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Conference thebay::joyoflex

Title:The Joy of Lex
Notice:A Notes File even your grammar could love
Moderator:THEBAY::SYSTEM
Created:Fri Feb 28 1986
Last Modified:Mon Jun 02 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1192
Total number of notes:42769

642.0. "PROACTIVE HELP" by UBOHUB::SWANN (Exceptions Rule) Tue Mar 28 1989 17:47

    Hello,
          I suspect this question may have already been answered, but
    I have to ask it again!
    
    I keep getting people telling me we have to work in a more PROACTIVE
    (blech) way. This is supposed to be the opposite of reactive. I
    can live with the concept, but that word? makes me want to vomit.
    Unfortunately my poor, overworked, mind can't come up with an
    alternative. Can anybody help? All suggestions gratefully accepted.
    
    Thanks,
    
    Mike
    
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642.1LOGOS::SOBOTSteve SobotTue Mar 28 1989 21:464
    
    
    			Psychic ?			:-)
    
642.2a few suggestionsLAMHRA::WHORLOW1:25000 - a magic numberWed Mar 29 1989 04:5111
    G'day,
    
    How about 'driving' instead of 'driven'?
    
    or creative instead of reparative? (_that's_ a good word, eh?)
    
    or 'determined'(meaning planned) rather than indeterminate?
    
    
    derek
    
642.3I must be defactiveVISA::MONAHANhumanity is a trojan horseWed Mar 29 1989 19:015
    anticipatory - makes you sound like a vulture.
    inactive, unreactive don't quite sound the right sort of opposites.
    
    I know -   ...   de-factive. A de-facto standard is one made before you
    knew there was a need for one.
642.4CLOSET::T_PARMENTERDig, and be dug in return.Wed Mar 29 1989 20:143
    It is the people who are comfortable with the word "proactive" who seem
    to most often need the encouragement to be so.  Therefore, use the word
    with them and no one else. 
642.5Useless PrefixDRUMS::FEHSKENSThu Jun 15 1989 02:234
    How about just plain "active"?
    
    len.
    
642.6... alas ...LESCOM::KALLISAnger's no replacement for reason.Thu Jun 15 1989 02:515
    Re . 5 (len)
    
    Too sensible.
    
    Steve Kallis, Jr.
642.7NoiseMARVIN::KNOWLESRunning old protocolThu Jun 15 1989 19:179
    RE .5
    
    Plain `active' does the job for me too.  But I once said so in a
    notes file ("`proactive' means `active, and by the way I work at DEC'")
    and I was almost immediately swamped by brick-bats.
    
    From now I'm keeping a low 'file on this one.
    
    b
642.8What's wrong with being reactive?SHARE::SATOWThu Jun 15 1989 19:4320
Somehow "active" seems more like and antonym for "lazy" to me.  And many, 
perhaps most, "non-proactive" people I know have quite a lot of enegy, which 
that waste in useless activity.

I take a step backward and ask -- what's wrong with being reactive, if you 
react effectively?  I think that what's really being criticized in "reactive" 
people is:

	- being unprepared
	- procrastination ("reacting" to having no clean socks by doing
		the laundry [or buying more socks], as opposed to 
		"proactively" doing laundry before you run out of clean
		socks.
	- not having a plan

As someone mentioned earlier, "psychic" is a pretty good opposite for 
"proactive".  So unless you are psychic, you had better be prepared, don't 
procrastinate, and have a plan.

Clay
642.9well, if we accept "proactive" ...LESCOM::KALLISAnger's no replacement for reason.Thu Jun 15 1989 20:1110
    Re .8 (Clay):
    
>As someone mentioned earlier, "psychic" is a pretty good opposite for 
>"proactive".  So unless you are psychic, you had better be prepared, don't 
>procrastinate, and have a plan.
 
    That's to say, if you want to be proactive, you should incrastinate?
    ;-)
    
    Steve Kallis, Jr.   
642.10SHARE::SATOWFri Jun 16 1989 00:3410
re: .9

>    That's to say, if you want to be proactive, you should incrastinate?
    
Ya got me.  I tried to use parallel construction, but couldn't.

How about "anticrastinate" or "concrastinate"?  Or in the spirit of 
antidisestablishmentarianism, antiprocrastinate? How about "Doitnow"?

Clay
642.11castrinate as an alternative to recastrinate?LESCOM::KALLISAnger's no replacement for reason.Fri Jun 16 1989 01:5315
    Re .10 (Clay):
    
>Ya got me.  I tried to use parallel construction, but couldn't.
>
>How about "anticrastinate" or "concrastinate"?  Or in the spirit of 
>antidisestablishmentarianism, antiprocrastinate?
 
    I used "incastrinate" in the sense that "proactive" would be contrasted
    to "inactive" (then reactive), so "procastrinate" would obviously
    contrast to "incastrinate," following the same scheme.
    
    Isn't "concastrinate" what they do to people taking their holy
    vows? :-D               
    
    Steve Kallis, Jr.
642.12Try a Coumpound WordWOOK::LEEWook... Like 'Book' with a 'W'Fri Sep 22 1989 03:088
    The compound "forward-thinking" might be ok if you like compound words.
    For what it's worth, I think "anticipatory" is the appropriate word,
    though it flows off the tongue like peanut butter.
    
    By the way, if you have "proactive" vs. "reactive", then it should be
    "procrastinate" vs. "recrastinate", n'est-ce pas?
    
    Wook
642.13I looked it up, and it's scary!SVBEV::VECRUMBAInfinitely deep bag of tricksFri Sep 22 1989 10:2312
    "PROACTIVE - adj.(psych.) of the dominance of material learned
    early in life, before the current process of change"

    So, if you thought that being "proactive" was really a code word
    management uses to perpetuate the same old infantile behavior while
    pretending to incite folks to get off their duffs...

    you were _ABSOLUTELY_ correct!


    /petes