Conference taveng::bagels

    The latebreaking news about Mr. Nir this morning is that he is no
    longer.  His plane went down in a remote part of Mexico. 

    
    Hmmm. At least we're not being overwhelmed by excessive
    torrents of biographical information about the
    late Mr. Amiram Nir.

    Rumor has it that Nir was (at one time at least) an
    official of the Israeli government. Was he, as of
    yesterday? What was his specific title or office?
    
    Or, did he have more than one?
    

    Has anyone read the article about Mr. Amiram Nir (and
    his death) in the Washington Post (of Sunday, Dec 4th)
    written by Bob Woodward? Apparently Woodward earlier
    interviewed Mr. Nir for an article for deferred release, and
    decided to "release it" for publication 1 1/2 weeks ago.
    I haven't seen it but would like to hear about it.
              
    Has the Israeli press anything to say about Mr. Amiram Nir
    or his plane crash in a remote part of Mexico? Was Mr. Nir
    vacationing in Mexico? 
    		thank you
    

    There was something in this week's Jerusalem Post International
    Edition.  I'll check at home to see if I still have it---and if
    I do, I'll put it in this file.
    
    Av

HERE IT IS:
    
    
AMIRAM NIR, Irangate figure, dies.

Jerusalem Post (International Edition)


Amiram Nir, a former adviser on counter-terrorism to Prime Ministers Shimon
Peres and Yitzhak Shamir,. died last week in a light plane crash in Mexico. 
The circumstances of the accident were not known. 

Foreign Ministry sources in Jerusalem confirmed that an Israeli identity card
bearing Nir's identity number was found at the scene of the crash, some 400
kilometers from Mexico City.  He was in Mexico on private business. 

Nir, 38, became well-known during the Irangate arms scandal in which he played
a major role as the initial go-between between the U.S. administration and
Iranian figures. He left his post as adviser to Shamir in April.  His remaining
in the post after the rotation of the premiership was said to be a means of
shielding him from American investigators of the Contra affair. 

He was lauded by U.S. security adviser Oliver North as playing a key role in
the capture of the Achille Lauro kidnapers in 1985.  North also praised Nir's
courage in going to Teheran. 

Prior to his being taken on by Peres as an adviser, he was military
correspondent for Israeli Television and served as a researcher on military and
strategic affairs at the Jaffee Institute in Tel Aviv. 

Recently, Nir spent much of his time in London, where he was involved in
private business. 

Nir is survived by his wife Judy, daughter of "Yediot Aharonot" proprietor
Noah Moses, and two young sons.

    

    
    Re: Nir's private business, on which he reportedly spent
    much time in London, and which might have been the purpose
    of his trip to Mexico.....
    
    Is it accurate to say that Mr. Nir was involved in avocado
    commerce, or cultivation? This has been suggested
    elsewhere, and possibly the remote area of Mexico
    where the crash occurred is suitable for avocado-raising.
                                        
    Any comments on Mr. Nir as an entrepreneur or magnate in
    the avocado trade, as a follow up to his weapons and/or
    counter-terrorism career?
    					thank you

    Somewhere it said that the remote city that Nir was visiting is
    a center of the Mexican government's military anti-drug operations.
    So it is likely that he was arranging an arms deal with the Mexican
    government.
    
    Of course, some forms of grenade look a bit like avocados.

    Yes, good point about the grenades. Don't we all sometimes
    have difficulty keeping asparagus, artichokes and avocados
    separate? But all h*ll breaks loose when there's a
    stray pineapple in your market basket.
    
    By the way, what were the late Mr. Nir's accomplishments
    in the media (presumably film/TV) department?
    
    				thanks

    The book "By Way of Deception" (see topic 977) suggests
    that Mr. Nir may not have perished after all, in the
    plane crash mentioned above.
    
    The book notes that there were unusual circumstances
    surrounding the identification of the body claimed
    to be Amiram Nir's. It also suggests the possibility
    of a new identity being created for Mr. Nir, as
    well as perhaps a new appearance, by way of plastic
    or cosmetic surgery.
    
    The book suggests these, but does not make outright
    assertions. Some sources suggest that Mr. Nir's expected
    testimony before US Congress regarding the Iran/Contra
    affair would have been highly embarassing (damaging
    in fact) both to US-Israeli relations and to
    (then) Vice President George H.W. Bush.

Hmm...

Hasn't he been spotted drinking coffee with Elvis in Kalamazoo MI ???? :-)

I'm fascinated with your fascination of conspiray theories (especially
concerning Israel)

							Agent M

>Hasn't he been spotted drinking coffee with Elvis in Kalamazoo MI ???? :-)

Actually there is some evidence that a man matching his description was
seen on the grassy knoll in Dallas minutes before the shooting of JFK.

    Hey Sid,

    This is serious.  You can't go around making unfounded accusations based
    on hearsay or dubious evidence.  !!!! :-) :-)  

    (Sid - if you keep this up we'll be reading BAGELS Notes Conference in
    the supermarket check out lines. Along with other serious publications)


    							... Monty

    re 597.10 thru .12 :    What a highly unlikely trio!
    
    Amiram, Elvis and G. Gordon haven't been seen together publicly
    since back when they teamed up (in bit parts) to peddle
    "yachovv's elixir" with Danny Kaye (and Eli Cohen ?) in that
    rowdy film "THE INSPECTOR GENERAL".
    

    The grapevine has it that some "long-secret Nir tapes"
    are being broadcast by ABC-TV News on Nightline.
    
    Has anyone heard where/how Nightline obtained the tapes?
    
    Indeed, it's all very mysterious. Almost as mysterious
    as the elusive Mr. Nir's avocado business, or his
    unfortunate fatal airplane crash in Mexico.
    
    Maybe Nightline will interview Mr. Craig Fuller
    who, according to last report, is still alive.
    

    Nope. Sorry.
    I've not heard where Nightline obtained the tapes.
    
    Oh!  I guess there's an echo in here?
    

    	Nope, no echo. Just a twit prone to baiting.
    

    Nir watching.....now more than ever!
    
    During the next few weeks, Nir watching could
    even become fashionable.