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Last Modified:Wed Jun 04 1997
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1080.0. "Civil War bayonet sword....value?" by ASIC::RDAIGLE () Tue Feb 04 1997 18:52

    
    I have a Civil War bayonet sword that I'm thinking
    of selling. Overall length is about 2 feet or so,
    has a brass handle with slot for mounting to a
    rifle. Has the date 1861 stamped in the steel
    where the blade meets the handle. Overall condition
    is good. No scabbard.
    
    A buddy told me years ago that it was a Confederate
    bayonet sword. 
    
    Any ideas on value?
    
    Thanks,  ~Dick Daigle
    
    
     
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1080.1Could be very valueableMROA::CUDAKThelWed Feb 05 1997 11:025
    If you have watched Antique Roadshow on PBS, you might be surprised at
    the value of swords similar to the one you described.  I suggest you
    take it to a reputable antique dealer who specializes in this type of
    antique.  If you live in the greater Maynard area, Robert Skinner would
    be a good choice.
1080.2WMOIS::GIROUARD_CWed Feb 05 1997 14:3322
Bayonets are not generally comparable (in worth) to swords.

This is generally attributal to their numbers and lack of
"history". The missing scabbard significantly impacts its
value, as you can imagine.

They do have worth, however.

Without seeing it, I would say it's European manufacture
(brass handle) and probably French. Just a guess.

I am not into Civil War stuff. WWII blades used to be my
passion. I did have one in my possession (briefly) in
the early '80s. I can tell you I paid $30.00 on it back
then, but that price may have no bearing on its worth
today.

If they are any marks on the blade (or under the handles)
it would help someone else in here identify it and maybe 
provide a value.

Chip
1080.3ALFSS2::HENDERSON_JWed Feb 05 1997 17:0324
    
     Hi,
    
     Chip is right on the money. French blockade runners would bring arms
    in for the South's use,some arms came up through Mexico as well. The
    origin would be in the markings,on the blade,tang,or handle material.
    If it was produced by a Southern Armory,for use in the CSA,it would be
    of greater value,naturally. Some CSA arms are rare,due to the limited
    production capability,of Southern Cottage Armorys,and combat
    interferences in production. Some Brevet units were supplied by
    Plantation owners,thus small fighting units of men would have different 
    arms,but would be uniform to the specific group of aligned combatants.
     Bayonets are generally more prolific,than swords,because every
    military musket,rifle,or whatever,would have something,like a bayonet
    for the all to often,hand to hand combat,use. Swords were for the use 
    of NCOs and Officers. So you can see infantrymen out numbered both NCOs
    and Officiers,therefore thier equipment,would be more plentiful,for
    collectors,to pick over.
    
     Joe
    
     You could also try (SMURF::CIVIL_WAR) as a source of information.
    
    
1080.4ASIC::RDAIGLEFri Feb 07 1997 12:038
    
    Thanks for the inputs. I've pulled a list of military collectors off
    the net and plan to contact a few. Also, I spotted some local (Mass.)
    collectors in the Want Advertiser. I'll give them a call as well.
    
    Thanks again.
    
    ~Dick D
1080.5Markings?BIGQ::GULDNERMon Feb 10 1997 14:414
    Why don't you post the markings - if any - here first as was suggested
    earlier? 
    
    /ed
1080.6ASIC::RDAIGLEWed Feb 12 1997 15:373
    
    No other markings anywhere other than the 1861 date stamped on the
    blade near the hilt. 
1080.7Possibly American after all....PATS::RICHARDSONTue Feb 25 1997 21:4315
    
    I have to dig through my reference material at home.  True, the
    French Chateueax-style musket saber-bayonet came to mind, but
    the date recalls more of the rare (U.S.)Remington 1861 Musket.
    Walk into a local Barnes & Noble and look for a book now reprinted
    called "Civil War Collectors Encyclopedia", by Lord.  It was originally
    several volumes, now condensed into two I believe: vol.1-2-3, vol.4-5.
    This should give you a good selection of pictures to go by.
    Many, but not all, confederate weapons were marked by the
    foundry/maker,  many were also direct copies of their Northern
    counterparts, just marked differently or brass was substituted for
    steel in some cases.
    /John