Conference trucks::football;1

    
    After much demand this is the St. Pauli topic.
    
    They're also my favourite German side and I hope some day to get to the
    Millerntor to see them play.
    
    Gary.

    "Millerntor (sp?) Roar" fanzine is available from Sports Pages,
    Cambridge Circus, London. A knowledge of the German language 
    is useful, mind. Are St Pauli the only German club with a fanzine
    to it's name?
    
    Barry.

     .1
    	There probably are more ... I just don't know.
    
    Ratsherren Cup:
    
    Spartak Moscow - Bundeswehr	4:3	Slavia Prague - Hamburger SV 4:1
    St.Pauli	   - Moscow	1:0	Slavia Prague - VfL 93	     4:1
    Bundeswehr     - RW Erfurt  6:4	VfL 93        - B.Tatabanya  3:2
    St.Pauli       - RW Erfurt  6:2	Hamburger SV  - B.Tatabanya  6:1
    Spartak Moscow - RW Erfurt  6:1	Slavia Prague - B.Tatabanya  4:4
    St.Pauli       - Bundeswehr 2:2	Hamburger SV  - VfL 93	     2:1
    
    Semifinals
    	  St.Pauli - Hamburger SV	Slavia Prague - Spartak Moscow
    		5  -  1	 			   4  -  0
    
    3rd Place
    		       Slavia Prague - Hamburger SV
                                  6  -  3
    
    Final
                      Spartak Moscow - FC St.Pauli
                                  2  -  1
    
    
    Quite good result, for St.Pauli played with 4 professionals only, the
    other 6 players were recruited from St.Pauli's 4th Division amateur
    team.
    
    St.Pauli has not made it to the master on their own, still they can
    qualify - depending on the results of the other indoor tournaments.
    
    Heiko
     
    
    

    
    Very sad news. Volker wasn't only an excellent goalie during our 1st
    league adventure, he was a strong link between fans and the team, too.
    
    He always kept his good relation to the supporters, and this is the major
    strength of St.Pauli. 
    
    I remember well the first time I say him playing - about 82, before he
    went to Nicaragua for a year (guess it was against Holstein Kiel, a 3rd
    divisioner).
    
    Good luck Volker, we'll never forget you
    
    Rainer
    
    P.S. Is it really true that St.Pauli is the only german team with 
         an Easynet-Note on its own? That's incredible!
    

    >> P.S. Is it really true that St.Pauli is the only german team with
            an Easynet-Note on it's own? 
    
    Yes, unless I start up the official Rot Weiss Essen note. :^)
    
    Barry. 
    
                                                             

    
    Hertha BSC Berlin	-   FC St. Pauli Hamburg
    		
    		2       -       1 
    
    I guess that's it. Now it is 5 points to Bayer Uerdingen, we won't make
    it to the Bundesliga I'm afraid.
    
    Heiko_quiet_one
    

    
Zweite Bundesliga Nord
Promotion Round 2nd day:

FC St.Pauli	- SV Meppen	1:0
Hannover 96	- VfB Oldenburg	1:1
Bayer Uerdingen	- Hertha BSC	2:3

1. Bayer Uerdingen	38:25	30:18
2. SV Meppen		33:26	27:21
3. Hertha BSC		35:29	27:21
4. FC St.Pauli		32:27	27:21
5. Hannover 96		26:25	27:21
6. VfB Oldenburg	40:34	25:23

Some hope left. After Uerdingens surprising loss to Hertha on Sunday things
are no longer looking as bad as last week. A victory in Oldenburg on Saturday
is necessary, however.

Jetzt geht's looo-ooos.

Heiko
 

    Heard some rumours that Markus Sailer wants to leave St.Pauli at the
    end of this years round, if they won't qualify for the 1st division
    again. Is he only kidding for a better next-years-contract or are
    things more concrete? Think it would be real sad losing such a talent
    after only one year.
    
    Rainer

    I'm even more optimistic; I bet St.Pauli gets two points from
    Oldenburg - maybe winning 1-0, but this seems to be our last chance
    to qualify for the 1st division. 
    
    Maybe I'll head over to Oldenburg on Saturday to support the
    St.Pauli-supporters.
    
    Rainer
    

    
    It's always the same story with this kind of clubs.
    
    1st stage:  An average-talented team, an ambitious sponsor,
                lot of new players bought, surprising success
                and lot of media noise.
    
    2nd stage:  The sponsor looses his interest or gets bankrupt, the
                players start looking for a new employer, no more
                success and the team moves back to his roots (say,
                5th or 6th division)
    
    I'm sorry to say this, but it's nothing new in the region of
    Hamburg. Remember Hummelsbuettler SV? Remember SV Lurup (where my
    cousin played for some years)? They both came from 6th division,
    had a lot of success (played even the qualification round for 
    the 2nd league) and now they are where they started from.
     
    The only team I'm really missing is Concordia Hamburg (for their
    excellent work with young, talented players).
    
    Rainer

    
    VfB Oldenburg	-  FC St.Pauli
    		     2  -  0
    
    Ok, so thats 5 points to Uerdingen again ...
    
    Uerdingen	- Hannover 96	1:0
    Oldenburg	- St.Pauli	2:0
    Meppen	- Hertha	0:0
    
    1. Uerdingen	39:25	32:18
    2. Hertha BSC	36:29	29:21
    3. VfB Oldenburg	42:34	27:23
    4. SV Meppen	33:27	27:23
    5. St.Pauli		32:29	27:23
    6. Hannover 96	26:26	27:23
    
    Next match at home against Hannover 96. 
    
    And now for Concordia Hamburg .....
    
