good for reflex saves, poor at crosses.
    We could get money for him from someone who hadn't seen him, ever.
    
    George Burley - causes untold confusion with his performances, wants to
    take all corners, free-kicks,throw-ins and gets caught out of position
    too often. A brilliant player in his day, but that was many days ago.
    
    Ronnie McQuilter - What did we sign him for ? He is clueless and a big
    hoofer who punts it where his looking. Blatant fouls are his speciality
    	
    Jimmy Carse - A dwarf who gets blown about in strong winds. Good
    reserve player but will never make it in the first team.
    
    Nigel Howard - Anyone who saw the game against Falkirk will know why
    he's on the list. Unconvincing , unsure , needs Shotton around him.
    
    Duncan George - a less creative midfielder I couldn't name. Crunching
    tackler but needs to learn to put his foot on the ball and LOOK for 
    a teammate once in a while.
    
    Tommy Walker - This guy is beyond words,the most vastly over-rated
    player ever to don the black and white.
    
    Stevie Bryce - workrate is shocking, slow, poor control, scores the odd
    goal to retain place in line-up.
    
    Gordon Mair - or 'Nightmair' , 'Casper' and other such names. At 35 he
    is past it. Another who was good in his day.  Has the odd good game but
    really is just a squad man now.
    
    Jim Beattie - I expected better of an U-21 cap. VERY one-footed and not
    good under pressure. Being subbed at Brechin says it all.
    
    Garry Agnew - will never be the player he was, if he ever gets fit. A
    sad situation but we must plan without him
    
    Already we have used 19 players and are still no nearer a settled team.
    (We have used 25 players if you count friendlies)
    
    Of the current squad I would keep;
    
    Robertson , Traynor , Shotton , Hood , Kennedy , McGivern , McGlashan
    Burns , Scott , Spence and the YT boys Sweeney,Fulton,Clarke and
    McClory.
    
    Ayr are so naive it is unbeleivable, we sell 2 big strikers and get 2
    wee strikers in swap returns, however we play the same type of game. 
    Cammy punts it up the park, Sammy and Stevie get beaten in the air and
    the opposition have the ball. Start again. How many times do you see
    Duncan throwing the ball out to someone ? NIL ! How many goals did Ayr
    score from Watson throwouts to Templeton and Cowell etc ? 20 ? 40 ?
    There is no natural skill (except for Scott and he's a bit raw yet)
    
    We should spend some cash and get a midfielder who can pass to his own
    team and a striker who is tall enough to bump his head on the crossbar.
    
    Kev.... 
    
49.7622 points at Hamilton if Sammy plays !!KIRKTN::GMCDONALDtheyre on the park at PalmerstonFri Sep 17 1993 00:2139
    
    
    Kev,          Okay,the Falkirk game was one to forget,infact it was
    very like the 3-0 ,game against Killie at Somerset when we fell apart
    2 or 3 years ago. But don't you think you are letting the heart rule
    the head.Yes we did get spanked for very careless marking,yes Falkirk
    looked on a diferant planet fron us and yes once again the bosses
    tactics looked a bit poor..
                  However they have some 26 pros to choose from while we
    have around 11,we also had key players missing ie,Hood,Bryce,McGivern
    and most importantly Shotton .I feel if he had been playing the defence 
    would have been much more organised and would not have lost the all
    important first goal which shook us to the core .Yehh we might have
    still lost the game but at least the Bairns would have known they were
    in a game.
                  Ayr quite clearly will not win the league that will be
    down to the Bairns and the Diamonds however I really don't think we
    will go down,the partnership of McGivern and McGlashen will I think be 
    too good for the Stirlings and the Brechins of the league .If you were
    to continue your who's who of donkeys these teams could throw dozens of
    names into the hat .
                  I do agree with you on one thing however,money will need
    to be spent on the pool in the near future,preferably in the midfield 
    area where we lack pace and ideas .I hear we were after Millar of
    Hearts who has a reputation of a "hard player" and weighs in at around
    12st 7lbs .Unfortunatlly he is on around 900 pounds a week plus a house
    in Edinburgh so he gave us a massive knock back,can we blame him. I 
    would imagine that Burley will now go after a similar style player from
    a smaller team, maybe Motherwell for a change .
                 Your other point about the injuries:Hood picked up his
    while on Scotland duty in France,McGivern was missing due to "personal
    reasons" and may miss the Hamilton game,Shotton is around 37 years old
    he will take longer to recover than he used to .The rest,,well I do
    agree I cant remember Ayr ever having so many out .
    
               Walker signed for Ayr in July 87 and has done nothing since!
    
    
    
49.7638*) KIRKTN::JJACKFri Sep 17 1993 06:1711
    << Unfortunately, he is on around 900 pounds a week plus a house
       in Edinburgh so he gave us a massive knock back,can we blame him. I 
       would imagine that Burley will now go after a similar style player from
       a smaller team, maybe Motherwell for a change >>
                             ^^^^^^^^^^
    
     But Sal, surely Motherwell are a bigger club than Hearts ?
     They're top of the league & have won a trophy this decade, whilst the
     Gorgie boys haven't done anything for years. They've even got a 
     better stadium than Hearts ! 
    
49.764Big fash will git you...KIRKTN::CPATRICKCan I sweep the floor,this weekFri Sep 17 1993 06:567
    RE-1....
    
     :-)
    
     I'm no taking the bait 
    
     SQF Jambo #1
49.765lost 5 in 2 games !!!!PAKORA::GMCDONALDtheyre on the park at PalmerstonSat Sep 18 1993 23:388
    
    
         Hamilton Accies  2   Ayr United  1
                               McGivern
    
                      
    
    SQFHM..
49.766from one bad team to anotherBUSSTP::DREESTue Sep 21 1993 21:567
    
    In one of todays dailys there's a paragraph stating that Burley
    is close to securing the signing of John Millar from Hearts.
    
    I'll believe it when he's in the black and white!
    
    Del.
49.767the SUN'S a week lateAYOV17::FHEWITSONAYR AYR SUPER AYRTue Sep 21 1993 22:2213
    re 766
    
    del,
    
    please read no .756
    
    
    i heard that GB was trying to sign him,but seemingly he's on 400pds per
    wk in the JAMBO'S reserves,so he decided to stay put at TYNECASTLE
    
    
    
    FIn.............
49.768BUSSTP::DREESTue Sep 21 1993 23:387
    
    Read your note ok.....
    
    the way the story read in todays paper, it looks as if Burley is still 
    trying. Time will tell. 
    
    Del. 
49.769John Millar ? I doubt it , but.....AYOV11::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthWed Sep 22 1993 01:2422
    It doesn't matter who we sign, he'll get dragged down to the same level
    as the rest of them within a short space of time. On Saturday at
    Hamilton there was only one man trying and worthy of a jersey and that
    was McGivern. The rest were atrocious and if they all showed the
    commitment and effort that Sammy does we would have a realistic chance
    of staying in Division 1 for next season. 
    
    Sal, I think it is more you letting the heart rule the head than me. I
    have seen Ayr in EVERY game this season and what I see does not impress
    me. I don't ask for every player to ooze skill and class , but I would
    like them to TRY ! As for Burley, his tactics are terrible. 10 minutes
    to go on Saturday, we're 2-1 down and he brings on Mair to play at
    left-back, IN A 5 MAN DEFENCE ! Burns couldn't find his backside with
    both hands let alone an Ayr shirt with a pass. He got all the plaudits
    for "setting up" the goal, but it was ANOTHER miss-hit cross into the
    box, not intended for McGivern , which Sammy eventually scored with.
    There is little or no enjoyment in watching Burley's style of football
    and if we were not comparing him to a manager like McLeod, we would be
    shouting for his head by now. Ayr are not good enough for next year's 
    First Division and that's OBVIOUS.
    
    Kev...
49.770Roll the dice !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!KIRKTN::GMCDONALDTheyre on the park at PalmerstonWed Sep 22 1993 02:1727
    Kev,
       While I agree that you have seen more Utd games in recent seasons
    than most I disagree with your opinion of impending doom.There are 5
    clubs who will face the drop at the end of the season and at this early
    stage in the season I can name 4 of them,Brechin,Dumbarton,Clyde and
    Stirling ..The 5th slot is any ones guess,but in my opinion the rest
    are just as poor as us with the exception of Airdrie and Falikirk.
       I do agree the managers tactics have been a little on the dozy side
    at times in the last season or so particularly when he stood back and 
    watched all those players going to Ireland for nowt.They all could have
    done a job for us .
       However EVERONE get injury problems, at the moment we have serious
    injury problems,as I have stressed before,out are Hood (U21's) Shotton
    (club captain) and Stevie Bryce .All important players,we are still in
    the hunt for a replacement for McNab,McGivern has missed games and we
    have just signed McGlashan.So all in all we have been as weak as we
    will ever be .In this space of time we have gained 8 points from a
    possible 16 and are sitting 6th in the table .Not so bad really
    considering.
       Later in the season the teams I have mentioned above will experiance
    these same problems as we have .Time will tell how they deal with them.
    
    P.s  Kev I am just as disapointed in the direction our club is moving
    in as you are,we both know that only massive investment will bring what 
    we want,we both also know that will not happen .So here we are stuck in
    the middle between being a good part time club or a poor fulltime club.
    What would you recomend ? Sack Burley and what ????????????????????
49.771Millar does as expectedAYOV16::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthThu Sep 23 1993 19:5624
    According to yesterday's Post, Hood came through a reserve game at
    Lesser Hampden on Monday night and could be OK for Saturday, Shotton
    should play as well and Bryce may be fit for Tuesday's home game
    against the bottom dwellers from Greenock.
    
    On the signing front, John Millar has given us a massive knock back so
    we are concentrating our efforts on signing...
    
    wait for it....
    
    the one and only...
    
    Vinnie Moore.
    
    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA !  Excuse me while my sides split
    with hilarity. Another 29 year-old who can't even get a game with
    Stirling Albion. Burley's trying to outdo the Beirut Boys as "Dad's
    Army of Ayrshire"  Speaking of Beirut, the Ayrshire Cup Final is on
    October the 12th at Rugby_Tackle Park.
    
    oh and the Moore signing is not definite as East Fife are also in
    contention to sign him.
    
    Kev....
49.772Allez les hoopsVERVAN::GORDONLudere Causa LudendiThu Sep 23 1993 21:118
    Kevin,
    
    You didn't mention that Queen's Park won that particular reserve game
    on Monday night!  
    
    David.
    
    :-))
49.773We'll bowl you over at Somerset...AYOV16::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthThu Sep 23 1993 22:2710
    re last
    
    Sorry David, 
    		The spiders did indeed win the match by 1 goal to nil, a
    bowler-hatted chappy by the name of Ferguson notching the all-important
    score. From what I can gather, it was an Ayr side made up of Spence,
    Hood and about 9 trialists and youngsters.
    
    
    Kev...
49.774Shotton returns !!!!!!KIRKTN::GMCDONALDTheyre on the park at PalmerstonFri Sep 24 1993 17:2610
    
    
    Re 771.    What a great signing Vinnie would be (NOT).Tell me we aren't
    offering cash for this chump !!!!!!!
    
                                  SQFHM..
    
    p.s Anyone know how much we offered Hearts for Millar ?
    
    
49.775And Del called him Dobin!!!!!!KIRKTN::GMCDONALDTheyre on the park at PalmerstonFri Sep 24 1993 19:598
    
    
      Rumour has it that Raith's Jimmy Nichol has just paid Motherwell 
    120K for ex Ayr striker Ally Graham .Considering that Motherwell only
    paid us around 50K for him in Feb.it looks as if wee Tommy McLean has
    stuffed us again !!!!
     
                       SQFHM..
49.776Agnew forced to quit!!YELBUS::DSMITHGazza's my hero...NOT!!!!!Tue Sep 28 1993 22:0214
    
    
    
      Bad news time, Gary Agnew has been forced to quit football following
     2 operations for a pelvic injury.
    
      Agnew was Burley's best signing and a player who was being watched
     by several bigger clubs prior to his injury last season. A free
     transfer from the Beruit Boys a couple of seasons ago, he became a
     fans favourite with his long range free kicks and shooting. His best
     moment was his goal against the Baghdad Boys at Rugby Park during the
     new-year game in 1992.
    
        Danny.
49.777BUSSTP::DREESWed Sep 29 1993 14:3839
    
    I know I keep saying I won't be back but I was persuaded to go last
    night. After seeing my first United goal of the season, courtesy of
    Vinnie Moore in the 6th minute, I thought I might see a reasonable
    performance......wrong!
    
    At the back we we're shocking. Mair and McQuilter will simply not do.
    Traynor looked unfit and Shotton had a terrible game even by his poor
    standards. Duncan was again clueless at cross balls and cost us the 2nd
    goal. Robertson was the only one at the back to gain pass marks with
    another solid performance.
    
    In the middle of the park we're lost. Burns never put a tackle in
    and never found a Black and White jersey with a pass. Although Moore
    scored and did show some nice touches he is overweight and far from
    fit. He was nackered after 20 mins. I've yet to decide we're Barry
    Scott was playing, subbed at half-time says it all.
    
    The boys up front must be totally pissed off. McGivern,McGlashan and
    Bryce(when he came on) all have the ability to score goals but they
    ain't getting the service. 
    
    Last night's overall display was about the worst I've seen. We should
    never have scraped a draw, Morton's poor finishing cost them. Burley
    has to take the blame. I know he has no cash but most of the players
    playing last night we're brought to the club by him. His tactics
    are terrible. How can you punt the ball to a forward line that averages
    5ft 4! I don't think the ball was played on the deck, thru' the middle
    of the park, once last night. 
    
    2 years on from McLeod and the team is no better, maybe worse. The two
    elements needed to get out of the 1st Div are a little ability and a
    lot of dig......we have none of either. 
    
    Relegation is a big possibility.  
    
    Del.                            
    
      
49.778OWN GOAL?AYOV17::GLEROYWed Sep 29 1993 14:526
    Del,
    
    I heard that Ayr's second was a peach of an own goal.  How did you see
    it?
    
    Gavin
49.779BUSSTP::DREESWed Sep 29 1993 15:508
    
    Best og I've seen in a long time.
    
    Bryce went on a wee mazzzzy, cut inside the defender, and hit a low shot
    which Wylie had covered. Doak decided to try and clear it, only for it
    to spin off the top of his foot leaving the keeper stranded.   Shame!
    
    Del.
49.780Burley should pack it in NOW !AYOV11::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthWed Sep 29 1993 16:3849
    I can only echo what Delboy has already entered. We were shocking. I
    cant understand why we have only lost 11 goals in 10 games as we have a
    really crap defence at the moment. Garry Agnew has had to pack in so
    now we have no recognised left-back. Gordon Mair has played there
    recently but is not up to the task. Shotton was a shadow of himself
    last night and did not look fit. He was booked again last night for
    pulling a jersey and was perhaps lucky not to take a walk. McQuilter is
    clueless. Traynor couldn't jump and only Robertson had a game worth
    mentioning. I have saved the worst to last however, Cammy Duncan ,
    Barry Scott and Hugh Burns. 3 players who should be utterly ashamed of
    their performances last night. Cammy was suspect at *every* cross ball
    and cost both goals. The first a corner which came over head high and
    he allowed it to pass over his head where Scott could do no better than
    divert it into the goal at the back post. The second was a cross which
    beat him across his front from 3 yards. A real goalkeeper should
    command his area, not sit back like a wee nancy and make the odd reflex
    save. He did make two excellent stops, the first from a header by
    McEwan , the second was a minute after they went 2-1 up when he was
    faced by no less than 3 Morton forwards only to smother the first shot,
    but these were outweighed by the juvenile errors he made during the
    rest of the game. Spence should play on Saturday, just to let Cammy
    know he isn't indispensible. Scott was neither in midfield or attack,
    he never won a tackle and never threatened the Morton goal, what did he
    do ? Nowt. Burns , ah now I should be careful here as I could start a
    riot in already war-torn Beirut or worse still get my note hidden but I
    will say that it has crossed my mind that he is some sort of sick joke
    played on us by Kilmarnock. To kick the ball out the park, inside the
    Morton penalty area, while unchallenged, and with time to spare was
    unforgiveable. I don't care how 'upset' he looked when he did it , it
    was still terrible. He contributed nothing to the game , an empty
    jersey. 
    
    Vinnie Moore did show a little sparkle early on but faded/lost interest
    when he realised the game plan was "hoof it up the park and chase it".
    He took his goal very well. Made a few good passes. When he is fit he
    will get better, but 12K may be a bit much (Stirling wanted 20K !!)
    
    McGlashan and McGivern never gave up trying but service was next to
    non-existant. Bryce fought hard for the face-saving goal and he and
    Sammy looked quite desperate when they were appealing for the fans to
    get behind the team. There are too many empty headed woodentops among
    the home support. In the last two weeks I've heard unbeleivable
    critcism of Dibble and Sammy from people who could barely tell you the
    names of the players let alone the road to any away ground.
    
    It's time for change. Let's start with Burley,Duncan,Burns and anyone
    else who will not put in enough effort.
    
    Kev...
49.7813 defeats...12 goals conceeded!BUSSTP::DREESWed Sep 29 1993 16:507
    
    Chaps...I've just had a look at the fixture list. The next 3 games
    are Airdrie (a), Clydebank (h) and Falkirk (a). 
    
    Look for the goals against column to take a bit of a pounding.
    
    Del.
49.782Railway enders greetin again!!!!PAKORA::GMCDONALDTheyre on the park at PalmerstonFri Oct 01 1993 02:5634
    Del/Kev,
    
           Lads,lads,lads please pull up your cot sides and dry your eyes,
    these messages of doom and gloom are out of order .Okay I wasn't at our
    last 2 home games against the Pars and the Ton but we came through the 
    games and got two points and moved up the table to 5th place !! This is
    not so bad !!! This season is all about where you finish noy how you
    play.
    
          I would like to pick you up on a few of your points,in the last
    couple of notes I have noticed that Shotton and Duncan have been
    getting some stick .Lets never forget that these two and Robo over the 
    last season have turned our defence into one of the best in our league.
    Without this trio we would have went down last year,end of story.You
    replace these 3 with the clowns that McLeod sent out to loose by 5or 6
    goals at places like Kilbowie,Broomfield and Firhill and we would sink
    like a brick.
    
         Burley's job with this club is damage limitation,he was brought to
    a club broken and on its knee's and has partially turned it round he
    has built a team for the grand amount of 80K while our cousins from
    Gotham have spent over 675K building their current squad .His team can
    be classed as an average 1st div team .In the market he has spent 80K
    and brought in 60K for a player you all hated and a futher 150K for a
    18 year old who played 9 games and never even picked up a wage from our 
    club.Not bad,,,I would think .
    
        To sum up,I think Burley is still a novice in managerial matters
    but he will improve as time goes by .If he is given some money to spend
    and fails then I will put my hands up and agree its time to change 
    direction. Until then behave !!!!!
    
    BTW ...Do any of you have any replacements in mind ????
                                                                          
49.783Part timers telling ME to behave ? Get realAYOV16::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthFri Oct 01 1993 10:4882
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>>    Del/Kev,
    
>>           Lads,lads,lads please pull up your cot sides and dry your eyes,
>>    these messages of doom and gloom are out of order .Okay I wasn't at our
>>    last 2 home games against the Pars and the Ton but we came through the 
>>    games and got two points and moved up the table to 5th place !! This is
>>    not so bad !!! This season is all about where you finish noy how you
>>    play.
  
    Sal, If you had been at these games you would still be wondering HOW we
    escaped with a point in each. Burley has gone on record here stating
    that the point on Saturday was WON, not a point dropped. After
    Tuesday's match he said that some of the defending was 'Juvenile' and
    that Ayr had a 'very shaky defence' at the moment. 5th place is not
    realistic. Our recent form is terrible, 2 draws and 2 defeats, only one
    of these teams was above Ayr in the league.
      
>>          I would like to pick you up on a few of your points,in the last
>>    couple of notes I have noticed that Shotton and Duncan have been
>>    getting some stick .Lets never forget that these two and Robo over the 
>>    last season have turned our defence into one of the best in our league.
>>    Without this trio we would have went down last year,end of story.You
>>    replace these 3 with the clowns that McLeod sent out to loose by 5or 6
>>    goals at places like Kilbowie,Broomfield and Firhill and we would sink
>>    like a brick.
  
    This is precisely the mentality which Ally McLeod suffered from. If a
    player ever had a good game for the team, play him forever, no matter
    how bad his current form is. This is nonsense ! I did not criticise
    Robertson, he gives 100% and his errors are not down to lack of effort
    or knowledge. Shotton is not fit and I said that. Duncan is a different
    story - what does a player have to do before YOU drop him. I reckon I
    could have stopped the first goal on Tuesday and for long periods the
    net led an *extremely* charmed life. I would play Spence for a couple
    of games as Cammy's confidence is suffering. He looked totally out of
    his depth against an average Morton side.
       
>>         Burley's job with this club is damage limitation,he was brought to
>>    a club broken and on its knee's and has partially turned it round he
>>    has built a team for the grand amount of 80K while our cousins from
>>    Gotham have spent over 675K building their current squad .His team can
>>    be classed as an average 1st div team .In the market he has spent 80K
>>    and brought in 60K for a player you all hated and a futher 150K for a
>>    18 year old who played 9 games and never even picked up a wage from our 
>>    club.Not bad,,,I would think .
  
    Yes and as well as the above, he sold 2 big strikers and bought 3
    dwarves, but continues to play the high ball game. He spouts of in the
    press about 'midfield passing game','entertaining football' and the
    like and none of it has materialised. The midfield might as well not be
    there as the only time they see the ball is as flies over their heads
    in one or other direction.
      
>>        To sum up,I think Burley is still a novice in managerial matters
>>    but he will improve as time goes by .If he is given some money to spend
>>    and fails then I will put my hands up and agree its time to change 
>>    direction. Until then behave !!!!!
    
    Novice ? You said it. He won't get money, he had to fight the board
    over the Vinnie Moore transfer as they did not want to give him 12K
        
>>    BTW ...Do any of you have any replacements in mind ????
                                                                          
    Haven't seriously thought about that as I do not think Burley will
    leave or be sacked.
    
    Myself and Fin are probably better qualified than anyone to comment on
    individual and team performances as we have gone to all/most matches.
    I could take your opinions if you had witnessed the performances I am
    talking about but you haven't. In fact the only game you appear to have
    been at is 0-3 against the bairns, but that should have told you
    something about the state of the defence/midfield. It's time for
    certain players to stand up and be counted, give 100% effort and feel
    justified in picking up a pay cheque. If they lose when playing good
    football, then I'll at least see some improvement.
    
    Kev...
49.784ONLY ONE G BURLEYMASALA::CREILLYCHARLIEFri Oct 01 1993 14:0011
    
    
    Well said Kev.
    
    
    
    
    Charlie.(SQFKFC)
    
    
    
49.785BUSSTP::DREESFri Oct 01 1993 14:2422
    
    Sal,
    
       I'm sorry but I have to agree with everything Kev has said.
     
       I've only seen the team on 3 occasions but in that 270 minutes
       I have yet to see anything that gives me hope for the rest of the
       season. There is no skill, no dig , no entertainment and the tactics
       are naive at best. What does that leave you? I get the impression 
       that the players don't respect Burley. It's the only reason I can 
       come up with to justify the shocking performances I've seen.
    
       I'll be very surprised if we take anything out of the next 3 games.
       Come the middle of October we will not be sitting in the top half of
       the league. After this weeks mid week games have we not dropped to
       6th place anyway and if you look closely Dunfermline and St Mirren
       are now within touching distance. They'll be above us come November.
    
       At a fiver a pop to see that sh*te, I reckon I'm justified to have
       a good greeeeeet.
    
       Del.
49.786Its not over yet !!!!!!!PAKORA::GMCDONALDTheyre on the park at PalmerstonFri Oct 01 1993 22:5249
    
    Re last few,
             I think that I may have opened a worm can packed with emotion 
    when I took on the task of dareing to state my opinion .So I would like 
    to have the floor for a minuite to clear my part time supporting name !
    
             Firstly the main point of my arguement was in referance to
    Del's claim that we are infact in worse shape now than when Ally run
    the show !!! Now from someone that has watched and played as much
    football as Derek Rees I find that unbelievable .I won't waste half my
    disk space typeing the case for Burley since '91 and against Ally for
    the 3 years prior,I will put it down to a rush of blood to the head
    from a supporter let down again .
    
            Now onto Cammy Duncan,not the greatest crossball goalie,I admit 
    that but he is a great shot stopper and has saved us numerous points
    last season and will do the this term as well .If he was a dominant
    keeper in the box he would be with another club .Infact if George could
    pass,if Shotton was 29,if Sammy could take the ball past a man,if
    Traynor had more pace they would all be with other clubs because other 
    clubs pay more infact all clubs pay more ...Getting the picture.
    
           I agree that the last 4 weeks have been poor for us,but the
    current league table is calculated on all games so far and in that
    respect we are 5th,which means our results so far are 5th best in the
    league ...
    
          Now,onto the wee dig at my lack of attendance at games and the
    theory that "I watch them,you don't,so I know best".Naw I've changed my
    mind,I don't really want to go down this road ,sorry.
    
         Lads,the truth is I don't take it as seriously as I used to,so the 
    pain is a lot less when things are not going well.
         I could make long lists of what Burley has to work with and what
    say Jimmy Bone,Alec McDonald or Jim Jeffries has but I think I would be
    wasteing my time .
     
        Football is like everything else in life,know your limitations and 
    you'll seldom be disapointed .
    
        To sum up Burley is the best manager we have had since Ally's
    second spell and that was only for three months.At the moment he is
    going through a rough spell and from what I hear he is having some
    trouble with some of his players and THEY are going on to the park
    and letting us down ......
    
    
    
         SQFHM.. 
49.787Well said GrahamYELBUS::DSMITHGazza's my hero...NOT!!!!!Fri Oct 01 1993 23:0921
    
    
     Sal, how you doing??
    
     You've certainly upset a few folk in this note. Personally, I can't
    really comment as the last game I was at was the 'Gers cup game in
    February. By all accounts, Ayr are pretty dire just now. Ok, Burley's
    hands are tied, what with the lack of cash etc but the team he is
    playing at the moment is full of players he signed so he must take
    some of the flak thats going around. As for players not respecting
    him or giving him a hard time, they should realise that he's achieved
    more in the game than any of them have or ever will.
    
     I can't think of when I'll be back at Somerset as my budding golf
    career takes up most Saturdays now!!!
    
     Danny.
    
    ps The full time supporters are the mugs who are throwing their cash
       away watching that rubbish!! Big game supporter, that's me!!
    
49.7884th top on points ;-))))))))))))KIRKTN::GMCDONALDTheyre on the park at PalmerstonSat Oct 02 1993 23:0325
    
           Airdrie   1    Ayr United   1
                            McGlashan
    
      According to the radio this was a drab game and a draw was about the 
    right result.Ayr's goal came from a HUGH BURNS corner which went to the 
    back post where MALKY SHOTTON headed it back across goal and little
    COLIN McGLASHAN stuck it away to put Utd 1-0 ahead .However as is the 
    norm with Ayr we failed to hold this lead and Airdrie scored what was
    to be the equalizer 4 mins later .
      Still this was a good point away from home at a very tough ground for 
    Ayr . I think we lost 6-0 on one of our last visits there .So George 
    Burley and a section of the the fans will be quite pleased as not a lot
    of teams will take anything at Airdrie this season .
     Look forward to Kev's usual match coverage on Monday ..
    
    Dan,
      How's it going ? All this banter IS in the best possible taste, whats
    it all about if we can't agree to disagree sometimes 8*))))..
                     Pld  F  A  W  D  L  Pts
         Ayr Utd      11  11 12 4  3  4  11
    
    
                   SQF HM ..
          
49.789BUSSTP::DREESMon Oct 04 1993 19:188
    
    Sal,
    
    by my reckoning that puts us 2pts ahead of joint 3rd bottom!
    
    I'm a touch more pessimistic. :-)
    
    Del.
49.790Agree on most points.AYOV16::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthTue Oct 05 1993 16:2365
re .786

>>Note 49.786                       Ayr United FC                       786 of 789
>>PAKORA::GMCDONALD "Theyre on the park at Palmerston" 49 lines   1-OCT-1993 19:52
>>                         -< Its not over yet !!!!!!! >-
>>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    
>>            Now onto Cammy Duncan,not the greatest crossball goalie,I admit 
>>    that but he is a great shot stopper and has saved us numerous points
>>    last season and will do the this term as well .If he was a dominant
>>    keeper in the box he would be with another club .Infact if George could
>>    pass,if Shotton was 29,if Sammy could take the ball past a man,if
>>    Traynor had more pace they would all be with other clubs because other 
>>    clubs pay more infact all clubs pay more ...Getting the picture.

All I ask is that players TRY. You're mistaking class,skill and ability for 
effort. I agree if these players were better footballers they would be with
better clubs, that's a fact, but take Kilmarnock for instance, they do not
have any worldbeaters in their ranks, yet they give (by all reports) 100%
every game. If any or every Ayr player showed this effort I would be happy.


>>           I agree that the last 4 weeks have been poor for us,but the
>>    current league table is calculated on all games so far and in that
>>    respect we are 5th,which means our results so far are 5th best in the
>>    league ...

This is true, but by Christmas it may be a different story, (I hope not)
    
>>          Now,onto the wee dig at my lack of attendance at games and the
>>    theory that "I watch them,you don't,so I know best".Naw I've changed my
>>    mind,I don't really want to go down this road ,sorry.

Why not ?  Do you comment on a film or TV prog that you haven't seen ? Do you
review a book you haven't read ? Do you criticise a restaurant you haven't
eaten in ?  Get the picture ?  You haven't been at the games RECENTLY so you
cannot comment on RECENT performances, correct or not ? I would rephrase your
sentence to be "I watched them recently, you haven't, so I know more about
those performances than you"
    
>>         Lads,the truth is I don't take it as seriously as I used to,so the 
>>    pain is a lot less when things are not going well.
>>         I could make long lists of what Burley has to work with and what
>>    say Jimmy Bone,Alec McDonald or Jim Jeffries has but I think I would be
>>    wasteing my time .

Sad but true.
     
>>        Football is like everything else in life,know your limitations and 
>>    you'll seldom be disapointed .

see above.
    
>>        To sum up Burley is the best manager we have had since Ally's
>>    second spell and that was only for three months.At the moment he is
>>    going through a rough spell and from what I hear he is having some
>>    trouble with some of his players and THEY are going on to the park
>>    and letting us down ......
    
I agree. I asked for players to stand up and be counted and feel justified
at picking up a pay cheque and most of them did for most of the game on 
Saturday.

Kev...
  
49.791BUSSTP::DREESWed Oct 06 1993 00:506
    
    B&Q result
    
    Ayr Utd  3  East Fife 1
    
    Del.
49.792KIRKTN::GMCDONALDTheyre on the park at PalmerstonWed Oct 06 1993 01:243
    
    
    Del,     Ayr scorer's were McGlashan,Burns and Bryce .
49.793PAKORA::AMCARTHURandrew 789 8225Wed Oct 06 1993 11:161
    Fifes scorer was Gilbert Allan....
49.7942 games no defeatsAYOV11::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthWed Oct 06 1993 12:2469
	Airdrie 1 - 1 Ayr United

A hard fought point which was just reward for the efforts of the Ayr players
on Saturday. With a few changes in the line up ie Scott on the bench and 
Bryce playing from the start and Hoody also a sub, it was Ayr who started 
better with McGivern challenging bravely in the penalty area inside 45 secs
only to require treatment. Ayr continued to press from midfield with Moore,
Robertson and Burns providing the passes to the front 3, but it was Airdrie 
who almost broke the deadlock when a Ferguson header struck the bar and bounced
clear. Ayr survived this let off and finished the half on top with Vinnie Moore
going close with a couple of headers.

Second half was a bit more lively and Ayr pushed Airdrie all the way, forcing
them back for long periods of time. From one corner, Traynor rose at the back
post to meet it and bulleted a header towards goal which Martin parried and 
then cleared at the second attempt off his own bar. From the next corner
Traynor met it again and this time it struck an Airdrie arm in the box and went
out for a corner. The ref refused the penalty and the chance was cleared.
However Ayr were not to be denied and from a Burns corner, Shotton flicked on
at the near post for McGlashan to head home at the back post despite the 
attempts of Sandison to keep it out with his hands (he was booked). The goal
was costly though as Shotton had damaged his ankle in the landing and was 
carried off for treatment. He was off for 4-5 minutes and during this time
Airdrie equalised when Kirkwood met a Davenport cross and headed weakly at
goal, only for Duncan to parry it into the net. Shotton returned to the field
before the match restarted and for the remaining 15 minutes he was a busy man
along with Burley, Mair and the excellent Traynor. Airdrie moved up a gear
and pounded Ayr but a mixture of poor finishing, bad luck and resolute
defending meant it finished at 1 apiece. Peter Davenport later commented that
Ayr were the strongest team they had faced at Broomfield and made a good
contest of the match. He thought a draw was fair.


