Conference thebay::joyoflex

    We have had "Colorizer" paints here for a long, long time.  That's
    where the attendant mixes paint for you on the spot, using a white
    base and tubes of "colorizer".  This way you can have the exact
    shade you want.  I'm sure you must have the same sort of thing there.
    
    Jeff.

  I don't think the creation of "colorize" is that great an offense.  It's
  a brand-new process and deserves a brand-new word.  Using "color" to
  describe the process further overloads that word -- and there is already
  a half column of "color" definitions in my dictionary.

  In contrast, the inventor of "finalize" probably deserves to be taken out
  and shot.

  JP

  P.S. "Gone With The Wind" was originally filmed in color.

    Actually, I believe that "colorization" is a trademarked term
    of the company that adds color by computer for old movies.
    Since there's only one company that's been doing this, trade-
    mark infringement hasn't come up.
    
    Is it really any worse than "polarize"?
    
    --- jerry

    re .3:
    
    Actually there are two companies doing this to films.
    
                                                   
                  /
                 (  ___
                  ) ///
                 /
    p.s. what's the alternative to "polarize"?

    re:.4
    
    Then they must share the trademark, or one licenses it to the
    other. I recently checked a videotape of a colorized film and
    "Colorization" has a trademark symbol.
    
    I didn't mean to say that there was an alternative to "polarize".
    It's just that they scan equally well. There are two reasons why
    the developers of the process used "colorize" rather than "color".
    One is so they can trademark the process, obviously. But it also
    indicates that it's a different product than a color film.
    
    --- jerry

    Many -ize words do seem offensive, especially when they are new.
    Finalize is the one I like the least.  There are many, though, that
    have been around awhile and cause no passion in the listener or
    reader.  "Dramatize" ("dramatise" in England) has been around a
    long time and seems the best way to describe, for example, the act
    of turning a book into a film.
    
    Bernie

Similarly "advertise" is the process of taking a product and making 
statements that advert (allude) to it.  Although I always thought that 
it was the process of taking the truth and barely alluding to it...

					>>>==>PStJTT

    Take one black bear, polarize it, and you can put it in Alaska.
    
    Take one polar bear, colorize it, and you can put it in a circus.
    
    

    Re .9:
    
    Take one polar bear and blackize it, and you've got a panda.
    
    Steve Kallis, Jr.
    

    Strictly speaking, "dithering" is a new term from computer
graphics, and refers to mixing dots of different colors (or gray
levels) to achieve a blend of colors (or gray levels).  Usually, it's
used to reduce some of the computer-y looking effects like jaggies and
stripes in smooth-shaded objects.  For example, if I want to make a
realistic looking picture of a ball, it will be brighter on the side
facing the light, and darker on the opposite side.  In a photograph,
the transition from dark to light would be continuous.  However, in
computer graphics, I only have some limited number of colors to work
with, so I might have to make the transition from dark to light in a
series of bands.  To reduce the effect of the band, I would dither the
colors together along the edge of the band, so they appear to flow
together. 

    "Stippling" comes from conventional art, and can be used for any
number of reasons for different effects.  One use might be something
similar to dithering, ie, blending two colors together, but it can be
used for other things.  Recently, the idea of stippling has become
almost synonymous with dithering ... people speak of stipple patterns
as patterns composed of seemingly randomly scattered dots. 

    I'm not sure how universally accepted this distinction is, but I
would say that more often, dithering is used to overcome limitations
of computer graphics displays, whereas stippling is done for its own
effect ... to create a look of scattered dots. 

    	I didn't know computer graphics was that old - my grandmother
    was describing people who could not make up their minds as "dithering",
    at least 30 years ago.
    
    	(On the other hand, she would also refer to a teenage lad as
    a "stippling" :-)  )

    Dither, meaning to tremble, quake, quiver, or thrill, dates (according
    to the OED) to 1649, a few years before dear Mr Von Neumann was born.
    
    Stipple, dots or small spots used in shading a painting, engraving, or
    other design, is of similar age. Its first reference in the OED is
    1659. The OED guesses that "stipple" comes from the diminutive of
    "stip" meaning point.

    	Jon

    	After the previous note I was worrying about my Grandma being
    so modern. Now I discover she dates back to the mid 17th century
    :-}
    
    		Dave
    

    Back to "colorizing":
    
    "To color a film" means to take a tiny brush and some special paints
    and, by hand, paint the print. My grandmother (who dates from somewhere
    between the 17th century and computer graphics) used to make quite
    a bit of extra cash coloring portraits for people back in the days
    before color film became commonplace. 
    
    I believe, although I'm not positive, that this is how Gone With
    The Wind was filmed. I recall reading that Vivian Leigh's famous
    red dress is in fact brown, because the red filmed like black on
    the black-and-white film and couldn't be colored.
    
    --b
    

    Re .15:
    
    No, _Gone With the Wind_ used the original Technicolor (R) process,
    which employed three cameras, each of which had monochrome film.
    The incoming light was split, much as in color TV cameras, by dichroic
    mirrors (mirrors that reflect one color and pass the rest); thus,
    each film recorded only one of the primary colors.
    
    These were later combined into a final print that had sufficient
    emulsions to provide the color shown on the screen (the whole process
    is rather complex, and involves complex dye transfers at each emulsion
    to replace silver particles).  >>However<<, the sensitivities of
    the early monichrome films were such that the colors shot had to
    be skewed so that they would look "all right" in the final print.
    The early face makeup made uninitiated visitors on a film set think
    they were viewing clowns instead of actors. [Any similarity between
    the two is a matter of personal aesthetics. ;-)]
    
    However, there was an early version of "coloring" filoms.  The movie
    pioneer, Georges Melies, has his films "colored," frame by frame
    by people doing piecework, using brushes with transparent paints.
    
    Steve Kallis, Jr.
    

    Re .12: I think "stippling" should be "stripling".

    Re .17:
    
    Not if he had a bad case of acne. :-)
    
    Steve Kallis, Jr.

    Our three-year old ALWAYS, it seems, takes off her tee shirts in a way
that leaves them in-side-out.  The other night, after another such incident,
she approached me with the shirt and said, "Dad, can you outside this?"

    A four year old I know was wearing a t-shirt that said OUTRAGEOUS
    all over it in small orange letters.  I asked her what her shirt
    said.  Her answer?
    
    Re-ouch-us
    
    

  Shouted from a bumper sticker seen on a suburban Boston highway this
  morning:

		IRISHIZE!

Lew Lasher

    I was watching the Celtics game last night and the announcer
    said "Because of how well the Celtics defensed that play, the Hawks
    will call a time out".

    So, I think to myself "defensed? how illiterate can you get... I
    can't wait to put this in JOYOFLEX for a good laugh! It sure sounds
    like another verbification of a noun if I ever heard it".
    
    However, this morning, just to be on the safe side I decided to
    check the dictionary... and (with some chagrin) I learned that defensed
    can be used in sports exactly as the announcer used it. So, you
    learn something every day.

    Not in the root topic, but, .-1 reminded me.  Sports, don't-you-know.
    I've frequently heard the tongue-in-cheek remark, "he who scores the most
points wins".  In most team-sports competitions, however, there are only two
teams.  I heard a TV-news sports reporter (yes! TV!) say recently, "he who
scores the more points wins".

Jon

    There's definitely something to be seen (heard) in the sports arena
    (pun intended...unfortunately):
    
    Jim McKay introduced us to "athleticize".  I don't remember who it was
    that was athleticizing, but it must have been a figure skaterizer. 
      
    -d

I have heard that before. I don't think you can blame it on Jim.

    G'day,
    
    From a screening of '21 Jumpstreet' 
    
    "The school has been Burglarized threee times recently"
    Derek
    

    re -.1 
    "Burglarized"  has been in fairly common usage for years, here
    (Chicago).
    
    Spd

    G'day
    
    What happened to 'Burgled'? or is it implied that Burglars do more
    than Burgle and that their actions can be directly associated and
    therefor it may be said that the place has ' suffered at the hands
    of a burglar beyond being broken into and having its contents removed
    unlawfully'? 
    
    Derek
     

    re:.28
    
    This may distress you to know, but "burglarize" is more proper
    than "burgle".
    
    From the AMERICAN HERITAGE DICTIONARY (hardcover):
    
    burglarize  tr.v. -ized, -izing, -izes.  To commit burglary in.
    
    burgle  v. -gled, -gling, -gles. Informal. --tr. To burglarize.
    --intr. To commit burglary.  [Back formation from BURGLAR.]
    
    --- jerry

    Re: .29
    
    One up to you.  My dictionary (a real one :-)) also shows "burgle"
    as a back-formation from "burglar".  Something new I've learnt/learned
    today.  There is even a mention of "burglarize", as 'chiefly NAm'.

    Jeff.

