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Title:The Joy of Lex
Notice:A Notes File even your grammar could love
Moderator:THEBAY::SYSTEM
Created:Fri Feb 28 1986
Last Modified:Mon Jun 02 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1192
Total number of notes:42769

1095.0. "Blue" by WELSWS::HILLN () Tue Apr 19 1994 04:25

    Blue started to mean obscene in the mid-19th century.
    
    It's now used to described films etc.
    
    But why did it start to mean obscene?
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1095.1And was there any connection with blue stockings?PASTIS::MONAHANhumanity is a trojan horseTue Apr 19 1994 04:471
    
1095.2WELSWS::HILLNTue Apr 19 1994 06:103
    I believe that blue stockings started off as those who had been to
    Oxford or Cambridge and got a blue - only later did it take on its
    'conservative' meaning.
1095.3Is this Word Association Football?BBRDGE::LOVELLTue Apr 19 1994 09:237
Cambridge -> blue stocking -> Conservative 
-> blue-faced, stockinged Conservative => OBSCENE

QED

Apologies to those who don't follow recent UK news 
scandals  :-)
1095.4Not an explanation, but...NRSTA2::KALIKOWDEC + Internet: Webalong togetherTue Apr 19 1994 10:064
    ... no discussion of the legal aspects of "blue" would be complete
    without mention of the New England Colony's "Blue Laws," some of which
    (I believe) survive to this day...
    
1095.5?? from outside the GMAWELSWS::HILLNTue Apr 19 1994 10:362
    What's the key aspect to the New England Colony's Blue Laws that makes
    it necessary to mention them. 
1095.6See .16 for the correct answer.SMURF::BINDERUt res per me meliores fiantTue Apr 19 1994 10:573
    Blue laws were commonly written in blue ink and proscribed activities
    considered improper (possibly obscene, hence the term?) by the Puritan
    masters of the colony.
1095.7Rainbow laws?PASTIS::MONAHANhumanity is a trojan horseTue Apr 19 1994 11:191
    	What laws did they write in red ink? Inquiring minds ...
1095.8I hope you're all taking notesFORTY2::KNOWLESIntegrated Service: 2B+OWed Apr 27 1994 10:0317
1095.9OKFINE::KENAHEvery old sock meets an old shoe...Wed Apr 27 1994 22:421
    What's "getting a blue?"  Or a half-blue, for that matter?
1095.10A Blue is...WELSWS::HILLNIt's OK, it'll be dark by nightfallThu Apr 28 1994 07:295
    Getting selected to play for the College or University team.
    
    As already described, there are some sports which are treated as
    half-blues.  This originates from the days when they were minority
    sports.
1095.11OKFINE::KENAHEvery old sock meets an old shoe...Thu Apr 28 1994 09:5110
    Do you actually get a blue something?  In the US, athletes get
    "letters" (large cloth letters, often attached to sweaters) as a
    visible recognition of their participation in a sport.  There are
    no "half letters," but the sport is usually indicated by some sort
    of icon on the letter.                   
    
    I don't know how important the actual letters or letter sweaters
    are on US college campuses these days, but I remember seeing them
    lo! these many years ago when I was in college (though they were
    rare even then, at least in public view).
1095.12GIDDAY::BURTScythe my dandelions down, sportThu Apr 28 1994 20:3415
May I play too?

I think I had a thought this morning (but I could be wrong).
"Blue" movies, "blue" laws etc - wouldn't it be related to the association 
with illegality? 
Most British Police wear blue uniforms. 
A "Bluebottle" is a police-officer. 
"Copping a bluie" is getting a ticket for some kind of traffic violation. 
"Blue light" discos are discos supervised by the police.

"Blue stockings" - remember Mary Poppins? Many British governesses/nannies wore 
dark colours. They were assumed to be educated. I'm not certain how the colour 
of their legs came to be public knowledge. :^)

Chele
1095.13faux french intellectualRAGMOP::T_PARMENTERNip the ClipperChip in the budFri Apr 29 1994 09:358
    According to W9NCD the Bluestocking society was an 18th century
    literary club.
    
    My former teacher, William Gass, whom I detested, wrote a short book
    called "Blue", or something like that, meditating on the varied
    meanings of the word.  In all his meditation, he never once mentioned
    blues music, which is a sample of why I detested him.
    
