Conference thebay::joyoflex

Do you have a program to look for them, or did you do them yourself?

I've got a huge dictionary of words on-line, people are welcome to copy
them for experimentation and word games.  The files are

	SPRITE::DRB1:[OSMAN.WORDS]%Z.TXT	! AZ.TXT, BZ.TXT, CZ.TXT 
						! etc.

For anagrams, I used a method from Scientic American.  Suppose you have
a file of words, containing

	. . .
	rescued
	result
	seducer
	. . .

First, write a program that outputs each word preceded by the word
sorted ALPHABETICALLY BY LETTERS.  So you get a file looking like

. . .	. . .
cdeersu rescued
elrstu	result
cdeersu	seducer
. . .	. . .

Then, use the standard SORT command on vms to sort this file.  Even
with a huge dictionary, this only takes a few minutes !  The result is:

. . .	. . .
cdeersu rescued
cdeersu	seducer
elrstu	result
. . .	. . .

Now, all your anagrams are adjacent in the file.  In this example, "rescued"
and "seducer" come out adjacent.  So the last step is run a program that
outputs all sets of contiguous lines whose first section is the same, and
you get ALL the anagrams, which I've done as mentioned in .0.

Do you have a large list of words (say, as large as the DECspell
dictionary) alphabetized this way? I have been looking for an anagram
dictionary for some time.

Jon

  Here's one I like:
  
  	neoplasm
  	pleonasm

                -mg_

I had to look up "pleonasm," so I will save others the trouble.

1. The use of more words than are required to express an idea; redundancy.
2. An instance of this.  3. A superfluous word or phrase. 

[Late Latin pleonasmus, from Greek pleonasmos "superabundance," from
pleonazein, to be more than enough, from ple(i)on, more.]

					Val

  Thanks for the definitions, Val -- see why I'm intrigued that it is an
  anagram for "neoplasm"  ("an abnormal new growth of tissue; tumor")?
  
  By the way, before entering the next to last response I went to look
  up pleonasm, but couldn't find it in the LRD.

     -mg_

Such a dormant topic!  Is Eric Osman's program so intimidating that people
are reluctant to throw in their own modest contributions?  Here's one that
I'll bet it didn't come up with:


The name of a well-known computer company is an anagram for "git laid".

    
    Is this mean gear still available anywhere ?
    
    Steve
    

    united
    untied

    I don't know how I could have escaped several decades of Christmases
    without ever hearing that "Satan" is an anagram of "Santa". The
    implications are mind boggling!  Has Jesse Helmes heard about this yet? 
    Or Quaker Oats?

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From:	DECWRL::"moon@cambridge.apple.com" "David A. Moon" 
To:	closet::t_parmenter, jo@odi.com, hicomb!sally@uunet.uu.net 
Subj:	from the SubGenius digest... 

...to the Desperado
 
These are too good not to pass along:
 
From: "The Rt. Rev. Wor. Dr. Y. Foo" <dryfoo@athena.mit.edu>
To: subgenius@mc.lcs.mit.edu
Subject: Presidential Anagrams for...
 
...George Herbert Walker Bush:
 
   Huge Berserk Rebel Warthog (courtesy of R.A.W.)
 
   Buggers worker, heh? Be alert!
 
   Keebler Art-Whore Egg Brush
 
   Uh...  we're broke.  Hire biggest liar!
 
-- dr foo
	
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From the ULTRIX version 4.1 on-line manual pages:
-------------------------------------------------
                                                                  socket(2)
     Name
          socket - create an endpoint for communication

     Syntax
          #include <sys/types.h>
          #include <sys/socket.h>

          s = socket(af, type, protocol)
          int s, af, type, protocol;

     Description
          The socket system call creates an endpoint for communication and
          returns a descriptor.
          [...]

     Arguments
          The af parameter specifies an address format.  [...]

          The type argument specifies the semantics of communication.  The
          defined types are:

          SOCK_STREAM
          SOCK_DGRAM
          SOCK_AGRAM
          SOCK_RAW
          SOCK_SEQPACKET

          The SOCK_STREAM, SOCK_DGRAM, and SOCK_AGRAM types are available
          only if your system includes the TCP/IP network.  [...]

          A SOCK_STREAM type provides sequenced, reliable, 2-way-
          connection-based byte streams with an out-of-band data transmis-
          sion mechanism.  A SOCK_DGRAM socket supports datagrams (connec-
          tionless, unreliable messages of a fixed maximum length, typi-
          cally small).  A SOCK_AGRAM socket supports anagrams (connec-
          tionless, highly unreliable messages of length equal to the
          sender's original message, typically small, in which the char-
          acters of the message are retained, but scrambled into a com-
          pletely different order from their locations in the original
          message).

          [...]

          Socket types are discussed further in following sections.