	Ayr United 3 - 1 East Fife

Ayr's yearly venture in the B&Q Cup is extended for another round at least
after a comfortable victory against their gallant Fife opponents. Ayr pushed
from the word go but poor finishing and some desperate defending kept the
Fife goalie from too much work until a succession of corners almost brought 
the opener when Moore headed narrowly past. In 33 minutes, the best piece
of football by an Ayr team in years brought the first goal. The debut boy
Gary Lennox won the ball with a fierce challenge deep in his own half , he
released McGivern on the right who first-timed it across the park to Bryce
who in turn knocked it into the box where McGlashan finished clinically for
a superb opener. Thats the way it stayed until 66 minutes when an Ayr corner
was cleared to Gibby Allan at halfway and he ran through a challenge to shoot
at the near post where the ball squirmed under Willie Spence for an equaliser
totally against the run of play. This sparked something of a revival in the
Fifers and for about 10 minutes they were the better team with one or two
chances to go in front. However, they seemed to tire quickly and Ayr were soon
back in front when sub Barry Scott's pass found McGlashan all alone with only
the keeper to beat. He danced round him and the ball ran in front of Hugh
Burns, who sidefooted it home from 8 yards with the Fife defence in disarray
and claiming offside. The gulf between the teams was further emphasised 5
minutes later when a tremendous through ball from Moore released Burns and
with only the keeper to beat, he cleverly hit it across the goal where Stevie
Bryce appeared to tap the ball in from a couple of yards.   

Earlier in the day, Ayr had signed Gary Lennox who had been released by
Derry City. The ex-Brechin City and Falkirk player has been signed until
the end of the season on a full-time contract and on last night's display
will be an asset in the midfield. Sammy took an ankle knock and may be 
doubtful for Saturday, Mair did not reappear after half-time after receiving
a nasty face knock and Hoody replaced him with Traynor moving to rightback
and Robbo to left back. I'm looking forward to Saturday's match against
Clydebank. It should be a cracker.

Kev...
49.7952 wins in a row ?AYOV11::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthThu Oct 07 1993 17:227
    B&Q Cup second round draw has us paired with
    
    Brechin City
    
    at home on the 19th of October. We play them at home again on the 23rd
    
    Kev.... 
49.796BUSSTP::DREESSun Oct 10 1993 14:3416
    
    After my doom and gloom of a few notes back when I thought we'd conceed
    a barrel load of goals and gain zero points from the games against
    Airdrie,Clydebank and Falkirk, the results so far ain't been too bad.
    
    A good point gained last week at Airdrie was followed yesterday by 
    another point at home to Clydebank. By all accounts it should have been 
    two and it looks as if we played our best football of the season so far. 
    Kev, get the report in, the coverage in the Sunday papers is crap as usual.
    
    What about Ross Jack.....can't make up my mind about that one...thought
    he was well past it ?
    
    Another point away at Falkirk this coming Saturday would do fine.
        
    Del.
49.797Jack's a great name 8*))))))KIRKTN::GMCDONALDTheyre on the park at PalmerstonSun Oct 10 1993 18:0820
    
    Del,
       Yes,your doom and gloom note looks to have spurred Utd into
    action,it seems that they have went and signed a midfielder in Gary
    Lennox that can both pass and tackle and by all acounts will be an 
    asset to the club when he and Vinnie have had a few games together.
    Add to this the repacement of Scott by Bryce on the left and it looks
    a lot more of a balanced side . All we now need his a quality left full
    back and we would have a fairly good squad which could give a good 
    account of themselves this season .
    
       As for Ross Jack,I think we should sign him,while he is a bit on the 
    old side he could do us a job as a pool player because the way Sammy
    plays he will take knocks and get bookings so Ross could help us when 
    McGivern is unable to play .That is of course if his form is up to it,
    we'll find that out tomorrow when Kev gets his report in .
    
      BTW do we play the Bagdad boys tomorrow night ?
                                            
      SQF HM..
49.798Bankies blitzedAYOV11::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthTue Oct 12 1993 16:1359
    
    Ayr United 1 - 1 Clydebank
    
    The table-toppers from the north will never be luckier to go home with
    a point than on Saturday. After scoring against the run of play they
    shut up shop and made the second-half a non-event from a Bankies point
    of view. The lone Bankie fan that I converse with said he was really
    pleased when the final whistle went as Ayr were all over them and
    pressing for the winner.
    
    Ayr dropped Moore to the bench as he was still suffering from the
    effects of flu and left McGivern out due to an ankle injury. This let
    Duncan George return and left a striker's place open for surprise
    trialist Ross Jack. Knocking the ball about well in the opening 20
    minutes, Ayr looked likely to score soon and several close things
    ensued before Stevie Bryce missed a golden opportunity when he screwed
    the ball past the post from an easy scoring position after a Mair free-
    kick had been blocked. Sweeney was booked for the challenge on Ross
    Jack which led to the chance. Clydebank took heart from this and for 
    a short time were looking dangerous with the diminutive Flannigan and
    the jurassic Eadie causing one or two problems with their 'tactics' of
    getting man and ball in any order. However Flannigan was 'sorted out'
    by Duncan George with a couple of heavy tackles. His last contribution
    to the game was to set up the goal. A superb through pass found Stevie
    Jack in acres of space (looking a tad offside I might add) and he
    strode forward before crashing the ball home high at the near post in
    the 44th minute.
    
    The ref was having a bit of an off day and it came as no surprise when
    he overreacted to a couple of tackles in the second half which resulted
    in McGlashan and Harvey following Sweeney into his address book. Ayr
    took the game by the scruff off the neck and , cheered on by a
    vociferous home support, they pounded the Clydebank goal. Murdoch, the
    sweeper was a busy man as he blocked several chances and generally
    calmed the young goalie down. Lennox was denied when Monaghan saved
    with his legs and a Shotton effort was cleared on the line. McGlashan
    scored , only for it to be knocked off for offside and the offending
    linesman further incensed the supporters when he refused to flag for an
    infringement when Bryce was clearly held by Crawford. The ref gave the
    foul and Hugh Burns roasted the linesman for not being brave enough to
    give the foul himself and was booked for his trouble. The goal was not
    long in coming however and when Stevie Bryce sent an inviting low cross
    into the box, Sweeney fouled Jack (surprise surprise) and the ref
    awarded the penalty which Burns tucked inside the keepers right hand
    corner of the net. For the remaining 20 minutes, Ayr continued with the
    pressure and only last ditch tackles and desperate defending kept the
    winner from going in. All in all , a good performance with the stars
    being Gordon Mair, who had his best match in an Ayr jersey by far, Hugh
    Burns , who actually tackled someone (honest) and perhaps the front 3
    who worked very hard. Had McGivern been playing, I would bet on Ayr
    having won the game as he may have put himself about better in the box.
    All the players had good matches except for the normally reliable
    Robertson whose distribution was poor.
    
    On the subject of Ross Jack....I would sign him as a squad man as
    Walker has departed for Sunny Boghead. I understand we got cash for him
    so I'd use it as a signing-on/wages for Jack. 
    
    Kev... 
49.799United we stand !!!!!PAKORA::GMCDONALDTheyre on the park at PalmerstonTue Oct 12 1993 17:1510
    Kev,
    
        I agree we should sign Ross Jack,he would do a good job for
  us as a pool player. 
    
        Do you know how much we got for Tommy ? One player I'm glad to be
    seeing the back of.Yes he was a 100% every game but he was a very poor
    finisher and couldn't play .
    
        Any thoughts on tonight's tripto Bagdad ??
49.800One Tommy Walker!!!!!AYOV25::LGRACETue Oct 12 1993 18:173
    What's this Kev and Sal actually agreeing on something.I don't believe
    it.After seeing this,there's maybe a chance Ayr could sneak a win
    tonight,or maybe I am just pushing my luck a little.
49.801BUSSTP::DREESTue Oct 12 1993 18:3611
    
    I'll be disappointed if Burley fields a full strength side tonight.
    I would hate to risk injury to anyone when you consider the size of
    pool we have. This season the league is of greater importance than
    usual and I would hope Burley won't risk losing anyone for Saturday's
    trip to Falkirk. I'm sure Tommy Burns won't field his strongest side
    after the great start to the season they've had. The Ayrshire Cup
    is of little importance this season. This game should be played at the 
    end of the season when both clubs will be in the same division ! 
    
    Del. 
49.802:-) :-) :-)YELBUS::DSMITHGazza's my hero...NOT!!!!!Tue Oct 12 1993 18:438
    
    
     That's why they should of kept hold of Tommy Walker for another
    week or two. He would at least kick the s**t out of the Baghdad
    boys and add that extra bit of dig needed in a derby match. Bring
    back Tommy and we'll burst the unbeaten run of the boys from Beruit.
    
      Danny.
49.803AYOV11::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthTue Oct 12 1993 19:3111
    Sal,
    I'm not sure how much we got for TW but let's face it, pennies would
    be a bit much. He really should have been allowed to go for nowt as he
    had been at Ayr since '87 and deserved *something* for the effort he
    gave over the years. A good finisher he wasn't, but he was a trier.
    
    Sad to say but I won't be at Beirut for the match tonight. Other
    commitments. Hope someone else is there to give a match report.
    Normal service will resume next week.
    
    Kev...
49.805UNITED WE STAND !!!!!!!KIRKTN::GMCDONALDTheyre on the park at PalmerstonWed Oct 13 1993 11:4155
    
    New Age Travellers XI   3     Ayr United   3      AET
        Brown (2)                   Burns (2)
        McCloy                      McGlashan
    
    
      Travellers won on sudden death penalties  .
    
    
       This is a game should have won by a mile, we controlled most of the
    play,had most of the ball and most of the territorial advantage but
    poor tactics and poor finishing cost us dearly .Add to that the fact
    that we gifted Killie 3 goals and you'll understand why it was a bad
    night for Ayrshire's finest .
      Killie fielded an eleven made up in the main of pool players and went
    ahead first when Shotton and Duncan went for the same ball .In the 
    confusion Brown collected the ball and chipped the ball over the two
    idiots .Ayr repied but Killie's young keeper has a great double save
    from McGlashan who spent a large amount of time on the right wing for
    no apparent reason .
      Ayr scored when the daft keeper handled a pass back,the free kick was
    passed to Burns who chipped the goalie from the edge of the box .Killie
    scored up the other end but I couldn't see much for chichen wire and
    H-beams ..So we looked finished at 2-1 but just as the crowd were about
    to leave McGlashan does what he does best and dropped in the box,big Shug
    took the penalty and made no mistake ,2-2 and extra time .To tell you
    the truth at this stage I would have rather went home.Never the less
    I took my place on the terrace (300 yds from the action) to see Utd
    take a firm grip of the match,a long ball was headed at goal by Jack I
    think,this was only parried by the keeper and McGlashan finished it .
    The tie should have been over,but enter our carthorse paced defence !
    Big Malky made a silly challenge on the edge of the box and the new
    age fellow went down like a ton of bricks.It was a soft one but I
    suppose it was tit for tat ..Anyway Brown tucked it away and it was on 
    to pens.....
    
       This is where the whole thing got out of hand both teams missed 3
    out of five,with our sinners being Lennox (saved) Moore (post) and
    Mair(missed target).The game moved to sudden death,Killie scored and it
    was all down to Utd . With Ross Jack and Barry Scott still free to take
    a kick I was feeling confident .Silly me, up strolled Robertson our
    right full back and blasted the ball right down John Finney Street.
    It was over (again).
    
    On the plus side :  Burns and Mair had good game .Lennox looks like a
    real find .
    
    On the down side : Our defence and keeper don't communicate.Our back 4
    are very slow and play very square,any ball knocked behind them is very
    effective .
    
    Still it was 300% better than my last game,it will take a fair bit of 
    time for all these new players to blend into a team,but it will come..
            
    
49.806Dross JackAYOV25::LGRACEWed Oct 13 1993 15:0113
    Re.798 and .799
    With regards to Ross Jack,there is no way after last night's
    performance can George Burley sign him.I know that you weren't at
    the game kev but I know that Sal was and surely he must agree that
    this guy is way passed his best and has nothing to offer us.Last
    night he couldn't jump he was yards too slow and several attacks 
    broke down when the ball came to him,he was a total embarrassement.
    It's okay having experience but we can't afford to carry passengers
    any more,another coming into that mould unfortunately is Shotton,he
    was found wanting several times for pace and cost us two goals I
    reckon.He should either move into Centre-half and have somebody
    behind him or else sit-it out because it is a recipe for disaster
    having him as sweeper.
49.807Super coach,is right again 8-))))))PAKORA::GMCDONALDTheyre on the park at PalmerstonWed Oct 13 1993 16:3112
    
    L,
         Yip I agree 100% about Malky,he uses tha ball very well and never
    flaps when on it but his pace isn't there anymore and he needs someone
    in there with him who is very mobile and can drop back on through
    balls.Traynor is not the player to partner him ! Maybe Hood is when he 
    is fit .
    
         Yes,I saw Jack last night and was not pleased with him at all.To
    slow,not physical enough and never really threatend to score .I would
    be reluctant to give him one of our precious full time slots .I would 
    save the cash and sign Philliben .... 
49.809You're beginning to sound like me ! 8*)) PAKORA::JJACKWed Oct 13 1993 17:3711
    
    
    
    <<This is a game should have won by a mile, we controlled most of the
      play,had most of the ball and most of the territorial advantage>>
    
    Sal....seems your team had everything bar a trophy at the end of the 
    match !
    
    8*)
    
49.810Won f**k all and never will 8*(((((KIRKTN::GMCDONALDTheyre on the park at PalmerstonWed Oct 13 1993 17:488
    
    JJ,
    
        Yehh,I guess Ayr and Celtic have a lot in common as well,tight 
    fisted greedy wee men on the board,a stadium in need of repair and
    an ability to get creamed on a regular basis from your main rivals .
    
               SQF HM.. 8-))))
49.811Simply the best..BUSSTP::DSMITHGazza's my hero...NOT!!!!!Wed Oct 13 1993 18:0411
    
    
    
     Sal, whit kind of note is that to put in? Won f'all and never will!!!
    When was the last time the Beirut Boys won a national trophy? Back in
    the swinging 60s. The black and white machine strolled to a famous and
    majestic second division title a couple of seasons ago and were very
    unlucky not to pick up the B&Q trophy on two occassions. Wash your 
    mouth out boy, our recent record proves we're the PRIDE of AYRSHIRE!!!
    
       Danny.
49.812WON @@@@ AND NEVER WILL !!!!PAKORA::CREILLYCHARLIEFri Oct 15 1993 18:479
    
    
       THE PRIDE OF AYRSHIRE " NOT "
    
    
    
    
       Charlie(sqfKFC)
    
49.813Whoomf ! Hook,Line and SinkerAYOV16::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthFri Oct 15 1993 18:483
    Hope the bait tasted good Charlie !
    
    Kev...
49.814BETTER LUCK NEXT TIMEKIRKTN::CREILLYCHARLIESun Oct 17 1993 11:459
    
    
    Well done ayr ANOTHER good result on saturday.
    
    
    Charlie(sqfKFC)
    
    
    
49.815FFC/YBPAKORA::SWRIGHTBeavis and ButtheadTue Oct 19 1993 00:074
    Yes.... Well done keeping it down to 2-0  .....
    
    
    *:@))))))))
49.816Our name's on the Cup!! :-)AYOV25::LGRACEThu Oct 21 1993 18:112
    We have drawn Clydebank at home in the B+Q Cup.The tie will be played
    on Tuesday 26th October.
49.817.....are you sure?? :-)VERVAN::GORDONLudere Causa LudendiThu Oct 21 1993 20:334
    If the ref's Hugh Dallas then you won't progress in the B&Q.
    
    The only reason Clydebank got that far is through his "assistance"
    in the game against Queen's Park.
49.818AYOV11::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthWed Oct 27 1993 12:0326
    Well Ayr did indeed progress to the semi's of the Self Assembly Cup and
    it was no thanks to ref kenny Clark from Paisley who had an absolutely
    rotten match with a load of bad decisions and needless bookings. 
    Ayr scored in 44 minutes when under pressure from Sammy, that wee fat
    tube Murdoch lobbed his own keeper from 10 yards. Ayr tied it up after
    81 minutes when Super Sean Sweeney , who also received his customary
    booking, also gave away his customary penalty when he flattened Gregg
    Hood at a corner. Burns tucked the spot kick high into the net and a few
    minutes later, took a bow as he was named Man of the Match. Sammy
    almost added a third when his powerful header from a Burns corner was
    blocked on the line and cleared. Traynor left the field at half-time
    and was replaced by Hood who had a fine match. Bryce was replaced by
    Jack late on. 
     
    Not tempting fate too much but.. I would prefer the winner of the
    M'bank/Montrose match in the semi thank you very much. We seem to have 
    a problem playing against Falkirk ie our attackers add up to 6 feet 5
    and each one of the skillful, creative, fair and honest Falkirk
    defenders ARE 6 feet 5. And we're not much better against Dunfermline
    who haven't dropped a point since they visited Ayr on Sept 25th.
    
    
    Oh well , draw is tomorrow.
    
    Kev...
    
49.819Robertson,McQuilter on the move.YELBUS::DSMITHGazza's my hero...NOT!!!!!Wed Oct 27 1993 18:269
    
    
     Kev, read in the local rag that Graeme Robertson is packing it in at
    Somerset and moving back to the Dunfermline area. He's got some job 
    with the SFA coaching kids in the area or something. Robertson hadn't
    missed a game for Ayr since he joined the club. Also, McQuilter has
    asked for a move as he's no happy playing reserve team footy.
    
     Danny.
49.820AYOV16::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthWed Oct 27 1993 18:3715
    Graeme Robertson has always stayed in Dunfermline and travelled every
    day for training. He was a model professional to the others at Ayr and
    was always first in and last away from training. He has a 3 year
    contract with the SFA as the Area coach. He was looking for a bit of
    job security and who can blame him. One of the best free-transfers we
    ever got and played in all 68 of Ayr's matches since he signed. Played
    in every position of defence and midfield and rarely if ever had a poor
    match. I will be sorry to see him go.
    
    McQuilter was basically a squad man and should know that he would not
    get a first team place very often. Was showing a bit more promise after
    playing next to Shotton but I feel Hood is a much better proposition
    and if Ronnie wants to go, let him.
    
    Kev...
49.821Hot off the phone.....AYOV11::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthThu Oct 28 1993 15:567
    B&Q Cup draw for the semis
    
    Ayr United v St Mirren
    
    to be played 2 November
    
    Kev...
49.822KIRKTN::CPATRICKHere we go againThu Oct 28 1993 16:544
    
    Graeme says that is a good draw.....
    
     ghost writer
49.824got to be nice somtime...Sal says HIKIRKTN::CPATRICKHere we go againThu Oct 28 1993 16:567
    
    could you tell me if the Falkirk V Meadowbank game is at 
    brockville or the Commonwealth stadium. ???
    
     rgds
     
     SQF Jambo #1
49.825Say HI to SalAYOV16::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthThu Oct 28 1993 18:344
    Sorry, don't know where the Bairns versus Bores match is. I phoned
    Somerset for the Ayr draw.
    
    Kev..
49.826AYOV25::LGRACEThu Oct 28 1993 18:471
    Falkirk are at home to Meadowbank.
49.827B&Q Semi ResultsBUSSTP::DREESWed Nov 03 1993 00:528
    
    Ayr     1    St Mirren   2
    Falkirk 3    Meadowbank  2
    
    
    Ayr were 1 up, Meadowbank were 2 up !!
    
    Del.        
49.828Football this wasn't !SCUNER::S_GOUDIEKick Back and PartyWed Nov 03 1993 11:2722
    
    
    	Well thats almost every Tuesday night home game I've attended since 
    	the pre-season friendlies and last night must be very near the worst
    	display yet.
    
    	Ayr were dire ! St Mirren were not much better. 
    
    	And that ref ...... unbelievable !!
    
    	Maybe someone could explain it all but I'm at a loss to understand 
    	Ayr's continual tatics of thumping the ball high in whatever direction 
    	the player happens to be facing when the ball lands at his feet.
	No one in the team seems to want or be capable of holding and using 
    	the ball. 
    
    	How many bookings did that ref hand out ? and why was Burns ordered
    	off ? That man didn't have a clue from that start. None the less 
    	Ayr never deserved a win. 
    
    	Stuart
    
49.829Robbery.....AYOV11::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthWed Nov 03 1993 12:0231
    Stuart,
    
    How can you say Ayr 'never deserved a win' ?? St Mirren were gifted the
    game by an abysmal referee who displayed unbeleivable inconsistency
    with his decisions. He booked Burns for what he said was 'kicking the
    ball away'. It looked to me like he intended to play the ball off the
    back wall to Campbell Money. Then he had to be forced to book Dawson
    for booting the ball away at a free-kick. He booked Gallagher for
    deliberate handball (he punched the ball into the net) when the rule is
    a red card for this offence. Had he sent Gallagher off, he would not
    have been there 2 minutes later to score the winning goal. He only
    spoke to Lavety after he headbutted Kennedy, yet sent Burns off for an
    innocuous foul in the midfield. This was the turning point as St Mirren
    found lots of room in the midfield after this and then Burley made it
    easier for them by subbing Bryce and bringing on Jack and then removed
    Lennox in favour of Traynor. Anyone who watched the game would have
    seen that Gallagher and Lavety were shafting Shotton and the subs
    should have been Traynor on for Shotton and Jack for McGlashan , who
    was not having a good match at all. Ayr may not have played well but
    scarcely deserved to lose to a team who had 5 booked (should've been
    more) and were given a helping hand by a referee who, on his last visit
    to ref an Ayr v St Mirren game, sent off 3 Paisley Thugs and was
    lambasted in the press by an irate Jimmy 'Brainless' Bone. This *may*
    have had an effect on his handling of the game as some of his decisions
    were diabolical to say the least.
    
    I never thought I'd see the day when I would want Falkirk to win but
    come the 5th of December, I'll be hoping the Bairns, with their lovely
    football ;-) play St Midden off the park. 
    
    Kev...
49.830What a joke..YELBUS::DSMITHGazza's my hero...NOT!!!!!Wed Nov 03 1993 12:359
    
    
     No wonder referee's get a bad press if Timmons is anything to go
    by. The guy is brainless, he makes so many mistakes (affecting both
    teams) it's unreal. Surely the SFA should remove him from the Grade 1
    list and get him back refereeing juniors/amateurs/schoolboys. Then 
    again, the SFA is run by brainless ***** - insert your choice of words.
    
     Danny.
49.831Robbery .. for the paying fans !SCUNER::S_GOUDIEKick Back and PartyWed Nov 03 1993 13:1119
    
    
    	Kev,
    
    	I agree totally that Burns should never have been sent-off, that
    	the ref was a complete idiot who never had any control of the 
    	game (I never thought it was a particularly dirty game) but on
    	balance I thought St Mirren deserved the win. In the first quarter
    	of the game Ayr should have buried St Mirren but couldn't. Up until
    	Burns walked Ayr were clueless, continually thumping long high
    	hopefull balls into space, inevitably wasted. After, it was only a 
    	matter of time before St Mirren finished us off. 
    
    	St Mirren though were hardly much better than Ayr ! It's only the 
    	fact that they seemed to try to move the ball around slighty more
    	than Ayr that, to me, made it seem they deserved the win.
    
    	
    	STuart
49.832Louis thow wouldve booked 'imAYOV16::AARNOTTWed Nov 03 1993 16:056
    
    deliberate handball is only a bookable offence unless falling under the
    'professional' foul category i.e. blocking a certain goal I thought?
    
    Andy.
    
49.833Happy daysYELBUS::DSMITHThey've only played 10 seconds..Tue Nov 23 1993 19:2520
    
    
    
     Very quiet in this note these days lads, is everyone just totally
    p'd off with mid-table first division football?
    
     Anyway, to put an even bigger downer on us, who saw the interview
    with David Murray on Sportscene on Friday? He was obviously going
    great guns about Ibrox and the changes there over the past 5 years
    since he took control. However, he managed to answer a few questions
    about his abortive take-over at Somerset. Basically, Ayr would be
    playing in the Premier Division, would have an all seated ground,
    and he even had a prior agreement with Souness that he would be 
    manager of the club if he (Murray) got control. The illustrious
    board of directors at the time certainly have a lot to answer for.
    
      Danny.
    
    ps Maybe the directors were right, look at the mess Souness has made
    at Liverpool. :-)
49.834useless b@!!@#dsBUSSTP::DREESWed Nov 24 1993 13:0716
    
    There was the same kind of article in the Sunday Mail. Murray talked
    at length about his continuing success with Rangers. The frightening
    part of the interview, as far as the rest of Scottish football is
    concerned, was when he stated that with Ibrox nearly complete no more
    money would be spent on the ground. All money would go to strengthening
    the team. Rangers domination looks set to continue as long as Murray is
    chairman. 
    
    The last paragraph was about his failure to buy Ayr. How they would now
    be a Premier side with an all seated stadium etc etc....
    
    I'll nooooooo be back, even if we do manage to get a half decent side
    on the park. I still can't believe we knocked him back. 
    
    Del. (Not even a part-time supporter)
49.8350-0AYOV25::GLEROYThu Dec 09 1993 16:126
    Danny,
    
    I warned you not to take Dundee United for a home win last Saturday. 
    But would you listen? No!
    
    Gavin
49.836Now I really HATE KillieYELBUS::DSMITHThey've only played 10 seconds..Thu Dec 09 1993 17:486
    
    
     Aye, and to make matters worse, my other 5 results all came good. In
    other words, Killie's draw cost me 95 quid!!!
    
     Danny.
49.837KILMARNOCK 1 Raith Rovers...didn'tAYOV25::GLEROYFri Dec 10 1993 15:285
    Danny,
    
    How about taking them for a home win tomorrow?
    
    Gavin
49.838Come on ye RaithMASALA::AMILLARAnd some late news just in...Fri Dec 10 1993 15:458
    
    The mighty Raith to, at last, get the result their football deserves-
    
    Killie 0 Raith Rovers 4
    
    You heard it here first.
    
    Archie
49.839AYOV11::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthFri Dec 10 1993 16:1210
    Eh lads,
    
    
    We're sleeping in here so....
    
    Beat it back to the Beirut note
    
    
    Kev...(who'll be watching 2nd division football next season)
     
49.840ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ!!!!!AYOV25::GLEROYMon Dec 13 1993 15:166
    Sorry If I woke anyone up!  I'll just say "1-0" then beat it back to
    note 50.
    
    Bye!
    
    Gavin
49.841It's hello from meYELBUS::DSMITHThey've only played 10 seconds..Wed Dec 15 1993 16:4914
    
    
     Welcome back to the Ayr conference, anybody home???
    
    Last night's gubbing from Dunfermline saw us loose one of the best 
    defensive records in the league, but what's really annoying is that
    Dunfermline have scored 54 league goals. The black and white machine
    is slowly grinding along with a grand total of 19 scored. Never mind,
    we might have a chance to win the 2nd division next time round.
    
     Danny.
    
    ps Never mind lads, once the squirrels from Baghdad blow up we'll have
    something to laugh about. (I hope!!)
49.842HOW LONG HAS BURLEY GOTAYOV10::BLOVEFri Dec 17 1993 17:4513
    The Ayr Utd boys were out on their Christmas night out on Wednesday,
    (drowning their sorrows) well about six managed to turn up. Malcolm 
    Shotton was having talking to a couple of guys at the bar in Tam o' 
    Shanters, and was making it clear that none of the players were playing 
    for George Burley, and most of them wished he would go. 
    
    He made it clear that he would live to take the job, and feels that
    he'd have no problem with the players playing for him.
    
    Interesting !!  How long can George Burley last.....
    
    
    Lovey
49.843SEASONAL SLUSH...AYOV25::GLEROYTue Dec 21 1993 12:566
    A Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to all in this note and may your
    team do better in the 2nd half of the season, because there's something
    I'd really like to see before too much longer.  A New Year's day, Premier 
    league Ayrshire derby match!  Now wouldn't that be something!
    
    Gavin.
49.844A Long wait KIRKTN::SROBINSTHERES GOT TO BE MORE TO LIFETue Dec 21 1993 14:115
      >:: A new years day premier league derby match ::<
    
       Yip your correct that would be something,but i think you'll
       have to wait much longer than you think.
            SQF Pars fan.
49.845KIRKTN::GPIKETue Dec 21 1993 16:4910
    
    
    You'll need to wait on the pigs flying over the moon for both Ayr
    and DUMferline to get on any premier game
    
    
    
                               lithgy fur ti cup...
    
     
49.846It's all downhill from now.YELBUS::DSMITHThey've only played 10 seconds..Tue Dec 21 1993 21:4113
    
    
    
     Gav, it'll be a long time before Ayr and Killie meet in a New Year
    derby match. We'll almost certainly be playing division 2 football next
    season, while your mob will be mulling along as another very mediocre
    premier league side. All the best to all concerned, especially Killie
    fans now that the slide towards the relegation zone has begun :-)
    
     Danny.
    
    ps Burley to be out at the turn of the year, Malky Shotton taking over
       the helm.
49.847Burley SackedIRNBRU::MCCULLOCHRoy McCulloch DTN 823-4029Fri Dec 24 1993 11:343
	George Burley and assistant Dale Roberts were sacked last night.   The
new manager is Simon Stainrod.  He is expected to make his debut against 
Clydebank at Kilbowie on Monday.
49.848Mr Blobby Stainrod comes to AyrAYOV16::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthFri Dec 24 1993 13:1616
    A sad end to his first managerial post. It's never nice to have to sack
    someone and the blame lies fairly and squarely on the shoulders of the
    headcases who voted in a system which relegates 5 clubs this year.
    Undue pressure caused the board to dispense with the services of George
    Burley and Dale Roberts and now Simon 'Fat English Cheat' Stainrod has
    the unenviable task of steering Ayr to safety in a cuthroat league. If 
    nothing else he brings something to the club which Burley was lacking,
    a personality. 
    
    That's the first time I can honestly say that pressure from the fans
    has brought about such a sudden change in direction. The directors
    ignored all the abuse directed at them and sacked the managerial staff
    instead. When will they realise that they themselves are the REAL
    reason the club is floundering...?
    
    Kev....
49.849BUSSTP::DREESTue Jan 04 1994 22:358
    
    Clydebank  0  Ayr  2
    
    Good start for Stainrod.
    
    Del.
    
    
49.850BUSSTP::DREESMon Jan 10 1994 16:499
    
    Scottish Cup Draw....
    
    Killie  v  Ayr
    
    Disappointed not to get a big club.
    
    Del.
    
49.8511-0 to the Honest Men...YELBUS::DSMITHThey've only played 10 seconds..Mon Jan 10 1994 22:3015
    
    
    
     Hopefully Stainpants can sign a couple of "better" players before
    the cup tie and maybe we'll make a game of it at Rugby Park. Then
    again, we can try and do a Killie and put out 11 players who have 
    little skill but can run for 90 minutes and close the game down!!
    Hopefully there'll be a decent ref and our "skillful" player(s) will
    get some protection from the ruffians from Devastation City.
    
     If Killie manage to drum up a half-decent support we should at least
    make a few quid out of the game which big fat Simon can use in the
    transfer market.
    
     Danny.
49.852no goalsYELBUS::DSMITHThey've only played 10 seconds..Wed Jan 12 1994 01:019
    
    
     Tonights score,
    
                   Clyde 0 Ayr 0.
    
     Point away from home can't be too bad.
    
      Danny.
49.853More to come soon.....AYOV16::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthThu Jan 13 1994 13:236
    Simon Stainrod made his first signing last night when he got 20 year
    old Kevin Biggart on a free transfer from Dundee United. He is a left
    sided midfielder/defender.
    
    Kev.
    
49.854AYOV11::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthFri Jan 14 1994 12:104
    George Burley has returned to whence he came. He has rejoined
    Motherwell as a player and reserve team coach/manager.
    
    Kev...
49.855exAYOV11::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthThu Jan 20 1994 16:3114
    Simon Stainrod made his home debut last night in a 1-0 victory over
    local rivals Kilmarnock in the Reserve league West. He played sweeper
    and set up the goal for Nigel Howard.  Subbed himself later on and
    appeared to have taken a knock in an earlier challenge.
    
    Team was;
    Duncan,Traynor,trialist,Stainrod,Howard,McGlashan,trialist,Bryce
    Carse,Lamont and Scott.
    
    Dress rehearsal for the cup.......?
    
    
    
    Kev.....
49.856Kevin Biggart....MauchlineKIRKTN::JROWANAuchinleck Talbot WILL be back!Thu Jan 20 1994 23:448
49.857Come on ye AYR......YELBUS::DSMITHThey've only played 10 seconds..Wed Jan 26 1994 19:3617
    
    
     Well folks, as Saturday's cup tie at Kilmarnock approaches, what's
    the feelings among the fans? Are we good enough to sneak a win or is
    it a case of keeping the score down? I'm sure Stainrod will have the
    team well fired up for the game and if we can match Killie's 
    commitment and give 100% we should be in with a good chance. Killie
    don't concede many goals but they've also struggled to score,
    particularly at Rugby Park so it could be a tight one.
    
     Lost 3-1 to St. Mirren last night but by all accounts a draw would
    have been a fair result. After loosing a goal in approx 20 seconds!!
    Ayr more than matched the Buddies for the rest of the game and at 2-1
    down should have equalised when the St. Mirren keeper carried a Burns
    cross over his goal-line but the linesman didn't give it.
    
     Danny.
49.858One team in AYRshireAYOV11::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthThu Jan 27 1994 16:2516
    Well I don't want to spout smug optimism as you may find in the Beirut
    note, but I think the score may be low, about 1 or 2 goals scored in
    total. Ayr need to play a sweeper system as they are desperately short
    of pace in the middle of defence. This may however play into Killie's
    hands as it would leave them with acres of midfield space. It's
    possible that Montgomerie may return so the weak link in Paterson will
    be gone. Their strike force of "Elbows" Williamson and "Seven Bellys"
    McCluskey will expect their usual field day against Ayr but I hope that
    Simon Stainrod has the players fired up for this one and they give a
    good account of themselves.
    