    
    Verbandsliga Hamburg (ie 4th Division)
    
    Meiendorfer SV	- Concordia	1:7
    
    1. VfL 93 		59:18	38: 8
    2. SV Lurup		48: 9	34:12
    
    8. Concordia	38:33	24:22
    
    
    
    Heiko
    

    
    Hm, quite surprised to see Lurup on the way up again. I really
    remembered them some leagues deeper (but I'm not so familiar
    with the lower divisions anymore since I live in Cologne).
    
    By the way: I'm afraid that the defeat at Oldenburg ends all our
    hopes and prays for this year - maybe next season we're more
    successful. Nothing more to win nor to loose: its better for my
    nerves than last years end with lot of high tension. And friendlies
    against Uerdingen are interesting, too.
    
    Always thinking positive,
    Rainer 
          

    
    Naaa, there's still 7 matches left. 
    
    I simply don't want to see Uerdingen going up.
    
    If it can't be St.Pauli then I'd prefer Oldenburg or Meppen.
    Some really *rural* team, you know.
    
    Do you remember Schumachers quote, when he left Schalke, because they
    were going down ?
    	"Ich spiele doch nicht gegen eine Dorfmannschaft aus Meppen !"
    
        "I ain't gonna play a village-site like Meppen"
    
    Period.
    
    Best would be St.Pauli, though.
    
    Period.
    
    Heiko

    Oh Gee, doesn't sound good, but I can understand them; Driller and
    Nikolic surely can make it in the Bundesliga too. Seems we'll have
    a long hard way to go if we won't get up again this year.
    
    I just recall what ex-manager Liedtke said at the start of this 
    years season:
    
      "We're no pikes (=Hechte), we're the SHARKS in the fish-pond;
       we gonna eat up all the others immediately"
    
    As the old Romans used to say: "Errare humanum est".
    
    Just feeling a little melancholic,
    Rainer

    I just have to correct my bad English in the headline, because
    my anglophile colleague Bettina just mentioned, that those 
    little fishes which are put into tin cans together with 
    lot of olive oil are called "Tin Sardines", not "Oil Sardines".
    
    But I'm suspicious, she's always cheating at me.
    Rainer

    If someone would ask me (but nobody will do, for sure), I would
    prefer Michael Lorkowski as new St.Pauli coach. He already did this
    job a couple of years and a lot of young, talented players (Andre 
    Golke/now Nurnberg, Stefan Studer/now Frankfurt, Volker Ippig
    and so on) started their career during this period.
    
    In my opinion, it was basically HIS team, which made it up to the
    1st division (though he was sacked a year before and many folks have
    forgotten this part of history). 
    
    Rainer

    
    Bit quiet in here, isn't it?
    
    Ok then,  
    
    FC St.Pauli	- Hannover 96	0:3
    
    Yeah. That's 7 points to Uerdingen and 6 matches left. Impossible I
    say. 
    
    Wohlers has quit btw, Seppo Eichkorn, former assistant coach, will do
    the job until the season's end.
    
    Heiko :(
          ;(

    
    ... and Michael Lorkowski (Hannover's Coach) is likely to sign as he
    would like to live 'at home' again, but he has not yet. 
    Hannover is in the semifinal of the german cup and Lorkowski said, he
    would retire if they win the cup (although this is very unlikely ...)
    
    Gerd_

    
    Bayer Uerdingen	- FC St.Pauli 	1:1
    VfB Oldenburg	- SV Meppen	1:0
    Hannover 96		- Hertha BSC	2:1
    
    Uerdingen	41:26	35:19
    Hannover	31:27	31:23
    Oldenburg	45:36	30:24
    Hertha	39:33	30:24
    St.Pauli	33:33	28:26
    Meppen	33:29	27:27
    
    It's all too late.
    
    Imagine we had won against Hannover and Oldenburg ....
    
    It could have been :-)
    
    Uerdingen	35:19
    St.Pauli    32:22
    
    Not good enough, though.
    
    Heiko

    
    Forgot to mention ....
    
    I think St.Pauli have deserved a *.100 :-)
    
    

    
    SV Meppen		- FC St.Pauli		0:2
    		  		Sailer (28.)
    		  		Manzi  (38.)
    
    Hertha BSC		- Bayer Uerdingen	0:5
    VfB Oldenburg 	- Hannover 96		5:0
    
    1. Uerdingen	46:27	37:21
    2. Oldenburg	51:36	34:24
    3. Hertha		42:38	32:26
    4. Hannover		32:33	32:26
    5. St.Pauli		35:36	30:28
    6. Meppen		34:32	28:30
    
    
    Lorkowski has not yet signed to coach St.Pauli next season.
    Ottens will probably leave St.Pauli and play for Meppen.
    
    Heiko
    

    
    Last Weekend ...
    
    FC St.Pauli	- VfB Oldenburg
    	3	- 	2
    
    Gatti(2)		Linke(2)
    Sailer
    
    This means Uerdingen are back in the Bundesliga.
    
    Rgds
    		Heiko
    

    
    Hannover 96		- FC St.Pauli	
    	0		-	2
    	
    				Sailer
    				Ottens
    
    A meaningless match, neither Hannover nor St.Pauli can get promoted any 
    more. Good to see that St.Pauli is on he winning way again. A victory
    against leaders Uerdingen would be fine for next weekend, cause this 
    could get the nobodies of Oldenburg promoted to the Bundesliga
    
    Last Matches:
    	Hannover  - St.Pauli	0:2
    	Uerdingen - Meppen	0:1
    	Oldenburg - Hertha	1:0
    
    Current Standings:
    
    Uerdingen	47:29	38:24
    Oldenburg	54:39	36:26
    Hertha	45:40	34:28
    St.Pauli	40:38	34:28
    Hannover	33:36	33:29
    Meppen	36:35	30:32
    
    Final Day:
    
    	Meppen		- Oldenburg
    	Hertha		- Hannover
    	St.Pauli	- Uerdingen
    
    Rgds,	
    		Heiko
    

    Done. Moved to 11.137.
    
