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Title:BAGELS and other things of Jewish interest
Notice:1.0 policy, 280.0 directory, 32.0 registration
Moderator:SMURF::FENSTER
Created:Mon Feb 03 1986
Last Modified:Thu Jun 05 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
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626.0. "Is Yiddish alive and well?" by SUTRA::LEHKY (I'm phlegmatic, and that's cool) Fri Jan 20 1989 12:48

    Yesterday, late in the evening, the French TV brought a report on
    Jewish artists and the lost useage of Yiddish as a living language.
    
    Title: "Yiddish Blues".
    
    My question: Is yiddish still alive? Where? Are you or some of your
    family members still actively speaking it?
    
    In Vienna, Yiddish is still spoken, mainly by the Orthodox Jews. I
    can also remember a couple of young Jewish singers who had all of
    their (very successful, let me say) program performed in Yiddish.
    
    It was pretty well understandable, maybe because the Viennese dialect,
    by the way, is probably the only non-Yiddish living language spoken who
    has the most words with Yiddish roots.
    
    Curiously yours,
    
    Chris
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626.1STEREO::LEVINEFri Jan 20 1989 13:2313
    Yiddish is ALIVE, but not necessarily too well.  Generally it is
    spoken by older people in Nursing homes. Frequently these homes
    look for someone who can speak Yiddish to come into the home to
    speak to these elders, some of whom remember ONLY Yiddish of their
    childhood.  Some of us  (yes includes myself) still speak Yiddish--for
    better or worse. (my own Yiddish is of the 'for worse' quality,
    while two of cousins, in other parts of the East Coast speak fluently.)
    I believe Boston Hebrew College is still giving a course in Yiddish.
    The poetry and music written in Yiddish is quite beautiful--some
    is exquisite while some is very melodramatic and depressing.
    
    Does this answer your questions?
    /Betty
626.2Still going strongBOLT::MINOWWhy doesn't someone make a simple Risk chip?Fri Jan 20 1989 17:11138
Not only is Yiddish alive, but there's also a Usenet mailing list.
If you're interested, send mail to
	decwrl::"dave@lsuc.uucp"

A recent issue is appended.  Also, Harvard Hillel offers Yiddish courses
at several levels (with native speakers).  I took one last year, and it
was well taught.

Martin.

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	 9-DEC-1988 06:44
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	attunix!htr@att.uucp,attunix!saal@att.uucp,
	homxc!marv@att.uucp,ihlpa!humbert@att.uucp,
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	chb@valideast,dave@ai.toronto.edu,feinberg@c
Subj:	mail.yiddish, issue #4

Yiddish Mailing List, Issue #4		Dec 8, 1988		109 lines
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		Yiddish professor Rith Wisse (Jeff Zucker)
		Wanted - children's stories in Yiddish (Raphael Finkel)
		Yiddish class language story (Andy Tannenbaum)
		Yiddish Mailing List earns a mitzvah,
			and Daily Yiddish Newspapers (Daniel Radzinski)
	
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Digest-Message: 04/1
From: zucker@cs.buffalo.edu (Jeffery Zucker)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 88 01:32:03 EST
Subject: Re: Ashkenazic Jewish Culture
 
Dave, are you familiar with the work of Ruth Wisse?
She is a professor of Yiddish at McGill (I think).
I read her articles (not usually on, or in, Yiddish) regularly
in Commentary magazine, and think very highly of her.
 
			Jeff Zucker
 
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Digest-Message: 04/2
Date: Fri Nov 18 13:26:59 1988
From: Raphael Finkel <uunet!ms.uky.edu!raphael>
Subject: wanted - Yiddish children's stories
 
Dovid,
 
A sheynem dank far dem letstn numer.  A bkoshe hob ikh, efshr vet kenen
helfn emitzer fun yidishn post-rshime.  Penina (zol lebn) is shoyn alt
tsveythalb yor, un hot lib hern mayses.  Amol hot geklekt ir dertseyln
a mayse shehoyo, dos heyst, iberkhazern di pasirungn fun dem dozikn tog.
Itst hot zi besser lib bobe mayses, befrat mit khayos-heldn.  Hob ikh
oysgetrakht etlikhe proste mayses, vegn lmoshl a hungerikn hoz vos gefint
ale tog nokh mer meyrn af der trotuar, oder vegn a katz vos filt zikh elnt
vi a shteyn biz zi treft a mayzele vos is maskim zikh shpiln mit ir.
 
Di bkoshe is derfar az men zol mir shikn (oder vayzn vu tsu bakumen)
bobe-mayses af yidish vos ikh ken dertseyln.  Dos beste volt geven in
bikherlekh mit bilder.
 
Tsi veln di abonirn veln ikh zol leyenen di mayses vos ikh tref af a tashme,
un shikn durkh post di vos viln?  Oyb ikh ken nor gefinen mayses genug, bin
ikh bkavone azoy ton.  Dos zelbike halt mit kinder-lider.  Ikh hob nor eyn
plit (Mark Olf, Folkways) fun yiddishe kinder-lider.  Vet men mir shikn, vel
ikh kenen legn af tashme. (Zingn ken ikh gor nishkoshe.)
 