     Socket Type SOCK_STREAM

          Sockets of type SOCK_STREAM are full-duplex byte streams, similar
          to pipes.  [...]

     Socket Types SOCK_DGRAM, SOCK_AGRAM, and SOCK_RAW

          SOCK_DGRAM, SOCK_AGRAM, and SOCK_RAW sockets allow sending of
          datagrams to correspondents named in send(2) calls.  It is also
          possible to receive datagrams at these sockets with recv(2).
          SOCK_AGRAM sockets also allow sending of anagrams via send(2)
          calls, which may be received with xnotes(1).

          An fcntl(2) call can be used to specify a process group to
          receive a SIGURG signal when the out-of-band data arrives.
          However, a SIGURG signal cannot, by definition, be provided
          for data received on a SOCK_AGRAM socket.

          SOCK_DGRAM sockets are the only type of socket allowed by the
          Data Link Interface.

          SOCK_AGRAM sockets are the only type of socket allowed by the
          NOTES interface.

     [... remainder deleted]

    Stuff a sock in it.  :-)

From rec.humor.funny - see bottom of note


	********************* WHAT'S IN A NAME ***********************
 
 
		- BUSH: READ MY LIPS
			@ Ruled by Mishaps
 
		- PRESIDENT GEORGE BUSH
			@ SOS: Big Huge Pretender
			@ Big Spender Got us Here
			
 
		- BORIS YELTSIN
			@ I Resist Nobly
			@ Is Berlins Toy
			@ Riot Sensibly
 
		- SADDAM HUSSEIN
			@ Smash Saudi Den
			@ USA Hid Madness
		
		- PRESIDENT HUSSEIN
			@ His Inept Rudness
 
		- THEODORE BUNDY
			@ to her nude body
 
		- ARAB/ISREALI CONFLICT
			@ A Tribal Relic of Cain
 
		- HOSNI MUBARAK
			@ OK, Ambush Iran
 
		- SHIEK JABER AL-AHMED AL-SABA (emir of Kuwait)
			@ Aha! A Bad, Hellish James Baker
 
		- VICE PRESIDENT
			@ Isn't Percieved
 
		- BERKELY, CALIFORNIA
			@ Fear icky neoliberal 
 
		- GENERAL MOTORS
			@ Largest No More
 
		- PRESIDENT FIDEL CASTRO
			@ Cast friendlier despot
 
		- STATEN ISLAND
			@ Nastiest Land
 
Article: 3633
Path: e2big.mko.dec.com!pa.dec.com!decwrl!looking!funny-request
Message-id: <S3f5.5379@looking.on.ca>
Date: Mon, 25 May 92 19:30:4 EDT
Newsgroups: rec.humor.funny
Organization: Western Michigan University
From: x91patrick2@gw.wmich.edu
Subject: Anagrams *What's in a Name*
Keywords: smirk
Approved: funny@clarinet.com

--
Selected by Brad Templeton.  MAIL your joke (jokes ONLY) to funny@clarinet.com.
Attribute the joke's source if at all possible.  A Daemon will auto-reply.
 
Remember: PLEASE spell check and proofread your jokes.  You think I have
time to hand-correct everybody's postings?

    I read that too.  How fortunate it is that anagrams are fault-tolerant
    regarding some spelling errors.  Most of them still work, but I wonder
    about "rudness."
    
    Incidentally, Digital's personnel department has specifically informed
    me, several times, that we are not allowed to criticize Saddam Hussein
    or George Bush in Digital's notesfiles, e-mail, or business meetings.
    (Digital's personnel department has also specifically informed another
    employee that we are not allowed to criticize Adolf Hitler.)
    
    -- Norman Diamond

>>    (Digital's personnel department has also specifically informed another
>>    employee that we are not allowed to criticize Adolf Hitler.)

	Please please tell me that this isn't a joke!

	How delicious!  The ruling must have been 
	given by someone fresh off Valuing Diversity 
	training.

    When I talked to Ron Glover about some related issues, I asked him if
    we were allowed to crticize Hitler.  Glover said, "No."  The context
    left no room for a misinterpretation.  As a result, I will ignore some
    of the more outlandish statements from personnel.
    
    Fortunately, a listing of anagrams of a person's name is not an insult.
    Nobody has said any anagram represents some characteristic of that
    person, be the characteristic good or bad.  It is merely a listing of
    anagrams.  Therefore there is no PP&P problem with anything in this
    topic.

    I think that the list of anagrams was selected to be insulting,
    just as other selections of English words form non-random sentences
    in order to constitute other insults.
    
    (The subject of this rathole is lexicographic, though not very joyful.
    Also, please don't anyone accuse me of agreeing with Digital's
    censorship policy; I only reported it and analyzed it.)
    