>    "Burglarized"  has been in fairly common usage for years, here
>    (Chicago).
    
Certainly that is the reputation of Chicago.

I recently was reading about a process where the idea was to dissolve a 
compound in hot water.  The book warned that certain impurities could 
"insolublize" the compound.  
						>>>==>PStJTT

    
   > >    "Burglarized"  has been in fairly common usage for years,here
   > >    (Chicago).
        
   > Certainly that is the reputation of Chicago. 
    
    I knew I set myself up for that one!  What took you so long?
    
    Spd

    Ahem... G'day
    
    I stand here NOT IN THE LEAST distressed. Once again we have two
    nations separated by a common language. :-)
    
    Since I am not 'chiefly NAm' _I_ shall use burgle et al . _You_
    may continue to Burglarize (with a zee too if you wish) if you so
    desire. I shall not get in a flame, I shall not get in a huff, I
    shall not get my shorts in a twist.....
    
    
    Bet my Oxford dictionary is bigger than your 'Heritage' dictionary 
    AND my names not Charlie...
          
    ANOTHER word _I_ couldn't get used to hearing was 'acclimated'.
    I had always used 'acclimatised' 'till I looked it up (in an American
    dictionary) where I discovered, if my memory serves me well, that
    people become the former but plants, the latter when either had
    a change in surroundings. 
    
    Derek
    ps
    
    interesting innit! not 'put-out' at all, just joshing above. Dj
    

    re:.33
    
    I have no doubt that your Oxford dictionary is bigger than my
    Heritage dictionary (by the way, the only reason I specificed
    the hardcover edition was to indicate that I wasn't referring
    to the paperback *things* that are foisted off on us as "Digital
    Standard Dictionaries). So what does it *say* about "burglarize"
    and "burgle"? That's the important issue.
    
    And "Sorry, Charlie" is a relatively obscure reference to a tv
    commercial. I didn't mean to give the impression that I thought
    it was your name.
    
    --- jerry

    There's nowt wrong with back-formations.  The `proper' British English
    word is `burgle'.
    
    Re Sorry Charlie/ my OED's bigger ...
    
    Not just separated by a common language, we're separated by an
    (increasingly) common culture.  The `My OED...' jibe was an even
    more obscure reference to _ad_fratrem_majorem_ arguments in
    playground (that's `schoolyard') squabbles, of the form `my brother's
    bigger than you'.
    b

re: -1

>    There's nowt wrong with back-formations.  The `proper' British English
>    word is `burgle'.
    
Is it really? My Oxford English Dictionary is smaller than yours, but it's
what it has in it that counts. It claims that 'Burgle' is a colloquial
expression for 'to commit burglary'.

So if the Americans have defined 'burglarize' to be an offically approved
word with a real meaning I suppose they can just get on with burglarizing
each other :-)

	Steve

    Please don't over-interpret my `proper'; I put it in quotation marks
    because I was (implicitly) referring back to an earlier note.  I've
    never said anything about the size of my OED; fact, I don't have
    one. I have the Shorter Oxford English Dictionary at home - but
    I haven't consulted it in the course of this note or its replies.
    
    But even the biggest OED - the one with 13 volumes and 4 (or is
    it 5?) Supplements - is only descriptive, and individuals may choose
    to disagree on matters of usage. One of the less informative
    traits of the Oxford style of dictionary-mongering is that they
    list meanings in historical order - so that `ax' is "preferable"
    to `axe'.  Personally, I've never see any Br English-speaker
    use any spelling other than `axe'; and I don't mean to change
    the way _I_ spell it just to fit in with the `chiefly NAm' among
    us.
    
    If I hear anyone in England saying `We've been burglarized', I'll
    assume they've been watching too much TV (or been gulled by a
    furriner).

    b

    My puny little Webster's paperback lists both burgle and burglarize
    as colloquial.  However, it use "burglarize" in the definition of
    burgle, which, to me, gives burglarize the edge. :^)
    
    Spd

    > Somewhere in its many prefaces, the COD explains the asterisk prefix
    > as signifying either `foreign' or `American' - I forget which.

    Both, surely?  :-) :-) :-)
    
    Jeff.

    Well, I'll be burgled!
    
    Phillip

    Of course Webster's will definerize burgle in terms of burglarize,
    it is an American dictionary ....
    
    just as Oxford could definificate buglarize in terms of burgle because
    it is a British dictionary.
    
    As I mentionerized in note 500 (not realising this discussion was
    going on here), I thought the N Am trend was to simplificate words
    particularly wrt their spelling.  I am bafflerized therefore at
    why they insistify on complicaterizing simple words.
    
    stuart

    Re: several of the foregoing
    
    Speaking of dictionaries, I suppose we should recognize the fact
    that the British may actually have something useful to say about
    the language.  I have, grudgingly, been shopping around for a British
    dictionary.  So far, I've come across three that are available in
    the New World: the Shorter Oxford, Longmanns, and Chambers.  Does
    the Pudding Society - or any other denizen of the Yoo-Kay - have
    a recommendation?
    
    Bernie

    I use and like the Concise Oxford.  It is not too large a tome but
    it does have its limitations.
    
    stuart

    I would go for the Chambers 20th Century dictionary, which I have
    at home. It is used by the compilers of the crossword in my daily
    paper, and is very comprehensive. It even has words like
    sympathomimetic, which was recently disallowed in a TV quiz game
    because they were using the wrong five dictionaries. Also, it has
    that useful word angekok, meaning of course an Eskimo sorcerer or
    shamen.
    
    Buy it.
    
    Ian.

    Whilst I, puddinger of puddingers, go for the SOD.
    
    Phillip

    Depends what you want. SOED for history and Chambers for currency.
    The SOED hasn't been updated since heaven-knows-when; and even then
    there's still the Addenda or Supplement or whatever they call it
    - a section at the end where you have to look if you want to
    find out anything about a word that's been coined fairly recently.
    
    Chambers is cheaper and smaller, and it's pretty quirky (erring
    on the side of Scottishness); but it's a lot more useful if you're
    interested in recent spellings/usages.
    
    I think the Compact Oxford English Dictionary is also available,
    distributed by New York Books Inc - all the splendours of the OED,
    shrunk down to eight pages per page, with a magnifying-glass thrown in.
    Saves a lot of page turning. But this, without the more recent
    Supplements (not included with the Compact edition), is even more
    out-of-date than the Shorter. 

    b

Back to the original topic...

While at a program review this week, I heard a software developer explain 
that part of the effort for the next release of his product was to "genericize" 
some of the more esoteric portions of the code.

Larry

    Heard at a Computer System Services presentation:
    
    "Productize widely saleable custom solutions"
    
    And it was on an overhead too!  (That's how I got the spellings).
    
    Spd

    Seen at an intersection near the Washington Monument:
    
    	"Cross only at signalized intersections"
    
    Invented by my four year old son, whose jacket sleeves turn inside
    out when he takes the jacket off:
    
    	"Daddy, will you please unsleeve my jacket?"
    
    Clay

    Heard of a real estate agent ....
    
    The room is illuminized (-ised) by the beautiful chandelier by night
    and large patio windows by day.
    
    How about the room is illuminated, or even the room is lit ?

    stuart

    It just occurred to me that since the "new verbs" are derived
    from nouns rather than extant verbs, shouldn't the title of
    this topic be "A new verb is birthized"?
    
    --- jerry

    Can anybody answer this one!!!!I've asked at least once before
    in this file :-).
    
    How did Booking it come to mean moving fast?
    
    Bonnie

>   How did Booking it come to mean moving fast?

    When you're stopped by a policeman for moving too fast, he "books" you?

Re: "Booking"

It's a  back-formation of the Indo-European verb "to Boogaloo." 

    Re: .35   "Booking it"
    
    It almost sounds like a corruption of the term "hoofing it" which means
    that you must use your own hoofs for transport because there is nothing
    else available.  And if "someone was really hoofing it", it meant that
    he was walking or running with a bit of deterination.

I'm with .55:

> It's a  back-formation of the Indo-European verb "to Boogaloo." 

...with an obvious intermediate stop at "boogie".

    This, combined with the discussion in #41 about how lexicographers
    gather meanings of words from their usages in the literature make
    me wonder if somewhere down the road, the OED will lower themselves
    to cite Robert Crumb's "Mr. Natural" comics as the source of the
    definition of "moving along" for the word "trucking".
    
    --- jerry

    I just got a humorous mailing of a series of funnies from children's
    school papers; it includes this gem:
    
    "The president has the power to appoint and disappoint the members
    of his cabinet." 
    
    Well, it ought to work that way!
    
    --bonnie

    There is a subtle possibility here ....
    