    JF

    Just curious, but how many of the team sform the old East German league
    are still in the Budesliga? Now that last years champion Rostock is
    going down, I think there would be one, maybe 2 at the most.
    
    I didn't realise there was this much of a talent difference between the
    eastern and western clubs.
    
    Tom

I'd guess that Dynamo Dresden are the only "East" German club left
in the top flight of the Bundersliga. Rostok started the season off
very well and led the table for a few weeks. I wonder why it all
went wrong? Where is Uerdingen by the way? 

barry

    
    There were talented players in the former GDR ....
    
    Dynamo Dresden was the *only* team, not to sell their players to the
    rich western clubs.
    
    Some examples:
    Sammer 	-> VfB Stuttgart 	-> Milan (next season)
    Doll   	-> Hamburger SV		-> Lazio (last season)
    Thom	-> Leverkusen
    Kirsten	-> Leverkusen
    Rohde	-> Hamburger SV
    Kruse	-> Frankfurt
    
    
    Hansa Rostock suffered under their egocentric manager Kische, who 
    always interfered in the team's affairs. The very much respected coach
    Uwe Reinders had too leave after long months of quarrels, rumors and
    intrigues (sp?). 
    
    Brandenburg, Erfurt, Halle as former GDR clubs dropped out the
    2.Bundesliga. 
    Remaining:
    
    Bundesliga:		Dynamo Dreseden
    2.Bundesliga	Hansa Rostock
    			FC Jena
    			Chemnitzer FC
    			VfB Leipzig
    
    and maybe 1 coming up, possibly Union Berlin or FC Magdeburg.
    
    Uerdingen is a suburb/part of Krefeld wich lies at the river rhine.
    
    Rgds,
    	Heiko
    
    

   Heiko, Iam fairly sure that Sammer came from Dresden. At least he claimed on
sunday that he won the GDR league a few times with them???!!! Maybe you can post
a list of the previous GDR teams these players (Doll,Thom,Kruse,etc) played
for untill they moved west.

    Is it true that Feldkampf has retired, or was I just dreaming this morning??
I heard something on the radio but I wasn't really listening. If its true then
why???? He was (with Rehagel) the most successfull German manager over the past
few years.

                                                               regards...

                                                                   -dave-

    Sure I am, but I don't know for how long in this hard times at
    DIGITAL's.
    
    Surprising that Lurup is so strong in these times. I remember they
    had one sponsor - Uwe Einsath, who owned a scaffold construction
    enterprise - and when he took his money out of the club their rapid
    descent began.
    
    But without money it's hard to survive even in the 3rd division
    (and Lurup didn't have too many spectators - I saw games of
    them in the Oberliga Nord with 200 visitors or so). So, is there
    someone new who puts his money into the team ?
    
    By the way: Have Sailer, Nicolic and Driller found new teams 
    up to now or is there still a chance they will play at the
    Millerntor next year ?
    
    Cheers,
    Rainer
    
          

    Hi Heiko,
    
    haven't heard something new of St.Pauli for a long time - and it's
    only 3 weeks to go for next years round (or don't they start at
    11th of July ?).
    
    My expectations are quite positive, but a bit sceptical, too. With
    24 teams (= 46 matches) we need a very long breath, but I hope that
    our new coach will give St.Pauli another push to the top - as he
    did some years ago. The relegates from 1st division won't be too
    strong - except from Duisburg - (who's afraid of Rostock or Dusseldorf?)
    but only 2 teams qualifying for 1st division is a bloody hard
    selection.
    
    Regards, Rainer
                   

    Just out of interest when does the Bundersliga resume activity?
    I'll be over there from 27th June to 12th July and again from 
    26th August to 30th August. Have fixture lists been produced
    yet and if so has anyone got July/August dates for the following
    clubs: Bocchum, Koln, Wattensheid(?), Leverkusen, Schalke, 
    Monchengladbach, Duisburg and Dortmund? 
    
    I was lucky enough to catch a cracker of a game between Schalke
    and Dortmund last year and fancy another trip to a Bundersliga
    game. St Pauli would be nice but I think Hamburg's about a 4-5
    hour drive from where I'll be staying.
          
    barry. 

    
    re .45
    
    barry,
    	I don't recommend going to St.Pauli theses days. The Millerntor
    	has lost much of its flair last season. Just wait and see, how
    	things will be going. 
    
    Heiko
    

    As a regular visitor of Hamburg I have to admit that former writer is
    right ( it must be Heiko......I guess...). I 've been to HSV a couple
    of times, "um die Bayern die Lederhose aus zu ziehen"  ( favourite
    sport of Hamburgers : pulling Bavarians there leather pants out) !
    There they said that St Pauli was a club of Hooligans and bad
    people.... But at the Millerntor I saw once a very pleasant game
    between the two. But nowadays, after the fall of St Pauli, it seems not
    to be very friendly there.........
    
    John

    re -1
    
    I felt it as unfriendly when I was there.....different from a couple of
    years ago. And I do agree that it was a very mixed crowd...but is the
    crowd of HSV so much different ????? HSV behaves as the club with more
    status but St Pauli proved always to have more guts ; didn't they win
    enormously last year in the Ratsherren ( Pilsener ?) tournament ?
    
    And the whistling is something that belongs to Hamburg : I have always
    seen them as a crowd that favours the sport. When a team plays bad ( or
    have a bavarian background...;-)) they whistle, the good team gets
    applause ! Never mind if it is the home team or the opponents.
    Examples : when Ajax won, they were cheered by the whole crowd, and HSV
    was whistled out.......
    