Shoyn bald a plan?
 
	Refoyl
 
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Digest-Message: 04/3
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 88 21:06:49 EST
From: linus!haddock!trb (Andrew Tannenbaum)
Subject: Re: Ashkenazic Jewish Culture
 
Funny story from today's Yiddish class:
 
We're doing parts of the body and our teacher explains that a Yiddish
word for small intestine (beside kishke) is mog'n.  One of the students
then asks if that's like "Mogen David."  Yes.  David's Intestines.
They were in the shape of intersecting triangles.
 
[Actually, according to the dictionary, boich is belly, mog'n is
stomache and kishke is intestine, but this is the way the discussion
went in class. -Andy]
 
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Digest-Message: 04/4
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 88 11:09:08 est
From: linus!xait!harvard!husc8!radzinsk (Daniel Radzinski)
Subject: yiddish mailing list earns a mitzvah; daily Yiddish newspapers
 
My father is a native speaker of Yiddish, 78 years old, blind, and suffers from
Parkinson's disease. He came here on a visit from Israel for Thanksgiving and
has ended up hospitalized for a urine retention problem. In the hospital, I
read to him issues 2 and 3 of the Yiddish Mailing List. You cannot imagine what
joy that was for him!!! He was very interested in the actual contents of the 
issues and this undoubtedly distracted him very much from his other problems.
I guess you can get an earned-assist-mitzvah for your work on compiling these
issues.
 
As to your long letter on Ashkenazic Jewish Culture, which appeared in the
third issue, I have a brief comment: I am not certain that "the days of daily
Yiddish papers are gone." To the best of my knowledge, "Letzte Nayes" is still
published daily in Israel (maybe there is also a daily in the USSR, I don't
know). Obviously, your claim was limited to North American publications. But, I
believe that if one REALLY wants the paper, s/he can get a daily subscription
of "Letzte Nayes" (with the obvious concomitant postal delay of a week or so +
high price). My father had one for many years when we lived in Peru. I don't 
see why that cannot take place these days.
 
Hag Urim Sameah
 
Daniel Radzinski
 
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626.3I'll bet my experiences are not unusual:ULTRA::OFSEVITDavid OfsevitFri Jan 20 1989 19:4918
    	My parents (born 1911 and 1912 in New York) both grew up in
    households where Yiddish was the first language.  My father gave his
    Bar Mitzvah oration in Yiddish, I'm told.  I can remember my
    mother's father reading the Forwards as late as the 1950s.  

    	My paretns were still speaking Yiddish in the 1950s when my sister
    and I were little, mostly in situations when they didn't want us to
    know what they were saying. :-)  However, English was clearly their
    primary language as they grew up, and our generation never had the
    chance to learn Yiddish.  I know mostly a few odd curses and phrases,
    but not enough to converse with anybody.  I miss the sound of it.

    re .2

    	Martin, if you get this newsletter regularly, would you mind
    posting it here?  

    		David
626.4Lovely!ULYSSE::LEHKYI'm phlegmatic, and that's coolTue Jan 24 1989 18:0922
626.5Beth Elohim in Acton has adult ed. courseDLNVAX::HABERkudos to working mothers of toddlersTue Feb 07 1989 18:105
    Cong. Beth Elohim is giving a course in Yiddish -- call them for
    more information (263-3061, in Acton, MA)

    
    sandy
626.6I believe the account of Yiddish's death is prematureDPDMAI::POPIKNOMADTue Feb 07 1989 19:596
    The Joys of Jewish Learning series in Dallas usually runs 1 or 2
    Yiddish classes.
    Yiddish is NOT a dead language. I know many people who speak and
    write in it, and there are still people writing stories and I believe
    plays in Yiddish. By any reasoning I know this means it is alive(not
    necessarily well).
626.7Yiddish LibraryCRUISE::SPEARLTue Feb 14 1989 15:227
    There is a Yiddish library in Northampton MA.  I think it is on
    the campus of Smith college.  Old Yiddish text were rescued from
    all over the world and reabilitated.  The library circulates the
    books. I am sorry but I don't know any more specifics about the
    library.
    
    Simms
626.8Spoken with a drawlTHALO::GELBERFri Mar 03 1989 14:574
    You don't have to go as far as Vienna.  Come on down to Charlotte,
    North Carolina.  We have a Yiddish class at our Jewish Center.
    
    Edie
626.9Purim celebration ideas?CADSYS::RICHARDSONFri Mar 03 1989 15:296
    Are any of you folks feeling creative??  Paul and I just realized that
    our wedding anniversary (calculated according to the secular date;
    that's the way we normally do these things) falls on Purim this year!
    Do any of you creative noters have any fun ideas for how to celebrate?
    
    /Charlotte