    The latest odds are 4/11 Killie 13/2 Ayr 3/1 draw .
    
    The draw must be tempting at 3-1.
    
    Kev...
49.859BUSSTP::DREESSun Jan 30 1994 18:0015
    
    For anyone who doesn't know, yesterday's game ended with a 2-1 win for
    Kilmarnock. That now gives them a 4-1 lead in Scottish Cup games
    between the clubs. As I was in here yesterday I never made the game
    so can't give a report. The Sunday papers seem to differ on their reports.
    Two of the sundays reckon Killie deserved their victory, another gives the
    view that Ayr were good for a draw and that Killie's winner was a disputed
    penalty. I'm sure TV evidence this afternoon will clear up wether it was a
    penalty or not. I'll leave it to those who were there to give a fair report
    on the game but regardless of wether or not Ayr deserved a draw it's Killie
    who are in the next round and looking at the draw they should make the 
    quarters.
    
    Del.
     
49.860Dive, dive, dive!!!!YELBUS::DSMITHThey've only played 10 seconds..Mon Jan 31 1994 12:5922
    
    
     Although Killie deserved to win the game on chances created, Ayr lost
    due to 2 bad errors. Killie's first goal came as they cleared a corner
    and raced upfield where McSkimming was left in acres of space to
    convert a cross. Ayr's central defenders were left upfield and were too
    slow to get back to defend. Ayr equalised when Hughie Burns took the 
    mickey out of a couple of Killie defenders before crossing for Bryce to
    score with a good diving header. 
    
     The winning goal came from a terrible decision from one of Scotlands
    "top" referees. McSkimming fell/dived as if he had been shot, TV
    pictures clearly show no contact was made by Shotton, this was verified
    by Killie fans at that end of the ground. Black scored from the spot to
    win the tie for Killie who must be odds-on to reach the quarter-finals
    where hopefully they'll get stuffed!! :-)
    
     Ayr must now concentrate on pulling clear of the relegation zone
    starting on Saturday where 2 points are a must against Brechin.
    Hopefully Stainrod can get some cash to spend on 2 or 3 new players.
    
     Danny.
49.861Any old hats for sale??AYOV11::AARNOTTMon Jan 31 1994 15:2610
    Re last
    
    Danny, rearrange this well known phrase "at clutching straws". Why was
    Shotton about the only defender not too complain to the ref? Was it
    because he realised he had made a boob?
    
    You may have the last laugh anyway - Morton at Cappielow or Cowdenbeath
    at central park are prime banana skins for us.
    
    Andy.
49.86210 out of 10YELBUS::DSMITHThey've only played 10 seconds..Mon Jan 31 1994 16:1214
    
    
     Andy, take off your blue specs. Several Killie fans who were in line
    with the goal-line were amazed and very amused when the penalty was
    awarded, there was no contact made. The reason no player complained
    was because the Killie player made an expert dive and forward roll to
    con the ref, which ain't too hard to do these days. McSkimming has said
    that the rest of his team even gave him 10 out of 10 for artistic
    impression, that just about sums it up!!
    
     Anyway, good luck in your fight against relegation and may you have 
    many more defeats before the end of the season :-) :-)
    
     Danny.
49.863Waddell 2 - 1 AyrAYOV11::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthTue Feb 01 1994 12:2711
    Andy,
    
    The reason that Shotton did not complain is that , unlike Hughie Burns,
    he knows that complaining to the ref does not get him to change his
    mind, it only results in a yellow card.
    
    McSkimming went down like an Eastenders actress, plain and simple.
    
    The victory is as hollow as Waddells head.
    
    Kev....
49.864AYOV11::AARNOTTTue Feb 01 1994 15:2011
    
    BUT *I* like my blue specs!!!
     
    We're going to have to agree to differ then boys i can see that common
    sense isn't going to prevail 8-))) 
    
    Kev, There ain't such a thing as a hollow victory only victory or
    defeat.
    
    'til next time,
    		Andy. 
49.865;-)AYOV16::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthTue Feb 01 1994 15:465
    Really poor Andy,
    
    I expected *much* better from the "King Of Witty Retorts"
    
    Kev...
49.866!AYOV16::AARNOTTTue Feb 01 1994 16:097
    sorry kev,
    	I'll mark down 'must do better' on my report card.
    
    btw I hear fedora prices have been slashed. Buy now and avoid the
    pre-promotion rush 8-).
    
    Andy.
49.867dive dive diveMASALA::CREILLYCHARLIEThu Feb 03 1994 18:514
    Kev,
    
    
         At the end of the day the best team won.
49.868AYOV16::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthFri Feb 04 1994 11:569
    re last
    
    I know Charlie, I'm not disputing that.
    
    It just annoys me that it took a dive in the penalty area to seperate 
    the scoreline. Killie were bad and Ayr were worse. Lot's of huffing and
    puffing, lots of effort, no entertainment. Typical of recent derbies.
    
    Kev...
49.869AYOV11::AARNOTTFri Feb 04 1994 15:0211
    Re -1
    
    All winding up aside - I can't agree with you on the entertainment side
    of the game, Kev. I thought it was a good game (from our viewpoint)
    with some decent fitba' played and the usual derby aggro (but not
    enough from us as usual).
    
    Andy.
     
    
    
49.870Come on lads, out the woodwork !AYOV11::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthFri Feb 25 1994 14:4623
    In a desperate attempt to reach .1000 quicker than the Beirut Boys, it's
    time for a series of inane ramblings and witterings to appear here.
    
    Actually , a few folk have wondered what's happened to the match
    reports etc. I'll probably start boring you all again soon in the run
    up to the end of the season when we'll all be bricking ourselves in
    case we get relegated. 
    
    Morton tomorrow weather permitting and a good chance to bury the lads
    from Greenock in the second division. They've had a really bad time
    with injuries and if they get relegated (likely) I think they'll run
    away with the league next year with a fully fit squad. Ayr will be 
    missing Bryce (thank God) with a medial ligament strain and George and
    Burns through suspension. Lennox should return to midfield and McGivern
    will go back up front. Duncan will continue on the bench as Spence had
    a blinder against Airdrie, playing fullback sweeper and keeper ! Cammy
    may be joined on the bench by Simon Stainrod who is desperate to make
    his home debut. Hopefully he'll show some of the form which made me
    hate him when he played against Ayr.  With Clydebank taking on Stirling
    there is a good chance that Ayr could move up a place by 4.45 on Sat,
    fingers crossed.
    
    Kev...
49.871Ayr v Morton offBUSSTP::DREESSat Feb 26 1994 12:554
    
    Todays game is off. It's rescheduled for this coming Tuesday.
    
    Del
49.872BUSSTP::DREESWed Mar 02 1994 00:409
    
    Final Score :
    
    Ayr  2  Morton  1
    
    Good result after being 1 down at half-time. The winner came in the
    last couple of minutes.
    
    Del.
49.873Reporter returns.....AYOV11::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthWed Mar 02 1994 13:0540
Ayr United 2 - 1 Morton

Two precious points were gained last night in the fight against relegation
with this victory over the doomed Morton. However for long periods it looked 
like the Greenock men may cause a major upset by stealing the points in a
game which never threatened to hit the heights. Ayr pressed first and Wyllie 
was relieved to see an overhead effort by McGivern slip past the post in the
first minute. Morton came into the game and went in front when an Anderson
cross was flicked on by Lilley and Alexander rose above Spence to send a 
looping header into the empty net after 15 minutes. This should have sparked
a revival from Ayr , but their lacklustre performance continued until half
time with only a Moore drive which was well saved by Wyllie and a Traynor
run which should have brought a penalty , to appease the home fans.

The second 45 was far more entertaining and this was largely due to Simon
Stainrod's introduction of Brian Bilsland for the ineffectual Ross Jack
after 50 minutes. His enthusiasm was boundless and he scampered about the
right wing , knocking in crosses and giving Pickering a hard time at left back.
In 64 minutes a snapshot from the edge of the box by Bilsland was parried out
for a corner by Wyllie. The corner was partially cleared as far as Shotton and
he drove the ball low into the right hand corner of the net from 15 yards for
a deserved equaliser. Ayr had their tails up now and the feeling in the crowd
was that the winner was inevitable. However , Ayr were almost shocked when
Lilley (miles offside) ran onto a through ball and bore down on goal, but his
off target shot slipped past the post. Tom Woods, a sub for the injured Biggart
should have done better when through on goal but elected to shoot when a square
pass would have found an unmarked McGivern.
Minutes later Morton were reduced to 10 men when Tolmie was shown the yellow 
then the red for his second offence. First card was for dissent, second for 
an assault on McGlashan. 1 minute later and Ayr were in front. A corner was 
cleared to the edge of the box and Bilsland met it full on the volley to send 
a swerving shot high into the net from 20 yards. He was mobbed by jubilant Ayr 
players and a large Golden Retriever and when he emerged from the celebrations,
he had a wee celebration of his own in front of the home fans.  
The match ended soon afterwards and the Ayr support trooped home releived.

Best for Ayr were Shotton and Bilsland with McGivern and McGlashan having
quiet nights. Off to Hamilton on Saturday - 2 points are a must.

Kev...
49.874Journalistic bullsh*tBUSSTP::DSMITHThey've only played 10 seconds..Thu Mar 03 1994 07:2410
    
    
    re last
    
     Kev, whit's this about "a large Golden Retriever"? Is this a private
    joke or am I missing something here?
    
     We must be told.
    
     Danny.
49.875Would I lie ?AYOV11::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthThu Mar 03 1994 11:5813
    No Bull Danny,
    
    As the Ayr players celebrated the winning goal, then moved back to
    their own half, a large Golden Retriever ran onto the pitch from the
    break in the perimeter wall near the end of the stand. Before the
    restart, it ran about congratulating Ayr players and attempting to bite
    lumps out of Morton players, before Malky Shotton got it in a
    half-nelson and carried it off the pitch and the physio took it up the
    tunnel. There is a rumour going round that the ref (Hugh Dallas) tried
    to book the aforementioned dug for entering the field of play without
    permission and without having his studs checked.....
    
    Kev....
49.876Dogs ain't my strong point....AYOV11::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthThu Mar 03 1994 16:118
    Seems I'm a wee bit off the truth after all. I read in the paper today
    that it was a greyhound called Flash not a Retriever. I was fooled by
    the fact that Malky managed to catch it. Could you see Malky catching a
    greyhound ? I think not....
    
    Okay Steep ? ;-)
    
    Kev...
49.877Fans on MerseysideYOUWOT::MOOREHEADMReading, ware the Fox hat.!Tue Mar 08 1994 15:3118
From The Guardian 8 March 1994

"Solicitors' firms these days do a lot of sponsoring of local sporting teams or
events, even if only paying for the match ball. It's rarer for barristers' 
chambers to sponsor, but I've now ben informed of a chambers sponsoring, albeit
modeslty, a football team that plays far away (indeed, in another footballing
country), with which neither the chambers nor any of it's members has any link, 
and whose sporting progress has hitherto been of no interest to any of the lawers.
The Liverpool chambers of Nigel Gilmore QC are investing, for no apparent reason,
in Ary United; they've also adopted Ary United shirts for the chambers' team and
many of them are travelling up to Ayr to watch the next home game."

Are Everton and Liverpool really that bad at the moment, well yes thay are but 
I mean AYR Utd!!!!!??????

	8-}

Martin M.
49.878AYOV11::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthTue Mar 08 1994 16:5912
    While we're on the subject of tenuous links, Rod Stewart is also a 
    life member of the club. If only he could invest some dosh, we might do
    a bit better on the field.
    
    BTW How much are these chappies from Merseyside investing in 'Ary Utd'
    
    ?
    
    What is the link, if any ?
    
    Kev....
    
49.879Hammered 2-1AYOV11::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthTue Mar 08 1994 17:0057
Hamilton Accies 2 - 1 Ayr United

This has to be the worst performance since Stainrod took over. Ian Munro had
obviously done his homework on Ayr and used the dearth of pace in the defence
to great effect. Playing up the slope, on a quagmire of a pitch that is unfit
for farmyard animals, let alone footballers (cue a joke there somewhere) Ayr
were up against it from the first minute. As usual Ayr flattered to deceive
and after their first attack was broken up, Hamilton raced down the park and
a pass was floated past Mair to young Derek McGill who hit a low hard cross
into the 6-yard box where that wee nyaff Duffield met it and steered it past
Spence for a 6th minute opener. Play continued to be in Ayr's portion of the
field and it was no surprise when Hamilton went further ahead in the 11th
minute. Shotton was shafted for about the 4th time and McGill ran through the
defence and bore down on goal. Spence came out to meet him and forced him wide,
too wide, I thought, to score, but no, he somehow squeezed the ball in at the
back post from a position 20 yards wide of goal and 3 yards from the bye-line.
2-0 to Accies and the future looked bleak for Ayr. The weather turned worse and
we were treated to more ice dancing than a Lillehammer audience as the pitch
took on the consistency of bostik. A very sleet/snow shower came on and 
visibility dropped to less than 40 yards. Play deteriorated (I did not think
it could get any worse) and we slithered to half-time with Duffield missing
an open goal in the last minute.

Second half saw a couple of changes with the pedestrian Shotton replaced by
debutant Cameron Connie who moved to left midfield. McGlashan switched to 
right midfield and Traynor to centre-half with Kevin Biggart moving to 
right-back. Ayr pushed more into the game but were almost caught when a through
ball eluded Hood but McGill should have done better than miss the target with
only Spence to beat. Spence was again called into action when he brilliantly  
blocked a shot from Duffield and then knocked the rebound out for a corner.
Bilsland was the liveliest attacker I've seen in an Ayr jersey for years and his
appetite for the game was tremendous. He looks to be a real find and I expect
him to hold down a first team place if he recovers from the knock he picked up
on Saturday. Ayr had chances to score and were denied one goal when the ball
was knocked home but the ref ruled a hand had been used in the build-up. Again
we survived a scare when Duffield/McGill combined again only to see the shot
slip past the post. Ayr did score on 74 minutes when McGivern met McGlashan's
nearpost corner and flicked it home via the bar. Ayr were spurred on by this
and had further chances to equalise but in all honesty it would have been a
travesty had we taken a point from this match. Hamilton were tactically superior
ina most areas except for attack. If Ayr had missed that many chances, I would
have been raging. Accies controlled midfield and their defence coped well
under pressure from the pace of Bilsland who was Ayr's only threat. I reckon
next week may see Cammy return, Burns return and Spence and Biggart being 
dropped. Shotton is incapable of playing as a centre-half against a speedy
striker so I would keep Traynor at centre. Stainrod was fuming at the goals 
we gave away and so was the travelling support. Simon called them 'amateurish'
and that was complimentary, it was more like 'pathetic' 

All in all , a poor performance with too many players shown up for the 
rubbish they really are. Lennox and Moore were lost in midfield, McGlashan
hasn't a clue where he is playing and Mair had his worst game for months. 
Simon now has food for thought.

Kev.....


49.880Yoo Hoo! Anyone at home ?AYOV11::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthWed Mar 09 1994 11:5617
    Shotton has a hamstring injury which will make him doubtful for the
    visit of Dunfermline. Burns will return and Stainrod is training this
    week with a view to making his home debut. I reckon the team could be;
    
    				Spence
    
    Burns		Traynor		 Hood		Mair
    
    Biggart		Lennox		 Moore		McGlashan
    
    			Bilsland	McGivern
    
    subs	Connie,Stainrod,Duncan
    
    Anyone else care to hazard a guess/add a note/show a sign of life ???
    
    Kev...		
49.881Sign that Dug, SimonSSMPRD::BMURRAYgolden greyhound retrieversThu Mar 10 1994 15:396
    Kevin,
           I would have the same team, with the exeption of Rover as sub 
    (if fit). Remember that Super Simon and Malky will be in the plant 
    today.
    
    Billy.
49.882We're not worthy......AYOV11::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthThu Mar 10 1994 19:5117
    I detect a mild pi$$take with the mail header, Billy. ;-)
    
    Actually , Flash (not Rover) has a strained back due to being carted
    off the pitch unceremoniously and dumped in the arms of the physio so
    will not be available for Saturday's match.
    
    Sir Simon and the Messiah did indeed visit the plant this afternoon and
    was quite happy to answer questions about his plans for the team and
    for the ground. There are a few things happening IF we stay up and in
    Sir's own words 'There will be a few surprises' He also hinted that
    there may be further signings and that the chairman was quite keen to
    sign a certain Airdrie player who has been in the news recently but
    Simon wants to wait until the correct moment before making a move for 
    him..
    
    
    Kev...
49.883EASE::SMYTHThu Mar 10 1994 20:069
Is the lennox the son of Bobby Lennox who used to play for Celtic.

If he is then the he is useless as he played in the League of Ireland for Derry
City.

He played for a few games then wanted a 25,000 pound signing on fee and was told
where to go.

Gavin.
49.884Never as good as his dad !AYOV16::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthFri Mar 11 1994 11:347
    Yes it's the same Lennox. He joined Ayr from Derry but did not receive
    any signing on fee. He still has a bit to prove although playing for
    Stainrod has given him a lift. He is an ex-teammate of Simon's from
    Falkirk.  Which position did he play for Derry and how many games did
    he play ?
    
    Kev.... 
49.885RE Derry CityEASE::SMYTHFri Mar 11 1994 12:5510
Played centre of the park along with Neil Mc Nabb now and old 35+ who left us to
go and manage Whitton Albion in England.

In total he played about 10 games for the club and was hated be the fans as
there were much better players on the bench, but thankfully he has gone and
Derry City have gone from strength to strength from 12th and last to fifth.



Gavin
49.886Trivia buff....AYOV16::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthFri Mar 11 1994 14:279
    Neil McNab started the season with Ayr after a free from Tranmere. He
    left us after 6 of the most abysmal performances I've seen in years. He
    supposedly left to join Darlington but as far as I am aware, he never
    got there. He obviously stopped off at Derry on the way. He had the
    cheek to suggest his poor form was due to the travelling to Ayr from
    his home in Manchester so I am not surprised he left Derry as well. 
    How did he perform for them ?
    
    Kev... 
49.887Derry CityEASE::SMYTHFri Mar 11 1994 18:0849
Neil Mc Nabb joined Derry City on a week to week basis getting 500 pounds plus
expenses flying in on a Saturday and out on a Sunday.  Initially he was not fit
and overweight but after 2 -3 games started to really perform in midfield, he
was particularly good for Derry City.

Along with Neil Mc Nabb came Scott 'the blond bimbo' Mc Garvey Ex Man Utd 500 a
match who was useless as he seemed to be afraid to tackle also came Luther
Blissett Ex Watford and AC Milan  1000 a match apparently Milan thought they
were getting John Barnes he scored a couple of goals but left after a month.

After the departure of Mc Nabb Derry got Peter bite your ankles Reid but he
wanted too much mone 1700 and was told where to go so he went to Notts County
where he is on a pay as you play contract.


Derry City also have used a number of other players from Scotland

Currently playing for Derry are 

	Central Defender 	Stuart Guald

Started off playing in central midfield
Formely with Hearts 45 games with 1 goal then banned from the Scotish leagure
and the English for hitting the referee deliberately i think he has been
outstanding for derry for in excess of 6 years, definitely could have gone far
except for the ban.

	Left Back		Paul Mc Laughlin

Used to play for Celtic, not very fast but definitely a hard tackler and nothing
gets passed him.  Flown in and out from Scotland every weekend to play for Derry.

	Left Midfield		Paul Kinnaird or Kinnard

Good at going past but final delivery of a ball from the wing poor.


Former Derry City player now team coach 
	
	Central defender	Jack Keay

Good solid defender no messing used to play for Celtic, now settled down with a
family and enjoying life in Derry.

One other player who played a number of games a few years ago was Alan
Sunderland of Arsenal fame who came over for a cup run and Derry won great
player with plenty of vision and skill.

Gavin
49.888Where do u get the money?BUSSTP::DSMITHTears of a clown..fatboys's backFri Mar 11 1994 18:359
    
    
    Re Derry City,
    
     what are the average crowds at your home games? Do you have good
    sponsers to pay the air fares and wages of players travelling from
    Scotland/England.
    
    Danny.
49.889Derry CityEASE::SMYTHFri Mar 11 1994 19:1758
Derry are the biggest supported clubs in the league of ireland with an average
gate in excess of 6500.  The ground can hold 11,000 with seats for 4000.

Sponsorship is plentiful with the largest bgin fruit of the loom with 30,000
yearly for the jersey sponsorship.

Stuart Gauld Lives in Derry and fruit of the loom gave him a job along with paul
kinnaird so that only leaves one player flown in every weekend from scotland.

Average wages are hig with all the players employed outside the game of betweeen
150 - 380 McLaughlin on 500. 

Squad size of 17, most mainly from derry one Frenchman and the 3 scots. below is
the line up

Derry sold a player to Celtic under Brady's reign for 50000  Nigel Melly a
centre half a la Gary Gillespie mould


				Dermot O'Neill
			Cost 15000 Voted Best goalie in league

	Pascal Vaudequin				Paul Mc Laughlin
   Free Transfer Played for				     500 match
Auxerre and Le Harve wife from derry

			Stuart Gauld	Paul Curran
			Free		Civil Servant



	Peter Hutton					Paul Kinnaird
20 yrs old Derryman came through			Free
ranks, interest from Spurs

		    Donal O'Brien	Paul Mc Keever
		    3000 Australian	Free 



		Liam Coyle			Joe Lawless
	24yr old Derryman went on 		5000 Aged28
trial to Forest, they were set to 
for 160,000 but he failed the medical
with a dodgy knee but still bagging the goals


It is a well run club with plenty of Euorpean matches that guarantee a full
house.

Playing Benfica lost 1-2 at home in Brandywell when totally outplaying them,
then went to the Stadium of Light in front of 700000 Portuguese and lost 4-0
obviously overcome with the atmosphere.



Gavin
		    		
49.890Must have been an awfi big stadium ! KIRKTN::JJACKSugar Diabetes...The Welsh FlyweightFri Mar 11 1994 23:3513
    
 <<Then went to the Stadium of Light in front of 700000 Portuguese and lost 4-0
   obviously overcome with the atmosphere.>>
    
    I Think I would be too if I played in front of seven hundred thousand
    fans !
    
    8*)

   

Gavin
		    		
49.891Sorry meant 70,000 perople capacity I think is in excess of 100,000 peopleEASE::SMYTHMon Mar 14 1994 13:190
49.892only 1 point ahead....AYOV16::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthTue Mar 15 1994 19:3655
    Ayr United 0 - 4 Dunfermline
    
    A dreadful performance from Ayr with no player really living up to
    expectation. A few changes were made and the team lined up as follows
    Duncan,Burns,Mair,Donaldson,Hood,Traynor,Lennox,Woods,McGivern,Bilsland
    and McGlashan with Stainrod and Biggart on the bench. The teams kicked
    off in poor conditions which worsened considerably throughout the
    match. Ayr's young trialist from Baillieston Juniors was called into
    action early on and this set the tone for the game with Ayr's defence
    easily the busiest and shakiest. Burns pulled a hamstring early on and
    was struggling for pace most of the match , however the real problems
    appeared to lie in midfield where Ayr were short on ideas and
    commitment. The first goal came in 13 minutes when Mair was woefully
    short with a passback and in the ensuing melee, the ball broke off
    Cammy straight to Ivo Den Bieman who rolled the ball into an empty net.
    Ayr continued to live dangerously in defence and pose little threat
    upfront. The frailties of the rearguard were cruelly exposed minutes
    later when Donaldson , under pressure, nodded the ball down to O'Boyle
    but Duncan blocked the point blank shot. Den Bieman came close again
    when he slipped in behind the defence but wasted an easy scoring
    opportunity by blasting straight at Duncan. Ayr hardly had an attack
    and those which did materialise were easily dealt with by Cooper and
    McCathie. Ayr were badly missing the organisational abilities of
    Shotton and the defence were at sixes and sevens throughout the
    remainder of the half. Donaldson was booked for a late tackle although
    it was his first foul.
    
    The Pars scored in the first minute of the second half when McNamara's
    cross was missed by everyone and fell to Petrie who hammered it across
    Duncan and into the far corner. This effectively knocked the stuffing 
    out of Ayr and they looked beaten even at this early juncture. Stainrod
    had made an appearance himself at the expense of Hoody who was suffering 
    from a bad back. The boss is about 1.5 stone overweight at least and is
    enjoying the office job a bit too much I think. He did however put
    himself about and Cooper and McCathie will know he was playing I'm
    sure. Ray Sharp was fortunate not to earn his 3rd red card of the
    season for  elbowing Bilsland in full view of the ref and linesman, who
    flagged for the infringement. Cooper then conceded a free-kick on the
    edge of the box with a 2 footed challenge of Bilsland (again no
    booking)but Stainrod's weak effort was blocked. Ayr fell further behind
    when Petrie hammered home a shot from the edge of the box after a cut-
    back fell kindly for him and lost another when Smith missed a header
    from a Petrie cross and the ball ricocheted into the net off the
    luckless Donaldson's shoulder. 4-0 and the game had 20 minutes to go.
    Ayr showed a little fight but it was too little too late. McGlashan
    missed an easy chance and Stainrod failed to connect in front of an
    open goal. This gubbing may encourage SS to spend some cash on a
    midfielder and perhaps a lef-back. Biggart came on for Burns and for my
    money, only he and Donaldson showed anything like the effort required
    from a team in the predicament Ayr are in. Wholesale changes are
    required but as we face Falkirk at Brockville next week, who do we
    bring in ? Whoever it is will surely be a sacrificial lamb to the
    slaughter........
    
    Kev...... 
49.893Ooh aah Cantona.....?AYOV11::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthThu Mar 17 1994 16:474
    According to the Sun (it must be true), Ayr have Joel Cantona up for a
    trial from an English club (Portsmouth ?)
    
    Kev...
49.894He's a good un...BUSSTP::DSMITHTears of a clown..fatboys's backThu Mar 17 1994 16:5912
    
    
     Kev, I believe he's currently on trial with Stockport Reserves but
    he didn't do enough to earn a contract. He's a free agent after
    Peterborough United turned him down and is described as a silky
    midfielder desperate to play in Britain.
    
    
     Danny.
    
    ps Stockport Reserves lost 3 - 0 to Carlisle Reserves. Looks like
       Ooh Aah junior could fit into our crap quite easily.
49.895another defeat....AYOV16::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthWed Mar 23 1994 18:1938
Falkirk 2 - 0 Ayr United

I had the misfortune to witness this match from within the confines of the
Brockville stand. Having picked up our free tickets, the stewards would not
allow us to join the Ayr support on the terracing so we had to sit in section
C , beside the home fans. This proved to be a problem as the locals did not
take too kindly to me giving their team, particularly Dragutin 'Oscar Nominee'
Rstic, some verbal ear-bashing. However the game started in usual fashion, Ayr
on the defensive and we continued our recent trend of losing early goals when
a through ball from McCall found Shaw , Traynor and Duncan all challenging.
Duncan got there first but his attempted clearance struck Traynor full on the
face and rolled in front of Shaw who had the easiest of chances to put the
Bairns one-up. Ayr did press more than last week and it wasn't quite the 
humiliation I expected.  Falkirk kept pushing but the combination of a strong
wind, poor pitch and in Richard Cadette, a striker who has wasted more good
balls than Joan Collins, the score remained this way until half-time. Cammy
had redeemed himself with two good saves after his earlier blunder but in
60 minutes was beaten again when neat interpassing released that prolific
goalscorer , Neil Oliver, and his weak angled shot somehow squirmed below the
body of Duncan and trickled over the line. Ayr withdrew Mair , who suffered
a medial ligament strain , and Ross Jack and replaced them with Brian Bilsland
and Man-mountain, Simon Stainrod. This brought tremendous applause from all
in the ground as SS made his return. He did not however, turn in a performance
to remember as he continually fouled, dived, fell and carried on some sort
of running battle with Davie Dodds' lovechild , John Hughes. Good Looking SOB
Yogi and I don't think. The game was played more in Falkirk's half in the latter
stages as Ayr pressed for a consolation but poor finishing cost them the chance
to make the score respectable.  A better performance but still a long way from
the finished article.

We must thank the boys of Greenock Morton for gubbing Stirling 3-0 for their
first victory since November 17th. That result kept Ayr 1 point clear of the
relegation positions. Clydebank at home (they have won 4 in a row so must be
due a defeat) on Saturday and Stirling away next Tuesday. 4 points are required
but I'm willing to bet that Kevin Drinkell opens his account for Stirling
against Ayr in the 8th minute. You heard it here first.....

Kev......
49.896Big games coming upBUSSTP::DSMITHTears of a clown..fatboys's backSun Mar 27 1994 14:1619
    
    
     Ayr 0 Clydebank 0
    
     As usual, I wasn't at the game but by all accounts Ayr could of
    had both points. Next 2 games are crucial in the quest for survival.
    Away to Stirling on Tuesday is 1 game Ayr cannot afford to loose. If
    they manage to win and then defeat Brechin at home on Saturday, they
    should be pretty safe. Stirling are away to Dunfermline on Saturday
    so hopefully they'll follow up a defeat by us with a richt good
    gubbin.
    
     Danny.
    
    ps Nice to see our country bumpkins from the north of the county being
       finally found out for the crap they are. If they loose to St.
       Johnstone on Tuesday and Hearts on Saturday then they'll have to
       kiss goodbye to the premier and look forward to renewing their
       aquaintance with the dives in division 1.
49.897United we stand !!!!!!!!PAKORA::GMCDONALDSun Mar 27 1994 23:0027
    
    Dan/Kev,
    
           Well I went along to Somerset yesterday not really knowing what 
    to expect,Ayr were coming of the back of two sound beatings and the
    Bankies had just won three on the trot .So it came as a bit of a shock
    to see Utd dominate the game from start to finish.After 10 mins it
    should have been all over, both McGivern and Hood crashed the underside
    of the crossbar with the Bankies defence all over the place both times 
    the ball was scrambled away.This set the mood of the game for the next
    80 mins, with the Bankies occational ventures up the park being cleared 
    up by Shotton,Burns and new signing McViacar who had a bit of a blinder 
    other than a his lack of pace he looked the part and maybe is the answer
    to our left full back problem . 
           It has also got to be said that the hefty one had a great game
    he put himself about and played some really nice stuff,particularly in the
    1st half, although it is also quite clear he isn't the fastest forward in 
    the league .I thought most of the team had good games with the possible
    exceptions of Moore and Traynor who will just not do at this level.SS
    knows this as well and is trying to sign up a Premier League midfielder
    for the game at Stirling on Tuesday .Lets hope he gets his man and we
    get the points we need to stay in theis league next term.
           Its looking very like the boys from the black stuff will be back
    in the first division next year and that will be a pity 8*)))
    
                  SQFHM.. 
                                             
49.898BUSSTP::DREESWed Mar 30 1994 01:268
    
    Stirling  1   Ayr  3
                  (Burns,McGivern 2)
    
    Great result tonight. 2pts at home to Brechin on Saturday, should see 
    us stay up.
    
    Del.
49.899Super Simon's black and white army !!!KIRKTN::GMCDONALDWed Mar 30 1994 03:4819
                    Stirling  1 Ayr United  3
    
       The game was almost a carbon copy of Saturday's game only this time
    our early chances were tucked away unlike the ones at the weekend. 
    The 1st goal was a bit of a belter with Burns shooting home from the
    edge of the box after a build up of around 10 passes,with most of the
    team involved.The 2nd was just as good with McGivern finishing of a 
    brilliant Burns pass.Sammy sealed the match with a 18 yarder early in
    the 2nd half.Stirling huffed and puffed but were totally out gunned for
    the whole game,although Drinkel did head a late counter .
      All in all a good result from a much improved Utd side.I can't see
    Stirling or Dumbarton taking 4 points more than us in the run in.So
    we'll be in this league again next year for sure.However we will need
    to get plenty of new faces in to survive next year.
    
     MOM ... Simon Stainrod ...His backheels and flicks were worth the six
    quid alone .
    
    
49.900Stainrod....is that noah a pest control companyKIRKTN::DMILNEWed Mar 30 1994 18:0812
    Sal,
    	What do you mean by hi "highheels and flicks were worth 6 quid" ???
    
    
       
            
    
        Puzzled of Boness.
    
    
    
    
49.901AYOV11::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthThu Mar 31 1994 17:4015
    Sal obviously nipped into "Gorgeous Bob's" in Sterling, (near
    Tillicoultry) for a quick hairdo and some costumier advice before
    setting out for Forthbank.
    
    It's run by that ageing poseur ex-Squirrel , Robert Reilly who is
    obviously attempting to diversify in business now that his footballing
    career is over (it's been over for years actually).
    
    Seriously though, Simon Stainrod's outrageous flick from a Burns free
    kick , was indeed worth the entrance fee alone. Although he may be 2
    or more stone overweight and 35 years old, he is still worth watching.
    Drinkell on the other hand , looks like a complete waste of Stirling 
    cash.
    