    John

    
    re: -3
    Things said by Hamburger SV supporters should be regarded as
    subjective feelings, I think. There has always been slight enmity
    between HSV and St.Pauli and with increasing success of our team
    this has become even stronger. I just would answer with another
    subjective statement: if you like to meet skinheads and headbangers,
    HSV is better for you - because Millerntor is nazi-free zone.
    
    re: -2,-1
    Maybe you're both right - but I think that's normal. I have seen some 
    outward matches last year (e.g. at Fortuna Koeln and Uerdingen) but 
    haven't been at the Millerntor for even one game. My impression is:
    there are still a lot of folks traveling around with the team 
    and they support St.Pauli as strong as they ever did, but it's
    not that "fashionable" to be a "St. Paulianer" as it was two years
    ago - and those thinking in "Whats In? Whats Out?" categories start
    changing their minds. But it doesn't bother me too much - IMO those
    guys/girls from the red light zone and Hafenstrasse punks are more
    dependable than young lawyers and yuppies from advertising agencies.
    
    So maybe we have to pass harder times but I still believe in the
    spirit of St.Pauli.
    
    Rainer
                                                                 

    
    HSV has always been the rich club. It isn't rich at all these days,
    but still they're having their home in Harvestehude, which definetely
    is one of parts of Hamburg, where the rich and famous live. They used
    to have their training campus at the Rothenbaumchaussee in
    Harvestehude, right opposite to the Rothenbaum Tennis Courts, near to
    the University. As they were in heavy financial trouble last year they
    had to sell it, they got DM 10,000,000 for it - from the city of
    Hamburg. Who knows, what a private man would have given. After all,
    HSV still has the character and attitude of a rich, hanseatic sports
    club. They were German Champions twice in the 80ies and won the EC.
    They had players like Thomas Doll, Manfred Kaltz, Felix Magath, 
    Kevin Keegan and Uwe Seeler. All well known, even outside of Germany.
    
    FC St.Pauli, on the other hand, is located in St.Pauli. A working class
    district of old, a red-light district of international reputation. 
    The Millerntor is right next to the Heiligengeistfeld, a traditional
    Circus and Entertainment place. The Reeperbahn is 300 meters away from
    there, DEC Hamburg 1km :-). Little green, occupied rotten houses, 
    black, red and blue-dyed hair, Cabarets and night-clubs, that is
    the neighborhood of FC St.Pauli. Volker Ippig and Klaus Gerber are the
    famous players. No one ever made it to the German national squad.
    I'm not sure, if St.Pauli ever was German Champion. If they were, the
    year 1911 is correct, I think.  The greatest success in history was the
    1:0 against Bayern in Munich 2 years ago. They have never been more
    than an ordinary site. The 'Volksfest'-atmosphere and their will
    to give everything (of the little they had) made St.Pauli something
    special.
    
    Cheers,
    	Heiko

    re -1
    
    That's what I meaned with status ; HSV was the rich club. And yes, the
    skinheads took care that I didn't visit HSV anymore for a long time.
    My friends however, former HSV fans, tend more and more to St Pauli.
    They sometimes go to HSV because they play in the Bundesliga.
    And was St Pauli not the first club that took action against skinheads
    this year ?
    You surely convinced me of visting the Millerntor ( next to the DOM ?)
    next year or so !
    
    John 

    
    Good idea, John.
    Call me, when you're coming.
    
    Heiko
    

>>  The Millerntor is right next to the Heiligengeistfeld, a traditional
>>  Circus and Entertainment place. The Reeperbahn is 300 meters away from
>>  there, DEC Hamburg 1km :-)
    
    Right said. Hard to tell which place is more serious.
    
    Rainer (who is envious because we only have a streetcar hall
            next door to DEC Cologne)

    Just some questions on St.Pauli's current team:
    
    Didn't Nicolic and Driller find a 1st divisioner - I thought they
    had a strong will to leave ?
    
    Where does Sailer play next year (I have in mind he was in
    negotiations with 1.FC Kaiserslautern, but my long-term-memory
    is not what it should be) ?
    
    What about "Otti"  (I remember him definitely changing to
    SV Meppen) ?
          
    Rainer

    
    The players mentioned in the list - Otti, Nicolic and Driller - are
    in the squad. The transfer market closes on Jun 30th, I think.
    
    Sailer went to 
    
    MSV Duisburg.
    
    
    (I think)
    What a miserable transfer. That's no improvement for him *at all*.
    At least St.Pauli got DM 800,000 for him - they bought him for DM
    50,000 a year ago.
    
    Heiko
    
    

    re .54
    
    When I'll be in Steilshoop again, I'll let you know. You can tell me
    who St Pauli 'gegner" will be, right !
    Ofcourse I'll deliver the same service if you visit Amsterdam with 
    Ajax ! 
    
    John

    re: 52
>>  I'm not sure, if St.Pauli ever was German Champion. If they were, the
>>  year 1911 is correct, I think.  
    
    I wasn't sure either so I looked it up in my football dictionary.
    St.Pauli has never been German Champion up to now (in 1911 Viktoria
    Berlin was champ), but there are still some years left in this century.
    
    Rainer

    
    Did they win the cup, then ?
    I mean, they must have won *something*. I will figure it out this
    afternoon. Two fellow-students of mine are playing in St.Pauli's
    females soccer team. (FWIW ;-)
    
    Heiko
    

    
    OK,
    
    in case anybody is interested :-)
    
    FC St.Pauli has never ever won anything (important).
    
    
    Cheers,		Heiko
    

    
    German 2.Bundesliga starts this weekend.
    
    St.Pauli away to Hertha BSC Berlin. That's a toughie, probably. The
    cracker of ther first day. A win in Berlin could give'em a lot
    of confidence to start the season with.
    
    And good luck to you, jb.
    
    Heiko
    

    Just to know which day I have to switch on my TV:
    When does St.Pauli play Hertha BSC? Friday evening, Saturday or
    Sunday? It will be hard work, anyway.
    
