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| 854.1 | | PACKER::JULIUS | | Mon Dec 18 1989 10:50 | 3 |
| A location, other than Israel, in which a Jew lives.
Bernice
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| 854.2 | More... | TALLIS::GOYKHMAN | Nostalgia ain't what it used to be | Mon Dec 18 1989 12:51 | 5 |
| I suspect the question was for the explanation of Diaspora, it's
roots and causes, history and whatnot. That's what the Soapbox entry
was asking for, anyway.
DG
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| 854.3 | | PACKER::JULIUS | | Mon Dec 18 1989 16:40 | 4 |
| It comes from a Greek word which means to scatter or disperse.
It originated after the destruction of the second temple.
Bernice
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| 854.4 | that much I knew | SNOC02::SIMPSON | Those whom the Gods would destroy... | Tue Dec 19 1989 05:26 | 1 |
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| 854.5 | you're welcome | PACKER::JULIUS | | Tue Dec 19 1989 10:33 | 1 |
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| 854.6 | Disapora defined | WAV12::STEINHART | | Tue Dec 19 1989 16:25 | 20 |
| Come on guys, give Simpson a break!
Disapora refers to the worldwide dispersion of the Jews after the
Roman destruction of the Second Temple and the Jewish State. (There
were pre-existing Jewish communities in other countries at this
time.) The Disapora occurred on a much larger scale than previous
emigration. A significant number settled in Spain and prospered
in the "golden age" under Moorish domination until they were exiled
in 1492 by Ferdinand and Isabella when the Moorish kingdoms were
ended in Spain. Many then migrated throughout the Mediterranean
and throughout Europe.
Diaspora is often referred to as a "condition". It implies the
loss of the Temple and associated rituals and the changeover to
Rabbinic-style Judaism as we know it today. Prophecies of the
messianic age include the rebuilding of the Temple and ingathering
of the dispersed to the land of Israel.
Diaspora is also used as an analogy by mystics for the dispersion
of the divine light into the world.
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| 854.7 | | GAON::jem | Eat, drink, and be... fat and drunk | Tue Dec 19 1989 16:46 | 7 |
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Re: .0
If what you're interested in are the reasons for the Diaspora, and the horrors
that go along with the dispersion, see Leviticus 26: 14-46.
Jem
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| 854.8 | did I say the wrong thing? | SNOC02::SIMPSON | Those whom the Gods would destroy... | Wed Dec 20 1989 00:39 | 7 |
| re .6 & .7, thanks. Just as a matter of interest, did I
unintentionally touch a raw nerve? My question was an honest inquiry
and not intended to offend.
Regards,
David
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| 854.9 | Armenia has one also | SETH::CHERSON | maintain an even strain | Wed Dec 20 1989 15:05 | 3 |
| Don't forget that there is a diaspora for the Armenian nation as well.
--David
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| 854.10 | | VAXWRK::ZAITCHIK | VAXworkers of the World Unite! | Wed Dec 20 1989 18:43 | 6 |
| > Don't forget that there is a diaspora for the Armenian nation as well.
FWIW, the prophets often refer to the "diasporas" of other nations and
even (Isaiah but I don't have a tanach handy for the chpt's and verses...)
talk about the eventual "ingathering" of these diasporas.
-Zaitch
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| 854.11 | Raw nerves | DECSIM::GROSS | The bug stops here | Thu Dec 21 1989 14:31 | 17 |
| There are sensitive issues touched on by this topic. Jewish residents of Israel
want more Jews to come and live there and express annoyance when Jews in the
Diaspora intrude on their internal affairs from afar. Jews in the Diaspora
look on Israel as a place of refuge should virulent anti-semitism ever break
out where they are living and feel that Israel is partly theirs ("I sent my
contribution to CJP, didn't I?").
There is also a religious issue although I don't think any of the contributers
to Bagels hold this view. Some Jews feel that only the Messiah is permitted to
establish a Jewish state in Israel - since the Messiah is not here yet, there
shouldn't be an Israel now.
I have tried to express the issues in as neutral a manner as I can and without
getting into too much detail. If I mis-stated something, please accept my
apology in advance.
Dave
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| 854.12 | Another view... | VAXWRK::ZAITCHIK | VAXworkers of the World Unite! | Sat Dec 30 1989 22:05 | 16 |
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>There is also a religious issue although I don't think any of the contributers
>to Bagels hold this view. Some Jews feel that only the Messiah is permitted to
>establish a Jewish state in Israel - since the Messiah is not here yet, there
>shouldn't be an Israel now.
Here is a view to which I am partial:
Only the Messiah (whatever that means exactly) is entitled to establish the
kind of Torah state which Jewish tradition looks forward to, but in the
meantime there is every reason why we ought to establish a state which
can protect us and which is as ethical a state as one can hope for given
our non-Messianic circumstances and character.
This is neither religious Zionism nor secular Zionism, but I find it congenial.
-Zaitch
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