    Kev...
49.902The Lager was good !AYOV11::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthTue Apr 05 1994 20:4726
Ayr United  0 - 0 Brechin City

As Digital sponsored this match, I was asked to be a guest of the company and
as such had a seat in the directors box. The hospitality and welcome were
far more entertaining than the match which was predictably dour. Brechin's
last away game resulted in a 9-1 mauling from Hamilton, but there was no
chance of a repeat as they played with a 5 man defence and were happy to sit
in and hope for a breakaway chance. Ayr lacked ideas and penetration and failed
to master the windy/rainy/sunny/snowy conditions which did much to spoil the
encounter. Ayr's best chance fell to McGivern who latched on to a speculative
Burns pass and homed in on goal, only to be foiled by the excellent Balfour
in the Brechin goal. Ayr did have the ball in the net from a McVicar corner
but Simon Stainrod was adjudged to have pushed the goalie in heading the ball
in. A harsh decision and one which the refereeing supervisor , Tom Wharton
was quick to spot from his vantage point in front of me. The rest of the match
was a non-event. Ayr camped in Brechin's half but could not find a way to goal
and when they were close, they wasted any half-chance they had. Stainrod had
appeals for a penalty turned down although he was clearly pushed while trying
to control the ball. The match petered out and we retired to the boardroom 
where we found that all the other results went our way and we now had a 4 point
lead over Dumbarton and Stirling. I confidently predict that should we win our
third last game at home to Clyde, we will be assured of First Division footy
next season. 

Kev...  
49.903A LARGE ONE PLEASE!AYOV25::GLEROYThu Apr 07 1994 13:546
    Kevin,
    
    Nice match report considering that if Tom Wharton was sitting in front of 
    you, you couldn't have seen much of the game!
    
    Gavin
49.904AYOV11::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthThu Apr 07 1994 15:0312
    Aye Gavin,
    
    And the big fella was quick to disappear when I started to ask why he
    is always at Somerset. His visits seem to coincide with a really poor
    performance by the ref. Last week, he was at the home match against
    Clydebank and the ref had an absolute stinker. We always seem to get
    the YTS referees....
    
    Young Thick and Stupid
    
    
    Kev.... 
49.905Pass the Beta-Blockers.....AYOV11::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthTue Apr 12 1994 17:4043
    Ayr United 2 - 3 Airdrieonians
    
    Another poor defensive display cost al least a point, possibly two in
    Saturday's game. Duncan was back in nets as Spence has badly damaged an
    arm in a 25 foot fall from a ladder. He has dislocated his elbow,wrist
    and thumb, ouch ! Ayr's juvenile defending on a gluepot of a pitch had
    Stainrod raging as they gifted 2 goals inside the first 28 minutes. In
    10 minutes , Shotton was woefully short with a passback and Duncan was
    very fortunate to remain on the pitch after handling outside the area.
    I assume the ref let him away with it because of the conditions. In 14
    minutes Airdrie went ahead when Smith rose unchallenged to head home
    into the far corner. Airdrie, playing without any pressure, went
    further ahead when Davenport latched onto a passback from Hood and
    waltzed past Duncan and along the byeline. Ho bore in on goal and shot
    straight at Don McVicar on the goaline and it went through his legs. 
    Ayr replied immediately with Stainrod controlling the ball in the box
    and firing home via Kenny Black. Ayr pushed hard for the equaliser and
    were rewarded in first half injury time when Stainrod glanced a Burns
    corner in off the base of the far post after a McGivern shot had been
    pushed over the bar by Martin. 
    
    Stainrod subbed himself 3 minutes into the second half and Woods came
    on. Ayr went behind again in the 55th minute when Stewart rose
    unchallenged to head a Connelly corner over Duncan for the winner.
    Several times after that, Airdrie were left with simple chances to
    increase their lead but good goalkeeping and poor finishing kept the
    score at 2-3. Bilsland had an effort in the 83rd minute held on the
    line by Martin and that was Ayr's last chance. A poor defensive
    performance from Ayr and the midfield also had a bit of an off-day.
    Only Traynor,McGivern and Stainrod had good games and several players
    notably Shotton, Hood,McGlashan and Biggart will have to step up the
    work rate if they are to remain in the side. Ayr may rue not signing
    Gary Paterson as a big target man would be invaluable in the run-in.
    
    6 games to go for Ayr and Stirling, 7 for Dumbarton. Ayr are still 4
    points clear of both clubs. It should be too difficult for either of
    those teams to catch us . I expect Ayr to pick up 5 or 6 points in the
    final 6 games so that would leave Stirling or Dumbarton needing to pick
    up 9 or 10 points from 12 (or 14 in the Sons case) to stay up.
    
    Knicker-gripping stuff....
    
    Kev...
49.906Off to Greenock.AYOV11::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthFri Apr 15 1994 20:2918
    Dumbarton and Morton both lost in midweek.
    
    The table looks like this;
          
       		   GD	Pts
    Ayr 	  -10    36
    Dumbarton      -6    32
    Stirling Alb  -19    32
    
    Games this weekend
    
    Morton v Ayr          Draw
    Airdrie v Dumbarton   Home win
    Clydebank v Stirling  Draw
    
    There will still be 4 points in it, with 10 points available.
    
    Kev.....
49.907Loadsa confidenceBUSSTP::DSMITHIt's over the line...Tue Apr 19 1994 05:3811
    
    
      Kev, I hope you didn't have money on your predictions! Ayr won at
     Greenock, Dumbarton drew and Stirling lost. This puts Ayr 5 points
     clear of Dumbarton which should be enough to ensure first division
     football next season. The question is, is anyone interested? Will
     Stainrod get money to spend on new players? If he doesn't, Ayr will
     very likely struggle again next season in the new formation, ie, 
     they'll be relegated next time round.
    
      Danny.
49.908Stayin' UpAYOV11::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthTue Apr 19 1994 12:5210
    You know me Dan, I only put a coupon on when Del boy says I haven't a 
    chance of winning ;-)
    
    Seriously though, I expected Stirling to put up a better fight than
    they did against relegation, I did not expect the Sons to get an
    equaliser in the 86th minute and I did not expect Morton to be the
    clueless bunch of misfits I witnessed on Saturday. But I ain't
    complainin'
    
    Kev....
49.909We DO win occasionally!VERVAN::GORDONLudere Causa LudendiTue Apr 19 1994 21:206
    It seems appropriate to note that Queen's Park reserves beat Ayr
    reserves 4-1 last night, with Shotton(!) scoring for Ayr.
    
    Cheers.
    
    David.
49.910Get yer maps oot AYOV11::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthWed Apr 20 1994 12:577
    Isn't it a pity that the First XI can't do as well as the reserves
    David ?
    
    Perhaps if they had , you wouldn't be facing a couple of trips to
    Dingwall and Inverness next year.
    
    Kev....
49.911two derby games next season !!!KIRKTN::GMCDONALDThe United Men of AyrWed Apr 20 1994 14:357
    
    Kev,
       How's about a match report from the Morton game ? I hear this new
    guy McKerrigan is a dud is that the case ?
    
    
       
49.9124 derby games next year !AYOV11::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthWed Apr 20 1994 15:5554
    Morton 0-1 Ayr United
    
    This result condemned Morton to at least one season searching out the
    likes of Berwick and Stenhousemuir on the atlas after Brian Bilsland's
    'drop' goal sent Ayr down the coast with their eighth away win of the
    season. A reasonable match watched by only 1169 supporters and for a
    change it was not torrential rain in the Stadio de Cappielow. 
    
    Ayr were never seriously threatened by Morton but did cause a few
    problems in our own defence with bad defending and poor clearances.
    First half was mainly a midfield struggle with Mahood having the
    better of Traynor and McKILLIGAN having a GOOD MATCH trying to cover
    for the inadequacies of Biggart and Mair. He was involved mainly in
    destructive play, breaking up Morton attacks and harrassing the
    defenders into mistakes. I felt this was his best match since signing
    and it's the first time I felt he has been an asset to the side. He
    played in a sort of Duncan George role although he won more aerial duels
    in one match than George has all season. ALexander gave Hood a torrid
    time but Shotton was always on hand to help out as Lilley was no threat
    at all. Best chance of the first half fell to McKilligan after good
    work on the left by Sammy but his low hard shot skimmed past Wyllie's
    left hand post. Morton were a threat only at corners when the height,
    weight and pushing abilities of Dougie Johnstone were seen to full
    effect. He really has gone downhill and I think would be better of
    donning the cricket whites again rather than the tartan toffee strip.
     
    Second half brought little change in the pattern of play with Ayr
    content to catch Morton offside all the time but continue to threaten
    with the runs of Sammy and Brian 'The Whippet' Bilsland who was a sub
    for SS.  Woods also came on for Mair but was ineffectual again. I feel
    he may be released at the end of the year.  Sammy dropped to midfield
    to allow the 2 new boys to play up front and this proved to be the
    turning point as a pass from Sammy found Bilsland homing in with only
    the keeper to beat. Alas he skied it miserably over the bar but made
    amends minutes later when a Shotton clearance fell kindly over the
    defence and Bilsland used his pace to outstrip Anderson and lob the
    ball over the advancing Wyllie for a killer 81st minute goal. That's 2
    goals he's scored, both against Morton, both late on and both proved to
    be winners. The final whistle went and the Ayr players were jubilant,
    as were the supporters. I'm happy that I don't have that god
    awful 1.5 hour 40 mile run, behind all the Mini Metro drivers in the
    west of Scotland , just to visit Renfrew's answer to the Everglades for
    at least another 15 months.
    
    Best for Ayr; Shotton (as ever)
    		  McKilligan (Sal, who said he was a dud ?)
    		  Duncan  (1 excellent save, looked solid)
    
    Poor games    McVicar 
    		  Biggart ( almost sliced a clearance into his own net)
    		  Mair  (did not look fit)
    
    
    Kev...
49.913eight derby games next season !PAKORA::GMCDONALDThe United Men of AyrWed Apr 20 1994 16:187
    
    Re last,
           Kev,I only said I heard he was a dud as I have never seen him
    play I can't comment on his ability at the moment .
    
           Any rumours oon who the new face's will be for next season ?
      
49.914AYOV11::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthThu Apr 21 1994 13:1217
    That's what I meant Sal, who told you he was a dud ?
    
    As for new faces. I fully expect Gary Paterson to be one of them.
    I don't know who else.
    
    Who will get the chop ?
    
    Barry Scott
    Nigel Howard
    Tom Woods
    Richie Williams
    Gary Lennox
    Colin McGlashan
    
    Any more ideas ?
    
    Kev...
49.915Back to the Railway End !!!!!!KIRKTN::GMCDONALDThe United Men of AyrThu Apr 21 1994 14:2827
    
    Kev,      I heard it from three people who saw him play for us in
    recent games .I also heard that his only first team outings with
    Thistle this season were at fullback,so maybe his future is at the back 
    and Staz is just letting him fill in at the moment in the middle of the
    park.I would hope this is the case because we will need at least two
    quality players in there next year if we are to at least stay in the
    1st div.
    
             Players I would like to see us go for include Philiben for
    centre half as Malky is all but finished .Paterson would also be a good
    asset at centre back or forward.
            As I said we need two good players in the middle of the park
    where they will come from is anyones guess but I have a feeling we may
    again bid for Millar of Hearts.
            Up front we are really needing a prolific goal scorer in the 
    Caddett mould .I would like to see us bust the bank and go for Thompson
    of QoS as he has been on 30 goals a season for some time now.It may be
    a risk but its one we should take.
      
            Players out: add Mair and either George or Moore to your list
    and it is possible that one of the keepers will go.With maybe Money
    coming to us from the Saints .....8-(
    
    
    
                   SQFHM..
49.916I must be going MAD !!!!KIRKTN::CPATRICKThings,can only get better...NOTThu Apr 21 1994 14:4710
    
    Sal........
    
     If it is a prolific goal scorer that Utd need, then why not tip
     off Staz about the availability of one
    
     Wayne Foster (Hibs Buster) of Hearts
    
     SQF Jambo #1
    
49.917not SUPER WAYNE....!!!!!!!!!!!!!PAKORA::TDOLANOvaltine loooooooooooightThu Apr 21 1994 15:0412
    
    
    
    Sid,
    
    	i thought the rumour was that Hibs Buster Wayne Foster was on his
    	way to Rangers....
    
    
      8*))))))))))
    
    
49.918Mercer wants the cashKIRKTN::CPATRICKThings,can only get better...NOTThu Apr 21 1994 15:218
49.919Where's our sugar-daddyBUSSTP::DSMITHIt's over the line...Fri Apr 22 1994 04:3614
    
    
     Kev, Sal, it's all very well talking about signing new players but
    you have to remember that the players you are talking about are
    currently playing full-time football with premier league clubs. Where
    the hell are Ayr going to get the money to a) pay the transfer fee,
    b) pay signing on fees and c) pay these guys wages? I don't think there
    is a David Murray or a Jack Walker ready to invest large sums of money
    into the club. Face facts lads, Ayr are always going to be an average
    mid table first or second division club.
    
     Danny.
    
      
49.920I'm hopeful !AYOV11::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthFri Apr 22 1994 12:5511
    As I said before Danny, Ayr have a lot of plans , all hingeing on
    survival this season. When I asked what these plans were, I was met
    with silence but several hints around new players, ground
    reconstruction, major investment/takeover by Cameron/Barr etc etc.
    
    We'll just have to wait and see what happens but I don't expect SS to
    hang around if he is not given the cash to do a good job. I doubt
    whether he would have come in the first place if he felt that the board
    were content to be a first/second division club.
    
    Kev...
49.921Care in communicationAYOV11::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthFri Apr 22 1994 16:2815
    This message is from Jim Manderson
    
    My attention has been drawn to an input from JROWAN in January this
    year, where the message about Ayr's signing at that time,Kevin Biggart,
    was verging on being libellous. I think the communication was intended
    to be helpful, but went OTT in blackening the young player's character,
    viz a viz "drink problem etc". The notes file is read by many people,
    and I believe that respect for ALL individuals is paramount, especially
    when using a Digital sponsored network. I don't think Kevin Biggart's
    employers(Ayr United), would be very happy to see our company network,
    presenting disparaging information about one of their employees. I
    think his mother, a Digital employee, would be similarly upset.
    If you cannot say something good about somebody, don't say it.
    
    	Jim Manderson, Corporate Communications Manager(Scotland)
49.922PEKING::COSSEYNFri Apr 22 1994 18:006
    
    SERIOUS QUESTION...
    
    Is Jim Mamderson still working for digital.....
    
    Neil...
49.923yes !PAKORA::GMCDONALDThe United Men of AyrFri Apr 22 1994 18:051
    
49.924Do you know him ?AYOV16::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthFri Apr 22 1994 19:3611
    re .922
    
    Yes Neil , Jim Manderson is still working at Digital. He does not have
    access to notes from his account, which is why the note appeared under
    my name.
    
    SERIOUS QUESTION.
    
    Why do you want to know ?
    
    Kev....
49.925BUSSTP::DREESSat Apr 23 1994 01:0116
    
    Not to jump the gun any....but it looks as though we're pretty safe
    now. Looking forward to next season, it's going to be a cracking
    league. It's all been said before but we really do have to sign at
    least 5 or 6 players all of which have to be better than what we have
    already. If we don't I can see us and Stranraer being the whipping
    boys. When you consider the 8 other teams(Dundee,Raith,Killie,Hamilton,
    Clydebank,St Mirren,Airdrie & either Falkirk or Dunfermline) it really
    is going to be a tough league. 
    
    Is this league 1 up & 1 down ? If so we just might hang in there. 
    
    At least we'll have the prospect of 4 Ayrshire derbies to look forward 
    to. :-) 
    
    Del the Pessimist.
49.926New star emerges.BUSSTP::DSMITHIt's over the line...Sat Apr 23 1994 03:0412
    
    
    
     Due to the current goalkeepers crisis at Somerset ie only Cammy Duncan
    is fit, Simon Stainrod played in goal for the reserves last night
    against Dumbarton. He kept a clean sheet until midway through the 2nd
    half, Ayr eventually lost 3-2. It must have taken 3 good efforts to
    beat him, I would have thought his size would have filled most of the
    goal! After the game he commented, "I don't fault my keeper for the 
    goals".
    
     Danny.
49.927The Killie are going down !!!!!PAKORA::GMCDONALDThe United Men of AyrSat Apr 23 1994 12:4615
    
    Re Del,
    
          As far as I know its two teams that will go down to the 2nd div
    next year,and Stranraer is a cert for one of the slots as you have
    said.At the other end of the table the league champs will go up with
    the runner up playing off against the 2nd bottom Premier side in a two 
    leg fixture .
          I think Airdrie might struggle next year as they are giving up
    fulltime football and I believe 5 or 6 of their best players are off at
    the end of the season.
          Your right though we will need to get some quality players in to 
    give a real go,for once.
    
        
49.928BUSSTP::DSMITHIt's over the line...Wed Apr 27 1994 01:188
    
    
    
     Tonights result
    
    Dunfermline  1   Ayr  0
    
     French  89 minutes.
49.929AYOV11::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthThu Apr 28 1994 13:3021
    OK chaps it's rumour time.
    
    If Ayr secure a place in next year's First Division, I expect some
    ground improvements, mainly the reconstruction of the Railway End.
    I also expect Simon Stainrod to invest some money of his own in the
    club. Bill Barr, it is rumoured, will also put more money in and this
    may be to fund the purchase of some players.
    
    Players who may, or may not be arriving;
    
    Alan Lawrence in a swap for Colin McGlashan.
    Dougie Johnstone of Morton.
    Gary Paterson of Dundee.
    Alan Shearer,plus cash, in a swap for Gary Lennox
    
    Oh allright, so I lied about one of them......can you guess which one ?
    
    
    
    
    Kev...
49.930BUSSTP::DSMITHIt's over the line...Fri Apr 29 1994 00:1013
    
    
    Kev,
    
       are the players mentioned any better than what we've got just
    now? Lawrence isn't getting a game at Airdire so why him? Paterson
    seems to me to be a big lump of a lad, not much skill. Mind you,
    Stainrod did sign him for Dundee so he must see something there.
    The chap from Morton I don't know ocht about, as for Shearer, I
    reckon he's just another over-hyped English type chappie. Probably
    wouldn't adjust to Scottish first division football.
    
     Danny.
49.931AYOV25::LGRACEFri Apr 29 1994 16:332
    C'mon chaps let's be serious do you really think that Shearer could
    provide enough service for Sammy?? I think not!!!
49.932Gotham boys on their knees again. 8-)))))KIRKTN::GMCDONALDThe United Men of AyrSun May 01 1994 00:0112
      
    
          Ayr United 1   Clyde   1
    
    
    At last Ayshire's finest are safe ! Lets hope that the rebuilding will
    begin in the close season and that for the first time in a few years we
    can give a good account of ourselves in the 1st .
    Also it looks very like we will be having the "pot lickers" round at 
    New Year as our first foots again.
    
                       SQFHM..
49.933Going down.BUSSTP::DSMITHIt's over the line...Sun May 01 1994 21:2914
    
    
    
     Hey Sal, hope your not trying to wind up those Killie fans
    again. Their team is in deep doo-doo now, 1 point behind with
    only 2 games to go. Once Rangers stuff them next week, and Hearts
    and St. Johnstone come to a gentlemans agreement and accept a
    draw in their match, it could be all over!!
    
     Danny.
    
    ps Who was the Killie player who, a couple of months ago, said
       that they were aiming to finish high enough in the league to
       get a european place!!???!!
49.934No dirty toe nails in the first !PAKORA::GMCDONALDThe United Men of AyrTue May 17 1994 06:257
    
    
    If the Sun newspaper is to be believed Ayr today freed five players.The
    players who's career's at the top are over are Gary Lennox,Steve Bryce,
    Colin McGlashan,Nigal Howard and Gordon Mair.Their replacements will 
    need to be of a higher calibre if Utd are to regain their rightful
    place as Ayrshire's Premier side !
49.935''AYOV11::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthTue May 17 1994 13:1678
    The story of the season......
    
    
    July-Friendlies
    24th COVENTRY	3-2	Annand,Scott,Burns
    26th HIBERNIAN      0-2        -
    28th BLACKBURN      0-1        -                 BK George
    31st Stranraer      1-2     Carse
    August 
0   7th  Clydebank      0-1        -                 BK McGivern
LC  10th MOTHERWELL     0-6        -		     SO Shotton BK Kennedy
2   14th STIRLING       2-1     OG, Scott            BK Howard
4   21st Clyde          1-0     Bryce                BK McQuilter,McGivern
						        McNab, Kennedy
4   28th DUMBARTON      0-1        -                 BK McGivern,Mair
    September
6   4th  St Mirren      1-0     McGivern             SO McQuilter BK Mair
8   10th Brechin City   2-0     McGlashan,Howard     BK Burns
8   14th FALKIRK        0-3        -                        -
8   18th Hamilton       1-2     McGivern                    -
9   25th DUNFERMLINE    1-1     Traynor                     -
10  28th MORTON         2-2     Moore,OG             BK Shotton,McGivern
    October
11  2nd  Airdrie        1-1     McGlashan                   -
BQ  5th  EAST FIFE      3-1     McGlashan,Burns,Bryce       -
12  9th  CLYDEBANK      1-1     Burns (pen)          BK McGlashan,Burns,Mair
AC  12th Kilmarnock*    3-3     Burns (2) McGlashan         -
12  16th Falkirk        0-2                                 -
BQ  19th BRECHIN CITY   2-1     McGivern (2)                -   
14  23rd BRECHIN CITY   1-0     McGivern                    -
BQ  26th CLYDEBANK      2-0     Murdoch (og) Burns(p)BK Kennedy,George  
16  30th CLYDE          1-0     McGivern                    -
    November
BQ  2nd  ST MIRREN      1-2     McGivern             SO Burns
17  6th  Dumbarton      1-1     Bryce 		     BK Robertson,McGivern
17  9th  ST MIRREN      0-1                          BK Kennedy
17  13th AIRDRIE        1-2     McGivern             SO Traynor BK McGlashan
								Burns Burley
19  20th Morton         1-0     Shotton              BK Hood
    27th Dunfermline    POSTPONED
    December
20  4th  HAMILTON       1-1     McGivern                    -
21  11th Stirling*      0-0                                 -
21  14th Dunfermline*   1-6     McGivern             
21  18th FALKIRK        0-3   
    27th Clydebank      POSTPONED
    January
    1st  Clyde          POSTPONED
23  4th  Clydebank      2-0     McGlashan,Hood       BK Jack,Hood 
24  8th  DUMBARTON      1-1     Hood                 BK Jack
25  11th Clyde*         0-0                          BK Jack,Shotton,George
    15th St Mirren      1-1     McGivern      **ABANDONED DUE TO FOG**
27  22nd STIRLING       3-1     Hood,Lennox,
				McGivern
27  25th St Mirren      1-3     Moore                BK McGivern,Burns
SC  29th Kilmarnock     1-2     Bryce                BK George,Burns,Spence
    February
29  5th  Brechin City   4-1     Traynor 2 Biggart 2  BK Hood,Lennox,Mair
30  12th Airdrie        0-0                          BK Spence,Biggart,Hood
						     Woods,McGlashan,Moore
    26th MORTON         POSTPONED
    March
32  1st  MORTON         2-1     Shotton,Bilsland     BK Hood
32  5th  Hamilton       1-2     McGivern                -
32  12th DUNFERMLINE    0-4     -                    BK Donaldson
32  19th Falkirk        0-2     -                    BK Moore
33  26th CLYDEBANK      0-0     -                    BK McGivern
35  29th Stirling Alb   3-1     Burns,McGivern (2)   BK Stainrod,Burns
    April
36  2nd  BRECHIN CITY   0-0     -                       -
36  9th  AIRDRIE        2-3     Stainrod (2)         BK Duncan,McGlashan,Hood
38  16th Morton         1-0     Bilsland                -
40  23rd HAMILTON       1-0     McGivern                -
40  26th Dunfermline    0-1     -                    BK McVicar,Burns
41  30th CLYDE          1-1     McKilligan              -
    May
42  7th  Dumbarton      1-1     Woods                   -
42  14th ST MIRREN      0-1     -                       -
49.936AYOV16::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthTue May 17 1994 17:3528
    Ayr United 0 - 1 St Mirren
    
    The last game of the season with nothing at stake, but you wouldn't
    have known that by the performances. Ayr showed a couple of changes
    with Richie Williams on the bench with Bisy and Traynor at centre -half
    in place of Hood, Simon did not play. Ayr took the game to Saints from
    the kick off and should have had 2 or 3 goals by half-time but somehow
    they squandered chance after chance with Woods the main offender. He
    did very well to take the ball inside a static defence only to side
    foot it past the post from 6 yards. In 14 minutes, the ref Andrew ' I
    love Sean McSkimming' Waddell further endeared himself to the Somerset
    faithful when he chose to book Combe, the Saints keeper, after he
    punched Tom Woods. This surely deserved a sending-off and as The ref
    supervisor Tom Wharton was in the stand and witnessed this appalling
    mistake, I can only hope that Waddell is reprimanded for his
    incompetence.  Martin Baker was next into the book after he complained
    physically to the linesman about a challenge. This cost him dearly as
    he was ordered off for his second offence, a foul on Woods, who was
    carried off as a result. Burns went off injured in 39 mins with
    Williams going to rightback in his place. 
    
    The second half was not as good as the first with Ayr trying hard but
    missing several easy chances and eventually being caught out when
    McIntyre headed home a corner in 71 minutes. Mucho work to be done
    before next season starts. Hope SS is up to the job.
    
    Kev...
     
49.937bye byeAYOV11::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthFri May 20 1994 13:1035
    End of Season rumours abound......
    
    
    Gregg Hood has refused a new 1 year deal and looks set to leave
    Somerset for either Sunderland or Notts County. Not a great loss in my
    opinion as John Traynor is a better player all round. Hood is just too
    slow and would have been caught for pace in next years first division.
    Hopefully he'll have a good tournament with the U-21's in Toulon and
    this may bump up his price at tribunal.
    
    Cammy Duncan has walked out on the club after refusing his new contract
    for 1 year. I don't think this is a big loss either as he was never a 
    really great keeper. Good for reflex stops but very poor at crosses
    and his terrible kick-outs drove me mad. I think he has been nobbled by
    another club. He made a comment to me on Saturday, before he even knew
    what the club were offering, that suggested he was leaving anyway.
    Watch the press, I imagine he will sign for someone soon. Could be
    worth 40-50K at tribunal.
    
    And the biggest rumour so far......
    
    Ayr are set to re-sign Super Ally Graham from Raith Rovers for a fee of
    about 100K. That should please Del-boy.......NOT.
    
    The club will have 20 full-time players next season.
    
    Traynor	McVicar		Shotton		McKilligan	McGivern
    Woods	Bilsland	Connie		Burns		George
    Williams	Stainrod	
    
    who else ?
    
    A few more signings must be made.
    
    Kev...
49.938ANOTHER YEAR IN AT THE TOPKIRKTN::CREILLYTHE KILLIE BOYFri May 20 1994 23:5514
    
    
    Hi Kev,
    
          I think its a new team you need going by the names on the last 
          note,but it might just make it into the final of the Ayrshire cup.
    
    
    
         Charlie (KFC,SQF)
    
         
    
          
49.939Big Ally comes back to the "place" .PAKORA::GMCDONALDThe United Men of AyrSun May 22 1994 14:5918
    
    Re last,    Another side spitter from Charlie !!!!
    
    
    
    
    Re Kev,    I can't agree with you about Traynor being a better player
    than Hood.However if Notts County or Sunderland is offering decent
    money then we will have to let him go.The same goes for Cammy although
    I can't think who'd want to buy him.Perhaps it Morton as their keeper
    is poor.
    
               Add Scott,Moore,Biggart and Spence to your list .
    
    
               One hundred thousand pounds for Ally Graham,no that can't be
    true .Aggghhhhh.
    
49.940Go on then.....KIRKTN::APRYCESun May 22 1994 21:176
    
    Take him ,please take him.
    
    				we'll be back up next year
    					Al(RRFC)
    
49.941BUSSTP::DREESMon May 23 1994 20:2510
    
    Kev,
    
     it's a wind-up.....right ?
    
     please tell me it's a wind-up !
    
    
     Del.
    
49.942Traynor is much better than Hood.....AYOV16::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthTue May 24 1994 13:098
    All right Del,
    
    It's a wind-up.
    
    Maybe...
    
    
    Kev.....
49.943Ah'm no playinBUSSTP::DSMITHIt's over the line...Fri May 27 1994 06:1618
    
    
     Sam McGivern and Barry Scott have also refused new 1 year contracts
    to stay with the super-U's.
    
     McGivern would be a loss as he was top scorer last year with 15 goals.
    Stainrod is quoted as saying that he doesn't want to break what is a
    tight wage structure at Somerset. He seems to have a pretty laid-back
    attitude to it all, quote "football is a game where people come and go
    and it all depends how you react to losing any player. But no one
    player makes all that much difference and I think at this level players
    are generally replaceable".
    
     There will be a lot of free's announced soon so expect several new
    signings before the start of the season. The players who have refused
    new contracts may find themselves struggling to find another club.
    
     Danny.
49.944thats nice and close !!!!!KIRKTN::GMCDONALDThe United Men of AyrWed Jun 01 1994 09:274
    
    
        Ayr United have been drawn away to East Stirlingshire in the first
    round of this seasons B+Q cup.
49.945BUSSTP::DREESWed Jun 01 1994 10:4910
    
    Sal,
    
     that's as good a reason not to go as any !
    
     Not that I'd be there anyway.
    
     Del.
    
     ps. where's all these signings.
49.946AYOV16::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthThu Jun 02 1994 20:414
    Ex-Ayr manager George Burley has been appointed manager of Colchester
    United. 
    
    Kev...
49.947BUSSTP::DSMITHIt's over the line...Thu Jun 02 1994 23:266
    
    
       A step up in the footballing world for George then.
    
      
     Danny.
49.948League Cup draw !!!!!MASALA::GMCDONALDThe United Men of AyrWed Jun 08 1994 17:463
    
    
        August 16th    Ayr United   v   Glasgow Celtic 
49.949 TIME FOR A SHARP EXITPAKORA::CREILLYTHE KILLIE BOYSat Jun 11 1994 11:548
    
    
     I wonder who Celtic will get in the next round?????.
    
    
    
    
    Charlie(SQF,KFC)
49.950razor sharp wit at the ready.......NOTAYOV11::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthSun Jun 12 1994 17:287
    or Forfar or East Fife for that matter.......
    
    
    
    
    
    Kev....
49.951AYOV16::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthTue Jun 21 1994 20:204
    First match of the season is a relegation battle at home versus the
    Hamilton Accies on the 13th of August.
    
    Kev...
49.952IT'S A LONG WAY TO THE TOP TENMASALA::CREILLYTHE KILLIE BOYWed Jun 22 1994 07:206
    
    
    3 points to Hamilton.
    
    
    Charlie(SQF,KFC)
49.953Totally Boring Charlie (as usual)AYOV11::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthWed Jun 22 1994 13:001
    
49.954))AYOV16::AARNOTTWed Jun 22 1994 17:047
    KEV, 
    Would your 2nd 3rd 4th (and all the rest) not be relegation battles
    too?
    Sorry but i couldn't resist temptation - I'm sure you'll attempt to get
    me back.
    
    Andy.
49.955ENA'S BOYSSMPRD::FHEWITSONOne Team In AYRSHIREThu Jul 07 1994 02:3610
    
    
    SS has made his first new signing of the new season according to the
    Ayrshire Post.
    It's John Sharples,he's a centre back and he signs from HEARTS he has
    also played for Man utd.
    Does anybody know anything more about this chap???
    
    
                           fin
49.956ONE TEAM IN AYRSHIREPAKORA::CREILLYTHE KILLIE BOYThu Jul 07 1994 03:136
      
    RE::LAST
    
    Yes he must be stupid.
    
    Charlie.(SQF,KFC)
49.957KIRKTN::CPATRICKMake it easy on yourselfThu Jul 07 1994 12:178
    re-2
    
    Ena Sharples is crap..............
    
    nuf said I think................
    
     SQF Jambo #1
    
49.958I nearly bust a gut.YELBUS::DSMITHIt's over the line...Thu Jul 07 1994 19:169
    
    
     re last 2
    
     Stick to football guys, your attempt at humour is very feeble. Then
    again, supporting teams from Baghdad and the easty coast probably leads
    you to attempting something new to get your kicks.
    
     Danny.
49.959P.S..... I'm not taking the bait !!!!PAKORA::CPATRICKMake it easy on yourselfFri Jul 08 1994 11:5212
    
    re-1 
    
    Danny.......
    
    In my previous note I was just giving my honest opinion of
    the player named Sharples.
    
    he was a free Signing from Man Utd who was lucky if he managed 3-4
    first team games....
    
     SQF Jambo #1
49.960THE NEW HUMOUR NOTEMASALA::CREILLYTHE KILLIE BOYSat Jul 09 1994 03:454
    
    Sorry Danny,I thought i was in the humour note.
    
    Charlie(SQF,KFC)
49.9611 of many.....AYOV11::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthThu Jul 14 1994 15:315
    Frank Rollenge (ex-Strasbourg) arrived in Ayr on Tuesday and joins
    the rest of the squad for training which starts today. First game is
    only 9 days away.
    
    Kev...
49.962LET GO FISHINGKIRKTN::CREILLYTHE KILLIE BOYFri Jul 15 1994 15:365
    
    Frank who ?
    
