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Title:Celt Notefile
Moderator:TALLIS::DARCY
Created:Wed Feb 19 1986
Last Modified:Tue Jun 03 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1632
Total number of notes:20523

1142.0. "Stance of U.S. Presidential candidates on Irish-American issues" by EPIK::HOLOHAN () Fri Oct 16 1992 11:47

   I'd like to open this topic up for a discussion of
   the philosophy and positions of the U.S. presidential
   candidates regarding issues of concern to the
   Irish_American community.

                   Mark
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1142.1Bill ClintonEPIK::HOLOHANFri Oct 16 1992 11:5851
  My wife and I have just received a response from
  Bill Clinton's campaign headquarters asking for
  his postition on Irish_American issues.

  The letter explained how Bill Clinton has addressed
  these issues and expressed his views on several
  occasions.  It also included a copy of recent articles
  from the Irish voice concerning Bill Clinton's public
  statements on Irish issues.

  I'll summarize them below:

  On Immigration:
    Irish Immigrants and other immigrants did a lot to build
  this country.  I've been a friend of Bruce Morrison's
  for twenty years since I went to law school with him.
  I like the so-called Morrison visa program which so 
  greatly helped the Irish, and I would support such measures
  at any opportunity.

  On a U.S. peace envoy:
    I would support a peace envoy.  We've been a little
  reluctant to relay our interests in a positive way
  because of two reasons:  Our long standing relationship
  with Great Britain and also the perception that this
  situation in Northern Ireland is a very thorny problem.

  On Visa Denial:
    I would support a visa for Gerry Adams or any other
  elected official from a government recognized by the
  United States.  I honestly think it would be totally
  harmless to let him in.

  On MacBride Principles:
    I like the Principles very much, I think they are a
  good thing and if I were President I would ask all state
  governors to take a look at adopting them.

  Joe Doherty type Cases:
    If a Joe Doherty type case were to arise in the future
  I would let the courts decide.  If a court ruled in
  favor of a political asylum hearing for Doherty and I 
  were President, I would support that ruling.

  Human Rights Abuses:
    I would focus on the works of Amnesty International
  and Helsinki Watch in highlighting the abuses perpetrated
  by the security forces, as well as other forces, other
  purveyors of death and killing there.

1142.2Don't Vote BushTALLIS::DARCYFri Oct 16 1992 13:2721
    I'm not sure about Perot - but I believe Clinton
    would be much more concerned about Irish American
    affairs.  Clinton is of part Irish ancestry.
    
    The Bush administration has bent over backwards to
    the British in extraditing anyone the British have
    blackballed, circumventing the courts and the asylum
    process (remember good ol Dick Thornburg from Penn?).
    Our asylum process applies to anyone in the world,
    except if your from Ireland.
    
    Bush and his lackies have also not supported any MacBride
    legislation.  Our navy supplied the British fleet with
    everything from toilet paper to ammunition during the
    Falklands/Malvinas War.  We in turn used British bases
    to attack the great nemisis Libya, all of 3 million strong.
    Bush/Reagan were great bedfellows with those on 10 Downing
    Street.
    
    In any case, don't vote Bush if you care for Irish American
    interests.
1142.3More on extraditionTALLIS::DARCYFri Oct 16 1992 15:108
1142.4Ross Perot for Mayor of BelfastBODACH::WOFARRELLMon Oct 19 1992 11:054
It was great to see one American Presidential candidate not 
pander to a certain section of Irish-America: namely Ross Perot 
when in the first Presidential debate he said "If there's hatred 
in your heart, I don't want your vote"
1142.5Then we'd have atleast one good REPUBLICAN in the White House ...ACTGSF::BURNSMon Oct 19 1992 17:248
    
    
    The big mistake Ross made was not making Culbert his VP !!    :-)
    
    
    
    
    
1142.6SUPER::DENISEi wish i were on the N17....Tue Oct 20 1992 11:592
    
    	hear! hear!!
1142.7DELNI::CULBERTFree Michael CulbertWed Oct 21 1992 12:2730
    
    and when Ross kicks the bucket and I assume my official duties as Prez
    of this great republic one of the first things I'll do is right size
    the gov't.  It'll be easy to do. Anyone without proof of Irish heritage
    will be out on the street.  Of course I'll let them build rail roads,
    canals and the like. 8*)  
    
    Then I would break all official ties with all foreign nations except
    Ireland.  I'd throw out the Kennedy induced welfare system and increase
    the defense budget by 50%.  I'd then take over a few countries that are
    rich in some of that oily stuff, white beaches, and good food.  I
    would then de"clare" the official drink to be guinness.  
    
    After doing that, on my second day in office I would make a visit to
    the UN and tell them to move the headquarters to Lowell Ma.(the Wang
    Towers) cuz Lowell needs the money.  I'd then make the Hynes' my
    official summer retreat.
    