    Is the "disappointing" phase that time between the actual appointment
    and the member actually taking office, maybe ?

    stuart

    It should be noted in passing that dentists in this area (Westchester
    NY) tend to refer to a patient's cancelling his appointment by saying
    so-and-so "had to dissappoint".
    
    -dave
    

  Last night NPR interviewed one of the editors of the Washington Times
  about a WT editorial that called for the resignation of Ed Meese.  This
  editor(!) twice said that the problem with Meese was that he was
  "perilizing" the Department of Justice.

  And "imperil" is such a _nice_ word.  "Endanger" isn't all that
  shabby, either...

  JP 

    re: perilizing
    
    Perhaps this person was saying that Meese was "paralyzing"
    the Department of Justice.
    
    Sid

Re: .63

Ah, good point.  I didn't get annoyed until the second time he said it.
And it certainly sounded like "perilizing" both times.  This might be
worth a letter to NPR... 

JP

    After saying "perilizing" and "paralyzing" quietly to myself
    several times (the person in the office next door isn't here yet)
    I can't hear a difference.  
    
    --bonnie

Heard yesterday afternoon on the DVN Version 5.0 VMS presentation:

	Q. Will existing applications run any faster under Version 5.0 due to
	   SMP?

	A. It depends upon whether or not the application has been 
	   parallelized.


I was left in a state of parallelysis...

Larry

     Re .-1, at least you didn't have to be suitably nondisclosured
     before being allowed to see the presentation.
     
     Dan

    On a Digital "Interplant Use Only" shipping label:
    
    	DO NOT ADHERE TO METAL OR FINISHED SURFACE
    
    I certainly won't!  (Do they think "stick" is too colloquial?)

        While I might (or might not) APPLY the label to a surface, it is
        up to the label itself to ADHERE.  Presumably the instruction is
        given to label itself, telling it not to stick to metal or
        finished surfaces. 
        
        Tom

    From an ad for Marvin Windows:
    
    	They'll be happy to give you a good, basic backgrounding in
    what to look for ...

    From the minutes of a meeting of our very own _Communications Leaders
    Forum_
    
    'Testimonials position Digital....'
    
    'Advertorials position Digital....'
    
    Roger

This morning I saw a note in which the author said he had been tasked to 
do something.  

Now, if you've seen "The Wrath of Khan" you probably heard him say of
Captain Kirk, "He tasks me...he tasks me, and I shall have him."  In 
that sense, my deskside dictionary tells me task is v.t. meaning to put 
a strain upon.  So I'm not sure if the person meant that they had been 
assigned a task or if they meant that their boss had just gone one over 
job_max for the individual.  But I have this sinking feeling....

					>>>==>PStJTT

    
    re .12
    
    Then blithering must mean the same thing, only with 
    a monochrome framebuffer.

>	< Note 325.72 by PSTJTT::TABER "The project killer" >
>	                           -< I have been tasked... >-


>	Now, if you've seen "The Wrath of Khan" you probably heard him say of
>	Captain Kirk, "He tasks me...he tasks me, and I shall have him."  
    
    I don't have the book handy, but (a possibly failing) memory tells me that 
    the writers of "The Wrath of Khan" must have been plagiarizing Captain 
    Ahab, who said of the Great White Whale:  "It tasks me...it tasks me, and 
    I shall have it."

	-Jim        

     Yes, both the original Khan episode of the series and
     the movie were full of literary refernces like that.
     
     Dan

    re:.75
    
    Well, "full" is going a bit far.
    
    The original series episode quoted from PARADISE LOST, and the
    film quoted from MOBY DICK and A TALE OF TWO CITIES.
    
    --- jerry

    
    
    Toastify - usually refers to "toasting" of villains
               
    Roastify - slower version of the above process, also 
              happens to unfortunate birds and beasts..

Heard on NPR's Morning Edition news program this AM in a report on a
theatrical production which included both professional actors and retarded
people:

	"So-and-so is an abled actor in the company."
			 -----

Larry

    And, in some minutes that I deleted before I had time to identify
    the guilty, I met the ASCII string
    
    				COMMODITIZATION
    
    Ah well, I should be thankful for small mercies I suppose. It did have
    a double M at least.
    
    b

    Seen on a career-planning form:
    
    "Try to use bulletized phrases beginning with action verbs."

    > COMMODITIZATION
    
    This happened in Japan around 10 years ago.  For comparison, having
    just vacated in other countries where it hasn't happened yet:
    I was near the ferry dock in a mid-sized city in the Philippines,
    and had to use the (as they call it) comfort room.  There was a
    hole in the floor, and nothing below the hole, except for a few
    meters of air and then the ocean.  No water for washing up either.
    A prime candidate for commoditization.
    
    >Ah well, I should be thankful for small mercies I suppose.
    
    And what should be our reaction to small punishments?

    G'day,
    
    
    
     From another notes file......
    
    and teh word is....
                                Mirandized
    
    which means....????
    
    
    
    When a person is about to be arrested, they must be readtheir rights
    according to the Miranda judgement. When that has happened, they have
    been
    
    'Mirandized'
    
    derek
    

    It's a legal version of "Simonized".

       
       
       One I saw in a notesfile this week:
       
       "Keyworded"
       
       			
       			->Jay

    So you notesfiled it, right?

    Seen in a mail from 'someone on high' -
    
                  'Incentivate'
    
    
    Arrrrrrggggggghhhhh!

    I presume "incentivate" means to give somebody an incentive.
    
    The process of doing so is then "incentivation".
    
    And the opposite is "deincentivation", and a person who does so is a
    "deincentivator", or perhaps a "deincentor".

    Does this mean that you support antidisincentivatearianism?

    As in "motivate" and "rotate". Used, for example, in "OK guys, let's
    motate outta here".
    
    Much agony in one statement!
    
    Ray

    	"incentivate" could also be what you do to a product. For example,
    if, when a customer buys DEC's special offer of the week, the salesman
    gets extra sales credits then that product is temporarily
    incentivated?

    "Incentivate" is too long for this new fast-moving world of
    commoditudinous servicizing.  In my morning mail I found that one of
    the software engineering group's goals is to "incente the field to sell
    SW".
    
    This shouldn't be confused with "incense the field", the goal towards
    which we've traditionally striven.
    
    Ray

From a course I just took here at DEC:

Operationalizing what you have learned.

    operationalizing, n.  the process of explaining away objections until
    you believe you are a surgeon

    Until recently I have had the pleasure of working with a lady who
    enjoyed language as much as myself:  we often had lingualogues,
    including one about the delicious phrase "operationalize the vision".
    
    Anyway (getting to the point) my job at the moment is to make Total
    Quality Management (TQM) a working reality here in the UK Software
    Support Centre.  To do this, I reckon that I have to get TQM off the
    pages of the books and get people to the point where it is under their
    skin....
    
    ... therefore my job is to "subcutanealize the vision" :-)
    
    Jon
    
    (who has been reading and enjoying for a few weeks and just about feels
    lexicographically confident enough to join the throng)

    Re: lexicographically
    
    So write a hig pig on the subject.  You've got the hard part. That and
    "Jonathon Morris san" gets you off to a good start. And with
    "subcutanealize", you could put in two 6-syllable words.

    From today's "Calvin and Hobbes":
    
    	Verbing weirds language.
    
    'nuf said.
    
    -b

    At a rough guess there are 300,000 identical verb-noun pairs in the
    English language, such as the following, off the top of my head.  Verbs
    or nouns?
    
    	post, pill, pilot, dog, foul, run, walk, talk, smell, taste, shoot,
    	cream, bond, tower, frame, steal, knife, reason, contact (aha!),
    	burn, bite, moan, plate, plane, plow, book, film, show, style,
        wait, surrender . . .
    
    

    >contact (aha!),
    
    Why did you aha that one?  What does it special?
    
    Meanwhile...
    Dog bites man.  Bite dogs man.  Man dogs dog.  Man mans dog.  Man bites dog.

    The `aha' may have had something to do with stress; with no useful
    dictionary to hand, I can't be sure what. I know in in _my_ speech
    (and that of many Br English speakers, `compact' is stressed
    differently as between noun and verb [and noun and adjective for
    that matter - there is a dwindling minority who won't say "'com-
    pact disc", but I digress). I'm not sure if I make a similar
    distinction for "contact" - I suspect I used to put the stress
    on the second syllable twenty years ago, but now I'm less picky.
    
    Anyway, regardless of finger-pointing about stressing the root
    "contact", stress reverts to the second syllable when a
    third is added by a verb inflexion.
    
    b

re: .101

>    The `aha' may have had something to do with stress; 

I have heard that breathing excercises and muttering meaningless syllables 
could relieve stress, but I had no idea it could be done electronically.  

Clay

    it's
    
    "I had no idea it could be electronized."
    
    Hope this helps.
    

  >>Meanwhile...
  >>Dog bites man.  Bite dogs man.  Man dogs dog.  Man mans dog.  Man bites dog.