1095.14SMURF::BINDERUt res per me meliores fiantFri Apr 29 1994 11:198
    Re .12
    
    The relationship with police, I think, is spurious.  Before Sir Robert
    Peel set up the London Metropolitan Police ("bobbies" or "peelers"),
    most police didn't wear standardized blue-colored military-style
    uniforms.  Blue laws, and their name, are much older than that;
    according to W9NCD, the term is known from American writings as early
    as 1781.
1095.15Three ways of breaking the loreFORTY2::KNOWLESIntegrated Service: 2B+OFri May 06 1994 09:4924
    A bit more about Cambridge blues. I wondered whether to give it a cap.
    B, but that might have suggested some physical thing (which I don't
    believe a Blue gets - the cap. B there was because I _was_ talking
    about a physical thing this time, viz, a person). I believe winning
    a blue gives the winner certain University privileges - like wearing
    a particular tie. These privileges aren't policed, except maybe by
    the University Beadles (sort of honorific escort for certain University
    officers), and by a less tangible social pressure - People Who Know
    would probably cross the street to avoid someone who was wearing
    an unmerited tie. (Ain't y'all glad you live in a classless society?)
    
    On reflection I've realized that my earlier definition of a blue was
    not specific enough. It is quite possible to play for the university
    team and not get a blue. You have to play for the university team and
    take part in the annual Oxford vs Cambridge contest (usually called
    `the Varsity Match', but sometimes not - e.g. `the Boat Race'). And it
    has to be the first team (boat): the Cambridge 2nd boat (always, for
    some reason, called `Goldie') rows against the Oxford 2nd boat (always,
    for some reason, called `Isis') on the same day as the Boat Race. I
    don't believe the oarsmen or the cox get blues.
    
    (The oarsmen [sic] don't wear blue stockings; the cox sometimes does.)
    
    b
1095.16SMURF::BINDERUt res per opera mea meliores fiantFri May 06 1994 10:366
    Blue laws.  The definitive (?) answer fell into my lap yesterday, in a
    Boston Globe newspaper article.  The state of Massachusetts is being
    sued for repeal of its blue laws, so named, according to the article,
    "for the blue paper they were written on."
    
    -dick
1095.17HERON::CODGER::HEMMINGSLanterne RougeFri May 06 1994 12:207
re .15

I represented Cambridge in the annual Oxford vs Cambridge cycle race, and 
therefore have the right to wear the tie.  As a minority sport, Cycling only 
qualified for a half-blue, and in fact the tie is "egg-shell" and white 
rather than blue.  Such ties are treated with appropriate deference, and as 
such are most likely to be seen holding up the owner's gardening trousers.
1095.18COMET::SEARCYsit back and groove on a rainy dayTue Jun 14 1994 17:224
    what about the blue light(lite) specials?
    how do they fit in?
    
    genie
1095.19Dick, b, anyone....BIRMVX::HILLNIt's OK, it'll be dark by nightfallThu Jun 01 1995 04:462
    What's the reason for describing certain company's shares as 'blue
    chip'?
1095.20PENUTS::DDESMAISONSperson BFri Jun 02 1995 16:526
>>    What's the reason for describing certain company's shares as 'blue
>>    chip'?

	It's my understanding that it's because the poker chip with
	the highest value is blue.

1095.21FORTY2::KNOWLESPer ardua ad nauseamMon Jun 05 1995 06:488
    I remember looking this up a while back, and finding some
    unenlightening stuff about `most reliable shares'. I looked again this
    w/e - still no joy. It's on the back-burner as something to be
    discovered, but I have nothing usefult to say, Nick.
    
    b
    
    (ps: I don't buy Di's suggestion, but I can't say it's wrong.)
1095.22Found it...BIRMVX::HILLNIt's OK, it'll be dark by nightfallMon Jun 05 1995 10:177
    I posed my question when many miles from my NSOED - and I look upon the
    denizens of this Notesfile as a very good alternative information
    source.
    
    Now I have the NSOED to hand the answer is as Di suggests, its a high
    value poker chip and the meaning has transferred to 'shares which are a
    good, though not risk-free, investment'.
1095.23JRDV04::DIAMONDsegmentation fault (california dumped)Mon Jun 05 1995 22:103
    Maybe Alpha should be packaged in a blue case?  :-)
    
    (But the shares would still be risky.)