    Rainer

    This was a "Big Point", IMO. Hertha was quite strong, as I saw it
    on TV, but St.Pauli never gave up the fight so the draw was OK.
    
    Yesterdays "Hamburger Abendblatt" gave the new players Schwinkendorf
    (sp?) and Jeschke good critics, so there are some talents again.
    This makes me more optimistic, since you need more than 11 good
    players for such a long season.
    
    Next match against Darmstadt should be different, but not easy, too.
    I bet they will play very defensive and go for draw. I'm not sure 
    what will happen if there are twenty or more players in Darmstadt's
    half for the whole time (My prediction is as 1-0, but it could be
    also a 0-0).
    
    Rainer
          

    
    in a hurry ....
    
    FC St.Pauli		- Darmstadt 98		3:1
    
    

    FC St.Pauli  -  VfB Leipzig               0 - 0
    
    A goalless draw is always somehow disappointing, but it was achieved
    against the strongest defense in the 2nd league (nobody scored even
    one goal against Leipzig in the first four matches). Leo Manzi played
    quite well in the 2nd half when he substituted Martin Driller, who
    was not that strong.
    
    The Millerntor was completely sold out with 20,500 spectators.
    
    Next game is against Wuppertaler SV on saturday and I will definitely
    join the St.Pauli crowd, because it's only 100 km from my hometown
    Bonn. Hope we can take at least one point back to the "Waterkant".
    
    P.S. I don't have all the other results of Tuesday/Wesneyday in
         mind, but the "last years descenders" Fortuna Duesseldorf and
         Stuttgarter Kickers both lost (and I think Hansa Rostock too).
    
    Rainer
          

Wuppertaler SV - FC St.Pauli     3 - 0

I can't remember another match I've been to as worse as this one.
St.Pauli had only one real chance (2' by Aerdken) and the defense
was terribly bad. All goals were scored from short distances when
St.Pauli defenders were far away from their opponents. Forget the
game, but everything else was great.

Wuppertal has an very old stadium which is located near the center
of town with a lot of bars next door. Since noon those were occupied
by St.Pauli fans singing, drinking and enjoying themselves, but 
never aggressive or violent. Somebody said sometimes ago, St.Pauli
matches are not a party anymore, but I can't confirm to this.

Though it was 350 km to travel from Hamburg, 1500-2000 supporters
came over to Wuppertal and nobody really cared about the awful 
game. Instead of whistling they were singing "So ein Tag, so
wunderschoen wie heute" (the typical hymn after glorious won matches)
even when there was absolutely no chance left for a draw and at the
end the team got a lot of applause.

And another short story (which would have been worth to be documented
by german TV): Next to our block stood a group of Wuppertal right-
wing supporters who had put a German World War II banner at the
fence. Some of us demanded "Take that flag away!". To clarify their
mindset, those Ultras came to the fence, raised their right arms
(which was called "Hitlergruss" in former times) and exclaimed some
paroles. Now the whole St.Pauli crowd started shouting for minutes
"Nazis raus" and "We don't want no Nazi pigs" with ever increasing
loudness - until two policemen went over to those chaps and removed
the banner. This was one of those moments when I was really proud
to be a St.Paulianer (and a big point for Wuppertal police). 

Rainer
                                     

    Has Lorkowki already said, which offenders will prevent St.Pauli goals
    this evening against Fortuna Koeln? I'm curious how many folks will
    come over to the Millerntor after last weeks disgrace.
    
    Rainer

    
    Nothing on the team for today, but Leo Manzi seems to be a hot bet,
    after Philipkowski's performance last week. Leo's home matches have
    been quite good so far, he obviously needs the support of the crowd.
    
    Heiko
    
    P.S.:
    	I'll bet for a 2-0 victory
    
    

    I bet on a 2 - 1, because our defense is always good for one goal.
    Keep your fingers crossed, a loss would be fatal.
    
    Rainer

    Can any of the German noters enlighten me as to the usual price of
    a replica shirt? Hopefully they're not more than DM:70? Here's hoping.
                                                                      
    barry.

    Hi Barry,
    
    Two years ago I bought a replica shirt via a mail order distributor from
    Saarbruecken and it was at DM 70, I can remember (I could give you the
    address, but today is my last day in the office until the end of
    August, so this would take some time). But maybe these shirts
    are cheaper if you buy them directly at the St.Pauli fan shop. Sorry,
    but I don't have that address - hope someone else can help.
    
    Rainer 

    Thanks Rainer. I'll add on a few Marks to the DM 70 to account for
    the cost of reunification 8^)  Actually it's one of those "be seen
    at night" illuminous Dortmund shirts that I'm after. For two reasons:
    for night-time cycling and sheer pose value. 8^)
    
    barry.
    
    

    
    Unterhaching     1:1	FC St.Pauli
    
    The first point for Unterhaching.
    Nuff said.
    
    Heiko
    

    I've been rather quite for some weeks, because of my vacation and lot
    of work after that. Next weekend I'll head over to Hamburg to visit
    my parents and this is a good opportunity to see a home match of
    St.Pauli after long time. I just noticed that they will play at home
    against Remscheid, but don't know the exact fixture (Friday evening?
    Saturday - which would be best ? Sunday?).
    
    Anybody got a clue?
    I think it will be no problem to get tickets, since there were only
    12,000 visitors against Nuernberg, or am I too optimistic? 
    
    As far as I know Remscheid is such a bad team, that we definitely
    will get into trouble - as against all the others from the bottom
    of the list. Seems to me we're only tough against stronger teams 
    - as last weekend in the cup.
    
    Always walk on the bright side of life!
    Rainer
                      

    Too bad, I'll probably be in the jam next to the Elbtunnel at that
    time.
    