	...and the ever popular: 

		bytes dog man

    The "aha" on "contact" was meant to signify a special place in the list
    as one of the "verbed" nouns that is most annoying to purists.  I think
    the single most annoying "verbed" noun is "loan".  Even with my
    libertarian views on the subject, "loan" as a verb, even if partitioned
    off as correct only in reference to money, drives me up the wall.
    
    These two, I believe, have led others to think that "verbing" is a
    terrible thing that should never happen to a noun.  The point of my
    note was that it has happened countless times, but some of the more
    recent ones still have the power to annoy.
    

    Oh yes, there are many more "verbed" nouns where the stress changes.
    
    

    re: .102
    	Stop downing the poor duck when with a little more tact you could
    up his morale. If you pick on him too much he might take his pick to
    you next or duck you to damp your down (if it isn't damp already).

    re: .102 and .103
    
    Surely, the bornization of "it could be done elctronically" is better
    as "it could be electronicised " than as "it could be electronized" as
    the former preservifies better the original intending.  ;-}
    
    Jon

    This was relayed to me by a colleague who knows I participate here.
    
    He heard a radio advertisement for a concern in Chelmsford, MA, that
    will "clean and preserve and heirloom your wedding dress."  The ad, he
    says, goes on to describe in detail the heirlooming process...
    
    -dick

    So, I just Makitaed the plywood up there and . . .
    

    I heard a new one at a training seminar yesterday.  The speaker
    referred to vendors being "incentivized" to adopt a particular
    strategy.
    
    -Tom

    This insensitivation to the language is insensible and it incensifies me.

    Recently, on the radio:
    
    ...  we should have [this country] embargoed. ...
    
    Speaker was a representative of one US State department or the other.
    
    
    And a new pronoun, invented by a British Labour MP: ad-hocery, in
    describing the nature of the British Prevention of Terrorism Act (in
    his view).
    


                                                  - Rik -
    

    I was in a meeting last week in which we were using Affinity Charts. 
    The tutor said "Once you have got all your topics affinitised...."
    
    
    Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrgggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!

    Re .113
    
    Not so fast there!  :-)
    
    According to W9NCD, embargo is a transitive verb meanint go place an
    embargo on.
    
    -dick

    I don't normally have access to Websters', especially not when driving.
    At any rate, I could figure out what he meant but, ehm, um, sometimes
    one should boycott this indiscriminate verbing. 


                                                  - Rik -
    

    WEll, I might have rejected the Websterization, but it's also in the
    OAD as a verb.
    
    -dick

    "Ad-hocery" is a noun, not a pronoun.  I have a feeling it might be
    legitimate too, but I'm not sure.  Regardless, it is not a pronoun.
    
    -- Norman Diamond

    RE:.113,.118, ad-hocery
    
    I meant adjective, not pronoun. Something slipped between gramatically
    parsing the sentence (in Dutch) and putting down the result.
    


                                                  - Stoneshop -
    

    Actually, I suspect that "ad-hocery" is yet another new direction in
    linguistic bastardy, i.e., nouning an adverb.  It is not recognized by
    any of the dictionaries I have at my disposal (AHD, W9NCD, OAD, OED).
    
    -dick

    Re .119
    
    Still wrong.  :-)  "Ad-hocery" is a thing, hence it is a noun, not an
    adjective, which describes a noun.
    
    Non sequitur:  What does the Dutch name Taelman or Taleman mean?
    
    -dick

    Ad-hocery on its own may be a noun, but in this case it was used as an
    adjective:
    
    ... to put a stop on this ad-hocery legislation ...
    
    My brain is a little sluggish today so I'm not going to argue about
    grammar (unless you pay for the full half hour :-). Chances are that
    I'd be pulling the short end anyway.
    
    
    In re non sequitur (Taelman): the -ae- is an ancient form of -aa-. 
    Taal = languange. So literally it means Languageman or -person :-).
    More loosely it may have meant storyteller. Another possibility is that
    is has been formed from the German "Thaler", a coin (stretching the
    pronounciation a little it's a small step from Thaler to Dollar). Which
    implies the person concerned may have been a banker, or a bookkeeper.
    But I can't tell for sure, I don't have an etymology of names to look
    it up. 


                                                  - Stoneshop -
    

    Well, if the law was intended to prohibit ad-hocery, then ad-hocery
    would still be a noun in ad-hocery legislation, though it would be
    a noun adjunct.
    
    Incidentally I once read a banker criticize customers who speak of
    safety deposit boxes, saying that safety is a noun.  But did he ask
    them to say safe depositary boxes?  No, he said safe deposit boxes.
    Where's that hypocrisy conference again?

    re .120
    
    and potentially ratholing
    
>    Actually, I suspect that "ad-hocery" is yet another new direction in
>    linguistic bastardy, i.e., nouning an adverb.  It is not recognized by
>    any of the dictionaries I have at my disposal (AHD, W9NCD, OAD, OED).
    
    I don't have a dictionary to hand.  Perhaps somebody could confirm the
    existence of the transitive verb "to noun" :-?
    
    Jon

    Re .124
    
    >Perhaps somebody could confirm the existence of the transitive verb
    >"to noun" :-?
    
    It exists in .120, and its existence is renouned throughout the land.

    > In re non sequitur (Taelman): the -ae- is an ancient form of -aa-. 
    > Taal = languange. So literally it means Languageman or -person :-).
    > More loosely it may have meant storyteller. Another possibility is that
    > is has been formed from the German "Thaler", a coin (stretching the
    > pronounciation a little it's a small step from Thaler to Dollar). Which
    > implies the person concerned may have been a banker, or a bookkeeper.
    > But I can't tell for sure, I don't have an etymology of names to look
    > it up. 
    
    Sounds like a possible translation of this name into English (using
    either "language" or "Thaler" as a root) would be "Teller."
    
    					andrew

    Insequi ipsum quod non sequitur :-) when did the German Thaler come
    into existence?  I have documentation of the Taelman family in The
    Netherlands around 1600-1610.
    
    -dick

    The "Dollar" from "Thaler" connection starts with the discovery
    of a large body of silver ore in Joachismthal in Bohemia, which
    at the time (around 1700) was under Austrian control.
    
    "Joachismthal" is the old spelling of "Joachismtal", in English
    meaning "Joe's Valley", for some value of "Joe".
    
    I don't think there's any deep connection with the root of "tell";
    the English cognate for "t(h)al" is "dale", as in "hill and dale".
    The German cognate for "tell" is "zahl"--compare with "to tell
    (number) one's beads (prayers)".
    
    		-John Bishop

    What political or religious views does Joachism adopt? :-) (Joe's
    valley is Joachimstal or -thal). 
    
    But the Dutch word 'daalder' (c.f. thaler) is certainly older than
    ~1700. So I'm a bit hard pressed to accept Thaler being derived from
    Joachimsthal. 
    
    Also, dropping the (silent) -h- (as in Thaelman - Taelman - Taalman) is
    not uncommon in Dutch. There are more important things we have to do
    than keeping some stuffy useless -h- in a name, like keeping the water
    from going where we don't want it (i.e. large parts of Holland) :-)
    

    Could someone please clarify to me what is wrong with verbization?
    It seems to me that since English is a dynamic language there is no
    particular reason why this method of arriving at new words is
    any worse than the others.  Or is it simply an issue of tradition?
    
    Doug.
    

    "Verbization" is often ugly, and frequently the result of mental
    laziness.  Instead of discovering an already existent, usable
    word, the "verbizers" coin a clumsy, ugly and frequently inadequate
    word.  American English already boasts the richest, most extensive
    vocabulary in the history of speech; despite this, lazy-brained
    speakers cobble together grotesque neologisms all the time... 

>>    vocabulary in the history of speech; despite this, lazy-brained
>>    speakers cobble together grotesque neologisms all the time... 

	And how does one measure the grotesquitudinality of such
	cobblizations?  

    By measuring the circumloquatiousizationality.

Re .131


This subject was discussed at length on BBC Radio 4 on April 13 in an
interview with an OED editor.  The editor said that the OED would recognise
all dynamic transformations of the English language vocabulary and grammar
that had come into common usage and would be developing a notation for 
recognising words as verbs in their own right when they had been derived from 
what would otherwise be clearly recognised as a noun. 

Their policy is that English is a living language and
one of the most flexible (least restrictive?) in existence.  He stated that
there were thousands of commonly accepted noun-verb transformations in
accepted use that the OED would recognise.  

Quite contrary to being "lazy-brained" (Hmm - what sort of grammatical 
construct is this?), linguists and the OED recognise this capacity as one of 
continuing human linguistic contextual optimisation and they are embracing it.