    
    Charlie(SQF,KFC)
49.963God is gone...YELBUS::DSMITHIt's over the line...Sat Jul 16 1994 11:559
    
    
    
     Malky Shotton leaves Somerset to return to his home town team,
    Barnsley as first team coach. Stainrod has appointed Sam McGivern
    as his assistant manager. McGivern had earlier refused re-signing
    terms with Ayr.
    
     Danny.
49.964Who ?AYOV16::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthWed Jul 20 1994 18:2712
    Ayr have signed Ian Gilzean (ex-Dundee) for nowt I expect, from
    Northampton Town, those giants of the English game and someone called
    Justin Jackson who used to play for Bolton. Cammy Duncan has agreed
    re-signing terms and Frank Rollenge has also signed. I expect all are
    on 1 year contracts.
    
    Kev...
    
    
    PS. any english noter know anything about Jackson ??
    
    
49.965GIANTS OF AYRshireAYOV25::FHEWITSONThu Jul 21 1994 11:4221
    
    AYR  have also signed Gary Paterson from Dundee(the utility man).
    
    i have heard STAZ is ready to sign another player and that will be his
    squad complete.
    
    kev,is it right enough that the new shirt sponser is those GIANTS of
    RETAIL
    
    
    
    
    
              " WHAT EVERYONE WANTS"
    
    
    There is definately going to be a new strip next season.
    
    
    
           fin.....
49.966But cheap to buyKIRKTN::AMILLARAnd some late news just in....Thu Jul 21 1994 12:186
    
    Well, the strips should look great up until they are washed for the
    first time 8-))
    
    Archie
    
49.967WEW arra peepulAYOV11::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthThu Jul 21 1994 13:1018
    re .965
    
    Fin 
    
    You could be right. I had heard similar stories, but I just don't want
    to beleive that's who put up the most money. They better not try and
    put some poofy purple and yellow logo on the sacred black and white
    cloth. 
    
    At least we're spared the ordeal of seeing SS pose about the park in a
    shirt emblazoned with "What Every Woman Wants". He would lap that up
    allright. 
    
    I thought SS had got his last man in (paterson) to complete the squad ?
    Who's the one he's after ??
    
    
    Kev...
49.968NOT long till we notch up 1000AYOV25::FHEWITSONGIANTS of AYRshireThu Jul 21 1994 15:1217
    
    
    kev
    
    
    I heard from the source that told me about the new sponsor, that SS is
    still looking to sign Derek Mcwilliams from the pars.
    
    I also heard that we nearly had LINDSAY(BIG GIRLS BLOUSE) HAMILTON 
    ready to sign for UTD but he refused TERMS.... Thank God we never
    signed him. Cammy's a better Keeper anyway.
    
    I think HOODY is on the verge of signing on again.
    
    
                fin....
    
49.969TRIP to DUBLINAYOV25::FHEWITSONGIANTS of AYRshireSat Jul 23 1994 14:2114
    
    
    lads,
         Is there any of you's making the trip to the EMERALD ISLE???
    
    
         If so can we have match reports & how the new players performed
    
    
    
            cheers
        
    
                 fin
49.970Not looking too good.AYOV11::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthMon Jul 25 1994 15:4412
    
    Ayr's pre-season tour of Ireland has been a mixed bag so far. They beat
    the amateurs of St James Gate 2-0 on Saturday with Gilzean scoring in
    the 23rd and 31st minutes. The papers reported this as an easy victory.
    They played UCD yesterday and were soundly gubbed 3-0 with Gary
    Paterson responsible for 2 of the goals. SS is quoted as saying results
    are not important at the moment but finding your best side is. It looks
    like a side without Paterson may be the best.
    
    Bray Wanderers tomorrow night and Drogheda on Thursday.
    
    Kev... 
49.971AYOV11::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthMon Jul 25 1994 18:235
    correction to last note;
    
    Bray Wanderers match is off. Rearranged match with Galway tomorrow.
    
    Kev...
49.972Paterson - the new saviourBUSSTP::DSMITHIt's over the line...Mon Jul 25 1994 18:266
    
    
     As informative as ever Kev. What's happened to the match reports
    though?
    
     Danny.
49.973I'm just a part-time supporterAYOV16::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthMon Jul 25 1994 20:306
    I'm doing my best Danny, it's difficult to clear view of some of the
    games from my living-room window. ;-)
    
    Kev
    
    
49.974GALVIA::SPAINsigned long gary();Wed Jul 27 1994 01:1919
    
    
    Galway 1 Ayr 3
    
    I've just watched Ayr beat a disappointing Galway side.  Ayr dominated
    the early exchanges and scored through Sharples after 10 minutes.  He
    drove home after a scramble in the box.  10 minutes later Gilzean hit
    the bar and McGivern drove home the rebound.  Galway finally woke up
    and Ronan Killeen scrambled an equaliser.  
    Galway had chances to equalise in the second half.  Ricky O'Flaherty
    hit a post and the keeper made a couple of good saves.  An Ayr
    substitute made the game safe with about 15 minutes left.  I didn't
    find out who he was but he was the only black on the team.
    The Ayr fans were very quiet (both of them).  
    
    Galway produced a 4 page programme and I have a few of them so if
    anyone wants some just send me your internal snail address.
    
    Gary.
49.9752wins 1defeatAYOV11::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthWed Jul 27 1994 12:364
    I think the scorer of the third goal was Justin Jackson, the recent
    signing from Bolton Wanderers. Looking forward to a programme..
    
    Kevin McClelland @AYO
49.976GALVIA::SPAINsigned long gary();Wed Jul 27 1994 13:295
    
    BTW one of the officials was a woman - Maria.  Is this the first time
    Ayr have had a woman run the line?
    
    Gary.
49.977Waddell is a big girls blouse....AYOV11::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthWed Jul 27 1994 14:264
    Well most Scottish officials act like women, but I think it's the first
    time we've actually had a female run the line.
    
    Kev..
49.978BUSSTP::DREESWed Aug 03 1994 01:456
    
    tonights friendly result :
    
    Ayr Utd  1   Middlesboro  2
    
    Del.
49.979BUSSTP::DREESThu Aug 04 1994 23:0813
    
    Kev,
    
    I'm disappointed to say the least..where's the match report from 
    tuesday night ?
    
    You wanna be getting your act together.
    
    Del.
    
    ps. It's also about time you got the fixture list in here as well....
        so I can pick which game I'm going to this season !
                                
49.980AYOV16::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthMon Aug 08 1994 17:596
    Sorry Del, I was on hols last week.
    
    It's a bit late to give a report now. Would you prefer one from the
    game on Saturday against Lancaster City, which Ayr won 1-0 ?
    
    Kev...
49.981BUSSTP::DREESMon Aug 08 1994 19:369
    
    re. last
    
    figured you we're either on holiday or dead......!
    
    How about a fixture list.
    
    Del.
    
49.982AYOV11::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthThu Aug 11 1994 12:257
    Ayr have signed another Frenchman, on trial this time. He is 22 year
    old Regis Gouges and has been signed from Nantes. He was an U21
    international for France. He will not be available for the big kick-off
    on saturday as he has am ankle knock. His normal posistion is left
    midfield.
    
    Kev...
49.983IRNBRU::HOWARDJune18-94, the Italian JobMon Aug 15 1994 14:117
    Can someone tell me if this weeks game against Celtic in the Coca-Cola
    Cup is all-ticket? If so, where can I get one and if not, how much will
    it cost to get into Somerset Park?...
    
    all donations gratefully received....
    
    Ray....
49.984No Green and White in the Somerset End !!!!AYOV11::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthMon Aug 15 1994 14:5311
    Ray,
    
    The game is all-ticket.
    
    You can buy one from Celtic Park ( assuming you are not an Ayr
    supporter or a neutral) or you can go down to Somerset and buy one
    today between 11am and 1pm ( I think). They will be on sale up to
    tomorrow at 3.30pm. They will cost you 8 quid. Phone the ground on
    263435 for more info. 
    
    Kev....
49.9851 pointAYOV11::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthMon Aug 15 1994 14:5342
Ayr United 1 - 1 Hamilton Accies

Ayr could and should have won this entertaining encounter instead of dropping
2 points in the opening match of the season. Hamilton barely attempted to 
attack and seemed lightweight in most areas of the park. Ayr however, dominated
the proceedings from start to finish with Garry Paterson outstanding in defence
and latterly, in attack. All roads led to Allan Ferguson's goalmouth, and he
showed why he is regarded as the best keeper in the 1st Div with a string of
outstanding saves, most notably from Gilzean,Paterson and Woods. Ayr lined up
with a 5-2-3 formation with Rolling sweeping behind Paterson and Sharples
and Gilzean partnering Bilsland and McGivern up front. This was a good attacking
formation but the forwards were starved of good quality ball due to Ayr's
midfield having Vinnie Poore, sorry, Moore in it. Neil McKilligan was running
himself into the ground, as was Bilsland who was trying to link up with the
midfield and the forwards. The best chance of the first half fell to Paterson
but he skied his shot from 4 yards. Hamilton took the lead totally against the
run of play when Lorimer ran onto a through ball and calmly knocked it past 
Cammy and into the far corner. This was their first real attack and it knocked
a bit of the stuffing out of Ayr who had ran the show up to this point.
McInulty was fortunate only to recieve a booking for handball only minutes after
he escaped punishment for kicking Bilsland in an off the ball incident.
Ayr attacked Accies from the whistle in the second half and were almost rewarded
when Gilzean struck a fierce shot just over the bar. Woods and Traynor replaced
McKilligan and Bilsland and Ayr continued to press for the equaliser. Woods
was denied by a fantastic fingertip save from Ferguson and Paterson was also
foiled by the young keeper. Ayr switched Paterson into attack and reverted to 
a flat back four and were almost caught out when Burns lost possession in a 
mix up with Moore and 4 Hamilton attackers bore down on Rolling and Duncan.
Frank did just enough to block the path to pass and forced Duffield to shoot
and Duncan saved magnificently. With 6 minutes left Ayr deservedly equalised 
when Rolling won the ball in a tough challenge with the Accies #7. He played it 
wide to Burns who crossed it to Gilzean beyond the back post, about 7 yards out,
he headed it back across the goal and Traynor was the first of 3 Ayr players
bearing down on it and he hammered it past the despairing Ferguson. Ayr had
chances to win it, but bad luck and good 'keeping meant a draw was the end
result. Rolling was Ayr's only booking for showing studs in a tackle.

MoM - Gary Paterson		Burns and Moore were terrible.

Celtic tomorrow night. I can't wait.....

Kev....
49.986BUSSTP::DREESTue Aug 16 1994 08:3212
    
    A bit disappointed only in getting a point when we had most of the
    game. We're definately more physical than last season although the
    skill level's about the same (nil). Another signing, someone who
    can actually play football in the middle of the park, would make all
    the difference. On Saturday's showing we won't go down, a bit more class 
    in midfield and we could, without being overly optimistic, finish in the 
    top 5. 
    
    Del.
    
    ps. sorry for shooting off so quick Kev...duty called.
49.987CELTS TROPHY ROOM,BARE FOR ANOTHER SEASONSSMPRD::FHEWITSONGIANTS of AYRshireWed Aug 17 1994 09:4921
    
                       AYR 0 CELTIC 1
                               
     I felt AYR were very unlucky in this match and showed that we have a
    bit of dig in the team,we didnt disgrace ourselves like last year
    against Motherwell.Celtic were very poor and for another season will
    win sod all.
    Question,
    How did PANDY walker get the MOM award especially after being taking
    off in the 2nd half.
    
    I thought it should have went to Frank Rolling who strolled through the
    match and never looked out of his depth,he looks to be a good bit of
    business done by Stainrod.
    
    
    Here's looking forward to the PAISLEY PIRATES on saturday with a
    victory I hope.
    
    
    cheers fin..........
49.988Worst ever.YELBUS::DSMITHIt's over the line...Wed Aug 17 1994 15:2929
    
    
     Got to disagree here Fin. How can Ayr have been unlucky when they only
    had 1 decent effort at goal all game, ie Burns shot against the post.
    Stainrod's tactics were shockingly bad to say the least. The big punt
    up the park at every opportunity made McNally and Mowbray look like
    decent defenders. The 2 Ayr forwards did nothing all game except jump
    up and down like someone on an acid trip, they were possibly the 2
    worst players on the park. Theres no point in playing 2 big strikers if
    you don't play wide men who can take on defenders and get some decent
    crosses in. Where's Henry Templeton when you need him? George Burley or
    even the mad Ally would have played a team that would have given a very 
    poor Celtic side a lot of problems.
    
     Agree with you about Celtic, they were quite dreadful as well. Apart
    from Peter Grunts goal, following a defensive blunder, they could have
    played until next Tuesday without scoring. Burns could hace a good team
    if he signs Cantona, Shearer, Ince, Laudruap, Baggio and Maldini!!
    
     Danny.
    
    
      I learned a lesson or 2 last night. According to the hordes fae
      Glesga, the correct spelling of their teams name is SELLIC.
    
    
      ps. Wonder why the SELLIC fans got upset when they were called a
        "bunch of homeless beggars" Seemed like a reasonable statement to
         me.
49.989Keep things in perspective.......AYOV11::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthWed Aug 17 1994 20:4433
    My turn to disagree with you Danny. It is unreasonable to compare Ayr
    and Celtic without noting that 2 of Scotland's midfield play for
    Celtic. If you try and play football on the ground against that, with
    players such as Traynor,Connie,McKilligan etc, you will get shafted.
    Ayr took the direct route to goal and fair enough it did not pay off,
    however for 90 minutes I watched an Ayr side give a supposed 'talented'
    side a real run for their money. They caused all sorts of problems at
    throw-ins,corners and set pieces and the reason Mowbray and McNally
    'looked good' is because they had so many things to do.
    
    I watched Ayr's last 2 encounters in the Skol Cup against Celtic and 
    your idea of pretty football with wingers etc, did not work. We went
    to Parkhead with a team consisting of Purdie,Love,Ross,Brown,Gillespie
    Weir and a host of other players bought and signed by Ally McLeod.
    You may not remember the results so I'll refresh your memory. We got
    stuffed 4-1 and 4-0. Not my idea of entertainment. Ayr played like that
    last night because they HAD to, to have any chance at all. The only 
    player who did not contribute last night was Vinnie Poore (again) and
    it's a while since I saw that amount of commitment from Ayr players.
    Can you imagine a Burley side playing against Celtic - scary huh ?
    
    One thing I will say, Celtic were no better than Ayr and are extremely
    fortunate to have the luxury of a 3rd round draw.
    
    When it all comes down to it, it's horses for courses. Paterson will
    be back in defence on Saturday and the ball will be played through the
    midfield more. When and if Ayr get a midfielder who can play a bit of
    football , THEN the style will change. As it is, it's a cut-throat 
    league this year and survival is imperative, no matter how it's
    achieved.
    
    
    Kev....
49.990AYOV20::JHILLThu Aug 18 1994 01:4221

	Sorry Dan, but I've got to agree with Fin and Kevin. Ayr were unlucky
in my opinion. To be quite honest I think we lacked the terrier like qualities
of Bilsland, as the two big men found it difficult to strike up a partnership.

	However, over the 90 minutes the team as whole came up with a 
performance which easily matched Celtics but at the end of the day we lost
and that's football. 

	





John.




49.991Keep things in perspective..version 2YELBUS::DSMITHIt's over the line...Thu Aug 18 1994 12:5137
    
    
    
     Sorry guys, but I must of been at a different game from you lot.
    
     To suggest that Ayr couldn't cope with "Scotlands midfield" is
    wrong. If Ayr had tried to play the ball through the midfield and
    were getting nowhere, then resort to the big punt. 2 seasons ago
    against Rangers, who dominate Scottish football, Ayr created a lot
    more chances and were unlucky not to take something from that game.
    If I remember correctly, Ayr at least tried to play football in that
    game and were fairly successfull.
    
     Ayr did not, over the 90 minutes, try and
    change their style of play. Every corner, free kick and throw in
    was the same predictable punt into the Celtic penalty area. The
    Ayr forwards hardly won any challenge in the air against the Celtic
    defence, why then could Ayr/Stainrod not change their tactics and 
    try something different? How often did the Celtic full-backs have do
    to any sort of defending, they were never tested in a defensive role
    apart from jumping to head clear.
    
     I could have put on a black and white jersey and run about for 90
    minutes, belting the ball upfield. Thats commitment, doesn't mean I'm
    playing football.
    
     Celtic are a very poor side. A change in tactics, a little bit of
    variation in Ayr's play and we might have seen a different result.
    To say Celtic were lucky/Ayr unlucky is, in my opinion, rubbish.
    Celtic only had a couple of shots on target, but they scored. Marshall
    in the Celtic goal did not have a decent effort to save. Thats nothing
    to do with luck, that's just poor football.
    
     Take off those tinted-glasses and open your eyes!!!! Ayr were crap,
    Stainrods tactics were crap!!!!
    
     Danny.
49.992allYELBUS::DSMITHIt's over the line...Sat Aug 27 1994 00:081
    
49.993thisYELBUS::DSMITHIt's over the line...Sat Aug 27 1994 00:081
    
49.994justYELBUS::DSMITHIt's over the line...Sat Aug 27 1994 00:081
    
49.995toYELBUS::DSMITHIt's over the line...Sat Aug 27 1994 00:111
    
49.996getYELBUS::DSMITHIt's over the line...Sat Aug 27 1994 00:111
    
49.997toYELBUS::DSMITHIt's over the line...Sat Aug 27 1994 00:111
    
49.998noteYELBUS::DSMITHIt's over the line...Sat Aug 27 1994 00:111
    
49.9991000YELBUS::DSMITHIt's over the line...Sat Aug 27 1994 00:121
    
49.1000we've got it !!!!!YELBUS::DSMITHIt's over the line...Sat Aug 27 1994 00:123
    
    
    The *BIG*  1000       !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
49.1001Get a life 8*)KIRKTN::JJACKSat Aug 27 1994 11:174
    Mr.Mods
    
    I think the last few notes should be deleted & YELBUS::DSMITH made to
    drink in a pub in KIlmarnock for the rest of his life !
49.1002Stick to yer ain note. :-)YELBUS::DSMITHIt's over the line...Tue Aug 30 1994 01:0912
    
    
      Mr. Jack,
    
      I wouldn't drink in a pub in Kilmarnock if my life depended on it.
     In fact, I wouldn't be seen deid in a pub in Kilmarnock. :-) :-)
    
      By the way, that's a sooper sexy new ground their flinging together
     down Killie way, should look really out of place in the 1st division
     next season.
    
      Danny.
49.1003Stranraer 10 Ayr 8 (players that is!!!)AYOV25::GLEROYWed Aug 31 1994 19:105
    I'm interested to hear an Ayr fan's view on the goings on at Stranraer
    at the weekend.  Is it true the foul was yards outside the box and the
    ref gave a penalty?
    
    Gavin
49.1004BUSSTP::DREESThu Sep 01 1994 10:3418
    
    3 league games into the new season and we're sitting with 2 pts. 
    Without doubt relegation form when you consider the 3 teams we've
    played will be at the bottom end of the league come the end of the
    season. If we have trouble in beating Hamilton,St Mirren and Stranraer
    what chance in the next 4 games against St Johnstone,Airdrie,Dundee &
    Raith ?  For all Stainrod's talk of being hard to beat and carrying a
    greater goal threat, one goal a game is not going to be good enough.
    
    St Johnstone had a great result last night at Tynecastle so saturday
    is going to be tough especially considering we'll be missing 3 players
    after last saturday. The seasons just started and things are already
    looking bleak.
    
    Del Doom.  
    
    ps. On a happier note I see Dads Army lost again last night.....shame
    :-)
49.1005Red Card United Ready To Rock !!!MASALA::GMCDONALDThe United Men of AyrFri Sep 02 1994 02:0818
    
    Del,
    
       The three players that are out for Saturday are not such a great
    loss as you would think.The pluses will out number the minuses.Sharples
    will bw available again,so we will be able to field our first choice
    defence .I'm told that McIntosh is a good keeper and Cammy will have
    trouble getting his place back when he is available again.
       You are correct about our scoring record,it is poor.Maybe the
    arrival of Gailerenzo will ease the problem.
       There is still a very long way to go.One thing that has improved is
    our defence .It doesn't seem to be leaking goals the way it used
    to.Famous last words.
       
    
    
    
                         SQFHM..
49.1006Whit defence !!!!!MASALA::GMCDONALDThe United Men of AyrSun Sep 04 1994 00:2612
    
    
       Ayr United    3    St Johnstone    4                Att 2,400
        Stainrod            O'Boyle (3)
        Traynor             Irons
        Gilzean
    
    
    
    
    
      
49.1007Solid as a rockYELBUS::DSMITHIt's over the line...Mon Sep 05 1994 00:237
    
    
    re .1005
    
       You said it Sal, famous last words!!!!
    
       Danny.
49.1008Hello worldYELBUS::DSMITHIt's over the line...Thu Sep 15 1994 23:2811
    
    
     11 days without a note here, something to do with the team's lacklustre
    start to the season perhaps?
    
     Away to East Stirling in the B@Q on Sunday, is it live on STV :-).
    Will Jim Farry attempt to block CH4 coverage of the Italian game on
    Sunday as that may detract from the Ayr game? Will Ayr win their
    first game of the season? Does anyone care? Is anyone there?
    
     Danny.
49.1009AYOV16::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthFri Sep 16 1994 14:4025
    Ok Danny I'll bite,
    
    Yes we are still here , but as Sal and I are the only ones who appear to
    go to the games anymore AND write in notes, we have taken to talking
    through mail if we have gossip/info/reports. It saves me getting into
    trouble with "the Thought Police' in here for spending 'too much time
    in notes'
    
    I'll be at Firs Park on Sunday for my first visit since 1988 and I
    expect Ayr to triumph 2-0. The team will be 
    
    			Duncan
    
    Burns 	Paterson	Rolling		McVicar
    
    		Traynor  George	  Gorgues
    
    			Stainrod
    
    	Gilzean				McGivern
    
    Now , has any other Ayr fan got something to write........?
    
    
    Kev.
49.1010Big Bruvver is watching you!AYOV16::GBORLANDFri Sep 16 1994 15:015
OI! Kevin! Get back to work you lazy sod!

The Thought Police :-)

49.1011AYOV11::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthFri Sep 16 1994 16:558
    re last
    
    See what I mean Danny ?
    
    GB, you're getting slow off the mark . That took 21 minutes for you to
    reply. 8-)
    
    Kev..
49.1012Look out! Look Out! The Thought police are about!AYOV16::GBORLANDFri Sep 16 1994 18:3211
Kev,

21 minutes is not bad considering all the other reprobates I have to keep an eye
on.

Besides as .1010 is your second offence, I can no longer overlook these 
misdemeanours and must report you to the grey man. Thats if I remember!

Sgt Marvo of the Thought Police :-)

49.1013Slippier than a velvet eelAYOV11::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthFri Sep 16 1994 19:596
    Marvo the Memory Man strikes again.
    
    .1010 is in fact YOUR first offence and as tackling from behind
    (oo-err) is a nasty offence, off you go.
    
    Kev....
49.1014Oi Ref! you need glasses Mate!AYOV16::GBORLANDFri Sep 16 1994 20:128
Kev, you force me to play the SFA inconsistent referee gambit. Thus I was 
unsighted when I wrote my last note and therefore I escape punishment.
You however have completed your hatrick of bookable offences, so the SOTD award
is yours (Skivver of the Day).

Nodrog.

49.1015It gets worse.................AYOV11::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthMon Sep 19 1994 14:4679
East Stirlingshire 1-1 Ayr United  (Ayr win 4-2 on penalties)

This has to rank as one of the worst Ayr performances I have ever had the
misfortune to witness. Against a team from Division 3, Ayr struggled to find
any sort of pattern or form and instead of playing neat attractive football
on the ground, they elected to hump the ball from end to end with a predictable
outcome. As early as the 5th minute Ayr looked out of sorts and Geraghty almost
cashed in on a slack Moore pass-back which Duncan had to clear under pressure. 
It came as no surprise to me when Shire took the lead. A mazy run by Geraghty
along the edge of the 18 yard box ended when he slipped a pass in front of
Watt and he hammered the ball into the roof of the net from 16 yards. Ayr 
stepped up a gear and attempted to get back into the game but a combination of 
poor finishing and good goalkeeping kept them out. A Moore headflick was touched
over the bar, a Gorgues shot hit the bar, Stainrod had a goal chalked off for
handball and the ref turned down appeals for a penalty when a hand was clearly
used. The first half ended with Ayr camped in Shire's 18 yard box, forcing
six corners in a 2 minute spell, all of which proved fruitless. The whistle
brought jeers from the visiting fans in the crowd(?) of 768.

I would have thought it was impossible to be worse than the first half, but
Ayr again contrived to astound me with a display of unparalleled ineptitude
in the second half. They got back into the game by the only possible means,
a penalty. Sneddon needlessly handled with the ball running out and Burns
duly stuck away the kick to level things. Shire buckled and Ayr had a 10 minute
spell of pressure which should have ended in a goal when Burns ran through
and, instead of squaring to the unmarked duo of Bilsland and McGivern, he shot 
at goal from an impossible angle with obvious results. Shire were not posing
any threat up front and Cammy Duncan had one of his easiest days but in the
midfield and defence, Shire were a match for their supposedly more experienced
counterparts. Gordon Wylde (ex Killie) and Duncan George had a running battle
most of the match which should have brought more than a warning from the ref.
Wylde was in the thick of things again with McGivern and was booked along
with Sammy for his troubles. He then had to leave the park for treatment after
a strong challenge from Moore. He reappeared with blood soaking through the 
bandage on a leg wound. The match petered out and into extra-time, which a
discreet veil will be drawn over. It was quite simply dreadful to watch.
On to penalties and it went like so;

Lee scored for Shire      1-0
Burns scored for Ayr      1-1
?? saved by Duncan	  1-1
Moore scored for Ayr      1-2
?? scored for Shire       2-2
McGivern scored for Ayr   2-3
Cuthbert saved by Duncan  2-3
Gilzean scored for Ayr    2-4  and Ayr had scraped through by the skin of
their teeth. 

Duncan		****  saved the game, no chance with the goal
Burns		**    flattered to deceive
Connie		***   reasonable match
Paterson	*     one end of a pantomime horse ( possibly both ends )
Rolling		****  different ecole, must wonder what he's doing here
George		***   solid, saving tackles were excellent
Gorgues		**    hit bar and post,did nothing else
Moore		*     was he playing ?
McGivern	*     done , finished , knackered
Stainrod	*     a sad end to a wonderful playing career, woefully unfit
Bilsland	*     couldn't stay upright most of the time, a blatant cheat
Gilzean		*     sub for Bilsland. the other end of the pantomime horse

Stainrod will have to realise that this 'hump it up the park and chase it'
stuff doesn't suit the players or the fans. The fans voiced there displeasure
and there is more to come if he doesn't sort it out now. Dump Paterson and
Burns and Moore and Himself and play some footballers who have fitness and
a wee bit of ability. A better team would have been

			Duncan

Biggart		Sharples	Rolling		McVicar

McKilligan	Traynor		George		Connie
  	
		McGivern	Gorgues

but what do I know ?

A sickened Kev....
		
49.1016AYOV11::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthMon Sep 19 1994 17:236
    Ayr have been drawn against Stranraer at home in the next round of the
    B&Q Cup. It will be played next Tuesday or Wednesday. Revenge for that
    defeat at Stair Park 3 weeks ago could be on the cards. But don't bet
    on it !
    
    Kev...
49.1017BUSSTP::DREESMon Sep 19 1994 20:0111
    
    Kev,
    
    It's good to see the black and white tinted specs have finally came
    off. Dan tried to tell you and the rest of the diehards how bad we
    we're back in note 988. The long ball will not do even in the
    Scottish 1st Div. It's going to be a lonnnng season and one which
    will end in relegation.
    
    Del.
    
49.1018Aaaaaaagghhhhhhhhh!AYOV11::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthMon Sep 19 1994 20:4713
    Fair comment Del, but my criticism of .988 was justified at the time
    due IMHO to the opposition that night. Celtic are a long way from East
    Stirling in terms of footballing ability (or are they?) and I would
    have thought that Ayr would be able to play the type of football
    required against certain teams.  Against Celtic, humping it up the park
    and chasing it was not a bad idea, against ES it was laughable. A
    versatile team can alter the type they play to suit the game. SS
    himself was unhappy with yesterday's performance and I hope he learns
    from it. Long Ball is OK SOMETIMES, not EVERYTIME. Billy Little , the
    Shire manager even criticised Ayr. I've never heard of that before.
    
    
    
49.1019BUSSTP::DREESMon Sep 19 1994 20:5612
    
    The big problem is that we don't have the players to change the style
    even against lesser opposition. I'm very disappointed in Stainrod. In
    his day he was as good a ball player as you'd find, yet the side he's
    put together at Somerset has no skill and are at a loss when the ball
    is on the deck. I must admit that I expected us to overpower some of
    the oppostion with the way we played but even that is not happening.  
    
    We haven't won this season and I'd be surprised if that changes against 
    Dundee on Saturday.  
    
    Del.
49.1020BACK FROM ONE MICKEY MOUSE TO ANOTHERSSMPRD::FHEWITSONGIANTS of AYRshireTue Sep 20 1994 06:0538
    
    
    RE::1009
    
    kev,
        whits happening here, are you saying i have gave up going to the
    UTD games to see AYR EXCITED playing crap  a saturday wouldnt be the
    same without it.I'll let you off this time but remember People go on
    holiday at the start of the season.It was a good 3 weeks to pick me
    thinks.
    
     ps I'll see you at the HALLOWED on saturday when seeing I'M back AYR
    will turn the corner & beat Dundee...................................
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    NOT.
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    CHEERS 
               FIN
    
    
49.1021AYOV11::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthTue Sep 20 1994 12:4211
    OK Fin, I apologise. You do go to the games, but I was right when I
    said that it's only really me and Sal who tend to write anything in
    here. 
    
    Del,
    That's more like it. I expected Ayr's players to be able to change the
    style they play to suit the opposition, not have to change the players
    completely !
    
    Kev.....
    
49.1022You rake in the bucket for something to eat !PAKORA::GMCDONALDper mare per terrasTue Sep 27 1994 18:3825
    
    A bit late but what the hek !
    
                      Ayr United  3   Dundee  2
                       Jackson (2)     
                       George
    
    
    A poor crowd of only 2,000 saw Utd take their first scalp of the
    season.It may please oor Dan and Del that this was done with a bit of
    style and not by route one .Things are begining to click in the land of
    Kyle and I'm sure it won't be long before Simon's crew start to climb
    the league .
     
    The wee Killie tonight at Somerset shouldn't prove too much of a test
    for the mighty whites .So I will fully expect us to be in the draw for
    the last eight on Thursday .
    
    Scotsport was a joy to watch on Sunday but who where all the glum faces
    in the uncovered area behind the goal at Tynecastle ? 
    
    
    SQFHM......................................................................
    
    
49.1023KFC:- DOWN & OUT BY XMASSSMPRD::FHEWITSONTue Sep 27 1994 19:4612
    
    
    LADS,
    
        I'll go for the Giants of Ayrshire to win 2-0 tonight & Stainrod to
    take the Mickey out of Kenny (ex Killie THUG)Brannigan.
    
       Hopefully we will have a better crowd than saturdays game.
    
       cheers       
    
      fin................
49.1024WE come from the coast,we're better than most.KIRKTN::GMCDONALDper mare per terrasTue Sep 27 1994 20:4617
    
    Fin,
    
       I think Brannigan is out the picture at Stranraer after a halftime 
    bust up with the whiskey thief at the game in Dundee .
    
       I am more worried about our trip to Fife on Saturday than playing the 
    part timers from the Solway .It should be a good game and it will be nice
    to see Ally Graham getting the message from big Frankie,oo la la .
    
       Lets hope Killie's form improves so we can take them out in the play
    offs.Oh I wish !!!!
    
    
    SQFHM.....................................................................
    
    
49.1025Cmon KillieMOEUR8::BOYDWhatever happened to vanishing cream?Tue Sep 27 1994 20:594
    >>          -< WE come from the coast,we're better than most. >-
    
    Thats near the shore, an' yer team is a bore!
    
49.1026Killie? Down by XmasYELBUS::DSMITHIt's over the line...Tue Sep 27 1994 21:162
    
    
49.1027The Ayshire boys are in town !!!!PAKORA::GMCDONALDper mare per terrasWed Sep 28 1994 11:0010
    
    
    Ayr United  4    Stranraer   2
     Burns
     Jackson
     Paterson
     George
    
    
    Re -2 Seven goals in two games can't be that boring ! 
49.1028Dancing in the Streets of Raith on Sat !!!!KURMA::DMCCALLSometimes a great NotionWed Sep 28 1994 14:4910
    
    
    re : last couple of taunts
    
      What you'd give to have our problems boys...    8*)))))))))
    
    
    
                                                      SQFKillie...
    
49.1029Och the squirrels are sucking their thumbs again.PAKORA::GMCDONALDper mare per terrasWed Sep 28 1994 16:1712
           -< Dancing in the streets of Raith on Sat ! >-
    
    
             I most certainly will be,yourself David ?
    
    
    
    
    
    
    SQFHM......................................................................
    
49.1030maybe..bonnie lawdie maybe !!!KIRKTN::DMCCALLSometimes a great NotionWed Sep 28 1994 17:541
    
49.1031A good day oot!!!!KIRKTN::APRYCEWed Sep 28 1994 17:597
    
    OK I'll kick of the predictions for Sat.
    