    (In order to obey the policy, I have also stopped criticizing the work
    of technical designers.  Accidental coding errors can be discussed in
    Digital's notesfiles, e-mail, and business meetings, but non-accidental
    designs cannot be criticized.  I have also told Glover this.)
    
    -- Norman Diamond

    >> I think the list of anagrams was selected to be insulting ...

    Perhaps.  Now prove it by coming up with an equally long list that is
    not "insulting".  If you can't do that, then you have no basis for
    believing the posted list was selected to be insulting.  On the face of
    it, the list was chosen for the anagrams, and there is nothing in the
    posting that even suggests any anagram is characteristic of the person
    it is derived from.  Unless you believe in "guilt by association".

    Will Rogers said, "Oklahoma will vote dry as long as they can stagger
    to the poles," and the state did vote wet as soon as the law was
    vigorously enforced.  Do you really feel that you will change Digital's
    policy by raising this issue in 100 inappropriate instances, such as
    this one and in WAR_STORIES?  That you will change PP&P by enforcing it
    everywhere, however inappropriately?  I suggest you discuss your
    concerns with Personnel and not repeatedly rathole (on the slightest
    pretext) every conference in which you participate.

   >> everywhere, however inappropriately?  I suggest you discuss your
   >> concerns with Personnel and not repeatedly rathole (on the slightest
   >> pretext) every conference in which you participate.

	Ah, here's the distinction.  We're not free to insult
	Hitler, but we're apparently free to insult other Digital
	employees to our hearts' content.  Go figure.

	Di

    We are not free to insult anybody.  We are free to disagree with
    any person's notes.

And we are not free to defame anybody, even if they would consider it
a compliment.  Consequently, we aren't even allowed to allege that
someone insulted someone else.

Where, o where, will this end?

Dave C.

    Discussions with the personnel department obviously didn't work either.
    
    How can we get the policy changed?  By going on strike?  I don't think
    that would work either; the company would surely be happy if every
    employee outside of the personnel department were to disappear.
    
    I do think that if we obey the policy closely enough, we could get
    it changed.  In fact, the personnel department has told me on three
    occasions that they cannot correct errors.  (The smallest one, worth
    the equivalent of roughly US$20, got corrected anyway, but the others
    never will.)  Suppose we all obey this policy?
    
    -- Norman Diamond

    I don't intend to follow the more absurd PP&Ps.  I'll do what is right
    and hope that I'm on good terms with my manager.

    me  >>> I think the list of anagrams was selected to be insulting ...
    [Rathole:  I did not insult the insults, and personally have no objection
    at all to them.  That was not the reason for my followup.]
    
    Mr Eggers > Now prove it by coming up with an equally long list that is
              > not "insulting".
    
    I didn't come up with either list, and am too lazy to write a program
    to do it, but someone else did.  A non-insulting (and boring in my
    personal opinion :-) list is appended below.  If anyone wants to spend
    time watching for others, they'll probably find some.
    
    -- Norman Diamond
    
    
    Usenet article from Marc VanHeyningen <mvanheyn@copper.ucs.indiana.edu>
    
    Well, I ran the anagram program on the phrase, and it came up with 56,708
    different anagrams for "J Danforth Quayle", which I will not post.  I
    will post the few that caught my eye:
    
    Anagrams of: J Danforth Quayle
    ------------------------------
    John equal drafty.
    Joyful rant ``Ha!'': QED.
    Joyful hat RNA.  QED.
    Junta fry halo:  QED.
    Jury:  Noah flat.  QED.
    The Fly, qua Jordan
    Handy, qua TOEFL Jr.
    Fondly hate, qua Jr.
    He fly Trojan quad!
    Jolt fan had query.
    Query: jot half DNA.
    Deny Jr. half quota!
    Quod ajar?  Then fly!
    Aqua jolt; he fry 2nd?

    >> We are not free to insult anybody.  We are free to disagree with
    >> any person's notes.

	...and to rely on euphemisms whenever it's convenient.

re .25:

But those are nonsense.  The others make sense (at least most of them).

.19>    Will Rogers said, "Oklahoma will vote dry as long as they can stagger
.19>    to the poles," ...

Ah, but will the Poles vote dry as long as they can stagger to Oklahoma?

I've been thinking about anagrams lately, with a couple of particular
goals in mind:

  1) What combination of letters can be combined to make the greatest
     number of valid English words?

  2) What's the longest pair of words that are inverse spellings
     of one another (a special case of anagramism)?

I suspect the answer to 1) will be some 5 letter combination of three 
consonants and two vowels, and one of the consonants will be S.
I had high hopes for OPST for while, with six combinations:
    POST, POTS, STOP, TOPS, SPOT, and OPTS,
but then I extended another four letter set (AERP) with an S to get
    SPEAR, SPARE, RAPES, APERS, PEARS, PARES, and REAPS.