    Our local newspaper from Bonn asserted yesterday that there was a
    vote within the team pro/con coach Lorkowski and that it resulted
    in a clear majority against him. Don't know how things will proceed -
    maybe with a revival for Helmut Schulte ?
    
    After that disgrace at Chemnitz I'm totally uncertain what the real
    problems are. If my long-term-memory works properly, the last time
    I saw St.Pauli on a relegates position in the 2nd league was in 84
    (when they had to go back to the Oberliga Nord for one year).
    
    Cheers,
    Rainer
                                 

    
    No, the vote was made in the HSV, resulting in a 14:3 against Coordes.
    
    Lorkowski, however, has announced, that only those players will be 
    playing on Friday, which agree to donate their fee to the 'Alsterdorfer
    Anstalten', if St.Pauli doesn't win. He hopes that this action will
    force the players to *fight* for victory again.
    
    Heiko
    

    Great idea. So it will be a win anyway: either for the Blind and the
    Lame (against Remscheid) or for the Handicapped at Alsterdorf.
    
    Har, har, har
    Rainer

    
    So then,
    
    	Lorko is out.
    
    After a statement of the team in yesterday's press in which the team
    critizised his ideas and style ('won't let him blackmail us etc.'),
    Michael Lorkowski has been suspended in the afternonn. 
    New coach is Seppo Eichkorn, former coach of the St.Pauli amateur team.
    
    Thats 2 Sackings on 10 square-km in 2 days :-)
    
    Heiko
    

Though Bonn is a little town and our local press is quite provincial,
sometimes they can hear the grass grow:  
  
>>  Our local newspaper from Bonn asserted yesterday that there was a
>>  vote within the team pro/con coach Lorkowski and that it resulted
>>  in a clear majority against him. 

This was a short episode - I didn't expect that when he started his job
in summer and I was sure he was the right man for St.Pauli. But IMO he
made a lot of mistakes so the decision was correct:
  - always changing the offensive players doesn't rise flexibility
    but it makes them feel uncertain - not only the young ones 
  - the defense was as unstable as never before - all his steps to
    improve this (changing the libero etc.) brought up nothing.
Now the decision is made without long discussions and delays and there
is still enough time to change things during this years season.

>>  Don't know how things will proceed - maybe with a revival 
>>  for Helmut Schulte ?
    
This was originally ment as a joke, but everytime I think about it, it
sounds more like a good idea to me: Helmut is still without a contract,
so he would be directly available, his popularity is another important
factor and if the sad story of the lost son (shut out by some corrupt
managers) gets a happy end with his glorious revival this would fit 
well into St.Pauli's ambiente, wouldn't it ? 

With rising curiosity,
Rainer
    

    Heiko,
    
    finally it's so far ; I am in Hamburg 23/24 Octobre ( and more). Is
    there a game in the Millerntor ?
    
    John

    
    Hi John,
    
    Luckily I read your reply. I am at work for only 4-6 hours a week these
    days, as I am having the first exam for my diploma on Monday, 19th.
    This also means that I don't have too much time to figure it out, but
    you will surely get more news within the next days. 
    
    Bye,
    	Heiko
    

    re: -2
    Hi John,
    I think St.Pauli won't play at home that weekend (23.-25.), because
    their next home match is on 17.10. against Waldhof Mannheim, so they
    probably have to play somewhere else on that date. But I not sure, too,
    so I'll check that until tomorrow.
    
    re: -1
    And all good luck for your examination, Heiko !
    
    Rainer
    

    Mainz v St Pauli (23-25.10.92)
    
    Keith.

    Pity...pity.....
    lots of succes, Heiko,
    
    John

    
    According to out local newspaper St.Pauli may have difficulties in
    fielding an even average side on Sunday in Mainz:
    
    Martin Driller
    	has some stuff in his knee, that will be removed in an operation
    	tomorrow. He will not be allowed to play again before January.
    Karsten Surmann
    	has heavy flu. His doctor has ordered him to stay in bed until
    	tomorrow.
    Bernhard Olck
    	has injured his muscles and can only do light running.
    Leonardo Manzi
    	has not yet recovered from the head-wound he received last weekend.
    Jan Kocian
    	will start to train again today.
    Bernd Hollerbach
    	has had his back 'adjusted' but can't move without pain.
    Dieter Schlindwein
    	has recovered from his muscle problems, started training last week.
    
    
    I think a draw in Mainz would be satisfying.
    
    Rgds,
    	Heiko
    

    "And now the end is near
     and so I'll face the final curtain"
    (Frank Sinatra)
    
    OK folks, my time at DIGITAL is getting near the end, too. I've
    cancelled my job and will start a new career at DETECON, a company
    involved in telecommunication business, as database specialist.
    
    While I will keep my 14 months working for DEC in mind with quite
    mixed feelings, I always will remember besides lot of nice collegues
    this feature of notes conferences. For a strange guy with strange
    interests like me (e.g. a incapable football team as St.Pauli, a kind
    of music which makes normal people earsick - and for which
    "alternative" is a friendlier word) it was a GREAT experience, that
    I've found almost anytime some folks to talk to with similar interests.
      
    The very last goodbye I will keep for the last week of November, when
    I'm back in my office to pack my things.
    
    And now I prepare myself for holidays - Cyprus waits for me!
    
    Rainer  

    
    :-(
    
    Bad news of the week.

>>  Bad news of the week.
    
    Don't be too hasty, the week is still young.
    

    
    Friendly Result:
    
    FC St.Pauli		- Hamburger SV
    	1		- 	2
    
    Manzi	70'	  Bester 17', 83'
    
    A very lousy match with lots of agression on either side, not much like
    a neighborhood friendly. Main event was probably a minor riot of HSV 
    hooligans which lead to St.Paulis proposal to cancel these Hamburgian
    matches until further notice. 
    Heiko

    Seems to me we're stuck in a dead end. The equipe is pumped up with
    too many players, which cost lots of money and I don't know whether
    the receipts can equalize that (haven't read the Abendblatt for weeks
    but I don't think the number of visitors is that large as at the start
    of the season).
    