    	Raith 2    Ayr 0
       Graham
       Cameron
    
49.1032Simon Stainrod's black and white army !!!KIRKTN::GMCDONALDper mare per terrasWed Sep 28 1994 18:1012
    
    Well Al nobody has beaten us by two goals for a wee while now .I think
    the game will be a tight one,as they always are in Fife.So I'll go for:
    
          Raith Rovs  2   Ayr United   2
           Not Ally        Jackson
           Not Ally        Burns
    
     But what ever happens on the park there will be plenty booze n' banter 
    of it !~!
    it.
    
49.1033AYOV11::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthThu Sep 29 1994 17:1354
Ayr United 4 - 2 Stranraer

Ayr continued their tradition of B&Q Cup runs with a convincing victory
over Stranraer. This earned revenge for the league debacle at Stair park
and also carried on from the fine victory over Dundee in the league on
Saturday.

Stranraer took the lead with their first attack. Henderson's near post
corner was flicked on by Sloan and Walker was all alone in the 6 yard
box and he chested it into the net. Ayr were stunned, but as we had now given
away our customary early goal, I felt sure we would come back. Ayr pressed
forward, with the same team as Saturday, and carved open the visitors several
times before a master substitution changed the game. Stainrod had been hanging
wide left and took a knock, this meant he was replaced by Gilzean who played
more through the middle with Jackson. Ayr won a free-kick after a corner when 
Burns was fouled 30 yards out. He stepped up and hammered the ball past the
wall and into the keeper's right hand corner. This is probably the best goal
he has scored for Ayr. A very clean strike, which is unusual for him. 2 mins
later and Ayr were ahead when Paterson nodded a Burns corner down and Justin
Jackson hooked the ball into the roof of the net from a couple of yards.
The bad feeling was simmering just below the surface of the game and threatened
to ignite throughout the first half. Paterson was booked for an assault on
Walker's left leg which ultimately ended his interest in the match. He was
joined in the book by Millar and McCaffery of Stranny. Darren Henderson was
as usual, endearing himself to the home fans and further strengthened the
bond of hate when he equalised for Stranraer against the run of play in the
41st minute. Ref Willie Young ignored the fact that Walker was yards offside
and allowed Henderson to run onto a through ball and chip the retreating
Duncan from 25 yards. Henderson was promptly booked for gesturing in front
of the Somerset road fans. 

The second half started as the first ended with Ayr attacking. They began
to play some good football in this early period and were rewarded when 
Paterson forced the ball home from a Jackson knockdown in the 61st minute.
It was announced as Gilzean but later changed. From the restart, Gilzean 
clashed in the centre-circle with Duncan and was stretchered off and taken
to hospital for X-rays on an ankle injury. It appears to be ligament damage
and could keep him off the subs bench for up to 6 weeks. Ayr brought on 
McKilligan and moved Vinnie Moore up front with Jackson. These 2 caused all
sorts of problems for the ragged defence and McLean was booked for a rough
challenge on the touchline. With 5 minutes left, McKilligan, Moore and Burns
combined to set up Duncan George. The midfielder chested the ball down and
beat 2 challenges before hammering the ball past Ross from 18 yards. The best
goal of the night for my money. We were treated to the sight of Frank Rolling
leading a couple of attacks after that as he sought his first goal for the
club, but the ref ended the proceedings at 4-2 for Ayr

Best for Ayr were Jackson,George and Rolling, although no-one had a bad game.

Very encouraging performance which will set Ayr up well for the trip to that
lovely, quaint little seaside town of Kirkcaldy. We are always assured of a 
warm welcome there.

Kev...
49.1034or maybe notAYOV11::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthThu Sep 29 1994 19:455
    B&Q Cup 3rd Round
    
    Airdrie v Ayr United
    
    Diamonds crushed !
49.1035Easy.....MASALA::AMILLARExactement ce qu'il faut, Brian!Sat Oct 01 1994 23:157
    
    For information only....
    
    RAITH ROVERS    3  Ayr United 0
    
    Archie
    
49.1036ONLY ONE TEAM IN AYRSHIREKIRKTN::CREILLYTHE KILLIE BOYSun Oct 02 1994 11:575
    
    
    I see ayr are back on form.
    
    Charlie (SQF,KFC)
49.1037Only one team in "AYR"shireBUSSTP::DREESSun Oct 02 1994 15:167
    
    Charlie....did Killie win yesterday by any chance? Nice to see you've
    came out of hibernation. One result won't make any difference, you'll
    still be down by xmas.....and you can go back to sleep.
    
    Del.
    
49.1038ONE RESULT COULD MAKE ALL THE DIFFERENCEKIRKTN::CREILLYTHE KILLIE BOYSun Oct 02 1994 19:264
    
    Hi Del hows it going..? hook line sinker.
    
    Charlie(SQF,KFC)
49.1039And it was pouring as well........AYOV11::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthMon Oct 03 1994 16:4059
Raith Rovers 3 - 0 Ayr United  		Att. 2940

Ayr's first defeat at Kirkcaldy for a few years. This match saw Ayr try out
a new format with 5 in midfield and 1 up front. This was brought about by
Stainrod and McGivern still carrying injuries and meant that Justin Jackson
had the lone striker's role. After arriving 3 minutes late, thanks to the
friendly and helpful Kirkcaldy Police and Traffic Wardens (inconsiderate
people) we took our places about 300 yards from the action in possibly the
worst covered away section in the first division. Ayr however, had as much
of the ball in the first half as Raith did, only they did not create one
single scoring chance. They played neat football, mainly on the ground, but
seem to have returned to the 'let's walk the ball into the net' routine.
Gourges had possibly the best 45 minutes I've seen from him yet and gave 
McAnespie a tough time on the left. All the chances Ayr had were squandered
long before they even reached the goalmouth and the few corners and throw-ins
they had were mopped up easily. Ayr could have exploited the Raith goalie,
who dropped the ball 4 out of the first 5 times he went for it, but as usual
the ref protects the keeper far too much. Mr Orr from Kirkcaldy, sorry,
Kilbarchan was obviously enjoying himself as he scowled about the park,
being an over-officious little twit for most of the 90 minutes. 

Raith took the lead when a throw-in to Nicholl was knocked through the 
Ayr defence to Crawford who shot low past Duncan. Shortly after this the
ref interpreted a headed pass-back as a different sort of pass-back and 
penalised Duncan for picking it up. The ensuing melee saw the ball hoofed
clear and the chance was lost. Crawford went down injured in the centre
circle soon after this and play raged on for a minute or two. Jimmy Nicholl
got the ball and instead of booting it out the park so Crawford could get
treatment, he tried to start a Raith attack. The ball fell to Connie and the
ref decides it's time to blow the whistle. Yeh, great, don't blow it while
Nicholl has it, wait till Ayr have it. Why didn't Nicholl put it out ?
More excellent refereeing from the man in red. 

Second half saw Ayr abandon the 5 man midfield and removed McKilligan for
Woods. This made no visible difference to the team, no,that's a lie, it looked
like we were playing with 10 men. The front 2 rarely saw the ball after this
and when they did, were easily brushed/pushed/kicked/shoved off it. The ref
finally giving a foul against Sinclair for his 8th foul was greeted with
sarcastic cheers from the Ayr support. Paterson and Dennis were booked in a
'handbags at dawn' confrontation in the Raith box, when Gary attempted to
improve Dennis's IQ and looks with an overhead kick in the face. Dalziel
appeared for Raith with 15 minutes left and scored with his first touch.
Crawford got in behind Connie, beat Rolling and crossed for Dalziel to head
home from 5 yards. Traynor and Duncan were left looking at each other as
Dalziel ambled back to the centre-circle. I blame Traynor for not matching 
Dalziel's run but Cammy could also have come out for it. Worse was to follow
when Connie was judged to have brought down the vertically-challenged Dalziel
in the area. Connie was booked and Dalziel netted with ease. The rest of the
match was played out in the middle of the park. Ayr brought on Biggart for the
limping Moore and moved Paterson upfield but it was a waste of time. The final
insult followed. The sponsors had a 'man-of-the-match' for both teams and to
cap a really crappy afternoon, Vinnie Moore got the award. Uncontrollable
laughter was heard from the Ayr support for the first time.....

Final thought for the day.

Isn't David Sinclair a wonderfully untalented player ?

Kev.  
49.1040BUSSTP::DREESTue Oct 04 1994 10:148
    
    re -1
    
    Kev,
    
    do you reckon we'll just miss out on promotion then ? :-)
    
    Del.
49.1041Will we have 10 points by then ?AYOV11::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthTue Oct 04 1994 10:404
    It's a bit hard to predict this early in the season Del. Ask me next
    month.
    
    Kev...
49.1042Killie & Ayr down & out by XMASSSMPRD::FHEWITSONCHECK YOUR HEADTue Oct 11 1994 08:1259
    
    
    KEV,
    
        I know why you haven't put in a match report for the game on
    saturday because there is only one word that sums it up ............
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    CRAP............................
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    What did you think of Gary Paterson's antics towards the Utd
    support????
    
    Are we doomed for the 2nd division ????????????
    
    or will stainrod sort it out????
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    tune in next week for the next enthralling episode of 
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    IT'S ALL TURNED SOUR FOR UTD
    
    
    
    
    Fin.......
49.1043KIRKTN::CPATRICKWhistle while you work !!! NOTTue Oct 11 1994 08:187
    re-1
    
    I heard the exact same doom and gloom from Sal yesterday
    
     so it must be true...
    
     SQF Jambo #1
49.1044BIG game at Somerset to-nightMASALA::JROWANAuchinleck Talbot WILL be back!Tue Oct 11 1994 12:1310
    Somerset park should see its biggest crowd of the season so far
    to-night when Kilbirnie take on Auchinleck Talbot in the Ayrshire
    league cup final.
    Cup games are always special between these two great rivals and there
    should be a good atmosphere at the ground.
    I take Auchinleck to win 3-0 and regain the league cup after losing out
    to Beith on penalty's last year.
           
                            SQFs Talbot supporters club
    
49.1045AYOV11::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthThu Oct 13 1994 14:339
    I detect an intrusion into our hallowed note by a squirrel sympathiser
    maquerading as a Talbot supporter. Quite what all that has to do with
    Ayr, I don't know, apart from the match being at Somerset. However I
    will put the record straight. 2167 people ( about 6500 less than the
    biggest crowd this season) saw KILBIRNIE beat talbot on penalties.
    
    Good job you're not a betting man Mr Rowan.
    
    Kev...
49.10464,500 and countingKIRKTN::JROWANAuchinleck Talbot WILL be back!Fri Oct 14 1994 18:049
    The crowd of 2167 given by Ayr Utd is an absolute disgrace. The real
    attendance was 4,500 and the two junior clubs concerned were furious at
    the figure given out by Ayr. There were at least 3,000 from Auchinleck
    itself. The juniors stopped using Somerset for major games because of
    the same problem years ago. Since we can't go to Killie (who took
    nothing from the juniors) there was no option but to go back to Ayr.
    
             ps Hope you stay up.
    
49.1047Genuine questions....AYOV11::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthFri Oct 14 1994 19:0212
    Why can't you play at Rugby Park anymore ? 
    
    What difference does it make if the actual crowd is greater than that
    disclosed by the host club ?  If it means that the host club keeps the
    extra gate money, then I'm shocked that the AJFA don't appoint their
    own turnstile operators. I'm also shocked that Ayr would stoop so low.
    
    >>ps hope you stay up
    
    I doubt it ...........
    
    Kev...
49.1048hows Kevin doing???KIRKTN::JROWANAuchinleck Talbot WILL be back!Tue Oct 18 1994 04:425
    I noticed Kevin Biggart was playing on Saturday. How is he doing?. 
    He was out injured for a while I believe.
    Tell him his Falkirk pals and Big Steven are asking for him, he will 
    know who you mean. Hope the boy makes it with United.
    
49.1049Talbot fans... fousands of 'em!!!AYOV25::GLEROYTue Oct 18 1994 16:008
    Re: .1046, I dropped the wife off at the Talbot/Ladeside game (St
    Andrews Red Cross, not to watch the fitba) and I was surprised at the
    official attendance given too.  Perhaps the Somerset turnstiles aren't
    designed to deal with crowds!
    
    By the way, why can't you use Rugby Park?
    
    Gavin
49.1050He's doing fine nowAYOV11::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthTue Oct 18 1994 16:3916
    re 1048
    
    Kevin Biggart has played in the last 4 or 5 games at either left or
    right back. Had his best game of the season on Saturday against the
    Pars when he was up against Kenny Ward and Jackie McNamara. I'm not
    sure about injuries. He was playing for the reserves at every game I've
    been at so far. I reckon SS should use him in midfield as Vinnie Moore
    is fast approaching the worst footballer I have ever seen with Ayr.
    
    Kev.
    
    ps SOme of my mates were at the game between Talbot and Ladeside and I
    asked them what they thought the attendance was. They said 'over 2000'
    They also said it was a cracking game.
    
    
49.1051GOING DOWNMASALA::CREILLYTHE KILLIE BOYTue Oct 25 1994 23:444
    
    
    HELLO IS THERE ANYBODY THERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    
49.1052Killie going down too ?AYOV11::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthThu Oct 27 1994 11:537
    Still here Charlie, still licking wounds.
    
    You're probably correct based on the last half dozen games or so.
    That's a real pity as I'd love to see Ayr and Killie in the same league
    again next season.
    
    Kev...
49.1053Honest your going DOWNPAKORA::CREILLYTHE KILLIE BOYFri Oct 28 1994 06:415
    Hi Kev,
    do you think you could handle sitting in comfort for 90 mins at
    RUGBY PARK ? 
    
    Charlie.
49.1054Rugby Park, most expensive ground in Div 1AYOV11::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthFri Oct 28 1994 11:3412
    Charlie,
    
    I've been to most , if not all, of the "new" grounds in Scotland. 
    Forthbank, McDiarmid and Broadwood. I don't like sitting in comfort
    anywhere, I'd much rather stand. It makes it easier to get to the
    segregation fence and geticulate wildly, whilst foaming at the mouth
    and uttering oaths at opposing fans. And it's usually a wee bit warmer
    than sitting in a plastic seat, halfway up a windswept,rainsoaked
    stand.
    
    Kev...
    
49.1055From the boys in maroon to the top of the toon!!!PAKORA::GMCDONALDper mare per terrasSat Oct 29 1994 11:0916
    
    
      The Sun states today that Ayr are ready to sign Mo Johnston from 
    Hearts in a deal which see's Ayr get a cool 100K from the Jambo's for
    taking the player.The only snag however is that with Mo comes his huge
    wages and a two year deal,he is believed to be on 3 grand a week.Over
    the two year period that his contract still has to run it would cost
    Ayr 200K .Quite a lot of money for a first division club.
      After playing with a succession of smaller club it seems like this
    will be Mo's last chance to join one of the country's giants 8*)).
    
    
    
    
    SQFHM..
    
49.1056AYOV11::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthTue Nov 01 1994 19:209
    It seems there is a god after all as SS has abandoned any lunatic
    chatter about signing mercenary Mo from the Gorgie Boys.
    
    I don't reckon having Barr as chairman will make one ounce of
    difference to the amount of cash Ayr have to spend. He was a director
    before and didn't invest much. And he's to busy building stands for
    the Squirrels and ST Midden to doa ny improvements at Somerset.
    
     
49.1057Barr has a good track record of investing ...NOTAYOV25::FSPAINI'm the King of Wishful ThinkingWed Nov 02 1994 17:542
    remember he bought control of both the Centrum Ice Rink and the Ayr
    Raiders Ice Hockey team and where are they now ?????????????????
49.1058BUSSTP::DREESTue Nov 08 1994 04:3410
    
    
    well.....we've just played Hamilton, Stranraer & St Mirren taking 3
    points from a possible 9. Our next 5 games are Airdrie, St Johnstone,
    Dundee, Raith & Dunfermline. I hate to be pesimistic but if we take 3
    points from the 15 available I reckon we'll be lucky. 
    
    It's time SS was packing his bags and taking the board with him.
    
    Del.
49.1059PAKORA::GMCDONALDWe live in CELL block,TTue Nov 08 1994 06:157
    
    Del,
    
       Oh ye of little faith !!!
    
    
       SQf HM.......
49.1060doomed by decemberBUSSTP::DREESTue Nov 08 1994 08:379
    
    
    Sal,
    
    going by the performance at Firhill, super simon's soccer sensations will
    will be doomed by december.....
    
    Del
    
49.1061Bring on the Diamonds !!!!!!!PAKORA::GMCDONALDWe live in CELL block,TTue Nov 08 1994 08:5621
    
    Del,
    
        There has been some new blood signed since them and once they
    settle in we may just turn that corner .The Swedish international,Nylan
    I think his name was,stuck out a mile on Saturday at right back and
    then at centre half when Valletta was taken off.He will help plug some
    of the holes in our defence .While the addition of Bruce Murray up
    front should give us some more power in that department .The major
    problem we have at the moment is that Vinnie Moore is still getting a
    game,I would move Frank Rolling up into the midfield and pull Hood back
    in at centre half. 
        Got a feeling we'll beat Airdrie on Saturaday,but our tactics away
    from home are terrible.So God knows what will happen at Perth and
    Dundee in the weeks to come .
        My team for Saturday :      Duncan
                     Nylan    Hood    Valletta   Biggart
                     Burns    Rolling   George   Gourges
                              McGivern  Murray
    
    Subs: McKilligan,Dow.......................................
49.1062BUSSTP::DREESTue Nov 08 1994 09:4311
    
    Sal,
    
    your the eternal optimist! I've gave up on Stainrod, regardless of what 
    he might or might not achieve at Somerset. I will always remember him as 
    the man who signed Gary Paterson! Never thought I'd witness a utd player
    with less skill on the deck than big Ally Graham but Paterson is that man.
    
    definately doomed by december.....
    
    Del                               
49.1063TOERAG DOES IT AGAIN--TOE-RAG DOES IT AGAIN......AYOV25::JRUSSELLTue Nov 08 1994 20:485
    STRAIGHT FROM THE HORSES MOUTH, MOJO SAT DOWN WITH STAINROD, READY TO
    SIGN CONTRACT,BUT AT THE LAST MINUTE GOT UP AND WALKED OUT LEAVING
    FATBOY TOTALLY EMBARRSED.
    BROUGHT BACK MEMORIES OF THE WEE TRACK-SUIT MERCANARY DOING THE DIRTY
    ON CELTIC BY GOING ACROSS TOWN TO THE HUNS.
49.1064Rumour mongerSSMPRD::FHEWITSONEVERYBODY'S HEADS FINETue Nov 08 1994 21:1716
    
       I've heard from a couple of people that the Swede is only here for
    a month & he will be signing for an English club.
    
    I hope it is all just rumours because after saturdays performance he
    looks to be a great asset to "AYRshire's no'1 Team".
    
    I thought we were a little unfortunate on saturday,okay the first half
    we were a bit crap(and Paterson missed a sitter,he's got to go)but the
    second half we took the game by the scruff of the neck and given some
    luck in front of goal we maybe would have snatched a goal or two.
    
    Anyway, Airdrie's HIGH to end at the Hallowed on saturday
    
    
    fin    
49.1065Money is the spice of life.....no matter who you areKIRKTN::CPATRICKWe Now Work In Prison CELLSWed Nov 09 1994 01:3414
49.1066Money is a short term motivator.....Aye right !PAKORA::JJACKCoca-Cola Red Hot CelticWed Nov 09 1994 04:4713
49.1067AYR UNITED 0 AIRDRIE 3AYOV25::GLEROYMon Nov 14 1994 13:403
    Roll on December 17th!
    
    Gavin
49.1068The worst ever !AYOV11::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthMon Nov 14 1994 16:0718
    Saturday's performance was, without doubt, the worst display I have
    ever seen from any Ayr United side for the last 25 years. One shot at
    goal in 90 minutes. I am completely disillusioned with Stainrod. He is
    wasting the club's money with all these no-hoper foreign imports. That
    guy on Saturday, Jose Cortez, looked like he'd never seen a ball
    before. He looked like Ruud Gullit and played like Ruud Gesture. Nylen
    was no better. He got shafted for the first goal. Valletta was
    everywhere except where the ball was and Bilsland is just an annoying
    wee thug with a nasty streak, and he's a cheat. Who else........Duncan
    is back to his worst. Rolling is being dragged down and McGivern was
    dead slow. Sharples cost the second goal and Burns is a waste of a
    jersey. 
    
    The next 2 games are both away. Perth first then Dundee. I reckon Ayr
    will be lucky to escape with an 8 goal deficit from them. I won't be
    there at either of them.
    
    Kev...
49.1069You don't wanna do that !PAKORA::JJACKCoca-Cola Red Hot CelticMon Nov 14 1994 20:3110
    
    Kev,
    
    Maybe you should buy that well known Dutch trio of........
    
    Ruud Gusset
    Rene Van Der Jerkoff
    and Hertz Van Rental
    
    
49.1070AYOV11::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthTue Nov 15 1994 12:046
    JJ
    
    Don't you dare tell Stainrod about them, they'll be next on his
    shopping list.
    
    Kev...
49.1071an away point ! yipee !AYOV11::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthMon Nov 28 1994 19:4213
    Dundee 1-1 Ayr
    
    No match report as my boycott of "away games more than 25 miles away"
    continues. 8-|
    
    Ayr it seems played with 5 across the back and were criticised on the
    radio,tv,newspapers and church magazine for being defensive. "The whole
    team played as defenders and tried to get behind the ball whenever they
    lost it" quoth the Shiny-headed one from Dens Park.
    
    Seems like a fair game plan to me.
    
    Kev...
49.1072DOWN DOWN DOWNPAKORA::CREILLYTHE KILLIE BOYTue Nov 29 1994 22:524
    
      RE:-LAST
    
      Sounds like Ayr United football to me.
49.1073;-)AYOV11::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthThu Dec 01 1994 11:548
    re .1072
    
    You're right Charlie, and it bears a striking resemblance to a method
    and style of play employed by a certain bunch of soap-dodgers from 
    North Ayrshire as well. Perhaps you could ask 1 of the 6000 born-again
    Beirut boys, who I'm referring to.
    
    Kev...
49.1074Beirut in the sunWSTENG::DSMITHShut the F**K up Mr. HoweThu Dec 01 1994 13:2513
    
    
      Kev,
    
     your being a little hard on our friends from Beirut. Our chairmans
    company has tarted up their ground and by all accounts Killie are
    playing better football than last season, although that certainly
    wouldn't be too difficult.
    
     Would you agree that if Ayr somehow manage a win against Raith on
    Saturday, we can rightly say we're a better team than Celtic?
    
     Danny.
49.1075Ho Ho Ho ;-)AYOV16::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthThu Dec 01 1994 14:0912
    Dan,
    We don't need to beat Raith to know were better than Celtic.
    
    Q.  What's the difference between Cammy Duncan and Gordon Marshall
    
    Ans. No , not the obvious "One is a goalie, the other is a hairdresser"
    
    The answer is.....
    
    Cammy Duncan actually SAVED a penalty at the weekend.
    
    Kev...
49.1076AYOV16::IREIDOur day will come......Mon Dec 05 1994 14:204
	You're a barrell o' laughs.

	:-)
49.1077Your day has come and goneAYOV11::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthMon Dec 05 1994 16:313
    You've met me then ?
    
    Kev...
49.1078Missing.....from primary 6....KIRKTN::JROWANAuchinleck Talbot WILL be back!Tue Dec 06 1994 01:294
    Who is this "IREID" who has recently come into our midst. He has popped
    up in the Junior note as well talking absolute crap. Stay in the Celtic
    topic son an away an bile yur heed.
    
49.1079PAKORA::GMCDONALDby land by seaTue Dec 06 1994 10:235
    
     
    In the press today it states that former Ayr winger Barry Scott  has
    signed for Auchinleck .Scott who was an U18 international has also had
    spells with St Mirren and Colchester Utd .
49.1080Doubt it....AYOV16::IREIDOur day will come......Tue Dec 06 1994 13:237
RE -2

What crap am I talking in the Junior note?  I merely stated
the facts.  So unless you can come up with some constructive 
criticism, I suggest you stick to *your* own notes. 

CTT
49.1081OUCH OUCH OUCH !!!!!!!!!!!MASALA::GMCDONALDby land by seaSat Dec 10 1994 22:5629
    
    
           Dunfermline   6 (six)    Ayr United   0
    
    The nightmare continues,this was the latest in a whole line of failures
    this season by a team who clearly have little or no fight in them .For
    Ayr to loose by six to anyone in the same division as them used to be
    unthinkable,however these days it comes as little surprise . The big 
    question is what do we do now ? It's a year to the day since Burley's
    1-6 failure at East End cost him his job,will Stainrod suffer the same 
    fate ? 
    Its seems pointless sacking the guy only to bring some other punter and
    give him a budget of zero pounds for players .So no doubt we'll soldier 
    on a take the drop for a couple of seasons then come back up with a new
    team loaded with Killie and Hearts frees and the whole cycle will start 
    again untill we tumble back down two or three years down the line . 
    When will these directors realise that cash and only cash will cure the 
    clubs problems .There has been plenty of the country's "middle" clubs
    that have taken the plunge down to the second,however  clubs like Falkirk,
    Killie,Dunfermline and StJohnstone seem to learn their leason and spend 
    big to ensure it never happens again .Only Ayr fail to see this and carry 
    on with the same shortsighted policys that got the there in the first 
    place .
    The fight against the drop is far from over yet but if we loose at home
    to St Mirren,Hamilton or Clydebankin the next few weeks then fat lady will
    be singing loudly indeed .
    
    
     
49.1082Valetta and Grierson are next....AYOV11::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthMon Dec 12 1994 12:1211
    The Daily Record has the long knives out for SS today (about 3 months
    after the fans however) and they predict a Christmas on the Rock'n'Roll
    for the sad one. They also have a story on how Garry Paterson has been
    freed as a result of 'indiscipline'. It appears that he deliberately
    injured Julian Dowe on the training ground. Don McVicar is also leaving
    and is expected to join Dundee. 2 lucky guys from what I can see.......
    20 grand of club money down the pan however with the freeing of half of
    the pantomime horse.
    
    Kev....
    
49.1083Christmas storiesWSTENG::DSMITHShut the F**K up Mr. HoweSat Dec 17 1994 11:4917
    
    
       Couple of "fictional" stories in today's comics.
    
    1.  Garry Agnew has started training again, 2 years after being advised
       to retire from the game due to a pelvic injury. He'd be a good one
       to get back.
    
    2.  Rumours "sweeping Ayr" last night are that Mr. Souness is
       interested in returning to football at an executive level and is
       said to be looking to take over at Somerset. His good friend, David
       Murray has briefed him on "the potential at Somerset". 2 bags of 
       crisps and a bar of chocolate could probably buy the current squad
       of players. Anfield legend, Stevie Nicol, may be invited back with
       Souness. Allegedly.
    
     Danny.
49.1084Our day will not come !!PAKORA::GMCDONALDby land by seaSat Dec 17 1994 13:0510
    Dan,
    
        I think the potential that was talked about was the crowd potential
    ie size of catchment area and not the potential of the current squad of
    players . 
        It would be nice if it was true but I don't think we are that
    lucky.
    
    
        
49.1085Going downhill fastWSTENG::DSMITHShut the F**K up Mr. HoweSat Dec 17 1994 13:3219
    
    
       How's life Sal, long time no hear.
    
     Your probably correct, if Killie (spit) can attract good crowds and
    some decent players, there's no reason why Ayr shouldn't be able to
    match them. However, the club has been going downhill for many years
    now, mainly due to incompetent managers and several boards of directors
    with little or no ambition. 
    
     I think it's a very strong possibility that Ayr will be relegated
    within the next few weeks!! They really have to take at least 7 points
    from the games with Clydebank, Hamilton and St. Mirren to give
    themselves a boost for the rest of the season. Mind you, a victory over
    our friends from North Ayrshire in the famous Ayrshire Cup Final today
    would certainly help morale. No, I won't be attending, more important
    things to attend to, like getting pished at the group night out.
    
     Danny.
49.10863000 shop lifters are in town !!!!MASALA::GMCDONALDby land by seaSat Dec 17 1994 16:1610
    
    Dan,
    
    I don't think there is anyway we will beat the Killie today,even if
    we did we would hear the cry of "it was our 2nd team" and we wouldn't
    be able to boost our morale very much .
    About our future in the second division,well I'm inclined to agree with
    you on that .Unless there is a saviour in the wings !
    
     
49.1087KIRKTN::EMACDONALDI want BRAS on my CellSat Dec 17 1994 16:212
    reply to your heading should that not be shirt lifters
    
49.1088It just had to be said........KIRKTN::CPATRICKWe Now Work In Prison CELLSSat Dec 17 1994 16:305
    re-1
    
     I think you may well be right there......Ma Auld Mucker......
    
     SQF Jambo #1
49.1089A WALK IN THE PARK IT SEEMS !!!!PAKORA::GMCDONALDby land by seaSat Dec 17 1994 20:4113
                  AYRSHIRE CUP FINAL 1994/95 
    
    
                Ayr United   4    Kilmarnock   1
                 Sharples          Brown
                 Gilzean
                 Dowe
                 Rolling
    
    
    SQFHM...
    
    
49.1090???????MASALA::GMCDONALDby land by seaSun Dec 18 1994 11:0812
    
      More stuff in the Sunday Papers about the "Souness takeover bid",Ayr
    chairman Bill Barr it seems can neither comfirm or deny that any talks
    have taken place and states that everything will become more clear this 
    week .
      The Sunday Post claims that there was a meeting between the Souness 
    camp and Ayr's main share holders Barr,Smith and Cameron was held last
    Wednesday .
      Food for thought but I still have the feeling that we've had our
    chance with Murray .
    
    SQFHM...
49.1091Ho Ho Ho !AYOV11::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthMon Dec 19 1994 15:18133
Ayrshire Cup Final 1994/95

Ayr United 4 - 1 Kilmarnock

Well, where do I start ? Should I mention the fact that all the Kilmarnock
fans were 'bringing calculators' to tot up there score (pretty sad if they
can't count to one). Perhaps I'll just stick to the actual game itself.

A crowd of 3467 braved the horrendous weather to witness one of the most
emphatic derby victories ever by Ayr United. After last week's drubbing at
Dunfermline, hopes were not high for a victory and as Kilmarnock fielded a
side containing only 3 untried players, the omens were that Ayr would again
be on the receiving end from their Ayrshire neighbours for the 4th year in
a row. Ayr were forced into several changes with Greg Hood in Greece with
the Scotland U21 squad, Sam McGivern injured and Vinnie Moore banned. This
meant that Frank Rolling was pushed forward into midfield, Julian Dowe was
given his home debut and Colin McFarlane, a close season signing from 
Baillieston was given his debut. Ian Gilzean and Regis Gorgues were also
forced to play while still recovering from injuries.

As early as the 2nd minute, Ayr gave notice of their intentions when they
pushed Killie back and forced a couple of corners which the visitors
scrambled clear. The Killie defence was already looking frail however and
Alex Tottering's decision to play 3 boys in defence was exposed in the
13th minute when after another corner, the defence failed to clear and John
Sharples hammered home the loose ball past the helpless Geddes for the 
opener. Killie were playing with the wind, but failed to harness it to any
great effect, causing no anxious moments for the homesters who were growing
in confidence as the expected onslaught failed to materialise. In 32 minutes,
Neil McKilligan took a pass from defence and split the Killie rearguard with
a through ball. Ian Gilzean pursued it and turned Kevin Doig inside out
before sprinting clear to curl a left foot shot past Geddes for the second.
He really enjoyed this and over-celebrated with a Klinsmann style dive towards
the visiting fans in the Railway End. The Ayr fans were loving every minute of 
this encounter and should have had more to cheer about when Gilzean struck a 
post when scoring seemed easier. Kilmarnock's defensive errors were becoming
more and more frequent as Millen showed why Celtic were interested in him :-)
and the youngsters Hamilton , Anderson ,Lauchlan and Doig toiled in the
difficult conditions. It should be said however that supposed class players
like Connor,Henry,Skilling and Williamson were no better at all.