    On the third day I'd make my first state visit.  Belfast of course. 
    Where I would take a well deserved rest and enjoy the company of some of 
    the most beautiful people in the world.  I'd then go down to Dublin
    where some of the smartest people in the world reside and have a few
    more pints.  I'd then go to Clare for some visits and Galway of course.
    
    When I get back I'd take a well deserved rest and have a big party. 
    After I finished all that I'd just hang around and let my vice prez run
    things.  She would enjoy that I'm sure.  8*).......
    
    
    paddy
1142.8SUPER::DENISEi wish i were on the N17....Thu Oct 22 1992 11:364
    
    	mind telling me who the lucky *mate* is????
    
    	might as well vote for perot, then!
1142.9DELNI::CULBERTFree Michael CulbertThu Oct 22 1992 12:404
    
    I haven't declared a VP yet.  Hell I ain't even in the white house yet.
    
    
1142.10SUPER::DENISEi wish i were on the N17....Thu Oct 22 1992 12:544
    
    	but you DO know its a SHE, right?
    
    	it takes a good woman to keep YOU on the straight and narrow!
1142.11DELNI::CULBERTFree Michael CulbertThu Oct 22 1992 13:595
    
    Well I can't disagree now can I.....
    
    I think it's about time we had a woman for VP.  At least then the Prez
    would get good meals and someone to clean up after.  8*))).
1142.12all of the aboveLJOHUB::HORGANCraicailte indiadh damhsaThu Oct 22 1992 16:3015
    
    Bush say the election is about trust.  Which of the following would
    you trust Bush to do if elected to a second term?
    
    a.  Never to raise taxes again.  Ever.  Ever.
    b.  To select only the best-qualified Americans for important jobs
    	such as the Vice Presidency and the US Supreme Court.
    c.  Not to throw up on heads of state while visiting other nations.
    
    
    
    
    
    from the Milwaukee Journal 10/1/92
    
1142.13Or was it "No new Texas"HILL16::BURNSThu Oct 22 1992 18:307
    
    
    What he really said was "Know New Taxes" 
    
    
    
    
1142.14EARRTH::ROBERTSToolmakerThu Oct 22 1992 18:513
    
    Clintons gonna raise some too.  There's not much hope for the next
    four years.
1142.15paddy is a big putzSUPER::DENISEi wish i were on the N17....Thu Oct 22 1992 19:468
    
    	::BURNS, 
    	we can't even depend on you to get it right the first time around.
    	(hint: title was right)
    
    	paddy,
    	if ya want someone to clean up after you, you're much too late...
    	hazel passed away a few days ago.
1142.16EPIK::HOLOHANWed Nov 04 1992 16:108
  Well, looks like for the second time in U.S. history
  we've thrown off the yoke of King George.  Unfortunately
  this won't do Joseph Doherty any good now, but at least
  there might be some hope for the other brave men that
  the British government would like to get their hand on.
                    Mark

1142.17King for a day maybeTALLIS::DARCYWed Nov 04 1992 17:314
    Maybe we can get rid of the special extradition treaty
    with Britain, now that Maggie and Georgie are history. TG.
    By the way, I think it's a disservice to King George III
    to put him in the same sentence as George Bush.
1142.18SUPER::DENISEi wish i were on the N17....Tue Nov 10 1992 13:513
    
    	....i heard that mayor flynn wouldn't mind being part of that.
    	getting an embassadorship or something.
1142.19Stone walls and the grass is green ....HILL16::BURNSThu Nov 12 1992 11:168
    
    
    	DENISE: Looks like it's just you and me in here for a while till
                others figure out that TALLIS has moved ...    :-)
    
    
    	keVin
    
1142.20tewksbury bound.... part timeSUPER::DENISEi wish i were on the N17....Thu Nov 12 1992 12:565
    
    	oh gawd no! 
    	people will talk!
    
    	did TALLIS go to tewksbury, too?
1142.21Have you heard the new Saw Doctors tape yet ??ACTGSF::BURNSThu Nov 12 1992 13:209
    
    	I thought TALLIS was moving to Taylor Street (TAY) ...
    
    	Has anyone told the moderator yet ??   :-)
    
    
    
    keVin
    
1142.22as for the system....i was just venturing a guessSUPER::DENISEi wish i were on the N17....Thu Nov 12 1992 17:137
    
    	nope, not yet....still haven't gotten my fill of the first.
    	as a matter of fact i'm listening to it right now....`oh what a
    	day'
    	i figure i'll pick it up when i'm in england in december.
    
    	do you have it and is so, where'd you pick it up?
1142.23CSLALL::KSULLIVANThu Nov 12 1992 18:492
    ....cat's back.....