    Generally, it wouldn't be too bad to go back to Oberliga Nord in that
    situation. I prefer to watch my team winning against Holstein Kiel than
    loosing against Unterhaching or Remscheid.
    
    But perhaps this would be the end of it all ? St.Pauli has some
    millions of debts, how to avoid the total bankrupt with some 10,000 DM
    receipts as an amateur club ? 
     
    Hope things won't become that worse than in the late 70's.
    
    Rainer
          

    
    Just a loss again, even in Hamburg. Relgation spot again, with very
    little hope.
    
    FC St.Pauli 0 - 2 SV Mainz 05
    
    Heiko, I think we may watch St.Pauli playing next year in Hoisdorf.
    
    	Gerd_

    
    MSV Duisburg	- FC St.Pauli	1:0
    
    wellwellwellwell
    
    15. Stuttgart ?	41
    16. Unterhaching	39
    ---------------------------
    17. Braunschweig	38
    18. St.Pauli	38
    
    3 matches to go.
    
    The St.Pauli Amateurs are currently participating in the promotion round
    for Oberliga Nord. They would of course be denied promotion, if their
    first team got relegated to the very same league.
    
    Heiko
    
    

    
    SV Meppen		- FC St.Pauli
    	1			1
    
    Faltin 41'		  Driller 74'
    
    Now ranking 8th.

    
    Tonight an away match against Tennis Borussia Berlin. 
    Why not win, for a change ?
    
    I mean TB are bottom of the league (almost). OK, they were the only
    team so far to take a point from Bochum, but who cares.
    
    TB Berlin	- FC St.Pauli
    
    	1	-	2
    			Stanislawski
    			Manzi

    
    TB Berlin	0 - 0	FC St.Pauli
    
    Nothing to complain about. 
    The radio commentator said it was St.Pauli's 25th consecutive away
    match not lost. What a load of ...
    
    Anyway 7:7 pts is OK
    
    Heiko

    
    Next match is at home against Mainz - they are currently one notch
    above St.Pauli with one (easy) game in hand. 
    
    Not an easy one, but if we get the defense right, a win is absolutely
    possible. Mainz has only conceded 5 goals so far, so I guess it won't
    be a 3-0 again. 
    
    The match is played on Sep 19th. 20:00
    The weekend 11/12 Sep is reserved for the cup
    
    Heiko

    Congratulation from a 1860 fan to a St. Pauli fan. That' a very nice
    result. Maybe we have a chance to meet at the big St. Pauli/1860 party
    in April.
    
    Margit
    

    
    What was that with the Pauli/1860 Party ? I haven't heard of it, yet.
    
    And, well, actually I'm not soooooo much a Pauli-fan as far as
    attending the matches is concerned. I kind of follow them on the
    telly and in the Hamburger Morgenpost :-). Also, I don't hate the
    Hamburger SV, as every serious Pauli-fan does :-). 
    
    So, tell me more about that party, please.
    
    Heiko

All the details about the party!!

There is a biiig friendship between the St. Pauli Fans and 
the 1860 fans. So, when St. Pauli played in Munich last 
year, the 60 fans arranged a big party for their friends 
from Hamburg in one of the big Munich beer halls.

In April, 1860 has to play in Hamburg. And apparently big 
preparations are already underway to arrange for an even 
bigger party in Hamburg. Since I will be there anyway, I 
want to see the game and, of course, go to the big fest.

Margit

    FC St.Pauli		- SV Meppen	1:0
    
    ..uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuup to 3rd place.
    
    That's a promotion spot, btw.
    
    Heiko

    Yeah...
    Great match against SV Meppen at 7th March.
    The 1:0 at Millerntor means a 3rd place in 2nd League.
    NO "unwiederaufsteigbar" this year!!!
    olli...

    
    So that was the end of the series.
    St.Pauli's last two defeats have both been against Wuppertal.
    They almost made half of the season undefeated, almost.
    
    Hopefully the morale is still there. Away in Jena next week.
    
    
    Bad news of the day is that goalkeeper Andreas Reinke might be off to
    Kaiserslautern next season. Odd. He has a valid contract until 1995,
    but for 2.Bundesliga only. So if St.Pauli gets promoted, he could go.
    Apparently Kaiserslautern has made a promising offer, although Reinke
    would then be second man behinf Gerry Ehrmann. I wonder if that makes
    sense. Being first man in a second rate team is better than being
    second man in a first rate team (in my book). Money ??
    
    Well  it's just a rumour.
    
    Heiko

    Come on, don't give up. They'll make it and they deserve it, too. It
    would be a shame to see Uerdingen get promoted. The average number of
    their supporters at home must be less than 4000.
    
    So, I hope St. Pauli beats Uerdingen!
    
    Margit
    

  Well the boys in blue were lucky last night to come away with two poins with
a very late winner..... They are now one behind Uerdingen and two behind St
Pauli.... I agree with margit about Uerdingen... I just Hope that 1860 make it
just to see a real Munich derby...... 

                                                           -dave-

p.s Heiko will the Uerdingen Bochum game be replayed?????? because of the injury
    the Bochum keeper sustained when he was hit by some object thrown by an
    Uerdingen fan.....

    re .134
    
    I know this is not the proper topic. But after having celebrated with
    Pauli fans on the Reeperbahn 3 weeks ago (St. Pauli / 1860: 2:1), it
    seems ok to put my comment here. Yes, the lions were lucky to win last
    night's game. No, I am not sure, if I want to see them promoted after
    their first season in the second league. On the other hand ...
    
