[Search for users] [Overall Top Noters] [List of all Conferences] [Download this site]

Conference ssdevo::hsz40_product

Title:HSZ40 Product Conference
Moderator:SSDEVO::EDMONDS
Created:Mon Apr 11 1994
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:902
Total number of notes:3319

865.0. "HSZ50 and 9,1GB disks" by NNTPD::"aumayrw@mail.dec.com" (Werner Aumayr) Wed May 07 1997 08:22

Just want to know if the following configuration is possible:
             +------------+
HSZ50 -----> |  BA35X-MG  |  B
             +------------+  A
             |            |  3 
             |DS-RZ1DB-VW |  5
             |            |  6
             +------------+
             |            |

In other words can I use the 9,1GB UW-SCSI disk on an 8-bit bus ?
Does HSZ50 recognize the disk as RZ40?

Customer does not want for investment-protection (future controller options,
fibre channel)
narrow disks (RZ40-VA)

[Posted by WWW Notes gateway]
T.RTitleUserPersonal
Name
DateLines
865.1KERNEL::LOANEComfortably numb!!Wed May 07 1997 13:551
    I  don't  believe UltraSCSI disks are supported in `regular' BA356's.
865.2Au Contraire...SSAG::LARYteach 10,000 stars how not to danceThu May 08 1997 05:4748
UltraSCSI disks are indeed supported in old green BA356 shelves - with a
couple of restrictions, though.

Restriction #1 - do NOT connect the shelf to an UltraSCSI adapter - without a
new UltraSCSI personality card you will be exceeding the "speed limit" for
the physical cabling if the adapter and drive try to talk at 20 Mhz. If you
want to run your UltraSCSI disk at UltraSCSI speed you must upgrade to a new
(top-gun blue colored) BA356 shelf with a new (top-gun blue colored) power
supply and a new (same color as before, but smaller connectors) personality
module. 

restriction #1a - do NOT put a new personality module in the old BA356 shelf
and think that solves the problem above - the new personality module draws +5V
power (the old ones were passive) and this can cause too much of a drop on the
+5V of the old green power supplies (most drive power is +12V, but some is
+5V). Get a new, blue, shelf. 

restriction #2 - and I hope this is temporary, we are still testing - do not
put an UltraSCSI disk in the same green BA356 shelf as a 5.25" SBB. The reason
is given below. You will be able to mix UltraSCSI disks and 5.25" SBB's in
the new BA356 shelves. 

I should remind you, at this point, that the UltraSCSI products have not been
announced or shipped yet, so its inappropriate to discuss them in this open
notes file. I am placing a pointer to a draft copy of the UltraSCSI
Configuration Guide in the STORAGE_PRESENTERS notesfile - this is still a draft
(it went out for review today, and of course we are going to wait on the tests
mentioned in restriction #2 before finalizing it) but it is pretty detailed and
(I hope) accurate.


Now, the reason for restriction #2:

Some devices in 5.25" SBB's cause degradation of the electrical environment on
the SCSI bus. This is due to them having too much capacitance (a spec
violation, but they get away with it because - well, its SCSI) and being on a
longer than usual stub (the folded gray cable inside 5.25" SBBs - we also
played a bit fast and loose with the spec here, because - well, its SCSI).
UltraSCSI drives do less noise filtering than Fast SCSI drives - because the
signals are higher frequency, and filtering distorts the signals too much - and
some of them are more sensitive to this kind of stuff. Specifically, UltraSCSI
disks from one of our vendors were showing up sensitive to this, and getting
errors on the bus; even an occasional data corruption. The vendor has
implemented a fix and all RZ1xx products are shipping with that fix, but we
haven't done enough testing to convince ourself that the fix works - it very
well could NOT work in all cases. So until we complete the testing (mid-late
May), this restriction is in force. 
								Richie
865.3And upgrade your software for larger drivesSSDEVO::RMCLEANThu May 08 1997 13:594
Restriction #3

If you are going to use any drives greater than 8GB or so you had better run
V3.1/V5.1 HSOF software.  Anything else for 9GB drives is not supported.
865.4DS-RZ1DB-VW 9.1GB UW-SCSI availableNNTPD::"aumayrw@mail.dec.com"Werner AumayrFri May 09 1997 04:533
According to our Prizing System here in Austria the DS-RZ1DB-VW
(9,1 GB UW_SCSI) is set active since April 97!
[Posted by WWW Notes gateway]