They concluded with a statement that there was nothing quite like a "verbed noun"
appearing in the OED or used on BBC programmes to get the letters flooding
in from pedants.  - Their words - not mine and no offence intended.

\Chris\

  >>  By measuring the circumloquatiousizationality.

	That's what I thought.

    .130 -- You are absolutely right.  There is nothing wrong with turning
    a noun into a verb or vice-versa.  See .99, .105, .110 for my earlier
    thoughts.  Many, many, many English words have the same form for verb
    and noun.
    
    Water the plants with water.  A creep creeps down the street.  He
    knifed him with a knife.  Burden him with burdens.  Load him with a
    load.  That bum bums me out.  The minister ministers his parish.  The
    pilot pilots the plane.  The contact has not contacted me yet.  Reel in
    on the reel.  She slipped on her slip.  Please raise my raise.  We
    roofed it over with a new roof.  
    
    When new ones come along, reactionaries react, and not all of the new
    ones make it, but there are hundreds of thousands of these already in
    place, including some of the most common verbs and nouns in our
    language.  
    
    That is not to say that there aren't many cases where the careful
    stylist avoids the use of such words, but there is nothing whatsover
    that prohibits them.  Nothing.  Zero.  Nada.
    
    What if someday "take a picture" were replaced by "camera it"?  Would
    that be fatal?  

 >>   "Verbization" is often ugly, and frequently the result of mental
 >>   laziness.  Instead of discovering an already existent, usable
 >>   word, the "verbizers" coin a clumsy, ugly and frequently inadequate
 >>   word.

	Agree with you.  Too true.

    Now, I'm not saying that nouns shouldn't be verbed, or vice versa.
    I'm simply saying that the "best" word should be used -- if it already
    exists, use it; if it doesn't, create it.  
    
    					andrew

    Re .138
    
    Hear, hear!  The trouble is that many people won't trouble to use the
    forms already in use; they'd rather form their own.

    I'm willing to guess that we only tend to notice "verbizations" if
    they *are* ugly and clumsy, and then we tend to jump to the comclusion
    that all constructions of this sort are ugly and clumsy, which is
    obviously not true.  
    
    -ellie 

    Agreed -- as I said in my earlier reply, my objection to "bad
    verbizations" is esthetic, not grammatical...
    
    					andrew

    What's all this stuff about "verbizations"?  Although the base note
    title is incorrect, the complaint was about verbing.  Some verbed
    nouns esthete less than others do.  No one was complaining about
    grammatical suffixification following established rules.  Sheesh.

    "Verbization" appeared in response .130 -- you're right, it's even
    uglier than "verbing."
    
    					andrew

        Notes> set note 325.0 /title="A new verb is bornizationalized."
        
        :-)
        
        Dan

    I think maybe the new ones sound crude while the old ones are easy to
    take because familiar.
    

    I heard the OED interview mentioned in .134, and remember one other
    thing that is apposite to this string: the OED are going to list
    the verb `to verb', with the obvious meaning.
    
    On a related subject, I came across the new noun phrase `a customer
    leave-behind' today, with the meaning of `something designed to be left
    behind at a customer site during a promotional visit'. I'm confident
    that I'll never use this form, but fully expect that it will get verbed
    in due course, so that a salesman will say `X company has been
    leave-behinded'. The phrase lip-curlized me, but I can't conceive of a
    more appropriate way of conveying its meaning in less than a line (with
    SET TER/WI=80, that is) of text.
    
    b

      'customer leave-behind'

      Actually, that sounds like a verb that got nouned.

      - Jim

>    "Verbization" appeared in response .130 -- you're right, it's even
>    uglier than "verbing."
    
    
    Well I would say that if one accepts "to verb" as the verbization
    of the noun "verb", then "verbization" and "verbing" are perfectly
    acceptable.  (Although "verbalize" is listed as "to convert
    to a verb" in my dictionary, so "verbalization" is surely acceptable.)
    
    On the other hand, "bornized" is particularly grating because "born"
    is an adjective.  However, I will accept it because "big", for
    example, is an adjective that has been nounized ("an individual
    or organization of outstanding importance <a chance to play in
    the bigs (big league)>").  I would argue, though, that if one is
    to verbize a nounized adjective then the associated meaning should
    follow along with the change--thus if someone is "bigized" then he
    has been transferred to the majors, not simply been made bigger.
    
    Similarly, if the context in which born was nounized to "born" was
    such that the new noun is specifically associated with English
    language words, then use of "bornize" in that context is also ok:
    
    born (adj): brought forth by birth
    born (n):   a word converted from another part of speech
    		"use a born in the next sentence"
    bornize (v): the act of converting a word from another part
    		of speech
    		"that word was bornized"
    
    It's not clear to me that it's ok to bornize by verbizing
    an adjective directly to a verb without the intermediate
    nounization.
    
    

    

    Hey, "born" is a verb its own self!
    

    I retract 325.148.  By counterexample, "Please yellowize this area
    of this movie frame" is a perfectly expectable statement in the
    process of colorizing a film.  And yellow is not a noun.  Thus
    verbization of both nouns and adjectives is ok.

That yellow is too bright.

 >I retract 325.148.  By counterexample, "Please yellowize this area
 >of this movie frame" is a perfectly expectable statement in the

Well, yes, in the sense that one might expect that one is
going to hear malformed utterances, whether one likes it
or not.   That doesn't make it acceptable, though.
   

    What's unacceptable about it?  Adding -ize is one of the ways we extend
    the language?  
    
    From W9NCD:
    
    -ize - vb suffix 1a(1) cause to be or conform to or resemble
    <systemize><Americanize>: cause to be formed into <unionize> (2)
    subject to a (specified) action <plagiarize> (3) impregnate or treat
    with <albumenize> b: treat like <idolize> c: treat according to the
    method of <bowdlerize> 2a become: become like <crystallize> b: be
    productive in or of <hypothesize> : engage in a specified activity
    <philosophize> : adopt or spread the manner of activity or the teaching
    of
    
    USAGE The suffix -ize has been productive in English since the time of
    Thomas Nashe (1567-1601) who claimed credit for introducing it into 
    English to remedy the surplus of monosyllabic words [sic].  Almost any
    noun or adjective can be made into a verb by adding -ize <hospitalize>
    <familiarize>; many technical terms are coined this way <oxidize> as
    well as verbs of ethnic derivation <Americanize> and verbs derived from
    proper names <bowdlerize> <mesmerize>  Nashe noted in 1591 that his
    coinages in -ize were being complained about and to this day new words
    in -ize <finalize> <prioritize> are sure to draw critical fire.
    
    

    re .152
    
    Yellowize sounds odd, I admit, but how is it substantially different
    from "blacken", "redden", "whiten", which are not unusual at all?  IN
    French, every color is "verbizable".  The "en" suffix doesn't sound
    right with "yellow", so I guess the "ize" is a better choice.  
    
    It's interesting, I think, that these three colors are ones that we have
    verbs associated with, to indicate increasing their intensity.  Of
    course, grass also "greens up" in the spring....
    
    -ellie

An example of another form of "yellow" as a verb is

	Newsprint yellows if exposed to sunlight.

It's not a new usage either.  From my youth (that's a long time ago) I 
remember an advertising slogan "Never Yellows."  I don't remember the 
product; I think it was floor wax.

Clay

    As newspapers lose their traditional markets to television, one
    response is to yellowize their coverage to attract more attention.
    

I looked up a bunch of colors in my DEC-issue AHD.  Yellow, green, and blue
are defined as "to make or become <color>" (i.e. transitive and intransitive).
Black is defined as "to make black" (i.e. transitive only) and blacken is
defined as "to make or become black" (i.e. transitive and intransitive).
White and red aren't listed as verbs, but we have whiten and redden.

Any suggestions for orange?

    
    Orangulate?
    
    JP
    

>    Orangulate?

Better late than never.    

    I would prefer Orangify
    
    Come to that I would prefer yellowify to yellowize.
    
    All of this to intensize the language huh?
    
    Jon

>    All of this to intensize the language huh?

Did you really have to huhify your sentence?

    I love Thomas Nashe, but, though he certainly polysyllabized like mad,
    I never knew his role in suffixizing the language.
    
    Ray

    The verb empurple dates back to 1590 and means (vi) to become purple or
    (vt) to color or tint purple.
    

    The verb empurple appears on a regular basis in the novels of Rafael
    Sabatini.

    What did Europeans call orange before the orange was discovered?
    
    					andrew

    The word leading to orange was in place before the Christian Era; in
    Sanskrit, naranga means an orange tree.  Etymological descent to Europe
    was westward via Persian.
    
    The Romans called a similar color croceus, meaning saffron-colored. 
    (Actually, it's a golden yellow.)  I don't know a Latin word for "pure"
    orange, although it's possible that by the 3d century CE they knew and
    used the Persian word from their trading enterprises into and beyond
    Parthia.