    Margit
    

    
    Wolfsburg will be playing without Sigi Reich, their top scorer.
    
    Thumbs up for St.Pauli. 
    
    
         Jetzt geht's lohos! Jetzt geht's lohos! Jetzt geht's lohos!
    
    
    not that I'm against the Lions, but you're only second choice here. 
    
    Heiko

     
    C'mon, you've just been promoted. Don't get greedy :-)

    What would you do? They came so far, actually it would be a shame if
    they didn't get promoted!!!!
    
    But I promise I won't cry, if they don't. Because I think they had a
    fantastic season and didn't disappoint their fans one bit. Yesterday, I
    read in last year's "Kicker Special" (which appeared at the begin of
    the season) what 1860's only goal was. It said: stay in the second
    league at any price. And now: up at the top!
    
    So let's see what happens tomorrow.
    
    Regards,
    Margit
    
    PS. Did St. Pauli somehow arrange for that red card for Wolfsburg's
    striker??
    

    
    Ha! The Lions don't even have a topic of their own in this glorious
    conference. The Kiez-Kickers have, and they're in line with such
    glorious teams as W.B.A., Lithlilillingolorowowow Rose Magic Team and
    Peterborough United FC.   :-)
    
    As for the red card (or is he suspended for his 7th booking) : 
    no influence.
    
    You're surely referring to that DM 50,000 story that made it to the
    media the other day. What a crappy idea. That's plain bribery and I'm
    happy they've realised it, after all.
    
    
    Well there's always next year. I'd like to see 1860, Wolfsburg and 
    Meppen/Leipzig/Brandenburg to get promoted next year. 
    
    St.Pauli are actually not as good as their league position indicates. I
    doubt we could be that succesful in the nexty season. 1860 could. So
    we need to have the luck to get promoted this time, who knows when the
    chance will be there again.
    
    Heiko

    
    Apparently they're expecting 10,000 Loewen for the game in Meppen so
    they've arranged a fest tent in the Market Place.
    "We want to show the Muencheners how nice a place Meppen is"
    
    That's what I call a very good attitude plus keeps the problem of
    policing 10,000 to a manageable task.
    
    No surprises tomorrow PLEEEEEEEEEEASSSSSEEEE....
    
    Dezzz.
                                                    

    FC St.Pauli		- 	Wattenscheid 09
    		      4 - 1
    
    We must be around league position 8 now. Things are beginning to look
    better.
    
    

    
    St.Pauli have to travel to Kaiserslautern in the cup's quarterfinals.
    
    This is about the toughest draw possible :-(. Kaiserslautern
    has won their previous cup (home) matches 6:3 and 7:3. 
    
    Well, now *if* the lads manage to concede just one or two goals ...
    
    Heiko

    I have put all of my hopes on St. Pauli. They can do it, just look at
    the Bayern Amateure. Plus, St. Pauli is doing very well this season,
    they should have loads of self confidence.
    
    Margit
    

    VfL Wolfsburg	- FC St.Pauli		1:1  (1:0)
    
    Wolfsburg are top of the league, St.Pauli is second.
    
    St.Pauli is in excellent physical shape now, and if they manage
    to take up their great technical and tactical skill from before
    the break they look good for promotion.
    
    And, St.Pauli is unbeaten for 14 matches in a row. 8 victories and
    6 draws. If only the Lions manage to stay in the Bundesliga!
    
    Heiko
    
    

    
    Yaeh Heiko,
    	After a 5-1 drubbing from Dortmund...mind you having seen the
    highlights 1860 deserverd a little more out of the game, their
    finishing left a little to be desired.
    
    Dortmund will be VERY difficult to stop...they're almost unstoppable
    with this Sammer guy ; who must be probably on form the best playmaker
    in Europe today...well that's an IMHO...I haven't seen anyone this
    season to contradict this...  
    
    Regrads,
    
    Dezzz.

    Unbeaten for 15 games.
    
    Next will be away, in Mannheim (who are fourth right now).
    No need to be pessimistic.
    
    Bundesliga, here we come.

    Yeah, it is 15-in-a-row.
    
    I reckon that now St.Pauli has lost in Mannheim (92nd minute goal),
    they should be up for a victory in Kaiserslautern in the Cup.
    
    Bad news is that Hollerbach is injured and will most probably be
    unable to play. He has also been sold to Kaiserslautern for 
    DM 1,700,000. How nice.
    
    Heiko

    
    The Cup is this week isn't it Heiko...who's playing and when..???
    
    Dezzz.

Saw the highlights of FCK v St Pauli last night - do St Pauli usually play 
without a defence?! Sorry, but their back four looked half asleep for most of 
the goals . . .

grahame

    I didn't see it.
    Just for the record, their defense is one of the best in 2.Bundesliga.
    But I recall they were having lineup problems due to injuries.
    
    Heiko

     
    FC St.Pauli	- SV Meppen		2:1
    
    League pos. 2
    

    
    Does anyone know of a pre-season friendly between St. Pauli and Celtic.
    
    I read something about it in Wednsedays View.
    
    Choppers

    
    
    According to the View, they will meet during a pre season tour
    of Switzerland.
    
    Colm.
    

    
    I heard that they'll play them In Switzerland in the pre-season. I read
    it in the View !
    
    

    
    Great!
    
    

Heiko,

Do You have the date of the German cup final ?

Heribert

    
    I would assume the 24th June.....
    
    Dezzz.

    
     :-)

    5:0! Great result and congratulations to St. Pauli.
    
    Margit
    

    Yes. See you next season. I'm looking forward to it.

    
    Cheerio Heiko
    
    	Always interesting to hear about footie in foreign climes. You will
    be missed.
    
    Malc.
    

    
    All the best Heiko...
    
    Dezzz.