In a sense, S is cheating, since the plurals are so easy to include.
You can get extra points for non-S combinations.

The six letter case of DRAWER-REWARD comes to mind to address item 2.

Surely Eric's approach from the start of this topic can slove this
in a trice, but has anybody come up with interesting combinations
on their own?

- tom]

PS:  The Sunday Boston Globe crossword puzzle featured anagrams
of "Detroit Michigan" as the key theme a few weeks ago.
HOARDING TITMICE and ACID RIGHT ON TIME are two that I recall.

>    SPEAR, SPARE, RAPES, APERS, PEARS, PARES, and REAPS.

Oops, I forgot to include PARSE to this list, for 8 combinations.

The longest reverse anagram I've found so far is DESSERTS-STRESSED.

- tom]

    Someone at Object Design (ODI) came up with this one:
    
    	Tonya Harding ==> Yo, gard.  Hit Nan.
    
    

    Virginia Bottomley == I'm an evil Tory bigot
    
    VB is UK Secretary of State for Health in the Tory government
    
    (Courtesy of Stephen Fry - BBC Radio 4 - 1993)

re .32:

How's this?

Tonya Harding, John Gillooly, Shawn Eckardt, Shane Minoaka Stant.

Aha!  Loony man hit Nancy's knee hard.  Longshot.  Skating toward jail.

.34  Unbelievable!  Gerald, did you come up with that yourself?
     If so, I would say that you should be entitled to the next year
     off, with pay.

     Di

True confession.  The more names you add, the easier it gets.

>>True confession.  The more names you add, the easier it gets.

	I knew that.  But it's still great.

Here's another from current events.  Please excuse any mispellings.

Defense Secretary Bobby Ray Inman
Safire 'n' senneter made baby boy cry.

    G'day,
    
     How about if Zsa-Zsa Gabor was involved?
    
    
    
    derek

A slight improvement on .38:

Say, Bobby Ray Inman, an admiral, said he will not be the defense secretary.
Mean Senator Dole and his yes-man Bill Safire battered a whiney crybaby.

    
    How does he *DO* that!!!????
    
    
    Bravo...!
    

Add me to the list of the very impresssed.

Please tell your admiring fans:

	- are you a genius? or

	- or is it easier than it seems? or

	- do you have some sort of software program?

Clay

1. It's easier than it seems, particularly if you add more words.  After seeing
the Tonya Harding one, I wanted to do John Gillooly, but just one look convinced
me that I'd have to add some more names.  Some names work really well --
Bobby Ray Inman is one of these.

2. The only software I use is an editor.  As I use up a letter, I overstrike
it with a space.  It's much better than pencil and paper.

3. It's addictive.

FWIW, here's my doodling on the Inman one:

bobby ray inman, secretary of defense
          in   ,     e           en e
army's baby boy, nectar for feds

      r    nm n,  ec  tary of de en e
safire's baby boy

defense secretary bobby ray inman
   en e        ry       r     man
safire's baby boy decent

   en e se   t          r    n  n
safire made baby boy cry

de en e  e     r  bo         nm  
nasty safire baby cry 

 e en     csed    bobby r y  nman
safire teary 

   e  e      t          r       n
safire 'n' sen. made baby boy cry

defense secretary bobby ray inman
safire 'n' senneter made baby boy cry		!good, except for misspelling

bill wanted bobby ray inman to be defense secretary	!try to fix misspelling
bill w n ed t  be nete
safire 'n' senator made baby boy cry

paranoid defense secretary bobby ray inman	!paranoid is really good!
p r n i  ne e
safire and senator made baby boy cry
preenin'
penner i
repent iain (add "aint")

admiral bobby ray inman wont be defense secretary
wm safire and senator made baby boy cry
 n   bart  in  elee
 n    ee
brain let

admiral bobby ray inman will not be defense secretary
bill safire and senator made baby boy cry
m l e e r n n t w i e
new m l e e r n t i
went men rile

bobby ray inman an admiral will not be the defense secretary
mean man bill safire and senator dole better whiney crybaby
					!but batter is better than better, so...

bobby ray inman an admiral says he will not be the defense secretary
bill safire (yes he's mean man) and senator dole batter whiney crybaby

Say, Bobby Ray Inman, an admiral, said he will not be the defense secretary.
Mean Senator Dole and his yes-man Bill Safire battered a whiney crybaby.

Bob Palmer, President and CEO
Dapper Bob, morale's indecent.

Robert Dole : Elder Robot

or better

Bob Dole    : Bob Dole

        Title:	The WWW Anagram Generator
        URL:	http://csugrad.cs.vt.edu/~eburke/anagrams.html
        
        In case the location changes, there may be an updated
        pointer at
        
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        Dan