    I always thought the color was named after the fruit.  Are you saying
    the fruit was named after the color?
          
    					andrew

    Re: .165, .166, .167
    
    Aren't you satisfied with the exhaustive treatment of this in topic 832?
    
Lew Lasher

    I suspected it was in here -- thanks for the pointer.

    .153's excerpt from W9NCD omits the derivation of "womanize"
    (unless it's part of meaning (3) :-)

    "To white" is a verb, at least in the phrase "whited sepulcher",
    although "to whiten" is probably more common.  I think someone has
    already mention "to black" and "to blacken".
    
    "Greening" seems to be making it, implying a "to green".
    

Seen on the back page of the August 16th issue of "digital today":

"According to one sales manager, the plan is one that truly incents
and rewards performance and which has already significantly, positively
impacted the morale of the sales force."

This manglement brought to you "courtesy of U.S. Communications."

Between "incents and rewards" and "significantly, positively impacted",
I don't know whether to laugh or cry. If this is really a quote from
a sales manager, I'd have quoted and [sic]ed it. ;-)

Wook

    These folx need an incentiary bomb dropped on 'em.  THAT'll impact 'em.
    
    :-)
    

The word "incents" incenses me.  Those who utter it
are either insensate or insensible.

They should all get their current dollar salaries, but paid incents.

And no myrrh.

___Pete

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From: pickrell@netcom.com (Brian Pickrell)
Subject: Verbing Nouns

On another subject,
Tammi A Yiakoumatos (tyiakoum@mason1.gmu.edu) keyed in:
[...]
: Anyway, I found the laundry listing of his designer materials possessions 
: to be interesting, [...]

The current fad of verbing nouns is out-of-handing lately.  It's easy to
etymology hundreds of cases in the English language where people have
neologismed in this way, and over the years, most of these usages have
legitimacied.  Sometimes, it isn't even possible to distinction the
noun and the verb, i.e. "work." 

I postulate that the current craze is rooted in one of two phenomena:
Computer people who contempt accepted usage by tradition and are tired
of acronymming, and people who try to attention-monger by in-grouping
their vocabularies.  To for-instance the latter, those who protested
lumbering in recent years would spike trees with iron spikes, junking
any saws that impacted the spikes.  They labelled this "monkey-wrenching,"
although an existing word, "sabotage," evidences an identical meaning
(and nearly identical origin).  Apparently, they guessed that a word 
that already in-uses wouldn't impact their audience the same way.

Will the new words test-of-time?  A few will; most will new-Coke.
To everybody out there:  When authoring a verbed noun or colloquialism,
please thesaurus first to see if you can synonym it with a real word.

To Miss Yiakoumatos, sorry to limelight you like this.  I just had to
two-cents a little.

Brian Pickrell
--
Warmest regards,
Colin Kendall.
Phone (813) 371-0811 extension 6842
    

    In a recent meeting with my next employer, someone indicated that the
    sales force was "incented" and since the topic included general
    statements about compensation for efforts we all knew what was meant.
    I later looked it up in my AHD and, hmmmm, no such word.  Was there
    ever an English verb "to incent"?
    
    At least they didn't say "incentivized"  :-)
    
    ed

    	It may be more tactful to use a non-word like "incented" than to
    say "The sales force is given a sufficiently high rate of commission
    that they can afford to share it with (or incent ;-) the customer's
    staff".

    That word is noncents.

You may have had a problem, but you don't have to have a problem any more. 
There may not be a solution, but all is not lost.


The problem has been "workarounded".


Chele

I found a new verb in a Usenet newsgroup (a misc.forsale one): 

             to spam,

used in a sentence as 'as long as <person> isn't spamming, it's OK with me', in
a thread about semi-commercial ads.

A rather nice one, IMHO. Monty Python adepts should have no problem determining
its intended meaning, the others will be enlightened tomorrow (I had to think
about it too for a couple of minutes, before I hit on the MPFC connection).

                                                        
                                                  - Rik -

    If I understand correctly, "spam" was a British contribution to Usenet
    though perhaps it was a noun that was recently verbed.  However, even
    the verbedified revise is past its introduce stage, since it was famed
    by a pair of Green Slime Lawyers.
    
    In the U.S., "spam" is a form of poisoning.

    Wendy'd - To be given direction by Corporate HQ. eg: DVN - Wendygram.
    "Hi - I'm a Wendy and I'm here to help you!"
    Biggie - A big Wendy
    99-center - a Wendy but a 1st-level Wendy
    eg: "Any new Capital request needs a Dave or Biggie signature and all
    you've got is a 99-center."
    
    

    Subj:	Electronic Weekly article on Fab 6
    
    			DEC seeks fab-share deal
    			------------------------
    
    	DEC is looking for someone to share its latest wafer fab
    	in Hudson, Massachusetts, which is still in the process
    	of being prepared for production.
    
    	"There have been discussions," confirmed a DEC
    	spokeswoman. Obvious potential partners are Motorola,
    	which bought DEC's Scottish fab earlier this year, and
    	AMD, which is having its microprocessors made by DEC and
    	needs more capacity.
    
    	"The construction is completed, the building is fully
    	facilitised and  we're in the process of putting the
    	production equipment in place and qualifying it,", said
    	the spokeswoman.
    
    	"The fab is scheduled to start producing revenue-creating
    	chips in 1996."
    
    	DEC's investment in the fab is $425m. It will be capable of
    	0.35-micron processing when it comes on-stream with the
    	capability of going down to 0.25-micron.
    
    
    	ELECTRONICS WEEKLY FEB 15TH.
    

    >			DEC seeks fab-share deal
    			---
    
    Who are they?  Is some company trying to infringe on Digital's
    facilitisation of trademarks?

    re .186
    
    that's "infringementize", surely ?           :-)
    
    Dave
    

I'd hate to see any more infringementizationalism around here.  I guess
that at heart I'm just not an infringementizationalismatist.

___Pete

    > creepingGermanificationalism
    
    Don't you mean sesquipedalianisticinsinuationalism?

    I meant the PEJORATIVE sense of sesquipedalianisticinsinuationalism, 
            floccinauccinihilipilifisesquipedalianisticinsinuationalism.
    
    Try to keep up eh??
    

    G'day,
     ahem.. does that make you a 
      floccinauccinihilipilifisesquipedalianisticinsinuationalismist
    or perhaps
    a floccinauccinihilipilifisesquipedalianisticinsinuationalismistophile
    or
    a floccinauccinihilipilifisesquipedalianisticinsinuationalismistophobe?
              
    
    derek

    come on, you're still getting the word on one line !
    

    Which leads to the question, perhaps most appropriate for those
    Welshophones in this conference...  What's the convention for continua\*
    tion lines when a word is too long for a given line and hyphenation
    is just right out??
    

    Gosh Dan that's simple:
    
    take out as many letters in that word as you need to fit it on the
    line!
    
    --Angela
    
    p.s. I believe the correct convention is to move the entire word to the
    next line.

    In Japanese, you just break the word and continue on the next
    line, with no hyphenation or anything.  Computer terminals often
    do this, though some have to be told.  Additional rules are that
    small kana (most of which modify the sound of the preceding ordinary
    kana, except one which represents a silent syllable) and equivalents
    of the period and comma cannot go at the beginning of a line, so if
    they would fall off the end of a line then the line is lengthened
    to keep the character.  (Computer terminals have a bit more trouble
    doing this :-)
    
    Some software breaks characters in the middle too.  This is not
    supposed to be done in Japanese writing :-)
    
    Digital standard (what you get if you reset your teminal until you
    restore its saved settings) is to delete a substring adjacent to
    the last character.  Editors only appear to delete a substring but
    will show it to you if you learn how.
    
    -- Norman Diamond

    "Welshophone" is an appalling neologizationism. Not that I can replace
    it with another single word, however. The English term would appear to
    be "Welsh-speakers" (of any nationality); the Welsh use "Cymry Cymraeg"
    which means "Welsh Welshmen" (of not just any nationality).
    
    Useless fact: the Welsh for "rat" is "llygoden Ffrangeg", which means
    "French mouse"; the inexplicable thing here is that the Welsh have
    passed up a golden opportunity to insult the English and have chosen to
    atack le pays d'amour instead.
    
    Is there any other Indo-European language where the English word "rat"
    is not translated by a similar word (e.g "Ratte" in German) ?
    
    Twll llygoden Ffrangeg ydy hwn (this is a rat-hole).       :-)
    

    Re .197: Remember that the historically harshest times for the Welsh
    were when they were invaded by the Plantagenets kings of England
    (mostly Edward I) and these kings were more Norman French than English.
    The same could be said of most of their barons as well.
    			Denis.

