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| 230.1 | It was I. The grand high exhaulted Bagel eater. | ZEPPO::MAHLER | An X-SITE-ing position ! | Thu Nov 13 1986 14:52 | 4 |
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You're welcome.
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| 230.2 | hey man, lighten up! | 4158::GOLDSTEIN | We're all bozos on this bus | Thu Nov 13 1986 19:57 | 15 |
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If I were starting the file from scratch today, I might not name
it "BAGELS". But in America at least, the word carries reasonable
connotations. It is quintessentially Jewish. It reflects cultural
heritage and identity. It skirts the "religious" issues nicely,
which is good considering that this is _not_ a pure analog to the
::CHRISTIAN conference (which is hard core religiousity). I should
also point out that the usenet Jewish newsgroup has been renamed
(as part of the Big Renaming of Everything) from net.religion.jewish
to soc.culture.jewish.
Making it a Hebrew word would make its purpose less obvious to the
Digital community at large. We could just call it "JEWISH", but
that wouldn't be keeping in line with our erstwhile moderator's
style. :-)
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| 230.3 | | ZEPPO::MAHLER | An X-SITE-ing position ! | Thu Nov 13 1986 20:15 | 8 |
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I'm touched.
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| 230.4 | Bagels is a good and appropriate name | YOUNG::YOUNG | | Fri Nov 14 1986 13:42 | 13 |
| Besides, bagels are one of the few things which have recently been
exported from Jewish culture to the Yuppie/WASP/American culture.
(How it was modified is beyond the scope of this note).
I think the Bagels name conveys the spirit of the notesfile much
better than Jewish, or any hebrew word would, and it suggests an
American Jewish sense of humor, which I feel is highly appropriate
to this notesfile.
Mike, you chose well.
Paul
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| 230.5 | I don't understand | PARVAX::MAGNES | | Fri Nov 14 1986 22:08 | 15 |
| In responce 230.4 by Paul
>Besides, bagels are one of the few things whuch have recently
>been exported from jewish culture to the yuppie/wasp/american culture
i really don't understand the significance of that
>i think that bagels name conveys the spirit of the notesfile
>much better than jewish,or any hebrew word ,and it suggests an
>american jewish sense of humor
i can see that i'm not going to change any one's mind, but just
to generate a little more discussion could u Paul elaborate
a little more on what u think "jewish sense of humor is all
about.
steve
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| 230.6 | Because bagels are holey? | YOUNG::YOUNG | | Wed Nov 19 1986 20:12 | 31 |
| The choice of name for a notesfile should be indicative of what
is in the notesfile. I guess you could pick a name such as
JEWISH_RELIGION_AND_CULTURE, but it is long and boring. Using a
Hebrew word as the name would be a poor choice, as many Jews and
most non-Jews do not speak Hebrew and therefore would not understand
the name.
What is a Jewish sense of humor is a fine topic for a base note.
I did not say a Jewish sense of humor, I said an American-Jewish
sense of humor, but that is still broad enough.
A lot of what I perceive as the American-Jewish sense of humor comes
from Eastern European Jewish traditions, and from the Yiddish theater
and culture. Most people, and Jews are certainly no exception, have
the ability to laugh at themselves and their traditions. Bagels (and
lox) are a fine American-Jewish tradition, and hence one which can
be laughed at.
Abraham's son was named for laughter, as have the many who have
been named after him. And the Talmud records at least one time
where the Holy One laughed, such that the Rabbis on earth heard
it.
Jews have been laughing for a long time - Much longer than they
have had notes files, perhaps for longer than they have discussed
religion and culture.
I still think BAGELS is a good name.
Paul
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