The second half started with Killie in attacking formation. Young Doig had 
been spared further embarrassment by being replaced with McCarrison and as
Killie played with a flat back 4 into the wind, I sensed this would be Ayr's
day. I'm not really sure where McCarrison was playing as he did not appear
to take up any particular position and the midfield was swamped by the
majestic figure of Frank Rolling and the industrious Regis Gorgues and Duncan
George. Hugh Burns also figured a lot with some teasing crosses and a tackle
here and there (wonders will never cease). Killie's 10 minutes of pressure 
payed off when John Henry twisted and turned in the penalty area before
firing into the far corner past Cammy Duncan. It was almost 2 when Killie
got the ball in behind the defence but a tremendous saving tackle by Sharples
cleared the danger. Ayr replied with a series of corners and put the Killie
defence under severe pressure for long periods. Hugh Burns was released by a
brilliant Rolling pass and as he homed in on goal he was clearly held back by
a defender. Louis Thow however saw it otherwise and let play continue. The ball
broke to the touchline and Burns,Connie, Skilling and Hamilton all clashed as
football was forgotton for a minute. As the dust settled, Skilling and Burns
received yellow cards for a 'handbags at dawn confrontation' which the ref
could have avoided, had he penalised the Killie player who initially fouled
Burns. A few minutes later and 'the contest' was over. Burns chased a long 
ball to the bye-line and cut it back. There was no takers in an Ayr shirt
but as the Killie defence only cleared it as far as Julian Dowe on the edge
of the box, he thundered it past Geddes for number 3. Delirium ensued as 
the Somerset End went mad. Songs were trotted out which I had almost forgotten
the words to as the fans danced, sang and generally ripped the pish out the
poor Kilmarnock team and support. A few minutes later and it should have been 
4. A corner from Burns saw 4 Ayr players attack the ball, which ended up in
Floppy Geddes' arms inside the net. The ref , obviously attempting to spare
the blushes of the 'Premier League' side , chalked it off. The repreive was
shortlived however as Gilzean received the ball on the right touchline and
hooked over an inviting left-foot cross which Geddes came out for. He did not
get it. Frank Rolling did. A tremendous diving header. The net bulged.
The Killie faithful trudged towards the exit and home to the wastelands.
5 minutes more partying and the ref whistled the end of a 90 minute shafting
that would have made Julian Clary weak at the knees. The cup was back from a 
3-year sojourn in Beirut. Back in it's rightful place. Confusion reigned as
the cup appeared, but no-one arrived to present it. After a couple of minutes,
Hugh Burns presented it to himself as the fans belted out 'Simply The Best'
along with the tannoy. Ian Gilzean,the shy retiring chap that he is, was at this
moment, dancing, waving and saying cheerio to the few remaining Killie boys
who were unlucky enough to be stuck in the ground as the cup was presented.
A couple of them responded by raising two fingers of each hand. I think they
had used their calculators to count Ayr's goals........or maybe not ;-)))

Let's keep this in perspective however. Killie were crap. We've had much
harder games in the league this year and there will be more to come. 
Ayr's players responded to last week's defeat magnificently and even the
most biased and arrogant Beirut boys (hello Charlie !)would have to admit
they played well. (That's if they were actually at the game that is)

Ayr United.

Duncan - rarely troubled, but 2 excellent point blank stops in second half
McKilligan - worked hard, solid in defence
Connie - settling into left back position well
McFarlane - outstanding debut for the ex-Junior. One for the future.
Rolling - faultless, a class apart, stunning goal
Sharples - excellent match, rock solid with McFarlane
Burns - some telling passes and more commitment than of late
George -  as usual, hard as nails, never gave an inch
Gilzean - best game yet in an Ayr jersey. scored one and made one, good dancer
Dowe - impressive debut, took goal well, could be a real find.
Gorgues - back to his best, teased the defence all afternoon
Jackson - came on for Dowe. Little time to shine, but troubled defence with pace
Tannock - on for Gorgues. Will benefit from playing in a winning team.


Kilmarnock

Geddes - "Santa" to the Ayr fans. Can't see why Totten dropped him.
Hamilton - sad debut. clueless against the guile of Regis Gorgues
Anderson - lost his way in the second half
Lauchlan - one for the future :-)
Doig - never recovered from losing second goal. subbed at half time
Millen - if this was the shop window, he'll be a January sale bargain
Brown - a wee thug. obviously learned how to elbow from Bobby the Jobby. subbed
	before he got sent off
Henry -  the only Killie player to get pass marks
Williamson - stunningly untalented. the end is nigh !
Connor - hasn't his career taken a nose-dive ? sad return for an ex-favourite
Skilling - was he playing ? needs more time to recover from his injury.
McCarrison - ditto
Roberts - the wonder-kid failed to add anything to his lifeless team-mates.


No doubt we'll hear all the usual disclaimers about 'reserves' and 'we're
concentrating on the league', but Killie had supposedly a few hundred grands
worth of 'talent' on display and they were very poor. When you're an Ayr fan,
every victory is worth savouring. I'll have a nice Christmas. Hope you do too.


Kev...
49.1092Christmas come's early for Ayr utd fansSSMPRD::FHEWITSONMon Dec 19 1994 22:5016
    
    Kev,
    
       That was a fine match report you've written.Just about as good as
    the Joyous occasion itself.
       It was our best performance of the season so far & we must carry
    this over into the league,if we played like that everyweek we wouldn't
    be sitting where we are just now.
       
       It was good to see all the Black Greetin faces heading home at
    4.30pm. Going home for a rake in their buckets ?????????
    
    
    
    
      
49.1093MERRY CHRISTMAS...AYOV25::GLEROYThu Dec 22 1994 14:0911
    All the seasonal best to all in Note 49.  I take it you liked our
    Christmas present then!
    
    No excuses!  Even with the team we fielded, I thought we should have
    won.  If you can carry that kind of committment on to your next few
    league games, you should end your season in mid-table.  Same as us
    hopefully.
    
    Regards
    
    Gavin
49.1094Dreams CAN come trueKIRKTN::JROWANAuchinleck Talbot WILL be back!Wed Dec 28 1994 18:3512
    Happy new year to one and all. This will probably be our last new year 
    working for D.E.C. at SQF.  Motorola probably won't let us keep the
    notes conference so my wishes for '95 are as follows..............
    
               Auchinleck to win Junior cup.
    
               Ayr Utd to win 1st Division.
    
               Killie to win a european place.
    
    Och well........ we can all dream.
    
49.1095ONLY ONE TEAM IN AYRSHIREKIRKTN::CREILLYTHE KILLIE BOYFri Jan 06 1995 15:143
    
    Hello is there anybody there ????????????
    
49.1096Like who, for instance ?AYOV29::DUTY93_MALCOoh, ooh, Mr PeevelyFri Jan 06 1995 15:161
    
49.1097Or there's nobody here but us chickens ?AYOV29::DUTY93_MALCOoh, ooh, Mr PeevelyFri Jan 06 1995 15:191
    
49.1098Cue more wasted diskspace....AYOV11::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthFri Jan 06 1995 15:5411
    re. 1095
    
    Yes Charlie, still here. Did you enjoy the Ayrshire Cup Final ? Just
    in case you missed the score it was 4-1 to Ayr. I have saved several
    press cuttings for you, what's your internal mail address ? ;-)
    
    re 1096,1097
    
    Oh God, Ayr's answer to JBG and JB. Spare us.
    
    Kev....
49.1099And some more ...AYOV29::DUTY93_MALCOoh, ooh, Mr PeevelyFri Jan 06 1995 16:416
    
    	I'm sorry Kev, but I just couldn't stop myself. I'll delete them if
    you feel strongly about it.
    
    Malc.
    
49.1100Another milestoneWSTENG::DSMITHShut the F**K up Mr. HoweFri Jan 06 1995 16:559
    
    
     Don't bother, it means we don't have to wait other week or two to
    get to note 1100!!!
    
     Danny.
    
    ps Whits the odds on Stainrod getting the big heave within the next
    week or so?  I don't think you'll get a bet on it.
49.1101Case for the defence, m'ludAYOV29::DUTY93_MALCOoh, ooh, Mr PeevelyFri Jan 06 1995 17:2817
	IMO I reckon they'll keep him at least till the end of the season
    just to see what happens. He has quite a few plus points on his side,
    I would say. He kept Ayr Utd in the 1st division last season (admittedly
    by the skin of his teeth), he is arguably the highest profile manager
    in the first div and has a lot of contacts and thereby 'clout' throughout
    the game. When Rangers got Souness as their manager a lot of big(ish)
    name players joined Rangers purely because of who Souness was, and I
    think probably Ayr Utd were hoping for the same effect with Simes. To
    a much lesser degree I think that has happened with all the foreigners
    that have arrived. Maybe he just needs a wee bit more luck.

	And at the end of the day who would they get to replace him who is
    going to be that much better ?

    Malc (I can be serious when I want to be).

49.1102Simon OK by meAYOV27::FW_TEMP01John Hussey - Exiled in jocko landFri Jan 06 1995 18:0313
I think Stainrod not doing too bad a job really considering he has no money to 
buy any decent players.  It seems to me as if the Ayr board are more interested
in working their way up the SFA/League organisation than actually seeing Ayr
being succesfull.

I think the lack of ambition filters its way down to the players who know that
they'll receive a nice cheque at the end of the season when there all released.
Even Greg Hood the captain is considering going to Arbroath in some sort of
coaching capacity.

Anyway he's English so he can't be that bad!

PS. I believe Ayr escaped relagation by 6 points last year (Hardly skin of teeth)
49.1103GuiltyAYOV11::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthFri Jan 06 1995 18:0828
    
    The case against....
    
    He inherited a team of old puddens who he replaced with young puddens.
    The team lay in the same position at the end of the season as when he
    joined them. No great improvement there. When any club gets a new 
    manager, there is a certain honeymoon period where the players are
    start trying again. Witness a couple of rare away victories when SS
    joined up. Ayr stayed in the first Division by 6 points. He has spent
    a lot of money signing foreign imports with no feeling for the club
    and no loyalty to the jersey. Gilzean ,Dowe and Jackson haven't shown
    the same effort as Ross Jack did when he played. Only Duncan George
    puts his heart into it in midfield and Sharples in defence. Paterson
    proved to be a big eejit who spent too much time partying ( and before
    anyone says that's slander, it's only slander if it ain't true and I
    know it's true !), that was 20K down the pan. Valetta is rubbish.
    Gourges flatters to deceive, has anyone ever seen him beat a player ?
    The players do not gel often enough to be called a team, they barely
    string 2 passes together and generally don't look interested. I woud
    keep Duncan,McKilligan,Sharples,Hood,Rolling,George,Traynor and the
    rest can take a hike. Ayr are about to post record losses and reports
    are that Cameron has had to sink money in to keep the bank happy.
    Reports also say the players have already been told they are going part
    time next year, no matter if they stay up or go down. There's a real
    incentive to play well. I reckon, if Ayr lose on Saturday, SS will on
    the rock & roll by Monday.
    
    Kev...
49.1104AYOV11::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthFri Jan 06 1995 18:1412
    re .1102
    
    I think it's Hugh Burns that's applied for the post of manager at
    Arbroath, Greg Hood is only 20 !
    
    If you had actually been at some of the games recently, you may not
    feel that Simon is "OK by You" Just because he's English, does not make
    him a good manager (I'm thinking of Graham Taylor, Terry Butcher etc).
    
    I reckon he's on borrowed time...
    
    Kev..
49.1105I call on the jury for mercy ...AYOV29::DUTY93_MALCOoh, ooh, Mr PeevelyFri Jan 06 1995 19:0515
    
    	Call me psychic if you like, but I get this strange feeling that
    Our Simon wasn't on your Christmas card list last year.
    
    	I still stand by what I said earlier. It wasn't that long ago that
    you won a cup if my memory serves me correctly this time, and it would
    only take a couple of decent results to start clawing your way back
    up the league again. And at the end of the day who is the mug that is
    going to take over ? (funny you mentioned Terry Butcher...)
    
    Malc.
    
    PS I think I last saw Ayr play 20 years ago. Aberdeen beat them 7-0.
    Is Rikki Fleming still getting a game ?
    
49.1106I'm on a roll now....AYOV11::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthFri Jan 06 1995 19:2725
    Psychic,
    
    SS is a decent sort of bloke away from footy. As a manager, he sucks.
    Motivation is needed at the moment and you don't get it by slagging
    players off in the press every time the team lose. Yeah we won a cup,
    against our poxy near-neighbours. It doesn't actually get us any points
    though and we're now in a situation where we're 3 points below
    Stranraer, who had 7 ex Ayr players in their team on Monday. That's 7
    players deemed not good enough to don the black and white. It's going
    to take a minor miracle to keep Ayr in the league. There are 16 games
    left, 48 points up for grabs. I think, considering we've taken 13
    points from the previous 60, I'm entitled to be pissed off. As for who
    is the next diddy in the manager's chair, you'd be surprised how many
    applicants there would be for the job. Arbroath for instance had eleven
    people applying for a job where the door in is a revolving one that
    spews the same guy out in 4-5 months. At 30K a year, I'd jack in DEC
    and be Ayr manager given a chance. Seriously though, Sanny McAnespie of
    Stranraer is being widely touted as a possible replacement. He at least
    has a feeling for the club (16 years as a player) and knows that
    results on the park are more important than looking good in McArthur's
    on a Saturday night.
    
    Rikki Fleming ? I think he retired a couple of months ago....
    
    Kev...
49.1107Taxi for Mr Stainrod!AYOV29::DUTY93_MALCOoh, ooh, Mr PeevelyFri Jan 06 1995 19:419
    
    	I fear I will have to bow to your far superior local knowledge, Kev.
    Putting in a mention for Rikki Fleming was my last hope. I did once go
    and see Ayr Utd reserves play Rangers reserves at Somerset Park. Ayr
    won 1-0, Rangers had Derek Johnstone playing centre half and had two
    players sent off (oh dear how sad never mind ...)
    
    	The defence rests.
    
49.1108Hold the taxi for a week or two...AYOV11::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthMon Jan 09 1995 11:408
    Every Friday from now until the end of the season, I shall launch into
    a tirade against the team in the hope that it has the same effect as it
    did on Saturday. For anyone who missed it, the luck finally went our
    way. A Frank Rolling shot from 25 yards slipped through the keepers
    arms and legs and trickled over the line and Bissy hammered home a
    second in the last minute to seal the victory.
    
    Kev...
49.1109Simon Stainrod - Manager of the MonthAYOV29::DUTY93_MALCOoh, ooh, Mr PeevelyFri Jan 13 1995 16:5615
    
    	Kev, I'm looking forward to your promised Friday afternoon team talk.
    In case you need some ammunition to start you off :
    
    	Simon Stainrod is showing true managerial qualities by using the
    famous reverse psychology trick of slagging off his own players in
    public to spur them on to greater efforts once they make it onto the
    pitch. He is setting himself up to be Ayr manager for the next 10 years
    at least and may even beat Jim Smiler McLean's record as the longest
    serving manager in Scottish football (or was it Eddie Foulmouth Hunter).
    This time next month Ayr could be on the fringes of promotion ! (Did
    anybody else just see that pig flying past ?)
    
    Malc.
    
49.1110Paul Sturrock's Blue and white armyMASALA::CREILLYTHE KILLIE BOYTue Jan 17 1995 23:395
     
    Hi Kev, Where is the team talk ?
    
    Charlie.
            
49.1111SS MUST STAYMASALA::CREILLYTHE KILLIE BOYMon Jan 23 1995 12:164
    
    Is there anybody there ????????????????????????????????????.
    
    Charlie (SQF,KFC)
49.1112You only note when your winning....AYOV11::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthMon Jan 23 1995 18:195
    Roll on June 26th.
    
    Motorola don't like notes files.........;^)
    
    Kev....
49.1113HOOK LINE AND SINKER.MASALA::CREILLYTHE KILLIE BOYMon Jan 23 1995 21:5411
49.11148-))))))AYOV11::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthTue Jan 24 1995 12:1323
    Oh how silly of me not to notice you were winding me up. Gosh I'm
    gullible. I'm having real trouble getting that hook out after snaffling
    your tasty bait.....
    
    NOT !
    
    Get a life Charlie, your notes are almost always crap. Nothing of any
    interest. No match reports (but then you don't go to the games do you?)
    full of really good spelling mistakes (is this a requirement when you
    support Beirut ?) and you put more notes in 49 than 50. I reckon your
    a closet Ayr fan. You spend more time in 49. 
    
    As for not wanting to read my notes....NEXT UNSEEN works for me, or at
    least when I see another of your witticisms on my screen. No one forces
    you to read anything......oh damn, there I am again. Rising to the bait
    I really must learn
    
    Hugs,
    Kev...
    
    ps
    
    4-1
49.1115Utd fans dancing in the streets of Raith??SSMPRD::FHEWITSONOnly Houdini can help us nowWed Jan 25 1995 01:2116
    
    
    Airdrie 2	 Ayr utd 2
                Gilzean
                Rolling
    
    Kev,
         If you were there can you give us a match report???
         I didnt bother to make the trip as I'm Nightshift.
    
         I seen on teletext we were winning 2-1 before Airdrie got a
    penalty to level the scoring....
    
        cheeers 
       fin...
    
49.1116Loads of goals.WSTENG::DSMITHShut the F**K up Mr. HoweWed Jan 25 1995 03:569
    
    
     Utd back on form perhaps? Well, last night they doubled the number of
    goals they've scored away from home this season, a grand total of 4.
    Whit's the chances of an away victory before the end of the season?
    Thats us within 2 points of St. Mirren and 3 behind Clydebank, so still
    a reasonable chance of avoiding the dreaded drop into the wilderness.
    
     Danny.
49.1117DOWN DOWN DOWN DOWN DOWN DOWN DOWN DOWN DOWNMASALA::CREILLYTHE KILLIE BOYThu Feb 02 1995 06:054
    
    Utd are back on form perhaps,NOT.
    
    Charlie.
49.1118AYOV11::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthThu Feb 02 1995 11:476
    18-12-94
    
    four-one
    
    
    nuff said
49.1119Slag united????MASALA::IMCNEILwot no beerSun Feb 05 1995 00:2311
    
      raith rovers 2 Ayr United 1  another rotten result,when will it ever
      end, Is B Barr ever going to do anything to stop this decline.
      
      The man in question was in the daily ranger or celtic or what ever
      the bigots call it last week,and it mentioned about his "beloved"
      Ayr Utd. That's a F***king Joke EH!!!!
    
                                                Sic.
    
     
49.1120Attention Division 2.WSTENG::DSMITHShut the F**K up Mr. HoweSun Feb 05 1995 19:0117
    
    
      re last
    
     You surely don't expect Barr to dip into his pockets and supply the
    kind of money needed at Somerset do you? He may have plans for 
    Somerset, but he'll probably demolish it and use it as a central
    location for his building empire. Where the team will play is anyone's
    guess.
    
     Barr Construction have been adding the pieces of lego to the newly
    refurbished Rugby Park, looked good on TV last night :-(, are also
    involved in the new stadium at Love Street and Firhill I think. Barr
    is also quoted as being heavily involved in some stadium upgrades down
    south. Now, wonder when he'll start on Somerset.
    
     Danny.
49.1121some where over the rainbowMASALA::IMCNEILwot no beerMon Feb 06 1995 05:4815
    
       re last, 
               Your right I,m not that naive as to think Barr would
               open his bank book and let his reddies flow into somerset.
    
               What I can't understand is why did he come back to the club
               become chairman and then want to sit in that old wooden
               stand and watch the club go down the toilet.
               
               On a different note do you think SMcAnespie will be the next
               manager.He's done not a bad job down the road.
    
          
              
     
49.1122I THINK MR BARR SHOULD STAYMASALA::CREILLYTHE KILLIE BOYTue Feb 07 1995 19:228
    
    Ian, look at it this way,would you go into a betting shop and put money
    on something that was not going to win anything(ever)? I think thats
    the way Mr Barr is looking at it.
    
    nuff said.
    
    Charlie (sqf,KFC).
49.1123not e nuff said.MASALA::IMCNEILwot no beerTue Feb 07 1995 22:354
    
        Christ, Charlie actually wrote more than one line!!!!
                send for Athur C Clarke to investigate this wonder????
    
49.1124AYOV11::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthThu Feb 09 1995 15:3115
    Not only did he write more than one line, it only contained one
    grammatical error and
    
    
    wait for it....
    
    
    No spelling mistakes !!!
    
    
    Have a lie down now Charlie....
    
    
    Hugs,
    Kev.....
49.1125I'd see anyone for nowtAYOV27::FW_TEMP01John Hussey - Ayr we goFri Feb 10 1995 17:176
Off to Somerset Park tomorrow for the first time since the Celtic match for
SS's boys against leaders Dundee.  I dare say that all you SQF chaps are hoping
Ayr can pull off a surprise.

Anyway, there should be a big crowd tomorrow judging by the number of free
tickets going around.  Is anyone paying to go there?
49.1126Dundee till end of season please!!KIRKTN::IMCNEILwot no beerSat Feb 11 1995 21:129
    
    
       Ayr United 1  Dundee 0
       Moore 4 min
    
       Seems the great Stainrod can fire up the team well for a visit
       from his old muckers,wouldn't it be good if it happened every
       week.But credit where it's due a good result.   
    
49.1127Ya Beauty.....!!!!!!!AYOV11::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthSat Feb 11 1995 21:3710
    Dundee were crap, Moore could have had a hat-trick and Ayr could have
    had 2 penalties. Watch the TV tomorrow if you don't believe me....
    
    Another interesting result in Div 1
    
    St Midden 1-2 Raith
    
    Ayr move out of the bottom 2.....
    
    Kev....
49.1128Friendly ArrangedSSMPRD::FHEWITSONA Pie and a BovrilThu Feb 16 1995 03:008
    
    Ayr utd are playing Partick Thistle at somserset on Friday 7:30pm kick
    off.
    
    It should be an interesting match.
    
    
    cheers fin...
49.1129???AYOV25::GLEROYMon Feb 20 1995 17:563
    Well?  Was it interesting?
    
    Gavin
49.1130AYOV11::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthMon Feb 20 1995 19:425
    Reasonably interesting....
    
    0-2 for Plastic Whistle...
    
    Kev...
49.1131DOWN DOWN DOWNKIRKTN::CREILLYTHE KILLIE BOYMon Feb 27 1995 19:136
    
    Ayr 1 Dunfermline 2
    
    Another reasonably interesting result.
    
    Charlie (sqf,KFC)
49.1132June 26th - Roll on June 26th.....AYOV11::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthTue Feb 28 1995 11:523
49.1133V.L.S.I = P45.MASALA::CREILLYTHE KILLIE BOYMon Mar 06 1995 05:365
49.1136i'm off for a cup 'o' tea and a slice 'o' cake.MASALA::JMURPHYMon Mar 06 1995 05:513
49.1137going downBHAJI::CMTMon Mar 06 1995 05:594
49.1138Gizza job!!!MASALA::AGRAYThe world's your lobsterMon Mar 06 1995 06:014
49.1139Yer awe tattie howkers.KURMA::CMTMon Mar 06 1995 06:514
49.1140STOP IT NOW!!!!RTOVC0::DCASSIDYMon Mar 06 1995 14:0623
    
    
    
    
    
    Ref note 49.1132-1139
    Whilst the plight of certain Digital installations may be of interest
    to all of those noter's notes that have been hidden, and of course to
    all Digital employees worldwide, it is felt that the Schadenfreude
    expressed by certain noters it a lttle out of line and more
    particularly out of context with this notesfile.
    
    Should those concerned wish to link the fact that a certain football
    team has lost with the relevance of Digital employee status then I'm
    afraid you have missed the whole point of this conference.
    
    Should those involved in this silly 'game' wish to ignore this note
    then I can assure you that Personnel involvement will not only be a
    possibility but definitely a probability.
    
    Regards,
    
    Dezzz	Moderator.    
49.1141They think it's all over. It is now, it is now!AYOV25::GLEROYMon Mar 20 1995 01:116
    89 mins gone...  0-0
    Final Score....  0-2
    
    Oh, deary deary me!
    
    Gavin.
49.1142Sad reallyWSTENG::DSMITHShut the F**K up Mr. HoweMon Mar 20 1995 18:195
    
    
    re -1
    
     Yawn.
49.1143News updateWSTENG::DSMITHShut the F**K up Mr. HoweThu Mar 30 1995 17:4817
    
    
     This weeks Ayrshire Post runs a story on moves by Stainrod to
    strengthen the squad at Somerset by touting Frank Rolling to several
    clubs in a player/cash swap. He has approached Partick Thistle for
    Chic Charnley, Grant Tierney and Andy Gibson; Falkirk for Gregg Shaw
    and Brian Rice and Raith Rovers for Greg Shaw and Gordon Dalziel. He
    reckons Rolling, along with John Sharples and Gregg Hood are Ayr's main
    sellable assets.
    
     On another topic. Barr Construction have been awarded the contract to
    build the new stands at Easter Road. Bill Barr seems to be going from
    strength to strength as his club slowly slip further into the sh*t.
    
     Danny.
    
    
49.1144ONLY SIX GAMES TO GOKIRKTN::CREILLYTHE KILLIE BOYFri Apr 07 1995 03:5920
    
    Hellooooooooo is there anybody THERE there THERE there ?????????????????????????












      If there is,has Chic Charnley,Grant Tierney or Andy Shaw put pen to
    paper yet ?.
    
    
    
    Charlie(SQF,KFC)
49.1145Curious FAN,from AYRshire's No'1 AYOV25::FHEWITSONbreak on through to the other sideTue Apr 11 1995 15:229
    
    RE.1144
    
    
    WHO'S ANDY SHAW ???????????????
    
    
    
    Fin....
49.1146CHEFS::STRATFORDSPass the Babel FishTue Apr 11 1995 15:257
    > S ANDY SHAW
    
    Didn't she have a hit with "Puppet on a String" in the 1960's?
    
    Hth
    
    Stuart
49.1147AYOV16::IREIDOur day will come....May 27thWed Apr 12 1995 14:546
    
    Where are Ayr in the league?
    
    Esp. in relation to Clydebank.
    
    Choppers
49.1148In troubleAYOV27::FW_TEMP01John Hussey - Dunure's greatWed Apr 12 1995 15:0611
Basically if Ayr don't beat Clydebank on Saturday they're down. (St.Mirren
are at home to Stranraer).

Clydebank	p31	29pts	-11
St Mirren	31	27	-18
-----------------------------------
Ayr Utd		31	23	-26
Stranraer	31	17	-41


A trip to Somerset on Saturday to cheer on Ayr is required
49.1149KIRKTN::CREILLYTHE KILLIE BOYWed Apr 12 1995 22:4237
    




    RE .1146

    Andy Shaw is a films engineer in sqf,but I think he would fit in well
    down at Ayr as he can't play football either.
       
    Charlie.(SQF,KFC)









    I would like to wish Ayr all the best for next season in the second
    division.









    Has anyone seen my mate Kev ? is he still alive ?




    
49.1150staying up!!!!MASALA::IMCNEILwot no beerTue Apr 18 1995 11:505
    
    
        What's happened to the game reports.
    
    
49.1151AYOV27::FW_TEMP01John Hussey - Dunure's greatTue Apr 18 1995 13:041
Ayr rubbish, Bankies worse, Ayr scored!
49.1152They think it's all over...WSTENG::DSMITHSun Apr 30 1995 02:5615
    
    
    
     Hamilton 1 Ayr 0
    
     Stranraer 0 Clydebank 1
    
     St. Mirren 1 Dundee 0
    
     
    
    
     Ayr United - Division 2 Champions 1995-96!!!!
    
    Danny.
49.1153ta ta!AYOV25::GLEROYSun Apr 30 1995 14:234
    I have to admire your persistent enthusiasm Danny.  I'm sure you'll do
    it too!
    
    Gavin
49.1154Sair reading...........AYOV11::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthMon May 15 1995 14:4685
    The story of a dismal season.........
    
    
Friendlies
JULY
   23rd	St James Gate	2-0  Gilzean (2)	   BK Stainrod,Paterson
   24th	UCD		0-3			   BK Paterson
   26th	Galway Utd	3-1  Sharples,McGivern
			     Jackson
AUGUST
    2nd MIDDLESBOROUGH  1-2  Gilzean		   BK Sharples
    6th Lancaster       1-0  Paterson
League
1  13th HAMILTON ACC	1-1  Traynor		   BK Rolling
CC 16th CELTIC	    	0-1                        BK Paterson,McGivern
2  20th ST MIRREN       1-1  Bilsland              SO Sharples BK Burns Connie
2  27th Stranraer       1-2  McGivern              SO Connie Duncan Woods
						   BK Paterson McVicar McGivern
						      Connie Duncan
SEPTEMBER
2   3rd ST JOHNSTONE    3-4  Stainrod,Traynor      BK McVicar
			     Gilzean
3  10th Airdrie         0-0  -                     BK Burns
BQ 18th East Stirling   1-1  Burns (pen)	   BK McGivern
			4-2  on penalties
6  24th DUNDEE    	3-2  Jackson (2) George    BK Stainrod Jackson Moore
BQ 27th STRANRAER       4-2  Burns Jackson         BK Paterson George
			     Paterson George

OCTOBER
6   1st Raith Rovers    0-3  -           	   BK Paterson Connie    
BQ  4th Airdrie         0-2  -                     SO Sharples BK Paterson
						      Moore Burns McVicar
6   8th Clydebank       0-3  -                     BK Burns Moore George
7  15th DUNFERMLINE     0-0  -                     BK Hood Rolling
7  22nd Hamilton        0-2  -                     BK Moore
10 29th STRANRAER       2-1  Burns 2 penalties     BK Paterson Moore

NOVEMBER
10  5th St Mirren       0-1  -                     BK Murray Paterson Nylen
						      Duncan
AC  9th GIRVAN          6-0  McKilligan 4 Moore
			     Bilsland
10 12th AIRDRIE         0-3  -                     SO Bilsland BK Bilsland
10 19th St Johnstone    0-1  -                   
11 26th Dundee          1-1  Hood                  

DECEMBER
12  3rd RAITH ROVERS    1-1  Hood                  BK Burns
12 10th Dunfermline     0-6  -                    
AC 17th KILMARNOCK      4-1  Sharples,Gilzean      BK Burns
			     Dowe,Rolling
13 26th CLYDEBANK       1-1  Gourges               BK Gilzean,Duncan
13 31st HAMILTON ACC    1-2  Dowe                  BK George

JANUARY
13  2nd Stranraer       0-2  -                     -
16  7th ST MIRREN       2-0  Rolling,Bilsland      BK Sharples
16 14th ST JOHNSTONE    1-3  Jackson               -
17 24th Airdrie         2-2  Gilzean,Rolling       BK Moore,Jackson,Gilzean
SC 28th Raith Rovers    0-1  -                     BK Connie,Duncan

FEBRUARY
17  4th Raith Rovers    1-2  Moore		
20 11th DUNDEE		1-0  Moore		   BK Rolling Moore Stainrod
20 25th DUNFERMLINE     1-2  McCathie OG           -

MARCH
21 11th Clydebank       1-1  Hood                  -
21 18th AIRDRIE         0-2  -                     BK Hood
22 25th St Johnstone    1-1  Tannock		   BK Tannock

APRIL
22  1st RAITH ROVERS    0-1  -                     -
23  8th Dundee          1-1  Burns (pen)           SO Duncan BK Burns George
						   Sharples Rolling McIntosh
26 15th CLYDEBANK       1-0  Gilzean               BK Gilzean
26 22nd Dunfermline     0-3  -                     SO McIntosh BK Burns George
						   Gilzean
26 29th Hamilton        0-1  -                     BK Rolling George

MAY
29  6th	STRANRAER	3-0  Tannock,Jackson	   -
			     Stainrod
29 13th St Mirren	1-2  Bilsland              BK Connie Rolling
49.1155Big clearout required I reckon ...AYOV29::MTHEODORESONCop for that, our kidMon May 15 1995 20:1012
    
    Kev
    
    	I was looking back on our conversation a couple of months ago when
    you were advocating the production of a P45 for Big Simon in view of
    results at that time. In the light of more recent results and Ayrs
    subsequent relegation do you not think it is strange that he is still
    in the managers chair now ? Are you the only fan who wishes he would
    head for the Job Centre ?
    
    Malc.
    
49.1156AYOV11::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthTue May 16 1995 14:2828
    Malc,
    
    It appears that our beloved chairman and our beloved manager are closer
    than 2 peas in a pod. SS wants to stay at least another season and Barr
    is quite willing to let him. From the 22-25 full-time players this year
    his is allowed 7 fulltime for next season and that includes himself and
    Sam McGivern. I am not happy with SS. He is too much of a poser and 
    tries to deflect the blame onto everyone but himself. Simon Stainless
    would be a better name. I don't like managers who publicly criticise
    players, no matter how bad they are. That should be done privately.
    The main reason i was unhappy earlier was due to his signing of the
    United Nations in an attempt to grab attention. Apart from Niclas Nylen
    from Malmo, the rest were not worthy of the jersey. I am also not happy
    with Barr as chairman. He was one of the main obstacles to David
    Murray in 1988 and then left the club. He has millions of his own dosh
    but wants everyone else to fork out for the club. His company now owns
    500,000 shares in Ayr United, he owns some and Donald Cameron owns some
    the rest are spread about in small quantities. He has installed 3 new
    directors, all are employees of Barr Ltd. Smell like a takover to you ?
    
    It won't be long until football turns into Basketball with fixtures
    such as Ayr Barr Construction FC versus Beirut AT Mays Travel Agents FC or 
    Stranraer Stena Sealink Ferry Affordable FC versus Dumbarton Diadora FC
    
    I want Barr out unless he spends some dosh. If Barr goes SS follows.
    
    Kev...
    
49.1157This is before the league startsSSMPRD::FHEWITSONbreak on through to the other sideThu Jun 01 1995 02:388
                     Coca cola cup draw
    
    
    AYR UTD v Cellick  
    
    Sat 19th August
    
    fin...
49.1158thanks in advance ?????KIRKTN::CPATRICKM|OT|O|R|O|L|A|95Thu Jun 01 1995 03:157
    RE-1
    
    Fin,
    
    	did you see who the Hearts got ?????
    
     SQF Jambo #1
49.1159Come on ye MontyMASALA::SWRIGHTAnything for the weekend sir..?Thu Jun 01 1995 03:199
    
    
    No but Big Derek and the Boys got Livingston FC if this is any help
    
    *:@)))
    
    
    
    
49.1160VYGER::MCCLELLANDKSat Jun 24 1995 10:5513
    Friday's Daily record carried a story to gladden the heart of every Ayr
    fan...
    
    Nothing to do with signings or transfers....
    