From:	MPGS::COHEN        15-MAR-1995 04:52:06.26
To:	BOB_F,JIM_B,RICHARD_S
CC:	COHEN
Subj:	Microsoft in the News Business

**************************************
Headline:   INTERACTIVE WEEK UNCOVERS MICROSOFT ON-LINE  NEWS PUBLISHING GROUP 


  GARDEN CITY, N.Y.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--March 13, 1995--Interactive Week
revealed today through its World Wide Web electronic magazine that
Microsoft Corp. is preparing to launch its own electronic news service. 
The service will be part of a broad package of content offerings for the
Microsoft Network on-line service, due this summer.
  According to Interactive Week reporters Brock N. Meeks and Wendy Goldman
Rohm, Microsoft today scrambled to put out brush fires when information
about the news service was leaked by a Microsoft employee who identified
himself on an invitation-only Internet forum as a "journalist."  The
Microsoft "journalist" then proceeded to discuss the company's plans to be
in the news business.
  In explaining the employee's on-line posting, Bill Miller, director of
marketing for Microsoft's on-line services group, acknowledged the
previously undisclosed plans for the news service, tentatively called the
Microsoft News Service.
  However, Miller vowed that the company wouldn't be creating any original
content.  "It seems we've created some real confusion out there," Miller
said.  "What we're creating is not unlike what's on other on-line services
-- but we hope to do it better.  We're buying news feeds and news sources
and repurposing them on-line."                 
  Insisting that Microsoft will not be in the business of creating news
stories, Miller said, "We do think there's a lot of value we can add to
news feeds in the way we format them and present them in a richer way
on-line.  We'll have a small staff of editorial people who will be adding
a human element to it."
  When asked what that human element might consist of, Miller said, "Making
decisions such as giving one story a bigger headline and another one a
smaller headline.  We're pushing these things into a layout, if you
will."
  Merely the idea of Microsoft being in a position to edit the presentation
of news made many journalists bristle.  "How can Microsoft cover the
computer industry, even if it's just making presentation choices?" asked
Ralph Frattura, assistant managing editor at the Sacramento Bee.
  In the process of creating the news service, Miller said that Microsoft
realized it would have to "bite the bullet"  when it came to not censoring
potentially critical news articles about the company.
  Miller said, "We even joked about having a `Microsoft Sucks' column.  We
realized that if you try to control the content, you'll have an even
bigger problem."
  Miller acknowledged that Microsoft has hired a number of editors for the
forthcoming news service.  While Microsoft is said to be creating a
"Microsoft news room" in the Seattle area apart from its corporate campus,
Miller said that "much of the head-count is people who will do technical
work."
  A detailed version of this story can be found on Interactive Week's
electronic magazine on the Internet at: http://www.interactive-week.com
and on CompuServe: GO IAWEEK.
  Interactive Week is a bi-weekly business newsmagazine covering the
developing interactive marketplace.

    CONTACT: Interactive Week
             Brock N. Meeks, Washington Bureau Chief (202) 408-7027
             Wendy Goldman Rohm, Editor At Large, (708) 869-3140
21:18 ET   MAR 13, 1995
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Storydate: 03/14/1995
Headline:   INTERACTIVE WEEK UNCOVERS MICROSOFT ON-LINE  NEWS PUBLISHING GROUP 
MsgDate: 03/14/1995
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NewsSource: BW  
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categoryMarketSector: M/CYC M/TEC
categoryProduct/Service: P/ELP
categoryGeographic: R/NME R/PRM R/US R/USW R/WA

    [From a change request. Elision to protect the guilty...]
    
    Business Purpose:         To incent the Sales organization to deliver 
    the maximum level of sales in Q4.
    
    [...]

re -.1;

See .92, .111

Yesterday's Boston Globe contained a series of book reviews by M. R. 
Montgomery on page B34. In it we find

"This book has trees in it," succincted the callow critic.

I've decided to not add it to my active vocabulary.

    Had the writer said
    
    ``"This book has trees in it," callowed the critic succinctly.''
    
    Would you have accepted that into your active vocabulary?
    
    (exsphinctered he)
    

read yesterday: "we have allot to learn".

In a memo just arrived on my desktop:

	"... making progress on highering someone ..."

Some people wouldn't lower themselves to be highered by Digital.

___Pete

From an AP report, 1 October 1995:

		"Mormon Church Not For Naysayer"

	"SALT LAKE CITY (AP) -- There is no place in the Mormon Church for
	naysayers who point to past problems while ignoring its bright
	future, the faith's president said Sunday....

	"Two years ago, six people who had written about Mormon history and
	new interpretations of theology were summoned to church
	disciplinary councils. Five were excommunicated and one was
	disfellowshipped."

Disfellowshipped!

___Pete

disfellowshipped < fellowshipped

The verb has a bad geneology.

Wook

    >The verb has a bad geneology.
    
    But it has a bright future.

    Just read this in the MCS Newsletter "Rapidly Changing Face of
    Computing".... went to the toilet and threw up then came back here to
    share it with all of you ... apologies if you've thrown up over your
    own copy already.
    
    I quote (actually I cut and paste):
    
    "When software was "ancillary" to business success, bugs were expected
    and tolerated.  But today, the MCSD Strategic Planning Group's
    Megatrend of "Informatization of the Workplace" is gaining serious
    momentum.  Today, even small businesses are becoming dependent on their
    software."
    
    Unquote.
    
    "Megatrend" ???
    "Informatization" ??? 
    "serious momentum" ???
    Aaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrgggggggggggghhhhhhhhh!
    
    I despair.
    
    Jon

    Re .209:
    "Informatization" may be awfull in English, but "informatiSation" is
    							      ^
    correct French. Was the author French?
    			Denis.

    I am not making this up. I attended a meeting a while back in which
    the topic of staffing growth came up. Someone said that the group would
    "have to manage growth carefully" and another amplified the thought
    with, "We've got to be real planful around that." I am not making this
    up. This was a DEC (Digital Equipment Corporation) meeting and this was
    a DEC ( Digital Equipment Corporation) employee speaking.
    It's real clear this group had not been quite planful enough around 
    that.
    Bruce
    
    
    

Bob Palmer used "planfully execute" in a DVN broadcast.

    Can anybody identify a source for the increasingly popular game of
    adding `-icity' to adjectives?  
    
    For example, last night I was watching a science program in which an
    archaeologist from the British Museum persistently (and maliciously)
    used the word `robusticity'.
    
    He certainly meant `robustness' but had probably been seduced by some
    subversive counter-lingual group intent on `enriching' the English
    language.  Either that or his education didn't include the two year
    course on Proper Use of a Dictionary.
    
    The reason I ask about the source is that, once identified, we can send
    in an elite squad of language purists, armed with Webster grenades, to
    stem the evil tide.
    
    Jon
    onwhoseearstheseinventionsgratehorrendously

"Figure 6.1 diagrams Time Division Multiplexing data streams in relation to
Statistical Multiplexed transmissions"

What's wrong with "shows"?

The diagram itself wasn't too clear either.

                                                        
                                                  - Rik -

mail to rik@uto.dec.com or HLDE01::STEENWINKEL

    Re .-1
    
>"Figure 6.1 diagrams Time Division Multiplexing data streams in relation to
>Statistical Multiplexed transmissions"
>What's wrong with "shows"?
>The diagram itself wasn't too clear either.
    
    Looks like you answered your own question!  The diagram, being unclear,
    did not show anything, but it did diagram some obscure relationship.

This isn't a verb, though I suppose it could be made into one just for the sake
of keeping this note in this topic. An article in Science News on the efforts to
redesign US currency to prevent counterfeiting used this word to refer to the
technology used to reproduce printed images. Is it for real?

Should reprographing be illegal? I'm sure the Secret Service would say yes where
greenbacks are concerned. What say we JoyOfLexers?

Wook

    It's a very ugly word -- I vote NO.

    
    Well Wook, 
    
    Unless you immediately have a good alternative, then common usage
    will train your ears to acceptability and eventually respectability.
    :-)
    
    Seems that the 'repro' portion could be replaced with 'photocopy' 
    or 'copy' or (gasp!) 'xero' for : 
     
    photocopygraphy or copygraphy or xerography  with short forms of 
    phocography, cography and rography.   :-)
    
    jc
    

    Yeesh, THOSE are all pretty heavy on coprophagy... :)
                                         

    Xerography is better -- "Dry writing"  
    
    Reprography has too many "r"s.

    Wook, who first did coin the word in English? "Reprographie" has been
    considered correct in French for at least 20+ years and must be in most
    French dictionnaries. I suppose some French speaking person used it
    absent-mindedly in English.
    			Denis.

I don't know when it was coined in English, though in the current context, 
perhaps minted or printed is the more appropriate term. 

