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Conference taveng::bagels

Title:BAGELS and other things of Jewish interest
Notice:1.0 policy, 280.0 directory, 32.0 registration
Moderator:SMURF::FENSTER
Created:Mon Feb 03 1986
Last Modified:Thu Jun 05 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
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592.0. "Chanukah, Oh Chanukah" by TELLME::SLARSKEY () Tue Nov 29 1988 13:41

With Chanukah just around the corner...how about some festive ideas
for celebrating...family traditions, foods, etc.
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592.1Some historical backgroundRABBIT::SEIDMANAaron SeidmanFri Dec 09 1988 16:1461
    Before we finish completely with Hannukah, I thought I'd throw in a
    historical note.  Most of what we know of the Hasmonean uprising and
    the Second Commonwealth comes from two books, I Maccabees and II
    Maccabees.  The naming and numbering is misleading, since a) only Judas
    was known as Maccabee, and b) they are not successive books (as, e.g. I
    Kings and II Kings), but completely separate versions of the story. 
     
    I Macc. seems to have been written in Hebrew and translated into Greek,
    where it became attached to the Septuagint, and has come down to us in
    this form.  It emphasizes the central role of Mattathias and his
    descendants (who are not referred to as Hasmoneans; only Mattathias is
    so designated) in restoring both the Temple and political independence.
    In a number of places it describes the actions of the dynasty in terms
    that parallel descriptions of David in the Books of Samuel, or implies
    a similarities to, for instance, Phineas, son of Aaron.  In short, it
    was written by a supporter of the Hasmonean line. 
     
    II Macc. appears to have been written originally in Greek and purports
    to be an abridged version of a longer work by a Jason of Cyrene (in
    what is now Libya).  If one only read II Macc., one would not know that
    Judas had any brothers.  Some scholars think it was written after I
    Macc., and specifically as counter-propaganda.  II Macc. puts
    considerable emphasis on the supernatural, and plays down the role of
    human action, whereas I Macc. is much more naturalistic.
    
    (It is important to emphasize that both contain material that can
    be authenticated in various ways, but neither is objective.  Each
    was clearly written to further a particular purpose.)
     
    (As most people probably know by now, the "miracle of the oil" was not
    reported in either of these books.  I have found no evidence that the
    story was told until 400-500 years after the events took place.) 

    Josephus, at one time a Jewish commander in the 66 revolt, wrote (in
    Greek) several histories of the Jewish people.  In _The Jewish Wars_ he
    portrays much (not all) of the conflict as being between groups of Jews
    rather than between Jews and Syrians.  Josephus seems to have had both
    I Macc. and II Macc. and some other documents (now lost) about the
    period. 
    
    I could find only one mention of Hannukah in the Mishna (Baba Kama),
    and that only a passing reference.  There is some Gemara, but this
    was written centuries after the events, and probably represents
    speculation about what might have/ought to have taken place, rather
    than history as we think of it.  A version of the story, apparently
    based on the Gemara and various legends, was put together in the
    early medieval period as Megillah Antiochus and this was read in
    some synagogues.  You can find an English translation in Birnbaum's
    siddur.
    
    One interesting thing is that the desecration of the Temple is reported
    to have occurred on 25 Kislev and rededication took place three years
    later, on the exact same date--sort of.  Because the calendar in those
    days was set "manually" rather than by computation, "leap" months could
    only be intercalated by proclamation.  Unfortunately, the disruptions
    caused by the persecution and revolt seem to have prevented this, and
    as a result (say some historians) 25 Kislev came in the fall, close to
    what would normally have been Sukkot. This has led to speculation that
    the association of lights with Hannukah only came several centuries
    later, when the Jews copied some of the winter solstice ceremonies
    introduced by the Greeks and Romans.