    Jim O'Hare , that impeccable referee has been justly rewarded for last
    years performances with a downgrading to ..wait for it..
    
    Grade 4.!!!!!!!
    
    Justice is done.
    
    Kev...
49.1161NEW STRIP...AYOV25::GLEROYTue Jul 04 1995 13:156
    I'm curious to know what readers of note 49 think of the new Ayr strip
    unveiled at Somerset on Sunday.  I haven't seen it myself, but from a
    recent description in the freepress it sounds lovely!  I heard it's all
    black with white sleeves.
    
    Gavin
49.1162DAZZAVYGER::HEWITSONFFinlay HewitsonSat Jul 08 1995 15:5318
    
    RE.1161
    
          It's a brilliant new strip and the new away strip is smart as
    well, red and blue vertical stripes with blue shorts..
    
    	  Staz has made his first preseason signing and one of his best to
    date.    GORDON DALZIEL -- PLAYER COACH--
    
          The new strip will worn with pride in GRAN CANARIA.
          
          see you's in two weeks time....
    
    
    fin...
      
    
    
49.1163jim o'hare appreciation societyVYGER::GOLDIESTue Jul 18 1995 17:052
    fin you sad git
    
49.1164He is/was absolute crap...VYGER::MCCLELLANDKThe Honest TruthWed Jul 19 1995 11:1211
    re last.
    
    I appreciate Jim O'Hare as well....
    
    
    I appreciate that he's out of a job.
    
    Snigger,
    
    
    Kev...
49.1165ENJOY YOURSELVES !VYGER::GOLDIESTue Jul 25 1995 06:5611
    The Ayrshire Cup final last year was only a minor hicup in what turned
    out to be another enjoyable season for all us BEIRUT types. Hopefully
    this year we can put things right when you d@#^%$# visit the ALL NEW
    STADIA built by your ever so generous director.
    If you have not seen the stadium in all its glory maybe you would like
    to pop along next season and enjoy a game in front of a BIG crowd in
    the comfort you at the piggery can only dream of. Hey lets face it, it
    certainly beats a visit to Ochilview.
    
    Get your maps of the Highlands looked out boys cos your gonna need
    them. (not that many of you will be travelling !!)
49.1166down but not outVYGER::BRIDGEWATERCThu Aug 17 1995 19:194
    what's up Scott,got no pals left in the k(s)illie notes file.Never mind
    converts welcome.We'll save you a space in the shed.
    
                                                    CB.
49.1167BAWBIDCFYAUVYGER::GOLDIESSat Aug 26 1995 14:238
    Yes Colin you said it, and the infamous shed is full of dead wood.Every
    now and then I like to pop down to N0.49 to see what is happening. I
    thought I would have stirred a few of you up with my last note RE.1165
    but it appears nobody wanted to take the bait.Or is it a case of the
    truth hurts?????
    
    I wonder what our crowds will be today!!!!
    
49.1168Kilmarnock's new twin-town - SarajevoVYGER::MCCLELLANDKThe Honest TruthSun Aug 27 1995 14:448
    re last
    
    Take your bait ????
    
    I thought .1165 was a direct response to 50.906 which must have tasted
    good.  Now hold still while I take that hook out......8-)
    
    Kev...
49.1169honest men update,please!VYGER::BRIDGEWATERCTue Aug 29 1995 19:066
    enough of the badger-breath-baiting kev.leave the dead-beats alone for
    now and gives us some news/match reports on THE ONLY TEAM IN AYRSHIRE 
    (as opposed to the beirut-boys who are the only team for ARSE-HIRE).
    
    
    Colin.
49.1170as requested...VYGER::MCCLELLANDKThe Honest TruthWed Aug 30 1995 10:1764
    OK Colin, here's the match report from Saturday's fiasco in Sunny
    Methil.  This is what will appear in the programme on Saturday, if you
    would like the unabridged version, when I can be more critical, let me
    know.
    
    
    
    
East Fife 1 - 0 Ayr United			Saturday 26th August 1995

Ayr's first visit to Bayview for almost 10 years was marked by the debut of
David Byrne, signed the previous day on a short-term contract after having 
played for Partick and St Mirren last season and Tottenham in this summer's
Inter-Toto Cup. Ayr were first to show when Stuart Wilson volleyed a Bilsland
pass and forced Lindsay Hamilton in the Fifer's goal to punch clear.  
The contest settled into a midfield battle with few chances at either end until
Stevie Archibald latched onto a clearance from defence and sent an inviting lob
over the Ayr defence for Robert Scott to chase. He bore down on the Ayr goal 
and hit a left foot strike beyond Willie Lamont to give East Fife a 33rd minute
lead. On the Fifer's next attack, Lamont made an excellent point-blank stop from
Scott after John Sharples' slip-up had allowed the scorer another opportunity.
It was Ayr's turn next when Stuart Wilson weaved his way down the left and sent
an excellent cross onto the head of the unmarked Dalziel who headed over the
target when scoring seemed the easier option. Wilson was again to the fore in 
the last minute of the first half when his run into the box was ended abruptly
by Cusick, but the referee decided the Ayr forward had made an illegal 
challenge and the half ended with with an East Fife free-kick

If the Ayr fans thought the first half was dire, then worse, much worse, was
to follow. It had all started brightly however  when a deep cross from David
Byrne forced Hamilton to touch the ball away from Colin McFarlane's head and
then Bilsland shot weakly at the keeper after further good work by Byrne and
Shepherd. However this sparked East Fife into life and for the next 25 minutes
Ayr played second fiddle to a hungrier, faster and better team. Fifer's sub
Struthers hit a curling 20 yarder which struck the crossbar and bounced out to
Scott who headed straight into the recovering Lamont's arms. 3 minutes later
and Lamont brought out the save of the match with a reflex block of a Scott 
effort as the home team piled on the pressure. Ayr were chasing their tails
at this point and replaced the ineffective Dalziel with Kevin Biggart. It was
the home team again however who, 5 minutes later, hgad the chance to kill the
game. Benny Andrew raced in behind a static Ayr defence and into the box, he
squared to Scott after drwaing Willie Lamont, but the striker missed his kick
completely with the goal at his mercy. In 78 mins Hildersley had the ball in
the net but his belated effort after the whistle for offside earned him the
game's only yellow card. Ayr finished the game with two half-chances when
firstly Bilsland wasted a good chance after being set up by Byrne and the a 
20 yarder from Kevin Biggart which Hamilton fumbled over the bar.

The disappointed and disillusioned Ayr fans vented their anger at the final
whistle after witnessing as bad a performance as your reporter has seen in
more than 25 years of following the Honest Men. Even allowing for the extra
time midweek exertions, the travelling support were entitled to expect more
commitment and effort than was shown.  The crowd of 748 included about 200
to 250 Ayr fans but that number will surely decrease unless a reversal of 
the club's fortunes on the playing field is evident in the next 2 home games 
against Berwick and Forfar.

Team: Lamont,Tannock,Boyce,McFarlane,Rolling,Sharples,Shepherd,Dalziel(Biggart)
      Bilsland,Wilson,Byrne

Ayr's MoM  -  Willie Lamont.  His saves kept the score down to only 1


Kev...
49.1171thanks,Kev.VYGER::BRIDGEWATERCWed Aug 30 1995 16:511
    
49.1172THANKS KEV (TEE,HEE !!!!!!)VYGER::GOLDIESFri Sep 01 1995 11:162
    
    
49.1173ODE TO A KILLIE FANVYGER::BRIDGEWATERCFri Sep 01 1995 19:1712
    ODE TO A KILLIE FAN
    -------------------
    
    There was a young fan called Scott Goldie,
    whose team they were minging and mouldy,
    he went every week to watch fitba that reeks,
    when Ayr are the BEST like we told ye.
    
    
    Regards,
    
    Colin.
49.1174PUT IN PIPE AND SMOKEVYGER::GOLDIESSat Sep 02 1995 11:1712
    
    I know a young fellow who supported Ayr,
    
    He had fat white legs and no hair,
    
    He did not hod a season,
    
    For absolutely no reason,
    
    But me thinks it is because Ayr are absolute CRAP!!!!
    
    
49.1175VYGER::GOLDIESSat Sep 02 1995 11:181
    oops...hod = hold
49.1176WANTED:REMEDIAL ENGLISH TEACHER FOR KILLIE FANVYGER::BRIDGEWATERCSat Sep 02 1995 12:1916
    HOD - is that like in something to carry bricks in;you illiterate git.
    
    
    POEM (that rhymes)
    ------------------
    
    YOU SEEM TO FORGET THE MAIN THING 'BOUT AYR,
    WE'RE WINNING F-ALL BUT WE DON'T REALLY CARE,
    WE GO FOR THE RIDE,THE PASSION,THE PRIDE,
    WHILST YOU SCUMBAGS GET HUMPED REALLY SARE.
    
    
    Sayonara,pet.
    
    
    Colin.
49.1177Stainpants must stayVYGER::GOLDIESSun Sep 03 1995 11:242
    Match report please Kev......
    
49.1178Always look on the bright side of lifeVYGER::HEWITSONFALICE,WHO THE F**K IS ALICE ?Sun Sep 03 1995 11:308
    
    
    STAINROD MUST GO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    
    
    
    
    
49.1179OPEN JOB POSTINGVYGER::BRIDGEWATERCSun Sep 03 1995 12:2262
    WANTED
    ------
    
    Manager for football team with no money,no ambition,no enthusiasm for
    the game (but we do have the AYRSHIRE CUP).
    
    Qualifications - A circus upbringing would be an advantage but full
    training will be given to prospective clowns.Own snazzy clothes a must
    but leave the silly hats at home.
    
    Ability to slag off your own players and shrug off all blame is
    essential but greatest attribute has to be you could not pick your own
    nose never mind a decent team.
    
    What money is made available to you should be spent on as many
    spanish/french/african/chinese/etc (NO BEIRUT REFUGEES) as you can meet
    on your holidays to weaken what must already be the biggest bunch of
    intercontinental dumplings in the world.Oh and you are free to buy
    another panda.
    
    Experience - no footballing skills necessary but must have attended at
    least a couple of night classes in O' level b******t!
    
    Any knowledge/footballing skills you do bring to the team will be
    wasted cos none of your players can speak English anyway.
    
    Some cooking skills would be an advantage because due to financial
    restraints (ie we're skint) you'll have to heat up the pies and bovril
    as well.
    
    
    Apply in writing to : AYR UNITED (football ???) CLUB
                          Somerset park,
                          Ayr.
    
    Using reference - STAINROD,F**K OFF YOU ENGLISH W****R!
                      (no offence big man,but you're mince).
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    QUESTION : Can you tell I'm not happy ? I wasn't even at the game but
    so far I've been told by a fellow disgruntled fan (FINLAY,I WILL
    PROTECT YOUR ANONYMITY,OOPS!!) that yesterday's result did not relect
    the game - IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN 8-1 INSTEAD!!!#?!!
    
    
    WE ARE AYR,SUPER-AYR,NO_ONE LIKES US,WE DON"T CARE....
    
    Regards,
    
    
    Colin.
49.1180DIDN'T THEY DO WELL..VYGER::BRIDGEWATERCSun Sep 03 1995 12:4214
    I'm going to upset you Ayr boys,but I am going to give my
    congratulations to Kilmarnock for the second time in one week.Well done
    boys you never got beat yesterday.I'm pleased for you.
    
    
    What's that....? There was no game on yesterday!!!
    
    THAT EXPLAINS IT,YOU SCUMBAGS!!!!%#$$#$$%!!
    
    
    Regards,
    
    
    Colin.
49.1181SPOOKY... OR WHAT!?!AYOV25::GLEROYSun Sep 03 1995 13:379
    Ouch!  Sounds like yesterday's result hurt!  Console yourselves with
    this spooky coincidence...
    
    In season 1973-4 Kilmarnock had just been relegated to Division 2.  In
    their third game of the season they lost 4-1 to Berwick Rangers.  Four
    weeks later the manager (Mr W.McCrae) got his jotters.  At the end of
    the season they were promoted!
    
    Gavin
49.1182REDBUS::SYS_167500Tue Sep 05 1995 23:296
    
    Stainrod's resigned according to Radio 5 Live.
    
    yippee........Tommy McLean anyone ?
    
    Del.
49.1183VYGER::MCCLELLANDKThe Honest TruthWed Sep 06 1995 11:2311
    No thanks.
    
    I can just imagine training if McLean arrives. Everyone running round
    inside wheels and eating sunflower seeds. Anyway when he sees the
    bank balance ( -300K) he will realise he cannot buy his way out of
    trouble and will pack it in.  Malky Shotton is still highly regarded
    down Somerset Way and at least would install a bit of fighting spirit
    in what is a demoralised set of players after SS's comments in the
    press this week.
    
    Kev...
49.1184He had to go.WSTENG::DSMITHWed Sep 06 1995 16:2925
    
    
     I suppose it was only a matter of time before he left, his comments in
    the press recently have been pretty poor. Slagging off players in the
    press does nothing to instill confidence in the players. What I can't
    understand however is that all the players he's been slagging off were
    brought to the club by Stainrod. That must tell you something about his
    ability to spot a good player.
    
     Names in the frame for the vacant job are John McVeigh (Airdries No2),
    David McCreary (ex-Hearts), Tommy McLean, Malky Shotton and Sanny
    McAnespie. The last 2 names mentioned must be favourites for the job;
    anyone coming from Airdrie will sign kickers, McCreary I know nothing
    about, McLean has been quite successful at Motherwell but he did
    nothing at Hearts and he's a wee arse anyway (allegedly).
    
     Kev, if Ayr are so much in debt, who's paying for the new executive
    suite currently under construction? I would have thought they would
    have been better spending the money on a couple of semi-good players
    who may have ensured first division survival last season. It looks
    pretty strange spending money on executive boxes when there is no
    certainty of promotion this season. Who needs a smart ground when
    you've got a crap team playing there? Just ask Killie.
    
     Danny.
49.1185VYGER::MCCLELLANDKThe Honest TruthWed Sep 06 1995 18:5514
    Well Dan, I reckon Mr Barr is being rather benevolent toward his club
    and probably gave the executive boxes as some sort of a gift. Put it
    this way, Barr the person owns a wad of shares, we know that, but did
    you know that Barr Construction Ltd owns 500,000 shares as well. Now
    ask yourself, do YOU charge yourself money if you cut the grass,
    decorate a room, build an extension ?? No. So why would Barr
    Construction (shareholders) owned by Bill Barr (shareholder) charge
    himself money for the boxes ??  The official line is that they cost 70K
    but personally, I'm not swallowing that one. 2 of the subsidiaries of
    Barr will be taking boxes as well - more money from Barr.
    
    He's not as bad as he is made out to be...
    
    Kev....
49.1186VYGER::MCCLELLANDKThe Honest Truth Is Out ThereThu Sep 07 1995 13:5811
    According to last nights Ayrshire Post, Shotton is very interested and
    would move his family north if he got the job. He is coaching the
    reserves at Barnsley but wants to move into management.
    
    Frank Rolling played for Leicester reserves at the weekend and
    according to Mark McGhee, never put a foot wrong. They are arranging
    another friendly, especially to watch him and they have another reserve
    match before his month loan is up. Could be worth about 150-200K for
    the club
    
    Kev...
49.1187IN YOUR DREAMSVYGER::CAMPBELLIMon Sep 11 1995 23:501
    Is that 150 to 200k in potatoes or midget gems.
49.1188He's worth more than Lekovic and Wright togetherVYGER::MCCLELLANDKThe Honest Truth Is Out ThereTue Sep 12 1995 01:479
    Quick, fetch me the rib doctor, such searing wit and repartee usually
    has me doubled up. 
    
    Get back to the Beirut note, or your other prodigy, #506.
    
    Kev...
    
    p.s. You wouldn't be new to notes, would you ?
    
49.1189Reasons to be Cheerful Pt. *VYGER::GOLDIESThu Sep 14 1995 00:5925
    Question........
    
                    1. Who plays for Ayr United ???
    
                    2. How is your Stadium looking ( must be really
                       impresive with those executive boxes) ????
    
                    3. What are your match attendancies like ????
    
                    4. What league do you play in ????
    
                    5. Who is your manager ????
    
                    6. Who is Malky Shotton ????
    
            These questions are directed at a certain A#@ fan with the
    initials C.B. 
       You may be able to answer the last one big man cos he was probably
    still playing the last time you were there !!!!!!        
    
    
    Yours Aye,
    
    s.g.kfc
    
49.1190NEVER SAY DIE!!!!!VYGER::BRIDGEWATERCFri Sep 15 1995 12:4665
    Scott,
    
         You asked for it ......
    
    Q1. WHO PLAYS FOR AYR UTD ?
    
    A.  Who really cares.It could be Luciano Pavarotti,Placido Domingo or
        Daffy Duck.It doesn't matter much to me who plays for Ayr.If they
        score goals they can call themselves anything they like - even
        something as ridiculous as Scott Goldie(locks) if they so prefer.
    
    
        Anyway the personnel at Somerset will be changing quite a lot as
        soon as they appoint a new manager,so what's the point of trying to
        remember all their names just now!!!
    
    Q2. HOW IS YOUR STADIUM LOOKING ?
    
    A.  Same as always mate,only now,as well as the new team we will soon
        have,we will be able to attract some money into the club by
        offering some high-rollers to enjoy their football in nice,cosy
        surroundings (and charging them extortionate prices for it).
    
    Q3. WHAT ARE YOUR MATCH ATTENDANCES ?
    
    A.  It changes,for home games we have some and for away games we have
        none.How's that !!!
    
    Q4. WHAT LEAGUE DO YOU PLAY IN ?
    
    A.  A league of our own mate,AND DON'T YOU FORGET IT!!!!!
    
    Q5. WHO IS YOU MANAGER ?
    
    A.  Well now,there's a toughie.At the moment Gordon (or should that be
    CLARK) Dalziel is keeping the hot-seat warm.So far he is leading by
    example so he stands a good chance of holding on to it for a wee while.
    
        As long as we get someone who wants to play no-nonsense attacking
        football we will be happy.We may not be back playing you scumbags
        in the league next year but one way or another we will the year
        after (IS THAT CONFIDENCE OR WHAT ?).
    
    Q6. WHO IS MALKY SHOTTON ?
    
    A.  WRONG ,little man.I haven't seen this guy play.I have only been a
        convert to the ONLY TEAM IN AYRSHIRE for a couple of years so I've
        never had the pleasure.Whether or not he becomes the new manager,
        time will tell but I'm sure that having played for the club he will
        be able to restore some passion for playing for the club that was
        missing under our last manager.
    
    
    NEVER FORGET,YOU WON'T FIND ME LOST FOR WORDS!!!!!
    
    Now,on you go back home to mum,she'll be worried about you.It's not safe
    for you to be out on your own in ths notesfile.
    
    
    
    Warm Regards,
    
    
    
    Colin.
49.1191EHHMMMM.....VYGER::GOLDIESSat Sep 16 1995 01:5255
    I will never be stuck for words either wee man.
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    so take this.......
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    NOBCHEEEEEEEEEEEESE!!!!
    
    
    Lots of love
    
    S.G.KFC
    
49.1192FEED Kilmarnock,let them know it's XMAS time.VYGER::HEWITSONFKILLIE,WHO THE F**K IS KILLIESat Sep 16 1995 02:4411
    
    Scott,
         That was a very interesting note..........NOT.
    	 WERE you thinking that up all shift??????
    
          Rovers to beat the"AYR"SHIRE minnows tomorrow 2-0 and sent all
    the Black GREETIN faces home for their "1PENNY PIZZAS IN
    PIZZALAND".Thats the only thing they look forward to on a saturday.
    
    
    fin. A.U.F.C 
49.1193THIRD DIVISION , HERE WE COMEVYGER::CAMPBELLISun Sep 17 1995 02:4921
    Dear Darlinda,
    	         Apart from enjoying our 1p pizzas,we enjoy reading major
      news articles about the scum.
                 
                                 SUNDAY MAIL 17/9/95   QUOTE---
    
      I hear Ayr United are thinking big in their bid to lure a top boss
      to Somerset Park.Forward looking chairman Bill Barr has opted to
      advertise the post and hes obviously spent hours pondering over which 
      of the countries biggest papers would reach the widest range of
      candidates.
    
                So where,among other important journals.did the advert
      appear ??? The Cumnock Chronicle!
    
      Kenny Dalglish will be running for the stamps when his copy is
      delivered in Blackburn,im sure.
    
                    GORDON WADDEL SUNDAY MAIL  17 9 95 
     
       
49.1194POOR LITTLE AYR FANVYGER::GOLDIESMon Sep 18 1995 01:1235
    Well done Fin, you got our score correct but how close were you to
    predicting the downfall of your own bunch of useless NERDS.
        It certainly is sad to see the 2nd Division title favourites
    starting off so well........NOT.
       Anyway it certainly is nice to hear from you Fin I knew it was only
    a matter of time before a real supporter responded to the jovial
    banter. Maybe next weeks game away to Montrose( a real mouth watering
    prospect ) will set you back on the right tracks..........
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    TO THE TURD DIVISION    ( where yeez belong )
    
    
    
    
    
    Cheerio now,
    
    S.G. KFC.
49.1195absolutely hilarious.....NOTVYGER::MCCLELLANDKThe Honest Truth Is Out ThereMon Sep 18 1995 11:3515
    Will you guys lift all your toys, rattles, jigsaws and any other
    crap you brought along and sod off please ? This latest string of notes
    would be more at home in 47 or 48 where vitriol and hatred is more 
    expected. 
    
    Kev..
    
    p.s.  I can only assume that the moderators are very busy at the moment
    and haven't got time to read every note. That's the only explanation I
    have for some of the puerile gibberings being allowed to go undeleted.
    Perhaps a spell of SET NOWRITE would sort out some of you notes_virgins
    
    It can be arranged for you , if you like. Think about it before your
    next entry.
    
49.1196Well said Kev!AYOV25::SLITTLEJOHNMon Sep 18 1995 20:334
I agree, and this goes for note 50 as well which has been 
rudely interrupted.

Stuart
49.1197AYR AYR SUPER AYRVYGER::JGIBSONFri Sep 29 1995 06:4024
    AYR ARE MAGIC
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    NOT.
49.1198Well said that man.WSTENG::DSMITHFri Sep 29 1995 07:007
    
    
     I suggest an award to the previous entry for note of the year. Must
    have taken a long time and much thought to come up with such an
    original, thought provoking note.
    
    Danny.
49.1199VYGER::MCCLELLANDKThe Honest Truth Is Out ThereFri Sep 29 1995 21:439
    I smell a rat, or is it a Beirut noter. Those little clues dropped all
    over the note, no punctuation, the use of capital letters everywhere,
    the inability to use..
    
    CTRL/L....
    
    All rather tiring I know, but I second Danny's nomination. 
    
    Kev...
49.1200The only way is...VYGER::GOLDIESMon Oct 16 1995 01:0645
    
    
    
                            Ehmmmmmmm..........
    
    
    
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    Go on Stennnnnny !!!!!
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    Regards,
    
    
    
    
    SG.kfc
    
49.1201go away you small boy....VYGER::MCCLELLANDKThe Honest Truth Is Out ThereMon Oct 16 1995 10:031
    
49.1202COMAVYGER::MMURRAYFri Oct 20 1995 20:373
    CAN ANYONE HELP ME I HAVE JUST BEEN IN A COMA FOR 100 YEARS AND
    WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IF "SUPER" AYR HAVE WON ANYTHING YET!
    
49.12038^)VYGER::MCCLELLANDKThe Honest Truth Is Out ThereSun Oct 22 1995 17:3019
    Well Mr Murray, judging by your entries in almost every other note in
    this conference, I would hazard a guess that you are new to notes. You
    also appear to be new to football as well. If you knew anything about
    the subject, you would know that Ayr United were not formed until 1910
    so you being in a coma since 1895, have not actually heard of them....
    
    I'll read everyone else's mind and recommend that slipping back into
    that coma would be the best option for someone so pitifully endowed
    with football knowledge as yourself....
    
    Learn some notes etiquette.......before you get moderated out........
    
    There's some handy hints in the following conference.
    
    CAPSLOCKOFF::NOTES_VIRGINS
    
    Cheers,
    
    Kev...
49.1204YOUR RIGHTVYGER::MMURRAYMon Oct 23 1995 10:032
    SORRY ABOUT THAT! IF IT MAKES YOU FEEL BETTER I AGREE WITH EVERY THING
    YOU HAVE SAID.
49.1205Black and white machineWSTENG::SYS_132894Wed Aug 14 1996 01:4410
    
    
    First note here for 10 months, must be a cracker,
    
    Coca Cola Cup 2nd round, Killie 0 Ayr 1 (Bobby Connor)
    
    Hopefully a money-spinning tie in the next round, I might even venture
    to my first game in 2 years!!
    
    Danny.
49.1206"AYR TO WIN A CUP" - HARDY HAR HAR VYGER::CAMPBELLIIAIN'S NOTESThu Aug 15 1996 16:0124
    
    
    Enjoy the fluke result lads !!!     That's if any darkie's actually
    read this file anymore.
    
    But next season when you are playing in the same division as this
    season at Somerset(bombsite)park in front of 1500 fans , KILLIE
    will be playing in the PREMIER division at a TOP stadium in front
    of DECENT crowds.
    
    P.S
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    I sincerely hope you go on to win the cup. As its a bit overdue dont
    you think ????? 
49.1207"If only David Murray ........"VYGER::CAMPBELLIIAIN'S NOTESFri Oct 25 1996 11:4968
49.1208AYR UTD CROWD CONTROL- CUFF THEM BOTH!!VYGER::KERRPSat Oct 26 1996 09:2817
49.1209....YAWN....WSTENG::SYS_132894Sun Oct 27 1996 14:4611
49.1210SOOOPER AYR! SOOOPER AYR ! HAVYGER::KERRPTue Oct 29 1996 00:427
49.1211HEADLINES---"AYR UTD MAKE SEMIS OF AYRSHIRE CUP"VYGER::CAMPBELLIIAIN'S NOTESTue Mar 11 1997 10:3318
    
    
    Out of curiosity, are there any Ayr fans out there who can remember
    seeing there beloved Ayr United in a semi-final apart from the Ayrshire
    cup.
    
    Have they ever won a quarter or semi-final??
    
    I know they've never won a final because we all know that fine
    Ayrshire anthem "Won **** all and never will".
    
    I suppose we will still be singing that won for the next millenium!!!
    
    Eat your heart out darkie chappies !! KILLIE'S IN THE SEMI'S
    
    ONE TEAM IN AYRSHIRE!!!
    
    Mr Smug.
49.1212Also the League Cup. and twice B&Q CupVYGER::BONEMI am the seed!Tue Mar 11 1997 15:358
    Yes Ayr were in a semi-final for the League cup against Dundee in the
    early 80's cant remember the dates but Ayr were winning 2-1 with 10
    minutes remaining but got beating 2-3. It was played at Dens park.
    
    Anyone else at this game I was young then, and cant recall most of
    the game.
    
    Martin
49.1213ALERT::SYS_167500Wed Mar 12 1997 19:137
    
    re -2 
    
    Can anyone remember who knocked Kilmarnock out of this season's Coke
    Cup ??
    
    Del. 
49.1214wot on earth do you want to know that for?MKTCRV::KMANNERINGSWed Mar 12 1997 19:179
    
       >> Can anyone remember who knocked Kilmarnock out of this season's
    Coke Cup ??
    
    Nope, I don't expect so, but if it helps you at all my guess is it
    wasn't Maidstone United
    
    ..Kevin..
    
49.1215"are they really crap"VYGER::YOUNGCSat Mar 15 1997 09:567
    
    
    
    Surely a team the stature of Ayr United must have won a major trophy
    at some point in there history ???????????
    
    Craig.
49.1216Never to know what a trophy cabinet isVYGER::CAMPBELLIIAIN'S NOTESSat Mar 15 1997 11:41102
      
    
    Craig,
           Dont you know Ayr's going for the treble this year !!!!!!!!!!!!
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
     1st Category       WORST SUPPORTED TEAM IN AYRSHIRE
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    2nd category      WORST STADIUM IN AYRSHIRE
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    3rd category         WORST PIE IN AYRSHIRE
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    Hope that helps you out Craig?
    
    rgds.
    Iain.
    
49.1217Black + White Sh***VYGER::ALEXANDERMMARK ALEXANDERMon Apr 07 1997 13:405
    Livvy.2	Ayr.1
    
    The slump is on.....
    
    Mark.
49.1218<we've escaped too !>IRNBRU::DKEARYMon May 12 1997 12:503
    Congratulations to Ayr United. Div II champs.
    
    /Derek.
49.1219What a chump you are Derek!IRNBRU::LITTLEMon May 12 1997 16:569
I can't believe the only note in here today is from a Hamilton Accie 
supporter but then Kevs on holiday today so that explains it.
Congrats I suppose to the Ayrshire also-rans but it still dosen't count
as a major success so the old song still stands. 
Oh well, I suppose you still have the Cup final to look forward to on 
Tuesday night but I suspect the double is on for the Killie - a cup
for the first team AND the reserves!

Stuart
49.1220Little of no importance.VYGER::STEELEJTue May 13 1997 23:096
    Killie missing relegation by the width of the skid marks on their 
    y`s is a major success is it? Ayr United have won something, killie
    haven`t. They may be in the S C final but wait until after the 24th
    before you start crowing on about what killie have acheived.
    
    J.S
49.1221YOU'LL NEED A TROPHY CABINET THE SIZE OF A HOUSEVYGER::CAMPBELLIIAIN'S NOTESWed May 14 1997 12:407
    
    Can anyone tell me if the Ayr team paraded those magnificent trophys
    around Ayr on an open top bus last night???
    
    Also can anyone tell me when the demolition work finishes at Somerset??
    
    IC..
49.1222Ayr buses still have roofs.VYGER::STEELEJWed May 14 1997 15:555
    All the debris was removed straight after the game, put back on the bus
    and shunted back up the A77.
    
    j.s
    
49.1223Result needed!BIS1::bro-ws-103.bro.dec.com::roosenThu May 15 1997 15:528
Can somebody provide me the result of the game 

	Clyde	-	Ayr Utd?

Thanks

Paddy

49.1224Ayr have won the league you know!VYGER::STEELEJFri May 16 1997 01:007
    If it`s the final game between the two then it was...
    
     CLYDE 1 AYR UTD 0
    
    
    J.S
    
49.1225BIS1::bro-ws-103.bro.dec.com::roosenFri May 16 1997 15:074
Thanks, it was for the predictions game


Paddy
49.1226Survival first , youth last.VYGER::STEELEJWed May 28 1997 10:083
    Ayr United are looking to sign up Keith Wright from Hibernian for their
    campaign in the first division in the new season.
    Paul Kinnaird is oot the door.
49.1227Barr also after Ronaldo and Shearer !!!!!!!!!!VYGER::CAMPBELLIIAIN'S NOTESWed May 28 1997 11:559
    
    Ayr have more chance of getting Arsenal's Ian Wright than Keith
    Wright!!
    
    In other words NO CHANCE !!!!!!!!!!
                   ---------
    You must be getting mixed up with radio's Steve Wright!!
    
    IC..
49.1228Wright up yer Khyber!VYGER::STEELEJThu May 29 1997 03:1910
    What a boring git if you still listen to Steve Wright,Christ what
    "station is he on now,Moon base Alpha ?"
     Anyway Ian Wright Won`t join Ayr United because he says ,
    "I am not worthy to play for United let alone set foot in such a class
    area as Ayr."
    He was later over heard  as to saying that he would maybe,just maybe
    lower his standards and "live" in Umma Gumma land (ancient name for
    Kilmarnock and other unimportant places).
    
    J.S
49.1229VYGER::CAMPBELLIIAIN'S NOTESThu May 29 1997 19:3911
    
    
    Umma Gumma land is also known as "Tennent's Scottish Cup Holders 97"
    land!!!
    
    CHAMPIONEEEEEEEEEEEEEZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ!!!!!!!!!
    CHAMPIONEEEEEEEEEEEEEZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ!!!!!!!!!
    
    Get back to LOSER NOTROPHY'S LAND!!!!!
    
    IC..
49.1230more appropriate shirleyBERGIL::BREADIEThu May 29 1997 19:501
    Did you not mean to put -1 in note 48 ?
49.1231Ha friggin haPATE::POUNDERThu May 29 1997 21:223
    Pi$$ off Breadie 
    
    TeePee
49.1232A jumped up pantry boy!VYGER::STEELEJFri May 30 1997 03:095
    El Thicko, Rangers have won the Coca Cola Cup and the Championship,
    so i count that as two trophy`s this season.
    It takes Killie 50 years to achieve that many.
    
    IC, UC  EASEEEEE.
49.1233HE'LL SUPPORT YOU'S (ALL) EVERMORE !!!!!!VYGER::CAMPBELLIIAIN'S NOTESFri May 30 1997 12:3011
    
    Geez..eh..and here's me thinking Super Ayr had won them ya pleb!!
    
    How many teams do you actually support Jimmy??....because it sounds
    to me yer a frustrated darkie who probably watches the huns twice a
    year on telly!!
    
    Championeeeeeeeeeeeezzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!!!!!!!!
    Championeeeeeeeeeeeezzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!!!!!!!!
    
    IC...UR....DIM.....
49.1234To Kunta Kintae!VYGER::STEELEJMon Jun 02 1997 19:035
    still more than once in forty years,and do you want to see my season
    ticket for Ibrox ?
     
    jimmy