Actually, now that I look, I do find it in my American Heritage Dictionary 
with the accent on the "-prog-". Oddly the pronunciation guide shows the 
first 'e' is pronounced as a short 'i'. I would would have thought it was a 
schwa like the 'a'. I guess it depends on who's talking.

Sigh. I just couldn't believe such an ugly word could actually be real. I 
guess we can't blame it on the French this time, no offense intended Denis.

Wook

    G'day,
    
     From a radio ad for a dial-in match-making service ...
    
    "we have many girls on-line. Just dial 0055..., listen to the voices,
    and when you hear one that you would liketo meet, message with her and
    see what happens...
    
    
    derek

    Well,
    
    I've heard a number of euphemisms in my time but "message with her" -
    really!
    
    Jon

    It would appear that "message" might possibly be misspelt...

In the March 15, 1996 issue of Inter@ctive Week, Andy Marx reviews
movies made from video games and writes of Larry Kasanoff, producer of
the movie Mortal Kombat, that "he feels that in order to successfully
take a film from the small screen to the big screen, filmmakers have to
go beyond simply repurposing old material for a new format".

Gaak,
-stephen

Next Monday will be the 100th Boston Marathon.
A sports reporter on TV was urging the public not to join the runners.
"Just come out and spectate."

    A message has just been sent around LJO2 with the following in the 
    Subject line:
    
    	STATUS ON LJO2 DENSIFICATION
    
    
    This to mean that the offices are being resized from 10 x 10 to 8 x 10,
    with resulting office areas that would be "densified."
    Another new verb is bornized and nounified in one fell swoop!
    
    Bruce
     
     

    Ys Brc, nd we wll b issud nw trmnls w tny vwl kys fr th dnsfd ffcs.  If
    yu wnt t us a vwl u hve 2 use a needl & pay 50 cnts.
    

"Do we have milk?"

"Yes, I panic bought this morning."

    Re .233
    
    Adnoun?  Was this an attempt at humor, or did you mean adverb? 
    ("Panic" modifies "bought" in your sentence.)
    
    Actually, according to the American Heritage Dictionary, panic is
    legitimately an adjective, as in the noun phrase "panic flight," which
    means a sudden departure prompted by abject terror.  Given the
    mutability of language, it's a rather small step to using the word as
    an adverb.  Or, more likely, what we have here is a compound verb, "to
    panic buy," similar in nature to verbs like "to grow up."

    From an advertisement seen in the subway today:
    
    "All work is provided by a licensed, board qualified and certificated
    orthodontist."

    Well, it was a typo.  They meant to write "permissioned."
    

    Re .236: Dick, I've always believed that the English word for that was
    "certified", rather that "certificated". Was I wrong, or are both words
    correct? And, if the latter, is there a difference of meaning between
    the two?
    		Denis.

    I've never heard this word 'certificated' before, but in this case it
    might be actually a good thing to help it gain wider currency.

    At work we've been talking about "Certified Microsoft Developers" and
    "Certified Microsoft Engineers". Now, in my (and a number of
    colleagues') brand of English, "certified" has the secondary
    connotation of "testified by an expert as being fit for confinement in
    a mental institution". This means that the above Microsoft expressions
    bring smiles to the faces of many people when the topic comes up. e.g.
    "it would take you a long time to get certified"; "we hope by the end
    of 19xx to have half the staff certified"; etc. "Certificated" could
    nicely fill the slot (after all, many neologisms sound 'ugly' in the
    beginning).

    -Sim.

To my mother, who's from England, "certified" means loony.  She's a
certificated teacher.

    Judging from your behavior, we thought otherwise.  :-)
    

    Re .238
    
    Denis, one can certify something or someone without issuing a physical
    certificate.  The issuance of a certificate is specifically indicated
    by the verb "certificate."  This is an example of the extremely subtle
    differences in meaning that can be conveyed more easily by a language
    with a rich vocabulary.
    
    -dick

After the debacle with reprography, I enter this with fear and trembling and a
good long look in my AHD. I heard on a recent ad for some copy center (Kinko's?)
that used "office" as a verb. It was something along the lines of "Come office
with us."

This somewhat like "to mall", but instead of meaning "to loiter in" denotes
treating some place which is not one's office as though it were.

There is great potential here, eh?

To attic - to forget about as though it were stored in the attic
To rotunda - to ignore as though it were working its way through a bureaucracy.

There would have to be new interpretations of many more prosaic verbs:

to room, to park, to roof, to closet, etc.

Well, sue me for braining about it.

Wook

    Re .-1
    
    Noted.

    Could be a new high in pith/bytes there, Norman... :-)
    

    Already invented: to table (American version).

    Re .246
    
    Also the Brit version.  In the U.S., to table something is to put
    discussion of it on hold.  In the U.K., to table something is to put it
    on the table for discussion.

Re .247

> ... to table something is to put discussion of it on hold.

Is "put (something) on hold" (meaning "postpone consideration") widely
recognized outside the USA?

___Pete

    G'day,
    
    known in Oz and UK... 
    
    and anywhere they have phones I'd have thought..
    
    derek
    

    Driving in to work today I heard an ad on the radio for Staples
    Office Supply which claimed, "Staples, the right place to office."
    Hmmhh.... I office on weekdays and I home on weekends I guess.
    Some of us home while we office. I for one, office more
    effectively now that they have densified me.
    
    Bruce 
    
     

if you have not recovered from being a resource, go no further.

at a "communication" meeting i heard a manager complain
"we are all under-resourced."

    From a popular notesfile:
    
>    We are currently in the process of
>    evaluating the feasibility of vendorizing some of our local stockrooms
>    in the U.S.

    Why didn't they go the whole hog and say "we are currently evaluating
    the vendorizability of some of our local stockrooms in the U.S."?
    
    I don't know, no imagination some people.
    
    Jon

    .254 is lame.  Look at .253 again.
    
    We are currently in the procedurance of evaluationizing the
    feasabilititude of vendorizabilitation of our L10Nificated
    DIGITAL product warehouses in the U.S.

    .255 is lame. 
    
    We are currently in the procedurance of evaluationizing the
    feasabilititude of vendorizabilitation of our L10Nificated
    DIGITAL product warehouses in the Unitedized States.
    

seen on a pulldown menu for some scanner software:

Destinate ...

and a click leads to a box with a title something like
"Select the destination" so destinate seems to be used
as a verb.

If I could just destinate the perpetrator.

    Re .257
    
>If I could just destinate the perpetrator.
    
    Surely you know by now that existing words and grammar are
    predestined to failure.  However, I also mind finding the
    instignicator and giving him/her the digitation.

   Oh man, I thought I'd seen them all, or at least that the 1980s was the
   "height" of marketing-speak.

   I read one today that bashed that hope.

   	"... as was exampled in the above paragraph ..."

   The lexical gods are surely in an uproar over that one...

   -- Sam

Is that an unexampled atrocity?

    Re .259
    
    The use of "example" as a verb dates at least to the 15th century.  Is
    a 500-year history not sufficiently hoary and cobweb-covered to be
    acceptable?

   Really?  It's the first time I'd seen it, and it sounds absolutely awful.

   Though it may have a long history, I've never seen it in modern usage
   until now.  Do people still use it, or does it fall into the category of
   other words/phrases with a "long history" which haven't been used in a
   "long time"?

   In any case, consider it acceptabled.

   -- Sam

    Re .262
    
    I hear it used occasionally.  Typically, users fall into two classes,
    those with little or no education and those with a great deal of it.

    to attic; (from hoever many notes ago...)
    
    To render in an Ancient Greek manner.

From a recent Insight magazine article about surveillance equipment
being used in more places:

"... assume you have been surveilled."

I was so surprised I doubted I'd surveilled it.

    From a troubleshooting guide ...
    
    "Check that the equipment is powerized"

From the sign outside Kinko's in Nashua:

        "Officing at Kinkos:
         co$t effective communication$"
         
Art

I just saw this in an article that praised our fast, inexpensive systems.


The process seems to be working so far. Clients who approach
Alterian about more traditional effects work are also bringing
their digital compositing jobs to the company. That's what
happened with the upcoming Mortal Kombat 2. The producers came
to Alterian with miniatures work. After seeing the new digital
capabilities, they will now use Alterian to composite the
                                            ^^^^^^^^^
miniatures with backgrounds.

from:
Note 13.413                    Digital in the News                   413 of 413
     Entry name:  DIGITAL_INVESTING
     File:        HUMANE::DISK$SCSI:[NOTES$LIBRARY]DIGITAL_INVESTING.NOTE;1


the article also provides lots of help for the DEC side of the DEC vs
DIGITAL or Digital debate.

Afterwards they can talk about the compositization of the miniatures ;-}

Leslie

    This usage seems to be stansdard jargon in the graphics business. I
    encountered it about the same time I encountered PhotoShop.
    
    \dave