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Conference taveng::bagels

Title:BAGELS and other things of Jewish interest
Notice:1.0 policy, 280.0 directory, 32.0 registration
Moderator:SMURF::FENSTER
Created:Mon Feb 03 1986
Last Modified:Thu Jun 05 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1524
Total number of notes:18709

205.0. "How long will it last?" by NONODE::CHERSON (The Book is open...) Mon Oct 06 1986 15:09

    Gamar Chatimah Tovah to everyone!
    
    Well with the new year upon us, that means that soon the reigns
    of leadership in the government will shift to Shamir.  He has been
    busy trying to alter his image to that of a "peacemaker", declaring
    that he will start more peace initiatives than Peres, etc.  Of course
    I believe that this is all a show for the U.S., because the Reagan
    administration clearly prefers Shimon Peres, and has said so in
    veiled diplomatic language.
    
    I'd like to ask everyone out there how long they expect the coalition
    govt. to last, six months, 1 year?  I personally believe that it
    won't last six months until they will have to call new elections.
    At least 98% of Peres's moves, both domestically and internationally,
    were made with a "post-Shamir" intent, Shimon Peres is a pretty
    sly devil when given the chance.
    
    So come on, let's follow this note up with your predictions.
    
    David 
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205.1a few months?DELNI::GOLDSTEINor someone like himMon Oct 06 1986 15:519
    I saw the results of an Israeli public opinion poll in this week's
    Jewish Advocate.  Labor has over 45% support, Likud way below. 
    Throw in a few traditional Labor friends and they have over 50%.
    
    Thus, my guess is summed up with a question (don't we always answer
    a question with a question? :-) ):
    
    What's the least time it can take Labor to force an election?
           fred
205.2About this longNONODE::CHERSONThe Book is open...Mon Oct 06 1986 19:197
    re: .1
    
    How long will it take for Labour to call an election(actually the
    President arranges that)?  About as long as it takes for Yitzhak
    Modai or "the fat slob" to put their feet in their mouthes.
    
    David
205.3The American way is the only waySWATT::POLIKOFFI realy should be working.Tue Oct 07 1986 16:093
    	I think the Parliamentary government idea is stupid. Although
    the American form of government is not the best, there is none better
    in the world.
205.4Not the first timeGRAMPS::LISSFred - ESD&P Shrewsbury MATue Oct 07 1986 16:1612
    Re .1
    
    >Thus, my guess is summed up with a question (don't we always answer
    >a question with a question? :-) ):
    
    
    This has been going on since the beginning of time! It's even
    documented in the Torah. When G-d asked Cane where his brother
    was. Cane replied "Am I my brothers keeper?" 
    
    			Fred   8-}
    
205.5Not quite number oneNONODE::CHERSONA Symbol of RealityWed Oct 08 1986 14:0621
   
    >I think the parliamentary government idea is stupid.  Although
    >the American form of government is not the best, there is none
    >better in the world.
    
    There is nothing wrong with the parliamentary form of government.
    The governmental problems that arise from time to time in Israel
    are attributable to disproportianate representation.  The minor
    political parties find themselves in a position of power all too
    often.  To correct this situation, there is a bill in the Knesset
    to enact proportional representation.  Of course this bill will
    face stiff opposition from those who stand to lose by it.
    
    As to the American system being the best in the world, well I would
    say that it is good, period.  Let's not let the current wave of
    chauvinism get to us.  Despite some flaws, Israeli democracy is
    as "good" as any I've experienced, and maybe even better than America's
    in the sense that ALL political streams are represented, from the
    Communist party to the right-wing.
    
    David   
205.6Something to considerDARTH::SCHORRWed Oct 08 1986 18:1514
    The U.S. aside I believe there are several flaws in any parlimentary
    system.  
    
    The main problem is that any Prime minister is always looking over
    his shoulder.  He (She) can't ever take any meaningful actions without
    having to worry about a vote of no-confidence.  A Fixed term would
    be preferable.
    
    The other problem is that it leads to tryanny of the minority. 
    Especially where there is not a clear majority or two strong parties
    to balance each other.  Italy is the extreme but I believe that
    Israel could use some modification to the parlimentary system.
    
    
205.7><TAV02::NITSANNitsan Duvdevani, Digital IsraelThu Oct 09 1986 14:066
I think even the ancient Greeks had the problem of how to handle a real
Democracy without risk its existance in a Democratic way.

Personnal bet on Shamir Govt: about 12 months.

Nitsan
205.8We want Moshiach NOW!!!NY1MM::BCOHENMon Nov 10 1986 17:399
    
    Actually there are lot's of problems with both forms of govt.
    Just think that If every Arab citizen of Israel would vote there
    would be neither Likud or Labor?
    Personally I would like to see the restoration of the House of David
    in our time. Amen.
    
    Bruce