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Conference taveng::bagels

Title:BAGELS and other things of Jewish interest
Notice:1.0 policy, 280.0 directory, 32.0 registration
Moderator:SMURF::FENSTER
Created:Mon Feb 03 1986
Last Modified:Thu Jun 05 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1524
Total number of notes:18709

1053.0. "Baptists for Judaism?" by CPDW::SEIDMAN (Aaron Seidman) Fri Mar 22 1991 03:50

    Well, I've heard a fair amount about "Jews for Jesus" and "Messianic
    Jews," but the Wall Street Journal had a story this week about a group
    that I guess would be called "Baptists for Judaism."  It's about a
    church group that refers to itself as "B'nai Noah" (because they try to
    follow the Noahide laws).

    					Aaron
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1053.1More info...?KAOFS::J_MORRISMon Mar 25 1991 19:124
    Now that you've whetted our appetite -- any chance of posting parts of
    this intriguing article?
    
    John
1053.2SQGUK::LEVYThe BloodhoundMon Mar 25 1991 21:157
    I wonder if they might hpld similar beliefs to the Seventh Day
    Adventists? 
    
    It's quite funny, here in Reading I often see them all dressed up 
    leaving Church as I walk home from Shul! 
    
    Malcolm
1053.3A little more infoCPDW::SEIDMANAaron SeidmanTue Mar 26 1991 03:2425
    The article was fairly long, and I didn't have the time to type it in,
    but I thought it was worth mentioning.  If I have time, I'll do a more
    comprehensive summary (or perhaps someone else will).  I don't have the
    article in front of me, but I think this is reasonably accurate:
    
    As I understand it, the minister of the church came to the conclusion
    that much of current Christian practice is actually pagan, and he
    wanted to get back to basics.  He persuaded some of the congregation to
    eliminate some of the things that he considered pagan symbols, such as
    the church steeple.  He also arranged for an Orthodox rabbi to give
    lessons on Jewish belief and practice.  They consider themselves
    Christian (i.e. they are not, apparently, interested in converting) but
    want to be Gerim Toshvim--rightous Gentiles.  This was a practice that
    was fairly widespread in Second Temple times, and disappeared with the
    advent of Christianity.  Jewish tradition holds that Jews are obligated
    to follow all the commandments in the Torah, but Gentiles are obligated
    only to follow those instructions given to Noah.
    
    Not everyone followed his lead, and the church is considerably smaller
    than when this all started.  Quotes attributed to people from other
    churches give the impression that this group is regared by their
    neighbors somewhat the same way that Jews for Jesus is looked upon by
    Jews.
    
    						Aaron
1053.4seeking a particular book...VMSMKT::PULKSTENISPsalms 93:4Thu May 09 1991 15:4111
    
    I don't know anything about this particular group - in fact, have
    never heard of them, but this seemed like a good place to ask
    about a book I'm looking for.
    
    Does anyone know the publisher of "The Way of the Righteous Gentile"
    or where I can get the book? [Mass./N.H. area]
    
    Thanks,
    Irena
    
1053.5NOTIME::SACKSGerald Sacks ZKO2-3/N30 DTN:381-2085Thu May 09 1991 21:406
re .4:

Have you tried looking it up in "Books in Print"?  Any bookstore or library
should have a copy.  If it's a Jewish publisher, the Israel Book Shop in
Brookline can probably order it for you.  If it's a Christian publisher,
I'm sure a Christian bookstore can get it.
1053.6don't think it's a Christian bookVMSMKT::PULKSTENISPsalms 93:4Fri May 10 1991 00:0610
    re -1
    
    Thanks. I haven't had success finding it through Christian
    book stores. I don't think it's a Christian book.
    
    A number for the Israel Book Shop in Brookline would be appreciated, 
    if you have it handy.
    
    Irena
    
1053.7ISB(617)566-7113GRANPA::AFRYDMANFri May 10 1991 01:321
    
1053.8Summmarize book???KAOFS::J_MORRISFri May 10 1991 18:116
    Irena,
    
    Once you acquire this book, and if you find it interesting, perhaps you
    could share some of its conclusions?
    
    J.
1053.9possiblyVMSMKT::PULKSTENISPsalms 93:4Tue May 14 1991 00:2210
    
    J.,
    
    Well, now, I'll consider that, depending on its conclusions and
    this little matter called "time". :^)
    
    Thanks for the telephone number a couple replies back...
    
    Irena